00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:20700 00:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:17312 00:30 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36 -!- murphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19179 00:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:50674 01:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 54555 points, T:5042, killed by a lightning paraelemental, while praying 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:50764 01:06 -!- moony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10 -!- murphy_ has joined #hardfought 01:14 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 01:51 [hdf-us] [slex] murgatroid99 (Zyb Asg Fem Neu), 25019 points, T:11984, killed by a monster (shark) 02:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:3234 02:25 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 02:25 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:28 [hdf-us] [slex] murgatroid99 (Zyb Asg Mal Cha), 7200 points, T:3967, quit 02:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:27146 03:00 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 03:01 what's the deal with dipping for Cali in evil? Does it depend on luck? My longsword evaporated! 03:07 Never done that myself, but it's in the evilhack wiki page: "Once it is "thoroughly rusty", one more dip will cause it to rust away unless you are successful in getting Excalibur." 03:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:08 mobileuser oooh - TY 03:08 Yikes 03:08 brutally evil 03:08 yes 03:08 <@ShivanHunter> lol rip 03:08 :b 03:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:52174 03:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:27780 03:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:31 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:52493 03:37 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:41 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 03:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:53025 03:53 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Val Hum Fem Law), 2669 points, T:4467, escaped 04:05 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08 uhh... my slex game just crashed 04:09 !tell K2 my slex game crashed on hdf-eu, is there a backtrace? it happened when I killed a monster; I can probably autorecover but would like to have the backtrace first if possible :) 04:09 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 04:09 I don't see the problem. :B 04:09 Gentle ribbing aside, what monster 04:10 shattered ziggurat cultist; there were two, I could kill the first one no problem, but when I killed the second one, the game was gone 04:10 could of course also be something unrelated, that's why it's backtrace or bust 04:10 My glorkum sense is tingling 04:10 *completely unrefined glorkum sense 04:10 and I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wish unix weren't so goddamn stupid to overwrite the backtrace whenever a new one is generated 04:11 that way I have to hope no one else plays on hdf-eu until I get the backtrace or if someone does, that their game doesn't crash as well 04:13 Mm :\ 04:22 out of interest what do you mean by they get overridden? 04:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Val Gia Fem Law), 1546 points, T:2358, killed by a gnome lord 04:25 there is one "slex.core" file at a time, generated when the game crashes. if it crashes again, even with a different user, a new slex.core file is generated and the old one... just doesn't exist anymore 04:25 and it's like that for all the variants, afaik 04:25 one core file per variant, so if you get a crash, better hope the admins can run gdb on the core file before someone else gets a crash 04:26 if I were playing on esm it'd be a non-issue because I'm an admin of that server, but in this case I played on hdf-eu 04:28 kick your server admin then 04:28 it's configurable how core dumps are named 04:29 huh, it is? how can that be configured? 04:29 the OS creates the core dump, the OS can name it how it likes 04:29 yeah but how do you teach it to give sequential file names? 04:30 I'm not that familiar with unix 04:30 for example a date pattern 04:30 https://linux.die.net/man/5/core 04:31 although if it's a systemd system, it's different AFAIK. as I said, kick your server admin. 04:31 that's his job 04:32 ah, I see 04:40 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:18 bhaak: how *dare* you 05:18 > implying we would run a systemd system 05:20 just give in and accept what our arch overlords have decided for us 05:20 btw I run arch 05:20 I also run arch 05:20 begrudgingly 05:21 but only because void is drama and buggy, and my computer is too weak for gentoo 05:21 no computer is too weak for gentoo 05:21 gentoo is just a question of time 05:21 hi moon-child, I've got it to work as intended, now core dumps on our server will have sequential filenames instead of overwriting each other :) you can ignore the two !tell messages I sent you 05:22 if you're not done compiling version N of a package before version N+1 is out, then you're, uh, ahem 05:22 LarienTelrunya: cool 05:23 you're not supposed to run "emerge world" daily 05:24 That's good, because it can take a couple of weeks to finish. 05:24 If you're on dialup. 