00:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1258
00:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9584
00:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:2514
00:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:10541
00:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 80174 points, T:16622, killed by an energy vortex
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00:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4237
00:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4797
00:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:4812
00:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] eraserhead97 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 66172 points, T:5534, escaped
00:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3876 points, T:5386, killed by a dwarf
00:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:638
00:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:701
01:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 819 points, T:2649, killed by a rabid rat
01:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:293
01:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:805
01:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 696 points, T:1550, killed by a dingo
01:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:499
01:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 513 points, T:763, killed by a giant rat
01:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 15 points, T:214, killed by a falling rock
01:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:245
01:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 267 points, T:519, killed by a small mimic
01:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 17 points, T:120, killed by a fox
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04:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 166 points, T:668, killed by a crossbow bolt
04:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 116 points, T:652, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food
04:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 425 points, T:1168, killed by a kitten
04:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 708 points, T:1692, killed by a giant mosquito
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06:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 146 points, T:543, defeated by a jackal
06:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 116 points, T:450, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion
06:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 74 points, T:532, killed by a wand
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06:26 <amateurhour> that juiblex commit in evilhack sounds really nasty
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07:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Kni Ang Nbn Law), 403 points, T:2020, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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07:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Finhir (Enwe) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9396 points, T:2023, killed by a jaguar
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07:57 <K2> morning
07:57 <amateurhour> heya :)
07:57 <K2> o/
07:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] musicdemon (Tos Teu Fem Cha), 73147 points, T:9593, killed by a monster (dwarven brigand thief)
07:59 <nabru> morning! \o
07:59 <Tangles> Hi K2!
08:00 <Tangles> !who
08:00 <Beholder> Tangles: [hdf-us] nabru [nh370] post163 [fh] Purdymouth [xnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] elenmirie [evil] mosen [nh370] Hill [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370]
08:00 <K2> Tangles \o/
08:00 <Tangles> How's things?
08:00 <Tangles> Feel like I don't get back here often enough these days :/
08:00 <K2> going ok. in the office this morning heh
08:00 <K2> i know, i've noticed :/
08:00 <K2> figure you're just busy with real life things
08:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1087
08:01 <amateurhour> that juiblex change sounds nasty :'D
08:01 <K2> little less of a pushover yeah
08:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1164
08:02 <K2> its still easier than a lot of other demon lords
08:02 <K2> Tangles I ordered a couple C programming books
08:02 <K2> i finally did it hah
08:03 <K2> i figure if i rest the books on my head while i sleep the knowledge will just seep in
08:03 <amateurhour> I've heard of those, they're like offline websites that don't even support gifs or videos
08:03 <amateurhour> how very retro
08:03 <K2> i hear the have pictures
08:03 <K2> *they
08:04 <K2> static pictures even
08:04 <nabru> "You start reading the C programming book. You feel threatened! You can move again."
08:04 <K2> ^ that
08:04 <K2> I got C for dummies
08:04 <amateurhour> are there any good modern C books?
08:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:460
08:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 390 points, T:475, killed by a gnome lord
08:05 <K2> I also ordered 'C in a nutshell: The Definitive Reference' 2nd edition
08:05 <amateurhour> with thinking of aimed at C11 or C18 as 'modern' 
08:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:1761
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08:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:355
08:15 <Tangles> K2: Yeah getting into the books should make a big difference!
08:15 <K2> i hope
08:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2943 points, T:2619, killed by an orc-captain
08:16 <K2> i'll just skip ahead to the section titled 'fix all my nethack bugs kthx'
08:17 <Tangles> It will fill some gaps anyway
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08:18 <Tangles> Did you get K&R? Can you still even get that?
08:19 <K2> i think you can, I dont think i did
08:20 <Andrio> You sold an uncursed rusty +0 orcish ring mail for 40 gold pieces.
08:20 <Andrio> Not sure why he paid; that thing's a piece of junk
08:20 <K2> this is one of the books I ordered - http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920033844.do
08:23 <amateurhour> sounds like what I was after
08:24 <Tangles> Oh yeah I always remember those nutshell books being good.
08:24 <amateurhour> I wonder if there'll be a third edition for C2x
08:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1356
08:24 <rld> <@plisp> read K&R tbh
08:25 <rld> <@Pacra> i should really read that one
08:25 <rld> <@Pacra> K&R?
08:25 <rld> <@plisp> The C Programming Language
08:25 <rld> <@Pacra> ah
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08:27 <Tangles> I'm surprised it took them until 2015 to make a 2nd edition.  My K&R is the 'Ansi C' edition, purchased in '92 lol. Well it was. I loaned it to someone a couple of years back. Not sure if I'll see it again.
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08:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2071
08:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Adept, on T:9077
08:34 <K2> is there a big difference betweem K&R C and non-K&R?
08:34 <LarienTelrunya> ooh C books, I still have "C for yourself" in my backpack and I used to read it to pass the time when waiting for a train ;)
08:35 <LarienTelrunya> reading it replicates the effect of a potion of sleeping on me :P
08:35 <LarienTelrunya> it's a really good substitute for a sleeping pill!
08:35 <K2> hah
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08:38 <mobileuser> Things that are here:
08:38 <mobileuser> a glorkum 1 0 0
08:38 <K2> gdammit
08:38 <mobileuser> I found a glorkum!
08:38 <K2> still??
08:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2817
08:38 <mobileuser> that is bad news?
08:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2849
08:39 <K2> no its just a nuisance
08:39 <K2> well
08:39 <K2> if i remember correctly it can crash the game if you try and do things with it
08:39 <mobileuser> what happens if I pick it up?
08:39 <mobileuser> oh
08:39 <mobileuser> better leave it
08:39 <K2> you just found it on the ground?
08:39 <LarienTelrunya> yaaaaaaaay a glorkum!
08:39 <mobileuser> yes
08:39 <K2> did you kill something and it dropped it?
08:39 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> sleep with the books on your head? what kind of idea is that?
08:40 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> everyone knows you need to eat the book to absorb the knowledge
08:40 <mobileuser> I think so. It's all a blurr since I am forced to massively grind at the moment
08:41 <K2> ugh
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08:42 <amateurhour> what're you grinding for?
08:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:3728
08:43 <mobileuser> potions of (any) healing, scrolls to morph
08:43 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> ive just started studying Java
08:43 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> gods help me
08:43 <amateurhour> ah because you lost the buffed health from vampire form?
08:43 <rld> <@plisp> 🙏
08:44 <rld> <@plisp> You really need to write C to learn it
08:44 <mobileuser> I am still vampire, but to survive I need to massively boost my HP first
08:44 <amateurhour> oh right
08:44 <mobileuser> found a magic lamp, if I am 4/5 lucky I'll get a magic marker
08:45 <mobileuser> hopefully bring in some nurses
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08:46 <mobileuser> then I'll make a very large stack of cursed teleport
08:46 <K2> mobileuser did you just now see the glorkum?
08:46 <mobileuser> Yes
08:46 <K2> mind saving? I'd like a copy of your save
08:46 <mobileuser> Game saved
08:46 <mobileuser> logged out
08:47 <K2> ok got it
08:47 <K2> thanks
08:47 <mobileuser> glorkum 1 0 0, I hear they are rare :-)
08:48 <K2> heh
08:49 <K2> @plisp yeah so far my only experience with C has been with nethack
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08:49 <K2> maybe if i write some things from scratch i'll start to grok it better
08:50 <K2> 'more betterly'
08:53 <rld> <@plisp> From what I’ve seen Nethack is a quite a thorny codebase. Do you hack on it?
