00:15 [hdf-us] [slshm] fitsf (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2762 points, T:1743, killed by something while blind 00:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30056 00:20 Why do you need HoOA, @microlance? 00:20 dammit I missed K2's 100th ascension. Congrats K2!! 00:22 <@riker> tangles, latest dnh version added an awfully balanced mechanic where you can give your wep 2x acid dmg 00:22 <@riker> only useable by chaotic, ana, binder 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1356 00:23 <@www> damn it! 00:23 <@riker> 10/10 flawless mechanic with zero issues 00:23 <@www> sometimes I just don't know what to do in a situation... 00:24 <@microlance> and its cool to be a rebellious cultist who worships a black goat mother god 00:24 <@riker> I just try dumb stuff and see what happens www 00:24 <@riker> if it works sick if it doesnt ah well 00:24 <@riker> time to try again 00:24 <@www> its usually 'I've been swarmed. what do I do now?' 00:24 <@www> attack or run 00:24 <@www> Elbereth never seems to work for me 00:24 <@www> this time it was killer bees 00:25 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1510 points, T:4237, killed by a dingo 00:34 <@www> I think I killed my dog while hallucinating : ( 00:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Pir Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3217 00:36 [hdf-us] [4k] Indi (phollenback) (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:6102 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:15124 00:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:30564 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] 2five6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:44181 00:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Ana Hum Fem Neu) killed The Good Neighbor, on T:36935 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] 2five6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:44204 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] 2five6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:44213 00:48 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] 2five6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 2522148 points, T:44233, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/2/2five6/nh343/dumplog/1592018755.nh343.txt 00:54 <@www> so.. I fell through a trap door into a vault 00:54 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:54 <@www> idk how to get out 00:54 <@www> I read my only scroll in hopes of teleportation 00:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had a pair of padded gloves entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:15479 00:54 <@www> and a friendly gnome lord is now stuck in the vault with me lmao 00:55 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 00:55 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:56 -!- tommo has left #hardfought 00:56 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:58 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2321 00:59 <@www> fixed it 00:59 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in three variants" unlocked by 2five6! 00:59 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in four variants" unlocked by 2five6! 00:59 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended two variants" unlocked by 2five6! 00:59 Junethack: 2five6 ascended a game of NetHack 3.4.3 on www.hardfought.org! 01:01 -!- Agrius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 <@www> is a flipped sokoban a 3.6/7 thing 01:04 <@www> or an unethack thing 01:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31496 01:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31500 01:14 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/724492515805364234/unknown.png 01:14 <@www> I think I screwed up.. 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:30520 01:21 yeah you have to break some boulders there. 01:22 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3181 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:31246 01:26 <@www> scroll of taming + throne room = chaos 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Cav Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:31320 01:33 <@www> For what do you wish? 01:33 <@www> aw yeah 01:33 [hdf-us] [un] Cuchullain (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 8187 points, T:10311, killed by a white naga hatchling, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:33 <@www> throne wish 01:34 <@www> silver or grey dragon mail? I screwed up sokoban so don't get reflection 01:35 <@Sig> What class? 01:35 <@www> valk 01:35 <@Sig> I tend to prefer GDSM on Valk, you can get reflection from a shield. Reflection is better early game than MR though 01:36 <@www> well I'm level 6 :p pretty early 01:37 is it pretty safe in dnh to rush downwards for the SoR in perseus statue? 01:37 instead of full clearing every level and potentially suffering more wand attacks 01:37 <@Sig> You might not get the shield in dnh, you could get the Grue 01:38 <@Sig> So in that sense it's kinda dangerous. 