05:24 Ask me how I know. 05:29 hey jonadab, how do you know? 05:45 that is much more of a problem than compilation time. I wouldn't choose a rolling release distro if I were still on dialup :-) 05:47 compilation time can be improved with less demanding compiler flags, or stuff like ccache and distcc (although that has been becoming lesse effective since more non-C/C++ stuff enters the tree) 05:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 06:13 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 06:32 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 06:32 LarienTelrunya: pretty sure the overwriting of core dumps is configurable. We just haven't configured it. 06:33 ah hi Tangles! maybe you can check whether there is a core dump on hdf-eu for slex from a few hours ago? 06:37 having a backtrace of that crash would be awesome ;) 06:40 LarienTelrunya: Yeah I'm already looking at it... Sorry got a couple of other things on the go as well. 06:43 ah thanks! it's not urgent, I have to vacuum the house first anyway :) 06:47 LarienTelrunya: https://0x0.st/i2pr.txt 06:49 #4 0x00000000012b52a2 in new_were (mon=0x3a96890) at were.c:238 06:49 238 impossible("unknown lycanthrope %s.", mon->data->mname); 06:49 (gdb) print mon->data->mname 06:49 $1 = 0x145726c "player glorkum" 06:50 Tangles: thanks a lot! uh, so it's a bug with a lycanthrope monster 06:51 thanks for figuring out which base monster it is... Umbire was right, it *was* a glorkum 06:51 Fuckin' knew it! 06:51 (somehow) 06:52 and I guess it'll crash again if I were to recover, because the glorkum is still an unknown lycanthrope 06:52 so I need to devise an actual fix for that to make unknown lycanthropes not shapeshift 06:52 https://0x0.st/i2pi.txt - that's the mon struct 06:53 mnum = 32827??? 06:54 that's greater than 32768, I hope that that's not the actual cause of the error though 06:54 https://0x0.st/i2pH.txt 06:54 that one is mon->data (showing mname as "player glorkum" as expected) 06:55 ah the permonst, thanks, I guess one of the flags2 entries is M2_WERE 06:55 damn... I thought I had prevented those from spawning with M2_WERE, but apparently not... 06:55 mnum is an int, so 32827 is fine 06:56 if I convert mflags2 (which is 101765921) to hex, I should then be able to easily see which bits are on, right? 06:56 Yeah you should be able to decode that. 06:58 M2_NOPOLY, M2_DWARF, M2_HOBBIT, *M2_WERE* (BUG), M2_DEMON, M2_GIANT, M2_PRINCE, M2_HOSTILE, M2_NASTY and M2_STRONG 06:58 now let's figure out how u_init.c could give it M2_WERE 06:59 oh shit I am so stupid 07:00 okay, I should probably stand in the corner for the next hour or something, because I did such a shitty copy-and-paste job 07:01 Glad you found it anyway :) 07:02 IIRC Tariru got hit by that error on one of his runs too and back then I couldn't figure it out 07:05 The other issue is that it segfaulted inside impossible. That should not happen. 07:06 yeah, I'm not sure why it couldn't just display the monster's name; I've devised a fix now, which changes the impossible message such that it shows the monster's mnum instead of the name string 07:06 It looks like you're unpacking VA_ARGS to write to the paniclog, then using them again to pass to vpline to output the error. I think that may be illegal. 07:08 oh, if it segfaulted during an impossible call, is there maybe a .e file for AmyBSOD in the slex folder somewhere? 07:08 you should just pline(pbuf) instead (inside the block where pbuf is declared) 07:08 yeah I'll look into that too, and compare it to how other variants handle impossible() 07:09 about the .e file, there shouldn't be one but if there is, I fear that this crash may have shredded my savegame by having a bunch of level files in the playground and also a .e file 07:10 two vanilla monster additions (from slash'em) :O 07:10 waaaaaaaaaaaaat 07:10 did... did the world just end? vanilla *never* adds new monsters 07:10 Oh, you saw the commit finally 07:11 that and the two amulets as well, really neat 07:11 I thought the world ended the moment there was a version past 3.4.3 and we were just in a simulation 07:11 WUT, THOSE they had to pick??? monsters that can completely screw the player over (well, one of those two can)? 07:11 ...is along the lines of a response I'd expect 07:12 lol and they're still calling that "vanilla"? who are they kidding? 07:12 are there any changes to vanilla you actually like Amy? :P 07:12 Enemy displacement is gonna be fun, gene engies are gonna be more ah 07:12 amateurhour: very few 07:12 :'D 07:12 Fun™️ 07:12 LarienTelrunya: there is no .e file that I can see, but there are some level files (about 40). 07:12 Tangles: ah cool, so I'll try to autorecover now *crosses fingers*. 07:13 yep, seems to have worked, I'm back in the game 07:13 nice :) 07:13 amateurhour: I say this as someone who can't resist pith like the above statements wrt constant derision of vanilla changes 07:13 Gene engineers are gonna be fucking scary 07:13 now the problem is though that this bugged glorkum monster is still there and will just crash again. Tangles: can you pull slex bugfixes from master and apply them or should I wait for K2? 07:14 Not the first I've felt iffy on a vanilla addition, but definitely the most hair-raising 07:14 morning 07:14 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-05-04 04:09 EDT: my slex game crashed on hdf-eu, is there a backtrace? it happened when I killed a monster; I can probably autorecover but would like to have the backtrace first if possible :) 07:14 LarienTelrunya: I have not done any of that for a while, but I can probably... 