00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:34608 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:34642 00:01 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 00:01 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ EvilHack 0.5.0 and xNetHack 5.1 have been released! 00:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:34650 00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:53610 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:34667 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:4, killed by a falling object 00:03 !who 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Law), 785306 points, T:34667, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nethack/dumplog/1587256800.nh.html 00:03 K2: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] rebatela [evil] eraserhead97 [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] omghax [nh370] Sig [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 00:03 !whereis omghax 00:03 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:8, killed by a falling object 00:04 don't mess up that game 00:05 K2, you need me to save so you can update? 00:05 nope, this is a save-breaking build, so whole new folder and such 00:05 thanks for asking though 00:06 GG Crops! 00:06 It's not usual to have found three wands of cancellation by this point, right? 00:07 heh 00:07 It's not UNusual either 00:10 <@Sig> Two questions: at level 11 is it safe to try to convert a lawful altar in dnh? And is it safe to use a wood-elf as a human? 00:11 <@ChrisANG> Wood elf is safe (and as long as your alignment is good, you'll get warned if you try to eat or sac a same-race monster. 00:11 <@ChrisANG> ) 00:11 elves should be fine to sacrifice 00:11 <@ChrisANG> Altars are dangerous, because gods are quicker to summon minions to defend them. 00:12 <@Sig> How bad are the minions? Last time I beat the Justice Archon pretty easily. 00:13 <@ChrisANG> You'll probably be fine. They are picked in a way that respects difficulty limits. 00:13 <@ChrisANG> So at level 11 you shouldn't get anything too bad unless you're way the heck down the dungeon, and probably not even then. 00:13 <@Sig> Dlvl 14? 00:14 <@ChrisANG> What god? 00:14 <@Sig> God the Father 00:15 <@ChrisANG> I think you're looking at about difficulty 17 archons. 00:16 <@ChrisANG> Which means sword archons, not angels or trumpet archons. 00:16 <@Sig> So no nasties? 00:16 <@ChrisANG> Oh, sword archons are actually kinda nasty. But not that nasty. 00:17 <@ChrisANG> Sword archons have a disintegration attack, so kill 'em quick if they do show up. 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1011 points, T:2121, killed by a cave spider 00:17 <@ChrisANG> It'll damage your gear first, though. 00:17 <@ChrisANG> Did you end up getting Unheld? 00:18 <@ChrisANG> Most disintegration attacks, Sword Archon included, won't destroy artifacts. 00:18 <@ChrisANG> Which means they also won't ever disintegrate you. 00:19 <@Sig> I did. I have reflection too, so I should be safe from the fire attack 00:19 <@ChrisANG> Also, hey, that's a bug. 00:20 <@ChrisANG> You may be limited to Justice Archons right now, due to a mistake in how the summon list is laid out. 00:20 <@riker> lol 00:20 <@Sig> Oh, nice 00:20 <@ChrisANG> It goes Justice, Angel, Sword. 00:20 <@Sig> I think I'm just gonna do it, no guts no glory. 00:20 <@ChrisANG> Or dif 9, 20, 17. 00:21 <@ChrisANG> And it stops when it finds the first out-of-depth summon, so sword archons won't be reached until Angels are no longer out-of-depth. 00:22 <@Sig> Two Justice Archons, which is a possibility I hadn't considered. Should be doable, and the altar is mine now 00:22 !who 00:22 K2: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] rebatela [evil] Sig [dnh] | [hdf-eu] omghax [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 00:22 !whereis omghax 00:22 K2: [hdf-eu] omghax [nh370]: (Tou Hum Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu), 53935 points, T:12371, killed by an invisible quinon 00:26 <@Sig> Dammit 00:27 <@Sig> Zapped create monsters and summoned infinity es. Kinda escape but I thought I was more safe than I was. 00:27 <@Sig> I was running so hot too. 00:28 <@ChrisANG> 😦 00:29 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 <@Pacra> Sig noooo 00:30 <@Pacra> you were having incredible luck 00:32 <@Sig> Yeah, I don't think I'm ever just gonna find Atma lying around again, lol. 00:33 Create monster SD 00:33 Feels bad 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55607 00:34 <@Sig> I feel like I learned a lot, at least. 00:40 !who 00:40 K2: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] rebatela [evil] eraserhead97 [nh370] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] omghax [nh370] 00:41 !whereis omghax 00:41 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [nh370]: (Hea Hum Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:42 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 00:42 ^ new edit level (17). lots of new things and changes 00:42 unicorn horn attribute loss nerf. BoH is more merciful. themed rooms in the dungeons 00:43 *BoH explosions 00:45 Unihorn 00:45 👀 00:57 <@Pacra> @rebetala how's your monk game going 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:56515 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:56542 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Sig (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 351 points, T:1524, killed by a giant spider 01:24 <@Sig> I was excited because I started with protection, but then I forgot to cast it when the time came 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4507 points, T:3939, killed by a jaguar 01:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed fireproof +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:57679 01:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed fireproof +2 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:57680 01:32 <@Sig> > Coaligned altar on level 2 Back and highrolling again 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:544 01:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 sea dragon scale mail", on T:57713 01:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed fireproof +2 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt", on T:57921 01:41 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:57932 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:57952 01:50 <@Suzune Takada> If I'm werewolf race in spl, is polymorph control ring the highest wish priority? 01:50 <@Suzune Takada> (or lycanthrope in slem) 01:52 I'd think you would get polymorph control naturally 01:52 [hdf-us] [spl] MoldyWater (Wiz Gul Nbn Cha), 36 points, T:103, dispatched by a jackal 01:52 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 379 points, T:1016, killed by a water moccasin 01:52 But I dunno 01:54 <@luxidream> pretty sure spl werewolf is unplayable 01:54 <@luxidream> you break all your armor, so 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:2441 01:59 -!- porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:59 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 95 points, T:637, done in by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 02:00 <@Suzune Takada> It's same in slem lycanthrope 02:00 <@Suzune Takada> the most difficult race in slem 02:00 <@Suzune Takada> (vampire is difficult until get ring of slow digestion) 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:58811 02:02 <@luxidream> according to the wiki slem werewolf doesn't break armor 02:02 <@luxidream> is that true? 02:03 <@Suzune Takada> ah 02:03 <@Suzune Takada> correct 02:03 <@Suzune Takada> so spl werewolf is more difficult 02:03 <@Suzune Takada> it's changed behavior in slem, but not adopt in spl yet 02:04 <@Suzune Takada> added angel and infernal(demon) in spl are cool 02:05 <@Suzune Takada> (my first and only ascension in spl is angelic valkyrie) 02:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu), 2889 points, T:3474, killed by a hill orc 02:06 <@luxidream> I think angel is kind of boring, and inf is really strong 02:06 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 33 points, T:112, killed by a bolt of fire 02:06 <@Suzune Takada> goblin with fire wand 😦 02:06 <@Sig> I don't know what killed me? I hit a magic trap and went blind for sure, but I don't know why there were so many enemies around afterwards. Can a magic trap trigger twice? 02:07 <@luxidream> hill orc spawns in groups 02:07 <@Suzune Takada> hill orc/uruk-hai/mordor orc/orc captain spawn in groups 02:08 <@Sig> So they just ran up on me 02:08 <@Suzune Takada> uruk-hai is dangerous when player doesn't have poison resistance yet 02:08 <@Suzune Takada> because they fire poisonous arrow 02:10 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 21 points, T:381, eliminated by a fox 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:14 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:15 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:59666 02:25 [hdf-us] [spl] MoldyWater (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1186 points, T:2113, sent to the next life by a dwarf 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3331 02:31 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon them by Anhur, on T:2901 02:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:39 [hdf-us] [spl] MoldyWater (Wiz Ang Fem Cha), 188 points, T:935, killed by an electric shock 02:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) had Gae Buidhe bestowed upon them by Anhur, on T:4681 02:46 <@Suzune Takada> from fate/zero 😦 02:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:49 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:52 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:5655 02:58 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:6727 03:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:10 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 03:20 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 03:27 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:27 whoops, game crash going down 03:27 hello Tangles! 03:30 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:36 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 21422 points, T:11675, exterminated by a gargoyle 03:48 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:57 Tangles_: stairs to Dlvl:2 crash the new 3.7 04:04 @luxidream: at the time when musicdemon asked, I was already fast asleep. but the answer is: no, slex does not allow the player to wish for properties on items; have to get lucky to find them 04:04 <@luxidream> cool 04:05 otherwise, it would be way too easy to get something like the item he tried to wish for (cloak of magic resistance with the reflection enchantment) 04:07 hothraxxa: thank you so much for speaking out on the things that are wrong with the wand destruction patch. I always thought I was the only one capable of seeing anything wrong with it! 04:07 I know slex has an artifact he can wish for that gives all that and inventorylessness 04:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08 but yeah, you usually troll by game, not by evil advice 04:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 04:38 Hi joes 04:39 I just got off work, sorry... and I have to head out for a half-hour or so. Can look when I get back if K2 doesn't pick it up in the mean time. 04:41 Tangles: no prob, just wanted to tell 04:42 I'll try to reproduce 04:51 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 05:14 wondering if any variant has implemented monsters throwing potions of hallucination 05:15 and the list is splicehack, slex, and evilhack. interesting combination 05:21 I'm surprised they don't do that in fiqhack too 05:22 but then again, players don't throw them a lot so maybe monsters think they are useless for them too 05:22 I don't think I've ever thrown one, when would you want to? 05:25 Hey, nothing else t do with them 05:25 ...until they start giving enlightenment anyway 05:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 27 points, T:169, killed by a grid bug 05:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 33 points, T:287, killed by a grid bug 05:28 <@luxidream> oh boy, the searching change is live 05:29 searching change? do I get to say "variant that pretends to still be vanilla" again? :P (10 bucks says it's a feature pulled from unnethack or some other variant) 05:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:430, killed by a grid bug 05:30 <@luxidream> paxed made it so you can't search next to enemies anymore without m prefix 05:31 Oh yeah, so you don't autopilot and ded because not-a-nurse popped up mid-dance 05:31 wtf, sounds like an interface screw... 