00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a bone axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:36921 00:03 -!- bobbyd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:61671 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:942 00:17 <@luxidream> bees eat royal jelly 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1157 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Crom, on T:39126 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1746 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law), 888 points, T:2178, poisoned by a snake 00:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32 -!- nabru has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:42 {Demo} yes, inediate polyforms are only exempt from normal 1 hunger/turn 00:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:63453 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63455 01:22 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- aioe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37 gnite all 02:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:32 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) stole 450 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Budereyri's general store, on T:10255 03:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:27 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:31 (backscroll) now I'm going to add a monster called "carnivorous nymph" to slex because harharhar :D 03:32 What's that? 03:32 well, a nymph that eats meat, in response to aosdict saying that nymphs should probably be herbivores ;) 03:32 I mean I agree that they'd probably be herbivorous, but SLEX is silly enough that it can also have carnivorous ones :D 03:33 for every animal the other nymphs don't eat, the carnivorous nymph eats three 03:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:39 I didn't realise nymphs would eat anything. 03:39 Wouldn't they be easier to catch if they hang around eating corpses? 04:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:05 What are you saying about Medusa? 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 10 points, T:141, killed by a jackal 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:866 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 450 points, T:1409, killed by a giant bat 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:457 04:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:729 04:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1870 04:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1893 04:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:57 !tell hothraxxa congrats, fantastic game! 04:57 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 05:00 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:01 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 05:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:04 Heh 05:04 A nymph stole my tin of spinach and then died to a dart trap. 05:10 beholder doesn't appear to be announcing when i do things? (i don't really care) 05:10 oh i know. I have the turncount thing set high 05:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41 What did you do? 05:41 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 05:42 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:45 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:45 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5110 05:49 dammit 05:50 i'm not sure how i feel about this asking if you want to unlock the door/chest thing. Is that a 3.7 thing? pretty cool i guess. I used to always abuse Wisdom bumping into locked doors 05:52 yeah it's in 3.7 05:52 I like it 05:52 isn't autoopendoors in all variants nowadays? I'd be shocked if 3.7 didn't have it by now 05:53 it prompts you whether you want to unlock a locked door/chest with a tool 05:53 oh that unnethack thing... I was right when I said vanilla is a variant of unnethack :P 05:53 unnethack was there first and is the real vanilla, everything else is a variant of unnethack! 05:56 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Mon Hum Nbn Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5078 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:11325 06:11 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Mon Hum Nbn Neu) made their first wish - "blessed amulet of ESP named Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:6968 06:11 <@Suzune Takada> wow artifact blast is painful 06:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 148 points, T:310, killed by Mr. Beddgelert, the shopkeeper 06:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 06:25 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Mon Hum Nbn Neu), 15491 points, T:8656, defeated by a bullet ant 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:16274 06:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1282 06:29 a dagger "entrusted" by Tymora. thanks very much Tymora. 06:32 amy: yeah vanilla has had auto open doors since at least 3.6, but now if you walk into a locked door and you have a locking device in your inventory it will ask if you want to unlock it with your lockpick/key etc. 06:32 same with looting chests 06:34 suzune takada: I found a wand of wishing in a shop on like DL2 or 3 and wished for all my gear, and then went for the eye (completely forgetting about the blast), and obviously I was only like a few hundreds turns into game so i died 06:37 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:38 rebatela: yeah, that feature is from unnethack (like so many other 3.6/3.7 features) ;) 06:43 at least that's the kind of mistake you only make once 06:45 I wish other roles got hungerless casting 06:52 larientelrunya: sweet! 06:53 i dont' like a lot of the "hold your hand" aspects of some variants, but we've discussed this 06:53 oh right you're the player who actually wants to fall into water, or die to a poisoned dart trap that was obscured by an item :P 06:54 they key thing seem ok i guess, but it doesn't really make it more efficient. Like, on a chest usually I check for traps several times and then attempt to unlock, and if the chest is already unlocked, it asks fif you want to lock and I say no. and then #loot 06:54 and yes, that's me ;) 06:55 I think fat fingering into lava should be instadeath 06:55 oh wait you can't disable the autounlock thing? laaaaaame 06:55 oh maybe you can... I didn't turn it on , but maybe it's just default 06:55 I haven't played nh in a couple months 06:55 I have a giant monk in evilhack with the amulet (stolen back from rodney) ready to go to planes I think? 06:56 huh?! but we have corona now, surely you have endless amounts of free time to play? ;) 06:56 I know... but I've been putting it off as long as I could 06:56 been reading a lot, movies etc. 06:56 haha 06:56 Now im back to my love- nethack 06:57 there's still a couple books that I want to read, but they're actually for bridging long waiting periods at train stations ;) 06:57 except that currently all of my train tours have been cancelled 06:58 this giant monk has both eyes and PYEC (and amulet) 06:58 i have these staves that aid spellcasting so I can actually cast polymorph (as a dumb GIANT) 06:58 heh, but can you also become capable to cast finger of death as a barbarian in evil? ;) 06:59 and more importantly I can haste myself/cast reflection (which is cumulatvie) so it frees slots... don't need speed boots or helm and I'll be able to wear lifesaving since I dont need amulet of reflect 06:59 I could probably cast it if I was wielding the staff of war 06:59 it cuts the fail rate in half... 07:00 ah the reflection spell from sporkhack? doesn't that like cost a ton of mana because it constantly needs to be refreshed? 