07:14 oh Hi K2! 07:14 o/ 07:15 oh hi K2! sorry for the mess, I had a crash in slex but Tangles already gave me the backtrace. now there's a fix for this crash on the master branch; I'll hold off continuing my game until that is applied because otherwise it'll just crash again 07:15 They're diff. 14, which puts them roughly on disenchanter level (which in turn I usually don't see until LATE late in the dungeon, and I have a few preventative measures by then at least) 07:15 i've already met my quota for slex updates this month. so sorry 07:15 what?! the month has just begun! 07:15 And the melee can apparently be dealt with via magic resistance 07:15 :P 07:15 hahaha :D 07:15 But the initial prospect, on its face, is a downright pisser 07:16 actually the bugfix is two-fold: one should prevent future spawns of the bugged monster, the other should hopefully prevent crashes on old saves where the monster already spawned with bugged modifiers 07:20 [backscroll] Even with displacer beasts, am I right in thinking that proper monster displacement still isn't implemented? 07:20 I'd think so 07:21 Slash' EM Extended updated (all servers) 07:21 * Umbire glances back at shimmering dragons 07:22 it sounds like it just swaps places with you 07:22 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 07:22 thanks K2! now I'll test whether that glorkum thing really stopped crashing 07:23 but I'll have to keep in mind what Tangles said, namely that the impossible() handler in slex seems to be screwy, not converting %s to a string 07:23 other variants don't have that problem, right? so I should steal some code from a variant where it works properly 07:24 yep, crash gone :) woohoo! many thanks for all the help Tangles and K2! ♥ 07:24 Yay LT 07:25 Umbire, heh, go team glorkum! 07:26 No worries :) 07:26 another weird thing I just now noticed is that only slashem seems to have a panic.c while other variants have that stuff in pline.c 07:28 oh wait, panic.c is windows-specific and therefore doesn't get committed, nevermind then 07:28 Oh hey - contents of paniclog: 07:28 2.6.6 20200504: impossible unknown lycanthrope player glorkum. 07:28 2.6.6 20200504: impossible unknown lycanthrope 32827. 07:29 yeah that's the bugfix kicking in, which changed the monster name to its id; as long as the monster still exists in my game, it'll spam me with impossible() messages, but at least it doesn't crash now :) 07:29 No issues printing the monster name the first time. Almost certanly the second reference to VA_ARGS is what is causing the crash. 07:29 yes, I've noticed that too: in the paniclog it displays everything properly, but not in-game 07:29 that's why I'm now comparing slex's impossible() function to unnethack's to see if I can find something 07:31 Vsprintf(pbuf, s, VA_ARGS); 07:31 is what unnethack is doing 07:31 vsnprintf(pbuf,sizeof pbuf,s,VA_ARGS); 07:31 is what slex is doing 07:32 that part is fine. 07:32 vsnprintf is technically safer. 07:33 huh but what could be the issue then? https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/src/pline.c#L310 and https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/master/src/pline.c#L572 are the functions in un and slex 07:33 they don't look that different to me... 07:34 The difference is exactly what I said. Unnethack uses VA_ARGS once to make pbuf, then uses pbuf both for the paniclog and for pline. 07:35 OH 07:35 slex uses VA_ARGS a second time. There is some dark magic in those varargs macros, you need to read the manpages very carefully. 07:36 you mean the vpline call in slex, vpline(s,VA_ARGS); ? 07:36 yes, that is where it crashes. 07:36 and unnethack instead just does: pline("%s", pbuf); 07:36 You already have the string you want in pbuf, so just pline that. 07:37 so if I were to change that, it should fix those issues once and for all 07:37 oh yeah pline ("%s2.6.6 20200504: impossible unknown lycanthrope player glorkum. 07:37 2.6.6 20200504: impossible unknown lycanthrope 32827. 07:37 ugh sorry. 07:38 the "%s" in pline silences compiler warnings about variable format strings or somesuch (can't remember the wording) 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 713 points, T:2388, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 07:39 yeah I remember when slex had lots of pline(randommessage()); calls that the compiler complained about until I changed it to pline("%s", randommessage()); 07:39 Yeah, I vaguely recall last time I compiled slex there were a few places warning occured. 07:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:27637 07:39 probably quite a loose definition of 'a few' ;) 07:40 heh, a bunch of them got fixed by now, although some still remain 07:40 but I actually wasn't aware that the impossible messages were just using regular pline() functions to be displayed in-game 07:43 Tangles: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/2031dc9a9 - would you say this should do the trick? 07:44 That probably won't compile because pbuf is declared inside a block above. 07:44 ARGH 07:45 You can move the pline inside the block, or just get rid of the block altogether, I don't think you need it. 07:45 yeah, doing that now :) 07:46 okay fixed! 