00:05 monkaS 00:07 <@luxidream> uh 00:08 <@luxidream> !whereis microlance 00:08 @luxidream: [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370]: (Pri Elf Fem Cha) T:61597 The Elemental Planes level: -3 (with Amulet) 00:09 <@microlance> shouldnt have been lvl 22 00:09 <@luxidream> archonstorm? 00:09 <@microlance> i should have thrown stormbringer at myself 00:09 <@microlance> yea 00:10 <@luxidream> !lastgame 00:10 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SuzuneTakada/splicehack/dumplog/1586144372.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1586025430.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1586098845.dnh.txt 00:10 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Wer Fem Cha), 9053 points, T:8306, dismembered by an air elemental 00:10 <@luxidream> oh damn 00:10 <@luxidream> where was the portal 00:11 <@microlance> dunno misclicked when i should have done the confusion and gold detection 00:11 <@microlance> and then this started to happen 00:12 <@microlance> i had only one scroll left though and no water so i was running around and trying manually to find it first to save my last scroll for the next one 00:14 <@luxidream> I see 00:14 F 00:17 No 00:17 NONONO 00:17 WHAT THE FUCK 00:18 oh my god, an actual archonstorm + the Wizard himself 00:23 !who 00:23 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] bouquet [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] 00:42 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Vam Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3662 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:341 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1544 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1388 points, T:1885, killed by a gnome king 00:51 <@luxidream> have the new 3.7 changes been pulled yet? 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:625 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1635 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc mummy, on T:9305 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3059 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3683 01:02 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Vam Fem Cha), 8579 points, T:7314, slaughtered by an invisible green mold warrior 01:04 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:04 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7246 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:9403 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:10721 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11528 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:12349 01:32 <@Sig> K2, I'm gonna give evil a shot. Anything I should know in advance or is it better to go in blind? 01:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:15325 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby white dragon, on T:15484 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Sig (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 74 points, T:244, burned by molten lava 01:38 <@Sig> That wasn't even an evil death I just didn't know what lava looked like in ASCII 01:45 Imagine that in-universe 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:16206 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "uncursed marker", on T:16766 01:52 <@Sig> Lol 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:16919 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:17298 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "ring of conflict", on T:18014 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:18524 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18525 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18821 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy spellbook of magic mapping", on T:18828 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:20919 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:20936 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:21200 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21509 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21511 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:21888 02:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:22679 02:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:22685 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:22761 02:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:22959 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:22961 02:32 <@Sig> Seeing how fast people do Gehennom is a trip. It always takes me forever to dig all the correct passageways. 02:33 Luxidream, you're taking FOREVER. Are you searching for gems or something? 02:33 j/k ;) 02:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:25010 02:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:25165 02:37 >no sub-25k planes 02:37 smh my head 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:25441 02:38 <@Sig> Geez, that was 3 minutes 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:25451 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:25512 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "the helm of opposite alignment", on T:25526 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:25529 02:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Law), 443269 points, T:25529, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1586148673.nh.html 02:40 swoosh 02:40 GG 02:40 <@Sig> GG Luxidream 02:40 <@luxidream> thanks 02:40 That'll be an interesting conversation at the demigod bar though 02:41 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 02:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 02:41 chatting about how you used to be a wild and chaotic sob back in your day, meanwhile Stormbringer's in your pack seething that you completely bamboozled it 02:44 1:41:44 with a priest, very impressive Luxidream 02:44 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:45 <@luxidream> thank you 02:45 <@luxidream> not my best but still pretty good 02:45 Temple of Nalzok alone takes me ages :-) 02:45 <@luxidream> it takes an hour if you open every chest, lol 02:46 I suppose you just leave the chests and go straight for the mad priest :-) 02:47 <@luxidream> I didn't see him this time, he must have gotten caught up in the crowd 02:47 lol 02:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:06 <@luxidream> !who 03:06 @luxidream: [hdf-us] SuzuneTakada [slshm] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 03:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] SuzuneTakada (Bar Dop Fem Cha), 2910 points, T:2204, killed by a baby red dragon 03:20 grats luxi 03:22 Sig, I also take a long time digging paths. I don't even give it thought I just enchant pickaxe to +7 (assuming I don't still have weaponless conduct going) and go to town 03:23 my turn counts are usually around 40, but it's never really something i cared about 03:23 My evilhack game is 90k plus turns so monster generation is 8.0x lol 03:27 rebatela, I asked about monster generation and it is based on events in the game, not on turncount. 03:28 so in the end everyone has 8.0x no matter how fast or slow you are 03:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 788 points, T:1196, killed by a kobold lord 03:41 -!- Chris__ has joined #hardfought 03:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__] by ChanServ 03:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Mal Cha), 777028 points, T:55396, shot himself with a death ray 03:43 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:59 that's news to me. I am playing an old version, btw I started this game a long time ago 04:01 Ah, which version are you on? 04:01 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:02 0.4.2 04:02 the wishing rules were a little more player-friendly when I started this game... 04:02 I have both eyes and PYEC 04:03 same version I am playing. 04:03 I asked about turncount and monster generation because I take lots of turns and was getting worried :-) 04:21 well something definitely changes at 60k turns 04:21 and then I believe it just keeps going up from there 04:21 no, that was in older versions 04:21 oh ok 04:21 I specifically asked when I got near 60k for that reason :-) 04:21 ahhh that's right i remember reading him saying that it's scaled now or something ? 04:22 based on events now 04:22 i would love a link to something about the changes if you have? 04:22 Just the changelog: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.txt 04:22 k2 has given me the link a million times but i can't find it 04:22 thank you : ) 04:23 cheers! but it doesn't tell you everything so I still ask lots of questions :-) 04:24 same haha 04:24 do i still need to wear magical breathing as a monk on water plane? 04:25 I was planning to fly through the planes and then switch to life saving on astral 04:25 i meant as a GIANT 04:25 not as a monk 04:25 (although I am a monk) 04:28 well I was scared of water elementals but I wasn't a giant, so I wore magical breathing on the water plane 04:28 but you won't have that problem? 04:29 yes, the farthest I've gotten in EH is I did the other 3 planes and then got strangled to death on water (but I was human) 04:29 really want to join the club ;) 04:29 also I genocided kraken and electric eel 04:29 yes I have blessed genocide scrolls for the ;s 04:30 (i have the amulet) 04:30 and greased my cloak, but a giant can't wear that? 04:30 just messing around, trying to build up courage to go up 04:30 heh. yeah, no cloaks 04:30 or body armor 04:30 but i'm about to have -48AC and MC3 04:31 YANI: giants should be able to grease their bodies 04:31 not bad lol 04:31 i have all these staffs that allow me to spellcast as if I'm not a giant 04:31 it drops the fail rate by 50% 04:31 so i can cast polymorph and such 04:32 overprepared :-) 04:32 i should learn finger of death actually 04:32 oh i know i am... no shame 04:32 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:32 hehe 04:33 can monsters drag you into the water when you are a giant? 04:33 i asked that last night and k2 said yes 04:33 darn 04:33 does magical breathing help there? 04:33 absolutely 04:33 oh ok so i'll definitely use it. THANKS 04:33 Giants can't be engulfed though 04:34 that's how i died last time on water 04:34 do you have an oilskin sack? 04:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:34 i'm sure I do 04:34 or I can poly for one 04:34 I own this dungeon... 04:34 Except Rodney keeps coming back... He's stolen the amulet a couple times 04:34 and PYEC 04:35 PYEC really sucked because now he had MR (no death magic can kill him) 04:35 but i meleed him.. Giant Monk martial arts at grand master is something else... 04:35 you can grease your BoH but if you get dragged in water an oilskin sack is safer to protect your scrolls and potions 04:35 but you know all that :-) 04:36 i thought you died if you got dragged in water... I always geno those ;'s. probably takes 2 or 3 blessed scrolls in eh 04:36 magical breathing keeps you alive 04:36 i see 04:36 that's right... some people just walk through the water to portal ? 04:36 i always stay in the bubbles 04:37 so i put scrolls and potions etc. in oilskin and wear magical breathing i can just walk ? 04:37 yup 04:37 my gear is all dragonhide. gear lol giants only get 3 slots 04:38 eota is clutch right now because I can cast magic missile... does crazy dmg at lvl 30 04:38 especially if you bounce it right 04:51 i wish i knew how long this reflection spell lasts... It stacks, but it seems to wear off quicker than haste self does, and there's a spoiler at least for haste that gives the turns it lasts dpeneding on skill 04:51 going to ascend today rebatela ? 