00:01 more wolves into the wolf grinder 00:03 [hdf-us] [slshm] fitsf (Und Lyc Mal Cha), 99 points, T:114, killed by an exploding large box 00:04 I really love mid-late game melee role when you can spam esc+direction and then watch the carnage 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dogleaf (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:44814 00:04 what's the background behind 3-altar rooms? Is it a Zelazny reference? 00:04 I think the background is UnNetHack 00:07 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 00:07 !tell @aosdict can you add me to TNNT? Thx! ^^ 00:07 eraserhead97: Message from mobileuser at 2020-05-29 08:32 EDT: confirmed by rebatela: if you have EOTA you can just stand there and haste and reflect yourself for a lot of turns 00:07 No worries, eraserhead97, I've got this! 00:07 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in two variants" unlocked by Lawliet! 00:07 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by fweep! 00:09 hmm... ...under the tnnt menu, $) Copy another config to tnnt doesn't seem to do anything 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3174 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3185 00:10 oh - maybe I need to wait for JUNE local time? 00:10 <@riker> i mean... tnnt is not junethack 00:10 oops 00:10 <@riker> not sure why tnnt stuff doesn't work, but junethack just runs off any other variant from the main page :) 00:10 <@riker> (assuming you made & linked your acct already) 00:11 I need to change my config with a line, right? I can't seem to find the instructions 00:11 yeah - I already registered 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3331 00:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu), 43089 points, T:6850, killed by a migo soldier 00:16 <@Sig> Dammit 00:16 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by cheepicus! 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2037 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 242 points, T:658, killed by a magic missile 00:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3076 00:18 i did 00:19 not ashamed 00:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu), 86 points, T:153, killed by a black pudding 00:19 <@Sig> Always forget how hard those things hit 00:20 <@riker> ^ 00:25 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Sig! 00:25 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by Sig! 00:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:6230 00:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] fitsf (Und Lyc Mal Cha), 5531 points, T:2725, killed by something while blind 00:30 bad Hermes, bad! 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law), 1114 points, T:3182, killed by a plains centaur 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4110 points, T:4367, killed by a small mimic 00:34 Junethack: New user UnzipsCrogre registered! https://junethack.net/user/UnzipsCrogre 00:35 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in two variants" unlocked by darothok! 00:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:7156 00:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:7261 00:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:7296 00:39 lol finger of death spellbook on dl4 00:39 too bad ill never be able to cast it 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Graydot (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1730 00:40 <@Graydot> that took like 20 #dips 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law), 354 points, T:735, killed by a giant spider 00:45 [hdf-us] [slshm] fitsf (Und Lyc Mal Cha), 3896 points, T:2066, killed by a soldier ant 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3431 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3504 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2184 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2195 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 106 points, T:749, killed by a sewer rat 00:54 Junethack: 100 games have been played! 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3189 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3189 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a cubical amulet on an altar, on T:3191 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2259 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3236 01:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2571 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dogleaf (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:52041 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dogleaf (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:52044 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19572 01:09 <@Graydot> The water nymph stole an uncursed wand of create monster. eh 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:5062 01:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:3881 01:13 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by iyarkonan! 01:13 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by iyarkonan! 01:13 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by iyarkonan! 01:13 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by iyarkonan! 01:13 Junethack: iyarkonan ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.6 on nethack.alt.org! 