00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] thegame20 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 125 points, T:845, killed by a sewer rat 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2740 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3048 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3160 00:27 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Venzar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1489 points, T:1621, killed by a cave spider 00:36 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:14579 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6100 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 9021 points, T:7970, killed by an energy vortex 00:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 54 points, T:238, killed by a jackal 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 13982 points, T:7267, killed by a soldier ant 00:49 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 01:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 01:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 01:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:48 :( 01:49 sometimes I ask myself, why do I play nh and its variants? then I remember why: I'm a masochist! 01:50 [hdf-us] [fh] Bobbie (phollenback) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 38312 points, T:3392, killed by a thrown potion 01:55 There is a doorway here. You see here a little dog corpse named Sirius. 01:55 :( 01:55 sad 01:56 F 01:59 it was an F killed Sirius 01:59 somehow 02:01 The little dog devours a tripe ration. 02:01 What do you want to call the little dog? Sirius 02:01 nothing happened 02:03 The hobbit zombie bites Sirius. Sirius' brain is eaten! 02:03 Sirius' last thought fades away... Sirius is killed! 02:03 dammit 02:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28544 02:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28546 02:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:55 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:04 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:22 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:29899 03:44 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:72265 03:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30252 03:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30265 03:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:30275 03:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:72770 03:52 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:30343 03:59 -!- nabru has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:01 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:30517 04:01 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:30519 04:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30793 04:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31084 04:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31594 04:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed Buer, on T:31604 04:35 TGIF 04:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:32291 04:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:32292 04:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed Gluttony, on T:32375 04:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:32723 05:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:20 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) killed Envy, on T:32836 05:20 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 05:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 05:27 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Vam Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:32932 05:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:34 Let us have a moment of silence for all our eely bois out there... 05:35 don't do that, it'll be eelrily quiet 05:35 some governments still don't recognize the Eelian genocide...but we do. 05:36 I wonder if there's any stats as to most commonly genocided things 05:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 05:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:41 Liches probably 05:43 ? 05:43 I was wondering if there was any stats for most geno'd monsters Umbire 05:43 I suppose it'd probs go L, ;, mind flayers 05:44 Oh. 05:44 but after that, no idea 05:44 probably mind flayers before ; 05:44 or in vanilla just h 05:45 because some people don't bother with that, and it only happens if you get to the planes anyway 05:45 people play as dwarves so I think mind flayers would be geno'd more than the rest of h 05:45 ah ok. I seldom play dwarf. 05:48 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48 I wonder what's after those, maybe R 05:49 in vanilla that's what I usually go for if I get an extra geno 05:49 after I got rid of liches and (m)mfs 05:52 it's rare, but if gremlins get annoying I sometimes get rid of them :-) 05:53 especially when playing at night time 05:53 for my first few ascensions I just straight up geno'd footrices 05:53 too many mistakes with them, had severe trauma 05:54 [hdf-us] [slex] musicdemon (Gun Clk Mal Neu), 9938 points, T:4674, killed by a monster (watch captain) 05:54 The extra bullet | nestled in a watchman's arm | Sparing him caused my doom 05:54 I genocided nymphs in one of my first few games. 05:55 not a bad choice, they can be deadly for low level characters 05:55 I speak from bitter experience 05:55 heh 05:55 once I genocided rats. I was fighting a wererat, surrounded and about to die. I started reading unknown scrolls out of desperation, and one of them was genocide. Bye bye rats 05:56 I genocided nymphs again in my permanent-hallucination game 05:56 aaah that makes a lot of sense 05:57 I mean yeah, why not elenmirie. 05:57 it's not a waste if you survive :D 05:57 It's not "optimal" normally, but then everything's optimal when you're about to fucking di-- 05:58 elenmirie: >:[ 06:02 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of boots called kicking? entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:16201 06:25 he's kicking you up the arse to get a move on 06:25 getting impatient for the amulet 06:25 :V 06:25 !lastgame AlbertB 06:25 Umbire: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh363:AlbertB) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/nethack/dumplog/1589538181.nh.html 06:26 !lastgame Umbire 06:26 amateurhour: No last game for Umbire. 06:26 :O !!! 06:27 ...they try to geno spiders and get a cursed scroll? 06:27 The hell happened? 06:27 maybe they have bad memories of poison instadeath 06:28 Well that's not gonna cure it anytime soon 06:35 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 06:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:53 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 07:08 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed eraserhead97's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:17979 07:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 07:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 07:55 morning 07:55 \o 07:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56 o/ 07:56 hi :) 07:57 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:57 'lo 07:58 heh 08:03 hello world! 