10 bucks says they didn't make it configurable for those players who don't need that 05:31 rebatela! join me in saying that there needs to be a way to turn that off! 05:31 <@luxidream> the nurses are hostile 05:32 <@luxidream> so nurse dancing requires very high apm 05:32 <@luxidream> m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m.m. 05:32 You can't count m20. or something? 05:32 man they keep coming up with ways to screw the game over that I couldn't ever have anticipated 05:32 Umbire: the nurse attacking you will probably interrupt that 05:32 <@luxidream> no because you'll be immediately interrupted by the next attack 05:32 Oh duh 05:33 LarienTelrunya: oh, you of all complain about interface screw? LOL 05:33 NetHack 3.7, now with even more interface screws! as if being unable to autopickup stuff from shops weren't already bad enough! 05:33 Mmm, with the attempts to reduce tedium in the main game I'll take a few repeated keystrokes over autopilot deaths anyway 05:33 TBH this sounds like an interface unscrew to me 05:34 <@luxidream> there are other situations like waiting out stun or sitting on scare monster where it would be extremely annoying 05:34 Do you need to m. to wait, too? 05:34 <@luxidream> Yes 05:34 what happens if you hit s while there's a monster next to you now? does the game at least give a message or anything, or do you just mysteriously not search, with no feedback? 05:35 <@luxidream> it should be an option, really, it's quite useful in some situations but annoying in others 05:35 because if it's the latter, everyone who expects the s button to spend a turn will be affected by some *very* annoying keystroke inconsistency now 05:35 <@luxidream> It says "are you waiting to get hit? use "m" to force wait/rest 05:35 paxed: yes, of course I complain about that, especially since it's not configurable :P 05:36 @luxidream lol what the hell is that message? 05:36 is that seriously the wording? 05:36 <@luxidream> "You already found a monster. Use 'm' prefix to force another search. " 05:36 oh god 05:36 <@luxidream> "Are you waiting to get hit? Use 'm' prefix to force a no-op (to rest). " 05:37 good thing I don't have to play that variant :P 05:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1013 05:39 alt s for sit? does that spend a turn? 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1702 points, T:1481, killed by a human zombie 05:43 <@luxidream> I set altmeta to true 05:43 <@luxidream> but it's not doing anything 05:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by a fox 05:43 mmm.... 05:44 <@luxidream> Ah, it doesn't work on hterm 05:44 <@luxidream> when I pull up moba it works just fine 05:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 33 points, T:529, killed by a fox 05:44 so can that work as a wait alternative? 05:46 Evilhack's message is "Having fun sitting on the floor?" don't know about vanilla :-) 05:47 <@luxidream> that's vanilla 05:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:48 Won't work if you're waiting on the quest portal, for instance 05:49 Right. At least you won't normally be nurse dancing on a portal ;-) 05:51 <@luxidream> "Having fun sitting on the ground?" can mask important messages 05:51 You can hide it. 05:52 <@luxidream> It seems silly for us to have to invent another wait key when there are already two 05:54 just how often are you just waiting next to a hostile monster? 05:54 The obvious answer is to add macro support to NetHack ;-) 05:55 Pinkbeast: write my own or use lua? neither is really appealing. 05:55 paxed: why not simply make it configurable. are you trying to reeducate players how to play the game now? :P 05:56 I've not played the new "vanilla" but that sort of spoon-feeding is incredibly repulsive to me at least, and I hope rebatela will chime in and agree with me 05:59 paxed: Well, I'm kind of kidding but also it is a useful feature in roguelikes that have it (admittedly in some cases owing to deficiencies like, say, the way object inventory letters change in Angband) and it would overcome the difficulty here. 05:59 <@luxidream> I think making it an option will make everyone happy 05:59 <@luxidream> on a different note, I like the new rooms so far 06:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3342 06:00 @luxidream this is experimental feature. mostly quickle whipped up watching twitch streamers getting killed by inattention. 06:00 I'm all for this kind of spoon-feeding, albeit I appreciate there is a problem for (eg) nurse dancing 06:00 @luxidream so will probably change 06:01 <@luxidream> Tone would never do such a thing! 06:01 pfft, as if i meant Tone. 06:01 <@luxidream> haha, I'm not aware that there are other active nethack streamers 06:01 it's just newbies who aren't that familiar with nethack, then get frustrated 06:02 matt colville is probably the biggest one by far. 06:02 (gets like 1k watchers or something. but that's mostly due to dnd peeps) 06:02 <@luxidream> ah, I see 06:02 at least you're not doing what the Elona devs did; they made it so that if the player taps down the wait key and doesn't move to a different space for 5000 turns or so, they just die automatically! and they did this "because players were afk-ing the game too much"... 06:02 <@luxidream> perhaps there should be something to keep them from holding down buttons as well 06:03 <@luxidream> to move 06:03 On a related note, lose rest_on_space. Or burn it, because if you lose it, you might find it again. :-/ 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2796 points, T:4116, quit 06:04 <@luxidream> I guess there's not an easy way to tell if a button is held though, without interfering with player agency 06:05 @luxidream: what's your stance on escaping out of messages? I've seen some slex players do that and it gives me the heebie jeebies whenever I see it 06:05 <@luxidream> I do that all the time, not a smart idea in slex though I take it 06:06 heh, I guess in vanilla the chance of something like "The soldier hits you with the cockatrice corpse." being skipped past is remote 06:06 I think you'd have to know literally all the things that might produce an important message like that one, and for SLEX the set of people who know that is very small. 06:06 <@luxidream> if you can't reasonably be threatened by the things around you and check your status bar afterwards it's usually okay 06:07 <@luxidream> I don't care to see every angel on astral hit each other with magic missiles 06:08 Pinkbeast: but yes, i've got a "macro system" in my todo file... :P 06:08 <@luxidream> Vaults, macros, we are getting closer and closer to crawl 06:09 otab when :P 06:09 and also autoexplore, autofight and ultimately autoplaythegameforyou! 06:10 <@luxidream> autoexplore exists in some variants, it's terribly inefficient 06:10 <@luxidream> which matters more in nethack than dcss imo 06:10 <@luxidream> it also virtually guarantees you step on most traps, so 06:12 autoexplore is not really needed for nethack, due to level size 06:12 if we ever get larger than one screen levels, then it would be more useful 06:12 that's what THEY want you to believe! 06:13 heh, even in bigslex I never long for an autoexplore button, I explore those levels by hand :P 06:13 <@luxidream> it saves time in the many mazes that currently exist in nethack 🙂 06:13 LarienTelrunya: you are also crazy 06:13 (125x45, for the record, compared to vanilla's 80x25) 06:13 bhaak: yeah, I guess I am :D 06:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:27968 06:17 Autofight 06:17 You hit the cockatrice! You turn to stone... 06:17 <@luxidream> Fewer enemies in dcss have passive attacks 06:18 mm 06:18 even in dcss autoexplore isn't great, but then I miss it in nethack 06:18 m_ 06:18 autofight I don't understand 06:19 <@luxidream> lazy people, like speedrunners 06:19 speaking from experience :B 06:19 ...okay too easy 06:20 low-hanging fruit jokes aside I don't see vanilla tending towards too many auto-options 06:20 at least not in the near future personally 06:20 Andrio: vampires used to bite cockatrices in unnethack ... 06:20 considering this read to me as an attempt to *reduce* autopilot dedding 06:21 autounlock is nice 06:21 <@luxidream> what is :B? does he have the sunglasses on over his mouth? 06:21 :B <- bucktooth 06:23 indication I'm being silly in some manner 06:24 <@luxidream> oh, I've only ever seen that as an emoji 06:24 mm 06:24 paxed: you still having to do with Rodney? 06:25 rodney's being unmaintained 06:25 more or less 06:25 thinking about the wait/thing, a simple toggle like there is for autopickup would be nice 06:26 K2: looks like the hf article on wiki needs some updating 06:31 Unmaintained? 06:37 he doesn't report players of 3.6.6 06:41 Oh 06:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57 @luxidream Reinterpret ":D" as a covid mask emoji. 07:08 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: reboot for maintenance] 07:11 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:23 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:36 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 165 points, T:316, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:02 -!- pm_me_triangles has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- pm_me_triangles has quit [Client Quit] 08:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:12 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3902 points, T:2690, killed by a crocodile 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:27090 08:32 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:34 morning 08:34 morning! 08:34 afternoon 08:37 o/ 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1049 points, T:1048, killed by a gnome lord 08:40 hi K2 08:40 I have a crash for you 08:41 which game 08:41 last game 08:41 you're killin me... which game were you playing 08:41 process is still open 08:41 sry 3.7 08:41 :) 08:41 us server right? 08:41 eu 08:41 ok 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:374 08:42 triggered by taking the downstairs to Dlvl2 08:43 this ttyrec shows it btw https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/joes/nethack/ttyrec/2020-04-20.07:53:32.ttyrec.gz 08:43 'Checkpointing was not in effect for 5joes -- recovery impossible.' 08:43 hmm 08:44 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 08:44 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 08:48 I didn't turn it off 08:48 its not anything you did or didnt do 08:49 joes try now 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 632 points, T:1157, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:49 great, it loaded 08:50 that was a restore of a dgl backup, not an actual game recovery 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:27563 08:51 thanks. what happened? 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:275 08:52 joes: i have a backtrace of the crash but i dont know exactly yet 08:53 so we'll see if I survive the morning 08:54 bhaak: what's the german phrase for 'your wife waking up knowing she's turned 40 but hasnt had her morning coffee yet' ? 08:55 I dont think I can hide 08:55 congrats K2 \o/ 08:57 K2: Älterwerdenmorgenblues 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:877 08:58 bhaak: perfect thank you 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:921 08:58 i'm about to experience 'Älterwerdenmorgenblues' 08:58 <{Demo}1> lol 08:59 pray for me 08:59 You begin praying to [K2's preferred deity]. You feel that [K2's preferred deity] is pleased. 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1056 09:00 which today that preferred deity is this bottle of rum I have stashed away 09:01 "You feel that this bottle of rum I have stash away is displeased." 09:02 bhaak: what about Älterwerdenmorgenbluesvordemkaffee 09:03 Nachgeburtstagsmorgenvorkaffeeblues 09:04 lol 09:04 i love goggle translate 09:04 google even 09:04 K2: could you grab my savefile before I try going down again? 