05:06 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 6668 points, T:4616, died of starvation 05:17 ascend probably not. But I'm likely going to try lol 05:17 go to -48ac just now. I think that's as high as I can get other than prayer 05:18 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:18 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:18 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:18 I guess I could poly more rings and explode a bunch of rings trying to get to +7? ( I have +6 ring of protection currently) 05:20 K2: congrats to the EH release 05:25 the thing that sucks is i started this game so long ago, and I had notes but I can't find 05:26 can someone plz show me again where our rc files are kept. hotraxxa suggested I look at his for a couple of things. thanks! 05:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1074 points, T:1625, killed by a dwarf zombie 05:28 rebatela: try https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/userdata/ ;) 05:46 https://www.dropbox.com/s/78figgmrlmhq6n9/annotation%202020-04-06%20194544.png?raw=1 05:46 Is Baalzebub's lair supposed to look like this? 05:47 he's the lord of the flies and that structure does look a bit like a fly ;) 05:49 Baalzebub is dumb 05:49 He keeps zapping himself with a wand of teleportation, only to teleport right back and repeat 05:50 he can self-zap tele on a no-tele level now??? 05:51 Apparently, though it wasn't a no-teleport level. 05:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:6038 06:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:94802 06:14 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 06:15 So there was a cockatrice stuck behind Vlad. 06:15 hmmm now i can wish for grayswandir and can train saber? 06:15 Indeed~ 06:15 I only have like 12 artifacts 06:15 Unfortunately I don't think a cockatrice is capable of hitting him 06:15 but I think this game was started when the wishing rules were different 06:17 Your silver dagger sears Vlad the Impaler's flesh! You hear a chugging sound. Something speaks. 'It is about time.' 06:19 is there a link to what's new in 3.70? I kinda took a hiatus from playing... The obvious things I've noticed is the promting to unlock when you have unlocking device, and the applying of spellbooks to judge freshness 06:22 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/doc/fixes37.0 06:31 thanks mobile ! 06:32 Now I just need to find where I stashed the amulet.... 06:32 i know it's under a boulder 06:33 Also trying to decide how many boulders to bring with me... I know the riders just go over them or whatever, but I can still see them being pretty useful 06:33 why on earth didn't i annotate it ? 06:44 damn.. I screwed up. forgot to push boulder over my stash on DL 1. all my digging wands and full healings got snatched 06:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8569 06:48 -!- murphy_ has joined #hardfought 06:53 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 348 points, T:489, killed by an orcish spear 06:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:05 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 189 points, T:718, taken down by a dwarf 07:08 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Fem Cha), 238 points, T:695, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 07:23 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Fem Cha), 2914 points, T:3259, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 07:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:827 07:29 if a monster stumbles across, say 10 full healing potions, will they continue to drink them to increased max hp? Or stop when they are fully healed and hold onto them? 07:30 i don't think monster drinking full healing will increase their maxhp 07:32 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Orc Fem Cha), 106 points, T:259, killed by a fox 07:35 so there should be a monster with my potions and digging wands? I had them under a boulder on DL1 but forgot to push the boulder over... like 10 FH and a dozen digging wands, lembas wafers etc 07:35 ascension stuff i didn't want to lug around 07:38 trying to decide if it's best to use a gain level to alchemize xtra healing to fh or bless them and gain level/get some hitpoints AND the PW ? 07:38 yeah that kind of monster item use is just boring 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1551 07:39 you're definitely much more patient at playing than I am lol, I'd have just yolo'd and gone to the planes 07:39 punishing players for forgetting to push the boulder, lock the chest, etc isn't really fun to me 07:39 jilles: so what do you think happened? they just drank 10 potions? 07:39 I think monsters shouldn't use items you have touched 07:39 amateurhour: I'm having such a good game. I'm not normally this patient. But i didn't play nethack for a month or two. SO rusty 07:40 (items you have seen, that seems really nethackish, so that's fine) 07:40 well 2 of the 4 times i've made it to castle they get the wand before me and empty it out... last time a castle captain or whatever wished up a figurine of an archon 07:40 I had to avoid the castle for most of the game until I could handle it 07:40 like you see a wand lying on the floor and you have to race to grab it before a monster 07:40 still can't believe i got out of it 07:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] SuzuneTakada (Nec Dop Fem Cha), 498 points, T:1267, killed by a kitten 07:41 yeah in the castle you hear something rumaging through a chest... 07:41 then you get to the wand and it's 0:0 07:41 but the archon thing was too much for me 07:41 I was so mad 07:42 but I hate EOTA so i just took wraiths back to soko and leveld up and eventually i could fight the archon. But it sucks in the castle, no teleport etc 07:42 had* 07:42 not hate 07:42 i freaking love eota 07:43 amateurhour: have you ascended evil yet? 07:43 i don't even mind fighting dark one for it (eota) 07:43 I have both eyes and pyec in this game 07:43 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 07:44 i'm not trying to brag. Y'all are about to watch me splat 07:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:9150 07:45 jilles: any astral tips for a giant monk? I've been told to not melee death? 07:45 Isn't the castle chest locked? 07:45 yes, but if they have a key it's game over 07:45 Where would they get a key? 07:46 captains or seargents or something have them 07:46 rebatela, use taming and wands of teleportation 07:46 I have magic harp 07:46 mm 07:46 and a bunch of teleport wands 0:1 07:46 and lots of cursed genocide and taming scrolls 07:46 I'm thining black rain 07:46 thinking* 07:46 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:47 if you haven't genocided liches, confused taming is good after summon nasties is cast 07:47 i am also using magic for haste and reflection, so I can put on lifesaving in astral (of which i have many) 07:47 liches are gone 07:47 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 07:47 taming isn't useful against most other monsters on Astral 07:48 you'll have to reverse genocide then 07:48 also 07:48 there are some places on the level that you should pass quickly 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2542 07:49 yes I plan to reverse genocide > tame 07:49 monster pathfinding is very dumb, which will allow you to avoid being chased by multiple Riders at a time 07:49 but there are some locations where multiple Riders can find you 07:49 but with black dragons instead of purple worms and then break speed monster wand, then break teleport wand 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1547 points, T:2565, killed by a giant beetle 07:49 magic harp is at 15 07:50 tons of taming scrolls, can cast charm 07:50 i can cast everything (even as a giant) becuse I have those staffs. and helm of brilliance 07:50 if you have many 0:1 teleport wands, I suggest charging some 07:50 i plan to use magic missile a lot 07:50 zapping them is useful, too 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 105 points, T:466, killed by a water elemental 07:50 oh i have plenty with lots of charges as well 07:50 i was just saying i have a bunch to break 07:51 854hp -48AC MC3 07:51 Why's there an extra comma in that message? 07:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:187 07:51 i've never been able to wear life saving (or i've just never done it) in vanilla or eh 07:52 I kinda want to chase this monster down that has all my digging wands and FH's and food. WOuld it just consume them all? 07:52 You'd have to kill it damn fast before it could get a chance to use either 07:53 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:53 oh i can kill things very fast 07:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:53 stash was on DL1 though. He should be able to find. I'm just wondering if it would just drink 10 Full healings ? and eat all the lembas wafers and zap all the wands? 07:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:531 07:56 it'd have to get multiple turns to do so 07:56 before even considering whether of not it actually could 07:56 exactly 07:56 that's my thinking 07:56 like a "do you wanna find out?" kinda deal 07:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:960 07:58 they left 6 blessed potions of monster detection, 9 holy waters, and a camera 07:58 took a bunch of digging wands and all the FH 07:58 if only the camera did enough to matter 07:58 wouldn't stop item usage probably 07:58 i've scared pestilence with it 07:59 probably saved my game 08:00 morning 08:00 stenno thanks 08:00 hi 08:00 Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #hardfought 08:00 morning! 08:01 that's actually awesome 08:01 but here idk if it'd save this one 08:01 at least not in the way I'm hoping 08:03 Morning K2 if you have a moment, my evilhack 0.4.2 won't load anymore 08:04 And congrats on the 0.5 release of course :-) 08:04 thanks mobileuser 08:04 what message are you getting? 08:05 it is asking to start a new game 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1470 08:05 I haven't been disconnected 08:05 did you die? 08:06 I'm being choked by a water elemental and I urgently need to zap teleport :-) 08:06 No didn't die 08:06 (yet) 08:06 eu server right? 08:06 yes 08:07 dgl congih looks right... 08:07 config 08:07 ok one sec 08:08 did you disconnect a little while ago? 08:08 i see your game files, like you need a recover 08:08 I did not disconnect while playing 08:08 exit out of dgl please if you havent already 08:08 logged out now 08:09 ok try again 08:09 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) made their first wish - "+3 blessed silver dragon scale mail", on T:2530 08:09 Thanks, I am back a few turns in the game 08:10 I am sure the teleport would have saved me, ahem 08:12 heh 08:13 I was phasing and levitating when inside the water elemental if that is any good to know 08:14 can you phase out of an engulfing monster? 08:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 724 points, T:1349, killed by an orcish arrow 08:15 stenno thats a good question 08:15 you'd think so... 08:16 mmm what would happen if you use the explicit move command when phasing and engulfed 08:19 so phasing is for walls and terrain only it seems 08:20 i can still be engulfed if i've invoked the IBoL 08:20 and i cant move out 08:20 <{Demo}> ibol? 08:20 i bet thats by design 08:20 <{Demo}> convict? 