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh343] Graydot (Val Hum Fem Law) had a war hammer named Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4374 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5212 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:2615 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] Graydot (Val Hum Fem Law), 16137 points, T:5837, killed by a leocrotta 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:41432 01:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14715 01:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14715 01:31 ^ aosdict, double message 01:32 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Graydot! 01:34 YANI: casting stone to flesh on a falling rock trap makes drop meatballs on your head instead of rocks 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5283 points, T:4239, killed by a dog, while fainted from lack of food 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 8723 points, T:6714, killed by a white unicorn 01:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a tiger, on T:15270 01:38 rawr 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41839 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6470 01:41 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by eraserhead97! 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "", on T:3983 01:44 Junethack: New user JADarius registered! https://junethack.net/user/JADarius 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 7140 points, T:3997, killed by a fire ant 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7441 01:51 Silly watch captain teleport spam 01:52 K2, also add a way to get impaled by meat spears 01:53 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by luxidream! 01:53 Junethack: luxidream ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.6 on nethack.alt.org! 01:54 <@Sig> Grats Luxi 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 530 points, T:1223, killed by a wand 01:57 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 01:57 <@luxidream> thanks 02:00 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Graydot (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 501 points, T:408, killed by a gas spore's explosion 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Wolfechu (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1223 02:05 <@luxidream> !who 02:05 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh370] Darothok [nh370] murgatroid99 [nh370] Wolfechu [nh370] oh6 [nh370] phollenback [nh4] spicycat [xnh] k2 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Kejchi [nh370] aoei [dnh] elenmirie [nh343] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 02:05 <@BELATEDLY> 💤 02:06 -!- fitsf has quit [] 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Wolfechu (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1369 points, T:1509, killed by brainlessness 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3033 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3255 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3509 02:12 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by moonchild! 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9353 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42569 02:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:20391 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] murgatroid99 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10309 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 559 points, T:1819, killed by a gnome 02:28 whoa, drawbridge down in three tries 02:31 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Raisse! 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law), 5911 points, T:5993, killed by an invisible stalker, while praying 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Graydot (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1675 02:39 <@Graydot> gotta love minetown blessed magic lamps 02:39 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by MissPrince! 02:39 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by MissPrince! 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The water glows for a moment. 04:17 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 04:18 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Mandevil! 04:23 Go Team Ant 04:30 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:40 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:47 !who 04:47 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [nh370] Lormoond [nh370] Wolfechu [nh370] musicdemon [slex] | [hdf-eu] Mandevil [dyn] Kejchi [nh370] Raisse [nh343] elenmirie [nh343] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 04:48 !asc Luxidream 04:48 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream has ascended 276 times in 3696 games (7.47%): fh:18 (14.52%), nh363:70 (4.44%), nh370:16 (6.48%), nh4:70 (18.62%), dyn:80 (29.96%), un:4 (2.94%), spl:5 (4.03%), nh343:2 (3.85%), xnh:7 (11.48%), 4k:2 (0.35%), sp:2 (11.76%) | [hdf-eu] Luxidream has not ascended in 244 games. | [hdf-au] Luxidream has not ascended in 1 games. 04:48 !asc Luxidream june2020 04:48 LarienTelrunya: Usage: !asc [variant] [player] 04:48 !parkedascs Luxidream 04:48 (how many are there by now? :D) 04:50 Pinkbeast: didn't DCSS jump the shark ages ago and just continues going down the drain nowadays because every new version removeremoveremoves more stuff? 