07:00 so the staff of matter allows me to cast poly 07:00 yeah... before i go to planes I need to drop the amulet and cast those spells so they last through rest of game 07:01 lol eh still allows you to drop the amulet to cast spells easily? I thought that was fixed? but maybe you're on an old version 07:01 also 10 bucks says the "fix" is the same as unnethack's, where the amulet can also warp away before you've ever had it, meaning that Cthulhu will respawn, warp to it and trouble you some more :P 07:01 what??? 07:02 that's all new to me... I know in vanilla dropping the amulet and casting (even on astral ) is pretty common 07:02 IIRC evilhack pulled the unnethack change where if the amulet is dropped, it has a 1 in 4 or so chance to randomly teleport away 07:02 right... I remember 07:02 ugh 07:02 which would be fine if it just did so when you drop it, but in un it also does if it drops as the result of you killing Cthulhu 07:02 and Cthulhu is covetous and resurrects endlessly... you see where this is going :P 07:02 wellthat's why I'm playing vanilla. and then I'm going to start a new evilhack game. I'm SO RUSTY 07:03 i only am wearing 3 pieces of armor and am about to have -49 AC 07:03 662 hp 07:04 <@microlance> guess he didnt appreciate my green dragon killing his priest and then saccing a white unicorn on his altar :/ 07:04 lol that's incidentally also the amount of AC my current slex char has (who is on Gehennom:62) 07:04 and like I said, I'll be able to wear lifesaving i have a million of them. something i never can do 07:04 wow 662 max HP is a lot for vanilla 07:04 no EH 07:04 although i've done that in vanilla 07:05 huh there are two rebatelas on the server? 07:05 one's playing vanilla and one's playing EH 07:06 i want to play the EH game, but monster generation is currently at 8x 07:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06 rodney's already stolen amulet once and done the double trouble thing, but I got it back 07:06 that's insane... 1 monster per 9 turns or so? when the normal rate is 1 monster per 72 07:06 i'm just so out of practice 07:07 it's crazy. no social distancing, that's for sure 07:07 methinks i will tame this sea dragon 07:07 oh nvm. blue dragon 07:09 oh yeah rodney stole PYEC from me too, so he had instant MR 07:10 just melee'd him with martial arts... Grand master martial arts as a giant monk in EH is BADASS. I should have weaponless going if not for pickaxe accident 07:10 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:10 it's always the pick-axe :/ 07:11 YANI: a shovel or other type of tool that can be used for digging but only does 1d2 damage and doesn't count as hitting with a weapon 07:13 the pickaxe is what makes the conduct hard 07:13 If they didn't count pickaxe I'd have dozens of weaponless acensions. I don't really care about conducts. I play with martial arts because i like to 07:14 YANI: digless conduct, fulfilled by never digging out any tile via pick-axe, wand/spell of digging or similar means 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:481 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:11788 07:14 in EH you get an extra turn at grandmaster martial arts.... 07:14 I'm trying to decide if i need to bring a bunch of boulders to the planes... I think the riders just go right through them 07:15 they must, or it would be too easy 07:15 maybe they can even eat the boulders :D 07:16 lol 07:16 but yeah these staffs are awesome.. I even wished for one 07:16 for ex. I can cast polymorph at 62% fail, but if i wield the staff of matter it goes down to 12% 07:16 oh so it actually reduces fail rate by a flat 50%? 07:17 seems to 07:19 i think i'm going to hide amulet under a boulder while I go haste/reflect myself somehwere 07:19 somewhere safe? with 8x generation and rodney not happy w/ me ? lol 07:20 but if i try to drop it under boulder it might warp? that's ok I have detect treasure 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1161 07:33 although it's committed to the evilhack source it's not implemented in the game you're currently playing 07:35 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:36 (so feel free to drop it, you'll be fine) 07:36 it'll be in evilhack 0.5.0 though 07:37 which from what I understand will be released soon :tm: 07:38 0.50 will apparently also have a special branch which I dubbed "K2-Büschelmädchen" ♥♥♥ 07:40 bush girl? 07:41 heh, almost ;) "bundle girl" 07:41 you really nicknamed it the K2 vagina level 07:41 oh 07:41 misunderstood the german then 07:41 lol 07:42 also who is the ice queen? is that some movie that I didn't watch? 07:42 either the evil one from narnia or a frozen reference maybe? 07:42 ah, K2 said something about frozen so I guess it's that 07:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:45 yeah 07:46 its like an evil version of elsa 07:46 the white witch of narnia could stone you, we already have that with medusa 07:46 plus mini-me loves frozen 07:47 but she's not actually evil, I see you made her neutral ;) 07:47 also wtf she has an inner goddess that spawns when she's defeated? 07:48 are you suggesting chaotic = evil 07:48 tsk tsk 07:49 I think Elsa was originally meant to be evil in frozen 07:49 vaguely recalling hearing that 07:49 but she was too likeable or something 07:50 i wonder how many times i've killed rodney so far. I know it was a bunch when I was playing this game before. just martial arts him again 07:51 maybe because it's Disney, they can't have truly evil characters ;) 07:51 LarienTelrunya did you read the 'verbalize' lines in the commit? 07:52 LarienTelrunya disney has some very evil characters. snow white and the seven dwarves, the queen in that story is very nasty 07:52 K2: ah, haven't looked at everything yet; now it makes more sense :) (not wanting to spoil it for other players) 07:52 i cant let mini-me actually die :P 07:53 yeah, after all she's such a cute Bü-schel-mäd-chen! 07:54 what do you mean by 'bundle' btw 07:54 haha just saw that she also taunts you while still hostile :D 07:54 why you gotta call my own kid names? 07:54 tried to figure it out from context, still lost 07:54 'Bü-schel-mäd-chen' heh 07:55 amateurhour: long hair that hangs from the head in the form of a bundle ;) (german "Büschel", not sure if there's a better translation) 07:55 K2: that just means "bundle girl"; imagine me saying the word in a happy singing voice though ♥ 07:55 hah 07:55 ok brb phone call 07:56 when I'm excited I often pronounce words in a happy singing voice, for example when my roommate saw my new nail polish I sang "Fin-ger-nä-gel!" (meaning fingernails) :D 07:57 k2 i'm getting ready to ascend your silly game (maybe) 07:57 how silly 07:57 oh i don't really think it's silly 07:57 i f'ing love it actually 07:58 just took a long needed break. I'm probably playing like 3 versions ago 07:58 :P 07:58 have you added branches or anything major? 07:58 I'm obviously going to roll a character when i splat 07:59 no you're on 'latest' version 07:59 i have both eyes, PYEC, amulet of yendor etc. 07:59 oh ok cool 07:59 0.5.0 will release either today or tomorrow 07:59 i have a few more things to wrap up 07:59 perfect timing for me lol 07:59 heh 08:00 any general tips for the planes? I have played them all except astral 08:00 giant monk who can spellcast 08:00 althought with the amulet it will suck. I'm still going to cast magic missile though 08:00 the elemental planes arent much different from vanilla 08:00 astral is where it gets nuts 08:00 yes. I've played them 08:01 all except astral 08:01 i did fine until that thing strangled me 08:01 ugh brb 08:01 and water was the last plane i had done all the others 08:01 yeah in vanilla i just run through the planes 08:06 but seriously. "silly" was a total joke. I loved Gehennom and all the demon's lairs. Very well done. Even sparring with rodney is fun 08:07 can you heal easily in your evilhack game rebatela? on astral my hitpoints kept melting like snow. 08:08 i have full healings, nurse meat, can cast extra healing, and I'll be able to wear lifesaving 08:09 and have a million lifesaving amulets 08:09 I've never worn lifesaving, but i'm not used to being able to cast reflection so it frees the amulet slot 08:10 Nice, you'll be fine then :-) 08:10 i just put a boulder in the entrance to this tiny shop, and am using the shop to cast reflection and haste (they stack ) 08:10 it's hard to find a