01:38 [hdf-us] [sp] Cuchullain (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3111 points, T:2690, killed by a soldier ant 01:39 hrmm 01:39 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3517 01:39 what if www wished for dragonlance, mirror brand, etc? 01:39 to leave room for GDSM later 01:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:34459 01:40 <@www> can thrones grant more than 1 wish? 01:41 <@Sig> Oh, you're playing xnh? I don't know much about that variant actually. Sorry, thought you were playing Vanilla 01:41 oh, i thought www was playing dnh, i'm not in ##nethack-variants 01:41 lol 01:41 <@www> I think I might leave the throne for now and not push my luck lol 01:41 well, xnh is very vanillish, normal advice should apply 01:42 <@www> time to go back up, get excalibur and do the mines 01:44 <@Sig> Spicy, I usually wish for blue DSM or Quicksilver first in dnh, the speed is valuable and there are lots of guaranteed sources of MR. 01:44 <@Sig> And I usually get reflection pretty easily too 01:48 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by Cuchullain! 01:50 [hdf-us] [gh] Cuchullain (Hea Gia Mal Neu), 665 points, T:1059, killed by a rothe 01:55 have 3.7 dragons been upgraded to use their breath weapon when adjacent to the player (like FIQhack?) 01:57 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in seven variants" unlocked by Cuchullain! 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Cuchullain (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:762 01:58 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:4449 02:00 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4550 02:01 <@www> a cursed thoroughly rusty +1 long sword (weapon in hand) 02:01 <@www> nice 02:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Cuchullain (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 536 points, T:1360, killed by a Grey-elf 02:06 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eight variants" unlocked by Cuchullain! 02:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 tiny bone mattock", on T:34466 02:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:32 <@www> W - a blessed +6 ring of protection (on left hand) 02:32 <@www> heck yeah what a find 02:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:35249 02:34 sooooo 02:34 who here believes in aliens 02:35 huh? huh? 02:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:42 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Nbn Cha) murdered Nicodemus, their faithful giant rat, on T:231 02:46 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Nbn Cha), 351 points, T:1224, killed by a sewer rat 02:47 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 02:50 [hdf-au] [xnh] www (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6516 02:52 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 308 points, T:1212, killed by a dwarf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 02:54 <@www> I did? 02:54 <@www> sweet 02:54 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 02:55 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased obsidian amulet of life saving", on T:35981 03:00 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Hum Mal Cha), 249 points, T:1271, killed by a hobbit 03:23 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:29 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Rog Inf Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:1743 03:30 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 1607 points, T:2124, killed by a dingo 03:33 @www flipped sokoban was first an unnethack thing, and then a slex and 3.7 thing (which means, that anybody incorporating 3.7 has it which should be AFAIK only xnethack so far) but only unnethack has dropped the luck penalties 03:33 bhaak: Message from K2 at 2020-06-21 20:59 EDT: [backscroll] oh yeah tell me about it. I have my etherpad open whenever I'm playing evilhack, i've added probably 30-40 extra things to the to-do in just the last three weeks :P 03:33 wtf how did that ping me 03:33 LarienTelrunya: "slex" 03:34 bhaak: what the hell, flipped sokoban is *not* a slex thing, in fact flipped anyspeciallevels are not a slex thing and not planned to ever be either 03:34 it's not? I thought it were. okay, my bad. you only like to screw players in non procedurally generated ways? :) 03:34 I thought the s in slex was for 'sadistic' 03:35 the s in slex stands for "whatever amy likeS" 03:35 flipped levels add nothing to the game, I'm too smart to fall for the "lol there's four times as many special levels!" ruse :P actually, they do add something: lots of bugs 03:36 faulty arrival locations on the planes and upon coming back up from the valley, malfunctioning drawbridges, monsters stuck in walls etc. etc. I'm not gonna have any of that in my game, thank you very much. :P 03:36 maybe there should be a small goodie when you solve unnethack's sokoban without any breaking any of the arbitrary sokoban rules ... maybe grant an additional point of luck? 03:39 LarienTelrunya: you know that I don't agree with the "it adds nothing". with the removal of the luck penalties I think it has some appeal for sokoban, and for some levels it does add a kind of variety. but I've also reduced the levels that can be affected over time and I think there are too many levels flipped in 3.7. 03:40 noone likes flipped sokoban 03:40 hurts the brain 03:40 lies, I do. and I think I've seen at least someone else claiming 03:40 to like it 03:40 bhaak: it adds nothing, the levels are the same and you just have to rotate them in your head :P also "removal of the luck penalty", that only applies to whichever variant does that 03:40 ya, its refreshing! 