00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:73045 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic harp", on T:73048 00:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed A'gone, on T:34512 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:73116 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:73164 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3951932 points, T:73184, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grassy/nethack/dumplog/1592403102.nh.html 00:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:20 -!- tglenhab has joined #hardfought 00:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:21 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:20188 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1989 points, T:3213, killed by a Woodland-elf 00:29 [hdf-us] [4k] charles (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 26034 points, T:13560, killed by a tiger 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh4] Bill (billum) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7352 points, T:56, killed by a goblin 00:33 -!- {Demo}2 has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- {Demo} has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:22773 00:46 -!- bugsniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) became the Hand of Lolth, on T:37297 01:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:20725 01:01 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:01 <@www> !who 01:01 @www: [hdf-us] klintos [nh370] lapis [dnh] phollenback [fh] charles [4k] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] www [xnh] 01:02 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:37911 01:06 -!- tglenhab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:23877 01:10 -!- tglenhab has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- tglenhab_ has joined #hardfought 01:13 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15 -!- tglenhab has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Raisse (Mon Hlf Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:21963 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:24852 01:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Raisse (Mon Hlf Fem Law), 208194 points, T:24366, killed by a nalfeshnee of Moloch 01:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:22499 01:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1047 01:37 !set mintc 5000 01:38 !setmintc 5000 01:38 raisse: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for raisse set to 5000 01:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) was given Giantslayer, on T:22938 01:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:39840 01:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:39933 01:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:40032 01:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:40141 02:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:23831 02:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:40221 02:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:40234 02:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:40472 02:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:40639 02:29 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1317 points, T:5471, killed by a fox 02:31 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- spicycat has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:49 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:42108 02:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:58 -!- tglenhab_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- tglenhab_ has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- tglenhab_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:57 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:16 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 04:19 [hdf-us] [evil] darkmiz (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3212 points, T:4867, killed by a quasit 04:31 !tell Agrius sounds like you're starting a cult and you are the leader! :) 04:31 No worries, bhaak, I've got this! 04:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:44 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:59 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 05:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:2281 05:20 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:37 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 05:38 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Client Quit] 05:41 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:45 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:51 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:57 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 06:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) became the Champion of Camaxtli!, on T:34473 06:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) was given Premium Heart, on T:35622 06:54 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:15 nice, premium heart as a gift 07:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:31 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Grue, on T:39765 07:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:56 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:02 !whereis nabru 08:02 nabru: [hdf-us] nabru [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 08:03 stenno. stenno. stennoooooooooooo T_T 08:04 The giant spider's bite was poisoned! The poison was deadly... 08:04 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:04 I was so exited to use Grays I got real dumb. DX 08:05 oh damn it thappened 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 43204 points, T:1901, poisoned by a giant spider 08:06 well, I hope that leaves bones for someone 08:06 DL7. 08:06 we have, at least, conclusively confirmed that NH4 does still feature poison instadeath. .-. 08:06 :x 08:07 I am slowly (over decades) learning to appreciate the value in optimizing early gains for survival and not trying to build end-game kit before the game truly gets started 08:07 (but I'm still bad at it XD) 08:08 being alive >>> having a bag of holding 08:08 (actually, i died with three unused wishes 08:08 which is really the bigger travesty. 08:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3272 08:09 ouch 08:09 -!- farfar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10 -!- farfar_ has joined #hardfought 08:15 -!- farfar_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:15 -!- farfar_ has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 08:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:30 !who 08:30 K2: [hdf-us] fizzbin [slshm] Grassy [nh370] hackedhead [nh4] musicdemon [slex] Som [dnh] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:42 !coffee 08:42 * Beholder hands nabru a mug of Blend 43, prayed over by Announcy at 43 degrees Celsius. 08:46 !who 08:46 K2: [hdf-us] fizzbin [slshm] Grassy [nh370] hackedhead [nh4] spicycat [nh4] Som [dnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] wvc [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:46 hackedhead: correct, i see it that way - your goal in the early game is not to ascend, but to reach the castle wow safely 08:47 and this also considers an early wow - you should make wishes that make you reach the castle safely 08:47 right 08:47 there's some overlap 08:47 (like SDSM) 08:47 yep 08:47 SDSM, MR, [oProt 08:47 but then also some thing like poison resistance 08:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed Greased +3 Blue Dragon Scale Mail", on T:6168 08:48 boh and speed boots are less important, those are 'castle wishes' once you get it 08:48 !tell K2 I got this error luaL_loadbuffer: Error loading (nhlib.lua): [string "(nhlib.lua)"]:44: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 43) near when going down stairs. Went down, then up, then down again and it didn't happen again 08:48 Will do, nabru! 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11095 points, T:155, killed by a falling rock 08:48 might even consider wishing for tonal 08:49 nabru you must have logged on right as I was updating 370-hdf 08:49 K2: Message from nabru at 2020-07-01 08:48 EDT: I got this error luaL_loadbuffer: Error loading (nhlib.lua): [string "(nhlib.lua)"]:44: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 43) near when going down stairs. Went down, then up, then down again and it didn't happen again 08:49 oh I see 08:49 why i was doing !who so much :P 08:49 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 08:49 brb 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2270 08:57 K2: dgl doesn't have something that lets you temporarily suspend access to a game while you're updating it? 08:59 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ellie (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31208 points, T:2947, killed by an elf zombie 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed darkmiz's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:2824 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3206 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3410 points, T:3210, killed by a black pudding 09:06 !tea 09:06 * Beholder pours raisse a shot of Patron Silver tequila, fermented by Izchak at 179 degrees Fahrenheit. 09:06 since when is that tea? 09:07 * raisse has a RL cup of Sikkim First Flush 09:07 !water 09:07 !tea 09:07 * Beholder throws raisse a shot of Earl Grey tea, replicated by Rodney at 5 degrees Fahrenheit. 09:07 yes, if it's that cold it's throwable 09:08 * nabru gives raisse a wand of fire to warm up the tea 09:11 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:11 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:15 aosdict: technically yeah but it's not a turn on/turn off kind of thing. the work involved isnt worth it 09:17 lol, found Grimtooth in a shop, almost killed myself picking it up. 09:20 never underestimate a player's tendency to go "ooh shiny!" 09:20 <{Demo}2> what is shiny about grimtooth? 09:20 "oooh... shiny!!! OW OW OW" 09:20 <{Demo}2> isn't it total ass garbage? 09:23 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:21563 09:23 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21568 09:24 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:26 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:22142 09:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ellie (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 29077 points, T:2547, killed by a kitten 09:28 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4476 09:28 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 719 points, T:2382, killed by a baby owlbear, while fainted from lack of food 09:30 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:22320 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:7 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4638 09:33 {Demo}2: +1 to everything is a lot better than most of the banes 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 352 points, T:1347, killed by a housecat called Smut 09:38 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 298 points, T:994, killed by a Kop Sergeant 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 3008 points, T:7482, killed by a soldier ant 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 641 points, T:1850, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 996 points, T:1938, killed by a vampire 09:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:57 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 916 points, T:1720, killed by a fog cloud 10:06 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:25753 10:09 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:26152 10:14 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:13452 10:21 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:29505 10:23 trophy get! 10:23 oh wait... 10:23 :P 10:24 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:41268 10:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 upgrade kits", on T:41301 10:34 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29914 10:43 <{Demo}2> :( 10:43 <{Demo}2> julyhack time 10:47 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 10:47 !pom 10:47 NAOrsa: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 3 days. 10:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:53957 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26143 10:59 take that 10:59 [hdf-us] [slex] qt (Fox Hax Fem Neu) shouted "hi", on T:3298 11:01 hax 11:02 what race is that? 11:14 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 8351 points, T:10429, killed by an owlbear 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30412 points, T:1671, killed by a hill orc 11:18 [hdf-us] [slex] qt (Fox Hax Fem Neu) killed the zyborg of nabru, the former Metal Woman, on T:4338 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 9891 points, T:7055, killed by a Woodland-elf 11:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:45696 11:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:37 !rng eh | dnh 11:37 amateurhour: dnh 11:41 -!