08:20 iron ball of liberation 08:20 Iron Ball of Liberation, yep 08:21 the very heavy Iron Ball of Liberation 08:21 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 398 points, T:300, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:22 Str 25 Con 18 and still have to be very critical what to carry 08:22 But it is an awesome atrifact 08:22 *artifact 08:22 morning k2. Off the top of your head do you know how the reflection spell works? It seems to wear off more quickly than haste self. But it's hard to judge 08:22 it works the same as hastle 08:22 haste 08:22 timer should be same 08:22 ok thanks 08:23 and it stacks 08:23 yes 08:23 I'm just trying to do enough of both to last through endgame. I'm about to enter planes 08:23 ok. good luck! 08:23 thanks 08:25 so, the riders horses are no joke ? 08:25 I'm trying to figure out a strategy here 08:25 i've been told to not melee death 08:26 you can, but it pays to kill them as quickly as possible 08:26 I smashed pestilence and famine with paralysis and just ignored their horses 08:26 and thats true for vanilla also 08:26 i do a lot of damage with magic missile 08:26 yeah i avoid death in vanilla for sure 08:26 actually i try to not be next to any of them ever 08:27 but they have way more hp in eh, righth ? 08:27 i need to read over the wiki 08:28 yes they have more hp 08:30 do i stay on the horse? (j/k im a giant... I presume I'm not getting a giant horse?) 08:32 or do I get a pimped out wooly mammoth? 08:33 I watched hothraxxa ascend once, and one of those archangels grabbed him.. What do I do there? can i just fight it? or use some sort of escape mechanism? 08:33 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 7667 points, T:5518, killed by a gas cloud 08:33 <@Suzune Takada> -_- 08:37 just teleport it away? 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2239 points, T:2869, killed by a lynx 08:55 <@Pacra> @rebatela I'm pretty sure you'd have needed to bring a wooly mammoth figurine along 08:55 <@Pacra> but i really don't know 08:58 lol no the red horse at the end is NOT a woolly mammoth for giants 08:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:03 <{Demo}> oh lord, k2's dogs r in evilhack. those things r big and scary and i would not fuck with them irl, i can only imagine how they r in evilhack 09:04 Koa loves people. you could come rob my house and she'd help you 09:04 Ozzy on the other hand, not so much 09:04 <{Demo}> i don't like dogs at all esp big ones 09:04 and he's the big bear 09:05 <@Pacra> @K2 I saw you rolled back my eh game to Orcus and that was very kind, but he still vanished 09:05 are all commits on master in the 0.5 release? 09:06 <@Pacra> I kept on trucking 09:06 if so, hell yeah, autounlock <3 09:06 <@Pacra> it's not even like he escaped upstairs - I saw him on telepathy at the start of the level, and by the time I got to his room at the end, he was gone 09:06 meanwhile amy continues to rail against autounlock for going into vanilla 09:06 <@Pacra> very strange! 09:07 heh, I'm not a fan of the feature itself, but since I don't play vanilla anyway... 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10910 09:08 amateurhour yes 09:08 @Pacra due to an error yesterday i had to restore from backup a few eh games, this is why your game was rolled back a bit 09:09 @Pacra what's your name when you play online? 09:09 'along with this commit [...] fire damage every time you move in gehennom' 09:09 lol, evil 09:09 <@Pacra> oh gotcha 09:09 <@Pacra> @K2 Pacra 09:09 ok 09:09 <@Pacra> not a big deal, at dispater now 09:09 did orcus quaff cursed gain level maybe Pacra? 09:10 or did he read a cursed ? of tele 09:10 <@Pacra> oh definitely possible, but I didn't see him on the level above 09:10 <@Pacra> doesn't he have mr? 09:10 he has some yes 09:10 <@Pacra> maybe I'll run into a very annoying orcus on the ascension run 09:10 <@Pacra> looking forward to it 09:11 <@Pacra> i'm about half-spoiled on eh, so actively watching out for dumb things i dont know that will kill me on this run 09:11 now evilhack needs a branch that deals lightning damage each turn unless you're resistant :D 09:11 <@Pacra> which is potentially everything 09:11 <@Pacra> @larientelrunya giving me adom blue dragon cave vibes 09:11 omg adom 09:12 amateurhour: can you stand still in gehennom and not take damage then 09:12 idk, not played evilhack 0.5.0 to check, K2? 09:12 what I remember is that when I did the tower of eternal flames in Elona for the first time, I had zero fire resistance but still managed to easily beat it :P 09:12 so instead of gehennom being absolutely impossible without fire resistance, it's now merely practically impossible 09:13 aosdict yes if you stand still you're ok if you dont have full fire res. I wanted to give players a chance to figure out what to do 09:13 instead of going to the amulet, just summon it to you 09:13 mountain to muhammad and all that 09:14 then you never move in gehennom, easy 09:14 <{Demo}> is damage reduced with partial res? 09:14 yes 09:14 and its not a lot even with no res 09:15 but i always found it odd you can run around in hell without sunscreen and be ok 09:15 old nethack, if you didnt have fire res, poof dead the second you set foot in hell 09:15 that was... removed for a reason 09:16 yeah. the instakill bit 09:17 * K2 starts a tracker for everything in evilhack that aosdict doesnt like 09:17 <{Demo}> vanilla has that but for cold res and asmodeus 09:17 ^ lets me know I'm on the right track 09:17 :) 09:18 the rogue level is an interesting case of an interface screw 09:18 just not an interesting level to play :-) 09:19 <{Demo}> i don't support it at all 09:19 it's somewhat on the same level as some of the puns in nethack. but you can't ignore it as easily as the bad puns 09:19 how come rogues get a whole level and monks don't, huh?! 09:19 where's the monk level 09:20 slex will keep the rogue level of course ♥ 09:21 LarienTelrunya: and you are asking yourself why nobody finds the good stuff in SLEX when one has to wade through stuff like the rogue level to get to the good stuff :-p 09:21 lol 09:21 bhaak: there were many better examples you could have used in slex to make your point 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14918 09:22 like a character selection screen with hundreds of roles and races 09:22 aosdict: I don't think that actual pertains to his point. 09:22 aosdict: I know not enough about SLEX to reference the really bad stuff :) 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:98939 09:29 coffee time 09:32 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:33 do i try to tame the archon on the earth plane and bring it with me? 09:35 they are hard to tame, but if you have the time and resources, maybe? how many 'summon nasties' do you want to deal with 09:37 I've tamed them before. but yeah it takes a few tries 09:37 i have a magic harp, a million taming scrolls and charm monster 09:37 i'm right next to the portal to next plane... archon is nearby 09:38 but yeah i've seen them start summoning and it gets out of hand SO quick 09:38 A sea dragon just engulfed me while I was wearing a ring of slow disgestion, that was a bit of a surprise... 09:39 I've died to them 09:39 The archon thing is tempting, but I have never had great luck keeping pets through the planes 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12732 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:35250 09:41 ehhh i tried... not going to was all my charges/scrolls 09:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:80286 09:44 fh you say 09:46 mobileuser: is it intended that slow digestion doesn't save you from dragon engulfing? 09:46 seems really weird, it saves you from all other engulf-digesters 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:12857 09:47 soooo summon the dragons, charm them, break speed monster wand, break teleport wand, rinse lather repeat? 09:48 yeah other dragons spit me out in the same turn 09:48 <@Suzune Takada> blessed genocide scroll in evilhack seems to weaker than vanilla 09:48 I think it is. 09:49 it wipes out two random monsters from the class, usually the most powerful but not always 09:49 yep 09:50 speaking of which, will 2 blessed gen for ; work for water or 3 ? 09:50 also, because there are dwarf queens, dwarf kings, dwarf lords, etc. don't try blessed genocide on h hoping for mind flayers 09:50 rebatela: i use only an unblessed for electric eels 09:51 mobileuser: looks like, for whatever reason, sea dragons' engulf attack is AD_WRAP rather than AD_DGST 09:51 yeah mindflayers you have to do individually. lots of h's 09:51 i had the best character killed by a sea dragon in gehennom (on land) 09:52 aosdict the reason is obvious 09:52 aosdict thanks for checking, interesting. I wonder if a sea dragon storm on astral would be interesting in 0.5 against those slow digestion wearing people ;-) 09:53 K2: are sea dragons like made out of water like a water elemental or something 09:53 I thought they were regular flesh and blood dragons that happened to inhabit water 09:53 mobileuser: even with the nerf i think black dragons are the best 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:99156 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:99156 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:99157 09:54 how's that working rebatela? 09:54 hothraxxa agreed 09:54 aosdict yes 09:54 they are made of water 09:55 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c0efa08e30e656f95ee212df0993d748475737d9 09:56 rebatela: if you haven't already, stop now and add an alert for something being stolen 09:56 does evilhack take any steps to fix the issue luxidream reported of getting engulfed by something on the plane of water, carried out away from a bubble, and then instadrowned when you escape the engulfer 09:56 or does it just not care 09:56 darn, my castle wand is only 0:1 and I haven't found charging yet. maybe I'll get lucky with polymorph. 09:57 that's what i'd do 09:57 (this could apply either to sea dragons or water elementals) 09:57 <@microlance> wish for 2 blessed scroll of charging 09:57 <@microlance> thats the advice i was given 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:36351 09:58 not if he can avoid it. evilhack is really stingy with magic markers and you need every wish you can get 09:58 * aosdict keeps conflating microlance and mobileuser 09:58 aosdict: that would be a vanilla issue. if its not 'fixed' in vanilla, its not fixed in evilhack 09:58 plus that sounds evil 09:58 K2: well vanilla has no real engulfers on the plane of water 09:58 so it's not a threat 09:58 hothraxxa exactly! 