04:50 still surprised they didn't make an autoplaythegameforyou button yet, when they already have otab (autofight), autoexplore and similar stuff 04:52 autofight? lol 04:53 yeah, it seems to be how you play the game; I've never gotten good enough at DCSS to do so though 04:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1700 05:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- zjmc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:45 LarienTelrunya: aren't those features more like learning aids 05:46 waesum: dunno, but when people on 4chan are posting about their DCSS runs and requesting help, a common advice they get is "just otab bro" 05:46 do people expect advice on 4chan? 05:47 apparently, sometimes 05:47 it's more likely that you get told to "kys yourself" or something there, though 05:47 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Stiv! 05:48 i don't see how it's considered 'jumping the shark' to try making the genre more easy for new players 05:48 it's definitely going in the right direction compared to rogues/variants that obscure the genre even more 05:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5858 05:48 the game itself gets more and more streamlined, at the cost of variety 05:49 it doesn't have to though. i suppose you could compare it to valkyrie. the options are still there 05:49 and I, in my capacity as Lady SLEX, *always* prefer more variety over less variety, gameplay effects notwithstanding :P if one is willing, it's always possible to have more variety without hurting gameplay 05:50 removing content is taking the lazy way out IMHO 05:50 Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. 05:50 lol 05:50 - some french guy 05:51 that sounds like something the DCSS devs would say 05:53 "variety" is fine if there is a reason for it 05:53 i don't know about all the variants but there's a lot of things in vanilla that doesn't really need to be there 05:54 oh my god 05:54 like how there's 28 weapon skills 05:54 some of which only apply to one weapon 05:54 3.7 has jumped the shark enough by now, it certainly doesn't need removals on top of that 05:54 what's next, loadstones getting removed "because they're not useful"? 05:55 could you explain what you don't like about 3.7? 05:55 do you mean the amnesia changes 05:55 heh yeah the amnesia change is one I absolutely loathe 05:56 amateurhour: everything :P (quite literally; I've made a document showing what I don't like about 3.6, could probably update that for 3.7, and in that document 99% of 3.6's changes get negative commentary from me) 05:56 amnesia used to just be some archaic trap that would remove progress... with nothing else to it 05:56 I don't like the weird "convenience/noob feature" of disallowing stand in place - sometimes, I want to stand right next to a mob, because being stunned and attempting a move could be dangerous (if friendlies are around) 05:56 usually things in nethack has multiple properties 05:56 oh I'd be interested in reading that if you have a link handy 05:57 forcing you to use a different key to stand next to a mob actually "makes it harder" not "easier" 05:57 such as how a potion of acid is typically a "useless" thing, but can be used to cure stoning 05:57 yeah that's probably the only thing in 3.7 I don't like, the rest change 05:57 amnesia was few of the things that were just straight bad 05:57 heh yeah that anti-QOL feature that cannot be turned off is also a huge downside of 3.7 05:57 but other than that I quite like the other changes 05:58 amnesia is still pretty rough, but it's not an insta-quit for me anymore 05:58 amateurhour: read at your own risk, contains possibly NSFW language - https://pastebin.com/raw/9tzDvpJ9 05:59 why do you mind elbereth nerfs if you don't enjoy "convenience/noob features" 05:59 elbereth had to be nerfed, in 3.4.3 it was completely broken (i.e. a cheat code), but I don't agree with HOW they have nerfed it 05:59 the 3.6.0 nerf was pretty good, but then 3.6.1 came and replaced it with a much more stupid (IMHO) nerf! 05:59 i'd just remove it. i never play with elbereth 06:00 LarienTelrunya: useless skills are a feature for you? 06:00 in 3.6.1 you have to step off the elbereth (or move into a wall to scuff it without using up a turn) and THEN whack the monster, making the game more cumbersome to play 06:00 vanilla still has way to many skills 06:00 bhaak: yes, definitely. give me back by javelin skill :P 06:00 merging javelin with spear is a move in the right directoin 06:00 *my 06:00 but there is still way too many weapon skills 06:01 flail/morningstar/club/mace like what 06:01 and why's long sword and two-handed sword separate skills, but axe and 2H axe are not 06:01 the problem is not that there are too many skills, the problem is that there are way too few slots to enhance them :P 06:02 dagger/knife doesn't make a lot of sense either 06:02 i mean you could easily condense all of these into something around 10 06:03 more skill slots is one thing, but it's just superfluous 06:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:04 not for me, I'm actually planning to add even more weapon skills in slex 06:04 next you're going to suggest removing almost all of my beautiful polearms :( 06:04 what does it add to the game to do that? 06:04 make each polearm have its own skill imotbh 06:04 :^) 06:04 that is not a question I ask myself, but since you insist... the answer reads "variety", of course :P 06:05 how is it variety to have two items that act exactly the same require different skill slots 06:05 most of the polearms in vanilla are actually the same