08:53 <{Demo}> k2 sees glorkums in his sleep
08:54 <amateurhour> it's not that thorny, it's laid out quite well and the comments are really helpful
08:54 <K2> @plisp yup - i'm the dev for evilhack
08:55 <K2> 'dev' as in I hit the keyboard repeatedly with my head and sometimes useful things happen
08:55 <mobileuser> or glorkums appear
08:56 <K2> mobileuser where was the glorkum on this level?
08:57 <{Demo}> show me on this doll where the glorkum hurt you
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08:58 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> * smashes doll *
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08:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cavemain (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 191 points, T:549, killed by a boulder
08:59 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> ow
08:59 <K2> nm found it
09:01 <mobileuser> I was standing on top of it :-)
09:02 <K2> heh yeah i figured that out :P
09:02 <K2> i started walking around everywhere looking for it
09:03 <mobileuser> I should have warned you ;-)
09:05 <K2> :P
09:05 <K2> remember what you killed that dropped it?
09:06 <K2> huh now its gone
09:06 <K2> and now its back
09:06 <K2> wtf
09:06 <K2> i cant pick it up
09:06 <{Demo}> you think it would really let you capture it like that?
09:06 <{Demo}> is it quan 0?
09:07 <{Demo}> if it is quan 0, then yeah, nah, good luck picking it up
09:07 <K2> i could kick it though
09:07 <{Demo}> also DO NOT stack it with another quan 0 item, the game will crash
09:07 <K2> it looks like a mimic trying to be armor
09:07 <{Demo}> STRANGE_OBJECT yeah
09:07 <K2> yup
09:07 <mobileuser> I think it is something that dropped a loooong time ago
09:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cavemain (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:775
09:09 <mobileuser> Oh, you mean it is a mimic looking like a glorkum?
09:10 <mobileuser> There is a ring of protect against shapechangers in inventory or the bag I think
09:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5341 points, T:5273, killed by a black unicorn
09:12 <K2> mobileuser no, the object that is a glorkum looks like a mimic pretending to be armor (symbol is backwards)
09:12 <mobileuser> Ah the glyph
09:12 <Andrio> Is it a bug that the wand of striking doesn't auto-identify any more?
09:12 <K2> Andrio not sure
09:13 <K2> you're playing 3.7 still correct?
09:13 <Andrio> Yeah.
09:13 <Andrio> The dwarf zaps a crystal wand! The wand misses you. You kill the dwarf! v - a crystal wand
09:13 <K2> hmm
09:14 <K2> damn you work... pulling me away from nethack things
09:14 <K2> brb
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09:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:258
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09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:788
09:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1573
09:37 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> should i wear a cursed poly uncursed poly control ring combo
09:37 <Andrio> Holy hell Karnac
09:37 <Andrio> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5m7r3ydrvqi3dx6/annotation%202020-04-29%20233650.png?raw=1
09:38 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> yikes
09:38 <K2> wow
09:38 <K2> thats awesome
09:41 <Andrio> Magic lamp, 75 zm horn, bag of holding
09:41 <Andrio> No wand of wishing, sadly.
09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bin Inc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1948
09:42 <Andrio> Yay tenguport control.
09:43 <Andrio> A unicorn spawned in the shop and is raiding it.
09:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 45 points, T:160, killed by a boulder
09:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1908 points, T:2748, killed by a mumak
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09:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:9371
09:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:101
09:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:267
09:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bin Inc Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:4508
09:55 <{Demo}> too bad I can't really use it yet lol
09:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:729
09:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 934 points, T:2217, killed by a guard
09:58 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> I forgot vault guards are hostile to convict players
09:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:44021
09:59 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> what's the easiest port for convict
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10:06 <mobileuser> "With great effort you move the boulders." plural???
10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 499 points, T:1418, killed by a giant bat, while praying
10:07 <mobileuser> Yes, 2 boulders. Weird...
10:07 <mobileuser> Boulders multiplying? The secret life of boulders....
10:08 <mobileuser> I blame the glorkum.
10:10 <nabru> think of it, you're getting double the exercise
10:10 <Tangles> well...
10:11 <Tangles> mobileuser: I think this is an unintended side-effect of allowing boulders to stack so giants can quiver them.
10:14 <mobileuser> Ah, that explains it, thanks. Yes, double the exercise :-)
10:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:382
10:17 <K2> Tangles is correct
10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:870
10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13974
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10:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Mer Nbn Cha), 199 points, T:736, mowed down by an acid blob
10:26 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> woops
10:26 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> due to magic trap, I became permanent invisible
10:27 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> but where is mummy wrapping
10:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Con Hum Mal Cha), 43 points, T:164, killed by a jackal
10:27 <amateurhour> it might still be attached to a mummy :)
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10:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 300 points, T:981, killed by a boiling potion
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10:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 8643 points, T:7618, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping
10:38 <Andrio> um
10:38 <Andrio> The gnome plays a horn directed at himself! The bolt of cold hits you!
10:38 <Andrio> That's quite far from himself
10:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1802
10:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bin Inc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:8961
10:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11326 points, T:2738, killed by a snowball
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a long worm, on T:9836
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2773
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2773
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2919
11:03 <K2> shopping for a temple
11:04 <Tangles> The chest bolts itself to the floor! - that's new, and slightly annoying.
11:04 <Tangles> Suggests I could have picked it up before unlocking it though... I guess I should've read the changelog.
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11:07 <K2> i asked @ChrisANG about a changelog. there isnt one :)
11:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bin Inc Fem Non) averted death, on T:10573
11:07 <K2> commit history :P
11:07 <{Demo}> stupid sleep potion throwing mean elves
11:08 <Tangles> Ah well, if there had been one I probably still would not have read it.
11:09 <rld> <@riker> tangles yeah they do that now, to prevent the "carry that boi forever" cheese
11:10 <K2> heh
11:10 <{Demo}> pretty sure that only got changed cause porkman was obnoxious about it
11:11 <amateurhour> does that mean only bags are carriable containers in dnh?
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1771
11:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28605
11:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bin Inc Fem Non) was given their Quest, on T:12033
11:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 8348 points, T:2849, killed by a small silver dagger
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11:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5281 points, T:5077, killed by a giant mimic
11:32 <Tangles> amateurhour: It's just the magic chests (which can hold pretty much everything, and the contents weigh nothing, because magic), though the chest itself is heavy enough to not really be practical to carry around. Regular chests and boxes are still luggable, same as vanilla.
11:36 <Tangles> My usual strategy is to throw most of my stuff into one, and then pick it up and move it to a convenient stash location. I guess that still works, minus the throwing all your stuff in first, which means you have to deal with the encumberance, or drop all your stuff and come back for it later.