09:58 aosdict: that happened to me but i was next to dry land and scrambled out 09:59 * aosdict reviews his commit that reverted water elemental and gelatinous cube suffocation 09:59 but an engulfer could appear on the plane of water in vanilla 09:59 quite rare i think 09:59 regardless, i dont see it as an issue. dont get yourself engulfed 09:59 difference between "could appear" and "always appears in large quantities" 10:00 it is evilhack after all 10:00 hm two separate reasons for reverting that 10:00 its supposed to be really hard 10:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12096 10:00 one is the plane of water issue, the other is you choke to death after getting paralyzed inside a cube 10:00 yeah thats pretty nasty isnt it 10:00 * K2 chuckles 10:00 it sucks. i've died both those ways many times 10:01 and i LOVE IT 10:01 good thing you're not a dev for evilhack aosdict :) 10:01 great game 10:01 thanks rebatela 10:01 well I'm thinking about bringing back the water E engulfing 10:02 but I don't want to bring it back if it lets you die *unfairly* 10:02 amulet of magical breathing, I don't enter the plane of water without one in evilhack 10:02 'fair' isnt a term that applies to nethack 10:02 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:02 or anything IRL for that matter 10:02 I think it is totally fair 10:04 get engulfed, you lose control where you end up 10:04 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 10:05 I'd consider it unfair if the only way you could be certain of survival is one specific item (amulet of magical breathing) 10:05 certain of survival 10:06 again, that doesnt exist in nethack 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:99263 10:06 wooo go rebatela 10:06 but if there are multiple ways to do it (wand of opening for one), then that might be acceptable 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:99267 10:06 killed??? show-off ;-) 10:07 congrats rebatela 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 7355726 points, T:99276, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1579432032.evil.html 10:08 whoohoo 10:08 congrats! 10:08 \o/ 10:08 well done rebatela 10:08 Congrats! 10:08 Yay congrats rebatela! 10:08 whoa! nice work 99k turns! 10:08 congrats rebatela 10:09 * K2 wonders if rebatela is currently chugging a 5th of jack daniels right now 10:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3742 10:10 hehe no but shot of V0 in my coffee ;) 10:10 lol 10:10 i know I overprepared. But whatever 10:11 it was driving me crazy 10:11 thanks everyone 10:11 yes 99k turns. I was having fun owning the dungeon 10:12 i forget how many times i killed rodney 10:12 19 times ;-) 10:12 heh 10:12 Got to the end of the Mines and still NO scrolls of identify :S 10:13 rebatela you lucky bastard, first altar 10:13 ;) 10:13 * K2 basks in the glory of viewing an HTML dumplog 10:13 so pretty 10:15 thank you bhaak and Tangles for HTML dumplogs 10:15 I snuggle with HTML dumplogs each night to help me fall asleep 10:17 if I drank coffee, I'd add HTML dumplogs to it instead of sugar 10:17 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 438 points, T:3872, taken down by a gnome 10:18 7 million did i get low score? 10:19 hmm i may need to update the local scoreboard for eh 0.5.0 10:19 yup i do 10:19 brb 10:19 doh "Using a wand of digging to escape being engulfed does not always drop the engulfer's 10:19 hit points down to one" this was main way I had figured out how to deal with dragons in #evil. lol 10:20 K2: rebatela's game was 0.4.2 still? 10:21 yes 10:21 gratz rebatela !! 10:21 hah so that has no bearing 10:21 but i still need to do that 10:21 amateurhour: thanks man! 10:23 the girl on the couch gave me an adderall pre-planes so I suppose i could be disqualfied for PEDs... 10:23 excited to play 0.5.0 now though! 10:24 -!- Chris__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:24 there we go... rebatela your game shows on the hdf scoreboard now 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:281 10:26 rebatela is this your 1st or 2nd eh asc? 10:27 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:28 THat was my first 10:28 oooh wow 10:28 for some reason i thought that was your 2nd 10:28 double congrats! 10:28 ya dude. i'm pretty psyched 10:28 thank you 10:29 K2 I don't see rebatela's game appearing on scoreboard.xd.cm yet, something not right with the log file? 10:29 @rebatela we need protips for the ascension run. what were you glad you prepped what did you over prep? 10:30 xlogfile is fine. i'll let Mandevil know 10:30 well i had 900hp 10:30 that's probably overkill? 10:32 hah... depends who you ask 10:33 900! I am not prepared... 10:33 and I arranged it so I could wear life saving. It never became an issue, but even in vanilla I usually have to use that slot as a monk 10:33 (for reflection) 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9688 10:34 but I was able to use magic for haste/reflection so saved those slots and just used artifacts for MR. Which rodney stole a few times 10:34 took the amulet a couple times too 10:34 but giant monks are very limited in slots for that stuff 10:35 monks in general are i guess 10:35 but at least they can wear t-shirts (giants can't) 10:35 can't wear robes or cloaks either 10:36 did you do astral bare handed? or weapons? rubber chickens? 10:36 #protip: do not melee anything on evilhack astral plane 10:37 avoid as much as possible. use teleport to get rid of enemies 10:37 ah Giant explains the 900hp.. they are more about tanking with HP than with AC? 10:38 well that's seriously overprepped. i usually am happy with 300+ for evilhack 10:39 ahhh that's what i mean to say, no robes etc. or body armor/t-shirt 10:39 but managed to get -48AC 10:39 bring some full healing and that's plenty 10:39 lots of praying for protection 10:40 You had a huge defense bonus (+20). 10:40 was wearing ring of protection +6 for the MC mostly 10:41 then dragonhide gauntlets of protection 10:41 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 10:41 my best evilhack run so far was as illithid. Fly ability suuuper convenient with all the lava and water everywhere. Working on a convict now but wondering how much less convenient it's going to be not to have the easy mode of flying everywhere once I get deeper down? 10:43 how far did you get with the illithid? what role ? 10:43 convict seems really hard 10:44 and no Giant didn't have much to do with the HP I don't think.. Mostly alchemy 10:44 and quaffing gain levels at the end when I didn't need cursed anymore 10:45 also prayed a lot on altars. sometimes you get golden glow and hp's 10:45 I do that in vanilla too though 10:45 got to l45 with wizard illithid, before i discovered the hard way those are drawbridges... not iron bars guarding base of vlad tower. lol. yasd 10:46 dingotron: I played the whole game bare handed - grand master martial arts (in eh you get an extra turn at grand master if you aren't using a shield etc) 10:47 didn't get the weaponless conduct, but I never really used weapons 10:47 convict is an incredibly dumb idea. but fun that way. After about 30? attempts, finally got one down to mines end so far and back up again, equipped enough now to head for castle. took a while to figure out the playstyle. also playing as a hobbit for extra hunger/stupidity. lol 10:48 oh I think I know the level you are talking about.. It's like dispater's level or something? I've found bones where that drawbridge is 10:48 you're not the first to die there 10:49 yeah, I dont think i meleed a thing hothraxxa... zapped teleport a bunch 10:49 I was so worried about player monster stealing the amulet 10:49 lucky I got first altar, but I think i was prepared for the tour (easy to say now) 10:50 I tried a bunch of times to charm the archon on earth plane, but eventually gave up 10:50 with convict, first problem is don't starve before you can pray on T200. This is not always successful. learn to work with single digit remaining HP a lot in the early levels and keep pressing on because you need to find food. But get to basic/skilled in daggers then find a nymph to take off the ball and you are pretty good from there. A mattock is 10:50 then the next goal, and you have great dpm with that and can train to expert if you want. 10:51 just doesn't sound like fun to me lol 10:51 It's like reading a punishment scroll on purpose or something? 10:51 no thanks 10:52 late congrats rebatela!!!! 10:52 ha yes. plus you start with no items, no skills, and with no nutrition. And shop keepers wont sell to you. Oh! and (learned the hard way) soldiers in minetown attack you on sight 10:53 it's a difficulty role for sure 10:55 thanks umbire ! 10:55 if #evil hack is supposed to be about the dungeon killing you A LOT, I figured might as well try to fully embrace the spirit of that 10:55 rebatela, monks got some more love in 0.5.0 10:56 yay 10:56 yeah I think I'm done with giants, but still love monks 10:56 at master level or higher in martial arts, they sometimes get an extra kick attack 10:56 wearing body armor suppresses that 10:57 yeah, I never wear armor 10:57 that's awesome 10:57 dingotron once your alignment is positive you can pray to get rid of the chain 10:58 ha. that I did not know 10:58 all - the IRC link on the hardfought webpage now points to freenode's webchat page. I'm done messing with kiwi periodically blocking irc web services from my server 11:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:8602 11:02 after YASD a couple promising characters in a row in #evil I figured I'd just switch the the class that is supposed to YASD early and often. so now new forms of deaths are just entertaining and literally every level gained feels like a win. Convicts are great for expectation management :) 11:03 Good point ;-) At least the sickness resistance is awesome once you manage to surivive. 11:03 *survive 11:03 surprised no one mentioned the change to the valk quest artifact 11:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:11 orb of weight? 11:11 i need to read all these changes 11:14 did you read this? - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/fvq6gb/evilhack_050_has_been_released/ 11:14 no thank you for link! 11:15 dingotron: You ever play monks? 11:15 I think a lot of people get scared away thinking you have to eat vegan 11:16 not recently, years ago in vanilla. you are making me want to try again though. giant seems like a good fit and now the extra kicks 11:18 yeah... i dunno about giant so much. I got real far just playing human monks (my goto in vanilla) 11:18 giants are fun as hell, but they have some serious shortcomings 11:19 but monks can get basic in every spellschool. I kind of play them like wizards who can actually survive the early game (actually the whole game too) with martial arts 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1139 points, T:2007, killed by a rothe 11:20 i'm always plugging monks on here lol. I just feel like people don't play them for some reason 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:339 11:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:24 they're my favourite role in vanilla for sure 11:24 they kind of suck in vanilla 11:24 they're fine, honestly 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:474 11:24 maybe the rush from defeating kaen is worth it? 11:25 I mean you can buff marts and I wouldn't complain, but I don't think it's insufficient 11:26 kaen is easy in vanilla these days... 11:27 <@microlance> lol a bone file in lower mines with both stormbringer and grayswandir 11:28 well, seems like I just botched Sokoban on level 4 :/ 11:28 rebatela: how so? scare monster doesn't work on him anymore 11:29 probs bcuz no MR 11:31 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 11:33 rebatela may not be awar eof that recent change to vanilla 11:34 K2: sorry, I stopped reading after "eof" 11:34 yep... not aware of the change in vanilla 11:34 scroll doesn't work in eh either 11:34 but I know how to kill Kaen without 11:34 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 11:34 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:34 why the monk hate aosdict? I've heard you say that before? 11:34 it was quite the shock when I started a vanilla game after they nerfed scare monster for him :^) 11:34 yeah.. i figured it was only a matter of time 11:34 made it too easy 11:35 it's still worth taking scare monster for all the xorns etc though 11:35 boulder fort, scare monster, zap your entire arsenal of attack wands 11:35 monks are so much fun.... You can just karate chop everything and then you can cast every spell 11:35 and if you wish for the eota? forget about it 11:36 yeah... I do boulder fort in eh 11:36 aosdict the spelling nazi? really? 