real life item. but that's a D&Dism problem 06:05 how are knives and daggers exactly the same? 06:05 tell me how they work differently in nethack 06:05 well for starters, some roles can reach expert in dagger but not in knife, or vice versa, affecting which one is more useful 06:06 thats because of the problem i'm highlighting, but it doesn't answer the question 06:06 so what is the difference between using a knife and a dagger 06:06 for me the misconception is that there is supposedly a problem in the first place, which there IMHO isn't 06:06 i could easily answer the difference between a bow and a sword, or a pickaxe, or a polearm 06:06 but what's the difference between a knife and a dagger 06:07 the dagger is sharp on both sides whereas the knife is only on one side 06:07 yeah i'm aware thats a difference in real life, but i'm asking about nethack and how it affects gameplay 06:07 so logically, the dagger should do at least twice the damage of a knife ;-) 06:09 they possibly got added for having a weapon skill slot for crysknives 06:10 i mean adding a skill slot for the sake of adding a skill slot doesn't really make knives and daggers much different 06:11 no, but when skill slots got added they had to put the crysknife somewhere 06:12 why not lump it together with daggers 06:12 I'm arguing that it was a good game design decision 06:12 *I 06:12 they don't have to be "different" to warrant having skills for them :P 06:12 *I'm not arguing 06:12 LarienTelrunya: why not? 06:13 waesum: why would they? I see no reason why skills would only be allowed to exist for weapons that are very different of each other 06:13 because i'd like to think things should have a reason to exist 06:13 so i'm just wondering what's the reasoning behind having separate skill slots for knife and dagger and why they don't count the same since they in game act just the same 06:13 heh, you'd hate slex then (even though most of the things I add do have a purpose, but it's not always obvious) 06:14 waesum: that's not how nethack's design was done for a long time :-) 06:15 searching for reason in that chaos leads to madness 06:15 of course. the design is improving though. 06:16 Amy I don't understand the problem you have with sokoban 06:17 what do you mean when you say sokoban should always have sokoban rules? 06:17 sokoban shouldn't have been there from the start or should be drastically reduced since it kills pace 06:17 it means the sokoban rules should still apply after a level was "solved" 06:17 when the puzzle is done, you can't cheat at it anymore? 06:18 what is this "stealing from variants" accusation haha 06:19 those "new" levels had been added in unnethack ages ago, and 3.6 then stole them 06:19 if I want to play a variant, I choose "unnethack" or something from the menu... keep that annoying orctown out of my vanilla kthxbye :P 06:19 how do you define stealing that won't also apply to all the nethack content present in variants 06:20 good game designers copy, great game designers steal 06:21 lol 06:21 i thought we were open source here 06:22 i feel like you just want to disagree with the devs, you disagree with things that save time, but also disagree with things that make things take more time 06:22 well, it's not about copyright :) but about if the lifted feature fits the target variant's game design 06:23 maybe it fits vanilla also 06:24 but as nethack has no official game design manifest, it's often a matter of interpretation and personal opinion if it does or not 06:24 waesum: I disagree with things that I personally don't like ;) 06:24 it's not always consistent though 06:25 example? 06:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lormoond (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2685 06:25 The vibrating square is treated as a trap and can be found quickly by the usual means. 06:25 Amy comment: laaaaame, you should have to walk over every square 06:25 yes, what's inconsistent about that? 06:25 You can't levitate on the Plane of Water, forcing you to stay inside the air bubbles or swim e.g. with an amulet of magical breathing. 06:25 Amy comment: oh my god did they REALLY have to make it so that the MOST annoying plane of all takes about 20 times longer to complete 06:25 i wasn't finished 06:26 annoying seems to be fine... sometimes, except when it's not 06:26 finding the VS doesn't take that terribly long and there are some methods you can use, whereas waiting for the bubbles to merge means you just sit there, twiddling your thumb, hoping that the bubble finally merges 06:26 or you're just sitting there twiddling your thumb until you walk on the square 06:27 nah, I'm actively looking for it, using methods to make sure I step on each square once 06:27 what methods are those 06:27 on 3.6's plane of water I just hit s repeatedly hoping that the bubble comes along 06:28 well how to describe... by using the map that shows possible locations of the square, I walk along the path, pick-axing walls at strategic spots, and don't explore too far in a direction so as to not skip any squares 06:28 Lembas wafers now give 200 more nutrition to elves and 200 less nutrition to orcs. Cram rations give 100 more nutrition to dwarves. 