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T:2401 01:34 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:10055 01:40 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2049 points, T:2579, killed by a bolt of fire 01:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2564 01:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:10338 02:02 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:10917 02:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 24820 points, T:5355, killed by a phase spider 02:36 -!- Heliokopis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:47 [hdf-us] 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05:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Cerberus, on T:17237 05:28 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17717 05:33 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (gnomish wizards), on T:22566 05:37 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:38 gnomish wizard shopkeeper with a scroll of genocide 05:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 0 points, T:9, killed by a grid bug 05:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 0 points, T:62, killed by a jackal, while praying 05:42 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:43 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 05:44 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 651 points, T:1801, killed by a gecko, while praying 05:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 premium heart", on T:20102 05:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 0 points, T:17, killed by a goblin 05:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 8 points, T:52, killed by a fox, while praying 05:51 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 05:53 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had a long sword named Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:12151 05:56 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 21939 points, T:12541, killed by a blue jelly 06:01 why do peaceful unicorns avoid you some of the time but seem to seek you out at other times? 06:04 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 06:05 are you invisible? 06:05 because they avoid when you're visible 06:05 no, not invisible 06:06 maybe unicorns think other races are ugly and that's why they're fine with us when invisible 06:06 aaah... 06:06 I have a ring of invis, will try that 06:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4723 06:20 thx amateurhour, invis works. aaand of course I should have read the wiki more carefully: "Unicorns cannot see invisible; once you obtain invisibility, you will have a much easier time lining them up for attacks or gems." 06:22 And dying. 06:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 28078 points, T:7016, killed by a serpent-necked lioness 06:27 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 06:27 Oh, that's where you all went 06:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 33 points, T:483, killed by a system shock 06:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Hlf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7498 06:35 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 06:37 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Pir Mer Fem Neu), 202 points, T:619, killed by an invisible coyote 06:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 166 points, T:1174, killed by a jackal 06:40 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43 !coffee 06:43 * Beholder pours nabru a mug of espresso, prayed over by FCCBot at 9 Kelvin. 06:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 godhands", on T:8694 06:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 567 points, T:2338, killed by an imp 07:00 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) was given the Armor of Khazad-dum, on T:12218 07:10 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Pri Hum Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:3579 07:10 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3595 07:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3367 07:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3417 07:16 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 2282 points, T:3794, killed by an ape 07:21 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 07:23 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed the eye of the aethiopica", on T:4040 07:26 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:26 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:36 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5469 07:36 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 9784 points, T:5476, killed by a soldier ant 07:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:22658 08:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:541 08:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:25461 08:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the Nightmare, on T:25516 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1226 08:15 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:26335 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2056 08:19 @?housecat 08:19 housecat (f) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 08:19 @?large cat 08:19 large cat (f) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 08:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:26801 08:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:26941 08:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5923 points, T:3762, killed by a pony 08:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Garland, on T:28304 08:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:32 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Alc Mal Cha), 34656 points, T:4865, killed by a monster (Yacc) 08:33 amateurhour: you need to use a bison to defeat Yacc 08:33 next time I'll flex on them with an awesome weapon 08:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) destroyed Chaos, on T:28353 08:34 I wonder if I stumbled upon some nasty bones 08:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 8849 points, T:5522, killed by a rothe 08:36 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47 yeah Yacc is one of the demon lords or something 08:47 someone must've tried to convert and altar 08:47 I don't hold with all this lex in the game 08:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) wished for "Godhands", on T:6007 08:49 @?shopkeeper 08:49 shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 08:49 @?aligned priest 08:49 aligned priest (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: shock | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 4d10 weapon physical, 1d4 kick physical, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 08:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:30865 09:00 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 09:01 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Alc Mal Cha), 21804 points, T:726, killed by a blast of frost 09:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:16948 09:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5792 points, T:5400, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 09:22 hi hi 09:22 hi 09:22 Hello nabru, Welcome to #hardfought 09:23 Hello K2, Welcometo #hardfought 09:23 damn, typo 09:24 :P 09:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Axus, on T:31978 09:25 [hdf-us] [nh4] Moxie (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 42042 points, T:7738, killed by an invisible hill orc 09:25 that was pitiful. 