11:38 <{Demo}> what
11:38 <{Demo}> whats the blond livelog
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11:38 <amateurhour> I was seeing what zen was like
11:38 <{Demo}> also amateurhour, to answer your question, that only applies to magic chests
11:38 <amateurhour> I feel like it shouldn't log that I lost blind conduct by quitting
11:39 <{Demo}> normal boxes and chests don't bolt to the floor
11:39 <rld> <@riker> magic chest contents are weigthless and mirrored across other magic chests in the dungeon
11:39 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> hero was always blond, no, blind
11:39 <amateurhour> ah right, thanks for the explanations :)
11:39 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> :lularcher:
11:40 <amateurhour> can't see the image lularcher is meant to represent, can you describe it in glorious detail? :^)
11:41 <rld> <@riker> it's the lul twitch emote as the head of an archer
11:41 <rld> <riker> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/705081245746331659/Screen_Shot_2020-04-29_at_8.40.49_AM.png
11:42 <amateurhour> lol nice
11:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:57
11:43 <Tangles> K2: Why is livelogging broken?
11:43 <K2> for?
11:44 <Tangles> well there's meant to be a turncount limit on stuff like entering a shop (which should be more than 57)
11:44 <K2> i dont know
11:45 <K2> ever since 3.7 there's all sorts of stuff that gets livelogged that probably shouldnt
11:45 <K2> like, I dont care if <player> entered a shop or a temple
11:45 <Tangles> and also, it looks like there's an alignment issue in the achievement message array, because it just spat out that blond message, which is a placeholder for the zen conduct (which is an achievement, even though it's not actually an achievement so should never be logged)
11:46 <amateurhour> woo, finding bugs by derping around :^)
11:46 <K2> oh wait
11:47 <Tangles> K2: Yeah I know. We did talk about this, and put a turncount limit on it to try to stop the spam, but underestimated how slow some/most people play.
11:47 <K2> Tangles, a couple days ago, new edit level went live (edit level 18)
11:47 <Tangles> Did they add new achievements?
11:47 <K2> it changed/added some bits to the xlogfile
11:47 <K2> conductX and achieveX
11:47 <K2> blame bhaak
11:47 <Tangles> oh god
11:47 <amateurhour> not sure when I started the game that livelogged the blond thing
11:47 <amateurhour> wasn't today
11:49 <Tangles> I always seem to find this crap at 1:45am
11:50 <amateurhour> ttyrecs suggested I started it on the 25th
11:50 <amateurhour> (if that affects anything)
11:50 <K2> edit level 17 amateurhour
11:50 <K2> i think the xlogfile changes went in before edit level 18
11:51 <K2> i cant remember if i pulled in that commit to .17 before going over to .18
11:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:694
11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:695
11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:698
11:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:717
11:57 <amateurhour> where's the hardfought nh repo?
11:58 <amateurhour> ah found it
12:01 <K2> the xlogfile changes are after patchlevel.h was updated for .18
12:01 <K2> so that livelog off you last game amateurhour, older version
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12:04 <Tangles> Yeah I've got nothing. The achivements appear to line up with the livelog messages.
12:04 <K2> hmm
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1559
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12:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 708 points, T:3156, killed by a giant rat
12:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:295
12:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1904
12:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Silver dragon scale mail", on T:29897
12:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:29929
12:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1967
12:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Brigit, on T:1980
12:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 501 points, T:1409, killed by a straw golem
12:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:245
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12:23 <Tangles> Oh hey... that blond message happened when amateurhour quit. I think I see what happened.
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:2149
12:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:2150
12:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:30055
12:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:933
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12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1231
12:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 795 points, T:2420, killed by a bat
12:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a rusty orcish dagger on an altar, on T:5627
12:35 <amateurhour> any luck since then @Tangles?
12:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a hill giant, on T:19108
12:38 <K2> yup, Tangles fixed a missing setting with Beholder bot
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 390 points, T:782, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
12:40 <Tangles> amateurhour: Yeah I got it sorted.
12:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30849
12:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11934
12:46 <rld> <@riker> amateur: whoever @tA on this side is will be happy for the ping :)
12:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 1074 points, T:2620, killed by a giant ant
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4191
12:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2243 points, T:5407, killed by a hill orc
12:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 12410 points, T:7508, killed by a vampire
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12:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had a pair of stone orcish boots entrusted to her by Kos, on T:19353
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12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3147
13:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of detect treasure", on T:3168
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:3239
13:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3302
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13:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:31082
13:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3680
13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:516
13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1618 points, T:2048, killed by a djinni
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 479 points, T:1511, done in by a gnome
13:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4082 points, T:3354, killed by a bolt of lightning
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 129 points, T:321, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a potion
13:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1600
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13:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 566 points, T:1920, killed by a rabid rat
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13:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:51907
13:35 <K2> its super nice out. about to give myself the rest of the day off
13:36 <K2> !who
13:36 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] sluggoman [nh370] Yarostnjy [nh370] every [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] hyperion67 [spl] karibou [dnh] zoya [xnh] dgoddard [xnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] mosen [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players
13:37 <K2> !rng play xnethack | update evilhack wiki entry
13:37 <Beholder> K2: play xnethack
13:37 <K2> \o/
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13:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 941 points, T:1103, eliminated by a gnome
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8690 points, T:4302, killed by a warhorse
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14:13 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> using the rng huh
14:13 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> !rng write my essay | learn programming
14:13 <Beholder> @Sweet Bodhi: write my essay
14:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 877 points, T:2081, killed by a crossbow bolt
14:13 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> well shit
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14:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 759 points, T:1435, done in by a dwarf
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14:56 <rld> <@Sig> What line do I need to add to my options file to highlight blessed/cursed items?
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15:05 <bhaak> K2: wait, what?  those are new fields, they shouldn't break existing code that looks for existing fields
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 531 points, T:2521, killed by a giant bat
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15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 9779 points, T:8614, killed by a bolt of fire
15:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:13177
15:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +5 demonbane", on T:62744
15:11 <K2> bhaak correct
15:11 <K2> that wasnt the issue
15:12 <K2> a config setting with beholder bot regressed somehow (prob something i did and dont remember). Tangles fixed it
15:12 <oh6> whoops, forgot to wish for rustproofing
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 423 points, T:1646, killed by a homunculus
15:12 <oh6> we'll see if this mitigates the demon summonstorm in the wizard's tower
15:12 <K2> it should if wielded
15:13 <oh6> and I got it at +5!
15:13 <K2> \o/
15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1461
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 358 points, T:1521, killed by a large mimic
15:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 603 points, T:1954, killed by a sewer rat
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15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1921
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15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 752 points, T:2107, killed by a werejackal
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 135 points, T:513, killed by a sewer rat
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15:33 <rld> <@Sig> Didn't realize that the Catacombs had two possible luckstones, so I ran all the way back down through the mines, found the secret door, and literally on the square with the other gray stone is a levelport trap
15:33 <rld> <@Tone> @Sig Look at "# Random items with known BUC status" here: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/ToneHack/nethack/ToneHack.nhrc
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:980
15:33 <rld> <@Sig> Oh, ty Tone
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15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 4136 points, T:1514, killed by a killer bee
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 2115 points, T:2669, killed by an Uruk-hai
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15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 517 points, T:1789, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food
15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:76, killed by a giant spider
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 165 points, T:420, killed by a gnome
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] kirra (zor) (Pri Orc Fem Cha), 27870 points, T:1038, killed by a dwarf
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15:56 <mobileuser> Well, I think I am going to have to write-off this vampire mage game as lessons learned, on towards new challenges.
15:57 <aoei> does anyone know, if nethack 3.7 changed anything about magic lamp wishes?
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) was given Dragonlance, on T:11975
16:00 <rld> <@Sig> ^Is that worth using, even against Dragons?