08:14 lol I use my magic whistle and suddenly I'm surrounded by pets I don't remember having 08:15 friday is free pet day 08:20 it *is* free pet day, it seems the army is growing 08:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:21 wait a minute... 08:22 perhaps one of my chams turned gremlin and created friends... 08:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 08:23 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:23 that's it, my cham pets have found a way to multiply. what a game... 08:24 I mean yeah, that sounds about right 08:24 A cham turned gremlin works the same as about any other grem 08:25 fantastic! :-) 08:27 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:37 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:38 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1245 08:40 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 08:46 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1350 points, T:1736, poisoned by a little dart 08:56 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:57 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 08:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:04 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 09:04 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:06 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:07 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56721 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:36 09:17 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:17 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 09:26 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:26 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:34 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1614 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:35333 09:50 ^ it's been that kind of game 09:51 <{Demo}1> damn 09:51 <{Demo}1> its vanilla though so it should be easy, right? 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3082 09:54 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56 first sounds of chest rummaging in the castle. who will find the WoW first... 09:56 {Demo}1 i've had a few close calls 09:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:57 i'm down as dlvl 20 with -2 AC and no enchantments on weapons 09:57 and you just saw my first wish 09:57 *at 09:58 yeah, but it's vanilla 09:58 should be easy 09:58 ;) 09:58 *easier 09:58 yeah if this were evilhack i would have been dead awhile ago prob 09:58 in evilhack, you don't make it to the castle with -2 AC 09:58 end of 09:59 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59 i got MR fairly early on, got reflection at the end of soko, so that all helped 09:59 <{Demo}1> ok guys im having a problem that requires some advising 09:59 <{Demo}1> my jolt cola is chunky 09:59 <{Demo}1> like i poured some out of a can into a mug 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Wilson, her faithful large dog, on T:4037 09:59 i think you know the answer {Demo}1 09:59 <{Demo}1> and its like leaving a weird sludge around the edges 09:59 <{Demo}1> what do i do? 09:59 dont drink it 09:59 dump it 09:59 It's cursed 09:59 Dump it at the nearest sink 09:59 <{Demo}1> i already drank a good bit of it before i realized it was chunky 09:59 if you have to ask... 10:00 <{Demo}1> and it tastes fine 10:00 -!- eraserhead9748 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 oh. well... 10:00 and I just accidentally killed my pet by trying to untrap it 10:00 how do you know that's not normal? 10:00 nabru :/ 10:00 maybe it's always chunky 10:00 <{Demo}1> no, definitely no 10:00 you just never noticed. 10:00 its not lol 10:00 <{Demo}1> i think i only have one more jolt cola 10:00 <{Demo}1> and dollar general quit selling them 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4149 10:01 <{Demo}1> and it might be chunky as well, idk 10:01 stop drinking it 10:01 if you dont get sick in the next few hours, you're prob fine 10:01 <{Demo}1> yeah oh yeah how long does that kind of thing take? 10:01 no idea 10:02 <{Demo}1> damn 10:02 if you're that concerned, call your primary care physician 10:02 or call the poison hotline 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:3077 10:03 how can cola be chunky, what is jolt cola 10:03 energy drink? 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3169 10:04 <{Demo}1> im sure im fine 10:05 hope you don't die 10:05 <{Demo}1> but like, maybe if i drink it ill turn into a super hero? it sounds like an origin story for a super epic super hero 10:05 <{Demo}1> its not like, super chunky, just got particles in it and is leaving a weird sludge in the cup 10:05 <{Demo}1> i tossed the cup but not whats left in the can 10:06 <{Demo}1> cause I can probably use the can for something entertaining 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3663 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3671 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1629 points, T:3736, killed by a bolt of cold 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 242 points, T:914, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:11 does it have lumps in it? 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:5513 10:12 cut open a lump and see what's inside 10:14 this tastes like slime mold juice! 10:17 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 10:19 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:20 <{Demo}1> no lumps, just like, pulp 10:22 {Demo}1 maybe a mouse got into the can and the chunks are what's left of its carcass 10:22 :D 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1382 points, T:2072, killed by a gnome 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6609 10:25 <{Demo}1> maybe if I'm lucky this'll cause a new virus to be a new pandemic 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7618 points, T:6737, killed by a jaguar, while dressing up 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ora (Lyra) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 42545 points, T:4809, killed by a mountain centaur 10:27 so we can work from home for longer? how thoughtful, thanks :) 10:30 <{Demo}1> wasp update: i think the wasp that was making a nest in my car is making a nest in my window now :( 10:30 <{Demo}1> i think i did something to anger my god or something 10:30 did you get the first nest out? 10:31 <{Demo}1> yes, it was very small with just a few eggs in it, none had hatched yet 10:31 fuck's sake, the human who burned down my last house is doing it again 10:31 <{Demo}1> the creator was not aggressive because I think it cant afford to be 10:31 <{Demo}1> if any had hatched that would have been fucking annoying 10:34 <{Demo}1> or rather, hatched and grown up 10:37 -!- aoie has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39 -!