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2150 points, T:1596, poisoned by an orcish arrow 09:07 K2: you are an optimist if you think that coffee will fix this 09:08 you ust dont know 09:08 *just 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:514 09:11 joes give it a go if you havent already 09:12 nope, same again 09:16 i cant recover it, it'll just happen again 09:16 i'm afriad that game is 'toast' 09:16 luckily you were just at dlvl 1 09:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:42, killed by a wand 09:17 !lastgame nabru 09:17 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/xnethack/dumplog/1587388632.xnh.html 09:17 don't worry 09:18 Tried to access my last game and got a 403 Fobidden error 09:18 *Forbidden 09:18 Oops, it worked now 09:19 clicked too quick? 09:20 yep, pretty much so 09:20 I just wanted to see what had hit me... evil goblins and their wands of death 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 255 points, T:367, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:21 nabru: sometimes when dgl creates a dumplog, the file permissions arent set correctly. hdf runs a script once per minute to correct those 09:22 so sometimes there's a one min lag before you can access a dumplog/ttyrec 09:22 K2: oh, I understand. Thanks 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1218 09:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:688 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:785 09:34 Hmmm snarks can't be killed in one hit with Vorpal Blade... lucky snark 09:35 Well, yeah, it's only jabberwocks 09:35 <{Demo}1> had a dream i was flying around trying to hit stuff with a +50 vorpal blade I'd wished for while blind 09:35 so not all J 09:36 confusing dream, why were you blind? :-) 09:37 "Vorpal Blade beheads the snark! You kill the snark!" got ya! 09:38 if a J's name doesnt have 'jabberwock' in it, you cant one hit kill it with vorpal 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:60357 09:39 Shurely "you can't automatically"... :-) 09:43 Well done Pacra! 09:44 !who 09:44 Andrio: [hdf-us] Delraven [slshm] hothraxxa [evil] Pacra [evil] rebatela [evil] hyperion67 [nh370] Karnac [nh370] CaptainGanz [nh370] arnibald [spl] post163 [spl] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] pinball [nh370] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 09:50 joes sorry got pulled away. we're looking into a fix so that crash doesnt happen again 09:53 !who 09:53 Andrio: [hdf-us] Delraven [slshm] hothraxxa [evil] Pacra [evil] rebatela [evil] hyperion67 [nh370] Karnac [nh370] CaptainGanz [nh370] SuzuneTakada [spl] arnibald [spl] post163 [spl] ripley [nh343] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] pinball [nh370] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 09:58 K2 can I have my game recovered? 09:58 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 346 points, T:1106, sent to the next life by a wererat 09:58 Andrio yes 09:58 bhaak: hallucination fumes do not have an effect on players, which is why fiqhack monsters don 09:58 one moment please 09:58 't throw them 09:58 sorry I meant bug_sniper but he has left 09:59 oh also there is probably another reason too -- it only works on players 09:59 having monsters throw hallu on players would be unfair because players can't do the same on monsters 09:59 Andrio game receove 09:59 game recovered 09:59 damn dog lol 09:59 receoved 10:00 Thanks 10:00 K2: my game needs receoving too :) 10:00 (it doesn't) 10:00 I'm on mobile Internet now so it shouldn't happen again 10:01 K2, it still says there are some stale nh370.16-hdf processes; are we clear to kill those? 10:03 ah yeah one sec 10:03 Andrio exit dgl please 10:03 ok, done 10:05 ok Andrio lets try again 10:05 <@Pacra> @mobileuser thank you 10:06 <@Pacra> @K2 10/10 good ice queen lair, much better than That Other Game 10:06 Same result. 10:06 what does dgl say 10:06 There are some stale nh370.16-hdf processes 10:07 declining to recover starts the game with the 'shall I choose a role for you' prompt 10:07 wtf 10:07 heh ok one sec 10:07 you out of dgl again? 10:07 So I accidentally got into another game that way and quit it. Hopefully that didn't clobber anything. 10:08 i see your save, its intact 10:08 are you out of dgl? 10:08 I left and reconnected when you told me to. 10:08 ok are you out of dgl *now* ? 10:08 Yes. 10:08 ok 10:09 FIQ: [backscroll] There are some proposals for implementing hallucination on monsters (they attack either a small fraction of random creatures, hallucinating that fraction as enemies, or a large fraction of random creatures, hallucinating that most monsters are enemy players). 10:09 should dgl be starting the game at all in this case? 10:09 the one game I've seen that implements hallucination for monsters (PMD) makes them treat everyone as an enemy 10:10 thus it's utterly unhelpful if you're up against a single enemy, but it can be useful if there's a group of enemies in the area 10:10 Andrio ok lets try this again 10:11 hm, it's loaded the save file this time. 10:11 i see it 10:12 Thanks again. 10:12 no prob. i missed a process last go around. thanks for your patience 10:13 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 10:14 ^ joes this should allieviate the issue you were having ealier 10:14 ^ Andrio this does not affect your current game as you're still on edit level 16 10:14 Beware the less overpowered unicorn horn. 10:15 themed rooms \o/ 10:15 That too~ 10:15 People say vanilla is becoming UnNetHack 10:15 I'm not sure that's a bad thing really 10:15 evilhack master lich doesn't teleport to the upstairs when hit... annoying lich :-) 10:15 :) 10:15 people are saying stupid thing. 10:17 mobileuser this is why - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9bbf3096a2d842366d9a8812320d23470334f503 10:18 OK! Now he teleported to the very top-right corner, bastard. 10:18 Not just the Amulet of Yendor, but The Amulet of Yendor 10:18 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18 THE 10:18 wait a minute! that's mine. give it back 10:19 an Amulet of Yendor named THE 10:19 Dead priests don't steal amulets. 10:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3982 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3982 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3986 10:22 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:22 what was the issue with joes' game K2? 10:23 Finally got the master lich, now clean up time for the monsters he summoned. 10:23 would you say you had a lich you just couldn't scratch? 10:24 amateurhour: https://git.io/JfTqI 10:24 le ich, oui 10:25 fair enough 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:703 10:26 <{Demo}1> jesusss lol 10:26 It probably shouldn't prompt me for what to 'Call an Amulet of Yendor' 10:27 amateurhour lua_State pointer with themed rooms 10:28 LOL two giants are knocking me back between them. Living punching ball. 10:28 :) 10:29 whichever one lets you hit the ground first loses the point 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 240 points, T:1166, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:30 "The storm giant snatches Vorpal Blade!" this is getting tricky now :-) 10:31 wand of death time probably 10:31 https://www.dropbox.com/s/i43jgtxmp43018x/annotation%202020-04-21%20002927.png?raw=1 10:31 because why not? 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 335 points, T:950, killed by a bat 10:32 They can't use Vorpal Blade, right? 10:33 It would surprise me if they can't use vorpy 10:33 wait 10:33 how did a storm giant steal vorpal blade from you 10:33 Andrio I have no idea what you are doing but it looks amazing :-) 10:34 Taunting Vlad the Impaler. 10:34 Andrio kill vlad wielding the amulet... awesome 10:34 smart storm giant, he grabbed a whip that a demon had earlier 10:34 aaaahh 10:34 though some other things showed up which I used Stormbringer to deal with. 10:34 for a sec there i thought some M3 flag shenanigans were going on 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 111 points, T:429, killed by a black pudding 10:34 Evil Patch idea: make Vlad immune to all melee and missile attacks that deal more than 2 points of damage per hit, so you have to use a Vladsbane. With 3.6's ultra-buffed ubervlad. 10:35 I should have grabbed that whip, lesson learnt. 10:35 * Andrio hits Vlad the Impaler with the cockatrice corpse. --More-- 10:36 ok time to get the things and stuff. we're baking a cake! 10:36 I'll say it again 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:333 10:36 it's really nice that you can teleport across Juiblex's swamp now. 10:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3510 points, T:2217, killed by an orc-captain 10:39 Oh no, he cursed my ring of free action 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:901 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 573 points, T:1367, killed by a little dog 10:45 !who 10:45 nabru: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] nabru [nh370] hyperion67 [nh370] Karnac [nh370] qt [nh370] bouquet [spl] ripley [nh343] zoya [xnh] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [evil] mobileuser [evil] mosen [nh370] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1904 10:46 g - a tin of storm giant meat. 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2063 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Val Hum Fem Law), 197516 points, T:17710, killed by a lieutenant 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:2266 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:619 10:55 never kill a demon prince would be a fun tnnt conduct 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3388 10:55 slash demon lord 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "foo", on T:4000 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17554 10:59 So I killed him and he literally came back again the next turn 10:59 Standing right on top of his own corpse. 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:482 11:00 <@microlance> so whats a good second wish for early game wizard, with magicbane and a robe. gauntlets of power? speed boots or bag of holding? 11:00 <@microlance> and sdsm 11:00 Probably silver dragon scale mail. 11:00 If you have reflection already, speed boots 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4265 11:01 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:02 <@microlance> sdsm was the first wish, yeah probably speed boots. str i will get to 18 in sokoban anyways 11:03 <@microlance> but all this early game luck feels like i will never find a bag of holding 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:714 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3445 11:03 How do you disintegrate an air elemental? 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:944 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:970 11:06 plasma? 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:304 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 266 points, T:473, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:11 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 258 points, T:620, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1082 points, T:1396, killed by a human zombie 11:19 gratz!! 11:19 Thanks~ 11:20 Congrats! 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof fireproof +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:618 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:891 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1450 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1450 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1572 11:34 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35 congrats Andrio \o/ 11:35 <{Demo}1> how much net could a nethack hack if a nethack could hack net? 11:35 congrats andrio 11:36 <@riker> grats andrio 11:36 <@riker> lol with extra wishes too 11:36 Thanks all. 11:36 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1364 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:1402 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1920 11:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1737 points, T:3167, killed by a giant spider 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:5076 11:42 baking a CAKE 11:42 LarienTelrunya: if you think 3.6 is an 'ultra-buffed ubervlad', you should check out EvilHack's Vlad. 11:43 well I expected as much, after all it's called *evil*hack and not disneylandhack :P 11:43 hah 11:43 when your 8 year old has to guide you on how to not screw up mixing the cake mix... 