11:36 lol 11:36 there are other options for Kaen as well 11:37 I didn't play for a couple months so all the changes since 3.62 i don't know 11:37 I knew once I started playing I'd be hooked so I resisted as long as I could during this quarantine 11:37 <@Tone> I usually end up levitating over the lava and zapping him to death with whatever attack wands I have 11:38 <@Tone> I usually have those resources and no scare monster at that point 11:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:41 that gives me the spooks, levitating over lava 11:41 so I stick to the boulder fort 11:42 K2: it was... an end-of-file joke 11:43 <{Demo}> it was funny 11:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 33670 points, T:12380, killed by a fire ant 11:43 ah 11:43 i just saw it as you giving me shit yet again :) 11:43 rebatela: I don't hate monks, but they really are pretty sucky in vanilla. they have a bunch of disadvantages and the advantages don't really balance them out 11:45 I suppose that's where we disagree 11:45 also their quest design is the worst of all quests 11:45 what would you do to change them though out of interest? 11:45 slash have you done already in your variants 11:46 amateurhour: mainly improve martial arts, either through reinstating their techniques or doing quasi-techniques like evilhack does where the martial arts improve but there's no direct control over it 11:46 and throw out and redesign the quest from the ground up 11:48 is that already implemented? 11:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1657 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:20658 11:50 I consider it a problem that the monk wiki article's strategy section starts off by mentioning that you can do martial arts through the whole game if you really want to, then says in the midgame that an artifact weapon is worth using, then the late game straight up says "A highly-enchanted double-damage weapon like one of the Brands, even at Unskilled, will do significantly more damage than martial 11:50 arts at Grand Master level." 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1819 11:50 and implies the only reason you should be using martial arts at this point is if you're weaponless 11:51 To be clear, the strategy advice isn't _wrong_. 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master liches), on T:13327 11:51 But it's a problem that a monk's best combat option is to do the same exact thing as a valkyrie or knight would. 11:54 so nerf weapons more for monks then 11:54 <@riker> I mean then monks are just more bad 11:54 just more bad for those choosing to use weapons 11:54 <@riker> I think the solution would be to make martial arts less bad and possibly also nerf weapons for monks 11:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:55 monks are already sucky in my opinion. when something is sucky the wrong choice is the one that just applies more nerfs 11:56 have you done a weaponless monk aosdict ? it's really not bad 11:56 yes 11:56 monks max out at about 12 martial arts damage in vanilla, if they were to instead get the damage figures from slashem they'd be competitive ;) 11:56 a while ago, but post 3.6 11:57 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 705 points, T:2464, offed by a werejackal 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:13594 12:00 I think if I would change anything for monks I'd improve their pw situation somewhat 12:00 just adding a second attack for monk in evilhack (gm skill) did wonders 12:01 its still lower than dual wielding with a maxed out grayswandir or excalibur, but at least their dmg output becomes competitive 12:01 <@riker> k2: "just giving monks effective double damage in evilhack (gm skill) did wonders" :_ 12:01 <@riker> :) 12:01 <@riker> I like that change though 12:01 me too 12:01 lol i said that along time ago huh 12:03 so the monk hits like a little girl for ages and then suddenly bam, grand master, now he hits like a 40-ton truck :P 12:04 <@riker> amy i'm 95% sure you have both of those monsters in slex 12:04 <@riker> and i don't think the monk damage lines up with either :P 12:04 lol :D 12:05 @le?little girl 12:05 little girl (@) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 kick physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, infravisible 12:05 @le?truck of peace 12:05 truck of peace (') | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 36 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -5 | Attacks: 1d20 touch physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: flies, phases, breathless, mindless, unsolid, nopoly, demon, stalker, vegan 12:05 heh I guess the truck's damage output is on the low end 12:08 [hdf-us] [slshm] Delraven (Mon Hob Mal Neu), 17626 points, T:4935, killed by a crystal golem 12:08 <{Demo}> the monk wishes he could hit like a little girl 12:15 boulders can pass through iron bars 12:16 if you stand on a boulder trap 12:19 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:23 [hdf-us] [sp] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a a silver spear bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3458 12:26 [hdf-us] [sp] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 16756 points, T:3729, killed by a mastodon 12:26 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 12:27 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 12:40 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 215 points, T:997, killed by a death ray 12:44 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] BLARGO (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed microlance's human mummy, the former Initiate, on T:21378 12:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:59 <@microlance> pretty balanced bones level i just found in the level below minetown, stormbringer, grayswandir lots and lots of accesories and like 20k gold in total 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] introsp3ctive (Pri Hob Mal Neu), 443 points, T:1157, killed by a dwarf 13:15 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 13:23 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 13:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:266 13:36 FIQ: I have so many questions about FIQhack =P 13:36 where should I start reading? 13:36 <@riker> I think the wiki page is pretty good 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:805 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3870 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4104 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:40071 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40073 13:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:746 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 41 points, T:182, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1331 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1840 13:49 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2369 points, T:2811, killed by a boulder 13:50 K2 I thought the watch would attack zombies, do they not? 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:2023 13:50 they should 13:50 they seem to be ignoring these ones 13:50 0.5.0 ? 13:51 oh nvm, they just took like 50 turns to do so 13:51 hah 13:51 they just watched as my kitten tried to fight the zombies 13:51 watched as its brains were eaten 13:51 danced around the zambos a few times, then finally did something 13:51 slash their pay imo 13:54 so I may have put on an autocursing conical hat 13:54 does prayer not count that as a minor trouble? 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4676 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 7006 points, T:4779, killed by a wolf, while praying 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:260 13:58 scrollback: yeah. the monk wiki has some good info and some confusing info 13:59 martial arts is much better in EH 13:59 aosdict: you should make the changes to the monk role you dislike so much in xnh? 14:00 amateurhour: thats why they didnt help your kitten. their pay is already low enough as it is 14:00 It's funny the way I started playing monks... I used to only play priests 14:00 now that 0.5.0 is out i can play again hah. i want to try a centaur priest 14:00 but one day it was fri 13th and food prayer was not an option 14:01 so i chose a role that starts with food 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:703 14:01 monk 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:803 14:01 Aaaaaaand. I found a WoW in the first room 14:01 I had no idea how to play monks 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 108 points, T:301, killed by a boulder 14:01 -!- goduck777 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 and obviously wasn't going to use the wand because my luck was negative 14:01 lol a WoW in the starting room? 14:02 maybe the second room 14:02 thats not evil 14:02 but dl1 14:02 <@riker> wasn't explore mode this time? 14:02 this is vanilla 14:02 oh 14:02 -!- goduck777 has joined #hardfought 14:02 long time ago 14:02 <@riker> ah 14:02 anyway, I made it to astral and splatted. But have played monks ever since 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 757 points, T:1662, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 14:03 learned soon after that the fortune cookies/apples/oranges are awesome for training dog/cat/horses 14:04 I think it's one of the easier early games in vanilla. And it's almost a relief not having to worry about armor or a weapon 14:05 not to mention in vanilla 1/5 chance of a marker, and 1/3 chance of sleep spell (extremely powerful early game and a lvl 1 spell in vanilla) 14:05 <@riker> the marker thing is dumb 14:05 i know i can't stand markers 14:05 wizards can start with them too 14:05 it's not dumb... You can't wear body armor. the marker makes up for that 14:05 -!- Lymee has joined #hardfought 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:921 14:06 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 14:06 -!- misha_ has joined #hardfought 14:06 i'm used to eh now where no one starts with a marker 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1253, died of starvation 14:06 but i don't think it's dumb for a wizard or a monk to have a chance to start with one 14:07 what's dumb about it, riker? just curious 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1530 14:08 -!- misha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:08 -!- Lymia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08 -!- noomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08 -!- Lymee is now known as Lymia 14:08 <@riker> I just think that it's too good 14:08 <@riker> like, I understand it makes up for no armor 14:08 Being able to wear dsm is too good 14:08 <@riker> but you can get much more AC out of a marker than armor, with a good starting roll 14:08 eh sometimes the marker is like 0:30 14:09 but yeah sleep spell and a marker? I ascend vanilla monk pretty much every time 14:09 But a lot of people are afraid to play monk thinking it's hard. I guess that was my point 14:10 it is the easiest for me. I'm sure the fact that that's all I play has a little to do with it, but not all 14:10 <@riker> I guess the real question is it too hard or are the other classes too easy 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1979 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:2005 14:11 I'm still basking in this eh ascension lol. Where there are NO Markers until the high priest lol 14:12 you can wish for them, or 50% chance in sokoban 14:12 :P 14:13 i have a couple knuckleheads quarantined with me, and I'm trying to explain to them the significance (to me at least lol) but they don't understand 14:13 amateurhour: I'm aware ;) 14:13 but there's no polypiling or finding randomly in hardware shops etc. 14:14 i always try for the tool in soko 14:14 <{Demo}> does astral projection violate quarantine? 