- aioe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:47 <{Demo}1> honestly, I need a scroll of genocide 10:48 <@microlance> damn a shopkeeper holding a grudge on that floor, luckily i had read a scroll of earth on him it. so he couldnt get to me 10:51 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:51 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 10:51 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Venzar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 520 points, T:1470, killed by a gecko 10:56 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- aoie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:25327 11:07 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Venzar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 464 points, T:2017, killed by a giant rat 11:09 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 11:11 still six pet chams left after the battle for the castle, not bad team chameleon! 11:14 heh 11:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:16 {Demo}1: was it you that wished for more time at home on the cursed monkey paw? 11:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:28 mobileuser, did you discover pet chameleons too? 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 108 points, T:344, killed by a sewer rat 11:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:36 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 11:38 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38 -!- Dracunos has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in] 11:38 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 11:39 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:39 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 11:39 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Venzar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 85 points, T:300, killed by a jackal 11:42 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 724 points, T:3258, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:28 [hdf-us] [4k] Mustrum Ridcully (Sparky) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:9801 12:29 !tell mobileuser you have roughly 12 hours from this message before this commit goes live :) - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/eb66884537575854c725c0fd84289cc3bc8dc130 12:29 Will do, K2! 12:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 <@microlance> nice, my mines end is the one with wererat of death and there is a blue dragon right by the stairs 12:42 hah a blue dragon? ooof 12:42 sounds like either a bones level gone bad and/or a chameleon 12:44 <@microlance> or a polytrap 12:44 that too 12:45 <@microlance> mines end arent a bones level i think 12:45 ah right 12:46 it wouldnt be 12:46 <@microlance> but i found some great bones from mobileuser in the valley of the dead and i think i read that wasnt one either so you might have changed it 12:46 i didnt do anything in regards to what is a bones level and what isnt 12:46 VotD is a valid bones level 12:46 <@microlance> ah, then i must remember wrongly there 12:47 evilhack game a had a few months ago, i got the sewers for mines end. woolly mammoth was there to greet me (was playing a barbarian giant) 12:47 <@microlance> finding bones there means some good stuffs right before gehennom atleast 12:47 <@microlance> did you have the scrolls tho? 12:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:47 it killed me, i revived ("oLS) and almost died again before i could kill it 12:48 poly trap was two spaces away 12:48 have the scrolls? 12:48 <@microlance> i think im gonna tame a pony i saw in orc town take it to a poly trap and scum a little 12:48 <@microlance> taming 12:48 oh, no i didnt 12:49 my current 370-hdf game, my samurai tamed a horse, i found a poly trap and got a black dragon out of it 12:49 lasted a good long while until it decided to bite a cockatrice 12:49 <@microlance> getting a mammoth in mines end as a giant would be cool 12:50 yesssss 12:50 they are slow but if you sped it up, it'd be decent 12:50 they hit so damn hard 12:50 who is the diabolical bastard that made those?? 12:52 <@microlance> i havent noticed the high dmg, but then again ive only fought them in ice queen realm with pretty strong characters 12:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:54 <@microlance> i was very lucky the blue dragon didnt swallow me and that i had gdsm and started with 18 con otherwise i would be very much dead 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4501 13:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:1780 13:02 \o/ 13:02 !PoM 13:02 APic: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 6 days. 13:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4873 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4883 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4888 13:09 [hdf-us] [4k] Mustrum Ridcully (Sparky) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:14578 13:13 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:14 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6280 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:6439 13:25 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 28208 points, T:1459, killed by a giant bat 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:29 Hello world 13:29 ... no Amy message? So disappointing 13:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 13:29 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:30 lol 13:30 Fuck, how do I turn this off 13:30 Oh there we go 13:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:34 Hi K2! 13:34 mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2020-05-15 12:29 EDT: you have roughly 12 hours from this message before this commit goes live :) - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/eb66884537575854c725c0fd84289cc3bc8dc130 13:35 :') 13:35 :P 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:2402 13:36 wooo @microlance 13:37 if u kill the rat king do u become the new rat king 13:37 <@microlance> my pony became a jabberwock and there was some saddles in orctown, so that helped alot 13:37 <@microlance> now my problem is a master mind flayer is hunting me 13:37 send in your army of rats 13:38 <@microlance> didnt get infected, so i couldnt pick up the fallen mantle so to say 13:38 <@microlance> not qualified 13:39 <@microlance> my jabberwock mount is pretty nice 13:39 <@microlance> but not enough so that i dare fight a mmf 13:39 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31363 points, T:2550, killed by a Woodland-elf 13:40 !tell bugsniper do you use pet chameleons in vanilla or in a variant? If in evilhack, then K2 killed most of the fun in a new commit. 13:40 I'm on it, mobileuser. 