03:40 see 03:40 as I said, I'm too smart to fall for that clever "now there are four times as many levels" trick 03:40 LarienTelrunya: I'm not responsible for badly designed variants 03:40 wowie 03:41 I would rather have a larger pool of soko levels than flipped levels 03:41 sure! 03:41 i like flipped sokoban, because it hurts my brain 03:42 also, isn't it eight times as many? 03:43 I like flipped sokoban, because it gives me something to bitch about :P 03:43 it feels like a lot of new sokoban levels r nominally complicated but p easy 2 solve in sections 03:43 surely someone could make a procedurally generated sokoban 03:43 my impression has been that it must b difficult 2 design challenging puzzles 03:44 interesting Sokoban puzzles are hard to do 03:44 ^ 03:44 but I'd be interested in seeing someone try it in a variant 03:44 YASI: make a sokoban level that literally requires cheating to solve. oh wait, I already have that in slex! :D 03:45 the ones in the games are all taken from real life Sokoban puzzles which also means that they are not utilizing any of nethack's additional level features 03:45 since challenging levels r difficult 2 design, flipped levels make sense 2 me 03:45 there are sokoban puzzles in real life? 03:46 uve clearly never worked in a warehouse with strict rules about how 2 walk 03:46 there was once a posting to RGRN where somebody showed a sokoban level where you had to trigger boulder traps in the right sequence to solve it. but it was ultimately trivial to solve. 03:46 LarienTelrunya: did you assume it was a game invented for nethack? 03:46 LarienTelrunya: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokoban 03:46 LarienTelrunya: nah, I assumed it was a game invented by some Japanese guy 03:47 oh wait, why am I pinging myself :P wanted to ping bhaak 03:47 she meant "do you have to push boulders IRL too" or "are there monsters in there" 03:47 it makes as much sense as everything else :D 03:48 my first encounter with Sokoban was pushing the gold crates in a dragon hoard. 03:48 was a nice summer job 03:48 hehe 03:53 there are some papers on generating sokoban puzzles, but not in a nethack style 03:53 think they generate in the classic sokoban style, where goal squares are scattered around the level 03:54 could try repurpose some of those and fix the goal squares in a line 03:55 yes, that's the one condition nethack adds "you are not allowed to step on the target squares" 03:56 I just learned that there is a standard format for sokoban levels: http://sokobano.de/wiki/index.php?title=Level_format 03:57 more accurately, 'stepping on the target squares magically teleports you back to the starting square' 03:57 writing a program that filters through sokoban levels and finds levels that have the target squares in straight lines should be doable 03:58 seems wasteful, just fix the targets squares first 03:58 (except on the first level, where stepping on the target squares is ok but discuouraged) 03:59 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 387 points, T:947, killed by a small mimic 03:59 * Tangles wonders how he manages to play nethack at all with such terrible typing. 04:11 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58357 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:58359 04:39 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:58637 04:44 has anyone made diagonoban yet by any chance? 04:45 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:58715 04:46 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58718 04:48 yani: an invokable undo button that undoes any one boulder push you've made 04:48 should be yasi actually 04:49 yani: an artifact that allows you to go back in time 5 turns 04:49 as long as you didn't die yet 04:50 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58817 04:59 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:25 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by mackeyth! 05:25 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by mackeyth! 05:25 Junethack: mackeyth ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.6 on nethack.alt.org! 05:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:27 Something is engraved here on the headstone. You read: "Everybody's dead, Dave.". 05:27 Red Dwarf reference? 05:29 You read: "Tried to get to Oregon. Died of dysentery.". heheh 05:33 You fall into a open grave! It's a little early for that, isn't it? 05:33 Not seen that one before. 05:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3887 05:43 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:50 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- mackeyth has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2128 points, T:4472, killed by an owlbear 05:55 TIL wishing for a boulder in Sokoban isn't considered cheating 05:56 I suppose burning a wish on a boulder is harsh enough 05:57 carrying boulders as a giant works as well I think 05:57 [hdf-au] [un] ogmobot (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 26731 points, T:10096, killed by a bolt of cold 05:57 if you patch out 200iq ideas like that then I'll be sad 06:01 that works only because there are no luck penalties on the level when you solved the current level 06:01 that I consider a bug. 06:01 bringing boulders from outside into sokoban OTOH I wouldn't 06:02 lol what 06:02 you solved the puzzle legitimately 06:02 but you can take boulders you didn't need from the current level to the next sokoban level 06:03 I don't see the problem with that 06:03 I haven't yet found time to discuss this on the mailing list but I would be surprised if this is intentional 06:03 I'd be surprised too, but I feel like it's rewarding an unconventional strategy to leave it in 06:04 either luck penalties mean anything or they don't 06:04 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in three variants" unlocked by ogmobot! 06:04 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by ogmobot! 