- moony has quit [Quit: Bye!] 11:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:48 <@riker> mood 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1205 points, T:1669, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 11:52 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 166 points, T:605, killed by Mr. Akalapi; the shopkeeper 12:02 is 'decider' a real world or is that something that bush made up 12:02 word even 12:04 all words are made up 12:06 fair point 12:06 but it is a word that bush specifically made up 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] gunkimono (hello) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 13433 points, T:1143, killed by a grid bug 12:07 Decider is both a real word and a "Bushism" 12:07 what gives 12:07 can only be one of the two 12:08 it's a real word 12:13 is this george w bush 12:16 yes 12:17 7. “I’m the decider, and I decide what is best. And what’s best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense.”—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006 12:17 this is listed as a bushism 12:17 perhaps it's not a common word in the US? 12:18 It's not hugely common, but the -er suffix is the standard way to take a verb and make a noun for the person who does that; and "decide" doesn't already have a different form of said noun, so "decider" is correct. 12:19 The most common way to say it is probably "decision maker", but that's periphrastic. 12:20 You could also just say "boss". 12:20 But that has slightly different connotations. 12:20 I think 'decider' has been used for centuries though 12:20 I don't doubt that; the -er suffix is very standard. 12:21 me as a non-native speaker knows this word primarily as a bushism 12:21 but i have also seen it in 'normal' contexts so i am really confused 12:22 heh just googled it and wiktionary lists a reference from 1667 12:22 Well, as I said, it's not nearly as common as "decision maker". 12:22 In contemporary usage, at least. 12:22 right, hmm 12:23 But less common words aren't automatically wrong. Sometimes they're actually more formal, or more academic. 12:23 In this case, I think it's just an alternative. 12:24 I mean it's used quite commonly tbh 12:24 'that is the decider of whether we do this or not' 12:25 Oh, for an inaminate decider; yeah, "decision maker" would normally not be used for that case. 12:25 Compare "determiner". 12:27 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3173 points, T:4793, killed by a water demon 12:28 There *are* verbs that don't use the -er suffix. The most common class of these, are the ones that use -or instead. Administrator, creator, vendor, survivor, etc. 12:29 But if "determinor" is attested, I'm not aware of it. 12:29 I was very confused the other day by the spelling of Implementor/Implementer 12:29 Or "decidor" 12:29 I've almost always used Implementor when talking about the one that implements the thing I'm describing 12:29 but it seems that might not be right 12:30 Actually, I think that one goes both ways. Which is less common, but it's not the only one. 12:30 Compare cactuses vs cacti 12:30 (Both are considered valid.) 12:31 and octopuses vs octopodes 12:31 octopodes would only make sense if the singular were octopous, which it isn't, in English. 12:31 But octopi is about as common as octopuses. 12:31 it's from a greek root, not latin, so octopi is unambiguously wrong 12:32 <@riker> octopeese? 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] regulus (okonkwo) (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 6359 points, T:463, killed by a jackal 12:32 It's from a Latin-ified Greek root. The -us ending in the singular is a Latin form. 12:32 The plural octopi is hypercorrect, coming from the mistaken notion that the -us in octopūs is a Latin second declension ending. The word is actually treated as a third declension noun in Latin. The plural octopodes follows the Ancient Greek plural, ὀκτώποδες (oktṓpodes). The plural octopii is based on an incorrect attempt to pluralise the word based on an incorrect assumption of 12:32 its origin, and is rare and widely considered to be nonstandard. 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Crom, on T:16867 12:33 Right, the word "octopus" is not attested in that form in Latin itself. 12:33 The person who imported it into English, took the Greek root and corrected it to sound Latin. 12:33 Hence, "octopus". 12:33 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 12:33 octopod would make more sense then 12:33 Doing the same thing with the plural gives you "octopi", or using the standard English declension gives you "octopuses". 12:34 as a singular 12:35 The actual Greek singular would transliterate as octopous (or possibly octopoys, but that's horrible). 12:35 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:35 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 6514 points, T:1481, quit 12:35 i thought -pod was foot 12:35 The root is *octopod 12:36 But the nominative singular masculine ending is -s 12:36 And a dental can't come before an s in Greek, so it drops out; and the vowel lengthens to compensate. 12:36 Standard delta-stem stuff. 12:36 Happens with tau stems also. 12:37 (If the word is masculine; a lot of tau stem words, including almost all -mat stem words, are neuter, in which case there's no ending, so the tau just drops off and you end up with -a, as in pneuma, from *pneumat). 