quiet spot with 8.0 monster generation (playing a lONG game ) 08:11 have u ascended mobileuser? (evil) 08:12 i was a few steps from astral portal and died. that's as far as i've gotten 08:12 but i wasn't a giant 08:12 I have one evilhack ascension I am extremely proud to say :-) 08:14 I was very glad BTW that potions of paralysis still work on the Riders (if not on their steeds) 08:15 wow it's not evilhack at all, more like easyhack 08:15 needs fixing asap 08:15 :^) 08:16 I must admit I wonder if that changes in 0.5 ;-) 08:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 357 points, T:312, killed by a riding accident 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13781 08:19 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:19 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 08:19 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:26 mobile user give me some tips please i think i'm about to do this 08:26 i'm a giant monk who spellcasts lol 08:27 and yeah, don't talk about things being easy on here. K2 has big ears ;) 08:27 last time I got strangled to death on water plane after doing all the others... never made it to astral 08:28 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 08:28 i was just about to geno black dragons, but I watched hothraxxa do the purple rain thing but instead it was black dragons... 08:28 they scare me so much though lol 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2014 08:31 think that was nerfed as well wasn't it 08:31 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:32 maybe I'm misremembering 08:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1231 points, T:2081, killed by a wolf, while praying 08:35 Sorry rebatela I am still learning about evilhack, I am afraid to give wrong tips... 08:36 no worries. 08:37 i've been playing since the beginning. I suck compared to most of the others playing it, but it is so fun 08:37 btw it's Mobi Leuser not mobile user 08:37 (only joking) 08:37 lol 08:37 my bad ;) 08:37 hehe 08:37 hi 08:37 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:38 I agree with the fun verdict 08:38 morning 08:38 i have 'digital' drill this weekend, was on a conf call 08:38 what role were you playing when you ascended Mobi? 08:38 sounds awkward 08:39 Orcish Priest 08:39 NICE! 08:39 yeah priest was my jam in vanilla until I switched to monk 08:39 I like priest so much 08:39 yeah i like spellcasting, but still being able to fight 08:40 hence i pretty much only play monks 08:40 I've still not ascended a priest I think, can't see the appeal 08:40 a priest is a walking altar 08:40 monk seems the most fun role, though I must admit I often give up on the spellcasting lol 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:369 08:40 there are some pretty cool advantages... you don't need altars. start with holy water. can always tell BUC status 08:41 yeah i just hid the amulet under a boulder so i can spellcast.. spellcasting sucks with the amulet, but magic missile at level 30 does a lot of damage... 08:41 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1027 points, T:3164, killed by a gas spore's explosion 08:41 especially if you bounce it right 08:42 I have never gotten to level 30 I don't think lol 08:42 usually play vegan as monk, so no wraith corpses 08:42 well most people dont, but if you are a spellcaster MM does more damage depending on level 08:42 Oh The Mitre of Holiness as Priest 08:42 massive advantage 08:42 yep 08:43 +1 MC 08:43 maybe a spellcasting knight would be pretty dope 08:43 i have mc3 in this game, but I'm wearing a +6 ring of protection and dragonhide gauntlets of protection 08:43 knight + magic missile is deadly 08:43 OP even 08:43 oh yeah, with the mirror? 08:44 I might play knight next in EH 08:44 (after I splat) 08:44 don't splat :-) 08:44 heh. ok 08:44 if at any point you feel like dying, just don't? 08:44 i have both eyes (aethiopica and overworld) and PYEC 08:45 rodney has stolen the amulet and PYEC (giving him magic resistance instantly) that was fun ... 08:45 thought it was over. double trouble and all tha t 08:45 but then I took a break for a couplemonths and trying to remember what to do 08:46 you should take the amulet to the elemental planes 08:46 Now i have the amulet hidden and am just relearning spells etc. 08:47 I should? I never though of that! 08:47 I'm here to help :) 08:47 (Y) 08:47 appreciate it 08:47 rebatela once you make it to astral, dont let yourself get surrounded by angels 08:47 ok. so try to keep moving ? 08:48 this is what i want to hear.. thank you 08:48 neither reflection nor MR completely negates angels shower of missiles 08:48 right. I knew that 08:48 i have like 660hp and high -40s AC 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:955 08:48 also set up a msgtype alert for if something steals from you 08:48 you'll want to know if a player monster grabs the AoY from you right away 08:49 ahhh like an npc? 08:49 yeah 08:49 ugh 08:49 has that happened yet to anyone? 08:49 LarienTelrunya: [backscroll] is it still "an unnethack thing" if it came from xnethack's implementation and was submitted by me 08:49 hp and ac are good, but have !oFH on hand 08:49 yep 08:49 maybe at some point you'll be claiming that nethack 3.12 is a variant of xnethack :P 08:49 rebatela yes it has, myself included 08:49 i have nurse meat and lots of full healing and i will keep in open inventory... I've also managed it so i can wear lifesaving and havve lots of them 08:50 have wands of tele on hand too 08:50 of course 08:50 and wands of death 08:50 well you've asc before so you know 08:50 i got that covered 08:50 sounds like you're good to go 08:50 just don't teleport riders/corpses 08:50 but yeah dont fuck around, get to an altar asap 08:50 right 08:50 keep moving 08:51 that's what i do in vanilla anyway 08:51 assert dominance over the game and do a double grand tour for style points 08:51 heh 08:51 and if you have markers to use, make some cursed geno and setup a purple rain thing (or black dragons, whichever) 08:51 in vanilla i cando stuff like that. I just really want to ascend this game ( and I will.. maybe not today) 08:51 k2: yeah that's my plan 08:51 'purple rain' is nerfed somewhat for 0.5.0 08:52 i watched hothraxxa do the black dragon rain. first time i've seen that 08:52 will still be a viable tactic but you wont be able to clean out astral with it either 08:52 is black rain nerfed? not sure if slow digestion works for those 08:52 i have magic harp too 08:52 and lots of taming scrolls 08:52 ah good one 08:52 slow digestion prevents any engulfer from digesting you 08:52 and can cast charm 08:52 that's what I used a lot of 08:52 (or monster wearing slow digestion) 08:53 i can't be engulfed anyway though right ? 08:53 ah giant 08:53 look at my game.. the soko upstairs where my stash is is in that room 08:54 i'm standing on the upstair actually the H 08:54 haha what am I seeing 08:54 if rodney shows up he can't even fit in the room 08:54 you're seeing 8.00x monster generation lol 08:54 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2847 08:55 pat's got your stash 08:55 >:( 08:55 damn pat 08:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56 no he doesn't 08:56 didn't he take some stuff from your stash just then? 08:56 but he confused himself and read cursed tele 08:56 stash is under that boulder 08:56 oh 08:56 other giants are my only concern 08:56 smart 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 743 points, T:1662, killed by a gnome lord 08:57 a giant spider of Mog, no less! 08:58 damn you Mog 08:58 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:241 09:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:04 Some lessons take longer to learn, I guess. 09:05 <{Demo}> now why did one say of Mog, why did one not? hmm 09:05 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05 Yeah I don't know. 09:06 !lastgame 09:06 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Karnac/nethack/dumplog/1586003681.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gargor/nethack/dumplog/1586002910.