00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:24659 00:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2761 points, T:2613, quit 00:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:30920 00:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 4260 points, T:2250, killed by a dwarf 00:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 561 points, T:413, killed by a gnome 00:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lungorthin, on T:31259 00:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:19566 00:28 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- entrez has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 00:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:2244 00:51 -!- entrez is now known as qt_ 00:57 -!- Thidwick has joined #hardfought 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3534 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3536 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3868 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1930 points, T:3875, quit 01:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1206 points, T:1649, killed himself with his bullwhip 01:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 593 points, T:685, killed by a dwarf 01:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:23753 01:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5060 02:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:25463 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 83 points, T:670, killed by a giant spider 02:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc zombie, on T:6909 02:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:27599 02:40 -!- Thidwick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed dragonhide +3 cloak of protection", on T:34280 02:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed Helping Hand", on T:34283 02:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:08 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 4288 points, T:3970, killed by a werejackal 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 268 points, T:1350, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 03:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:35079 03:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35728 03:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35731 03:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:35788 03:50 -!- zhangoke has joined #hardfought 03:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:36715 03:51 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Sam Hum Fem Law) murdered Hachi, her faithful little dog, on T:660 04:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35908 04:02 -!- zhangoke1 has joined #hardfought 04:03 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1615 04:03 -!- zhangoke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:03 -!- zhangoke1 is now known as zhangoke 04:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:36113 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:36118 04:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:29850 04:24 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3276 04:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:30595 04:29 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:32 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3748 04:34 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:40 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:44 -!- zhangoke1 has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- zhangoke has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45 -!- zhangoke1 is now known as zhangoke 04:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:52 -!- zhangoke has quit [Quit: zhangoke] 04:54 qt_ @riker I started to remove the "SCCS Id:" header stuff. that's just bullshit nowadays. for vanilla there's a git hook that updates that line. 04:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:30890 04:56 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:57 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Cyb Mat Fem Cha), 11711 points, T:156, killed by a monster (thorn bee) 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] quark (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:3, killed by a giant spider 05:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 417 points, T:1203, killed by a giant spider 05:30 -!- zhangoke has joined #hardfought 05:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:32901 05:36 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:36 -!- zhangoke has quit [Quit: zhangoke] 05:39 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:51057 05:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 51 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37450 05:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:37512 05:50 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by ChanServ 05:51 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 05:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 137 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37755 05:52 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:53 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 05:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "Blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1837 05:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2219 06:01 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:05 oh6: I just saw your bug report email from two weeks ago. Did that happen in a polyinit mode game? 06:07 aosdict: oh, Re: polyinit. you should fill the mode or modes field in the xlogfile. bitfields suck. Mandevil will agree on that point 06:09 at this point, if I change xlogfile field semantics, am I going to break the NHS for a while because it may not get updated there 06:09 mode and modes are not new fields. 06:09 I don't think that the NHS has a problem if you add fields that exist in several other variants 06:10 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6405 06:12 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:51094 06:16 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 13658 points, T:7285, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 06:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Swn Fem Cha), 562312 points, T:35135, killed by a Sharab Kamerel witness, while disrobing 06:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 93 points, T:299, killed by a kobold 06:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 62 points, T:118, killed by a jackal 06:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3719 06:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 566 points, T:1882, killed by a giant bat 06:29 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4027 06:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 126 points, T:389, killed by a fox 06:32 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 06:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 9159 points, T:5524, killed by a Woodland-elf 06:44 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:46 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44115 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44116 06:58 good morning 06:58 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:00 aosdict: thanks for commenting on my pr (that is you, right?), I didn't know if it was appropriate to delete that function or not 07:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6246 07:04 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:14 amateurhour: autotravel in slex looks for the glyph on the map, so if you press > and the stair is obscured by an object, it won't find them 07:15 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 21218 points, T:8658, killed by a Grey-elf 07:21 qt_: yeah that's me 07:21 you're a man of many names 07:21 a ghost with many faces 07:22 when I made my wiki account I thought I could change the name later 07:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 116 points, T:600, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 07:24 I see LarienTelrunya 07:24 colour me disappointed :P 07:25 why? 07:25 because one of the stairs became a . and now I'll not be able to autotravel there? :P 07:25 unrelated reasons, amateurhour just lost $5 on a scratch-off ticket 07:25 hah 07:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) was given Luck Blade, on T:2304 07:31 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7319 07:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 2503 points, T:3265, killed by a rothe 07:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 226 points, T:678, killed by a grid bug 07:37 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 82 points, T:442, killed by a sewer rat 07:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 49 points, T:298, killed by a grid bug 07:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 158 points, T:182, killed by a jackal 07:42 !pom 07:42 nabru: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 6 days. 07:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 189 points, T:754, killed by a jackal 07:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 52 points, T:304, killed by a fox 07:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 72 points, T:583, killed by a fox 07:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:8448 07:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed mangotiger's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:9097 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1738 points, T:48, killed by a jackal 08:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed MHL's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:1131 08:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:9754 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1417 08:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) was given Luck Blade, on T:6879 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2666 points, T:1686, killed by a yellow dragon 08:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) was given Hammerfeet, on T:9699 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15710 points, T:725, killed by a kobold zombie 08:27 OK super weird, first confrontation with the wizard and he appeared as a Xorn 08:28 "That xorn is really the Wizard of Yendor." after stethoscoping 08:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51178 08:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:11816 08:30 doesn't that usually only happen when he casts double trouble 08:30 the clone he creates can appear initially as various kinds of monsters 08:30 it happened when there was only 1 wizard in the world? 