12:38 pneuma is a great word 12:38 English, of course, treats the initial p as a silent letter, because initial pn isn't possible in our phonotactics. 12:39 oh? 12:39 oh right 12:39 So it's pronounced /NOO-ma/ in English. 12:39 newmonia 12:39 pneumonia 12:39 Yes. 12:39 We do the same thing with initial pt, ps, gn, kn, ... 12:40 well i knew (hah) about kn 12:40 so pterodactyl is terodactyl? 12:40 in english? 12:40 Yes. 12:40 interesting 12:40 And Psychologist starts with an S sound. 12:40 gnosis, gnome 12:40 right 12:40 And gnostic sounds nike NOSS-tic. 12:40 Yes. 12:40 gnocchi 12:40 gnostic gnocchi 12:41 well we say 'nocchi' in german too 12:41 from the pasta masta 12:41 without the g 12:41 <@riker> gnelf, gnoblin 12:41 We say either 'gnocchi' or 'nhoque' in Portuguese. "Gnocchi" sounds more posh 12:42 What's great is, we even do this with long-standing Germanic words like knife and know. 12:48 oh yeah we say 'Knief' in low germn 12:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:16892 12:51 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 1326 points, T:778, killed by a monster (ice toad) 12:51 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52 stenno: And you pronounce the K? 12:52 I've long been curious about when we stopped doing so. 12:52 !PoM 12:52 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 3 days. 13:01 yes 13:01 Kneipe too 13:01 german for 'pub' 13:01 do you say 'Nossos' for Knossos then lol 13:02 like where the labyrinth is, on crete 13:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Inc Mal Cha) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:68125 13:03 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyra (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:11, killed by overexertion 13:11 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:12 -!- klintos_ has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7065 13:13 -!- klintos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:14 stenno: even though you got the g is silent correct, it's still wrong to say "notschi" :-} 13:15 -!- farfar_ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:15 -!- Announcy has quit [*.net *.split] 13:15 -!- Muad has quit [*.net *.split] 13:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2029 13:18 -!- farfar has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 13:21 bhaak: nokki 13:21 looks finnish 13:22 nokia 13:22 lamburdschini 13:23 I would write it (pseudo) German phonetically: njoki 13:23 yep 13:23 if you can afford a lambo, you are allowed to pronounce it however you want 13:23 haha 13:24 -!- ilbelkyr has joined #hardfought 13:25 :) 13:25 'wenn es lamburdschini ist, dann muesste es auch spadschetti sein!' 13:26 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:26 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 13:26 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 13:26 -!- nicole has quit [*.net *.split] 13:26 -!- dopplergange has quit [*.net *.split] 13:26 -!- ilbelkyr is now known as nicole 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 317 points, T:1355, killed by a kitten 13:29 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 13:29 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 13:29 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 13:29 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 13:29 does anyone know of a wiki page or blog where someone has calculated the chance that a wishing wand is in sokoban? 13:30 i can skip those garbage levels wrt reflection/boh 13:31 there's the guaranteed wand per level 13:32 which should have the normal probablity as anywhere else for a Wow 13:32 if you've already seen one wand on the level, you shouldn't need to search further, I guess 13:33 spicycat: thats trivial, isn't it? 13:33 chance for a specific wand to be wishing is 0.5% 13:33 oh, i thought soko had a ton of wands in it. maybe that was just a first impression. or a variant 13:34 stenno: Yes, /NOSS-us/ 13:34 each level has a single wand 13:34 jonadab: hah lol 13:34 thats strange 13:35 At least we don't make it /NO-suss/ 13:35 A lot of Greek omicrons do get turned into omega, depending on their phonetic context. 13:36 lol right 13:36 Also, we pronounce Tokyo as three syllables. 13:36 /TOE-key-oh/ 13:36 tokeeyo? 13:36 blep 13:36 Because y is almost always vocalic in English; the only time it's not, is when it's the first letter in the syllable. 13:37 Just don't ask about /eks-ZAYV-ee-ur/ 13:38 (Xavier) 13:39 yeah i don't understand that 13:39 i thought the x-man guy was written exavier for a long time 13:39 i mean you don't say exylophone (presumably) 13:41 No, that one is /ZIE-la-fone/ 13:41 so should xnethack have the Z pronunciation? 13:41 ZIE-net-hak 13:41 or ZEE 13:42 /ZNET-hack/ 13:42 do you guys call it xnethack or xnethack? I personally say xnethack 13:42 ZIEnethack 13:42 bzz bzzzt! 13:42 -!- nabruII has joined #hardfought 13:42 I say xnethack 13:42 amateurhour no, its xnethack 13:42 if I intended it to be pronounced 'z-nethack' I would have named it that 13:42 wut i always thought it was xnethack 13:42 Dont' get the Brits involved in this. They'll start saying Zednethack next. 13:42 zeds dead baby 13:42 you know what they say, tomato tomato 13:42 Led Xepllin 13:43 You mean Lead XepLN? 13:43 <@riker> i always read xnethack as ex-nethack 13:43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_orthography#Letter_names_and_pronunciations 13:43 <@riker> like, it used to be nethack 13:43 so, /ʃis/-nethack 13:44 or just make nethack a symbol. 'the game formerly known as 'nethack'' 13:44 for tax purposes 13:44 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:44 Just replace the entire name with half a dozen of the weirder emoji, the ones that no font actually contains glyphs for. 13:45 💯hack 13:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46 hah 13:47 💩hack 13:47 err 13:47 i knew stenno was gonna do that 13:47 that shouldn't be a diss against xnethack 13:47 You have to recover the 📿 from the 🧙 in the ⛪ 13:48 -!