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1586005143.dnh.txt 09:06 was there more than one spider? 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:709 09:06 from backscroll: rebatela, the riders just move past boulders but you can block the other mosnters with them 09:06 hothraxxa: Message from mobileuser at 2020-04-04 04:57 EDT: congrats, fantastic game! 09:06 Not that I saw. 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 360 points, T:723, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 09:06 thanks mobileuser 09:07 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:07 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:07 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:07 hey hothraxxa congrats! 09:07 thanks. i'm really happy with that game. as you know it was severely buggered at one point 09:08 turns out to be one of my fastest evilhack games, if not the fastest 09:08 {Demo}: The first was poison, the second was just HP damage. 09:08 also, back-to-back evilhack 09:08 !streak hothraxxa 09:08 Tangles: [hdf-us] hothraxxa Max[xnh]: 3 (2019-03-31 - 2019-05-28). Current[evil]: 2 (since 2020-03-22). 09:08 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 17608 points, T:1059, killed by a giant bat 09:09 very impressive hothraxxa! 09:09 thanks 09:10 rebatela: my giant wizard ascended using spells of reflection and haste. look at my rc for the alerts you should set 09:10 for when the spells are expiring 09:12 hrm. !streak doesn't work for nh4. i guess i see why 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:144 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 156 points, T:157, killed by a gnome 09:16 dnh should stop using file-codes in its livelog messages. 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:365 09:20 <{Demo}> tangles, interesting, this might be fixed in the next version with the xhity merge 09:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24 Why are there no floating eyes? 09:25 because this is the real world, unfortunately :( 09:25 -!- nengel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the archeologist of kumma, the former Digger, on T:1855 09:28 hothraxxa: that's exactly what I'm doing... I hid the amulet and am hasting/reflecting myself.. then I can wear lifesaving :) 09:29 oh i see. yeah you get that mesasge when you are slowing down. and I guess there's one for reflection. I will DEF look at your rc. THANK YOU 09:29 i have eota so it's real easy to stack those spells in a short amount of time 09:30 I haven't played in a month or 2, but before Rodney stole PYEC and the amulet from me... PYEC gives MR so not death wanding him 09:30 got them both back though 09:30 and i have all those staffs for spellcasting 09:31 gg elenmirie! 09:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:32 amateurhour, um, no, it's not 09:33 andrio, are you looking for a floating eye to eat? I've gone to the earlier levels and run back and forth in hallways until they appear 09:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2106 09:33 someone suggested it and i couldnt' tell if they were joking, but it worked 09:33 I've been doing that for about 2500 turns now. 09:33 ahhh ok 09:33 yeah I try to keep them alive in case there's an 'accident' 09:33 in fact, i need to find one in my game. dammit 09:34 thanks for reminding me 09:34 i must just reverse geno 09:34 I can tin them; that's no problem. 09:34 yeah... I like having ice boxes too 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 617 points, T:1317, killed by a giant ant, while praying 09:35 i can't deal with tinning kits 09:37 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 09:38 Tins don't spoil tho :B 09:38 giant soldiers always throw me off because they are @ 09:38 do iceboxes spoil? 09:38 they are great for cockatrice eggs, pit fiend eggs etc 09:39 If you can find a way to eat an ice box, I'd be impressed. 09:40 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 39581 points, T:2675, killed by a human mummy 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:326 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:599 09:46 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2576 points, T:3197, killed by a werewolf 09:46 rebatela: heh glad to see the pit fiend egg joke is alive and well 09:49 ;) 09:49 i was hoping someone picked up on it 09:49 and now i don't need a floating eye! chih sung-tzu hooked it up 09:50 what's the pit fiend egg reference? 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 437 points, T:1044, killed by a giant ant 09:50 i did unleash all those pit vipers on astral. Didnt quite have the effect the fiends would have though 09:51 kind of a long story... I got a pit fiend out of a poly trap, and then later I was mass polypiling food and ended up with like 80 pit VIPER eggs and mistakenly told the world that I had pit fiend eggs 09:51 amateurhour: search nhqdb 09:52 you kind of had to be there but i got ragged on for a bit lol 09:53 I think it is now a bogusmon in evilhack and xnethack 09:54 lol nice 09:56 almost to 700hp 09:56 i gotta go for walk and buy a pouch of tobacco to roll during this lockdown, then i guess i will attempt it 09:57 i was going to geno black dragons, but now I'm thinking of doing that black dragon rain i saw hothraxxa do... 10:02 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:03 Uhh there's 3 ghosts on this minetown level. I don't like where this is going. 10:03 can I sacrifice rodney's corpse? 10:04 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1306 points, T:1928, killed by a giant ant 10:04 rebatela: yes, subject to the usual caveats around race (unless it's changed recently) 10:04 well, I'm a giant 10:05 well that was fun lol 10:05 what happened? 10:06 !lastgame fxenakis 10:06 Tangles: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fxenakis/dnethack/dumplog/1585835068.dnh.txt 10:07 !lastgame Som 10:08 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1584987005.dnh.txt 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:340 10:10 rebatela appears to be ok 10:10 heh 10:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:483 10:12 k2: ? oh you mean my stats? 10:13 rebatela: how straightforward is martial artsing rodders to death? 10:13 haven't had the privelage to find out yet 10:13 hothraxxa should know 10:13 i've meleed rodney at least half a dozen times 10:13 but he'll steal stuff so it's kind of risky 10:14 isn't that how you got your eyes and pyec back? 10:14 yeah 10:15 but i just realized i don't have eota 10:15 must have stolen it. dammit 10:15 uh oh 10:15 back to where you killed him then :^) 10:15 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 10:15 yeah... which time? 10:15 you're a vastly more patient player than I am 10:15 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 10:15 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 10:15 it's not essential but carrying it restores PW fast 10:16 I really should start spellcasting more as a monk, I sort of give up sometime after sokoban 10:17 it's much much better if you wish for the wizards eye 10:17 otherwise the power regeneration is just so slow 10:17 but many people are opposed to wishing for quest artifacts 10:17 yeah I usually don't artiwish 10:17 in evilhack you have to fight the dark one. i think that's fair 10:18 I wish more roles had reduced hunger spellcasting, even if not to the extent wizards have 10:18 NVM I DO have the eota 10:18 though I suppose food isn't really that much of an issue, even vegan 10:19 lmao 10:19 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 273 points, T:464, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:19 Well that's quadruple bones now. 10:19 haha 10:19 Died to something completely unrelated too. 10:19 i didn't want to say it tangles, but a lot of times that's how it goes 10:19 nice 10:20 maybe you can find your own bones and make it a quintuple 10:20 this is a vanilla game? I might start one and try to get to that minetown 10:20 it's dnh 10:20 oh ok 10:20 <{Demo}> it's on aus server 10:20 <{Demo}> bones aren't shared, are they? 10:20 <{Demo}> between regions 10:20 no 10:20 Yeah they are shared. 