08:31 You're right it was double trouble 08:31 I never knew the double could disguise itself 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7629 points, T:182, killed by a sewer rat 08:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51185 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:38754 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:51243 08:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12473 08:44 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:44 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Sok Mal Cha) killed Mr. Gemein, on T:12079 08:57 q! 08:57 oops, wrong window 08:58 how do I use items in slex that are # in my inventory ? 08:58 rebatela: ideally you should use a portable container (I tell that to every new player) and put excessive items into them, but there are several tricks 08:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:38936 08:59 e.g. #adjust, in some cases the first occurence of # on the inventory page is the one that the # button selects, can press . to select everything in inventory, , to select everything on page, ? to select all scrolls etc. and deselect unwanted stuff etc. 08:59 or you could also turn on the "knapsacklimit" option, then you simply cannot pick up items if they would become ##nethack-variants 08:59 whoops 08:59 that was supposed to be a Gartenzaun :P 08:59 so even like a box would work ? 08:59 i have a lot of stuff . no bag yet 08:59 yeah this is slex, you can carry a lot more, a box usually won't burden you and is fully waterproof 09:00 use one :D 09:00 cool thanks 09:00 but like my KEY is a #... 09:00 so i've been kicking doors down 09:00 i need to change this lol 09:00 use #adjust 09:00 ok 09:00 #adjust # (some letter), repeat as needed until the item you want is not # anymore 09:00 keys break in slex so I've been kicking most things open anyway 09:01 good to know 09:01 any tips are greatly appreciated. playing a human monk (i think) 09:01 I'm currently playing monk too 09:01 techniques are really useful but confusing as all hell 09:02 there is a player named musicdemon, who's not here right now but once he comes back, ask him for the slex hints list that he has been collecting (I don't know if he even showed it to me yet) 09:02 is there a Tl;Dr on using monk techniques Amy? 09:03 because this is really confusing: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Chained_blitz 09:03 amateurhour: heh, chained blitz is difficult to use, but very powerful once you master it 09:03 basically, if you don't one-shot Kaen with it, you are doing it wrong :P 09:03 also it bothers me that monks don't get some resistances as intrinsics upon levelling up 09:03 damn i fell down a deep shaft 09:04 replaced with far weaker temporary techniques 09:04 and their starting robe isn't a robe of power 09:04 i don't even know about techniques! lol 09:04 never really played slash even much 09:04 so honestly atm, without knowing how chained blitz works, monks seem a little nerfed 09:04 i just fell all the way to the rogue level tho 09:04 figure out how chained blitz works then :P 09:04 <{Demo}4> amateurhour, monks are from slashem 09:04 <{Demo}4> when vanilla took them they implemented a way weaker version 09:05 <{Demo}4> martial arts dmg in slashem is WAYYYY higher than vanilla 09:05 also monks are far from nerfed, slashem is where they really shine because they max out at a consistent 40 or so damage with max martial arts, compared to vanilla's sissy 12 max damage output 09:05 lol ninjad by Demo :P 09:05 <{Demo}4> slashem is where monks were born 09:05 I'll take your word for it 09:11 i died. i had a scroll of wishing! 09:11 rip :/ 09:12 game crashed at the end too? after everything 09:12 <{Demo}4> if you want a proper monk experience, play slashem. if you want to want to die, play slex 09:12 wat? was there a message? 09:12 yeah, i want to try slashem next i think 09:12 !lastgame rebatela 09:12 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/slex/dumplog/1569005712.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1567799550.dnh.txt 09:13 there was a message that kept repeating. I wasn't paying attention though. but i had to close terminal 09:13 sorry that's probably not helpful ;) 09:13 oh, it couldn't write to the highscore file apparently; you were playing an old version so maybe that was the reason 09:14 ah ok. yeah i started that game a long time ago 09:14 awfully frustrating to drop 20 levels like that... 09:15 you were on level 16 though 09:15 i could see how it could be i mean. I don't really care about that game 09:15 <{Demo}4> if you think that's bad, you should get banished (sends you many many levels away into hell (isnt even that uncommon of an effect)) 09:16 i'm going to play again 09:26 can you use a technique in chained blitz if it's still on cooldown from using it outside a chained blitz? 09:26 <{Demo}4> i have no idea how to use chained blitz 09:26 fair enough 09:26 <{Demo}4> could never figure out how the interface to actually enter what to use worked 09:26 <{Demo}4> just always assumed it was broken 09:26 it is pretty janky and not intuitive 09:26 <{Demo}4> yes 09:26 <{Demo}4> you don't need to use it to be very strong in slashem (this does not apply to slex) 09:26 amateurhour: yes, you can 09:26 the interface to actually enter what to use gives no response, but the game does remember your response 09:27 so you enter the code for the sequence of techniques, while not seeing what you actually entered, and if you entered it correctly and then push the correct button to end the sequence, your character then uses it and (hopefully) one-shots the enemy 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:25699 09:27 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:27 -!- stenno2 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:27 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [*.net *.split] 09:27 -!- oh6 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:27 -!- beetcoin_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:27 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 09:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- beetcoin_ has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 09:28 that was a netsplit 09:29 no shit sherlock :D 09:29 quite the splitty one 09:29 for me only 5 out of 69 users got split 09:29 i was on the other side of that :P 09:29 so you saw only four others? 09:30 about 40 people split away for me 09:30 oh no wait, quite a few more 09:30 yeah should be the 64 then 09:30 probably 64 people 09:30 that's weird, I mean we're both in germany so I'd have expected us to be on a similar node 09:31 I don't think freenode assigns your node based on where it thinks your IP is 09:31 i was on backett 09:31 aosdict: kinda 09:31 beckett 09:31 ah, I'm apparently on kornbluth 09:31 wait is that the beckett who did waiting for godot 09:32 I had 5 people split here 09:32 hmm didn't they have a server message to tell where the server name came from 09:33 well it has to be sam beckett 09:33 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 09:33 yeah its not listed in the motd as it should be 09:33 for orwell, to which i was connected earlier, it was explained 09:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 86270 points, T:21381, killed by a uranium imp 09:34 that's the one that was founded in the year 1984? 09:35 hee 09:35 and when you connect from that, you may not commit the crimes of wrongspeak or wrongthink on IRC? :P 09:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 4 points, T:10, killed by a grid bug 09:35 war is peace, freedom is slavery 09:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 0 points, T:10, killed by a jackal 09:35 anyway, I need to go afk for a while now 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:51329 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51330 09:37 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] WizardofWor (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:42604 09:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 228 points, T:639, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 09:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 72 points, T:276, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal 09:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 4 points, T:131, killed by a goblin 09:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 72 points, T:174, killed by a jackal 09:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 814 points, T:2230, killed by a dwarf 09:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 56 points, T:156, killed by a fox 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] WizardofWor (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:43397 09:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 710 points, T:1049, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 09:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Raisse (Mon Hlf Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6376 09:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 12 points, T:91, killed by a fox 09:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 53 points, T:171, killed by a contaminated potion 09:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 8 points, T:184, killed by a sewer rat 09:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 155 points, T:703, killed by a goblin 09:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 607 points, T:1366, killed by a gnome lord zombie 10:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 117 points, T:676, killed by a fox 10:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 926334 points, T:38947, killed by invisible Pestilence (with the Amulet) 10:01 <{Demo}4> is he the biggest killing rider? 