07:48 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4804 points, T:5038, dismembered by a rothe 07:48 yay! 07:48 K2: sorry to annoy you again but Tangles found out the major problem with slex's impossible() function. bugfix is at the master branch again (two commits) :) 07:49 that bug has bugged me for so long and now it should finally be removed! thanks again Tangles, without your help I probably wouldn't have figured that out at all 07:51 regular slashem has the same problem, so if anything calls impossible() with a %s in there, it'll crash 07:51 this goes to show just how bug-ridden the original slashem is, compared to variants like unnethack which have that stuff working correctly :P 07:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:28188 07:54 The only downside to all this is now that impossible() doesn't crash, you won't get any backtraces. 07:55 You'll need to use panic() for that. 07:55 heh, but on the bright side, I'll now actually get to see the impossible() messages! 07:55 they used to always display wrong numbers in-game whenever they had a %d too 07:56 and %s would actually crash, which is why that one unnethack panic message I ported to slex was causing crashes back in the day despite bhaak claiming it worked in un 07:56 Slash' EM Extended updated (all servers) 07:56 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 07:56 haha that'd just be overrun into uninitialised memory (or other memory on the stack) 07:56 the %d thing. 07:56 thanks K2 ♥ 07:57 that doesn't crash, because any memory contents can be displayed as a number. %s is a pointer, so it's pot luck whether the random value you get points to something it can use. 07:58 IIRC, the first time I compiled slashem locally and run in wizard mode, it crashed when doing # ? 07:58 heh, yeah that was also the missingno problem back in the day: it read random memory as monster data, including a pointer to the name which very rarely actually was a pointer 07:58 and whenever it wasn't, displaying its name would crash 07:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:03 !tell eraserhead97 only lawful knights can dip for excalibur in evilhack (sporkhack also) 08:03 I'm on it, K2. 08:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 403 points, T:1138, killed by a hobbit 08:06 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 913 points, T:1262, killed by a giant spider 08:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ran Bat Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1035 08:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ran Bat Mal Cha), 3565 points, T:1466, killed by a giant spider 08:31 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:33 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:38 [hdf-us] [fh] warron (zor) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 23664 points, T:766, killed by a giant bat 08:45 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 08:45 !lastgame nabru 08:46 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1588554000.nh.html 08:53 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10 points, T:110, killed by a gas cloud 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:35, killed by an orcish dagger 08:58 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:01 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 866 points, T:2171, overpowered by a deep one, while praying 09:03 [hdf-us] [fh] gladvor (zor) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the quivering blob of niabx, the former Acolyte, on T:1693 09:10 darn, a microlance mine town 09:11 no priest to buy protection :-) 09:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24 [hdf-us] [fh] Reine (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the ghost of Niera, the former Skirmisher, on T:3491 09:24 [hdf-us] [fh] Reine (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law) received advice from The Oracle, on T:3502 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:28839 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:1241 09:27 [hdf-us] [fh] gladvor (zor) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 40916 points, T:2259, killed by an owlbear 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:28845 09:28 <@Pacra> that priest looking good @microlance 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1574 09:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Vam Fem Neu), 12077 points, T:2888, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1690 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:2375 09:37 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:83901 09:38 <@microlance> i just need a reverse genocide on nurses for some more hp and reflection ofc, then when i get next wish i should be able to get the caveman mace 09:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Bat Fem Neu), 358 points, T:694, killed by a dwarf 09:40 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) killed Gluttony, on T:83913 09:44 -!- murphy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45 -!