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 4196 points, T:5447, killed by a winter wolf cub 11:46 does she know yet that she had been defeated by some evilhack player? 11:47 she knows she doused a player in a torrent of acid and killed them 11:47 <@riker> and she is happy with that result? 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:632 11:47 but yeah she knows 11:47 she helped me play test it 11:47 a few of the 'verbalize' phrases are hers 11:47 <@riker> > You are caught in the splash of acid! It is fatal. 11:47 <@riker> (from mobileuser's dumplog) 11:47 <@riker> that's a pretty sad way to go, lol 11:48 wow you have a 8-year-old cuddle bundle girl that plays nethack? lucky you :) 11:48 she doesnt really play yet 11:48 I wish my roommate (who is obviously much older than 8) played nethack... 11:48 but she watches me, and I sometimes ask her what sounds fun to see 11:48 <@riker> it makes it sound like an acid instadeath 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1181 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1505 points, T:1812, killed by a brown mold 11:54 <@Pacra> I keep thinking that beholders are monotons in eh 11:54 <@Pacra> truly evil 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1347 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2537 12:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1982 points, T:3851, killed by a black unicorn 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 2159 points, T:2833, killed by a wand 12:10 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 12:11 the ice queen was well balanced I would say 12:11 Vlad absolutely roflstomped me tho 12:11 Check out every's anti-magic field issues. Ever seen anything like it? https://drive.google.com/file/d/14AGEVE3DC-2w8QMveXaQprCooXk0m264/view?usp=sharing 12:11 haha wtf 12:11 <@riker> huh 12:11 <@riker> that's pretty amusing 12:12 Fortunately, he's a rogue, so the power loss is no problem. 12:12 imagine if those were magic traps 12:12 <@riker> fire traps 12:12 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 12:12 <@riker> not possible there, but imagine the max hp loss 12:13 If those were magic traps, the screen shot would nto have been available, not even. 12:13 a full room of anti-magic traps is still crazy though 12:13 <@riker> yeah, he'd be blind probably :) 12:13 More like dead 12:14 I guess blind is a subset of dead 12:14 Can ghosts see? 12:15 They have infravision according to the wiki 12:16 !tell K2 to check this out when his cake is finished: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14AGEVE3DC-2w8QMveXaQprCooXk0m264/view?usp=sharing 12:16 I'm on it, Bliss56. 12:21 Bliss56 thats a themed room 12:21 K2: Message from Bliss56 at 2020-04-20 12:16 EDT: to check this out when his cake is finished: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14AGEVE3DC-2w8QMveXaQprCooXk0m264/view?usp=sharing 12:22 Themed room? 12:22 Anything like a death trap? 12:22 with this newest version of 3.7, you'll find rooms with different shapes, and some rooms that are 'special' 12:22 and a combo of both 12:22 * paxed thinks maybe tone down the number of traps a teensy bit 12:22 !who 12:23 hah 12:23 nabru: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] hothraxxa [evil] rebatela [evil] krm26 [evil] Bliss56 [nh370] oh6 [nh370] hyperion67 [nh370] every [nh370] nabru [nh370] qt [zapm] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [evil] microlance [nh370] lacca [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:23 food time brb 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:61433 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:61436 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3460 12:23 That's pretty special. Was that room the fu spellcasters theme? 12:24 it just picks a random trap from a list and puts lots of 'em in the room 12:24 I know there's some way to fall to your death here. I really don't care to find out the details 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:34658 12:25 paxed: I haven't been able to look closely at the themed room code yet, is it capable of only generating some room types above a certain level difficulty? 12:26 i like the more spacious tower though, k2 12:26 aosdict: difficulty, as in ... level_difficulty()? 12:30 aosdict: level_difficulty isn't exposed to lua yet, but you can access player's hp, level, etc 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3954 12:38 <@Sig> [dnh] What altar monster can I get at dlvl1 xplvl1? Is anything "in depth" at that point? Altar is lawful. 12:38 <@riker> nothing yet 12:38 <@riker> and what god specifically? 12:39 <@riker> also, saying [dnh] like that makes it look like a fallout skill check or something 12:39 <@riker> you can only unlock this dialogue option the dnh perk :) 12:42 <@Sig> Lol, couldn't think of a better way to integrate it into the sentence. 12:42 <@riker> nah it works great 12:42 <@Sig> God the Father. Do the altar monsters change per god? 12:43 <@Sig> I thought there was just a set for lawful/neutral/chaotic 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11314 points, T:4654, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:44 @riker: damn, I wish fallout 3 worked on my PC without being laggy as hell :/ 12:44 <@riker> sig: they do, for some 12:44 <@riker> for him it's just the angel listt 12:45 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 <@riker> yeah until you're strong enough for justice archons you'll get nada 12:47 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a falling rock 12:47 <@microlance> now i can play wizard like your supposed to. full melee 12:47 <@ChrisANG> Mind, I think Justice Archons are difficulty 7, and altar generation gives a +5 modifier to allowable difficulty, so you'd come into depth very quickly. 12:47 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 26 points, T:6, killed by a poisoned well 12:48 <@ChrisANG> No later than 3 (dungeon level or XP value) 12:49 <@Sig> Oof, thanks for the heads up 12:49 <@riker> where's the +5 to diff in the code chris? 12:49 <@riker> ah i see it 12:49 <@ChrisANG> I'm not positive, I'm going on memory 😄 12:49 <@ChrisANG> Ah, good 🙂 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:47224 12:51 <@riker> also it doesn't matter about your xp level chris 12:51 <@riker> that's always bugged me, actually 12:52 <@Sig> Oh, so I just can't get monsters from this altar? 12:53 <@riker> in particular since the god_gives_pet thing (which gives a tame minion) doens't consider your xp level at all, I think 12:53 <@riker> sig: possibly yeah idk, I may be reading that wrong 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:43882 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8144 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:8181 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8186 12:56 <@Sig> Gods can give pets? 12:57 <@riker> very rarely 12:58 <@riker> it's like, ridiculously low, I did the math once 12:58 <@Sig> Lol 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 163 points, T:388, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:00 <@ChrisANG> Oh, yeah, look at that. 13:00 <@riker> ? 13:01 <@ChrisANG> Your level doesn't count. 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:36067 13:02 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 64 points, T:47, killed by a monster (river moccasin) 13:02 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 13:03 paxed: yeah I figure exposing level difficulty to lua itself isn't the tough point, rather that is the framework there for not selecting a certain room unless some condition is met. 13:03 hmmm...try the new 3.7.0 or stay with splicehack. decisions decisions. 13:03 aosdict: just return from the function before doing anything. 13:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:06 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 29 points, T:115, killed by a monster (nuut) 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:64552 13:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:14 paxed: so that would take care of the main problem, but sort of looks like if you had a lot of possible theme rooms for the deeper dungeon levels, the upper floors would be more likely to randomly pick those and fail to generate, biasing them against having as many theme rooms. 13:15 <@riker> yeah sig if you're curious about the pet giving - chance goes down with more xp level, but it is 1/961 per sacrifice at xp 1 and 1/3600 of sacrifices at xp 30 13:16 <@riker> which, in my humble opinion, is kinda bs considering your first artifact gift is 1/10 and even after 3 artiwishes and 5 gifts you've still got a 1/90 chance 13:18 and if I'm reading the frequency calculation right, if there are 10 themed rooms defined as functions besides the ordinary freq 1000 room, then any given themed room has a 1000/1010 chance of being ordinary and a 10/1010 chance of being any of the other ones? am I reading that right? 13:18 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 282 points, T:346, killed by a system shock 13:19 <@Sig> Lol 13:19 yes 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3211 13:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 307 points, T:107, killed by a monster (water demon) 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 2070 points, T:3425, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 hmm, so it could be done where if you want a level difficulty minimum for a given room, you define it as a table with contents function, rather than as a plain function, and have min_depth or something as a property of the table 13:24 for ones that are just a plain function, it's assumed that frequency = 1 and min_depth = 1 13:26 by having min_depth on the table, the room picking code can ignore any out-of-depth rooms and avoid that bias 13:26 sure. except there are currently no such rooms. 13:29 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 59 points, T:269, killed by a lightning trap 13:31 if there ever are any depth-restricted ones, then it could be rewritten. 13:31 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Aci Ins Mal Cha), 826 points, T:44, killed by a monster (sewer rat) 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 1131 points, T:2123, killed by a dwarf king 13:40 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 0 points, T:51, killed by a system shock 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 444 points, T:2263, killed by a kobold mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:47 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 30 points, T:42, killed by a monster (Schplichtchie) 13:47 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 13:52 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:53 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:53 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9193 13:53 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:1547 13:54 WOW! level 3, on level 3, first sacrifice and I get Cleaver! 13:54 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:57 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:59 "You are caught in the splash of acid! It is fatal." 14:00 Guess who is wearing yellow DSM now. Muahahahah! 14:01 ok i give up. where is this ice queen realm? 14:01 <@riker> level above medusa 14:01 that's what i thought 14:02 just couldn't find 14:02 <@riker> mobileuser: well, that will work 14:02 <@riker> :) 14:02 ;-) 14:03 damn it. Cleaver killed my pet. :P 14:04 <@riker> did you think RNG was going to be that kind? 14:07 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 5085 points, T:3087, exterminated by a gnome, while sleeping 14:07 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 14:07 do i really need to polypile for an axe? 14:08 no there is a battleaxe on the level 14:08 at least, there was last time.... 14:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4094 14:08 maybe kicking works as well 14:10 ahh ok. i already went back to the mines looking for a groundscore 14:11 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:13 k2: juiblex does not observe social distancing, and often appears in a closed door 14:14 juiblex is M1_AMORPHOUS 14:14 oh 14:14 well then 14:14 <@riker> he squeezes 14:15 he's like a big bowl of jello no one wants 14:15 <@riker> will he melt iron bars he squeezes through? 