09:25 perhaps you need more than just pure moxie to take on hill orcs 09:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Oona, on T:32623 09:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 2206 points, T:2279, killed by a horned devil, while praying 09:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3413 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyra (Kni Hum Fem Law), 290 points, T:778, killed by a small mimic 09:36 amateurhour: that's the pitiful part. I was already Skilled in dagger, had a "oR, a BoH and plenty of maxHP 09:36 i Just... did dumb things. 09:37 easy to do 09:37 maybe I should start naming my characters "Frightened Pipsqueak" 09:37 maybe then I'll be able to channel the correct level of caution. 09:37 XD 09:38 "That name is too long." >_< 09:38 rip 09:38 'ascendent' 09:38 bcuz this time you got it 09:39 lol 09:39 all evidence to the contrary 09:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:33413 09:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5178 09:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 8138 points, T:3202, killed by a little dog zombie 09:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:5709 09:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an Aleax, on T:6057 09:54 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1154 points, T:1578, killed by a giant beetle 09:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:34642 09:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:5597 10:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7628 points, T:6859, killed by a mumak, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:03 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 3862 points, T:7498, killed by a hill orc 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "foo", on T:4235 10:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the invisible Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:36466 10:09 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 10:14 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:18886 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 976 points, T:1004, killed by a dwarf, while praying 10:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 2689 points, T:1814, killed by an enormous rat zombie 10:18 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1337 points, T:1881, killed by an elven wererat called asshole 10:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 174 points, T:1209, killed by a sewer rat 10:21 -!- Zackxs has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13643 10:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2688 10:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:3193 10:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 lance of longinus", on T:3397 10:37 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic whistle", on T:49207 10:41 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Ruggo the Gnome High King, on T:4908 10:42 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 11:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:05 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 11:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:39556 11:10 -!- entrez has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Croesus, on T:40370 11:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 14930 points, T:7294, killed by a horned devil 11:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Medusa, on T:41436 11:30 hi 11:30 Hello NAOrsa, Welcome to #hardfought 11:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2858 11:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 lance of longinus", on T:3256 11:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:3584 11:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 7461 points, T:4690, killed by a gremlin 11:52 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Alc Mal Cha), 13544 points, T:3266, quit 11:55 !lastgame amateurhour 11:55 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1589035969.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1594998493.slex.txt 11:56 huh, why the quit? things seemed to be going alright 11:57 started a soko puzzle and messed up, and figured that as I'd lost a lot of stuff to a bag I assumed was holding I'd just give up and start reading about other races 11:57 because I realised sokosolver could be a hybrid race only recently 11:57 so I'm trying to find ones that make things a little easier 11:57 alchemist seems reasonable, not seen any other candidates yet 11:58 any advice? 11:59 @?black pudding 11:59 black pudding (P) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 3d8 bite corrosion, 0d0 passive corrosion | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless 12:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the Great High Shaman of Kurtulmak, on T:5184 12:00 oh that was an alchemist+sokosolver hybrid? 12:01 well, not sure which race would be "best", but races that are generally considered easy include angel, redguard or doppelganger 12:02 yeah alc+sok 12:03 you can also have several hybrid races at once, although that most probably won't make things any easier ;) except maybe something like specialist, so you only get 50% sokoban levels and 50% random special levels 12:03 I quite like the soko puzzles 12:03 what counts as special levels? 12:04 things like the mines? 