- murphy_ has joined #hardfought 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Pri Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:26169 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh4] nonagon (hackedhead) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 37924 points, T:5165, quit 09:46 [hdf-us] [slshm] pussycat (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 4487 points, T:4427, poisoned by a killer bee 09:47 [hdf-us] [fh] Reine (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 53905 points, T:5277, killed by a queen bee 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7762 points, T:4148, killed by a bolt of fire 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law), 549 points, T:1219, killed by a rabid rat 09:53 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:83971 10:00 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha), 5700478 points, T:83996, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/splicehack/dumplog/1586373538.splice.html 10:01 nice 10:01 grats arnibald 10:01 Hoorah 10:01 [hdf-us] [un] Enwe (Val Hum Fem Law), 294 points, T:832, killed by a troll 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law), 2155 points, T:2666, killed by a giant ant 10:19 !lastgame AmyBSOD 10:19 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:AmyBSOD) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1587911011.slex.txt 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2393 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42151 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42166 10:39 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 10:40 hi 10:40 Hello porkman, Welcome to #hardfought 10:40 yo 10:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:44 !pom 10:44 NAOrsa: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 2 days. 10:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] porkman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:3069 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2176 points, T:4061, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] porkman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1213 points, T:3259, killed by a dingo 10:52 <@Sweet Bodhi> lawful more like awful 10:52 <@Sweet Bodhi> the player takes the l 10:52 !PoM 10:52 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 2 days. 10:53 wow, 29 games and i haven't gotten anywhere with an orc rogue. this is the worst performance ever for me 10:53 :/ 10:53 who can we blame 10:53 i blame you 10:53 <{Demo}> me 2 10:53 see i knew that was coming 10:54 feeling guilty are we 10:54 <{Demo}> and I don't even know what we r talking about 10:54 you're 100% wrong, but blame away :) 10:54 blame the goderator, the manager of our misfortune, not-okay two 10:55 you would have gotten a dlvl 1 wand of wishing but he remoted in to delete it :( 10:55 no if you knew it was coming then you feel guilty, so you are 10:55 qed 10:56 there's only one variant that allows for a 'dungeon master' to remote in and change things in real time (and that's disabled on hardfought) 10:56 take a guess which variant 10:56 no way 10:56 gnollhack? 10:57 <{Demo}> slex 10:57 K2: huh? you disabled that on purpose? 10:57 oh wow it actually is slex huh 10:57 we have our answer 10:58 if it's because of junethack, gm mode games are already not eligible for that 10:59 LarienTelrunya i disabled it because no one should ever be able to access someone's game in real time and change things 10:59 whats the word i am looking for... oh yeah. cheating 10:59 K2: huh? all it does is spawn whichever monster the GM decides to spawn, and it's a non-scoring mode of course 11:00 leaving money on the table there K2 :^) 11:00 [hdf-us] [fh] Vera (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:3111 11:00 LarienTelrunya that doesnt matter 11:00 why would that be cheating, the dumplog says that it was GM mode so no one would believe such an ascension to be genuine 11:00 say i'm about to ascend but you dont want me to. you go into gm mode and start throwing a bunch of high level monsters at me 11:00 if I had known that in advance, I'd not have bothered coding the GM mode at all... 11:00 fuck that noise 11:00 K2, amy would never help you cheat 11:01 she'd fuck up your game, that's all 11:01 that makes me fell 100% better thanks porkman 11:01 get to astral? bwahaha, now you die --GM 11:01 *feel 11:01 also the GM mode is a birth option, you either start with it enabled or not, I can't simply decide "ohh player X is very far, I'll spawn 20 demogorgons now!" 11:01 which you would totally do if they did agree to GM mode 11:01 just the fact that the capability exists 11:01 haha 11:02 so if you want gm mode enabled for slex on your own server, thats you 11:02 it wont ever be a thing here 11:02 *ever* 11:02 LarienTelrunya: technically, you can manipulate a running game 11:02 yeah, just attach a debugger and go to work 11:02 K2: would have been nice if you had actually told me earlier... 11:02 that i even have to explain why this is a bad thing confuses me 11:02 all the time I thought "huh? why does mail on slex not work anymore, is that a bug?" 11:03 i did tell you a long time ago 11:03 ? somehow I must have missed that 11:03 there was some version we updated to a long time ago, and I noticed that setting snuck in 11:03 this makes me want to check it again 11:05 meh, I can put the entire gmmode stuff behind a (default OFF, of course) define if it's not meant to work anyway 11:05 oooh 11:05 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:05 does that mean Pork'em will inherit GM mode? 11:06 well yes, since you forked a version where it exists... 11:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Client Quit] 11:07 Technically, the whole mail system is an instance of "accessing someone's game in real time and changing things". 