10:02 !lastgame elenmirie 10:02 nabru: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for xnh:elenmirie) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack/dumplog/1594048334.nh.html 10:02 sigh 10:03 wasn't properly prepared 10:03 <{Demo}4> ewwwww upsidedown astral 10:03 and you had lifesaving in your BoH :( 10:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 288 points, T:1301, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 10:04 <{Demo}4> black dsm? 10:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Raisse (Mon Hlf Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:8359 10:04 first I found 10:04 <{Demo}4> oh, oilskin on for water plane? 10:04 yep 10:04 <{Demo}4> weird to see guarding + oilskin when you have copr + aols 10:05 with the amulet of guarding it was MC3, but I should have changed for astral 10:05 overconfident 10:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 49 points, T:256, killed by a grid bug 10:05 <{Demo}4> is copr not MC3? 10:05 !lastgame microlance 10:05 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1594649050.dnh.txt 10:05 <{Demo}4> i dont know how 3.6+ changes work 10:05 CoP is MC3 10:05 copr is, but oilskin is MC2 10:06 so plus guarding, MC3 10:06 but as I said, it would have been better to change after water 10:06 because I was genoless, not really by choice, just never found it 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a dented pot entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:15008 10:07 <{Demo}4> its annoying how there isn't really time to change after entering astral 10:07 <{Demo}4> or directly before 10:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:79105 10:07 once you're on astral, definitely not 10:07 <{Demo}4> which is why variants that do plane order randomizations are realllllly missing out on the fact that I think that is by design 10:08 <{Demo}4> like, if I get earth before astral I have plenty of time to change and apply temp buffs before hitting the portal 10:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Father Dagon, on T:79161 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:15525 10:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Raisse (Mon Hlf Fem Law), 38681 points, T:9033, killed by a baluchitherium, while fainted from lack of food 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11155 10:17 [hdf-us] [fh] Arnibald (arnibald) (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the ghost of rwaqx, the former Conjurer, on T:3364 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] WizardofWor (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45003 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] WizardofWor (Val Hum Fem Law) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45004 10:21 !rng e 4 7 d 10:21 raisse: 7 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] WizardofWor (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:45010 10:22 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 10:23 !rng be | not be 10:23 nabru: be 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1754288 points, T:51759, petrified by a beholder 10:24 oops no time to put on a blindfold :-( 10:24 harsh... 10:25 doh 10:25 that's slow stoning 10:26 how did you not notice? you should have had time to address it 10:26 <{Demo}4> shots of toilet bowl cleaner 10:29 Maybe because my BoH got uncursed at the same time and I got burdened? 10:29 burdened would be bad yes 10:30 the beholder did multiple bad things at the same time, can it curse stuff in your inventory? 10:30 no 10:30 but it has a cancellation gaze 10:30 so blessed BoH can become uncursed 10:31 yes 10:31 super bad luck 10:31 welcome to the 'i died to a beholder' club :) 10:31 yeah not feeling the warm welcome yet ;-) 10:32 bleh 10:32 i remember once in grunthack (samurai too hah), entered a room, boop dead (beholder was awake and disintegrated me) 10:32 started another game, found my bones, boop dead again, same beholder 10:32 instant petrification 10:32 <{Demo}4> an uncursed bag is also an unblessed bag 10:33 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1466 points, T:5520, killed by a wererat 10:34 without the burdening I suppose I would have had time to put on my towel and then take a lizard bite? 10:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof mithril helm of drain resistance", on T:79897 10:37 !lastgame 10:37 mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/slex/dumplog/1569005712.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh343/dumplog/1594650334.nh343.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nethack/dumplog/1594630898.nh.html 10:38 !lastgame mobileuser 10:38 mobileuser: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1593960068.evil.html 10:39 "You are now wearing a towel around your head." and game over. 10:40 rip :( 10:40 should have gone bite first 10:40 i hope i can genocide beholder in my game 10:40 that's what I learned now 10:41 high after mind flayer in your list :) 10:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Sam Swn Fem Law) was given Jinja Naginata, on T:3048 10:42 I think you can't genocide beholder 10:43 Wiped out all beholders. 10:43 in evilhack? 10:44 ah yes i bet K2 has prevented that :) 10:45 does anyone know how the NHDT- headers are supposed to be used? 10:45 In future games I am going to be even more paranoid about spotting a "5" with warning :-) 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 61427 points, T:25713, quit 10:46 e.g. in a PR which wants to merge from my branch `mybranch' into `NetHack-3.7', should NHDT-Branch read `mybranch' or `NetHack-3.7'? 10:46 you cant genocide beholders in evilhack 10:47 K2: what's the deep lore behind that? too handsome to die? 10:47 K2 just wants more members to his 'killed by beholder' -club :-) 10:48 hah 10:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Sam Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4040 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a magical pair of old gloves entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:24583 11:07 ok... does anyone know if it's actually appropriate to use nhadd, etc, to update the NHDT- headers when making a PR? 11:08 my pr now has conflicts that needs to be resolved manually thanks to using nhadd instead of add, so I'm wondering if I should roll it back 11:15 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Mal Law), 402 points, T:706, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:18 well, I did it. I'm going to feel pretttty stupid if I need to flip flop back to updating them again lol 11:22 sorry qt_ I dont know 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] skwrl (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed sickopsycho's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1992 11:24 K2: it is definitely some obscure and forbidden art that nobody understands but the initiated 11:24 :) 11:26 a modern day eleusinian mysteries 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] skwrl (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2816 11:33 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 11:38 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:26780 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26781 12:05 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:12 is there any way to get bones from molten lava? 12:12 blackshift-Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law, burned by molten lava. 12:12 <@riker> zap cold to freeze the lava 12:12 <@riker> then dig to see what didnt burn up 12:13 can one fill the molten lava with boulders or do they just melt? 12:16 you can fill it but the chance it much lower than with water 12:16 I think it's a 9/10 chance that a boulder will successfully fill a pool, whereas with lava it's a 1/10 chance? 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 856 points, T:1674, killed by a little dog 12:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 336 points, T:1290, killed by a giant bat 12:21 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:25 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:17138 12:34 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40 [hdf-us] [fh] Arnibald (arnibald) (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7235 12:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 353 points, T:855, killed by a water moccasin 12:40 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:963, killed himself with his bullwhip 12:42 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2506 12:43 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 12:46 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Val Hum Fem Neu), 16019 points, T:8725, killed by a priestess of Loki 12:47 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3777 12:48 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law), 3258 points, T:3788, killed by a gold golem 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class b, on T:25871 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class v, on T:25871 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class Q, on T:25872 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class y, on T:25872 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyra (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 1455 points, T:2607, killed by a gray unicorn 12:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 600 points, T:794, killed by a coyote 12:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3257 12:56 -!