06:04 I know the Unsanctioned Fun police want to stop it, but it takes effort to do and doesn't ultimately save much time 06:04 :P 06:04 vanilla Sokoban IS punishing unconventional strategies. 06:05 you can say it's a regression. 3.4.3 didn't have this behavior 06:05 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59732 06:05 breaking boulders is a mistake, makes sense to punish that, doesn't make sense to punish most other things imo 06:06 especially after solving the puzzle 06:06 it does if it means you can use stuff from the current sokoban level to cheat in the next :-) 06:11 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:11 I suppose that's where we disagree 06:11 clever strategies should be rewarded imo 06:12 it's not a bug, it's a feature :^) 06:12 I both agree and disagree, that's why I disabled luck penalties in unnethack. 06:13 but when you do have luck penalties as in most other variants, you have to properly enforce them 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:41882 06:15 in evilhack L3 in most evil fashion made it have a luck penalty to use the giant strategy 06:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:37697 06:16 YASI: the abominable snowman sometimes spawns as the adorable snowman 06:18 is the abominable snowman a kind of giant? 06:19 isn't it a Y ? Like the yeti symbol? 06:19 haven't played evil in a while 06:20 it's a yeti but they're gigantic 06:20 lol forgot to pay attention to the glyph :-) 06:20 "But because it's easy for giants to manipulate boulders (unlike other races), the luck penalty is twice that of the usual Sokoban luck penalties" K2 you are evil! 06:21 ^ ah yes we had that whole discussion with K2 before 06:21 at first he outright removed it, but Team Whinge stepped in to preserve the fun :^) 06:23 just to be clear, I never suggested to remove it, just to penalize it :-) 06:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:24 booo hisss boooo 06:24 :P 06:27 -!- spicycat has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:30180 06:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide T-shirt of decay", on T:30248 06:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:30420 06:34 What is this message, "are you waiting to get hit?" ? never seen before 06:36 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Roo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7526 06:37 rebatela new 3.7 feature 06:38 yeah, but what does it mean? 06:38 you can't search or wait with a hostile monster next to you 06:38 unless you type m first 06:38 ahh ok thanks! 06:39 sounds silly 06:40 yeah i don't really get it... Is it so you don't hold down '.' and have a monster come along and kill you? That's nethack! wtf 06:41 did it come from a variant? 06:41 -!- Sashai has joined #hardfought 06:41 !pom 06:41 Sashai: The moon is new for 1 more day. 06:42 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Nbn Cha), 582 points, T:1644, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 06:45 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Nbn Cha), 125 points, T:449, killed by a grid bug 06:46 rebatela: no, I think it's original this time. 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Master, on T:42810 06:47 I wish it was togglable 06:48 [hdf-eu] [4k] rsa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2247 points, T:695, killed by a sewer rat 06:54 [hdf-eu] [4k] rsa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1713 points, T:410, killed by a small mimic 06:58 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 07:01 [hdf-eu] [4k] rsa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2691 points, T:658, killed by a giant bat 07:04 [hdf-eu] [4k] rsa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 150 points, T:211, killed by a jackal 07:07 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3175 07:08 [hdf-eu] [spl] smzp (Con Orc Mal Cha), 2920 points, T:3183, killed by a desert jinn 07:10 [hdf-eu] [4k] rsa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2070 points, T:605, killed by an acid blob 07:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:36526 07:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) averted death, on T:36603 07:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36612 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:33208 07:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:33538 07:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:34615 07:43 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by danirijeka! 07:45 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Explorer, on T:31402 07:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:35002 07:47 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:41, on T:31428 07:48 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31444 07:49 bhaak: splicehack is also derived off recent 3.7 and has flipped levels from it. 07:50 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 07:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:51 aosdict: oh, did Antigulp already incorporate that. I thought she hasn't yet 07:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:36804 07:56 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 8118 points, T:5042, killed by a tengu 07:56 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:31518 07:57 ugh... flipped sanctum. 08:01 hmm that's the first complaint I heard about a flipped non-sokoban level 08:01 Oh hey the wow in the sanctum is off to the side. I did not realise. 08:03 meh. I complain about everything. 08:06 I struggle enough finding my way around the sanctum when it's not flipped, because I make it there so rarely. 