06:28 Amy comment: actionism at its finest 06:29 this also sounds like a typical slex thing 06:29 it just seems out of place to me, special-casing one specific food like that 06:29 its uhh variety 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lormoond (Val Dwa Fem Law), 428 points, T:2744, killed by a human mummy 06:30 lol how does that add variety, yeah I mean elves have to worry a bit less about starvation that way and orcs a little more, but... when is starvation ever really an issue except in the very early game anyway 06:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:30 how does dagger and knife being separate add variety 06:31 I already said, by having some roles that can get very good in one of them while other roles can get very good in the other 06:31 so some races can get more nutritions while some get less 06:31 e.g. healer might go for a crysknife at expert knife skill while wizard might go for magicbane at expert dagger skill 06:31 even the source material for lembas wafers state that it's offensive to "creatures corrupted by evil", such as orcs. its why gollum doesn't eat it 06:32 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 06:32 is there really any reason behind healers not being able to have magicbane too 06:32 !pom 06:32 NAOrsa: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 4 days. 06:33 they can, but just at skilled, not at expert. 06:33 variety :D for a healer the magicbane will be slightly less effective than for a wizard 06:33 how is that variety 06:33 lol do I really have to answer that 06:34 or more specifically asked, how is that "variety" while the lembas thing is "actionism" 06:34 well yeah if you want to make sense 06:34 because the lembas thing is too insignificant :P 06:34 so do you think it'd be better if orcs couldn't eat lembas at all 06:35 that would be something I guess, but I'd not do that in slex either 06:35 why not? 06:35 because it's actionism :D really, the way lembas worked in 3.4.3 is fine in my book, no need to change anything 06:35 whats the difference between actionism and "variety" 06:36 actionism is making changes for the sake of changing them, as opposed to changing them because they have a positive effect on gameplay 06:37 so adding a bunch of extraneous weapon skills that will limit the available weapons for you in-game meaning you get more trash items is positive effect on gameplay how? 06:38 in slex the player has enough skill slots that you're not permanently locked out of any other weapon just because you maxxed out two weapons or so 06:38 so in effect it's basically the same as having fewer weapon skills? 06:38 also, different roles have different skill sets. some role might have a use for that weapon due to being able to reach master with it, another is restricted and will probably leave it on the ground 06:38 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:39 additionally, certain weapon skills in slex unlock special techniques or other stuff when they're enhanced enough, and having the skill thus means the player might go for that technique while restricted roles won't get it (variety!) 06:39 what special techniques? 06:40 example: lance skill at master -> technique that helps with uncursing items 06:40 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:40 or trident at master -> technique that allows the player to swim and be immune to rust damage to items and monsters' drowning attacks for a while 06:40 uh what does a lance have to do with that? 06:41 nothing :D 06:41 i could see tridents being useful against aquatic monsters, since that's like the... theme 06:41 but how could you not think the lance thing is a prime example of an actionism 06:41 yeah tridents have extra to-hit and damage to eels in slex 06:42 lol why would that be actionism, it gives players an incentive to use that often-ignored lance skill! 06:42 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 06:42 lance already has reasons to exist 06:44 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:47 yeah but in slex there's another :) 06:49 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Mon Swn Fem Neu), 3267 points, T:1087, killed by a dwarf zombie 06:50 Amy the dull spellbook making you fall asleep is a pun 06:50 we need more puns 06:51 amateurhour: yeah but... it seems so out of place to have one spellbook appearance out of 200 have a special effect 06:51 maybe slime mold renamed as bun? 06:52 more puns = more good 06:52 quick maths^ 06:53 not a fan of adding puns just for the sake of having puns, they should fit in with the rest of the game 06:55 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 596 points, T:1124, killed by a bugbear 06:56 are you saying that one doesn't fit it? it seems very 'nethack' to me 06:56 Junethack: New user thtee registered! https://junethack.net/user/thtee 06:56 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in four variants" unlocked by 25PwnMoat! 06:57 amateurhour: yes, because as I said, none of the other spellbooks do anything 06:57 if like 10 out of the 100 different spellbook appearances did something, then it would fit 06:57 of course in slex it would be even harder because there's 500 or so spellbook appearances and trying to come up with funny effects for enough of them to not make it seem out of place would be difficult 06:58 [hdf-us] [slex] MKV (musicdemon) (Gun Clk Mal Neu) shouted "HELL YEAH", on T:5086 07:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Adept, on T:7943 07:02 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Fem Cha), 662 points, T:1593, killed by a dwarf 07:05 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by 25PwnMoat! 