- qt_ has quit [Quit: back later] 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:2933 12:58 [hdf-us] [slshm] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 101 points, T:339, killed by a rabbit 12:59 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 12:59 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1417 points, T:3072, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2323 13:12 [hdf-us] [fh] Arnibald (arnibald) (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 shield of reflection", on T:9980 13:16 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of zor, the former Aborigine, on T:3047 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4701 points, T:2997, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted flaming sphere 13:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:6507 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28631 13:19 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 13:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7274 13:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed mangotiger's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7726 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class N, on T:18222 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of high boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:18293 13:34 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:38 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of davez, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4546 13:39 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:44 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- stenno2 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 13:51 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 13:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Mother Hydra, on T:40644 13:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Father Dagon, on T:40678 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed bag of holding", on T:18737 13:59 LarienTelrunya: how do I deal with a part man and grues? I can't even see where they are 13:59 sorry if you're busy 13:59 amateurhour: no problem, right now I'm at home and chillin' :) 13:59 won't have that luxury the next three days, but now I'm here 14:00 <{Demo}4> see how many shoes u can eat 14:00 grues look like floor, and there's 50% chance of displacing them in melee but otherwise they can be hurt normally 14:01 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of nabru, the former Fighter, on T:5787 14:01 ranged weapons and spells are better against them since they bypass the displacement thing 14:01 what about this 'part man' that keeps whacking me? 14:01 @le?part man 14:02 huh where is the bot 14:02 !tell LarienTelrunya I amright here 14:02 Will do, amateurhour! 14:02 eh, can't see its stats now (no idea why) but it should also be killable normally... 14:02 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2020-07-13 14:02 EDT: I amright here 14:02 is it also invisible like grues? 14:02 yeah I saw that you're here, but I wanted to query Beholder for info about the part man (don't have it memorized) 14:02 grues aren't "invisible", they are this glyph: . 14:03 yeah, sorry, I meant do they also have that glyph 14:03 so when they're on floor that also looks like a dot, they're hard to see :D 14:03 because I literally cannot find the part man, so I've ran away to another floor 14:03 yeah part men are grues too (if I could query the bot, it would show the stats and everything) 14:04 ah right that explains my confusion 14:05 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 14:08 is 'particle man' a slex monster 14:08 <@riker> monst.c says no 14:08 omg, great idea (already know what it'll do) :P soon it will be! thanks aosdict ♥ 14:09 <@riker> closest is a Q named "elemental particle" 14:09 <@riker> amy: H class monsteR? 14:09 LarienTelrunya: particle man must be vulnerable to triangular things 14:09 @riker: nah, also a grue (like the part man), but higher and with homing lazer 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:19689 14:11 how do we define what a "triangular thing" is in the game though 14:12 <@riker> stabbing weapon, for the most part? 14:12 <@riker> slashing weapons too, possibly 14:12 triangular amulet 14:12 wtf the altar in minetown disappeared 14:12 <@riker> yeah that happens amateurhour 14:12 don't chat to the priest now! 14:12 <@riker> anti altar scum effect i believe, there's a chance (goes down with spirituality skill) for the altar to disappear when you drop something or maybe sac something 14:12 ._. 14:13 guessing the odds of finding another altar are slim to none as sokosolver 14:14 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:15 it's not impossible 14:15 but yeah, altars aren't unlimited; using them a lot can cause them to disappear if you're unlucky 14:16 (not in-game luck related; just a random chance) 14:17 -!- stenno is now known as Guest31195 14:17 -!- Guest31195 has quit [Killed (cherryh.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 14:17 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 14:17 -!- Guest31195 has joined #hardfought 14:17 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 10457 points, T:7129, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 14:18 can't say I'm not frustrated with this really 14:18 -!- Guest31195 is now known as sacredchao 14:18 heh, frustration tolerance is something I consider semi-essential for playing slex :D 14:19 What, does slex not have the scroll of consecration? 14:19 jonadab: of course it does, why wouldn't it? 14:19 How can there be an item slex doesn't have? 14:19 how did you get the idea that it wouldn't have the item 14:19 Well, if you can get a scroll of consecration, then you can _make_ an altar. 14:19 if it does and I happen to have it, I haven't id'd it 14:20 <@riker> plot twist: the game decided scrolls of consecration will never spawn in that game 14:20 because iding anything seems to be a royal pain 14:22 *Is* there any object that you've considered and said "nah" to, LarienTelrunya? 14:22 aosdict: yes, the backpack from Nethack-TNG 14:22 not sure what the use of having that in the game would be 14:22 <@riker> what is it? 14:22 does it have a negative benefit for the player? 14:22 don't remember what it did there 14:22 You already have a pack in the game. It's mentioned in some of the messages. 14:22 no? then it's not in slex 14:22 :P 14:23 I don't see a backpack on the page for TNG items 14:23 there's a bag of digestion, which sounds right up slex's alley 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:30310 14:23 <@riker> slex has digestion, I believe 14:23 hmm... not sure where I saw it then 14:23 bag of digestion exists in slex 14:24 <@riker> hey amy you should make a wand of wishing but it has infinite charges and never fails to give you exactly what you ask for, it's super common and each time you start a new game you have a 50% chance to spawn with one 14:24 rofl, that sounds like something porkhack would do 14:25 but every time you use it, the chance of monster instakilling you rises by 1% 14:26 <@riker> each item has the "of instant death" property applied (or whatever that one that makes you just random die occasionally) 14:28 premature death 14:28 vorpal? 14:29 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29 <@riker> yeah that one amy 14:29 is there any non-premature death in nethack 14:29 its not that you can die of old age 14:29 the problem with the name "porkhack" is that you think of sporkhack and not a slex fork 14:30 well he'd call it porkem actually 14:34 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15379 14:36 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:16856 14:45 something keeps making me fall asleep, it wouldn't be the mines' end luckstone I just got would it? 14:45 no, but maybe you have another unidentified gray stone? (can't see it because your terminal is too big to fit on my screen :P) 14:45 or maybe an unidentified worn ring or amulet (of restful sleep, obviously) 14:46 ah yes, I have another stone 14:46 did you try to drop it? always try to drop unknown gray stones in slex! 14:46 in this case it's probably a sleepstone, which has no use and is just a hazard 14:46 hrmmm, think perhaps the 'luckstone' wasn't a luckstone either 14:47 even thought it gave a message 14:47 if it gave a full-screen message, it was a luckstone 14:47 it gave a full screen message 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Champion, on T:49240 14:57 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Sok Mal Cha), 188705 points, T:22219, killed by a monster (Emma's sexy wedge sandal) 14:57 Go Team Girl (and shoes)! ♥ 14:57 the f in slex stands for fun 14:57 mmmmmmmmmmmmm such a sexy wedge sandal <3 14:59 really wanted to enjoy it honestly, sokosolver sounded really neat 14:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59 and what was it that broke it for you? 14:59 probably all the random unfair shit that would just simply happen 14:59 heh 15:00 * LarienTelrunya is tempted to say "vanilla of course never spawns a random lieutenant with a wand of death and ends your run out of nowhere" :P 15:00 can you drop sleepstone or does it autocurse when picked up to inventory? 