12:04 because those can be rather horrid as a sokosolver 12:04 basically everything that is defined in a .des file, so mines levels, demon lairs, the various levels from quests etc. etc. of course they're adjusted such that there are no demon lords or other pre-placed bosses on those :D 12:05 oh and of course stuff like bigrooms, medusa lairs etc. are also in the mix 12:05 btw is it meant to be that every sacrifice on cross-aligned altar summons demon lord? 12:06 uhh no? what did you sacrifice? maybe it was a human corpse 12:06 or was I somehow unlucky in going 5 for 5 12:06 sorry brain fart, I meant having them being hostile 12:07 well they can still be summoned hostile even if you're chaotic (but can be peaceful if you get lucky) 12:07 this is so you can't just easily summon all the demon lords as a chaotic and then not encounter them in Gehennom anymore :P 12:07 someone left bones with hostile Yacc that killed me earlier 12:07 that was in mines' end 12:08 ugh, sounds nasty 12:08 mines end seems like a weird place for that, unless it was the khorminesend by any chance (the ones with all the orcs and Moloch temples) 12:08 it was that one, yeah 12:08 probably did same race sacrifice to try convert an altar 12:08 ah, yeah then it was probably someone screwing around with the altars and summoning him 12:08 maybe it became double bones now? 12:08 I hope not 12:09 because that's really nasty 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:51255 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51257 12:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2826 points, T:1943, killed by a tiger 12:11 doppelganger doesn't have those downsides in regular slashem does it? 12:12 no, I added them in slex 12:12 are starting stats generally much lower, or is that part of being a sokosolver? 12:12 sorry for the barrage of questions by the way 12:13 hahaha no need to apologize, I love answering them ♥ (unironically, I'm glad that you're showing genuine interest in slex, it makes me very happy! ♥) 12:13 slex starting stats are generally lower, yes; I don't remember whether sokosolvers get any particular malus, but I can check 12:14 I've been starting most games with 4 cha and around 8s in most stats 12:14 apparently sokosolvers don't get a malus 12:14 then there'll be one good one like wisdom at 15 or so 12:14 could just be rng 12:14 but 4 cha kinda blows 12:15 yeah the # of starting stat points that the RNG will distribute is indeed lower than in vanilla, so having one stat especially low is not that uncommon 12:15 the good thing is that charisma doesn't do all that much unless you use pets or symbiotes (well, it gives slightly worse deals in shops) 12:15 hugely worse when there's no money available :P 12:16 yeah sorry about that, it's mitigated in the next version, but that one isn't ready for release yet because I have basically zero free time that I could use to work on slex 12:16 tomorrow is my only free day of the entire month, I have shifts on literally every other day 12:17 my guess is that my employers are trying to catch up for all the tours that got cancelled during the unnecessary lockdown, meaning there's especially many tours right now 12:17 git commit -a && git push --force && msg K2 "#shipit" 12:17 I can imagine things being pretty wild yeah 12:18 but I'm glad that I can go to work at all 12:18 and in between shifts I can enjoy a nice meal in some restaurant on occasion :) 12:19 -!- bugsniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:19 most of my friends were furloughed so they enjoyed a nice break, but I've been working from home 12:19 this was today: https://abload.de/img/20200717_13043259kel.jpg :D 12:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4289 12:20 <{Demo}4> kfc is harmful 12:20 I was expecting a pair of shoes 12:20 that's a picture of 4000 calories 12:20 maybe more heh 12:21 heh, I ate all that in one sitting and will probably be oversatiated for the rest of the day ;) 12:21 just wear more rings 12:21 and you will burn through it faster :D 12:21 but mmmmmmmmm, a whole box full of fries! ♥♥♥ 12:21 * LarienTelrunya loves KFC <3 12:21 * nabru gives LarienTelrunya a ring of hunger 12:21 hahaha 12:22 at least it's not a ring of conflict, wearing that on the train could get... messy ;) 12:22 heh 12:22 :D 12:22 popcorn chicken, right? 12:24 cast spells 12:24 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:24 see what i did there? 12:24 implied you dont have hungerless casting :P 12:24 or just use the toilet 12:24 carry some boulders! 12:25 lol 12:25 K2: you are right, I'm a chaotic rogue, those still need nutrition when casting spells ;) 12:25 :P 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3548 points, T:4438, killed by a giant mosquito 12:28 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Acu Dwa Mal Law), 443 points, T:650, killed by shredding of the soul 12:29 what in the unholy hell is this soko puzzle I've landed in 12:29 !whereis amateurhour 12:29 nabru: [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slex]: (Mon Ang Mal Cha) T:296 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3 12:29 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:29 hahaha :D it's the full-screen sokoban level! 12:29 and there's even a throne, if you sit on that you might get lucky and have something good happen, e.g. a skill unlock 12:29 jesus 12:30 also there's quite a bit more boulders than there are holes, so you can afford to waste a couple 12:30 IIRC it's something like 150 holes and 200 boulders (not sure on the exact numbers, but somewhere along those values) 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] nabru (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 206 points, T:104, killed by a water moccasin 12:31 * amateurhour retracts earlier statement about liking the new sokoban puzzles 12:31 lol 12:31 this is going to take forever, but I'll do it probs 12:31 well, try to do it 12:31 heh yeah, when I get that level it usually takes me 10k+ turns and several food rations to complete 12:32 I think I'll have to fall down and go up from here to solve it 12:32 is that a lich to the southeast of you? 12:32 the yellow-highlighted L? 12:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] nabru (Bin Dwa Fem Non), 6 points, T:91, killed by a jackal 12:32 yes 12:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:32 well of that class, it's a 'little corpse' 12:33 there's a lot of low level liches though so that's not unexpected? 12:33 yeah 12:33 would be more dangerous if it was a high-level one (they occasionally spawn out of depth) 12:34 I started as an angel so should have MR 12:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:35 yeah, intrinsically, as long as you don't let your alignment record go negative (if you do, all positive intrinsics and extrinsics are deactivated until your alignment record becomes positive again) 12:36 just trying to figure out how to get to a hole to fall :/ 12:36 hoping this isn't impossible because of where I fell 12:36 because it's looking pretty bad 12:36 well I fear that you'll have to squeeze at least once, because of the bad position of that door 12:37 the player is supposed to be entering that area from the other side 12:37 but, it's just a -1 luck penalty that will time out ;) 12:37 yeah, just another way slex screws you over :P 12:37 -!- cebolla has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37 that's my biggest complaint with sokosolver, as I'd mentioned before 12:38 well yeah it's one of the things the sokosolver has to deal with 12:38 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 12:39 there's a prisoner on the floor too? 12:40 You feel that you must free someone who's being held captive. 