16:01 <amateurhour> did you die mobileuser? :(
16:01 <amateurhour> oh
16:02 <amateurhour> aoei: what difference do you see?
16:03 <amateurhour> I don't think they changed anything
16:03 <aoei> amateurhour, I was just wondering before I try blessing and rubbing it
16:03 <mobileuser> amateurhour going for a major demon killing spree and go out with a bang :-)
16:06 <amateurhour> you could still ascend! there's still hope
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16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed blue dragon scale mail", on T:12178
16:21 <mobileuser> amateurhour I reckon on the way back from Moloch's Sanctum I am going to need something like 20 cursed gain levels to get out.
16:21 <mobileuser> I just don't have the patience to grind for that.
16:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:71671
16:21 <mobileuser> Without, I'll just burn all my HP.
16:23 <amateurhour> ah, is the ascension run that bad?
16:23 <mobileuser> at the moment I can recover HP by levelporting out of gnom
16:24 <mobileuser> but once I have the amulet that option will be gone
16:25 <aoei> haha whoops. didn't notice the feverish message
16:26 <mobileuser> Gnom would eventually completely roast me
16:31 <mobileuser> On the other hand, I could maybe use Vlad's tower half-way to recuperate...
16:38 <amateurhour> for science? :)
16:39 <aoei> hehe. i thought i was gonna be anted
16:39 <aoei> had no escape items but did have a scroll of taming
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 19901 points, T:7150, killed by a honey badger
16:39 <aoei> now i have a pet soldier ant
16:39 <aoei> schweet
16:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 T-shirt", on T:32377
16:40 <amateurhour> noice
16:45 <mobileuser> ok, for science I am going to bail out of gnom and do some more grinding. :-)
16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:61776
16:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:32915
16:55 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> what programming language should i learn first
16:56 <{Demo}> javascript
16:56 <{Demo}> ;-)
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16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1094
16:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33003
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16:59 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> i was thinking python, java or JS
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 454 points, T:1589, killed by a giant bat
17:00 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> wheres k2 when we need him
17:01 <K2> ?
17:01 <K2> wasnt me
17:01 <{Demo}> k2 is an old man and not a programmer but like a guy that actually does real work and makes stuff work, he doesn't know that you should learn a cool hip language like javascript ;)
17:02 <K2> didnt do it
17:02 <K2> i lot of things use java, but from what I understand there's a growing demand for python programmers
17:03 <K2> however, ask a real programmer
17:03 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> hard part is finding one
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17:04 <K2> you're in the right place to ask
17:04 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> youre too avant garde demo
17:04 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> ill learn cobom B)
17:04 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> cobol
17:04 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> dyslexic moment
17:04 <K2> heh
17:05 <K2> hey mobileuser - do NOT end that evilhack game on purpose
17:05 <K2> you - can - do - it
17:05 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> got any idea of who i could stalk and ask?
17:05 <mobileuser> nah, I've come to my senses again
17:05 <mobileuser> beserker rage, slew some major demons
17:06 <K2> @Sweet Bodhi could ask aosdict, he programs for a living
17:06 <{Demo}> nobody on irc is gonna have non boomer advice
17:07 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> lets see if i can find aosdict around some time then
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17:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had a silver elven dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:67570
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17:11 <K2> so i just realized something
17:11 <K2> i was starting to write up on the wiki how altar sacrificing works
17:11 <K2> (evilhack)
17:11 <{Demo}> eating burger king and then sitting in a 90 degree room that smells like tar is a bad idea?
17:11 <{Demo}> oh
17:12 <K2> :)
17:12 <K2> and when you get a regular gift, there's supposed to be a chance that the regular item has obj properties
17:12 <K2> as it turns out, that's not happening
17:12 <K2> oops
17:13 <aosdict> @Sweet Bodhi python
17:13 <rld> <@riker> k2: bleh i may have broke that
17:13 <K2> not a bug, just an intended behavior that never actually happened
17:13 <K2> @riker nope not your fault
17:13 <K2> i see exactly why
17:13 <{Demo}> wow k2 broke it by not remembering to make it work
17:14 <K2> i just assumed it would because there's a 1 in 150 chance of a items randonly spawning with it
17:14 <rld> <@riker> where's it supposed ot do that k2?
17:14 <rld> <@riker> ah, but it probably uses FALSE in obj creation?
17:14 <K2> look in src/pray.c line 2161
17:14 <K2> that's not a random spawn...
17:14 <K2> that's deliberate
17:14 <K2> and create_oprop() is missing in that block
17:15 <K2> OOPS
17:15 <K2> it should be something like if (!rn2(<some number here>)  create_oprop(blah blah);
17:16 <rld> <@riker> pray.c 2161 has create_oprop
17:16 <rld> <@riker> er 2136
17:17 <K2> oh right
17:17 <K2> it does
17:17 <K2> 2161 is the artifact bit
17:17 <K2> well then
17:17 <rld> <@riker> ye
17:17 <rld> <@riker> it looks like it's find
17:17 <K2> pretend i never brought this up
17:17 <rld> <@riker> *fine
17:18 <rld> <@riker> i'd be checking create_oprop if they're not spawning right
17:18 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> @aosdict why? also thanks for answering
17:18 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> (does this also bop him on irc side?)
17:18 <rld> <@riker> it will, not because of the @ but because he has pings set for "aosdict"
17:19 <K2> rofl... omg
17:19 <K2> minor crisis averted
17:19 <rld> <@riker> what
17:19 <K2> just this whole thing
17:19 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> atleast we all bad
17:19 <K2> i cant read
17:19 <rld> <@riker> lol
17:19 <rld> <@riker> i can :)
17:19 <{Demo}> i cant
17:19 <K2> {Demo} distracted me with burger king
17:19 <K2> you know I'm on a diet fucker
17:19 <{Demo}> dude i feel like im dying right now and it sucks
17:19 <rld> <@riker> are you doing that demo
17:19 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> with stuff like aos trying to @ me but mentioning this SW dude
17:20 <{Demo}> no i dont think im actually dying
17:20 <rld> <@riker> hey k2 in create_oprops it makes sure it's positive enchantment
17:20 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> what u feelin bro
17:20 <rld> <@riker> should that be flipped if it rolls a bad oprop?
17:20 <rld> <@riker> like the code has nothign about that but as a flavor thing, they're already cursed
17:20 <K2> it wont create a bad prop
17:20 <{Demo}> there are no bad props :P
17:20 <K2> because FALSE
17:20 <rld> <@riker> no in general
17:20 <rld> <@riker> when allow_detrimental is TRUE
17:21 <{Demo}> detrimental is kind of an opinion
17:21 <K2> oh yeah
17:21 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> important discussion moments
17:21 <{Demo}> maybe I want decay as a detrimental oprop :P
17:21 <rld> <@riker> it will still force positive enchantment on it, imo that should be negated if it's a negative one
17:21 <K2> perhaps...