14:14 lol 14:15 I sneezed towards pestilence and didn't cover my face 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2742 14:18 I'm ordering pipe cleaners to sew into the masks I'm making to make it fit better around the nose. That's only if I can keep every from forming them all into little animals. 14:19 i just got a mental pic of that 14:19 lol 14:19 every sitting cross-legged on the floor making stick animals out of pipe cleaner 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:834 14:20 K2, I'll get photos 14:20 <@riker> bliss: why not just make the masks into little animals? 14:20 <@riker> add some whiskers 14:20 i have a shark mask 14:20 and a lumberjack mask 14:20 <@riker> i have no mask 14:20 my wife has friends who have been going on a mask making craze 14:20 <@riker> since I have not left my house in 3 weeks 14:21 ah 14:21 and if it gets bad, i have an N95 mask and also a working army gas mask w/ filter 14:21 I'm imagining the kitty nose and mouth to go with the whiskers 14:21 <@riker> k2: you gotta send pics of the gas mask 14:21 I'm not wearing any masks 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16724 14:22 i wonder if i can get the gas mask to seal, i have a beard now 14:22 Our local guidance is to wear them to protect others in case you are asymptomatic 14:23 I don't know many (any?) fellow brits that are buying some 14:23 If you can find time between nethack sessions to to anywhere 14:23 what Bliss56 said. the masks are more for other people's protection 14:23 necessary 14:23 BUT, it seems just breathing the air around an infected person, you can catch it 14:23 so yay masks 14:23 We're both in the target population for getting it bad if we get it. 14:24 :/ 14:24 yes, I'm aware of the function, but they seem rather excessive in comparison to the lockdown 14:24 3 of us here, including me are as well 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 234 points, T:907, killed by a water demon 14:24 But you cannot get it playing nethack, yeah! 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:8294 14:24 I only leave home once a week to go grocery shopping 14:24 i just read, PM of england is now on a ventilator :( 14:24 <@riker> I heard that by spending time on IRC, you can catch it from other people there? 14:24 my mum's in an unfortunate position in that she's a respiratory specialist nurse 14:24 and in the risk group 14:24 Just us two, google hangouting across the room, heh. 14:24 lol 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8669 14:25 i only have to go in to the office 3 days a week instead of 5... not ideal but its better than all week 14:26 @riker no not IRC, discord 14:26 its discord :) 14:26 <@riker> :) 14:26 If I were still working, I'd be doing it mostly remote. That train commute would have been a nightmare. 14:27 no doubt 14:27 I live within walking distance of my work 14:27 <{Demo}> don't die 14:28 <@riker> that's so encouraging edmo 14:28 <@riker> *demo 14:28 Bliss56 are there any grocery delivery services in your area? 14:28 I've got to go through my quest loot before I start working on the masks. I've promised some to my son and his wife. Priorities 14:28 quest loot or masks? 14:29 'here son, I found grayswandir for you' 14:29 K2, yes, but we use pickup. We order online and then go open the trunk and they put the stuff in. 14:29 <@riker> with all due respect no son of mine is getting my grayswandir 14:29 Bliss56 that works 14:29 Quest loot, then masks. 14:29 quite a few stores around here are doing the same 14:30 order via phone or online, pick it up outside 14:30 We've been doing it for over a year now. Every hates the grocery store. I 14:30 it has saved money with no impulse buys. Makes you plan 14:31 We just pull up, call and let them know we're here and they bring it out. 14:31 cool 14:31 gratis, too. 14:31 i make of mistake of grocery shopping while hungry 14:32 <{Demo}> im in a pretty destructive mood rn 14:32 go chop some wood 14:32 <{Demo}> kinda wanna eat awful things and then feel terrible 14:32 I've learned the hard way to not go grocery shopping while hungry 14:32 <{Demo}> oh like self destructive not other thing destructive 14:32 I haven't done much grocery shopping in ages. When I was pregnant, I came home with 3 different types of smoked oysters, but no milk or bread. Every started shopping then. 14:33 heheh 14:33 this reminds me, i want to break in the new smoker tomorrow 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 14048 points, T:11591, quit 14:34 I will usually come home with all kinds of candy known to men 14:34 I bring home a lot of vegetables to rot in the fridge. 14:34 :) 14:35 brb 14:35 back to quest 14:42 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:46 rebatela: [backscroll] I mean, I'll make those changes eventually. 14:47 When monk changes will come up in the 2000+ lines of the xnethack todo list is another matter. 14:47 <@riker> what's next up? 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:720 14:50 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Hum Fem Neu) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the deep blue sea, on T:1705 14:51 @riker I don't know, I haven't added the next thousand ideas I marked down for pulling out of the archive while I was busy tagging them all 14:51 right now want to focus on getting 5.1 out this week, and that's pretty much just bugfixes 14:51 <@riker> ah 14:51 after it's out I will go back and try to refine the todo list somewhat 14:52 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 788 points, T:2929, killed by a gas spore's explosion 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:1116 14:53 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Hum Fem Neu) had Imhullu bestowed upon her by the deep blue sea, on T:2020 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 505 points, T:1808, killed by a hill orc 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:425 15:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Ith Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Kos, on T:25934 15:18 aha scoreboard.xd.cm now has rebatela's ascension, all is well with NetHack Scoreboard :-) 15:18 taek lives you life-taker you 15:18 *take 15:18 yeah Mandevil fixed it 15:18 nice!! 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1314 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1314 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 297 points, T:1322, killed by a giant mimic 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:17107 15:39 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 15:39 hi 15:39 Hello porkman, Welcome to #hardfought 15:40 sup porkman 15:40 nothing, just another day at work 15:40 sounds annoying 15:40 <{Demo}> aids 15:41 <{Demo}> i need to be able to do stuff in person to feel alive 15:42 <@Sig> rR 15:42 <@Sig> Oops wrong window 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Sig (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 253 points, T:882, killed by a giant mimic 15:43 <@Sig> So Elbereth doesn't work 15:43 you have to learn it in game first 15:44 Learn it? how? 15:44 <@Sig> ^ 15:44 by reading it, hearing it from the oracle, etc 15:44 and which variant are we talking about? 15:44 <@riker> evilhack 15:44 evilhack 15:44 oooh 15:44 is evilhack more evil than slex? 15:44 <@Sig> Oh, I genuinely forgot about the oracle 15:44 <@riker> i'd argue it's more concentrated evilness 15:44 <@riker> sig: were you playing dnethack elves for elbereth? 15:44 lol porkman you don't know about evilhack? 15:46 <@Sig> Riker: I've played them just to try them out. I'm trying to wean myself off it but there's no other answer to a giant mimic at level 2 15:46 <@riker> how in the world did you manage a giant mimic on dlvl 2 15:46 <@Sig> Other than "don't walk into suspicious items in shops" but that would require me to pay attention 15:47 <@riker> if you find an out of depth monster that's that out of depth, lmk, because that's a bug that i had the other day as well (in my case it was a monster from like dlvl 16 on dlvl 2) 15:47 <@riker> also, prayer works too :p 15:48 <@Sig> I'm not sure it was on exactly dlvl 2, but it was pretty early. 15:48 <@riker> hm, the soko one? 15:48 <@Sig> Nah, it was just in a shop. 15:49 <@riker> wack 15:49 <@Sig> (I forgot prayer knocks off grapples, that's good to keep in mind) 15:49 No, i dont know about evilhack :( 15:49 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 253 points, T:2002, inhumed by a kobold 15:49 <@riker> I do'nt know if it specifically makes them release you but it should make them flee for a while 15:49 <@riker> which would... make them release you :p 15:49 well evilhack is a variant that is a little bit evil ;) 15:49 <@Sig> Lol 15:50 evilhack's pretty cool, would recommend giving it a shot 15:50 <{Demo}> evilhack would be fun if i wasnt bad at it 15:51 AMy, how do i search for corpses that would give me teleport control in the source? 15:51 evilhack is fun and I'm bad at it 15:51 :D 15:51 <{Demo}> i found a cheap chocolate advent calendar from lidl that expired a bit over a year ago 15:51 <{Demo}> im using it as a countdown for the end of humanity now 15:51 porkman: M1_TPORT_CONTROL 15:52 err M1_TPORT_CNTRL 15:52 damn am I that tired yet, that I misspell it like that? 15:54 <@Sig> What's a forge? 16:00 question 16:01 who would you say the most trustable person is, in the nethack community? If you had to pick one to trust with your life, who would you pick? 16:01 <{Demo}> kerio :P 16:01 <{Demo}> i say facetiously 16:02 I'm hurt 16:02 I'm the most neutral person in the nethack community. 16:03 but, Bhaak, you are the lawful god in one of the slex pantheons, not neutral! 16:03 if you need somebody who should decide if your machines should be stopped, it's me 16:03 porkman: I'm not responsible for bugs in variants :-p 16:04 hahaha 16:04 <{Demo}> if *I* had to pick someone to trust, it would be myself 16:05 <{Demo}> because i trust myself more than anyone 16:05 <{Demo}> so just trust no one 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Sig (Val Hum Fem Law), 370 points, T:1215, killed by a gnome lord 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:81015 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:534 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 371 points, T:772, killed by a water moccasin 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:408 16:15 Right, now let's go streak slex 16:17 {Demo}: at least you know under what conditions you would betray yourself. 16:18 <@riker> porkman: I feel like fiq would probably be reasonably trustable 16:18 <{Demo}> anyone here built nhtng before? 16:18 <@riker> i haven't heard any bad things about fiqhack except from amy 16:19 <{Demo}> it looks like the diff doesn't handle any of the sys makefile setup scripts? 