10:20 oh 10:20 yes 10:20 <{Demo}> ah 10:21 lol 10:21 <{Demo}> how often is sync? 10:21 what's up demo? don't listen to me 10:21 i did not know bones were shared between servers. Even in vanilla? 10:21 <{Demo}> considering a dnh release. just ascended a test run of the new etherealoid race 10:21 It's grotto town - the temple has boulders in it, and there's a hedrow matron minion of some pissed off god in there. 10:22 <{Demo}> ndnh* 10:22 [hdf-us] [sp] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Cha), 2709 points, T:2327, killed by a gnome lord 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1175 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:91768 10:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 10:25 this is where it gets tricky... just killed a soldier right on my altar and almost sacrificied him but realized he was a GIANT soldier. That would have been bad 10:29 Wow, Tymora is suddenly very generous 10:30 a knife? you shouldn't have 10:30 Doesn't that mean they want you dead? 10:30 also got Luckblade 10:31 I found a knife of frost earlier in a shop, so I like knives :-) 10:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 lol @ a knife 10:42 amateurhour: as far as monks and spellcasting. Yeah, give it a go. They can get basic in every school and skilled in clerical. It's a big part of why I play them 10:43 also skilled in escape and expert healing (basic in everything else) 10:44 i'm tempted to go back and killed demogorgon... 10:44 kill* 10:44 might be good practice for astral? 10:46 <{Demo}> good practice dying? 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1812 10:47 <{Demo}> i guess dying to prepare for astral is a valid evilhack strat 10:47 <{Demo}> at least i seem to employ it plenty 10:47 hah 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:826 10:57 I'll give it a go next vanilla run then 10:57 somehow lost my ring of free action... 10:57 it can't be confined, it must be free 10:58 i wonder if it got shock exploded 10:58 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pick-axe on an altar, on T:6914 10:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:59 i fear-read the messages after every close call with a shocking monster, but maybe i missed it 11:01 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 28998 points, T:1581, killed by a giant bat 11:06 aosdict: not sure, depends on whether you coded a NIH version yourself or just pulled it from un 11:09 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:13 meh the commit message says "port autounlock from unnethack" 11:14 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30494 points, T:2632, killed by a killer bee 11:14 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 11:18 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed tin of blue dragon meat", on T:67812 11:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30802 points, T:1916, killed by a giant rat 11:29 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3115 11:30 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:9679 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4258 points, T:3271, killed by a mountain centaur 11:40 So it took 11455 turns to find a floating eye corpse. 11:40 Mostly of actively and exclusively looking for one. 11:41 gratz on finally getting one 11:41 Thanks 11:42 I found a cloak of protection first. 11:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:424 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:806 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Andrio's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:1513 11:55 Go Team Ant! 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1856 11:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2412 points, T:2105, killed by a bolt of cold 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:243 12:03 Bone Town 12:04 beware bolts of cold 12:04 Mm 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1701 12:05 is there a splicehack artifact called puddingbane, or have I stumbled upon bones? 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1781 12:06 amateurhour: it's one of the random names for +2 weapons 12:06 no special properties, just rolled a good enchantment 12:07 ah right, I'll just drop this cbow then 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 965 points, T:1813, killed by a bolt of cold 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:794 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19 points, T:171, killed by a fox 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1112 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1166 12:13 :P 12:13 quintuple bones 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:575 12:18 What the heck zapped that bolt of cold? 12:20 I mean amateurhour did warn you 12:21 Would be nice to know though 12:21 wait, didn't you get killed by the bolt of cold too? 12:22 I'm not sure 12:22 Apparently there are two wand of cold bones floors. 12:22 One at Orcish Town and one at Dlvl:3 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:2512 12:24 You hear some noises in the distance. It's a wall. 12:26 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 12:26 -!- {Demo} has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27 alcohol experts: what kind of finger food or junk food would go well with gin+tonic? 12:27 Ooh 12:27 thats a nice gift for an arc 12:27 why, having a party? 12:27 aosdict: skype drinkage 12:27 damn Andrio you lucky bastard 12:29 <@Tone> stenno1: Some kind of meat and cheese plate maybe? 12:29 <@Tone> or maybe some kind of strongly flavored bread / cracker 12:30 hmm yeah that sounds good 12:31 * NCommander steals a hug from LarienTelrunya 12:31 Especially after someone gave me a bones floor with Sting in it. 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4029 12:36 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the rogue of vexana, the former Cutpurse, on T:10547 12:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4329 points, T:10023, done in by a packrat 12:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5094 points, T:5339, killed by a mumak 12:45 Heh 12:45 Apparently Sting sells for 75 zorkmids. 12:45 They know it's junk. 12:48 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49 You: it's an artifact, and I want 10000 zorks for it. Manlobbi: That's not gonna happen. 12:50 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 12:50 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 12:55 One-Eyed Sam: Only 1000000 zorkmids for this Amulet of Yendor. 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1876 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1937 13:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 13:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:44751 13:10 tame frozen spheres exploding angers peacefuls towards you it seems (splicehack) 13:10 other pets attacking doesn't seem to do that 13:10 <@riker> slashem has that too I think 13:10 <@riker> it's quite annoying 13:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:15 [hdf-us] [4k] Delraven (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 11184 points, T:2865, killed by a white unicorn 13:18 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:20 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:77332 13:21 sigh, a frozen sphere I'd forgotten about has angered the minetown priest 13:21 that's annoying 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:77338 13:22 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:985 13:22 I’ve been playing so much planescape torment over quarantine and it’s so good. 13:23 I’m dying almost as much as I die in NetHack 13:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:23 <@riker> hm, i've been meaning to get it for a while 13:23 <@riker> where'd you get it from? 13:23 I got the enhanced edition from Steam, but it’s also on GOG 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for her first artifact, on T:45140 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "the Magic Mirror of Merlin", on T:45140 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:45141 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1507 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2088 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2112 13:34 planescape torment... oldie but goodie 13:35 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:13137 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1765 13:37 the autopathing took me through the template that had an angry priest 13:37 why 13:38 :'( 13:38 temple* 13:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:40 lol autopathing 13:40 Big F 13:41 that was going quite well, had a few nice spells including identify 13:41 had an amulet of reflection 13:42 <@riker> can't reflect the priest's mace 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4250 13:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Cav Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13568 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:78075 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4320 13:46 -!