13:40 <@microlance> if i keep my helmet greased will i then lose all my skills and such? by meleeing him 13:40 you mean killed the exploit 13:40 <@microlance> is it the tentacles that does that? 13:41 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 both 13:41 the tentacle attack from a mind flayer in evilhack still causes amenisa of a sort, yes 13:41 :b 13:41 having a greased helmet greatly reduces the chances of an attack getting to your head 13:41 I mean it's fun just from the look of it, but it's also very much an exploit 13:42 <@microlance> i hope my jabberwock will survive a fight with one 13:42 mobileuser that's why i gave a 12 hr grace period. enjoy it while you can :P 13:43 in the D&D campaign I'm currently playing, we just encountered some of these: 13:43 https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/excerpt-intellect-devourer 13:43 I think I'll park most of the army in soko and keep 1 or 2 :-) 13:43 I for one am glad you added mine flayer larva and not those instead 13:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Dan Hum Fem Neu), 5608 points, T:3345, killed by a wand 13:44 i cant load the page from work, but i know what those are 13:44 they are nasty 13:44 your work blocks sites for their IT staff? 13:44 i can override if i want 13:44 but meh 13:45 "this was a legitimate business case, I want to see what is posessing all these users to be as stupid as they are" 13:45 :) 13:45 and i am jealous amateurhour, i would love to play pencil/paper d&d again with a group 13:46 i keep saying i'm going to start a campaign with my kid, we just havent yet 13:49 I've got some friends that have never played that want me to try DM for them 13:50 if we ever get around to it I'm going to steal a story from runescape lol 13:50 unironically 13:52 :) 13:53 basically I wanted a scenario in which they'd have amnesia of a sort 13:53 so they could 'remember' their characters over time 13:53 which would involve them adding things to their character sheet 13:53 so they could learn what the different things mean as they go 13:53 because when I first played the sheet was just a wall of text sections 13:54 no idea what I was doing 13:55 K2 at least I was the one who made the argument that the cham thing was a bug before I started my fun ;-) 13:55 true heh 14:03 <@microlance> nOoOOoOooooOoo, my jabberwock is a statue now 14:04 <@microlance> i tried to dodge the cockatrice but a gray fungus was block the corridor and while i was throwing darts the cockatrice came in melee range 😦 14:06 could you have given a lizard to the jabberwock earlier? 14:07 I don't know if they count as intelligent 14:08 YANI: In variants that a) let monsters wear rings and b) let you control what your pet equips, you can give an amulet of unchanging (possibly also a ring of sustain ability) to a pet, who is then immune from being polymorphed or shapeshifting. 14:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Clk Fem Law), 113779 points, T:16700, killed by a bone spike 14:09 I don't think they count as intelligent 14:10 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 26953 points, T:2096, killed by a giant ant 14:11 thx Umbire, I wondered 14:20 Hi K2, can monsters mount a vorpal jabberwock so that meleeing a mounted monster can mean instadeath? 14:20 mobileuser for intelligent pets, give them either lizard corpses, acid blob corpses (temp) or potions of acid 14:20 yeah that is why I wondered if J's are intelligent 14:20 or if humanoid and of the right size, equip them with YDSM 14:21 mobileuser yeah i think you can mount/ride a vorpal J 14:21 so the monsters can too 14:21 potentially yes 14:21 does far-look show which steed they ride? 14:22 i think i am going to tweak the frequency of a monster mounting a suitable steed at random 14:22 i wanna say yes 14:22 if not: any mounted monster could mean insta-death 14:22 !rn2(75) at first glance seems fine but it still happens often from what i have seen 14:23 mobileuser i'll verify real quick 14:23 invisible Nazgul, riding a fell beast, wearing armor <--- farlook 14:25 ah nice, thx for checking :-) 14:27 @ a human or elf (elven queen, riding a jabberwock) [seen: telepathy] 14:27 heh 14:28 ooooh wait i remember now 14:28 quite awhile back, i believe I made it so the only J that could be considered a steed was a normal jabberwock 14:29 yup i did 14:29 they can be tamed but not ridden 14:31 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 33371 points, T:2095, killed by a giant ant 14:33 ah vorpal panic over :b 14:34 heh 14:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:26700 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:26702 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2099 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4469 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2189 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:38818 14:48 [hdf-us] [4k] Mustrum Ridcully (Sparky) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:18697 14:49 can someone please update me on Demo and the current situation with chunky jolt? 14:49 I've lost track 14:50 is he still alive? 14:50 seems to be 14:50 thank Kos for that 14:51 <@riker> what did demo do? 14:51 his Jolt cola was chunky 14:51 and he drank some of it 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:5406 14:51 I was so worried, it kept me awake at my desk this afternoon 14:52 :) 14:52 {Demo}1 check in 14:52 <@riker> hm that doesnt sound healthy 14:52 if you're ok, blink twice 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5516 14:52 talk to us, {Demo}1 14:53 maybe he's out attacking hornets 14:53 murder hornets? 14:54 <@riker> *wasps 14:55 we had a wasp in the sunroom the other day. It was in the window, and a bird (I'm not sure what it was, maybe a throstle) sort of swooped in from the outside trying to get the wasp, but hit the glass. Not too hard though, it flew off again. 14:55 how bird-brained 14:55 then I killed the wasp 14:55 that's more points of karma lost 14:56 did you flex on the bird by eating the wasp in its view? 14:56 ooh! 14:56 no 14:56 my cat totally would have, though, given the chance 14:59 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4710 points, T:5917, killed by a watch captain 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9068 points, T:4555, killed by a giant spider 15:04 <{Demo}1> lmao 15:04 <{Demo}1> so far nothing bad 15:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 484 points, T:1404, killed by a giant bat 15:10 <@Lawman0> hi 15:10 Hello @Lawman0, Welcome to #hardfought 15:10 <@Lawman0> can NAO make character dumps 15:14 yes 15:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:16 <@Lawman0> not on death 15:16 <@Lawman0> I meant during the game 15:16 <@Lawman0> like crawls 15:16 no 15:17 welcome back to the land of the living, {Demo}1! 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 610 points, T:819, killed by a magic missile 15:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 15:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:19 <@Lawman0> oh well 😦 15:20 <@Lawman0> is a silver spear good for twoweaponing as a valk? 15:20 not the best but its not bad either 15:21 you should train spear skill first, but it's not bad, yes 15:21 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22 <@Lawman0> I did 15:22 then go for it 15:22 <@Lawman0> because they became a primary throwing weapon because I lost alot of daggers 15:22 <@Lawman0> cool 15:23 it's a decent weapon for Gehennom, where you've got lots of silver-haters 15:23 but you might want to change up for the planes, just a thought 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:572 15:26 mobileuser: [backscroll] wait for the ridable shambling horror with vorpal digestion attack. 