16:21 {Demo}: the README says he built it for BSD but with the new des and .c files it should have modified some 16:22 man, all those jonadab monsters 16:23 <{Demo}> yeah i ran sys/unix/setup.sh and the resulting makefiles don't have Geek or anything 16:23 <@riker> is there a bsd setup.sh? 16:23 <{Demo}> the unix setup.sh is appropriate for that 16:23 no, it's all unix to me 16:24 <@riker> there's a geek/greek joke there somewhere but i'm too tired to make it 16:25 {Demo}: http://www.juiblex.co.uk/nethack/TNG.html 16:25 {Demo}: is that where you got the patch from? 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2591 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:2606 16:26 <{Demo}> yeah 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:2659 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:3044 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1891 points, T:3076, killed by an ape, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:31 I didn't remember that NHTNG added the "missing" rogue monsters 16:31 <{Demo}> maybe i'd have better luck if i try to build it on a bsd 16:32 <{Demo}> big issue I'm having is it expecting header files to include goofy things that they don't 16:32 have you tried compiling NetHack 3.1.3 first? 16:35 <{Demo}> the problem is I can't even do that 16:37 I don't remember if I ever compiled and ran it and if I did, it was literally decades ago and then I was likely using the Solaris machines at the university which was probably more similar to a BSD than current unixoids are 16:38 but then again, I probably didn't as it has very good documentation 16:39 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 16:40 {Demo}: I believe there is documentation on the nethackwiki 16:40 you might have to look through a couple of revisions 16:50 it's also interesting to see how some ideas (e.g. bag of digestion, ring of health, or scroll of mass murder) got into other variants in another form 16:52 <{Demo}> yeah this shit isn't gonna build on a modern linux distro without some diddling 17:00 what is a scroll of mass murder 17:00 <@riker> genocide on the specific level I believe 17:00 it sounds bad but by rights it ought to be less bad than genocide 17:00 <@riker> wipes out all monsters of that kind on the level 17:01 so basically unnethack uncursed geno 17:01 ring of health -> healthstone perhaps? 17:01 <@riker> I think so aosdict 17:02 <@riker> ah wiki says ring of health is just a gain con ring aosdict 17:03 did vanilla at the time not have that 17:04 <@riker> apparently not 17:06 it got added in 3.3.0 17:06 found a tiny bug in new evilhack weee 17:07 only one and then even only a tiny one? 17:07 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/sounds.c#L304 17:07 ^ thought that would only happen on the level right before medusa's level 17:08 i'm hearing it as early as dlvl 4 :) 17:08 <@Tone> Was medusa on dlvl 5? :) 17:08 you americans and your inability to properly case a senstence :-) 17:08 lol no thank god 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:81958 17:09 oooh nice @Pacra 17:09 bhaak i no do words gud 17:09 you got bitten again by C's weak type system :-) 17:09 <@Pacra> @K2 first hit: 17:09 <@Pacra> Vorpal Blade beheads Demogorgon! You kill Demogorgon!--More-- 17:09 wow 17:09 <@riker> vorpal is good 17:09 <@Pacra> vorpal in eh is extremely good 17:09 oh i see 17:09 i forgot return; 17:10 <@Pacra> you're definitely going to be hitting things quite a few times with large hp pool 17:10 <@riker> what's demo's hp in evil? 17:10 Hi K2, my evil game got disconnected and now won't load, I probably need to wait about an hour? 17:10 10 min 17:10 <@Pacra> ooh, demo was carrying !oFH too 17:10 @riker its same as vanilla 17:10 <@riker> vorpal nerf idea: vorpal things can only kill monsters with <400 hp, maybe dealing 2x damage otherwise, to prevent situations like that from demogorgon or similar 17:10 <@riker> k2: that doens't help much :p dnh is 1728 17:11 crazy 17:11 I think it has been longer than 10 min but I'll wait a bit longer 17:11 but dnh also has crazy AC and damage output from artifact weapons 17:11 mobileuser one sec 17:11 <@Pacra> @riker that probably is a legitimate nerf to it for eh specifically 17:11 <@Pacra> but im glad i got to do it 17:12 <@riker> k2: it also takes forever to kill things with that much hp, tbh 17:12 <@riker> hm evil does 200 damage ok 17:12 <@riker> *200 hp 17:12 <@riker> so maybe 100 hp is a good vorpal cutoff 17:12 mobileuser game recovered 17:12 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 176 points, T:1997, slain by a fox 17:13 thanks again K2! 17:13 K2: no, that's not the problem. it's the last block anyway, so a return is not even needed. it's "Is_medusa_level(&u.uz) - 1" is always true unless you are on medusa's level 17:13 <@riker> LOL 17:13 <@riker> I think you want Is_medusa_level(&u.uz-1) 17:13 oh right 17:14 ok.. blah 17:15 yeah of course the -1 was supposed to be in the quotes thats what I meant all along 17:15 yeah 17:17 <@Pacra> @riker something else that vorpal is also amazing at in EH: 17:17 <@Pacra> killing fellow adventurers 17:17 <@riker> ah yeah that would do it too 17:18 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 90 points, T:423, overpowered by a fox 17:21 hmm Is_medusa_level(&u.uz-1) doesnt seem to do the trick 17:21 <@riker> pacra: vorpal is equally good in dnethack, where demon lords/etc. have enough health that you'll probably have to hit them 50+ times to kill 17:21 K2, decrementing the pointer doesn't seem good 17:22 <@riker> so I've got experience with abusing vorpal blade to kill demogorgon :) 17:22 jilles i'm not sure how else to express what I want to express there 17:23 may need to make an iflag mabe 17:23 maybe 17:23 <{Demo}> jesus 17:24 K2, thing is that u.uz is a struct (d_level) 17:24 and Is_medusa_level() takes that struct by reference 17:25 what you can do is make a copy of the struct, mutate it, then pass that by reference to Is_medusa_level() 17:25 it's a tiny struct (two xchars), so copying it is no problem 17:26 you lost me at 'mutate it, then pass that by reference to Is_medusa_level()' 17:27 please remember, i'm not a programmer. i'm still learning as i go 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:38634 17:27 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 241 points, T:2013, slaughtered by a bat 17:28 that's not much of a programmer problem, it's the way the dungeon structure is constructed 17:28 I think "(ledger_no(&u.uz) == ledger_no(&medusa_level)-1)" might od it 17:31 bhaak, yes, that looks good 17:31 i'll give that a try. bhaak, jilles thanks 17:31 u.uz, medusa_level, etc. are of the type "d_level" and that's a struct with the entries "dnum" for the branch number you're on and "dlevel" level number for the level within that branch 17:32 ledger_no() combines that into a unique number 17:33 yup that did the trick 17:33 the pointers are probably to help historical C implementations 17:33 passing structs by value used to be a popular piece of C to put bugs in 17:34 (in the compilers, that is) 17:40 -!- moony is now known as noomy 17:43 bhaak while I am thinking about it - in unnethack, have you ever had issues with branch stairs or portals spawning where they shouldn't? 17:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:49 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 30 points, T:854, slaughtered by a jackal 17:50 K2: not in general. I think level flipping caused some errors when not everything got flipped. and then the random order of the planes caused the portal being on the same side you arrived on 17:50 ah. i never brought in level flipping to evilhack 17:51 few of us were looking at why portals and branch stairs will spawn in places like same room with existing stairs, or in a shop, etc 17:51 @riker made some discoveries but we never got to a fix 17:52 <@riker> for whatever reason find_branch_room doesn't seem to be rejecting rooms with stairs / special rooms properly 17:52 just curious if you ever saw anything similar - the issues never cropped up until I added random vaults a year ago 17:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39530 18:00 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 798 points, T:1556, killed by a wand 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:03 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:39659 18:17 K2: normal stairs in general appearing in the same room, or only branch staircases appearing with normal stairs? 18:17 K2, knowing evilhack, I'd expect something more like "randomly step into SLEX for a level" 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:39664 18:21 bhaak: one problem is the quest portal generating in shops 18:25 {Demo}: I was bored and got 3.1.3 to compile 18:26 <@riker> does it include the new roles? 18:26 <@riker> ah 3.1.3 not tng 18:26 for the people that are more familiar with configuration, it probably wouldn't take as long 18:26 but I'll try adding the patches tomorrow I suppose 18:26 <{Demo}> on what? 18:26 arch linux 18:27 <{Demo}> should be close enough 18:27 I'll make a gist with the config I used 18:27 <{Demo}> my big issue was with the ioctl constant that wasn't defined 18:27 (one line is just a straight up hack, ignore that, I got lazy :P ) 18:27 <{Demo}> don't care, hacks are fine 18:29 https://hastebin.com/fiqabosiwa.cs 18:29 pretend line 10 isn't entirely insane 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a bone knife entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:13288 18:31 I wanted to try figure out a way to find which commit if any in the git tree 3.1.3 was 18:31 bhaak: branch stairs spawning in same room with regular stairs, magic portals spawning in rooms other than normal rooms (shops mainly, also in rooms with regular stairs) 18:31 <@riker> poor dingotron actually gets tymora on his side, and gets a knfie 18:31 <@riker> RIP 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5397 18:31 (I like branch stairs spawning in the same room as regular stairs) 18:32 <@riker> the stair bit is probably fine, but they shouldn't do special rooms 18:32 K2, aosdict: the only commit I could fine that might be relevant is this one 5b668dbd14 in unnethack. but it's unlikely that his would workaround your problems 18:33 put the quest entrance in a vault and have the guard chase you in, it's the evil thing to do 18:33 ^ sometimes the best ideas come from bugs 18:34 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 18:35 hmm as a first sacrifice gift as a convict I got... a bone knife? #evilhack 18:35 <@riker> sacrificial dagger! 18:35 <@riker> (is it spl that actually has that?) 18:36 <{Demo}> yeah nah even with that diff I'm still running into the same time library error as before 18:36 <@riker> what are you running demo? 18:36 it just IDs as a blessed fireproof +4 bone knife. 18:37 <{Demo}> oh hey that was all though 18:37 <{Demo}> fixed that and now i have a binary 18:37 <@riker> dingotron: yeah it's not an artifact 18:37 <@riker> but I think splicehack has actual benefits to sacrificing with a bone knife wielded 18:37 I didn't know you could get not-artifacts. bummer. 18:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 9315 points, T:5872, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted leocrotta 18:38 <@riker> chance decreases with your level, so if you're higher level you should get better gear 18:38 I guess I could try sacrificing with it and see if it does something in #evil 18:38 <@riker> just checked the source - it doesn't 18:39 i think sting is the only other artifact in game so far. so that's some bad luck. and not even luckblade! (which I thought was automatic first gift) 18:39 oh, maybe I missed something from the haste in haste 18:40 <@riker> evilhack makes it that you're not guaranteed to get an artifact when you get a gift at all 18:40 <@riker> it can be a normal item, which is always blessed/fooproofed/enchanted 18:40 goodnight 18:40 <@riker> the chance to get a real artifact increases as your level goes up, and if you ever get a real artifact you'll get luck blade first 18:40 <@riker> cya porkman 18:40 ah I missed defining time.h in unixconf from the haste, sorry {Demo} 18:41 <@riker> dingotron: it's worth noting that i think the knife will still increase your ugifts counter, making it harder to get more gifts, so i'd recommend waiting until you have more levels to sacrifice a ton more 18:41 K2, aosdict I haven't found the reason yes, but nroom is always 1 in evilhack. so it has to put the special stair/portal always in the first room, regardless if there is already something else. 18:41 <{Demo}> well it builds now, so time to apply the nhtng patch 18:43 might be worth checking if it actually runs after install, heh 18:44 anyways I should sleep, nearly midnight 18:44 seeya 18:45 <@riker> cya amateur 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:52130 18:48 K2, aosdict looks like this is also happening in unnethack. so the vault code is not properly count rooms. 18:49 <@riker> hm that makes sense - I didn't see any changes between un & evil in that regard 18:49 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:50 <@riker> however, makerooms() should be calling create_room which calls add_room, and add_room increments nroom at the end of the chain 18:53 I'm not sure if that create_room call is ever done again with vault 18:53 the first vault is a generic room, with a high probability so that most vaults that are generated, are normal rooms 18:55 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 19:03 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 7 points, T:610, slain by a brown mold 19:04 bhaak thanks for having a look. its comforting to know we share a bug :P 19:04 sorry had to step away - dinner/family time 19:04 me, too. bed time :-) 19:05 gnite o/ 19:05 <@riker> night k2! 19:06 no not me... gnite to bhaak 19:06 lol 19:07 <@riker> ah sorry, i'm afk in like 4 different channels 19:10 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12 heh 19:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:24 "it's comforting to know we share a bug" . o O (covid-19) 19:26 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 19:27 <@riker> !gt a? 19:28 -!- guest38 has joined #hardfought 19:31 -!- guest38 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 2436 points, T:2712, killed by a rope golem 19:43 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Hum Mal Neu), 3291 points, T:1777, done in by a nova fox 19:47 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 19:47 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest61592 19:47 -!- Guest61592 has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:47 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 19:51 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 3642 points, T:4484, murdered by a bear 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42453 20:06 naga/lich spell that destroys armor isn't "disintegrate" is it? 20:06 -!- nabru has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:19983 20:08 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:20192 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Cen Mal Neu) destroyed k2's ghost, the former Adept, on T:2753 20:19 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 20:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:31405 20:25 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 191 points, T:2227, sent to the next life by a brown mold 20:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 2478 points, T:2861, killed by a magic missile 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 409 points, T:1290, killed by a kitten, while fainted from lack of food 20:47 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54 <@Pacra> dang, @microlance was having a wild run 20:55 <@Pacra> I want to know what that book heist game was like 20:57 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 735 points, T:3271, dismembered by a rothe 21:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a lynx, on T:13571 21:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1378 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1224 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:84188 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1893 21:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:33817 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2691 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45282 21:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45284 21:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:34327 21:32 and this is why I play female characters. 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:45296 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:45296 21:37 <@Sig> Bouquet: I accidentally rolled a male earlier. Knowing my luck this’ll be the one time I actually get polymorphism 21:37 the C++ inheritance hits! 21:39 <{Demo}> lol 21:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:85367 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3342 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:45800 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1303 points, T:3551, killed by a dingo 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46508 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:28233 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:85679 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:85680 22:04 F 22:04 No boulders to flesh? 22:09 <@Pacra> F 22:13 !who 22:13 K2: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] Bliss56 [nh370] JimH [nh370] TIG [nh4] davidkent [slex] hackedhead [fh] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 22:18 [hdf-us] [slex] davidkent (Ele Asg Fem Cha), 1136 points, T:879, killed by a monster (Uniform Kaptain) 22:30 <@Pacra> @K2 oh dear 22:31 hi 22:31 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 22:31 <@Pacra> I didn't realize an adventurer stole my bell 22:31 yeah that can happen 22:31 <@Pacra> time for a hilarious backtrack while rodney annoys me 22:32 when you get a chance, look though this - https://hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc 22:32 there's a section labelled #emergencies 22:32 look at the MSGTYPE=alert for stole/steal 22:33 and welcome to the 'oh shit who stole what??' club ;) 22:36 K2: usually what was stolen is not a question 22:36 but who and when 22:37 the 'what' is part of the disbelief of what was just stolen 22:37 'no WAY my amulet og yendor was stolen!' 22:37 of 22:37 the denial phase 22:37 then there's the 'wtf is my ttyrec' phase 22:38 and then the 'omg whew' phase when you find it and get it back 22:38 <{Demo}> and then the oh shit I died while trying to recover it phase 22:38 ^ sub-phase 22:39 Whew 22:39 hi k2 22:39 o/ 22:45 seems like it's fairly easily fixed with a MSGTYPE? 22:46 MSGTYPE=stop ".*steals the Amulet|Bell|Candelabrum|Book of the Dead.*" or something 22:48 not stop 22:48 you want that to be an alert 22:48 well, stop would work in vanilla for rodneystealing 22:49 it can but its easy to blow right through a stop msg and not notice it 22:49 we're not talking about vanilla anyways 22:50 anyway this doesn't change my point 22:50 sure 22:50 set up your messagetypes so that this doesn't happen :) 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 75 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48539 22:52 YASI: Have Croesus put a gold statue of himself in Fort Ludios, in variants where that's possible. 22:53 <@Pacra> man I haven't the foggiest idea where this bell is 22:54 <@Pacra> I don't even remember when I saw it last 22:54 <@Pacra> !log pacra 22:54 and so we've entered the 'wtf is my ttyrec' phase 22:59 <@Pacra> I almost went into {demo}'s "oh shit I died" phase 22:59 <@Pacra> when another adventure stole and wielded vorp 23:00 rogue player monster? 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1101 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1120 23:10 <@riker> ok, nethack history question 23:11 <@riker> what's up with the /**/ after all the extern int function defs in cmd.c 23:11 <@riker> example: extern int NDECL(doapply); /**/ 23:11 <@Pacra> @K2 yes, very scary, that 23:11 <@riker> it's just an empty multiline comment directly after each? 23:14 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:67, killed by a grappling hook 23:14 rare death, that 23:15 <@PsyMar> @derrickcreamer my guess is, if they decide to comment out a segment, that'll end the comment? 23:15 <@PsyMar> that's all I can think of 23:15 <@PsyMar> ... 23:15 <@PsyMar> @riker sorry for the mis-tab/ping 23:15 <@riker> not a problem 23:16 <@riker> dunnno about derick though 23:16 <@PsyMar> yeah. I know, don't know why your name pings him 23:16 <@PsyMar> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 23:16 <@riker> psy: possibly, but that's a bit odd considering it's been like that since '89 23:16 <@PsyMar> not gonna delete it into a stealth-ping though 23:16 <@riker> not before then though! 23:16 <@riker> :) 23:16 <@PsyMar> my guess is, there was a reason in '89 23:16 <@PsyMar> and there isn't now 23:16 @Pacra: some player monster in Splicehack stole the amulet from me on Astral and - in the same turn - teleported to its altar and offered it ending my game. 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3175 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:88651 23:19 <@Pacra> @bouquet that's the rudest dude I've ever heard of 23:25 <@derrickcreamer> 👀 23:25 <@derrickcreamer> hello there...yeah, discord's idea of who to autocomplete is weird. 23:26 Did you find it, Pacra? I'm watching your ttyrec and the last place I see it is Dlvl45 23:26 looks like you picked it up turn 88660 23:28 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 23:29 <@Pacra> yeah, I did find it, backtracked 10 levels and went to every multidrop square 23:29 <@Pacra> didnt break out the tty 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2122 points, T:4696, killed by a rothe 23:30 <@Pacra> @bouquet how is... how do you defend against an astral monster amulet steal+immediate teleport+offer 23:31 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:32 <@riker> it was a bug 23:32 <@riker> they shouldn't be able to teleport 23:37 It was an amazingly hilarious bug. AntiGulp was mortified! 23:37 I definitely chuckled. 23:38 the game right before that I got decapitated by a player monster 2 steps from the high altar. 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (arch-lich), on T:36299 23:42 <@Pacra> oh lordy 23:42 <@Pacra> tsurugi? 23:42 Decapitated 23:42 Not bisected 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 318 points, T:893, killed by a brown mold 23:42 <@Pacra> ah right 23:43 <@Pacra> rip k2 23:43 tbt to the time Dingotron got Famine'd and fainted 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a black pudding 23:43 while holding a cockatrice corpse. 23:43 With the high altar in sight. 23:43 <@Pacra> brutal 23:43 <@Pacra> is splattv still a thing 23:44 I know it exists but beyond that idk 23:46 <@Pacra> splattv used to be run on termcast.org 23:46 <@Pacra> looks like it isn't around any more 23:46 <@Pacra> a splattv for variants would be highly entertaining 23:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:37362