17:21 <K2> hmm
17:22 <K2> what i really need to figure out, is why tf monsters dont leave corpses if they die standing in shallow water or sewage
17:22 <K2> i have spent hours on it and no progress
17:22 <{Demo}> its because u r on a diet
17:22 <{Demo}> and if they left a corpse it might tempt u
17:22 <K2> ^ that
17:22 <{Demo}> so i tried to kill a spider with a fly swatter
17:22 <K2> in mondied() there's a bit in there to not leave a corpse if a monster dies in a pool
17:23 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> sewage makes them improper to eat
17:23 <{Demo}> and i hit it and clipped it and it went flying into my bed
17:23 <K2> i commented that entire thing out, made no difference
17:23 <{Demo}> guess im not sleeping tonight
17:23 <K2> {Demo} lol
17:23 <K2> just kill it
17:23 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> scary
17:23 <{Demo}> is corpse_chance even being called
17:23 <{Demo}> i can't find it
17:23 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> light ur bed on fire
17:23 <{Demo}> tore bed apart
17:23 <{Demo}> no luck
17:23 <K2> its gone then
17:24 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> i have a spider bro behind my mirror
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17:24 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> i hereby name him Bodhi
17:24 <{Demo}> this guy was too big to be a spider bro
17:27 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> what color was it bro
17:27 <murphy_> Totally random Q - is there a way to enable arrow keys on hardfought ?
17:27 <murphy_> My keyboard doesn't have a numpad, and I'm used to playing with the windows interface
17:28 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> ew
17:28 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> arrow keys
17:28 <murphy_> yeah yeah
17:28 <murphy_> ;)
17:28 <K2> i want to say yes there is... but i've never done it
17:28 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> roleplaying a gride bug
17:28 <K2> not sure how to go about setting that
17:28 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> ill bully you diagonally
17:29 <murphy_> hahah oh man,my hands are used to hitting the diagonals in the number row
17:29 <murphy_> please don't judge
17:29 <K2> <--- numpad for life
17:29 <{Demo}> home/pgup/end/pgdown for diagonals
17:29 <K2> you on a small laptop? is this why you dont have a numpad?
17:29 <murphy_> it's worse than that lol
17:30 <{Demo}> if u dont have a numberpad, or have 60% keyboard, learn vikeys
17:30 <murphy_> I use this keyboard: http://www.notebookreview.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/48074-742x501.jpg
17:30 <{Demo}> thats good
17:30 <{Demo}> how much did u spend on it?
17:30 <K2> oof
17:30 <murphy_> I have a number of them from several years back
17:30 <{Demo}> damn
17:31 <murphy_> was like a hundred bucks when I bought them'
17:31 <murphy_> They're great for coding
17:31 <{Demo}> i've wanted one for a bit but i think they cost too much now
17:31 <murphy_> the vi keys and the mouse are right next to each other
17:31 <K2> get this - https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Portable-Financial-Accounting-Extensions/dp/B07RZZMV62/
17:31 <murphy_> There's a new, mechanical one that's coming out from Tex Keyboards - https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi?variant=16969883648090
17:31 <murphy_> That's hilarious overkill
17:32 <K2> and for the record, i wont buy a laptop unless it has numpad. why? NETHACK
17:32 <{Demo}> damnn
17:32 <{Demo}> i want that but i feel like it wouldn't feel right
17:32 <Pinkbeast> But why would you want numpad? :-)
17:32 <murphy_> It probably won't - I ordered one back in february, but the pandemic has prevented delivery
17:33 <K2> blah
17:33 <murphy_> The Lenovo one I posted earlier is the best keyboard I've ever used
17:33 <{Demo}> not sure what to search to find that model
17:33 <murphy_> if there's no alternative to not using the numpad, I can dig out an old keyboard with one and use that as my nethack keyboard
17:33 <K2> and i read earlier today, come this friday BIG strike, workers from amazon dna few other big name company that regularly ship goods
17:33 <{Demo}> thats the xx20 style keyboard and they've made a lot of those
17:33 <K2> *and
17:34 <{Demo}> like you can find newer and older ones than that pretty readily but that specific one is my favorite and i'd love a usb keyboard like that
17:34 <murphy_> Yeah, it's by far the best keyboard
17:34 <murphy_> They're easy to break, though, unfortunately
17:34 <{Demo}> damn, in what way?
17:34 <{Demo}> just realized i might not even have desk space for a keyboard so tall
17:35 <murphy_> They collect dust, and if you need to pop the keycaps, the switches are really fragile
17:35 <K2> murphy_ - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Direction
17:35 <{Demo}> ? it looks the same as x220 keyboard and i pop keycaps on that all the time and my switches are fine
17:35 <{Demo}> except for the shift key
17:35 <murphy_> maybe I'm just clumsy
17:35 <murphy_> but I haven't had the best luck
17:36 <{Demo}> does it have a model number on it anywhere for me to look up?
17:36 <murphy_> recently, my rubber dome on my spacebar fell off and I had to cannabalize one from another keyboard
17:36 <murphy_> SIL11-W47
17:36 <murphy_> Granted, I've been using this keyboard for like 12+ hours a day for 5+ years
17:36 <{Demo}> thanks
17:37 <murphy_> so it's not fragile fragile
17:37 <murphy_> but when they break it's a sad day
17:37 <murphy_> :K2 - thank you for the link
17:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68112
17:44 <{Demo}> ok so it looks like 150 bucks to get one of those
17:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68117
17:44 <{Demo}> at that point i might as well get the cool inspired mechanical one
17:44 <{Demo}> i just don't think its ultranav would feel right
17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2457
17:46 <Bliss56> Revenge is mine. I just got the call that my daughter-in-law is pregnant. K2 must be prescient.
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:68276
17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33633
17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33635
17:55 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> crisis moment
17:58 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> if only dollars to my currency wasnt 5:1
17:59 <{Demo}> don't worry it will be soon
17:59 <{Demo}> won't be rathee
18:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] musicdemon (Mys Pea Mal Neu), 142 points, T:925, killed by an icy touch
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:68647
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:68660
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18:09 <NCommander> !role
18:09 <Beholder> NCommander: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-04-20 17:24 EDT: you know why I'm pinging you again, right? new update to the slex LP :)  enjoy!
18:09 <Beholder> NCommander: nhfourk caveman
18:10 <NCommander> !tell LarienTelrunya thanks, I'm just going through a really bad time so I'm sorry I'm not around much
18:10 <Beholder> I'm on it, NCommander.
18:10 <NCommander> !role
18:10 <Beholder> NCommander: notdnethack valkyrie
18:11 <amateurhour> related to earlier keyboard chat, I got one of these but without backlighting in an amazon sale for like 20 quid: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01AXM7PMU?tag=duc08-21&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
18:11 <amateurhour> bought it to use at work so I'd not have to put up with the naff one they provided
18:12 <amateurhour> shame about the ugly '''gamer''' font but what can you do
18:17 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> !role
18:17 <Beholder> @Sweet Bodhi: tnnt rogue
18:17 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> epic
18:17 <amateurhour> lol
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18:19 <{Demo}> my office uses these https://i.imgur.com/J8yNqpl.png i had to pretty quickly abandon it and just find an old dell oem keyboard... look at how stupid that esc key is shaped!
18:19 <nabru> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharkoon-SKILLER-SGK3-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B077C1BH61
18:20 <nabru> I've been using one of those for a year or so now
18:20 <amateurhour> too many keys for my liking
18:20 <amateurhour> hisss
18:20 <nabru> well, I can't see myself using a numpadless keyboard
18:21 <amateurhour> my main problem with non-tenkeyless keyboards is how far away the esc key is
18:21 <amateurhour> and the numpad wastes so much space considering I never use it
18:21 <amateurhour> most of the people at my office prefer full sized keyboards though, so I'm probably alone on that
18:21 <K2> Bliss56 wooo congrats!