14:15 itym a bowl of snot 14:15 <@riker> don't listen to k2, we still appreciate you juiblex 14:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4600 14:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:63287 14:18 <@riker> ah, you did find the ice branch 14:18 a bowl of jello that someone sneezed in repeatedly 14:19 fuk 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1714736 points, T:63336, drowned in a pool of water, while fumbling 14:19 sigh 14:19 <@riker> :( 14:19 <{Demo}1> hey i like jello 14:20 !lastgame rebatela 14:20 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1586629061.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1567799550.dnh.txt 14:20 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 k2: i like the new vlad's tower 14:20 cool 14:21 <@riker> the ice queen's realm should be ban scrolls/wands/spbks of fire from generating 14:21 oooh you encountered a frost giant riding a woolly mammoth 14:21 <@riker> .s/be ban/ban/ 14:21 @riker no it shouldnt :) 14:21 fwiw it does ban fire traps 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11929 14:21 i had been levitating but i went down the stairs and well, now i'm dead 14:22 rip rebatela :( 14:22 * rebatela shrug 14:22 * rebatela shrugs 14:22 * rebatela cries 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:525 14:22 you are not the first to perish in the ice queen's realm 14:23 rebatela is undead! we should attack him 14:23 here -> ! have some booze 14:23 what caused you to drown? 14:23 my pet got stuck again... 14:23 joes yeah that hasnt been addressed yet 14:24 thinking about playing giant again. I missed boulders as a human 14:24 fyi - guaranteed BoH at the end of that branch now 14:24 <@riker> amateur: wand of fire 14:24 <@riker> on ice, while not levitating 14:24 ah 14:24 i figure thats fine because you cant just waltz in and get it 14:25 I must have been really lucky to have not been zapped by fire 14:25 when I did the ice queen's realm, there was a frost giant with a wand of fire 14:25 i didn't have a bag of holding until post-castle 14:25 but I was really paranoid and would cut down random trees for a safe place to stand 14:25 i got out of it because I had water walking boots 14:25 but otherwise... 14:25 although i couldn't find that branch until now.. i was about to go for rodney. didn't even need to do the ice queen 14:25 ice queen says no! 14:26 i killed vlad without falling to my death though! ;) 14:26 i felt so bad.. I had been watching you play that night 14:26 I killed the ice queen then got my ass handed to me by Vlad 14:26 same game I fell to my death! So hats off to rebatela! 14:26 how did you take on vlad as a giant monk rebatela ? 14:26 me: 'hey kathryn' her: 'yeah daddy?' me: 'another player died on your level' her: 'COOOOOL' 14:27 hahaha 14:27 adventurer ass salad served up by Vlad, teh Ice Queen and the bottomless pit 14:27 K2: lol 14:27 how did she react to someone beating it? 14:27 tell her, who gave you that nice pound coin with the Welsh dragon on it? 14:27 daddy did koa or ozzy die? me: no her: ok thats fine 14:28 amateurhour: i think i put a boulder on the stairs down and either magic missled (spell) or just melee'd. He will drain you though with that lifestealer thing 14:28 no, no, we will not kill the dogs! 14:28 she's concerned about the dogs 14:28 bless 14:28 did the same thing now as human monk. Just melee'd. Lost one level and got it back with the kill 14:28 I tried meleeing and got destroyed, but I wasn't as high levelled as you I think rebatela 14:28 that's sweet 14:28 based on your feedback folks, this went live last night - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9c79874645a4d2987bece5b7650be689c2db826a 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:50258 14:29 YANI: Amorphous monsters that are huge or giant cannot squeeze under doors (or possibly through iron bars). 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:50258 14:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 I brought it up before, but boulders from boulder traps can pass through iron bars 14:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:30 (if you're looking at what stuff can go through iron bars atm) 14:31 ugh K2 now I gotta play evilhack again to see this added lore 14:31 heh 14:31 amateurhour: those are two totally different pieces of code 14:31 K2: I like the closer relationship between the dogs and Kathryn the Ice Queen 14:31 I will put it up as a YANI for you though to make boulders not pass through iron bars 14:31 that should be there 14:31 @riker [backscroll] Wait, is it instadeath to fall into water during the monsters' turn? 14:32 elenmirie yay! I thought you'd like that 14:32 or destroy the iron bars or something 14:32 that bit was based on your feedback 14:32 go Koa and Ozzy! 14:32 you made the fight harder with that quirk :( 14:32 something else i should add - if ozzy tries to eat anything, koa flips out and tries to bite his face off. cuz that happen daily around here IRL 14:32 and flavour better, stop whinging 14:33 but whinging is my middle name 14:33 amateur whinging hour 14:33 hey no leaking irl names in irc 14:33 amateur whinging hour 14:33 lol snap aosdict 14:33 heh 14:35 Seriously, if the Ice Queen has dogs, they should defend her loyally 14:35 yes, I agree, it wasn't a serious complaint 14:35 ;) 14:35 <@riker> aosdict: wiztest says no 14:35 <@riker> i'm guessing the fire melting the ice left no open spots to stand 14:35 K2: what happens if you tele the dogs away? do the queen's pacify messages reflect that? 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:112 14:36 I was really scared of the fight so I built a boulder square, lured the dogs to me, and hit in the fort to regen 14:36 oh are those your dogs names? 14:36 <@riker> also, maybe if they were burdened aosdict 14:36 riker maybe the fumble effect from the ice occurred? 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:44839 14:38 <@riker> amateur: hm, it did say while fumbling in the death message 14:38 @riker the dumplog shows they were clearly not burdened, and had a bunch of other ice spaces to crawl to 14:39 paxed: no it doesnt 14:39 you probably die if you fumble and fall into the water 14:39 good catch 14:39 and rebatela was not wearing any fumbling armor 14:39 slipping on the ice that melts as you fall, what a way to go 14:39 fumbling from ice aosdict 14:39 so any fumbling would have come from ice, which is not there after you fall into the water 14:39 ??? 14:40 there's a bug here 14:40 slip on ice -> monster zaps fire -> death 14:40 ? 14:40 you're still in your helpless turns when going into the water 14:40 the message history indicates no slipping on ice prior to the giant zapping his wand 14:41 <@microlance> pretty annoying that you cant wait at one spot while nurse dancing 14:41 i was not fumbling 14:41 just floundering 14:41 flummoxing 14:41 tried in vanilla, crawled out of the water 14:42 'You slip on the ice' 14:42 aosdict were you surrounded by ice on all 8 sides? 14:42 'frost giant zaps a wand of fire' 14:42 sounds like fumbling from ice to me 14:42 K2: yes 14:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:42 yeah it said you make a lot of noise 14:42 i figured just becuse of the ice 14:42 Jeezus, just take their wands of fire away 14:42 always says that 14:43 rebatela: there's no message like that in your dumplog 14:43 then i was looking at the dungeon overview 14:43 aosdict are we looking at the same dumplog 14:43 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1586629061.evil.html 14:43 elenmirie: its random - vanilla code. giant could spawn with a lot of different types of wands 14:43 'You slip on the ice.' 14:43 you keep the salamanders from being fire salamanders 14:44 you can keep the frost giants from having wands of fire 14:44 if you want to 14:44 i could... but i dont wanna 14:44 but then how would they light their cigarettes? 14:44 this branch is supposed to be challenging on multiple levels 14:44 molotov cocktails 14:45 shouldnt be able to just walk in and win easy-peasy 14:45 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:45 shouldn't just walk in and die randomly either 14:45 K2 can you add paranoid_confirmation:autowin_icequeenbranch 14:45 lol 14:45 gah 14:45 elenmirie you just described nethack 14:45 'walk in and die randomly' 14:46 ok, oldstyle nethack, true 14:46 'every game is winnable' - absolutely not K2 14:46 sure they are 14:46 as long as your name is Tariru 14:46 when I died in 1.3d from randomly wandering into water I did not complain, because that was the way of it 14:47 devastating as it is, I think the death was 100% fair 14:47 standing on ice, and having something zap fire at you and you possibly drowning isnt my creation 14:47 thats vanilla code through and through 14:47 no, but on an ice world level... 14:47 yup 14:47 i wouldn't like it if that didn't happen 14:47 thats the risk you take 14:47 a wand of fire should not exist 14:47 Are you sure you would like to drown? Y/n? 14:47 they gotta stay warm somehow 14:47 i'll suck it up 14:48 no don't do that rebatela! that's not nethack 14:48 for what its worth, fire traps wont spawn in that branch 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1097 14:48 I put on fumble boots in vanilla and fell into ice, still crawled out 14:48 yes I know 14:48 alrighty then 14:48 well, off we go! 14:48 i love how aosdict is going to bat for me here (or is he just trying to find a flaw in your game?) 14:49 i did nothing to the fumble code 14:49 if i ever make it to the Ice Queen's realm again, maybe I'll know how to survive 14:49 prbly not 14:49 rebatela: I don't see the reason you died, and I want to know why you died. 14:49 if you can get him to bring my game back that'd be pretty sweet, but i'm not holding my breath 14:49 bring your game back? 14:49 lol 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:50715 14:49 dream, dream... 14:50 I'm not trying to get you a recovery :) 14:50 dream dream dream 14:50 like i said, i'm with k2. i think that's fair game. I knew it was ice. 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1211 14:50 dream, dream... 14:50 'You slip on the ice' 14:50 he was in process of fumbling as he drown 14:50 the death message states this 14:50 you fall on your arse 14:50 that doesn't cause paralysis 14:51 he wasnt paralyzed 14:51 ok, if I go do the valk quest, I have to be careful to stay off the ice 14:51 I haven't looked at evilhack's code yet but you said you didn't change it and there's nothing in the vanilla drowning code about ice or fumbling 14:51 If I fuggup, it's my fault 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1519 14:52 aosdict correct, i did nothing to evilhack in terms of fumbling 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1554 14:52 elenmirie on the valk quest you could very easily walk onto a hidden fire trap on the ice and drown 14:52 thats wors e than a monster with a wand of fire 14:52 yes 14:53 and dont forget all those gdamn fire ants 14:53 that's why you tread carefully 14:53 but the result is the same 14:53 sure, and you come prepared 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1962 14:53 you don't *have* to walk on ice at any point in the valk quest 14:53 against that you can tread carefully, against a monster with a wand of fire, not so much 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 537 points, T:1966, killed by a gnome king 14:53 i jsut wish i hadn't even done the branch... i didn't need it. could have easily just polyd/wished anything i needed 14:53 aosdict: correct 14:54 rebatela: it is voluntary 14:54 <{Demo}1> man, etherealoid early game is hard 14:54 you dont *have* walk on ice in the ice queen branch either 14:54 I think the reward is not good enough though, although the addition of a BoH is better 14:54 K2: really? 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:305 14:54 you can fly (amulet) or levitate (ring) or ride a flying steed, or wear water walking boots 14:55 right 14:55 ok then 14:55 yeah i could have done all 3 14:55 glad we settled that 14:55 ok, so one of those things is a requirement 14:55 no it isnt 14:55 I lived because of ww boots 14:55 i was never bitching bro 14:55 you dont HAVE to do any of that 14:55 let me clarify. you don't have to walk on ice in the valk quest at all, even if you can fly or levitate 14:55 fun game 14:55 <@Pacra> i was hype for the pegasus and then it got termill before i could get out of the lair 14:55 aosdict: exactly 14:55 depends on how much risk you're willing to accept 14:55 <@riker> ouch, that sucks pacra 14:56 can't 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:410 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:410 14:56 <@riker> it should be able to cure that though? 