- joes has left #hardfought 13:51 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of qua, the former Skirmisher, on T:14373 13:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:52 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:28694 13:54 amateurhour: autopathing is not particuarly intelligent 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4565 13:57 <@Tone> Yeah, autopathing doesn't even always stop if it sees a hostile 13:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2533 points, T:4832, killed by a potion of acid 13:57 <@Tone> Something incredibly basic that you'd probably want to resume control for 13:58 -!- bobbyd has joined #hardfought 13:58 -!- bobbyd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 in doesn't? with unnethack's autotravel I remember having problems that peaceful monsters constantly interrupted it 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:581 14:01 <@Tone> Nope, I've run through rooms where you run right past an enemy while invisible, or bump into an enemy that you initially saw from opposite sides of the room 14:02 <@Tone> Also it just runs into the nearest wall if there's a trap in the path, making it almost useless in gehennom 14:02 bhaak: there are some ideas around fixing travel that I hope to be able to link you to soon... 14:02 <@Tone> (a place where autotravel would otherwise be extremely helpful) 14:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07 <@Tone> I think an ideal solution for autotravel would be to have an option to set what types of new information interrupt the traveling 14:08 <@Tone> I'd personally want to know if I spot an enemy in another room with extrinsic telepathy during the path, but others might find that annoying 14:08 a less janky autotravel in general would be appreciated by all 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1141 points, T:2670, killed by a killer bee 14:13 !gt bee 14:14 is anyone using the autoexplore feature of the variants? 14:14 what is it? 14:15 which variants do have it? 14:16 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 47230 points, T:16032, killed by a vampire lady, while praying 14:17 <@riker> fiqhack has it i think? 14:17 <@microlance> what a way to go, choking on some slimy cube a few minutes before i would finally get a bag with the wishing wand 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:703 14:17 amateurhour: essentially what _x. does in vanilla but on one key. 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 70 points, T:344, killed by a sewer rat 14:18 bhaak: unnethack has it, hasn't it 14:18 stenno1: yes 14:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:18 where's the variant comparison page? 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47337 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47338 14:19 wait how is that in vanilla 14:19 is that in 3.7? 14:20 stenno1: no, that's already in 3.6.something 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:78196 14:20 <@microlance> give us tab as well please 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1363 14:21 lol 14:21 that dcss 14:21 i play dcss by pressing two keys, autoexplore and autoattack 14:22 no wait, it's actually "essentially what _x. does in vanilla but on one key and in a loop" 14:22 someone was complaining that _x. autoexplore in vanilla was broken, which it seemed to be 14:22 yes, it's stops after reaching the destination 14:24 no, it's that when in the getpos prompt for selecting a travel destination, pressing x just puts the cursor on myself 14:24 X too 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1693 points, T:2529, killed by an elder pseudodragon 14:24 @microlance unnethack has a autofight on ' but it's very basic 14:24 oops 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:344 14:25 aosdict: that's a 3.7 bug then. 3.6 doesn't do that. 14:26 maybe it broke when S_stone and S_unexplored got separated 14:26 isn't S_unexplored a consequences of darkroom? 14:27 i looked a bit into it because vt_tiledata got some new effect flags 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 611 points, T:1937, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 14:29 and i assume darkroom was added in 3.7 because it breaks save compat? 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:445 14:30 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 14:30 -!- dopplergange has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30 never mind, i am wrong 14:31 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:768 14:33 darkroom already worked in 3.4.3. when adding it to unnethack, I noticed that it was trivially to enhance it to provide dynamic lighting 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:814 14:34 yeah that was kickass 14:34 but i remember that it couldn't be on NAO because of save compat 14:34 that dynamic lighting looks beautiful 14:35 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1106 14:36 it added S_darkroom. I'm not sure if this is taken into account for save compatibility but if it isn't it would show wrong glyphs when loading a save from before 14:37 -!- dopplerg- has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1078 points, T:1325, killed by a killer bee 14:40 i was referring to vt_tiledata effect 0x0400: unexplored 14:40 * stenno1 uses his own wiki additions as reference 14:40 and 0x0200: out-of-sight lit areas when dark_room is disabled 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:723 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:832 14:50 isn't that 1:1 the values of the glyphs? after all these years, I still don't understand how nethack's glyph system work exactly 14:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6870 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:17730 14:55 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 738 points, T:2305, killed by a dingo 14:56 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:57 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:36, cut down by a fox 14:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:57 Oof, 0 points 14:59 <@luxidream> I award you no points, and may Quetzalcoatl have mercy on your soul 15:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c 15:02 don't talk about 0 points. that painfully reminds me that there will be no ESC this year :-( 15:02 the biggest shock of all time 15:02 0 points? thats numberwang 15:03 ESC :'( 15:04 ESC? 15:04 eurovision song contest 15:04 grand prix d'eurovision de la chanson 15:06 ah 15:06 it's similar to festival di sanremo if you're somehow more familiar with that 15:06 idk why you would be 15:07 * aosdict isn't into music festivals 15:07 but this is the thing casually referred to as "eurovision" right? I've heard of that 15:07 yeah, that's it 15:07 its not a festival, its a contest 15:07 it's mostly a European thing. 