18:22 <Bliss56> Yup, Hope it works out; it's early days.
18:22 <{Demo}> i can't stand those new macbook keyboards, the ones with the touchbars
18:23 <nabru> I know a few Mac users and they all seem to agree the touchbar is a cute gimmick
18:23 <{Demo}> the esc key literally isn't a key
18:23 <amateurhour> how does the esc key work on those?
18:23 <amateurhour> ah, that sounds horrendous
18:23 <amateurhour> instant remap of caps lock to esc for me
18:24 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> the worst are laptops in which the turn on key is actually a button
18:24 <{Demo}> i really don't like macs but before everything went to shit i had to use one for a bit for work for porting some software over and it was such a terrible experience
18:24 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> good luck ggoing close to it without looking at the keyboard in fear
18:25 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> linux>else
18:25 <amateurhour> haha yeah, the ones where it's near the del key as well
18:25 <{Demo}> reached the point where i was just vncing to it cause I couldn't stand the shit keyboard
18:26 <amateurhour> didn't have a random keyboard laying aroundto use instead?
18:28 <amateurhour> last time I had to use a mac I had to get something built that relied on gnu specific things in the toolchain, things like sed,tar,zip
18:28 <amateurhour> and the official installation process for those involved installing xcode (why??)
18:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1098
18:29 <amateurhour> this was quite a few years ago so might be misremembering something about it
18:30 <amateurhour> anyway sleep time, seeya
18:30 <nabru> 'night
18:30 <Pinkbeast> xcode> which by a _curious coincidence_ is hard to do without registering as a developer or letting the app store hump your leg
18:30 <dk657> {Demo}: i got a macbook pro as part of my package for starting my graduate program
18:31 <{Demo}> the mac os userland makes no fucking sense to me
18:31 <dk657> in many respects it's a great computer: awesome screen, nice, solid case, nice magic where it's not quite dead when it's sleeping and wifi is already connected when i open the lid
18:31 <dk657> but... the l, o, t, and tab keys click either twice or zero times
18:32 <dk657> which makes the whole computer absolutely fucking worthless
18:32 <Pinkbeast> Is it one of those super-thin "butterfly keyboards" that don't work?
18:32 <dk657> yep
18:33 <dk657> it lives in my desk drawer. i took it out a couple months ago thinking it couldn't be as bad as i remembered it
18:33 <dk657> it is
18:33 <dk657> beyond hating the thing, i'm just in disbelief that it was sold to people. didn't anyone use it before they started mass producing the thing
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18:36 <murphy_> uh does buer not give regeneration in the latest version of dnethack ?
18:37 <{Demo}> for reference from like dec 2019-march 2020 i was daily driving a thinkpad T60 with only 2gb of ram (supports up to 4) and the shitty yonah c2d 32 bit cpu, not even the 64 bit meorem c2d it supports
18:37 <{Demo}> like a 4 hr battery life and a 1024x768 screen
18:42 <nabru> even the most die-hard Apple fans I know agree Apple has lost it with laptops
18:43 <NCommander> in xnh, does a polished shield mean it's reflection?
18:43 <NCommander> or just "silver polished shield"
18:43 <{Demo}> no it means it was man in poland
18:43 <{Demo}> made
18:43 <{Demo}> good question, idk
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:66866
18:43 <{Demo}> i would guess all polished shields are of reflection
18:43 * NCommander does a source dive
18:44 <NCommander> then my caveman has run afoul the RNG
18:44 <NCommander> for I'm in the zone of "crap, got good gear thus far"
18:44 <{Demo}> it is xnh, that's how the whole game goes
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18:45 <NCommander> SHIELD("shield of reflection", "polished shield",
18:45 <NCommander>        0, 1, 0, REFLECTING, 3, 0,  50, 50, 8, 0,  SILVER, HI_SILVER),
18:45 <NCommander> Nope, looks like it *has* to be silver
18:45 <{Demo}> ?
18:45 <{Demo}> don't think so
18:45 <NCommander> oh
18:46 <NCommander> {Demo}, you mean RNG will give me a kit then rune me or just getting good gear in general?
18:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2140
18:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Cav Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "y", on T:3220
18:47 <NCommander> ... o_o?
18:47 <NCommander> oh
18:47 <NCommander> typoed
18:47 <NCommander> Wasn't going for a conduct
18:47 <NCommander> so
18:47 <{Demo}> that item should provide reflection even if it isn't silver. and it is xnh, so like, does it matter if you have good gear or not? you'll probably win anyway
18:48 <NCommander> {Demo}, >.>;
18:48 <NCommander> <.<;
18:48 <{Demo}> xnh is nicehack
18:48 <NCommander> v.v;
18:48 <NCommander> !asc
18:48 <Beholder> NCommander: [hdf-us] NCommander has ascended 1 times in 144 games (0.69%):  fh:1 (2.78%)
18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2186
18:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:2210
18:50 <NCommander> {Demo}, then obv. I suck at nethack and its variants
18:53 <nabru> !lastgame nabru
18:54 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1588178850.nh.html
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18:59 <{Demo}> just learn something stupidly broken like slashem where you can just abuse your way past any difficulty
18:59 <aosdict> polished shield reflects regardless of material
19:00 <aosdict> it can only generate as shiny material types anyway
19:00 <{Demo}> can flesh be shiny? :P
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19:01 <NCommander> mystbusters showed you could polish a turd
19:02 <NCommander> so you could have a shitty shield of reflection. In theory
19:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Name (Username) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 371 points, T:552, killed by a giant ant
19:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19256
19:08 <{Demo}> sounds like a slex item
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19:11 <rld> <@tA> at riker, don't worry it happens a lot 😛
19:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3383
19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2637 points, T:5799, killed by a jaguar
19:15 <NCommander> meh
19:17 <NCommander> {Demo}, easy mode my arse :P
19:18 * NCommander admits at the moment he can't think very clearly
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19:30 <{Demo}> didn't say it was easy
19:30 <{Demo}> just nice
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19:39 <rld> <@microlance> hmm, i have two more magic lamps it should be worth it to wish for magicbane instead of saccing for it
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:65294
19:45 <rld> <@microlance> gauntlets of fumbling, how nice
19:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:21312
19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:21798
19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had a dented pot entrusted to her by Kos, on T:22655
19:57 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> lmao
19:58 <K2> wooo my C programming for dummies book arrived today
19:59 <K2> 'the joy of the while loop'
19:59 <K2> 'see how to avoid ten common bugs and coding mistakes'
20:00 <K2> 1) don't program while being K2
20:00 <K2> 2) see number 1
20:00 <aosdict> bear in mind that nethack tends to overuse while loops when for loops would be appropriate
20:00 <K2> 3) if you skipped number 2, see number 1
20:03 <rld> <@microlance> the guardian for magicbane was a wizard that had a deathwand and couple more wands and he was invisible, i had to retreat deeper into the mines where my ancient pseudodragon died :/
20:04 <K2> artifacts dont come cheap :P
20:04 <K2> unless they do
20:04 <drunkmonkey> that watery tart just gives them away
20:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed master key of thievery", on T:70445
20:05 <K2> 'appendix D: variable types'
20:05 <K2> ^ I just learned a coule things I didnt really know before
20:05 <K2> *couple
20:05 <K2> now I just need to learn how to spell
20:05 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> does the lady of the lake turn your sword into a better one
20:06 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> or just takes it and gives you exacl
20:06 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> *excal
20:06 <K2> @Sweet Bodhi she turns your existing sword into excalibur
20:08 <Umbire> ^
20:08 <Umbire> Same enchantment but blessed and rustproofed
20:10 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> how do we know she doesnt collect swords
20:10 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> she has a pile of rusted long swords
20:10 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> and takes an excalibur to give you
20:12 <rld> <@Pacra> @microlance how'd your pseudodragon die?