08:06 Maybe I only found the WoW because I was lost :P 08:11 YANI: if you dip a bag in water (not oilskin) then all scrolls and potions inside are immediately blanked/diluted 08:12 ^ has this been suggested before? 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh343] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7394 08:15 I don't think so. That would save me a lot of game time. 08:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 bone helm of opposite alignment", on T:38546 08:17 -!- jilles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19 the current behavior is to dilute some, not all. but it should already be faster than one by one 08:19 It would save you a lot of game time but be really aggravating for anyone who accidentally typoes into water. Hmmm, if only there were a way to help players avoid doing that... 08:20 How would you avoid typoes? 08:20 Optionally ask for explicit confirmation 08:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3726 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:38218 08:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:11601 08:23 If it's already faster than one by one I'll give it a try 08:23 easy enough to repeat the dip command a number of times 08:24 well now aosdict that just plays the game for you 08:25 hand hold 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:3994 08:25 mobileuser: if you're dipping into a fountain, it should make a difference. 08:25 as we all know adding convenience features will lead to the game autoascending on your behalf 08:25 mobileuser: the fountain has a chance of drying up every time you dip something in it. 08:26 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:31886 08:26 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:31887 08:26 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Val Hum Fem Neu) had an ornamental cope entrusted to her by Odin, on T:38979 08:29 bhaak, I was thinking more of moats or in the case of evilhack, shallow water 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4389 08:30 but what happens currently when dipping a sack in a fountain? 08:30 amateurhour: wow, turns out that all the xnh ascensions this junethack have in fact been autoascensions enabled by my blocking accidental typoes into water. I shall instruct bhaak to not count them for junethack 08:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4461 08:30 aosdict: okay 08:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a cram ration on an altar, on T:4475 08:31 is there is chance some of the potions in the sack dilute when fountain dipping? 08:31 "DELETE from trophies WHERE version = 'xnh'" 08:31 that's easy enough 08:31 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:31 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest58550 08:31 -!- Guest58550 has quit [Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:31 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:32 mobileuser: yes, I tried that in wizmode 08:32 so does the fountain have more chance to dry up in that case? 08:33 <{Demo}> what, I'm confused 08:33 <{Demo}> I had a legitimate xnh asc 08:33 <{Demo}> I didn't have paranoid_hit on 08:34 <{Demo}> therefore there's no way paranoid_hit could have made the game start in uhack mode 08:34 <{Demo}> ohhh, I did use travel though, oops, that one basically just takes you to the high altar with the ammy 08:38 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:32348 08:39 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:32352 08:45 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 142 points, T:112, killed by a falling object 08:45 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:32508 08:49 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:32587 08:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Fem Cha) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:39793 09:05 <@www> > @www flipped sokoban was first an unnethack thing, and then a slex and 3.7 thing (which means, that anybody incorporating 3.7 has it which should be AFAIK only xnethack so far) but only unnethack has dropped the luck penalties @bhaak#0000 Thank you It threw me off haha 09:07 <@www> xnethack is my first fork I've played Is there somewhere I can read about the general differences between the different forks? 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:70976 09:08 <@www> Or can someone give a basic overview? 09:08 flipped sokoban isn't in slex 09:08 <@www> Oh I gotta sleep, I'll check them out tomorrow 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5414 points, T:8726, killed by a rope golem 09:10 amateurhour: Amy chew me out already over it :) 09:10 @www https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/XNetHack 09:11 <{Demo}> i want gunethack, its gui unethack but also has slashem gun patch 09:13 anyone have that ethercalc 'differences between variants' sheet? 09:15 The mountain nymph picks up a plate mail. The mountain nymph puts on a plate mail. 09:15 This one is gonna be a tough one to kill 09:15 https://ethercalc.org/NHForks.html 09:15 but that's quite a high level view 09:15 thanks, just found it 09:16 I hoped that someone would write something about xnethack on there but I guess I should just write it myself 09:23 dipping a sack in water and repeat last command a number of times blanked everything fast enough, gonna remember that 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 17556 points, T:11095, killed by a gnome 09:33 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4324 points, T:3627, killed by a human mummy 09:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:52369 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sophia (nabru) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 33530 points, T:2252, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1238 09:46 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:33751 09:46 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on the Plane of Earth (for the 5th time), on T:33751 09:53 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:33908 09:54 OMG astral is upside down. 09:54 THis is really messing with me. 09:54 <{Demo}> did they remove wide bottom astral? 