15:26 say, does evilhack let a steed (say, a dragon) engulf you? 15:26 while being ridden by something else? 15:26 vorpal digestion? 15:27 aosdict yes 15:27 the stomach acid dissolves your neck! 15:27 it plucks you off of your steed 15:27 K2: no, I mean can something else riding a dragon engulf *you* 15:27 thereby having three monsters on the same coordinate 15:27 oh the ridden dragon? 15:27 or the thing riding the dragon? 15:27 gooorolf 15:28 how about a dragon riding another dragon? 15:28 and this is a very good question 15:28 it's dragons all the way down! 15:28 I'm still laughing about the weredemon in demon form riding the vampire mage in warg form 15:29 say WoY is riding a dragon. can it engulf me? 15:29 what a team! 15:29 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 aosdict lets find out 15:29 double trouble! 15:29 wizmode powers, activate! 15:29 elenmirie I recently made it so a shapeshifter cannot be either a rider or a steed 15:29 it just gets too weird 15:29 aw 15:29 I feel sad now 15:30 it opens the door to funky crashy things 15:30 yeah, I figured 15:30 I was rather surprised that the dungeon didn't collapse 15:30 heh 15:30 ok wizmode time, lets see 15:31 aosdict in this test, is the player riding a steed also? 15:32 no 15:32 or at least not necessarily 15:32 the black dragon engulf you, and your little dog, too! 15:32 *engulfs 15:34 huh... the ridden silver dragon is biting but not engulfing me 15:35 that's probably for the best 15:35 yeah 15:37 K2: while you're in wizmode 15:37 I had a dragon engulf me on the edge of the screen 15:38 so some of the dragon's insides were off the screen 15:38 I didn't want to try to hit in those directions, but wonder what would have happened if I had? 15:38 if that makes any sense 15:38 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 15:38 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 15:38 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 15:41 it does 15:41 i think that happens on the plane of air more than anywhere else 15:41 this was somewhere in gehennom 15:42 I was flying over lava 15:42 just recreated same conditions 15:42 its fine, you can hit in the direction thats off the screen 15:43 ok 15:43 I was worried that would crash 15:43 i think this is something the devteam fixed a few years ago 15:43 as I said, I didn't try it because (see above) 15:43 ok 15:43 aosdict are you trying to give me another scare? :b I think that a horror is not a valid steed thankfully. 15:44 * K2 makes shambling horrors ridable 15:44 lol 15:44 and newts 15:44 I want ridable grid bugs 15:44 you hear something jumping into a saddle! 15:44 you see Dudley riding on a newt 15:44 heh 15:45 elenmirie I had a leprechaun riding a chameleon, K2 has made that impossible now :-) 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Cen Fem Cha) had a scale mail entrusted to her by Mars, on T:22683 15:45 well that should have never happened for 2 reasons 15:46 yeah, things are getting more boring in the old dungeon... 15:46 one - shapeshifter steed. weird things 15:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dan Hum Fem Neu), 2303 points, T:2174, dispatched by a plains centaur 15:46 two - if the player is poly'd into something very small, they cant ride anything, should be same for monsters (leps are very small humanoids) 15:47 they should be able to ride very small things, like newts 15:47 ... 15:47 or grid bugs 15:47 \o/ 15:47 lol 15:47 or rats 15:47 and cats 15:47 elenmirie you think the dungeon is getting boring eh? here, hold my drink 15:47 lol 15:47 ok 15:47 :P 15:48 you see an imp riding on a kitten 15:50 a gnome wizard riding a lizard 15:54 after 40248 turns, I am finally 'fast' 15:54 about to take on samurai quest nemesis heh 15:54 don't get bisected 15:54 Hopefully you pick up a wand of death on the way 15:54 i have a couple, yes 15:55 heh, I was also slow for a very long time, when I got an unexpected wish it was helm of speed for me 15:55 and 98 blessed +2 arrows in my quiver 15:55 Oh you already have 'em 15:55 Then you should be golden 15:55 should be 15:55 prepare for death message 15:55 :P 15:55 K2, the golden child 15:55 watch out for leps 15:56 on newts 15:56 oh, yes 15:57 i only have -5 ac so i'll want to kill him from a distance for sure 15:57 bloody hell 15:57 you may as well paint red concentric circles on your armour 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:40431 15:57 \o/ 15:58 \o/ 15:58 zappy zap wand of death 15:58 lol 15:58 heheh 15:58 OP 15:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1321 15:58 ikr? 15:58 nerf please 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40448 15:59 ok good place to save, gotta go. see you all in a bit 15:59 see ya! 15:59 me too 16:01 A dishonorable death for a dishonorable man 16:01 Later K2 and elenmirie 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 400 points, T:728, killed by a boulder 16:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1130 points, T:3590, killed by a gnome lord 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1878 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1735 points, T:1899, killed by a scorpion 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 5290 points, T:7697, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted djinni 16:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dan Elf Fem Neu), 894 points, T:1559, eliminated by a giant ant 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 59547 points, T:19991, killed by a fire giant 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 240 points, T:464, killed by a giant rat 16:42 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:1395 16:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:57 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 760 points, T:1821, killed by an imp 17:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 8676 points, T:6435, killed by a leocrotta 17:23 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 17:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:42179 17:32 booo 17:33 oops? 17:33 and that just caused me to lose all the protection i bought 17:34 yay 17:34 get a pet that can kill the priest and go get your money back 17:34 yeah 17:34 if there is another priest available :-) 17:35 and make a note not to wear unknown helms again 17:35 or maybe get lucky and find ft ludios 17:35 on dlvl 20 so prob not 17:35 luckily I wasnt maxed out on protection 17:39 what is the best material for a SoR if you are an orc? 17:40 steel 17:41 ok thx! 17:41 <@riker> you renamed metal k2? 