15:07 most european + australia for _some_ reason 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2321 15:08 though australia and china watch it a lot apparently 15:08 the top reason we haven't started a third world war yet 15:09 it's not annoying me that australia are in it despite being so far from europe 15:09 but it's annoying me that they were invited for a particular anniversary year 15:09 and then kept around 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:21138 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2554 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2560 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2612 15:12 if Israel is considered European enough, then you should be as well 15:13 us as in..? (I'm british fwiw) 15:13 :P 15:13 isreal is european, yeah 15:13 you don't have to be in europe, just in the european broadcasting union 15:15 apparently russia and turkey are also in europe according to ESC 15:15 might ESC be the force for world peace? 15:15 haha 15:15 azerbaijan too 15:15 so inclusive :) 15:16 amateurhour: I assumed, you were Australian, given the wording. but for the record, the British are certainly as much enough European as the Israeli and Australian people :-) 15:16 hahaha 15:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17 israel is technically part of the middle east 15:18 dunno who thought isreal was part of europe 15:18 israel 15:18 middle east is not a continent 15:18 correct 15:18 its part of asia 15:19 * stenno1 avoids politial discussions as he is wasted on gin 15:19 hahah 15:19 nooo go ahead 15:19 does the middle east classify as a subcontinent 15:19 look at that, an American wanna teach us geography! 15:19 * amateurhour is hoping you avoid a ginormous hangover in the morning 15:20 (not talking politics, just geology) 15:20 aosdict the middle east is a region 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for his first artifact, on T:29404 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "The blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:29404 15:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 15:22 K2: but tectonically is it split from most of the rest of asia, like India is? 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:29408 15:22 not yet, but maybe after it got nuked 15:23 the question of if isreal is part of europe is a question that caused literal hundreds of thousands of deaths 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed Magic Marker", on T:29409 15:25 are you referring to the middle east wars? 15:27 the conflict that is going on since isreal as a state exists 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an Aleax, on T:25474 15:28 now is not the right time for political discussions for me 15:28 its not the uqestion that caused those deaths. its how certain people interpreted the answer 15:29 *question 15:29 i have very strong opinions 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2533 points, T:4262, killed by a fire ant 15:30 i know 15:31 i will not do political discussions, especially considering isreal, right now 15:31 alright settle down everybody 15:31 don't make me bring jared kushner in here 15:32 bwahahah 15:32 * nabru avoids political discusions at all since Brazilian politics are already an ugly trainwreck 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:27278 15:33 is there a spoiler for EH planes? I've only been there 2 or 3 times 15:34 and does anyone know where the boulder is that I put the amulet under? 15:34 stenno1: I wouldn't have posed that as the question "is Israel part of Europe" but "is a Jewish state allowed to exist in the Middle East at all". which is much more troublesome on so many levels, even though certain groups were very certain to answer the question in the negative that they would start a war over it. 15:34 s/a war/wars/ 15:34 i will comment on that once i am sober again 15:34 !booze stenno1 15:34 * Beholder throws stenno1 a shot of Johnnie Walker Red whiskey, fermented by Rodney at 155 Kelvin. 15:35 drink up 15:35 rebatela no not really 15:35 i am drinking gin + tonic 15:35 i have at least 0.2l tonic intus 15:35 rebatela: there is no need for a spoiler 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:58862 15:35 jynnan tonyx 15:35 yep 15:35 ginantonique 15:36 gee-N'N-T'N-ix 15:36 since you're a giant, you don't even have to worry about being engulfed 15:36 GNTNC 15:36 jinond-o-nicks 15:36 chinanto/mnigs 15:36 however, on the astral plane, there are several npc's who can and will steal the amulet 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1347 15:37 tzjin-anthony-ks 15:37 the riders actually ride horses that can hurt you 15:37 https://hitchhikersguidequotes.tumblr.com/post/17319713714/it-is-a-curious-fact-and-one-to-which-no-one 15:37 they also have a lot more hp 15:37 <@riker> does nethack pline use a buffer, where it prints after other things run? 15:37 yeah i've watched you ascend a few times 15:37 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 15:37 a few? you voyeur, you 15:37 it's all i know basically. but i made it through all the planes except water where i was an idiot and got strangled 15:38 maybe twice lol 15:38 i reminded you you had life saving when you thought you were toast once 15:38 i'm psyched because i'm using magic for speed/reflection so can also wear life saving on astral 15:39 my last ascenion was a centaur. for the planes, i used unblessed genocide to get rid of electirc eels, then i had wands of digging and slow monster and teleport for the engulfers 15:39 right 15:39 the plane of air was brutal this time 15:39 well, I'm a giant 15:39 yes you'll be fine 15:40 yeah... I've been procrastinating I guess.. I've killed rodney 11 or 12 times. I have 758 hp etc 15:40 but i haven't played nethack in a month or 2. took a break so i'm worried about being rusty i guess 15:40 started this game many moons ago 15:40 i lost count of the times my centaur was engulfed by air elementals on the next turn after escaping from one 15:40 god i hate those things 15:41 i has to use a couple of full healings 15:41 had 15:41 even in the dungeon where they aren't as powerful, they are so bad to run into early game 15:41 aye 15:41 ihave plenty of full healings, and some nurse meat (which i've never eaten because I always play humans) 15:41 oh you can 15:41 grrr 15:42 you can't scare elementals with a horn any ore but i'm sure you know that 15:42 yes you told me, but thank you 15:43 monster gen is at 8.00x lol 15:43 on astral, i would avoid melee with death if possible. he's easy to run away from 15:43 i've just been taming swarms of dragons and such 15:43 charm monster 15:43 but i have the harp for astral 15:44 get a magic harp, enchant it to 12+ 15:44 yeah it's at 12 15:44 and it's named after you 15:44 * hothraxxa blushes 15:44 i had to wish for it 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class ;), on T:29126 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2019 15:44 i almost always wind up wishing for one 15:44 they are pretty rare . or at least in my games 15:45 i have found them occasionally 15:45 don't melee death huh? I usually try to avoid being that close to him anyway (in vanilla) 15:46 i'm level 30. magic missile does some good damage 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2216 15:46 and i've been leveling up to try to increased PW. up to 260 (and I have EOTA so it restores quick). But i know the amulet drains it 15:47 Hey reba. 15:47 confused charging 15:47 blessed 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2350 15:49 starting to run out of things to watch or listen to 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1 15:56 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 38334 points, T:2740, killed by a soldier ant 15:57 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:00 Go team a 16:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:00 even youtube seems to not know what to suggest next 16:00 getting bombarded with videos of ravens 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:60147 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) ate for the first time - floating eye corpse, on T:3733 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3733 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:33287 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33289 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1106 16:07 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 188 points, T:1978, slain by a large mimic 16:10 hmm, I just picked up 'a cheese' 16:10 I think cheese is an uncountable noun 16:11 this smells like a priority one issue 16:11 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2339 16:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:15586 16:16 This is the second cheese-related bug that has been reported in SpliceHack in the last week. 16:16 I don’t know why, but that’s very funny to me. 