09:54 <{Demo}> the one that is like 2x harder than regular astral 09:55 no, the wideness of the corridor is random 09:56 I mean, I suppose xnethack still has that. removing that would be a surprising move 09:56 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:33924 09:56 <{Demo}> :( rng SHOULD NOT impact the difficulty of astral. please make it so you enter the level next to YOUR high altar 09:57 it's possible that the other side of the bottom is wide :-) 10:02 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "thoroughly cursed heart of ahriman", on T:33939 10:02 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit, on T:33939 10:03 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2836782 points, T:33940, ascended 10:03 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/xnethack/dumplog/1592491912.xnh.html 10:03 gg Tangles 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1012 points, T:1701, killed by a contaminated potion 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1127 points, T:1449, killed by a giant bat 10:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:53445 10:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:53515 10:12 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in nine variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:12 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in fifteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:12 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in four variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:12 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended three variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:12 Junethack: Tangles ascended a game of xNetHack on au.hardfought.org! 10:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:53929 10:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:40298 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 511 points, T:1042, killed by a magic missile 10:16 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:54100 10:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Hum Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40307 10:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Hum Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40308 10:24 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:75134 10:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Ran Dro Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed +2 filth-crusted set of crow talons named Frost Brand", on T:54665 10:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grassy (Rog Orc Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Magicbane", on T:43585 10:41 about the nethack variant ethercalc sheet, I'd like to make two additions to slex but not sure how to do it :P 10:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1031 points, T:1615, killed by a rothe 10:42 first, "displace peacefuls by default", slex has that but only if the player is displaced (e.g. via cloak of displacement), how to add that in a way that makes it clear without the field becoming three times as large? 10:42 and second, "fixes for bad artis", I want to say "not needed" in slex because "bad" artis are a feature there and slex has artis that are way worse than trollsbane :P 10:42 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 377 points, T:1134, killed by a sewer rat 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:75406 10:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Lawman0 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:71486 10:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Bat Mal Cha) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:42250 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 180 points, T:409, killed by a jackal 10:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "the holy Master Key of Thievery", on T:1659 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 618 points, T:471, killed by a little dart 10:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Pir Inc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8606 10:56 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:27320 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 166 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:52870 10:57 is there a good acronym for "cloak of displacement"? I know the one for magic resistance is CoMR but is there a similarly short one for displacement? 10:58 cod :^) 10:58 nah, that smells a little fishy for an acronym 10:58 [hdf-au] [un] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided master mind flayers dungeon wide on T:919 10:59 <@Lawman0> Nice 10:59 oh is that nhforks ethercalc locked? I can't seem to be able to edit 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 847 points, T:1451, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 80 points, T:106, killed by a jackal 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 160 points, T:652, killed by a small mimic 11:07