12:40 apparently? those little differently-colored rooms are random special rooms 12:40 that white room near the downstair, that one has an altar; the prisoner could be on that 12:41 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 12:43 uh 12:43 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:43 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43 he's not noticing me 12:43 #chat does nothing? 12:44 maybe he's still asleep 12:44 I kicked the wall to try wake them up 12:44 and again 12:44 maybe if you move away and back next to him again? 12:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:44 You have a limited amount of time to save the prisoner or else he gets killed. 12:44 what 12:45 heh, just a level sound saying that there is a prison; it appears regardless of whether the prisoner is still imprisoned, freed, or dead 12:45 oh thank goodness 12:45 I hope they're innocent 12:45 lol 12:45 and there is actually no limited amount of time; you can take as long as you want to without him dying ;) 12:45 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46 well the ogres wanted to sacrifice him to Lord Surtur, but the "timer until they do" part is not implemented in slex 12:46 guess the game where that idea is from :D 12:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed helping hand", on T:47386 12:47 -!- Zackxs has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:47 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 12:47 Detective Barbie, The Mystery Cruise? 12:48 [hdf-us] [gh] Snuff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a water moccasin 12:48 uhh no, I never heard of that 12:49 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 12:50 what's the real answer? 12:51 Castle of the Winds 12:51 that game was basically my child- and early-adult-hood, and many of slex's things (including a bunch of nasty traps, like the one that made the screen glitch out and the one that says Low Local Memory) are inspired by it 12:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58 [hdf-us] [gh] Snuff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 366 points, T:841, killed by a dwarf 13:01 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 548 points, T:1035, killed by a hobbit 13:02 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 13:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19328 13:08 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:08 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:10 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4048 13:13 -!- sebastia1toby has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:13 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:4383 13:18 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 13:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the invisible Graz'zt, on T:51226 13:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:20126 13:21 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:25 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5572 13:26 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5662 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:2005 13:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:20152 13:29 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5938 13:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:20189 13:30 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 13:30 Amy think there's a string formatting issu 13:31 unless this is intentional somehow 13:31 uhh that might be a leftover from an old bug, where highscore list entries were formatted badly 13:31 there was an undead 'amateurhou' and now there's this one 13:31 -!- entrez has quit [Client Quit] 13:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Mal Law), 11938 points, T:7814, killed by a fire elemental 13:32 I wonder what it would say if I died to this, heh 13:32 the maximum length for strings is very long; this one is still perfectly inside the regular bounds :) sure, it looks wrong, but it won't crash 13:33 "killed by an Amateurhourkilled by a monster (taxidermist militantly brethre" 13:33 if you farlook it, it'll probably be something like "undead monk named amateourhourkilledbytaxidermist-something" 13:33 looks like it 13:33 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 6871 points, T:6212, killed by a giant praying mantis 13:34 I wonder why one of them is truncated 13:34 probably because that char died from before the bugfix 13:35 "amateurhour" is more than 10 characters long; before the bugfix, any highscore list entry of a character with a longer name would get glitchy 13:35 both from the same bug? 13:35 some of those entries were so glitchy that they caused the game to crash under certain conditions, but the server administrator removed those entries :) 13:36 the one named "amateurhou" is working as intended, because the bugfix properly truncates them to 10 chars again 13:38 -!- Zackxs has joined #hardfought 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide t-shirt of telepathy", on T:52020 13:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:27914 13:44 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the invisible Mammon, on T:53388 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3635 13:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Nodonn (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the creature in the ice, on T:54054 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:4374 13:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Dnb-Nob Dwa Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2118 14:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:05 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Cha) killed the flame mage of Tia Bru, the former Igniter, on T:4228 14:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:07 accidentally fell through the floor below, but have to solve that puzzle to go back 14:07 ...but this soko puzzle features rolling boulder traps 14:07 why 14:07 hahaha :D 14:07 I was doing so well on the big one 14:07 :( 14:08 [hdf-us] [gh] Snuff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3996 14:08 well, the part that you already solved will still be solved :) (EPI: if you leave a sokoban level before fully solving it, it resets itself.) 14:08 that would be too evil 14:09 and extra EPI: every sokoban level has a hidden level teleporter on a random location. 14:09 <@riker> actually that's a good EPI 14:09 <@riker> since stuck boulders 14:10 lol, good luck solving a level if the boulder happens to be rolled on a level teleporter, causing it to leave the level, because then you might be stuck with too little boulders to solve it at all! 14:10 at least sokosolvers have #monster to spawn 1 boulder 14:12 yeah, that ability is there to reduce the likelihood of getting stuck 14:12 which is very possible 14:12 literally wtf at boulder traps... 14:12 lol 14:12 YASI: a level that solves itself by boulder traps and boulders pushing other boulders 14:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:31414 14:17 huh Amy, are pumps really high heels? 