14:56 pegasus should be more buff 14:56 if i made the pegasus any more buff it'd be OP 14:56 I didn't have any of those things when I did the quest branch 14:56 <@Pacra> my cure sickness spell timed out just as he got bit 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 602 points, T:422, killed by a giant ant 14:56 <@riker> shouldn't pegasus be able to cure sick on himself 14:56 and pegasus died in the same floor as I got him :D 14:56 <@riker> isn't he a funky flying unicorn here 14:56 <@riker> or just a flying horse 14:56 horse with wings 14:56 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 14:56 pegasus should be able to live through lots of things, not just a horse with wings 14:57 swallowed by a silver dragon or something 14:57 rip in peace sweat prince 14:57 <@Pacra> rip 14:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo5 (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1032 14:58 mine was a stoner - first encounter with a chickatrice = pegasus statue 14:58 me sad 14:58 aw :( 14:58 <@microlance> anyway to turn of that thing that makes it so you cant let monsters hit you by waiting? 14:58 I ws a valk, no stone to flesh or anything 14:59 thems the breaks 14:59 * aosdict wants to turn stone to flesh into a wand 14:59 <@Pacra> @microlance did you accidentally step on a cockatrice corpse last game 14:59 at least there's a guaranteed boh there now 14:59 ooops. someone found my bones file. 14:59 amateurwhinginghour, yes, that's true, that's something 14:59 there's a guaranteed boh in ice quest? 15:00 <@microlance> no i picked up the corpse for safety, but i was not wearing my gop because i was in sokoban 15:00 <@microlance> and i forgot 15:00 so I don't need to spend a wish on one? yay! 15:00 oh yeah something else - kathryn wont cast fire spells either 15:00 so nyah 15:00 aosdict: new develpment, breaking news 15:00 shadowcat: your double bones 15:00 why are mummies so hard? 15:00 sorry joes... 15:00 they've been doused in plaster of paris? 15:01 well then why do the giants have fire wands ? 15:01 they are arseholes 15:01 it makes sense that the fire giants have fire wands 15:01 frost giants! 15:01 shadowcat: I only killed your ghost 15:01 FROST GIANTS 15:01 oh it was a fire giant? i haven't even looked at the dumplog 15:01 no 15:01 K2: Abominable Snowman can't be drowned anymore? Did tou learn that from my game? ;-) 15:02 there are no fire giants in the Realm of the Ice Queen 15:02 it was a frost giant 15:02 *you 15:02 with a wand of fire 15:02 mobileuser: or mine :D 15:02 total bs. I changed my mind 15:02 ah! ;-) 15:02 the wand a giant can spawn with, its random 15:02 i know. just bustin 15:03 * K2 changes all wands of fire in the ice realm to death/poly/cancellation 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 808 points, T:1823, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping off a magical draught 15:03 haha 15:03 nooooo 15:03 :P 15:03 K2: you very nice guy... I mean BASTARD!!!!! 15:03 lol 15:03 I have my amulet of flying ready... 15:03 well that does it. i have to go to my safe space now 15:03 lol 15:03 * elenmirie hands K2 his blankey 15:04 hahah 15:04 ok back in a bit, time to decorate the cake 15:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:04 -!- joes has left #hardfought 15:07 aosdict I know you mentioned there's no code for drowning because of fumbling, but what happens if you can't move for 2 turns 15:07 (brb) 15:07 amateurhour: then you die, because you're paralyzed. 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:328 15:07 "can't move" is pretty much the same thing as "paralyzed". 15:08 but the code for slipping on ice doesn't do that 15:08 it just gives you intrinsic fumbling with a timeout of 1 15:09 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:10 the first and only time I was in the Realm of the Ice Queen, slipping on ice was not a problem, but monsters with wands of fire definitely were 15:10 I had water walking boots so I did not die 15:11 also, I offed the Abominable Snowman with my own wand of fire, which I understand has now been disallowed 15:11 I didn't even mean to, just thought, I bet he won't like fire very much 15:11 it killed him instantly 15:12 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 292 points, T:752, killed by a dwarf 15:13 aw, poor Curtis 15:13 magic whistle on DL1 w00t 15:13 pet dead in the next 100 turns, I'll warrant 15:14 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:17 nerf death 15:18 "You die... But you can avoid this death by buying an Amulet of Life Saving for US$ 5.99!" 15:19 oh i forgot, you can also wear white dragon scales/scale mail 15:19 you're freeze water under your feet 15:19 not sure if that will save you if ice under you changes into water 15:19 hmm 15:20 <{Demo}1> " You feel whispier!" hmmmmmm 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 57840 points, T:23429, killed by Juiblex 15:20 <@riker> with the funky space? 15:21 it seems like a lot of evilhack starts i either can't get past like 2 steps from the stairs in the mines because of water, OR i don't find an altar in the dungeon 15:22 <{Demo}1> the space is there cause there was another sentence before 15:22 if the mines are blocked you are kind of screwed because there's only so deep you can go without armor 15:22 <{Demo}1> im just quesitoning what it means 15:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 blue dragon scale mail", on T:3912 15:23 so you make a drink and hope to find a pickaxe in the dungeon before you die 15:23 oooo 4 gold pieces. that will help 15:23 that was the most annoying change in 3.60 15:24 those rivers in the mines, it sure does make things harder doesnt it 15:24 ... 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 35 points, T:207, killed by a black pudding 15:30 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 4765 points, T:4374, sent to the next life by a priest of Crom 15:30 yeah it makes it harder. But it sucks when the mines just aren't an option at all because of the rivers 15:30 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 you'll need to be a bit more resourceful then 15:32 its only not an option if you tell yourself it isnt 15:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo5 (Mon Eth Fem Neu) killed Kroo the Kobold King, on T:2433 15:33 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:33 well often by the time you find levitation or a digging tool, you're dead 15:33 going back to the wand of fire bit - monsters can sometimes spawn with a random offenseive item. wand of fire is one of 15 that the game chooses from 15:33 rebatela those arent the only 2 solutions 15:33 you know i wasn't complaining about that death, right? lol 15:33 i know 15:33 i dig evilhack. it's cuthroat. that's what turned me on to nethack in the first place 15:34 i'm still justifying my stance on not changing that bit 15:34 yeah i wouldn't either 15:34 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 413 points, T:423, killed by a critically injured thief's explosion 15:39 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 114 points, T:180, killed by a monster (water elemental) 15:40 confirmed, wearing WDSM you're safe if ice melts underfoot 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 201 points, T:950, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Grib 15:42 <{Demo}1> wow, random sting 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 44 points, T:269, killed by overexertion 15:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Cav Dwa Mal Law) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Orb of Detection", on T:19027 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:5073 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1151 15:49 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 156 points, T:905, killed by a system shock 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7075 points, T:5876, killed by a Mordor orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 649 points, T:1760, killed by a hill orc 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:443 15:55 -!- werekitten is now known as misha 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:60304 15:56 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 15:56 -!- theRaisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56 oink 15:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:53682 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53684 15:59 hah i am gonna tweak odds of a wand of fire in monsters inventory in the ice realm 16:00 this is gonna be good... 16:00 sounds evil 16:00 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 16:00 :) 16:01 :P 16:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03 <@luxidream> I think sheol places a wand of fire in its filler levels 16:05 <@Sig> > You feel well grounded Can't find this message on the wiki, what does it mean? 16:05 something with shock damage? 16:05 <@Sig> Golden naga hatchlings 16:06 debating 16:06 first impulse was high chance of wand of cancellation 16:06 playing around with it 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6635 16:08 <@riker> shock resistance sig 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:61232 16:09 <@riker> @Sig you got shock res from the hatchling, soon you'll get another one telling you it ran ojt 16:09 <@riker> out 16:09 didn't someone point out that being grounded makes you MORE susceptible to electricity attacks? 16:09 <@Sig> Right 16:09 <@riker> won't last long 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:1376 16:10 <@riker> aosdict: yeah probably it should be changed but I'm in no rush 16:10 <@Sig> That's a general question I've been meaning to ask, is it really important to get crowned in dnh? Since resistances don't stick? 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 630 points, T:1770, killed by a small mimic 16:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:12 <@riker> sig: it's almost always worth it 16:12 <@riker> prayer is 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:686 16:13 <@riker> my typing sucks today 16:13 <@riker> prayer isn't very useful late-game (and there's a very long late-game), and you'll want the resistances. in particular, the artifact can be nice (for a neu hum nob it's the crown of the saint king, arti golden band) 16:14 <@Sig> Right, that one seems useful. Unless it's opposite alignment, then it seems dangerous, lol. 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6960 16:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:20363 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1056 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1412 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 214 points, T:943, burned by a tower of flame 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 829 points, T:1908, killed by a rabid rat 16:20 420 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:555 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 227 points, T:585, killed by a gnome king 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 85 points, T:193, killed by a falling rock 16:23 rebatela: do you want a complimentary potion of hallucination 16:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo5 (Mon Eth Fem Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:5067 16:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:431 16:25 goddamnit 16:26 this balrog just won't get hit 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:14769 16:28 boom, dead balrog 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 361 points, T:1301, killed by a goblin 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 221 points, T:907, killed by a water demon 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:687 16:39 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1615 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 646 points, T:2050, killed by a sewer rat 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:54757 16:48 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 16:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:55 <{Demo}1> bleh, etherealoided out of an aols proc 16:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) was given Windrider, on T:25505 17:05 <@Sig> Unfortunately, I lost my horse right before Sokoban. (Gotta love magic traps) Fortunately, I found a horse in the Zoo in Sokoban. 