15:00 you can't just play better, walls and shit heaps can just spawn mid puzzle, and what is up with some of those shoe monsters 15:01 stun, sleep, stat drain 15:01 NAOrsa: they generate cursed and cannot be dropped while cursed, but IIRC don't autocurse 15:01 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Val Sok Fem Law), 19 points, T:38, killed by a sucking tentacle attack 15:01 amateurhour: shooooooooooes ♥♥♥ 15:01 of course because there's 300k different monsters you'll never see a unicorn 15:02 uni horn is a fantastic too indeed <3 15:02 oh I did think of that, and added enough unicorns as well as monsters that spawn with horns to ensure they're not impossible to find 15:02 tool* 15:02 same for lizard corpses 15:02 so those stun/para/stat drain shoe monsters really do a number on you 15:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:02 the unicorn horn i had in my slex game was cursed -3 15:02 i think that's where my troubles began actually 15:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2831 15:03 rebatela: if you were able to pray, you could have wielded it and prayed to turn it into uncursed -3 15:03 oh ok. thats good to know 15:03 how rare are wishing scrolls? I had one of those 15:03 the sokosolver floors being bass ackwards was also a pita 15:03 they used to be 50 in 10000 in the version where you had one, now they're 3 in 10000 (out of randomly generated scrolls) 15:03 I know you say it's 'by design' but there's nothing less pleasant than it being impossible to not waste a boulder 15:04 maybe every starting inventory should have lizard corpse and a uni horn 15:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:19763 15:04 wouldn't hate that idea^ 15:04 amateurhour: if *that* is the least pleasant thing about slex, you haven't seen nothing yet... :D 15:04 no, it's just the straw that broke the camel's back really 15:04 everything was at minimum a little bit annoying 15:05 that's good to know, because it means that it works as intended :) 15:05 it's a shame imo because there's a lot of good ideas in there 15:05 YANII: or maybe and lizard as a extra pet on T:1 and, then just hope your kitten/puppy doesent eat it after biting it to death <3 15:06 hope this isn't coming across as too negative 15:06 if it had less random bs it'd be really cool 15:06 my biggest problem is getting used to , being the path... I keep walking into # walls 15:06 amateurhour: nah don't worry, I'm used to much more negative comments about slex 15:07 rebatela: you can turn off the # glyph for walls, I don't recall what it is but the option probably has "wall" in it 15:07 wallglyph or something 15:07 or maybe showwallglyph or something like that 15:07 and it keeps encouraging me to use numpad like the people who play the game wrong do 15:07 you can turn that one off thankfully (btw who uses the numpad?) 15:07 did you actually *read* the numpad message? it tells you how to turn it (the message) off! if you find it annoying, ... follow the instructions :D 15:07 OPTIONS=nonumpadmessage 15:08 amateurhour: amy uses numpad obv ;) 15:08 amateurhour: I just got sick watching new players who didn't join the IRC, fumble around obviously trying to use number pad, and give up on the game. they could have grown into valuable slex players... 15:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4538 15:08 #en 15:08 oop 15:09 i have my first midgame convict :3 15:09 gratz 15:10 now to make it your first endgame convict! 15:10 convict is hard 15:10 thats right! 15:10 Amy when you say 'valuable' does that mean you're actually after feedback? 15:10 amateurhour: of course I am 15:11 slex doesn't exist in a vacuum after all :D 15:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4639 15:12 then imo to improve sokosolver you should flip where the stairs are and increase luck penalty for cheating 15:12 or add some other horrible penalty for cheating 15:12 nah, sokosolver works as intended (while I want feedback, I give no guarantee to actually make changes based on that feedback :D) 15:12 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:13 also minetown should have normal prices imo 15:13 what do you mean "normal prices", it does... 15:13 how were they abnormal? 15:13 everything cost an insane amount, is that some penalty for sokosolvers? 15:13 they'd buy things for the usual price and sell things for over 1k 15:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Wizra (phollenback) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 71268 points, T:29838, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted ice troll 15:14 uhh no? which item did you find in the shop, how much did it cost and how much should it? 15:14 things like books would all be over 1000, potions minimum 600 15:14 <@riker> what's your cha? 15:14 not talking about the Mall here, talking about minetown 15:14 yeah you cannot price-ID them, because they all cost whatever the maximum cost of that base type was in slashem 15:14 !lastgame 15:14 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/phollenback/fiqhack/dumplog/2020-07-13%2019%3A13%3A48%2C%20Wizra-Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1594584218.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nethack/dumplog/1594630898.nh.html 15:14 wtf 4 cha 15:15 <{Demo}4> ugly 15:15 hehe 15:15 so how do i do these chi moves i'm learning ? are these techniques? 15:15 maybe a side effect of that stat drain? 15:15 <{Demo}4> #technique 15:15 rebatela: yep, #technique command 15:15 ninjad again :P 15:15 but minetown had those prices right near the start, so if it was cha related it would have been like that from the start 15:15 thanks 15:16 well, scrolls and potions and stuff do cost quite a bit in slex 15:16 has nothing to do with minetown in particular, they cost the same in other shops 15:18 didn't manage to get any sort of real gold till like dlvl 11 or so so couldn't buy jack 15:18 paying a shopkeeper to id stuff was absolutely out of the question 15:18 only had the starting id scrolls to use, uncursed 15:18 yeah currently there's too little gold, known issue, mitigated in next version 15:19 then there's so much guff that you're encouraged to id 15:19 but don't have any serious opportunities to id things 15:20 so I guess I should bind #technique to a key? Is it something I should be using often? i 15:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Pri Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3761 15:21 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Val Sok Fem Cha), 2024 points, T:778, burned by a fireball 15:21 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:21 rebatela: you can do so; I never do, because it's easy enough to type #te and let autocomplete do the rest ;) 15:21 but yeah, techniques are meant to be used 15:22 especially chained blitz as a monk :D 15:22 * jonadab has never been able to get chained blitz to actually work. 15:22 <{Demo}4> yeah 15:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3920 15:22 I have a sneaky suspicion it only works in numpad mode. 15:22 jonadab: but you watched me getting it to work, with me giving detailed explanations as to what I'm doing ;) 15:23 the dumplog says 'You saw invisible' and yet there was a lot of monsters that I didn't see, is that intentional? 15:23 they would hit me, I'd press s to search, then the I would appear representing them 15:23 "see invisible" means you can see things that have the invisible attribute. 15:24 yeah, not referring to things with the glyph . here 15:24 Which is different from e.g. monsters that are hiding under an object, or pretending to be part of the ceiling/wall/floor/furniture/etc. 15:24 in slex, you need double see invisible to see all invisible monsters; having it only either in- or extrinsically means you only see some of them 15:24 -!- bugsniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25 r u srs 15:25 !lastgame musicdemon 15:25 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/musicdemon/slex/dumplog/1594068083.slex.txt 15:25 ... well, that is definitely a slex thing then. 15:25 amateurhour: welcome to slex :D 15:25 thing is they wouldn't appear with warning either 15:25 or do we need double warning too 15:26 jonadab: you should say something like "if you're playing slex, expect to go 'WAIT WHAT, WHY IS THAT A THING???' often" :D 15:26 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 15:26 but why is that a thing? 15:26 it doesn't have to be a thing 15:26 amateurhour: yes, although even double warning is not guaranteed to show them all 15:26 ...I can't tell if you're trolling 15:27 no I'm serious; just because no other variant makes such a change doesn't mean slex cannot make it either :D 15:27 ._. 15:28 slex is *very* different indeed, compared to other variants 15:29 I'm not concerned much about how different it is, just the little annoyances really add up to be rather unpleasant 15:30 :( 15:30 well, those "annoyances" are part of the game; I am aware that not many players will like them, but the game is as I want it to be, and that's the most important thing to me :D 15:30 generally, I develop slex for myself, because I want a game that I enjoy playing. if others also enjoy it, great! if not, oh well, at least I still enjoy it 15:31 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Val Sok Fem Law), 1207 points, T:747, killed by a monster (extraterrestrial spider), while praying unsuccessfully 15:31 yeah, I'm pretty sure you're not going to change anything because of my complaints 15:31 can't pray if you've been forced to cheat at a puzzle^ 15:32 well, that explains it 15:32 I overhead the talk about sokosolvers and decided to try it 15:32 *overheard 15:33 sokosolver is tricky to play, that I admit 15:33 LarienTelrunya: Do you need quadruple see invisible to actually be able to see invisible? 15:33 oh, maybe I should mention that #monster as a sokosolver can be used every once in a while to do helpful things 15:33 Potion plus ring plus worn armor plus wielded artifact? 