14:18 uhh yes, what a question :D you never saw pumps in real life? 14:18 this is what I associate with the word pumps 14:18 https://storefeederimages.blob.core.windows.net/heelzsohigh/Products/45ca00b4-63f2-42a9-a8b6-1b2458aba6cb/Full/nuczm4qv1w3.jpg 14:18 uhh weird, this is what I think of when I hear the word "pumps": https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1rLPiXJjvK1RjSspiq6AEqXXac/2019-Sexy-Pointed-Toe-High-Heel-Shoes-Black-Matte-Leather-12cm-Thin-Heels-Dress-Shoe-for.jpg 14:19 these are the style we'd wear for the gym in primary school: 14:19 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unisex-Girls-Boys-Adult-School-PE-Gym-Trainers-Plimsolls-Pumps-Shoes-Size-UK-/153642823554 14:19 the one you linked I'd call a ballerina 14:19 lol unisex pumps :D 14:19 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 6414 points, T:3808, killed by a gas spore's explosion 14:20 YANSlexI: unisex pumps that are flats 14:20 heh, noted :) they'll count as sexy flats 14:20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plimsoll_shoe 14:20 maybe british english only that name 14:21 never heard of that 14:21 <{Demo}4> be careful or i start croc posting 14:21 do it 14:21 crocs or riot 14:21 crocs are very fleecy-colored ♥♥♥ 14:22 irrenhaus_drei is streaming NetHack again. in German 14:22 bhaak: daaaaaamn, he should stream slex 14:25 LarienTelrunya: I'll pitch it to him. :) 14:25 is he on the irc somewhere? I could talk to him myself 14:26 if i can join in, whos irrenhaus_drei? 14:26 a german nethack player who did a let's play series that I loooooove ♥ 14:26 "apply b!" :D 14:27 does he stream on english or just german? 14:27 play* 14:27 here's a twitch link https://www.twitch.tv/irrenhaus_drei 14:28 ok gonna watch him some day 14:28 LarienTelrunya: he is sometimes on irc, but not often 14:28 aww 14:29 I still remember how he said once "hey ich werd im IRC angeschrieben! Von lorimer! 'Hey ich finds btw nicht okay, daß du uns jetzt noch länger auf den Touristen warten läßt!' Ey! Junge! Ich nehm grad was auf! Okay, das kannst du nicht wissen, aber... etwas Geduld bitte!" :D 14:33 LarienTelrunya: he's cautious. he said, from what he heard so far it's "RNG-hausen" 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4824 14:33 bhaak: sag ihm, er soll nicht so viel Angst vorm RNG haben, der erwischt doch letzten Endes eh jeden und es geht nicht drum, zu gewinnen, sondern Spaß zu haben ♥ 14:34 LarienTelrunya: I told him, he'll either love it or go mad. 14:34 and yes, slex has a lot of RNG; I guess that doesn't appeal to everyone 14:35 does irrenhaus_drei speak english or only german? 14:35 in the LP I only saw him speak german, but if he's on the IRC then he probably at least "speaks" english on IRC 14:36 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6500 points, T:6594, killed by a housecat 14:36 bhaak: is this irrenhaus3 in #nethack 14:36 yes 14:37 just making sure, there are at least two other irrenhausen floating around out there :) 14:37 häuser, no? 14:37 yeah but is he actually active there, probably not while he's streaming 14:38 LarienTelrunya: oh ok thank you very much. gonna watch him sometime if he speaks english 14:38 [hdf-us] [gh] Snuff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4616 points, T:4676, quit 14:38 nicole: yes 14:38 * aosdict doesn't know german. sorry. 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4963 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 27 arrows on an altar, on T:4965 14:38 (Irrenhausen? isn't that just [insert some city you dislike]?) 14:38 we probably have more irregular grammar forms than regular ones :D 14:39 Nächste Station: Schläfelheim-Flügelingen bei Büschelhausen. Der Zug hält nur bei Bedarf. 14:39 now i'm pondering if that's a real place or if you made that up 14:40 it almost sounds plausible 14:40 heh yeah, but it exists as much as Gleisheim, Zugburg and Achtstadt ;) 14:40 [hdf-us] [fh] Rangera (phollenback) (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 40034 points, T:4852, killed by a blast of frost 14:42 sounds as imaginary as Wolfsburg 14:42 hey, at least it's not Bielefeld. 14:43 you can't get more imaginary than that 14:43 [hdf-us] [fh] RAngera (phollenback) (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 6588 points, T:310, killed by an incubus 14:43 I lived in bielefeld briefly as a kid, and lived in finland for a while as an adult 14:43 two places that totally actually exist, I've seen them 14:44 second hand reporting is so believable 14:44 you're from the internet, you could be a dog! 14:44 I'm a cat, actually. *meow* 14:47 and I'm actually a sentient high-heeled shoe ♥ 14:47 ...meow? 14:49 <@riker> that would explain a lot amy 14:50 :D 14:50 the secret origin of LarienTelrunya revealed at last 14:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:56 ... I'm secretly a slightly pear-shaped middle-aged man, actually, no, wait, that's not very secret 14:56 :D 14:57 middle-aged? 14:57 -!- Zackxs3 has joined #hardfought 14:57 Well, where would you put the lower bound? 14:58 what about the upper bound? 14:59 I _hope_ I'm more at risk of not qualifying because of the lower bound :-) 14:59 Amy is there a way for me to check if a tile has a trap on or not? 15:00 got either 3 or 4 holes left to fill 15:00 amateurhour: if your character knows that a trap is there, farlooking should say something like "an amulet, on a hole" 15:00 -!- Zackxs has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:00 so is that amulet like a prize for completion, or is there also a hole there? 15:00 but I know the map; there is no hole on that amulet (if it was, you could just ignore it anyway by kicking open the door and moving diagonally) 15:00 that amulet must have generated randomly there, or it's a mimic maybe 15:01 -!- Zackxs_ has joined #hardfought 15:01 -!- Zackxs3 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:02 btw in these soko floors (that aren't actually in sokoban) are the zoo rewards always the same? 15:02 or is it like if there would be an amulet of reflection it's now a random amulet? 15:03 if it would be an amulet of reflection in actual soko, it is also an amulet of reflection here 15:03 same for bag of holding and other such predetermined items; they don't count as getting the sokoban trophy for junethack though, only the one on the actual top sokoban floor does 15:04 is there a guaranteed reward for this giant one I just did? 15:05 just filled the last hole :) 15:05 no, but there's several random special rooms that may or may not have something good in them 15:05 you probably cleared them all out by now though 15:05 I haven't used the altar or throne yet 15:05 hopefully the bad luck will have timed out 15:06 also congratulations for solving it completely :) 15:06 that took me 12.5k turns, including solving the floor below 15:06 almost all my food is gone 15:07 yeah, food was also my main issue whenever I solved it in my runs 15:07 inb4 two floors down from here is this puzzle again 15:07 -!