07:05 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in five variants" unlocked by 25PwnMoat! 07:07 I mean that's the point of the pun, there doesn't need to be a pun for every spellbook appearance 07:07 someone saw a pun, added something related to the pun 07:24 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by AmyBSOD! 07:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 10510 points, T:9531, killed by an ogre lord, while sleeping 07:33 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by krm26! 07:33 [hdf-us] [slex] post163 (Wiz Bac Fem Cha), 11148 points, T:4284, killed by a bullet 07:36 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in seven variants" unlocked by 25PwnMoat! 07:45 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Nabru! 07:47 -!- zjmc_ has joined #hardfought 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Madonna, her faithful kitten, on T:4 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 66 points, T:46, killed by a giant spider 08:14 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 08:15 anyone know if aosdict is in us or eu timezones? need to catch him to add me to TNNT ^^ 08:17 US I think 08:20 thx 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5685 points, T:6248, killed by a soldier ant 08:25 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 08:25 go team a 08:28 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:28 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:29 it wasn't a very magic marker, 0:55 08:29 perhaps that was the spinach 08:31 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 08:32 is there a way to send my login automatically when i ssh into hardfought, to save time? 08:32 cebolla depends. what are you using for a terminal 08:33 xterm i think? the xfce default one 08:33 that one, I dont know 08:34 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:35 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 08:35 okdokey. tried ssh nethack@hardfought.org -x lusername 08:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Kni Clk Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1215 08:40 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40 cebolla, try setting an environment variable, DGLAUTH=username:password 08:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Kni Clk Mal Law), 2776 points, T:1885, killed by a rabid rat 08:42 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 08:43 cebolla, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dgamelaunch#Unix.2FLinux_with_OpenSSH_client 08:43 Take a look there 08:43 aha, thanks Andrio , searched for that word on the wiki, there's a writeup for it! https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dgamelaunch#Unix.2FLinux_with_OpenSSH_client 08:43 hah, cheers nabru 08:44 Junethack: New user Grasshopper registered! https://junethack.net/user/Grasshopper 08:44 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:45 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by NeroOneTrueKing! 08:48 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 08:48 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:49 -!- dopplergange has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 08:51 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 635 points, T:1025, killed by a giant bat 08:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:02 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02 <@Winsalot> Hello, does anyone have an Evilhack's RC file that is set up in a way to resemble nethack4? Basically I am looking for way to always see inventory, lots of colors and in general to see as much information as possible without having to look of it 09:02 @Winsalot one sec 09:03 @winsalot: i do 09:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:04 top of this file - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc - if you uncomment #OPTIONS=windowtype:curses that enables curses mode 09:04 but it's for a large screen 09:04 and you can play around with the look/feel using the other curses options 09:07 <@Winsalot> hothraxxa: please share. I usually play on large screen anyway 09:09 just go to dgl, manage game settings (j), copy from somewhere else (z), select evilhack (e), choose another player (p), pick me, pick me 09:10 edit the screen size to suit 09:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hea Swn Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2894 09:11 what if he doesnt want all of your settings? 09:11 :P 09:11 he'll learn! 09:11 so i played slash'em for 1189 turns but i don't get credit for finishing a game 09:11 k2: he will, they're byootiful 09:11 autopickup only if it will cause burdened etc 09:12 hothraxxa you'll have to let bhaak know 09:13 crap i guess i should join #junethack 09:16 !tell eraserhead97 I reinvited you 09:16 eraserhead97 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, aosdict. 09:16 @aosdict TY - will check in ^^ 09:16 eraserhead97: Message from aosdict at 2020-06-01 09:16 EDT: I reinvited you 09:16 weren't you in already? 09:18 yeah - mea culpa - I didn't log-in first so didn't see the invite 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh4] Clara (Lyra) (Val Hum Fem Law), 28525 points, T:2064, poisoned by a water moccasin 09:21 <@Winsalot> any suggestion on what causes these "?". Is it my terminal being unable to render some symbols? 09:21 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/717004852194181220/Screenshot_2020-06-01_16-20-15.png 09:21