20:13 <rld> <@microlance> a zombie hit him once
20:13 <rld> <@Pacra> oof
20:13 <rld> <@microlance> but he had killed a bunch of zombies earlier, i guess his luck ran out
20:14 <rld> <@microlance> and he killed the whole watch before he died, so its all good
20:14 <rld> <@Pacra> any way for you to take on that wizard?
20:15 <rld> <@microlance> ill see when im done with mines end
20:15 <rld> <@microlance> i have a orcish dagger of fire and he was mostly spamming fire wands when hes death one ran out
20:15 <K2> @microlane dunno if you're aware - the spell 'cure sickness' is directional in evilhack, you can cast it at pets or other monsters and cure them if they are diseased
20:15 <K2> @microlance
20:16 <rld> <@microlance> i dont have that spell
20:16 <K2> hah sorry if there's someone on discord that goes by microlane
20:16 <K2> didnt think you did, but letting you know
20:16 <rld> <@microlance> and im a giant so i can only cast lvl 1 spells, before getting a helm of brilliance
20:16 <K2> if you like having pets, that's a spell you want to know
20:17 <rld> <@microlance> yeah, i know but i dont use them after minetown anyways
20:17 <K2> ok
20:17 <rld> <@microlance> for me theyre purpose is curse testing and hopefully killing the watch
20:19 <rld> <@microlance> minetown is such a dangerous place when the whole watch is still alive, you cant even fix the landscape
20:19 <rld> <@Pacra> I've heard of some folks that like to keep pets alive through the entire game and to the planes
20:19 <rld> <@Pacra> never met them though
20:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Gaelan (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1186
20:21 <rld> <@microlance> ooh, i got orc fortfress so i could have a balrog in store for that guardian
20:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1176
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 475 points, T:1418, killed by a worthless piece of green glass
20:27 <rld> <@microlance> that was cure sickness
20:29 <K2> :)
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:76850
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20:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1089
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:77249
20:43 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> How does one register to hardfought? I click the ''ssh::'' link and it seems broken
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 583 points, T:1456, killed by an iguana
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3117390 points, T:70580, escaped
20:43 <nabru> Ungenomoldic, if you use Windows you have to install a SSH client
20:44 <nabru> e.g. Putty
20:44 <nabru> then use it to log in to the server
20:44 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> that explains, then
20:45 <K2> on windows 10, you can use the command prompt
20:45 <K2> but putty is much better
20:46 <K2> @Ungenomoldic, see this page - https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cavemain (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1685
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cavemain (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 585 points, T:1696, killed by a gnome
20:47 <K2> !lastgame krm26
20:47 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1587169804.evil.html
20:47 <rld> <@Sweet Bodhi> well ow
20:47 <K2> he must have had it stolen and didnt notice
20:47 <K2> (the amulet)
20:48 <Umbire> F
20:48 <nabru> "Hey guys, we did it... guys... guys?"
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20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 287 points, T:753, killed by a little dog
20:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Arnold(musicdemon) (Act Zru Mal Neu) averted death, on T:3623
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20:58 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Alright the PuTTY is going now here we go
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 338 points, T:771, killed by a manes
21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:4894
21:05 <rld> <@microlance> his cursed create monster scrolls never ran out
21:05 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Okay now I'm playing but the numpad isn't working
21:05 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Instead I move right with L, up with K
21:06 <rld> <@microlance> vi-keys are superior
21:06 <rld> <@microlance> learn em love em
21:06 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Instead I get the ''How many times do you want to do the next command'' thong
21:07 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> If they're so good, can you share the good with me?
21:07 <K2> @Ungenomoldic you need to go into settings and turn on numpad
21:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:78487
21:08 <K2> numpad > vikeys
21:08 <K2> !lotg @Pacra
21:08 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, @Pacra!
21:09 <rld> <@Pacra> thank you  !
21:09 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Aight so where are the settings?
21:09 <rld> <@Pacra> @Ungenomoldic I have used Putty for many years, but I've recently switched to MobaXterm
21:09 <rld> <@Pacra> for Windows at least
21:09 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> nvm i think i found them
21:09 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> what is the option called?
21:09 <rld> <@Pacra> if I happen to find myself on macOS, I like iTerm2
21:10 <K2> its on one of the last pages of settings, just scroll though you'll see it
21:11 <K2> or if you edit your rc config, put this line in it:
21:11 <K2> OPTIONS=number_pad:1
21:12 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> It works now thanks here we go
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:5387
21:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Ass Ang Fem Law), 5 points, T:77, killed by a monster (river moccasin)
21:23 <rld> <@Pacra> oh hello Red Horse
21:23 <rld> <@microlance> he didnt have any scrolls of genocide 😦
21:23 <rld> <@Pacra> dang microlance
21:23 <rld> <@microlance> he was a master mind flayer
21:24 <rld> <@Pacra> ah.
21:24 <rld> <@Pacra> are you going to survive this theft
21:24 <rld> <@microlance> yeah, i put a stinking cloud on him and teleported out. i wonder if a cloud will kill one such as him
21:25 <rld> <@Pacra> probably not
21:25 <rld> <@microlance> then i hope i find a genocide in the mines because that floor will be the death of me otherwise
21:26 <rld> <@Pacra> is the level set up so you can just bypass the store to the downstairs?
21:26 <rld> <@Pacra> hey, uh, K2
21:27 <rld> <@Pacra> @K2 I've got a fun bug for you
21:27 <rld> <@Pacra> unless it's a feature, not a bug
21:27 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> I noticed I have lag but I actually like it since it makes me think more before moving
21:28 <rld> <@microlance> i dont know ill magic map it later, but hes store was in a corner so i probably wont have to fight him only koppers
21:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Pro Ang Fem Cha), 5738 points, T:845, quit
21:28 <rld> <@Pacra> "You arrive on the Astral Plane!  Here the High Temple of Tymora is located. You sense alarm, hostility, and excitement in the air!  A voice whispers: "Worthy vassal, know now thy true identity!  Behold thy steed, the Red Horse!" The Red Horse appears near you. The saddled Red Horse is confused from hunger. The saddled Red Horse starves."
21:28 <K2> lag?
21:28 <K2> lol wut
21:28 <rld> <@Pacra> rip red horse
21:28 <K2> well this is new
21:28 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> I move and the @ moves 3 seconds later
21:29 <rld> <@Pacra> do not pass go, do not collect 200 saddles
21:29 <K2> ok one sec
21:29 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Or in my case, the D moves 3 seconds later
21:29 <K2> current server load right on average is 2%
21:30 <rld> <@Pacra> maybe Tymora thought I was Famine, not War :P
21:30 <rld> <@Pacra> @Ungenomoldic if on windows, do a tracert to the hardfought server via command line
21:30 <K2> usually things that cause lag in nethack are a shit ton of monsters active on the level at once
21:30 <K2> oh that lag
21:31 <K2> sorry i got the two of you mixed up
21:31 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Given where I live, It's very likely to be client-side
21:31 <rld> <@Pacra> where are you from?