- flgr has quit [] 15:07 -!- flgr has joined #hardfought 15:07 Wait, it took 12.5 thousand turns??? 15:07 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2020-07-15 23:06 EDT: I think your latest merge on github breaks boulder pushing completely, more details to follow on github 15:07 aah 15:07 yes, 12500 turns 15:07 :O 15:08 Amy says it takes her about 10k, which I can believe as she's probably done it a few times 15:08 yeah, the # of turns you took is about the same as in my games; I only remember it being something about 10k, but could also have been 15k in my games 15:08 especially with chars that lack speed 15:09 As someone who is annoyed by Sokoban, this terrifies me 15:10 something made me lose intrinsic speed before I started 15:11 well it was at least straightforward enough 15:11 some of the other new puzzles are really tricky and easy to mess up 15:12 I think this might be a sokosolver only puzzle? not sure 15:12 I hope so, noone should have to go through that for normal sokoban lol 15:12 nah there is no such thing, they can spawn as one of the middle levels in regular soko (the full-screen one) 15:12 ...wow 15:12 that's where I ran into it a couple times 15:12 that's... 15:12 evil 15:12 that's slex :) 15:13 why would I arbitrarily limit level generation just because players could find that particular level "annoying"? 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:52254 15:14 is there a wiki article with a solution? 15:14 probably not; jonadab has the level in his collection but I'm not sure if he also included a solution 15:14 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Val Ill Fem Law), 8370 points, T:2875, killed by a monster (corona converter) 15:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) killed Oona, on T:33323 15:22 LarienTelrunya: There are spoilers for all the sokoban levels that are included in Fourk, on the Fourk spoilers page. 15:22 jonadab: Message from cebolla at 2020-07-16 17:44 EDT: https://imgur.com/rOd8P5o.png 15:22 jonadab: yeah, but the full-screen sokoban level isn't in fourk... 15:22 Oh, right, THOSE. 15:23 Yeah, no. 15:23 lol 15:23 well, amateurhour just solved it in slex :) 15:23 took a while 15:23 it was fun to do it 15:23 o n c e 15:23 They were intended to be straightforward, just really time consuming. 15:23 but never again 15:24 if there was more food scattered around there it'd be slightly more okay 15:24 My intention when I designed them was to make them an optional fifth level of Sokoban, after the prize level. 15:24 For people who just, you know, like that sort of thing. 15:24 what rewards are in there in fourk? 15:25 amateurhour: The normal Sokoban prize can be a bag of holding, an amulet of reflection, or a sack containing three rings. Two of the three rings aren't randomly chosen. 15:25 IIRC, it was, like, a ring of teleport control, a ring of polymorph control, and a random ring. Something like that. 15:26 The optional fifth level was never implemented, because of technical limitations in branch structure that I didn't get around to fixing. 15:26 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:26 ah right, fair enough 15:26 But would've had much lesser prizes, to the tune of, a couple of chests full of random chest contents. 15:26 eh 15:26 Nothing compelling enough that anyone would feel the needed to do that level. 15:27 I specifically wanted to avoid making people feel like they should do that level. 15:27 I enjoy sokoban puzzles and all but if there was almost 0 reason to do it I wouldn't 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:4417 15:28 Yeah, but if I put a big reward on it, then people feel like they have to slog through it even if they hate Sokoban. 15:28 And I didn't want to do that to people, because it's loooooong. 15:28 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 15:28 75% chance of magic lamp, 25% of oil lamp? 15:28 just vomiting ideas 15:28 No, that would definitely make people feel like they *needed* to do the level. 15:28 that sounds like "players have to slog through" 15:28 ^ 15:28 heh, jonadab was faster ;) 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4676 15:29 75% chance of "lol I won the game because I now have reflection (or doubly won the game because I already got reflection as a sokoprize and now also MR)? *have* to do it 15:29 I suppose the prize could've been a commemorative certificate that shows up in your conducts at game end. 15:30 Make the all-conducts people feel like they have to do with it. 15:30 I'm cool with that, because all-conducts is *supposed* to be a nightmare. 15:30 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:32 I'd probs do it if it counted like that 15:33 junethack trophy too I'd imagine 15:33 Also, all-conducts is already much nastier in Fourk than in vanilla, because of the toolless and quaffless conducts. 15:33 [hdf-us] [slex] serhei (Cou Esp Fem Cha), 4850 points, T:1857, killed by a monster (priest of Caesar) 15:34 <@Sig> Is quaffless + foodless even possible? 15:34 could be by polyselfing into a vampire and wearing unchanging? at least if the melee bloodsucking attack doesn't break either conduct 15:35 Yes; but I don't know if quaffless + foodless + polyselfless + weaponless + pacifist is possible. 15:35 <@Sig> + atheist, lol 15:35 Oh, right, +atheist 15:35 <@Sig> Can't pray for food either 15:35 And toolless is quite restrictive as well. 15:35 In its own way. 15:35 -!- bugsniper__ has joined #hardfought 15:36 oh my god toolless, can't ever use any container... nightmare! 15:36 also can't get to the wand of wishing, because it is inside a container :P 15:36 Eh, wishless is a breeze compared to toolless. 15:36 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:36 <@Sig> Oh that's even worse than the first thing I thought of, which was that you can't horn away deadly illness 15:37 You can make that unimportant by playing Sylph. 15:37 Although, hmm, could still be relevant in Gehennom. 15:37 well that's another thing; illness can be cured by healing potions but how the hell do you cure stun, which Pestilence inflicts in addition to sickness? 15:37 <@Tone> Same-race polymorph doesn't break polyself conduct, so that's always an option for foodless 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 691 points, T:1094, killed by a rothe 15:37 quaffless presumably broken by healing potions 15:38 Most sources of stun can be waited out; but yes, monsters that can stun you with their attack, such as Pesty, would be dangerous. 15:38 As far as I know, Fourk all-conducts is probably _theoretically_ possible, but I don't know if it's practical without TAS tools. 15:39 But, you know, some enterprizing individual could always undertake to prove it doable. 