11:07 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:07 heh, let's disable mail completely then! it allows other players to enable a player to cross the plane of air even when they don't have junk to throw! 11:07 See: the Plane of Air mail-scroll-throwing episode. 11:07 -!- Umbire has left #hardfought 11:08 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:08 aosdict yes but you're splitting hairs 11:08 sending someone mail is not gm mode 11:11 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:11 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 11:11 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:11 * aosdict puts down the Tsurugi of Muramasa 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:50390 11:17 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: rerouting] 11:18 <{Demo}> hey aosdict, you think enchant armor allowing you to select an armor piece to enchant instead of picking one at random would be the kind of QoL improvement xnh seeks to provide or not? it could be a nice addition to the game 11:19 {Demo}: iirc that's planned 11:19 <{Demo}> oh nice 11:19 I already made blessed destroy armor do that 11:19 maybe do random if you're confused 11:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:21 {Demo}: actually the plan is to do the Scroll of Enchantment patch, which will mean you pick from all enchantable things in your inventory anyway 11:23 how the heck do you get rid of evilhack zombies? 11:23 eat them 11:23 ^ kidding, dont do that 11:23 Demo, slex has it, it's totally awesome 11:26 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first artifact wish - "the blessed +2 greased Mitre of Holiness", on T:119309 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:42404 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] porkman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2513 points, T:4004, killed by a dwarf 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 307 points, T:1151, killed by a narrow pointy spike 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3528 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3723 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:120153 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:42799 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:42803 11:47 porkman, try Convict, then you can actually eat them 11:47 [hdf-us] [fh] Vera (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the ghost of Morgana, the former Fighter, on T:5757 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:27958 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4622 11:52 damn whoever created evilhack, i have to ascend it now 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:25484 11:53 :) 11:54 porkman: you can throw zombie corpses into lava or dip them into forges, but the easiest way is to lock them in boxes 11:54 or bury them 11:54 or tin them whenever i get a tinning kit heh 11:55 then you can eat them 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] porkman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 227 points, T:307, killed by a piranha 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28035 11:56 [hdf-us] [fh] Vera (Lyra) (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the ghost of Liana, the former Fighter, on T:6106 11:57 wait what happened to nalzok? 11:57 oh. that was back a bit 11:59 moloch should have told him a priest with a mace of frost was on her way 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:2408 12:07 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 12:07 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- moony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:50546 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:121596 12:16 cloak of protection wish? 12:16 ah, for new MC 12:20 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] porkman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 524 points, T:707, killed by an Akalapi the human zombie 12:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Bat Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1163 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:50724 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:50725 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1197 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Bat Fem Neu), 4494 points, T:1591, killed by a winged kobold 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:50739 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1237 12:31 huh 12:31 12:34 -!- klintos has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1780 points, T:1355, killed by a djinni 12:35 -!- klintos has joined #hardfought 12:36 is it possible to have a castle without a wand of wishing? 12:36 No 12:36 in vanilla? 12:36 cause thats what i appear to have. theres no chest on the square with elbereh burned into it. 12:37 Soldiers will more often than not steal the chest though. 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:50783 12:37 ok, hopefully its somewhere 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:50839 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:26254 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3988 points, T:1708, killed by a wererat 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 467 points, T:1022, killed by an imp 12:46