15:33 yes, I've used it once or twice, but it's random which effect you get 15:33 jonadab: there are no quadruple properties, "double" properties in slex specifically means having both the in- and extrinsic 15:34 amateurhour: whaaaaaaaat? that sounds like a bug, it should let you choose 15:34 similarly panic digging doesn't work in sokopuzzles, but is essential sometimes in the mines and first floor of the game 15:34 panic digging does work in soko if a wall has been generated post-level-generation; it just doesn't work on undiggable walls (which the walls in sokoban levels happen to be) 15:35 things teleporting you into walls would be bad without those starting phase door scrolls, no idea what one would do after those run out 15:35 probably hit #quit 15:36 #technique phase door (or panic digging if the walls are diggable) 15:36 altars disappearing without sacrificing anything at them was a bit of a kick in the 'nads too 15:36 also, getting a pick-axe is pretty important in slex ;) 15:38 biggest problem I think is not being able to id things 15:38 unless there's something really obvious I'm overlooking, would be happy to hear that 15:38 <{Demo}4> i have no idea what you are playing 15:38 slex 15:38 <{Demo}4> oh 15:38 <{Demo}4> im sorry 15:38 hah 15:38 <{Demo}4> that's your problem 15:39 <{Demo}4> if you were playing regular slashem you could use shk identify services 15:39 well I'm kicking the habit now 15:39 <{Demo}4> but in slex if you roll a game with low id success chances, you are just fucked 15:39 yeah, though in slex you additionally get no money and the shopkeepers charge more or something 15:39 <{Demo}4> ah lol 15:39 there are alternate ways of IDing things, in fact you're supposed to use- and wear-test stuff in slex too :P 15:40 if you just wait around until you finally have enough ID scrolls, you just end up not knowing what any of the items are 15:40 yes wear all that stuff you can't even BUC test because the only altar said goodbye 15:40 test BUC with a pet! 15:40 didn't find any id scrolls other than the starting ones 15:40 <{Demo}4> if it kills you is that the worst thing that could happen? 15:40 had like 20 scrolls I couldn't id 15:40 haha lol 15:40 yeah i just had an altar disappear too 15:41 amateurhour: should just have read-tested them (with precautions of course)... 15:41 minetown temple is coaligned though 15:41 and I know players coming from vanilla would be very reluctant to read-test scrolls, but in slex you're supposed to do so 15:41 not gonna quaff random potions or read random scrolls in case you added the Unholy Scroll of Kick Balls or whatever tf 15:41 Your key didn't quite fit the lock and snapped! 15:41 oh how fun! 15:41 amateurhour: there's the no cyanide rule, no consumable kills you immediately when testing it under reasonable circumstances (of course, reading a scroll of fire when you're at 1 HP will kill you) 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:596, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:42 (but why would you read-test random scrolls at 1 HP except as a last-ditch resort?) 15:42 suitable precautions like BUC testing? 15:42 well, not wearing irreplaceable armor when destroy armor is not yet known, for example 15:43 or for potions, having a pet nearby as long as paralysis is not yet known 15:43 what's the worst case scroll and potion that are uncursed? 15:43 uhh not sure actually, depends on situation 15:43 there's so many different ones in slex :D 15:43 can we assume there's worse ones than in vanilla? 15:43 In vanilla, it's probably hallucination. 15:44 Because it lasts basically forever. 15:44 <{Demo}4> polymorph 15:44 <{Demo}4> but you can dip test for that 15:44 Or yes, maybe polymorph if you get unlucky. 15:44 I think in the average case polymorph wears off quicker than hallu. 15:44 <{Demo}4> amateurhour do not drink a sparkling potion 15:44 <{Demo}4> polymorph can fuck your armor 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5 points, T:9, killed by a water moccasin 15:44 <{Demo}4> which is 10000000000x worse than hallu 15:44 In general, use-identifying potions is not the NetHack way of doing things. 15:45 <@riker> sparkling potion bad 15:45 amateurhour: yes, scroll of stoning for example (does exactly what it says on the tin) and potion of cyanide (reduces strength and deals damage) 15:45 and we're encouraged to use-test with those in the mix? 15:45 No. 15:45 This isn't Brogue. 15:45 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1358 points, T:1312, killed by a horse 15:45 Don't use-test blindly. 15:46 amateurhour: yep, I do it all the time 15:46 Well, I mean, in slex it hardly matters because the game is going to screw you in a dozen turns or so anyway. 15:46 ._. 15:46 <{Demo}4> you're going into slex with a way wrong mindset 15:47 This is my fear/problem. I like the game and think all the crazy items and monsters and stuff are SO cool!! BUT if i get emotionally invested in the slightest, it's just going to be frustrating dying constantly 15:47 <@riker> slex is most fun sleep deprived 15:47 what's the right mindset then {Demo}4 ? 15:47 !lastgame rebatela 15:47 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/slex/dumplog/1594667405.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1567799550.dnh.txt 15:47 riker: i was thinking maybe on acid 15:48 <{Demo}4> the developer is literally batshit insane and has no fucking idea how to balance shit or make shit fun, so it's an unholy clusterfuck, which you can attempt to navigate at your own risk. this is super appealing to some people 15:48 <@riker> i don't condone lsd in any way shape or form 15:48 oh me neither 15:48 <@riker> i don't touch that stuff, fuck that 15:48 lmao 15:48 <@riker> but yeah no you just gotta accept death ahead of time 15:48 <{Demo}4> i respect it as a work of art and I can respect those that manage to navigate it 15:48 <@riker> and see what you can do with the funny shit 15:48 {Demo}4: lol, actually I view slex as both balanced and fun :P (except that this version 2.66 is not as balanced as I want it to be, 2.68 will be much better if I ever find the time to work on it again) 15:48 <@riker> what about .67? 15:48 <{Demo}4> yes i know you do amy 15:49 <{Demo}4> but ur nuts 15:49 <@riker> rebatela: the trick is to not get emotionally invested in any games :P 15:49 @riker: version number gets bumped every once in a while 15:49 <{Demo}4> the point is that you view it that ay 15:49 <{Demo}4> way 15:49 (even when there are no releases) 15:49 <@riker> lmao, fair enough 15:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5667 15:52 also yeah I can second what riker said, don't get too emotionally invested into slex, especially not with earlygame chars where there's not much at stake ;) 15:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52 if you've been playing the same char for 75 dungeon levels, then maybe, because then you'll be set back very far should you bite the big one 15:52 <@riker> i just don't get invested in any of my nethack characters 15:53 <@riker> but yeah esp not slex 15:53 <@riker> amy do you remember a dlvl1 scroll of wishing that hit an out of depth spawn in the mines? lol 15:53 <@riker> left bones too i believe 15:53 @riker: uhh no? was that one of your chars? 15:53 <@riker> yep! 15:54 so you both do think its especially hard perma death game, in a way that death frequency in the beginning is way more frequent than vanilla for example? 15:54 <@riker> i was very excited for a short amount of time 15:54 NAOrsa: if you know what you're doing, death frequency in slex's early game is actually quite a bit lower than vanilla IMHO 15:54 (unless you pick extra hard combos, of course) 15:55 yeah my Tourists keep on dying frequently in both i guess :D 15:55 <{Demo}4> you cannot approach slex with the same mindset you would approach nethack or any other variant thereof 15:55 <{Demo}4> and expect anything but anger, sadness, and bad 15:55 ^ 15:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:56 <@riker> except shoes 15:56 <@riker> expect shoes 15:56 lol shoes =) 15:56 shooooooes! ♥♥♥ 15:56 <@riker> (that was more parallel structure than i expected, lol) 15:58 * jonadab contemplates creating a NetHack variant with no footwear of any kind, and where gender is not specified or referred to in any way. 15:59 one can choose non-binary 15:59 was it in unnethack dont remember 15:59 <@riker> splicehack 15:59 yea splice :) 16:00 That's still an explicit reference to gender. 16:01 LarienTelrunya: do you mean when you say knowing what your doing, like mastering pokedeck? and knowing that monks are not nerfed in slex? as i overheard today? :) 16:01 I meant just absolutely removing all references to the concept, from the game. 16:02 rebatelas lastgame dumplog shows his monk had discovered Hawaiian shorts (flowery shorts and lei) 16:02 NAOrsa: uhh what? monks do still do slashem levels of martial arts damage and don't get as bad a penalty for wearing body armor, is that what you mean? 16:02 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 3119 points, T:1265, killed by a baby blue dragon 16:02 i didnt even know trousers were added to any nethack variant xD 16:02 well they're actually still body armor 16:03 <@riker> jonadab: I believe antigulp also suggested a "choose your own pronoun" system, is that better? 16:03 @riker that is more or less the opposite of what I was talking about. 16:03 LarienTelrunya yes this i was thinking :) 16:03 <@riker> so, exactly no referneces to you as a person other than "you drop/you pick up/etc." 16:04 succubus/succubii always referred to as 'heirs' 16:04 Right, second-person pronouns don't say anthing about gender in English. 16:04 I'd just remove foocubi. 16:04 They're not that important to the game. 16:05 Maybe reflavor nymphs as monkeys, and remove vanilla's monkeys that can't actually steal anything. 16:05 jonadab: why are you so keen on making a removalhack :P 16:05 LarienTelrunya: Because it *bugs you*. 16:05 heh, could have guessed 16:06 Also, because we're talking about a game that has everything including the kitchen sink; removing stuff that isn't worthwhile is probably the best way to improve the game's overall level of quality. 16:06 But mostly because it bugs you. 16:07 heh, you make your removal variant, I want nothing to do with that :D not gonna remove stuff from slex, especially not just for the sake of removing it 16:08 it's bad enough that "vanilla" (the variant that everyone is playing nowadays) removed erosion from rings and the ability to dual-wield with a bow 16:09 Still think they should remove MC. 16:09 And possibly MonMR. 16:09 And zruty. 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64350 16:10 And lemures. 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:951 16:10 why does nobody like zruties :( they're soooooo fleecy! 16:10 And all of the polearms except lance, halberd, mattock, and maybe pike. 16:10 <{Demo}4> I am pro zruty 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:64358 16:11 also, slex has a special mode where the player always has MC0, jonadab: I created that specially for you, try it! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 16:11 didn't realize fully healing was smoky... 16:11 <@riker> i understand monster MR but i dislike monster MR being called monster MR 16:11 LarienTelrunya: Nobody has any idea what a zruty is. Not only does it have no lore outside of NetHack, it also has no significance or distinctiveness in the game either. 16:11 also lance and mattock are no polearms :P 16:11 <{Demo}4> any you mean nethack 3.6? 16:11 jonadab: MC is probably here to stay due to them introducing the amulet of +2 MC 16:11 <{Demo}4> re: MC always being 0 16:11 LarienTelrunya: Whether lance and mattock are polearms depends which part of the code you look at, and what your definition is. 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9301 16:12 is a zruty like a gunyoki 16:12 They don't use polearm skill, except that lance does in Fourk. 16:12 jonadab: why is it necessary for someone to have any idea what a zruty is for it to be allowed to be in the game? by that logic, the drum stint reluctance in slex wouldn't be allowed to exist either because no one knows what that is :D 16:12 stenno: No, the word existed, but it was a generic bogey word for pretty much any monster that lives in the woods or mountains or other rural areas. 16:12 stenno: a fruity zruty 16:13 lol 16:13 The definition of "zruty" is so vague, that when I was trying to decide which mlet to move them to, I came up with six or eight roughly equally viable choices. 16:14 And when I realized what that implied about them, I came up with the idea to remove them. 16:14 one of the few nethack unique monsters 16:14 Might as well have a monster called "monster". 16:14 jonadab: slex does. :P 16:14 Of course it does. 16:15 also, you had eight other choices of moving the zruty to a letter but decided for the most boring choice??? wtf 16:15 jonadab and I are in the zruty-removal bunker under heavy fire 16:16 slovak dictionary translates "ozruti" as "ogre" 16:16 <{Demo}4> wait jonadab removed it? 16:16 zrutys are nasty 16:16 <{Demo}4> honestly I think removing it as a joke would be pretty funny 16:16 surprisingly hard hitting 16:16 mobileuser: O was one of the letters I considered putting zrutty in. 16:16 H was another. 16:16 <{Demo}4> do Y 16:16 @ was another. 16:16 <{Demo}4> like slashem 16:16 Y was another. 16:16 maybe I should make zruty clones for slex that have the letters J and A :P 16:16 The thing's so vaguely defined, it could be basically anything. Even T makes sense. 16:17 <{Demo}4> lol, yeah 16:17 named "fourkzruty" and "xzruty" (or "zrutx"), obviously :P 16:18 Also, Fourk didn't _entirely_ remove zruty. I just moved them to hallumons 16:18 anyway I guess I should go to bed and stop talking bullshit, because I tend to do that when I'm tired 16:18 You can still see them if hallucinating. 16:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:19 but I had to check: currently there's 32 different monsters with "zruty" as part of their name in slex 16:19 and 10 variations of "lemure" 16:20 [hdf-us] [fh] Wizra (phollenback) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 23603 points, T:1148, killed by a black pudding 16:20 anyway, goodnight ;) 16:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:22 <@riker> cya amy 16:23 Quick, someone put together a pull request for slex, that renames every monster to "[whatever its name previously was] lemure". 16:24 Or maybe half of them to "[whatever its name previously was] zruty" instead. 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9846 16:25 [hdf-us] [fh] Wizra (phollenback) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 22966 points, T:1109, killed by a black pudding 16:32 removing zruty gave me a nice epitaph 16:33 maybe they just needed a lowercase z monster 16:33 FR: put zruty into the 't' class so it will trapper or lurker above or zruty 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Val Dwa Fem Law), 17830 points, T:10585, killed by a quasit, while praying 16:34 -!- bugsniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 16:39 zru t 16:39 ikr? its in the name 16:40 literally 16:40 -!- misha has left #hardfought 16:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11098 16:42 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:42 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 16:42 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 16:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 16:47 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Fla Sok Fem Law), 460 points, T:911, killed by a boulder 16:48 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Sha Sok Fem Neu), 66 points, T:226, killed by a monster (Blahonir) 16:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:13104 16:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:17823 16:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:13188 16:51 aosdict: But don't you want your variant to have a zruty, and a pair of zrutys, and a giant zruty, and a dwarf zruty, and a red zruty, and a blue zruty, and a dissolved potato zruty, and a yturz cixelsyd? 16:52 is there a dump of junethack data anywhere? 16:52 I want a gnome zruty. 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:32248 16:53 ... and a gnome zruty, and a small Asian zruty, and a slave zruty, and a slexy zruty, and a fashion model zruty, and a naked zruty, and a horny zruty, and ... 16:54 ... a vorpal zruty 16:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:13768 16:55 Yes, a vorpal zruty, and a flying zruty, and an undead zruty, and a punished zruty, and a sokozruty, and ... 16:56 an electric zruty, and a parsed zruty, and a woke zruty, and a simple zruty, and a dogged zruty, and ... 16:56 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 16003 points, T:3570, quit 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58153 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58154 16:59 jonadab, are you ok? 17:00 * elenmirie_ prepares a soothing cup of tea 17:00 lol 17:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16061 17:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 238158 points, T:30477, quit 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:58487 17:11 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Ent Fem Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:13572 17:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] ApocalypseBird (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2291 points, T:1348, killed by a peasant 17:29 <@riker> !lastgame apocalypsebird 17:29 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/ApocalypseBird/dnethack/dumplog/1582419763.dnh.txt 17:30 <@riker> i thought that was fixed :( 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:32463 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:32465 17:33 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of brilliance", on T:32465 17:33 thought what was fixed? 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide gauntlets of power", on T:32466 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1409 points, T:2160, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant 17:56 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32865 17:57 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 17:57 hey, dnethack question - any tips on getting the sum of all to generate? 17:58 lol 17:58 <@riker> CoA spwans on astral if you haven't killed him (spawned is ok, just not killed) already 17:58 <@riker> otherwise, spam create monster on the Sum of All level 17:58 I spent most of junethack chasing that guy around 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:4050 17:59 <@riker> there's currently no way to do it well, mainly due to a lack of ideas on how to "summon" him properly 17:59 if you start seeing footprints they've already spawned, and they tend to end up camping around dlvl 1-5 or so after a while it seems 17:59 <@riker> eventually there will be something you can do to make him angery and appear at you 17:59 idk if he's biased to go upwards or something 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4123 17:59 <@riker> nah, but people tend to clear levels going down 17:59 <@riker> so you won't reload the lvl and make him tele again if he's above you 17:59 <{Demo}4> i still don't know why you chased him during junethack 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4217 18:03 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:07 is Sum of All generated hostile? 18:07 because I wanted the trophy and wasn't good enough to ascend 18:07 lol 18:07 <{Demo}4> not possible 18:08 <{Demo}4> the hardest part of the game is neutral quest 18:08 <{Demo}4> but yeah thats right that was the thought process 18:08 the hardest part of the game is going near drawbridges 18:08 think I had 3 deaths to those 18:08 <{Demo}4> the hardest part of the game is learning to FEAR those things 18:08 <{Demo}4> so, basically, the only way to play that isn't dumb is to get the vlad aols as soon as you safelycan 18:09 <{Demo}4> which is usually pretty early 18:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6323 18:13 Disruptor: center of all is the dude, sum of all is the level 18:13 CoA is generated peaceful until you've entered the sum of all level 18:13 while peaceful, he'll continuously levelport around the branch he's in. each time he does that, he leaves a footprint burned (not engraved or dust-written, burned) into the floor 18:14 so he'll stop zooping once you've hit the argentum golem level & he becomes hostile, basically 18:14 in practice - the odds for him to generate are hella low, so that's a serious pain to actually deal with, and since if you haven't killed him he pops up on astral, a 9 key win normally does that 18:15 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Ran Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading an apron, on T:3470 18:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 18:18 gotta cross a drawbridge or water to get to Vlad's 18:18 :^) 18:18 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1967 points, T:2993, quit 18:19 <{Demo}4> yeah but there's no one there with striking 18:19 <{Demo}4> just don't be bad at zapping the gates from the distance 18:20 <{Demo}4> or it could blow up in your faces 18:20 <{Demo}4> literally 18:21 lessons learnt the hard way 18:22 <@Dr. Granola> how do I check the dungeon layout 18:22 in terms of getting all the keys, I can't end on the astral plane with all nine, can I? I obviously have to consume three of them to get to Gehennom 18:22 <@Dr. Granola> as in recall what features are on what floors? 