17:05 <@Sig> Oh no the horse just died 17:05 10 seconds 17:05 a short story 17:05 For sale: Horse shoes. Never worn. 17:05 could be some sort of haiku 17:06 <@Sig> Lol 17:07 Unfortunately I lost my horse. Fortunately, I found a horse in Sokobon. Oh no, the horse died. 17:07 <@riker> "my horse has fallen" "reunited once again" "alas, rip my horse" 17:07 idk how sillables work in english 17:07 in german they make sense 17:09 does 'unfortunately' have 6 syllables? 17:09 or 4? 17:09 or what 17:09 <@Sig> 5. Un-for-tu-nate-ly 17:09 why not un-for-tu-na-te-ly 17:10 (that would be the german way) 17:10 oh hm 17:10 <@Sig> 'nate' is all pronounced as one syllable. It makes more sense when you say it out loud 17:10 its not 'nateelee' 17:11 how about queue, is that 1? 17:11 <@luxidream> Q 17:11 stenno for some words it also depends on the english dialect :-) 17:12 tomatoes is 3 or 4? 17:12 bleh 17:12 <@Sig> That's also true. 17:12 3 17:12 <@Sig> 3, at least when I say it 17:12 so, 'horse' is 1 ? 17:12 yes 17:12 gotcha 17:12 thanks ppl 17:12 <@Sig> Yup 17:13 it would be simpler if English was written with syllabic pictograms 17:13 like japanese 17:13 japanese syllables are simple to discern from the latinized form, though? right? 17:13 at least hiragana/katakana 17:14 <{Demo}1> deciphering is 1 syllabe 17:14 <@Sig> Is there any way to tame a unicorn without Tame Monster? It's off-color if that changes things. 17:15 <{Demo}1> 0:1 WoW :/ 17:16 well you cannot throw food at it 17:16 <@riker> sig: peaceful with throwing gems? 17:17 <@Sig> I'm mostly looking for a third horse. 17:18 why do you need a horse so much 17:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6147 17:19 <@riker> stenno: he's trying to ride 17:19 yes, but why 17:20 there is not really much gain from it 17:20 <@Sig> Higher carrying capacity, very fast pet 17:20 and it will just die shortly afterwards anyway 17:20 <@Sig> I wouldn't like wish for a blessed warhorse figure or anything but having one around has been helpful in the past 17:20 fair 17:21 walking into magic traps with the monster adjacent might sometimes tame it 17:21 can't think of much else 17:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:22 <@Sig> Then I won't bother. I was just hoping there was an easy way. 17:22 <@riker> sig if you wish one i still recommend a giant eagle - very fast, good resistances, great base level (25). combat is 4d4 x3 17:23 <@riker> should be able to give it sdsm and an amulet of null magic if you care enough 17:23 <@riker> otherwise berith works for riding 17:23 <@Sig> Yeah, I think I'll do that if I get to wishes and still think riding is smart. Might just go for a Deva by then, though. 17:23 <@Sig> I burned your haiku into the floor as a headstone for Sunshine 2, btw. 17:24 <@riker> <3 17:24 !tell NCommander you know why I'm pinging you again, right? new update to the slex LP :) enjoy! 17:24 NCommander shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 17:24 <@riker> link amy? 17:24 @riker: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lets-play-slashem-extended-a-nethack-fork.723346/page-51#post-23210327 17:24 <@riker> thank 17:25 Uhm... K2? 17:26 <@riker> what did you do mobileuser 17:26 The ice crackles and melts. You drown the Abominable Snowman. 17:27 <@riker> i think the fix isn't pushed yet 17:27 Aha! 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:45563 17:27 Perhaps the last time then that the poor snowman drowns :-) 17:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:45 aosdict: the fumble does mean you drown if I'm reading the code right 17:48 which fwiw doesn't sound like a bug to me anyway, even if it is slightly evil 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:55246 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:55247 17:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:54 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Arc Hum Mal Law), 332 points, T:848, killed by a homunculus 18:01 <@Sig> Grimtooth is great but seeing 9 Mordor Orcs spawn at the upstair is so intimidating 18:01 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 4452 points, T:1959, killed by a jet of boiling water 18:01 <@Sig> Like I'd rather just not know what I'm running from 18:02 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Wal Mag Mal Neu), 56000 points, T:9, escaped 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28055 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28057 18:03 You can funnel them into the halls and dispatch them one at a time 18:03 If they have arrows odds are they might do 1/4 of the job for you 18:03 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 18:03 <@Sig> Lol 18:04 <@Sig> I was in Sokoban so I just sprinted out 18:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] BLARGO (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "The orb of fate", on T:19255 18:19 <@Sig> Is a +0 Silver Saber better than a +2 Rapier? 18:20 Gonna need context to answer that 18:20 <@Sig> > There is a footprint burned into the floor here What 18:20 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 211 points, T:199, killed by a cannonball 18:23 man this game is going rather well, two magic lamps, 7 ac reduction from protection, silver dragon pet 18:23 speed boots and boh as well 18:23 just got to minetown 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:56808 18:25 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 219 points, T:47, killed by a falling rock 18:26 Revenge is mine 18:27 gratz!! didn't notice you'd done it 18:27 thx :-) 18:27 vorpal blade helped 18:28 amateurhour: explain how you see the fumble making you drown 18:28 good night all 18:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:28 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 92 points, T:49, killed by an unrefrigerated sip of juice 18:28 sure, check src/timeout.c about line 707 or so 18:29 upon a move, when you fumble set multi to -2 18:29 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 37 points, T:17, killed by contaminated water 18:29 then check src/trap.c about line 3836 or so, if (multi < 0) then goodbye ur ded 18:30 so you're in the middle of a multi-action stumble when you slip 18:30 the troll then zaps fire and you're above water 18:31 <@riker> sig: meh, it doesn't really matter. check the damage - I'd keep the rapier for the to-hit and damage but they both will fall off quickly 18:32 <@riker> and the footprint means that Center of All spawned. he'll be peaceful until you hit the "sum of all" level (last lvl of the neu quest) 18:32 <@riker> while peaceful he'll levelport around 18:33 amateurhour: I see now. so it isn't necessarily due to ice-based slipping, you could do it with fumble boots (but still while standing on top of ice); the reason I was unable to reproduce it is because nothing zapped fire at me immediately after I fell 18:33 <@microlance> this must be a rare occurrence 4 altars on the same floor and 3 of them all alignments in the same little room 18:33 <@microlance> https://imgur.com/a/bA0E233 18:33 yeah I think that's it 18:33 it's interesting that you have to be moving to have the slip do that 18:34 which also makes sense I guess 18:34 TDTTOE 18:34 microlance, is that vanilla? 18:35 it must be gnollhack, they hand out altars like candy there 18:35 <@microlance> yep 18:35 <@microlance> its the newest version 18:35 Must be one of the new themed rooms. 18:35 aosdict: it's to make up for the fact there's no high altars :^)\ 18:35 @microlance I think it must be a theme room; normally a room gets up to one altar. 18:36 Yes, "temple of the gods" room 18:36 <@microlance> yeah probably i have noticed some new types of rooms, obviously hand made 18:36 That's the DCSS "vaults" 18:38 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 48 points, T:5, killed by a monster (garden snake) 18:43 it's a special room in some variants 18:43 a room with altars of all 3 alignment... a multifaith chapel 18:43 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 276 points, T:176, killed by a monster (weaselly campaign) 18:44 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 14601 points, T:4, killed by a monster (forgotten plant) 18:45 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:611 18:51 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Sha Tra Fem Cha) averted death, on T:773 18:51 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Sha Tra Fem Cha), 12103 points, T:773, killed by a bullet 18:51 <@Sig> @riker Sounds terrifying. I'm trying to get the Lordstick but Mother Earth and Father RNG That Decides When Corpses Drop are being unusually stingy, I'm mostly just deciding which one to use in the interim. 18:52 <@riker> lol 18:52 <@riker> rapier and grind asap 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:631 18:52 <@Sig> Got it 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Smut, her faithful kitten, on T:899 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 206 points, T:899, killed by a gas spore's explosion 18:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:963 18:58 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 159 points, T:79, killed by a monster (resurrected plant) 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 1645 points, T:1437, killed by an orcish arrow 19:02 <@Sig> I like when it tells me my movement is unencumbered after a sacrifice, as if that was my reward. 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law), 620 points, T:1459, killed by a giant spider 19:05 <@riker> sig: piety is its own reward 19:05 <@Sig> Lol 19:07 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 919 points, T:673, killed by a monster (forgotten plant) 19:09 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 44 points, T:221, killed by life drainage 19:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:9139 19:10 <@Sig> GOD BLESS 19:10 <@Sig> I have to go back to Sokoban to get more food now but we did finally get there. 19:10 <@riker> congrats lol 19:11 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 14 points, T:73, killed by a monster (tribble) 19:12 <@riker> you can always keep going for more artifacts you know :) 19:18 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 235 points, T:1040, killed by an orcish spear 19:21 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 10 points, T:38, killed by touching an artifact (The Sword of Bheleu) 19:23 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 106 points, T:40, killed by a monster (dbl claw hulk) 19:24 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 33 points, T:3, caught herself in her own fireball 19:24 <@Sig> I think I'm good for now, lol 19:25 <@Sig> Dug a little deeper below Sokoban and found, in order, a floor with a chaotic altar, a floor with a neutral temple, a floor with a chaotic altar. 19:25 <@Sig> I'm religion-flooded this run 19:25 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 0 points, T:17, killed by a monster (apprentice roll wall) 19:27 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 39 points, T:81, killed by a monster (house golem) 19:28 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 6 points, T:4, zapped herself with a wand 19:29 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:30 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 19:34 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Neu), 286 points, T:246, killed by a monster (sub-gnome) 19:35 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:60018 19:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:46118 19:50 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 3827 points, T:501, killed by a bardiche 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:62261 19:55 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu) wished for "Significant RNG Jitter", on T:21 19:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:10649 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:300 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Neu), 132 points, T:371, killed by a crossbow bolt 20:03 <@Sig> Is there another bag besides tricks and holding? I just bought one (normal bag, not a slippery one) for 133 or so, but putting stuff in it isn't making me unburdened. 