15:39 <@Tone> I can't remember the last time I've even let famine or pestilence get a hit on me, their effects are avoidable 15:40 Right, I said Pesty would be dangerous, not that he'd be insurmountable. 15:40 Juiblex may actually be a bigger problem. 15:40 And you can't pull the generate-him-peaceful-early trick in an atheist game. 15:41 But multi-conduct runs are full of those sorts of considerations. 15:42 <@Tone> Same race poly cures sickness 15:49 -!- bugsniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7646 16:05 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a succubus, on T:7372 16:07 -!- bugsniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) was given their Quest, on T:36293 16:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 306 points, T:1082, killed by a wand 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed mangotiger's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8164 16:23 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 16:33 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 16:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:16943 16:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:8873 16:50 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 16:54 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 90996 points, T:18974, killed by a boulder 17:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu), 443 points, T:1769, killed by a gnome 17:13 -!- dk657 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Mer Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:1104 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 17129 points, T:12250, killed by an ogre lord, while sleeping 17:24 -!- {Demo}4 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 39 points, T:181, killed by a falling rock 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a falling rock 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2803 17:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Mer Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:1234 17:39 -!- dk657 has joined #hardfought 17:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Sir Garland, on T:21940 17:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed etai's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1939 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3650 17:44 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1374 points, T:2225, killed by a gnome lord 17:51 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered Gordito, his faithful kitten, on T:6 18:00 -!- Zackxs_ is now known as Zackxs 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed davez's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:717 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1183 points, T:830, killed by an exploding wand 18:10 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:17 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:18 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2182 18:31 !tell LarienTelrunya am I meant to be able to hit wraiths as a monk? I'm level 11, thought their fists bypassed to to-hit requirement at 8? 18:31 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 18:31 !tell LarientTelrunya also: no old fruit? Program in disorder. Please inform Amy (Bluescreenofdeath at nethackwiki) about this bug. 18:31 I'm on it, amateurhour. 18:38 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Cha) killed the chaos sorceror of serhei, the former Madwoman, on T:16857 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3374 18:44 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 18:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:27060 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9219 points, T:3926, killed by a dwarf king 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5677 18:57 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57 jonadab do you know of any good ways to become unpunished from wand of punishment? it's gemstone 18:58 something zapped it at me, and also put a Leo Nemaeus hide on me, whatever that is 19:01 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 19:02 if it helps, wands of opening do the trick 19:03 or blessed remove curse, at least in vanilla 19:03 or if a nymph comes at u, drop all 19:04 not identified either of those, but none of my blessed scrolls are remove curse 19:04 I'll try the nymph trick though, thanks 19:05 course u gotta b nakey 2 or it 19:05 will take ur trappings 19:05 I've got a cursed cloak on so they can happily take that if they like 19:05 hehe 19:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13719 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3645 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3022 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:4085 19:28 -!- {Demo} has joined #hardfought 19:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:16837 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3140 points, T:3670, killed by a rothe 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4867 19:39 I'm an idiot, I'm a sokosolver in slex so I have plenty of opportunity to bury the ball in a pit 19:39 <@riker> does that work in slex? 19:40 in sum variants it just tethers u :P 19:40 <@riker> sure its 3.4.3 based but that seems like a nice feature that helps the player too much 19:40 <@riker> :p 19:41 well it just worked for me now, yea 19:42 oooo 19:42 don't tell amy lol 19:42 it's too late, we've said the key words 'slex' and 'amy' so she's 100% seen it 19:42 hehe 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:31666 19:48 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5406 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2381 20:16 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:9282 20:18 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 20:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome High King, on T:20396 20:23 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3741 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2722 points, T:3771, killed by an owlbear 20:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:21882 20:36 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) was given the Lash of the Cold Waste, on T:22323 20:41 -!- j6p has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) chosen by Urdlen, on T:23819 20:54 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Mage, on T:55126 21:06 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2389 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:55283 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:25936 21:16 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 418 points, T:1820, killed by a hobbit zombie 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 993 points, T:2417, killed by a bugbear 21:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Con Swn Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11733 21:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:24683 21:29 :o 21:29 a randomly spawned wand of wishing O_O 21:30 this is is dynhack, where only wands can knab magic items 21:30 heck! 