21:32 <K2> oh wait
21:32 <K2> @Ungenomoldic is playing slex
21:32 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> I am
21:32 <K2> yeah
21:32 <K2> i meant to talk to amy about this earlier and other things came up
21:33 <K2> when 2.6.6 went live i played a couple test games just to make sure everything was installed like it should, etc
21:33 <rld> <@riker> @Ungenomoldic if you're EU make sure you're using eu.hdf, same with AU
21:33 <K2> i noticed the lag you're describing on dlvl 1
21:33 <K2> @riker its not network lag
21:33 <rld> <@riker> ah
21:33 <K2> fire up a game of slex
21:34 <K2> i think amy finally made the game too big
21:34 <rld> <@Pacra> oh wow
21:34 <K2> what process does the game to to figure out what kind of monster spawns next
21:34 <K2> *do
21:35 <K2> and then ask yourself how many monsters are eligible in slex to choose from
21:35 <K2> ^ pure specualtion
21:35 <K2> but sounds plausible
21:35 <K2> also @Ungenomoldic, are you new to nethack?
21:36 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Started play a month ago, ascended 3 days ago, began playing on Hardfought today
21:36 <K2> :)
21:36 <K2> you ascended in a month
21:36 <K2> i hate you
21:36 <K2> ^ kidding
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:78749
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the saddled Pale Horse, on T:78752
21:37 <aosdict> given the name "ungenomoldic", I'm guessing a slex fan?
21:37 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> To be fair I got a full wand of wishing at dlv 3
21:37 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Yes
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] koan (hackedhead) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 38288 points, T:3344, killed by a giant mimic
21:38 <hackedhead> K2: mine first asc took ten years.
21:38 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Also one of the few words you can google and only get what seems gibberish to nethack non-players
21:39 <K2> hackedhead mine took about 20 yrs (on and off)
21:39 <hackedhead> Go Team Slow Play!
21:41 <K2> i'm getting a bit of lag in slex... notice the most when changing levels
21:41 <K2> but nothing like what @Ungenomoldic is experiencing
21:41 <K2> @Ungenomoldic where are you?
21:41 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Here
21:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha), 5613624 points, T:78795, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Pacra/evilhack/dumplog/1587175297.evil.html
21:41 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> On Dlvl 1
21:41 <K2> not in game
21:42 <K2> like, what country
21:42 <rld> <@ElectricPizza> *nabru here. Played a few rounds of slex and everything seemed ok
21:42 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Venezuela
21:42 <K2> @riker I stand corrected
21:42 <K2> network lag
21:42 <K2> use this - https://www.hardfought.org/server_status/network_tools/network_tool_hdf_us/
21:43 <K2> @Pacra congrats!
21:43 <rld> <@ElectricPizza> I'm in Brazil so reasonably close to you @Ungenomoldic . Didn't have a problem with slex
21:43 <rld> <@Pacra> thank you, convict was quite a challenge in eh
21:44 <rld> <@ElectricPizza> gg @Pacra
21:44 <K2> gonna see if i can recreate what you saw with the red horse
21:44 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Client-side, then
21:44 <rld> <@Pacra> that was extremely funny
21:45 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> I'm going to save and start a game of regular nh
21:45 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> For testing purposes
21:46 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> hmmm
21:46 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> denied access to my .nhrc
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21:46 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> and regardless the game ran
21:46 <rld> <@riker> gg pacra
21:47 <K2> just went to astral as a convict, got the red horse. all is well
21:47 <K2> lol wtf happened there
21:49 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> Checked regular NH, get like 1s of delay vs SLEX's 3s
21:49 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> I oficially have bad internet, but regardless an interesing insight
21:49 <rld> <@ElectricPizza> Maybe it's your internet?
21:50 <rld> <@Ungenomoldic> And I was saying it was probably client-side from the beginning
21:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1009
21:53 <K2> curious if your latency would be any better or worse to the australian server
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 386 points, T:1445, killed by a werejackal, while sleeping
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22:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4585
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22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 3899 points, T:5196, killed by a white unicorn
22:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:10316
22:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:10378
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22:36 <rld> <@Pacra> thanks @riker !
22:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] me9 (dragonspeaker) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 789 points, T:1997, killed by an Uruk-hai
22:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] Username (Mon Sym Mal Cha), 220 points, T:508, drowned in a moat
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2676
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] me10 (dragonspeaker) (Con Orc Fem Cha), 200 points, T:527, killed by a gas spore's explosion
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:11186
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] me11 (dragonspeaker) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 14 points, T:71, killed by a water moccasin
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22:58 <K2> @Pacra i still cant re-create that weirdness you had with the red horse
22:59 <K2> so bizarre
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2915
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:11605
23:00 <aosdict> the guardian angel creation code creates a pet in a unique manner, circumventing the usual function
23:01 <aosdict> maybe it leaves hungrytime uninitialized and Pacra was unlucky enough to have that be a value where the pet should immediately starve?
23:02 <K2> i just loaded up his save in wizmode, it became confused with hunger the very next turn after arriving on astral
23:03 <aosdict> which isn't a problem in vanilla because angels don't eat?
23:03 <K2> yeah
23:03 <K2> i need to have a second look at what I did
23:03 <K2> that commit is old
23:03 <rld> <@microlance> lol, i hit the wall door edge and fell into the lava in the orc fortress
23:03 <K2> doh
23:03 <rld> <@microlance> should have destroyed the door first
23:04 <rld> <@microlance> maybe i dont know
23:04 <K2> and then it starved the very next turn
23:04 <rld> <@microlance> it was fine knight jumping in
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23:10 <aosdict> K2: yeah that code for starving is reliant on hungrytime. that being uninitialized is probably the culprit
23:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:12369
23:11 <K2> yup already there, testing a fix
23:14 <K2> hmm, i set EDOG(mtmp)->hungrytime = 1000; for the red horse
23:14 <K2> it still starved and died next round
23:14 <aosdict> that's not how hungrytime works
23:14 <K2> i guess it needs the + monstermoves after it
23:14 <aosdict> that would prevent starvation if on turn 250 or less, yes
23:15 <aosdict> or maybe 1750
23:15 <K2> been awhile since i've looked at hungrytime, need to relearn how that functions exactly
23:16 <aosdict> it's essentially the turn on which the pet becomes hungry
23:16 <K2> got it
23:16 <K2> makes sense now
23:17 <K2> ok fix incoming
23:17 <aosdict> given that monsters track mspec_used which ticks every turn I'm not sure why they can't just have a regular hunger counter that ticks each turn like the hero does
23:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 2153 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:12708
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11858 points, T:4821, killed by a bolt of cold
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 387 points, T:733, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping
23:25 <K2> @Pacra thanks for reporting that with the red horse. fixed now
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23:26 <bouquet> I love how sometimes the rng rolls up a dungeon where some item type is over represented.
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23:29 <oh6> demon summonstorm cleaned up
23:29 <oh6> the plus side of this mess is that I have a ludicrous pile of loot
23:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5771
23:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:75581
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:75585
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 423 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:13521
23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] Username (Bin Orc Mal Non), 66 points, T:869, killed by a small dart
23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Hob Fem Neu), 1545 points, T:1864, killed by a watchman
23:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 393723 points, T:13933, killed by a vampire
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