20:03 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:41386 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:270 20:04 There's just plain bags 20:04 :B 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 172 points, T:371, killed by a boulder 20:09 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 563 points, T:448, killed by an arrow 20:09 <@Sig> As funny as it would be to get scammed that hard, I've got another bag I stole a while back that costs 2 bucks, and when I named the 133 bag it's name didn't change 20:10 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver spear", on T:41536 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:481 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 95 points, T:487, killed by a small mimic 20:14 <@subwayfares> probably an oilskin sack then? at least in vanilla, idk about variants 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:763 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1364 20:17 <@Sig> I thought those appeared as something else 20:18 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 889 points, T:236, killed by a spear 20:19 <@Sig> Oh, they don't, but I dipped it into a fountain and it didn't produce the right message. 20:19 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 34 points, T:50, killed by a monster (great spider) 20:19 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19 <@Sig> @riker Is this a dnh specific bag or am I just carrying too much crap? 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1618 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1641 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63697 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63707 20:22 Oilskin sacks are not slippery. That's what you've probably got. Sig 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:63864 20:23 <@Sig> I dipped it into the fountain and it just says the bag got wet 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1458 points, T:2340, killed by a lynx 20:29 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Cha), 196 points, T:197, killed by a monster (invisible Mr. Lerignac, the shopkeeper) 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:64072 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:64073 20:32 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 20:34 lol, 2 wishes from the same throne 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:804 20:38 <@Suzune Takada> I think gungnir and excalibur are just enough for spl valkyrie 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 102 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:61565 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of gain energy", on T:65345 20:39 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 150 points, T:185, killed by a monster (redguard) 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:65357 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 478 points, T:1614, killed by a sewer rat 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:65633 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:65633 20:47 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Mal Cha), 178 points, T:179, killed by a monster (Keystone Officer) 20:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 297 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:62273 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:65786 20:50 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 260 points, T:951, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 20:53 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 635 points, T:229, killed by a monster (rock gnome) 20:54 <@riker> @Sig oilskin? 20:54 <@riker> they're not slippery 20:54 <@riker> lol 20:54 <@riker> they're just 100 zm bags like holding 20:54 <@riker> is that a 3.6. thing, to call them "slippery"? 20:54 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Cha), 26 points, T:26, killed by a system shock 20:55 <@Sig> Yeah, I had that wrong (I think I was thinking of the cloak) but when I dipped it into the fountain it didn't say the water slid off. 20:55 <@Sig> Hold on, there's another fountain nearby 20:55 <@riker> that's a 3.6 thing too I think 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:65886 20:56 <@Suzune Takada> wow 20:56 <@riker> yep, that's a 3.6 change says my local variant collection - xnh/spl/vanlla/evil/gnoll have it, grunt/dnh/un/slex do not 20:56 <@Suzune Takada> finally unicorn horn nerf into vanilla 20:56 <@riker> the "slides right off" 20:56 <@Suzune Takada> already many variants applied it, but I didn't think it also changed in vanilla 20:57 <@Sig> Ah, that explains everything 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:65896 20:57 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Met Fem Neu), 230 points, T:55, killed by a flint stone 20:57 <@riker> suzune: which nerf, not restoring lost attributes? 20:57 <@Suzune Takada> yes 20:58 need to catch up on sleep. nite all 20:58 Cue manufactured outrage because you have a reason to pay attention to restore ability again 20:58 Night K2 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:45960 20:59 <@Suzune Takada> after that, potion of restore ability is much more important item 20:59 @riker oilskin bags are not described as slippery in vanilla 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3226 21:00 <@riker> aos: no, but the message from "the water slides right your bag" -> makeknown(OILSKIN_SACK) is a 3.6 thing 21:00 * aosdict takes credit for that idea ^ 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 1421 points, T:3358, killed by a giant ant 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 3175004 points, T:65927, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Urc/nethack/dumplog/1586789827.nh.html 21:02 <@riker> aos: ah, is that your change? neat 21:02 I didn't implement it 21:03 ais523 popped in one time and said "someone give me a quick, easy, and non-controversial idea" 21:03 grabbed one off the archive, and boom 21:05 GG Urc! 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:363 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:509 21:07 <@Suzune Takada> congrats 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:49009 21:22 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:717 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:46839 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3194 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had a large shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:26389 21:33 bah 21:33 demonbane or bust 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2390 21:35 Odin doesn't appear to know that a large shield will prevent me from casting basically anything 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2662 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 1636 points, T:2686, killed by a gnome 21:46 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:47 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:992 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:1435 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Odin, on T:26790 22:07 good job odin. you got the object type right this time. next time name it Demonbane for me okay? 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 1274 points, T:2350, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted housecat 22:11 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43683 22:13 molten lava on level 2 of nh370? *blink* 22:13 <@Suzune Takada> 3.7.0 boh exploding behavior is like unh? 22:14 I dunno if this exists already but YANI: if a monster is fleeing, it prioritizes ACTUAL FLEEING over picking up and equipping items if it thinks you are nearby. 22:14 shadowcat: it's a theme room 22:16 <@Suzune Takada> ah 22:16 <@Suzune Takada> I heard 3.7.0 added some themed rooms 22:16 <@ChrisANG> I really need to raid vanilla, don't I? 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1526 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1628 22:22 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:62693 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 822 points, T:2803, killed by a guard 22:28 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:43991 22:28 Theme rooms are a thing, yes 22:28 Plus BoHsplosions are no longer instant GGs on the same scale 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:572 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 160 points, T:586, killed by a small mimic 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64157 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:64160 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:920 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 371 points, T:1288, killed by a jackal 22:38 [hdf-us] [spl] arnibald (Pir Inf Mal Cha) killed Mephisto, on T:63101 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 149 points, T:491, killed by a wand 22:42 <@Sig> Does the Circle of Acheron just ward against Z or any zombie? 22:45 wow. two altars in the same room. 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:789 22:48 a total of three altars on one level - two to the same god (not mine. :P) 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:41834 22:50 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:24464 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:65248 22:50 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Vam Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24478 22:51 <@ChrisANG> @Sig Any undead, and also Cerberus. 22:51 <@Sig> Cool, thanks 22:52 <@Sig> It's cannibalism for a human to eat an Uruk-hai? I don't remember Lord of the Rings very well but that makes way less sense than hobbits to me. 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2441 22:55 <@ChrisANG> Uruk-hai are orc/human hybrids, or at least that's my read of it. I forget how much textual support there is for that. 22:56 <@ChrisANG> But there are apparently explicit half-orcs in Saruman's army, and it would explain why they are larger and stronger and don't fear the Sun. 22:56 <@Sig> Ah, that'd be something I'd forgot. 22:59 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 853 points, T:1447, killed by a giant ant 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4059 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4490 23:08 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) genocided mind flayers locally on T:45244 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4613 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4652 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:214 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 576 points, T:249, killed by a gnome 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:570 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 4530 points, T:5272, killed by a fire ant 23:19 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 23:24 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31 <@Sig> @riker If you're still around, I have a ring of fire res, what should I do to sneak past Persephone and crew? Or can I take them? 23:31 <@Sig> I guess I really don't need the holy water right now but since I'm here it seems wise to go hunt it down. 23:40 Thoughts on allowing cancelling a spell at the direction prompt? 23:40 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 23:43 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:5772 23:43 <@riker> if you take some and can't bag it, leave at least 1 sig 23:43 <@riker> otherwise, make sure your hp is up to scratch / damage can deal with a stray horned devil 23:44 <@riker> @Sig 23:45 <@Sig> If I take everything and throw them in a bag I'll be safe? 23:47 <@riker> sig: as long as they're in a bag so they don't get boiled/frozen from a random wand/etc. 23:47 <@riker> I always try to save at least 1 holy water 23:49 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 7427 points, T:6470, done in by a giant mimic 23:50 <@Sig> Oh, that's what you meant. Yeah I'll bag em 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:717 23:54 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Red Fem Cha), 9742 points, T:2965, killed by reverting to unhealthy redguardian form 23:58 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Vam Fem Cha) was granted the title of "Pirate King" by the storm, on T:26149 23:58 <@Sig> How hard is Vlad?