- nabruII has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:49 @riker that's not it, it's the x is either meaningless or means "experimental", take your pick 13:49 <@riker> experimental nethack it is 13:49 of course, that was back when I was intending to reset to vanilla every so often 13:49 so it made more sense 13:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sidon (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by a falling rock 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh4] Tineye (Sidon) (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 6724 points, T:86, killed by a fox 13:53 [hdf-us] [slex] qt (Fox Hax Fem Neu), 66968 points, T:9244, killed by a monster (percenti opens a gate!) 13:53 tineye, eh 13:53 wonder who that is 13:54 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 13:54 <@riker> not I 13:56 <@riker> huh, TIL k2 is a NAO admin now 13:56 <@riker> congrats k2? I think i'm a good bit slow on that one 13:57 :P 14:02 * NAOrsa lifts fedora to K2 for taking admin responsibility <3 14:02 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: rebootin'] 14:02 thanks :) 14:02 !beer K2 14:02 NAOrsa: Burrrrp! 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh4] tinuviel (Sidon) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 8460 points, T:1164, killed by a falling rock 14:04 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05 lol 14:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:06 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:2395 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh4] sas (Sidon) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12819 points, T:269, killed by a jackal 14:12 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:14 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 cloak of protection", on T:31306 14:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43144 14:16 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 helm of telepathy", on T:31311 14:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Shelob, on T:48986 14:21 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 excalibur", on T:31354 14:21 woop 14:22 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of power", on T:31355 14:22 got the +5? 14:23 no 14:23 on the helm I did 14:23 nice 14:24 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:31407 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:10376 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3642 points, T:4662, killed by a gnomish wizard 14:28 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 195 points, T:522, killed by a hobbit 14:30 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31687 14:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13500 points, T:11309, killed by a leocrotta 14:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Ana And Mal Neu), 61366 points, T:9353, killed by a stone giant 14:42 :( 14:42 something drained my str way down to 6 and I didn't play it out very well 14:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:21623 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sauron (Sidon) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 20509 points, T:1252, killed by a kobold lord 14:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible high shaman of Moloch, on T:50369 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] FedoraHat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 719 points, T:979, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food 14:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 215 points, T:813, killed by a crossbow bolt 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] FedoraHat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, killed by a contaminated potion 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Plik (Val Dwa Fem Law), 213 points, T:2716, died of starvation, while fainted 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh4] googas (Sidon) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 16190 points, T:700, killed by a fox 14:56 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 469 points, T:1674, killed by a crossbow bolt 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3647 14:58 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 105 points, T:389, killed by a fox 15:00 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 177 points, T:663, killed by a fox 15:01 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 111 points, T:190, killed by a grid bug 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 421 points, T:1404, killed by a wand 15:01 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:32825 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] FedoraHat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 191 points, T:657, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4497 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4497 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dwarvish cloak on an altar, on T:4501 15:05 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 533 points, T:1305, killed by Ms. Tapper; the shopkeeper 15:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1490 15:11 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2197 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh4] Elle (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 17301 points, T:995, killed by a small mimic 15:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ana And Mal Neu), 487169 points, T:22373, killed by a psychic blast 15:14 my club just advanced to the 2nd football league fuck yeah 15:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Con Hlf Fem Cha), 79 points, T:106, killed by a grid bug 15:20 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:21 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law), 2973 points, T:2492, killed by a giant ant 15:24 -!- sacredchao has joined #hardfought 15:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Lungorthin, on T:51029 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:5404 15:36 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:720 15:39 aols, or magic marker? 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