17:41 <@microlance> reeee, i thought it was fate that i couldnt defeat the artifact wish guardian the first time. because i found a second magic lamp on my return. but i got one of those asshole djinnis that wishes for themselves and attacks 17:41 @riker I did 17:42 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:42 <@riker> neat 17:42 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/search?q=steel&type=Commits 17:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4570 17:44 <@microlance> came with a buff as well, if metal didnt also give +1 dmg before 17:44 it didnt 17:45 What I miss? 17:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 17:46 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:46 the riddle of steel 17:52 <@microlance> nurse dancing is pretty heavily nerfed in eh, ive noticed. i only got 13 hp this time, all 4 dissappeared real quick 17:55 i didnt mess with nurses in evilhack 17:56 its just the RNG messing with you @microlance. nurse dancing hasnt gone well for me either in this vanilla game 17:56 <@microlance> all right, i thought it was cos the same happened last time 17:57 ok, my 1 remaining pet cham just got turned into a zombie :-) 17:57 will it be able to snap out of it... 17:57 But is it a GOOD zombie 17:57 Also classic variant paranoia(tm) 17:57 <@microlance> but then again i have had a really good nurse dance in eh as well, its just easier to remember the bad ones 17:58 Umbire, well said 17:58 started trying a speed run but too tired to carry on right now 17:58 this is evilhack, paranoia is the way to survive :b 17:58 found a wand of death dlvl 2 tho 17:58 :) 17:58 amateurhour dont play tired 17:58 or drunk 17:59 * K2 does both 17:59 if you do both does it cancel out? 17:59 ... yes 17:59 ah I see, play tired and drunk and evilhack gets created 17:59 :^) 17:59 lol 17:59 hey i was just changing a lightbulb, minding my own business, slipped and fell off the ladder and made evilhack 17:59 no idea how that happened 18:00 <@riker> my theory is that k2 only claims to be the dev behind evilhack 18:00 <@riker> the real dev is mini-k2 18:00 LOL 18:00 its actually my dog Ozzy 18:01 he uses the keyboard as a chew toy, as he chews eventually working code is made 18:01 as a check, i bang my head against the keyboard 18:01 seems to work 18:02 dinner time, back in a bit 18:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a leprechaun, on T:6049 18:11 "ice nymph, riding a white dragon" 18:11 <@riker> ^ that's thematic 18:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Con Hum Nbn Cha), 1046 points, T:2116, killed by a bolt of cold 18:14 it seems that steeds manage to quantum tunnel through walls if their rider gets killed :-) 18:21 starting to think K2 gets worried whenever you play mobileuser 18:21 every game you manage to find something 18:21 :P 18:23 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 18:25 especially when I extensively report on my exploits, then suddenly the fixes come thick and fast ;-) 18:26 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 894477 points, T:59315, sent to the grave by a silver dragon 18:26 <@riker> what's the best way to get the current name of an item, code-wise? i.e. "helm of brilliance" or "etched helmet" based off the current type-ID status? 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 275 points, T:768, killed by a brown mold 18:29 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:31 ooooh,. Trollbane on level 1. 18:32 @riker: I grep -i brill and work backwards from there. 18:33 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 933 points, T:2871, killed by a blue jelly 18:41 K2 "demilich, riding a mountain centaur" 18:42 I need to read the latest commit messages... 18:44 sorry, never mind, centaurs are valid steeds even if they can't be riders 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:906 18:50 wow. i don;t think i've ever had a charisma this low. I'm a 5. 18:53 Nah, you're at least a solid 8. 18:53 * Umbire fingerguns 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 1235 points, T:4393, killed by a wererat 18:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Arc Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1271 19:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] JimH (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 26307 points, T:6009, killed by a xan 19:26 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh343] JimH (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 1382 points, T:1772, killed by a jackal 19:47 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh343] JimH (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 368 points, T:1460, killed by a small mimic 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] JimH (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called jim 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] JimH (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 82 points, T:140, killed by a system shock 19:58 -!- deselby has joined #hardfought 19:59 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 20:06 kicking a gray stone in shallow water just splashes - how do I get it out of there? 20:10 <@Lawman0> Evil hack gives you goodies? 20:11 -!- aioe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 20:21 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an amulet called ESP on an altar, on T:3447 20:21 @eraserhead97 I'm not sure about evilhack, but you can try [a]pplying a bullwhip to get it out 20:21 good idea! thx 20:22 yeah, I think it only works while levitating/flying over the water 20:23 according to the wiki, this is no longer possible in 3.7-dev, but evilhack isn't forked off that version 20:23 I wonder why they removed it...it was a cool interaction 20:24 yeah - I think it's still pre-3.7 - agreed - makes sense with bullwhip 20:24 maybe iron hook will also work 20:30 -!- zjmc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:30 wait 20:30 how would any object get stuck in shallow water? 20:31 you sure that wasnt a loadstone? 20:31 oh... hahah i see 20:32 the shallow water is deep enough to prevent objects from being kicked out of it. you'd think i'd remember my own patches 20:33 and to be clear, I didnt invent shallow water (L did) but I applied the patch. you'd think i'd remember 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:423 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 108 points, T:505, burned by molten lava 21:00 <@Sig> Can a teleport want tp something into water. I was trying to zap my -5 cloak back to a +0 cloak and it disappeared. Can't find it anywhere on the level so somewhere in the water is my only guess. 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1758 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:2542 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] AntiVirus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 514 points, T:1988, killed by a kitten 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:49989 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:3471 21:15 Sig gave me an idea - can I cancel a -2 pair of dragonhide low boots to turn them into +0? Not sure if that's how cancellation works... 