18:23 <@Dr. Granola> shops, fountains, sinks, etc 18:23 ctrl-o or #overview 18:25 <@Dr. Granola> thank you 18:26 <{Demo}4> I'm still not over the inc ana I lost to those bridges 18:28 I had one where a deep one committed sudoku by zapping striking when we were both on a bridge 18:28 think you chewed me out for that one as I wasn't wearing lifesaving, heh 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3177 18:31 <{Demo}4> yes, good you mentioned that I already did cause I was ready to now, lol 18:31 <{Demo}4> instadeath is not balanced at all 18:31 <{Demo}4> the hard counter to instadeath is life saving which is whack and goofy 18:33 I wonder if you could kill lamashtu with one 18:33 <{Demo}4> you can 18:33 <{Demo}4> and demo 18:33 <{Demo}4> you just gotta get them lined up right 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:3454 18:33 <{Demo}4> and be able to zap striking right 18:33 <{Demo}4> it is non trivial 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] filthy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a tripe ration, on T:3460 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 761 points, T:3581, poisoned by a rotted rabid rat corpse 18:34 when I first messed up at lamashtu she struggled to hit me quite a few times 18:34 <@Dr. Granola> rip 18:34 <@Dr. Granola> ate a rotten corpse 18:34 if I wasn't panicking maybe I could have done it 18:35 <{Demo}4> panicking from madness? 18:35 <{Demo}4> or irl? 18:35 irl lol 18:35 <{Demo}4> man i used to have servere heart rate issues on Astral 18:35 <{Demo}4> like shit was intense as fuck 18:36 <{Demo}4> I'm glad I'm well past that 18:36 that sort of adrenaline rush was p much me everywhere in dnh gehennom lol 18:36 everything was new and dangerous 18:36 and then the advice was 'do NOT approach [x demon]' puts you on edge 18:37 -!- Disruptor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37 think I saw suggestions to nerf rodney getting the amulet for you 18:37 so I'm sure I'll be full on fear mode for the sanctum next time 18:39 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Pilferer, on T:13155 18:43 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 39976 points, T:14894, killed by an ogre king 18:49 <@Sig> That rodney nerf scares me, I've literally never left the stairs on the dnh sanctum. 18:53 <@Dr. Granola> >read up on xnethack >made by aosdict Oh 18:55 <@Dr. Granola> hm think I'll keep playing the base game actually though 18:56 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12373 points, T:5572, killed by a leocrotta 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 23 points, T:197, killed by a bear trap 19:02 -!- bouquet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 !lastgame nabru 19:04 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1594673264.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt 19:04 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 19:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Sara, the Last Oracle, on T:18016 19:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18 <@www> > hm > think I'll keep playing the base game actually though @Dr. Granola I only play xnethack, so many useful things for a noob like me 19:19 <@www> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/XNetHack#Frustration_and_tedium_removals 19:19 <@www> like most of these lol 19:19 <@www> >Remove the poison instadeath entirely. 19:28 <@Dr. Granola> >eat little dog corpse >game says it may have been a bad idea >look it up >Aggravate monster Shit 19:30 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5846 points, T:3753, killed by a white unicorn 19:31 -!- rikersan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 640 points, T:1042, killed by a glass piercer 19:39 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of Thidwick, the former Digger, on T:991 19:40 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:40 -!- Agrius has joined #hardfought 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 896 points, T:3141, killed by a pony 19:42 <@Dr. Granola> shit 19:43 <@Dr. Granola> fell down a trapdoor, got run down by a pony 19:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1694 19:46 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2678 points, T:1259, killed by an ape, while fainted from lack of food 19:54 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of stenno, the former Skirmisher, on T:1268 19:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 5065 points, T:2106, killed by a watchman zombie 19:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 216 points, T:406, killed by a small mimic 19:58 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:00 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Ent Fem Cha), 129105 points, T:26244, killed by a monster (astral elemental) 20:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 164 points, T:538, killed by a jackal 20:08 [hdf-us] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2892 points, T:2336, killed by a jaguar, while frozen by a potion 20:09 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 20:11 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:62228 20:23 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of charlotte, the former Valkyrie, on T:5266 20:25 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:5406 20:30 <@www> > >eat little dog corpse > >game says it may have been a bad idea > >look it up > >Aggravate monster > Shit @Dr. Granola This is only if it was your pet right? 20:30 I think it's true of all domesticated animals (dogs & cats) 20:30 <@www> ah good to know 20:30 <@Dr. Granola> applies to all of the type 20:30 <@www> not ponies? 20:30 The thing that matters whether it was tame or not is sacrifice 20:31 Nah ponies are good eats lol 20:31 <@www> nothing like a whole warhorse when you're hungry 20:41 DrGranola, always carry some food and fruit in your inventory. Then you can tame pets (dogs, cats and horses) or at least make them peacefum by throwing the food at them 20:42 *peaceful 20:42 <@Dr. Granola> oh that's good to know 20:43 if you throw food a particular domesticated animal doesn't like (e.g. throw an apple at a dog or a food ration at a horse) it will make them peaceful, whereas if you throw food they like (fruits/veggies for horse, meat for dogs & cats) they will be tamed 20:44 exactly 20:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Big Room, on T:25252 20:56 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 20:59 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Val Dwa Fem Law), 179 points, T:674, killed by a magic missile 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Malcanthet, on T:94358 21:22 [hdf-us] [4k] Indi (phollenback) (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14213 21:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Agrius (Val Dwa Nbn Law), 71 points, T:393, killed by a goblin 21:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Fierna, on T:95907 21:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 479 points, T:1975, killed by a wand 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] DrGranola (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Belial, on T:95976 22:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:24 -!- qt_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 22:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Dagon, on T:97103 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a perforated amulet on an altar, on T:3060 22:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:97673 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3105 points, T:3331, killed by a soldier ant 22:57 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 22:58 ok, can someone tell me what the point is of the trephination kit in dnethack? 22:58 <@riker> magical tool, so good for polypiling 22:58 <@riker> but the intended use is that you can remove a glyph you gained, if you decide you don't want it anymore 22:58 what's magical about it 22:59 real life trepanning wasn't magic 22:59 wish it could be used for extracting insanity instead 22:59 <@riker> you're drilling into your own brain to remove the radiant pyramid impaling your consciousness 22:59 <@riker> and/or the beast hiding in the corner of your mind 23:00 <@riker> the actual thought msgs are weird af sometimes, there's no way you're doing anything without magic: https://paste.ee/p/pyUyh 23:00 <{Demo}4> it's definitely non mundane 23:01 <@riker> i'm still not certain where the line between magic stuff vs. non-magical but extradimensional stuff is 23:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Verier, on T:98015 23:08 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:8186 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 335 points, T:1349, killed by a goblin 23:12 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 16389 points, T:8395, killed by a forest centaur 23:18 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 23:19 -!- Agrius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Crone Lilith, on T:99038 23:23 -!- Disruptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 776 points, T:1283, killed by a dwarf 23:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 224 points, T:404, killed by a grid bug 23:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 556 points, T:577, killed by a small mimic