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5092 points, T:5123, killed by an ogre 21:38 if you get that bones file, go find the nymph that took ALL my stuff. 21:41 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 19242 points, T:11730, killed by an elf-lord, while sleeping 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:27110 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 100 points, T:763, killed by a giant mimic 22:00 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4710 points, T:2158, killed by a giant mimic 22:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:28233 22:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:42802 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3788 22:14 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17 my game crashed :( 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:14881 22:19 !players 22:19 tommo: [hdf-us] Frozty [nh370] aximili [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] tsingi [nh370] Heliokopis [dnh] lapis [dnh] charles [4k] | [hdf-eu] vimla [dnh] | [hdf-au] Tangles [slshm] 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3984 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4004 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 darts on an altar, on T:4010 22:21 hm, ive been able to reproduce the crash x3, does anyone know who 2 @ about it? 22:21 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 22:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Con Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 blue dragon scale mail", on T:13398 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3207 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1873 points, T:4189, killed by a djinni 22:26 <@riker> !lastgame nodonn 22:26 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nodonn/dnethack/dumplog/1594850498.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nodonn/dnethack/dumplog/1594936514.dnh.txt 22:27 <@riker> !lastgame nodonn 22:27 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nodonn/dnethack/dumplog/1594850498.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nodonn/dnethack/dumplog/1594936514.dnh.txt 22:27 Nothing like rubbing a blessed magic lamp and producing a pissed off genie that kills you. 22:27 <@riker> wait, did my msg double send on IRC? 22:27 ya 22:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:25574 22:27 <@riker> thanks discord, very cool 22:27 heh 22:28 hey riker, r u a server mod? or do u know who is? 22:28 <@riker> for what? this disc? 22:28 <@riker> if the bot does we ping mtf, hes an admin here 22:29 <@riker> right now im not bothering since discord is just being spotty. cloudflare was being wonky earlier and apparently still is 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11 points, T:56, poisoned by a little dart 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3457 22:31 <@riker> !ping 22:31 @riker: Pong! 22:32 i crashed one of my dynahack games, the website says i should get at a mod lol but i didn't even know we had them 22:32 <@riker> ah, for hdf 22:32 <@riker> k2 or tangles 22:32 thanx! 22:32 <@riker> they can recover games 22:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:29776 22:33 tommo what name were you playing under 22:33 Tommo 22:33 in Dynahack 22:34 did you pick an alias for your dyna game? 22:34 it should just be Tommo w a capital T 22:34 k 22:34 hdf-us? 22:34 it crashed when i meleed a master lich 22:34 ya, hdf-us 22:35 i reproduced it a couple times w the same keystrokes 22:36 "The recorded commands seem to be invalid. Replay will use diffs instead" 22:36 ok one sec 22:37 nw, thanx! 22:38 are you still in the game? 22:39 no 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1493 points, T:1384, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a fox 22:42 hi 22:42 Hello bugsniper, Welcome to #hardfought 22:42 tommo, which game were you playing? 22:43 dynahack! 22:45 I think k2 and fiq have sort of taken over on maintaining dynahack 22:45 not really it's pretty much unmaintained 22:46 haha that's kinda wat i heard too 22:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:30391 22:46 your crashes can be recovered probably, but no long term bug fixing is expected 22:46 i hope so! 22:46 ok tommo give it a try. I rewound your game by one turn 22:46 k2 made a branch with his and fiq's commits 22:47 but it seems they only fixed a few serious bugs in it 22:47 i've tried to convince FIQ to rebase dynahack onto fiqhack but no luck so far 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:29619 22:48 it doesn't look like it's working 22:48 fwiw, i did manage to finegle around & sneak in 3 or 4 turns after the initial crash before it crashed again 22:49 i wonder if rewinding a few extra turns would help 22:49 maybe 22:49 it's crashing in the same manner as is 22:49 some dynahack saves cant be fixed fyi 22:49 ok get out of the game i'll try again 22:49 okay im out 22:49 i did hear about that 22:50 a few years ago i had segfault issues with liches using the monster command in an older version of nethack4 22:50 i wonder if it's related at all 22:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:30705 22:51 its a bit of a stretch, but i do wonder 22:51 ok try now 22:52 there was an issue earlier this year with melee and liches 22:52 no fix though 22:53 it's taking commands :) 22:53 nice 22:53 i had this before, n it crashed after a couple turns but 22:53 ill let u know if anything comes up 22:53 try to avoid the scenario that causes the crash if you can 22:53 and ok 22:54 noticeably, there is no longer a lich... 22:54 i rewound about 8-10 turns 22:54 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5268 points, T:2107, killed by an invisible quasit 22:55 okay! ya i recognize it. i wonder if it spawned in that period or sumn 22:55 probably 22:55 aboa 22:55 oop 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3318 22:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the invisible Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:30834 22:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:30916 23:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:31101 23:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:31332 23:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:31346 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 125 points, T:313, killed by a hobbit 23:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the invisible Kostchtchie, on T:32113 23:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:40671 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 809 points, T:849, killed by a dwarf 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:16130 23:54 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]