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4199 points, T:3680, killed by a soldier ant 21:17 yes, although I'm not sure if it will reset the material. My guess is it won't 21:19 I guess it depends if dragonhide is magical or not - lemme try 21:19 it will just get rid of the negative enchantment. material is unaffected 21:19 it will also get rid of any blessed/cursed status 21:20 yup - works as expected - thx for the cursed reminder - that would've been safer to do rather than dipping in fountains 21:20 btw, are identity scrolls and cancellation wands auto-id'ed in evil? 21:20 they seem to be, but not sure 21:21 yes they are. scrolls of ID are universally known at start, wand of cancellation will identify itself if you see it cancel something 21:23 rofl... after almost exactly 50000 turns, i have dragon scale mail 21:23 49989 to be exact 21:23 that elven mithril chain mail served me well 21:23 !who 21:23 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] AntiVirus [evil] eraserhead97 [evil] Karnac [nh370] Venzar [nh370] k2 [nh370] musicdemon [slex] Sig [dnh] phollenback [fh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] | [hdf-au] Mishka [nh370] 21:25 regarding retrieving an item from shallow water... any reason why you can't just step there and pick it up? 21:27 [hdf-us] [fh] Bobbie (phollenback) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41751 points, T:5721, killed by a warg 21:27 you can 21:27 same with sewage 21:27 <@microlance> wow, the tourist quest is the most profitable one. your rolling in scrolls, potions and gold. and at the end you get the unlimited charging scroll crazy stuff 21:28 yeah tourists start squishy but become pretty uber towards the end 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Venzar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2043 points, T:2174, killed by a giant ant 21:33 yes, if I had holy water, I would just pick up that gray stone - but to think of it, a cancellation wand would also work (if I go nekkid first) 21:35 any functional difference between steel and iron in evil? they appear to be the same 21:36 I'm assuming unnamed metal items are iron (unless they're also steel) 21:36 I have a steel dwarven helmet and one that's not named 21:38 rustability, methinks 21:38 Don't take my word for it, though 21:51 <@Sig> Iron is supereffective against some creatures, like elves, and steel isn't. So player elves get a huge hit to health regen if they're wearing iron, and they don't for steel, but iron weapons do extra damage against elves (and leprechauns, and some others I don't remember.) 21:52 <@Sig> An Iron vs Steel helm would only matter if you were playing an elf. 21:52 ah - good point about the elves - I'm thinking they rust the same (unless some dev got anal and made iron more rustable vs steel) 21:53 <@Sig> I guess you can wield an iron helm and hit elves with it but that sounds like a bad idea. 21:54 Or a funny one 21:54 Dunno how I didn't grok the fair folk bit before 21:54 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 21:55 <@riker> eraserhead steel == metal now 21:56 <@riker> like, steel is the non-rustable "metal", renamed to steel 21:56 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Object_materials 21:56 <@riker> steel is also +1 damage on weapons, I don't think the armor has any bonus other than non-rusting (can still get hit by the destroy armor spell though) 21:57 <@riker> uh oh, k2 is here, everbody hide 21:58 :P 22:00 so steel's like stain-less unrustable steel - got it 22:01 @K2 ya - that's where I looked first, but steel doesn't have its own row in that summary table 22:02 thx riker ^^ 22:04 eraserhead97 it does 22:04 Metal, reffered to as 'steel' 22:05 referred 22:05 blah 22:05 The razor-sharp blade cuts the gargoyle in half! <--- that never gets old 22:05 oh - under metal ok 22:05 -!- introsp31 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:05 maybe if you saw the commit it'd make more sense 22:06 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/6ced7ef4c65fa7247c2186b0075c2ef8e521e9ee 22:06 stainless steel should still corrode due to acid 22:07 unless METAL did that already? but I didn't think so 22:07 <@Sig> I didn't realize "metal" was naturally rustproof 22:07 Can you cut iron golems in half? 22:07 aosdict it didnt, but that's not a bad idea 22:07 I dunno if metal should be equated to steel, though - to me metal seems to be a class for all sorts of "metal" that hinders casting: iron, mithril, copper, etc... 22:07 METAL was a catch all term for non-ferrous metals 22:07 thus, they don't rust 22:08 but rusting is really just one type of corrosion 22:08 but what material hinders casting? 22:08 and steel is ferrous anyway, making this more confusing 22:08 way back in 3.4.x one of the devteam equates 'metal' as stainless steel 22:09 all metals + iron hinder casting? 22:09 Any metal does. 22:09 eraserhead97: AFAIK, every variant save possibly slex is agreed that any metal hinders casting. 22:09 iron is a metal 22:09 does iron? 22:09 including iron, gold and other metals 22:09 With the exception of helms of brilliance 22:09 don't say iron is a metal and then metal is steel, but metal doesn't rust 22:09 ooh boy 22:09 that's what's confusing 22:09 its not confusing 22:10 read the commits notes to the linki just posted 22:10 I did - it may not be confusing to you, but I'm still confused (my IQ prolly ain't hi enuf) 22:10 rofl 22:11 i'm sure your iq is fine eraserhead97 22:11 if anyone here needs their head examined, its me 22:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12 anyways... 'metal' in vanilla nethack and most other variants is just that -a metal that isnt iron, gold, silver, copper or platinum 22:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:12 for evilhack I just decided to give it an actual name 22:13 i've never liked the generic term 22:13 you can imagine it being depleted uranium, doesnt matter :) 22:14 eraserhead97: stainless steel itself is solid, I just have nitpicks with evilhack's implementation (like, why does a stainless steel mace get +1 smashing bonus over an iron mace) 22:14 quality bonus 22:14 and I feel that it should change the METAL constant to STEEL 22:14 if it's going to be named steel 22:14 ^ thats a lot more work 22:15 unnecessary work imo 22:15 which would only matter to people who mess with the code 22:16 to people who play, i'm betting they could care less how its expressed in the code 22:16 technical debt 22:16 makes more work and maintainability issues down the road 22:16 * K2 changes METAL to UNOBTANIUM 22:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17 correct me if wrong - vanilla: metal (non-rustable), iron (rustable). evil: steel/metal, copper, gold, silver, platinum (non-rustable), iron (rustable). All the materials just listed incur casting penalties. 22:18 eraserhead97: vanilla also has copper, gold, silver and platinum as defined materials 22:18 they're not lumped into metal 22:18 metal = steel for all intents and purposes 22:19 so the only difference evil made was to call metal as steel 22:19 bingo 22:19 does the word "metal" actually show up on items in vanilla? I forget... 22:19 'steel dwarvish chain mail' sounds way cooler than 'metal dwarvish chain mail' 22:19 because when there's nothing in vanilla, it's iron, right? 22:20 oh, I'm wrong 22:20 is chain mail metal or iron in vanilla? 22:20 there are a few items whose base material is METAL in vanilla, but because that is its base material, the object name doesnt start with 'metal' 22:20 it's iron/rustable, right? 22:20 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:20 iron is rustable yes 22:21 I mean in vanilla, "chain mail" is iron and rustable 22:21 and most metallic objects in vanilla have a base material as iron 22:21 yes 22:21 eraserhead97: only METAL items in vanilla are ya, scalpel, tsurugi, both whistles, tins, a few random wands 22:21 so there are a few weird items with steel as its base material, but it doesn't show up explicitly to the player? 22:22 steel ring too i think aosdict 22:22 ah - wands are unrustable! right 22:22 are amulets steel, I wonder... 22:22 I guess not - since they prolly don't hinder casting - lemme check 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1386 22:23 eraserhead97 - https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/objects.c <--- vanilla nethack objects.c file. you can easily see in this file what an objects base material is 22:23 hmm... ...no material in wiki 22:24 amulets are iron 22:24 save for two 22:24 but jewelry doesn't hinder casting, only armor 22:25 @K2 thx for link - interesting that they used literal strings for the material type rather than an enum - prolly just from legacy 22:25 makes it slightly trickier to modify/update code 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2588 points, T:1682, killed by a watchman 22:26 but amulets also don't rust (even though they're iron) - interesting 22:26 what? materials are stored as enum constants 22:27 not strings 22:27 nethack the memory-lightness-at-all-costs game would not use STRINGS to store something that could be held in an enum 22:28 nm - I was wrong - those strings are the un-id'ed names 22:28 eraserhead97 - in vanilla nethack only certain types of objects are subject to erosion, regardless of its material 22:28 in variants like grunthack and evilhack (and maybe a couple more i'm not aware of) many more object types were opened up to erosion 22:29 YANI: ring that provides magic resistance, but hinders your own spellcasting, and gradually drains Pw to continue providing magic resistance (if you're out, no resistance) 22:29 @K2 were erosion points in place in vanilla already or did you have to implement it in evil? 22:30 i had to add a few 22:31 aosdict heh that's almost an EPI 22:31 I liked zombie apocalypse better when I had a Sunsword (off an Aleax) in the last run... 22:32 ooh i just met my first displacer beast 22:32 brain-sucking/skill loss is a PITA - I need more missile weapons 22:32 K2: I was trying to think of ways to balance it so it's not just free MR for barbs or other non-spellcasters 22:32 yeah thats a cool idea 22:33 incentive for non spellcasting types to get their wisdom score higher 22:33 regen power faster 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 300 points, T:766, killed by a gnome 22:35 You resume your meal. You finish eating the displacer beast corpse. You feel that monsters have difficulty pinpointing your location. 22:35 oooh boy. this almost feels OP 22:35 intrinsic displacement 22:36 awwww! its gone 22:36 so its temporary 22:43 wow - this gray unicorn had a TON of loot on him (like 10 items) - never seen this 22:44 ah - he must've been lifting from the shop - LoL 22:44 ty uni 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1729 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:51357 22:46 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 22:56 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4780 23:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10 Kopfgeldbescheinigungen # oh German you'd think taking all the spaces out would make the words _shorter_ 23:11 Pinkbeast: Well, it does, doesn't it? 23:12 "Bounty payment" 23:12 "Impfpflicht" is quite short plus it counts six consonants in a row. ;) 23:13 That's not bad. 23:14 Pinkbeast: I don't think that the concept of bounty payment does exist in the German-speaking realm quite the US/anglo way. 23:14 Yes, and to be fair I'm playing Elite: Dangerous which of course started with concepts familiar to the English speaker. 23:15 AFK for a bit, but back later, if I find any more particularly fine expressions 23:16 "Impfpflicht" means that you have to be vaccinated, recently in Germany there's an Impfpflicht on the way for measles. 23:16 Mmm, I dict.leo.org-ed it 23:16 Viel Spaß afk. ;) 23:16 It's a slow process getting A from the K, lockdown has reduced me to a blob of jelly 23:17 Are you really lockdowned, locked down or however it is called? 23:17 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:18 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 23:18 About as locked down as a government as competent as ours can manage, which is to say, not much, since they would experience difficulty pouring piss out of a boot were the instructions printed on the sole; but personally, I'm trying to go outside for necessities once a fortnight and more or less succeeding. 23:19 Got it. Sounds familiar. ;) 23:20 hah 23:21 Huh! 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 381507 points, T:52205, petrified by an elf-lord 23:24 welp 23:24 oops 23:25 ouch K2 23:25 <{Demo}1> :( 23:26 what I get for being burdened 23:28 question, any good reason you can't we use items directly from the inventory screen by tapping their letter? 23:28 oops 23:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30 [hdf-us] [fh] Bobbie (phollenback) (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of groovejumper, the former Sightseer, on T:2653 23:36 !lastgame k2 23:36 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nethack/dumplog/1589163201.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1587912127.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1587911402.dnh.txt 23:36 omg after 52k turns? 23:37 that game was special. i normally dont take that long to get to the castle 23:38 ah well 23:39 ah well 23:39 what were you doing that game? 23:39 finding new ways to almost but not quite die repeatedly 23:40 ha 23:40 <@riker> good learning experience 23:40 it was just one of those games that started out badly and didnt really improve all that much 23:41 ah. those happen 23:41 yup 23:45 great if you can pull off the win and spit in the eye of fate though 23:48 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:52 hey, in Evil, was it supposed to be a thing that you can fall trough a trap door and land in a river? like in mines maps? 23:52 only if its safe to land on deep water 23:52 like if you're wearing water walking boots 23:55 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5205 23:55 ah, that's helpful check at least to make it not completely cruel. Recent game, I landed on edge of water. survived but lost half my inventory which still made me sad 23:56 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:58 in other #evil news, I discovered that introducing zombies into shops to meet the shopkeeper is a useful early game trick... 23:58 :) 23:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 3646 points, T:5424, killed by a gnomish soldier