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed notsogood's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4612 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:72287 16:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:72288 16:22 haha, now I'm curious, what was the first? 16:23 amateurhour: it's one of those weird ones where things like "a selection of cheeses" is valid 16:23 this conversation is probably much more fun for people like me who are missing the context 16:23 I'm not sure I want to look it up, either, it'd spoil the mystery 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed notsogood's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4940 16:24 hah 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9641 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1564 points, T:3057, killed by brainlessness 16:32 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 16:36 woo congrats elenmirie__ 16:36 ty 16:37 gratz!! 16:37 thanks! 16:37 Good on ya. 16:37 :) 16:37 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 34534 points, T:5795, killed by a giant mimic 16:52 amateurhour: The first bug was that cheese was not being considered vegetarian :) 16:53 ah 16:53 meaty cheese 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:403 16:54 no animal rennet in nethack cheese? ;-) 16:56 bacterial rennet only 16:56 excellent! 16:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 16:57 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Client Quit] 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 6020 points, T:7437, killed by a small mimic 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1053 17:03 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Con Gno Nbn Cha), 18 points, T:157, overpowered by a sewer rat 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:807 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1349 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1674 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1716 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:350 17:12 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Ang Nbn Law), 742 points, T:1273, murdered by a dwarf 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:590 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:630 17:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:653 17:14 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 17:16 YANI: Track the turn a trap was created on in the trap struct. The older a web is, the more likely you (or a monster) tears through it when they move into it, destroying it. 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2031 points, T:988, killed by a human mummy 17:18 I approve of this 17:22 Ooh, I like that. 17:23 * aosdict adds another Umbire Stamp of Approval sticker to his laptop 17:23 :B 17:24 i gifted my 2012 macbook to my buddy and he apprechiated the neon genesis evangelion stickers on it 17:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1930 17:25 * AntiGulp hums cruel angel’s thesis 17:26 the sticker is just a ":B" emoticon 17:28 Sure is 17:28 AntiGulp: i don't want to brag but ( I TOTALLY WANNA BRAG) that i bought those stickers in Hakone, which is tokyo-3 in NGE 17:29 :O 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2445 points, T:3508, killed by a ghoul, while paralyzed by a monster 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3476 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3558 17:39 AntiGulp: the best holidays i had in my life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Ashi 17:39 this is the lake where Ramiel appears 17:42 -!- stenno1 has quit [Changing host] 17:42 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:42 -!- stenno1 is now known as stenno 17:44 and you maybe know the hakone checkpoint from samurai champloo 17:55 <@riker> k2: re that evilhack thing, i looked at it again and i have genuinely 0 clue what the hell is causing that, so i'm giving up and recommending an exorcist 17:55 ok 17:56 thanks for helping me look 17:56 sounds interesting, what happened? :P 17:56 <@riker> yeah, sorry I can't help much 17:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 131 points, T:575, killed by a wand 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:212 18:00 @riker no you helped a lot, we made some discoveries 18:00 <@riker> i'ts not fixed though :) 18:00 amateurhour: you know how in evilhack you'll see branch stairs in the same room with regular stairs, or a quest portal in a shop 18:01 we figured out that mkstairs() is being called *after* find_branch_room() 18:01 but dunno why 18:01 it no makea sense (italian accent) 18:03 <@riker> or more accurately, for some godforsaken reason mkstairs is running after despite being called before 18:04 The level creation code is a terrifying, arcane thing 18:05 Not *that* much of it. 18:05 The mkroom code is mostly fine. 18:05 rect.c, on the other hand 18:05 its not helping that i've had a killer headache all day. not much help atm 18:05 <@riker> this is mklev 18:06 trying to focus and blah 18:06 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1169 18:07 oh I thought that was intentional 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1243 18:07 it wasnt... just a neat side effect 18:07 but its lost its cuteness 18:07 and it causes issues if a portal spawns in a shop 18:08 like on hothraxxa's run? 18:08 yeah 18:08 I'd say that's evil enough to leave it as it is :P 18:08 <@riker> the code should work fine to prevent special rooms or rooms with stairs from having branch stairs / portals 18:08 like the shopkeeper is affiliated with the korrupt kops or something 18:09 shaking you down for money 18:09 <@riker> however, the stair code runs after, so it doesn't matter for find_branch_room 18:09 <@riker> not sure about special rooms like shops but probably the same 18:10 K2: mklev.c lines 862-863 and 878-879 look suspicious to me. Commit e6997e1886d6ec4 changed that; not sure if the "is_puddle" and "is_sewage" checks are placed correctly. 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1237 points, T:1662, killed by an iguana 18:11 <@riker> amy: hm, those look odd 18:11 not sure if they're the cause though 18:12 <@riker> they might be a reason why mkstairs is running later, but that seems like it would make it not run at all? 18:12 the reason why I looked into it is that I recently did a bunch of changes on slex's stair and branch placement code too, which also involved a lot of trial and error until I got it right 18:12 i added those so stairs wouldnt form under shallow water or sewage 18:12 yeah but as riker said, they seem misplaced 18:13 <@riker> I think they should be in the inside if statement 18:13 they're checked in the same expression that checks whether it's the bottom level of a branch? 18:13 if (!Is_botlevel(&u.uz) || !is_puddle(pos.x, pos.y) || !is_sewage(pos.x, pos.y)) { 18:13 <@riker> request: if you're going to paste code with or statements, surround the code with backticks so that it doesn't spoiler tag for discord 18:13 the first check tests whether it's the bottom level of the branch, and the other check whether a specific x/y position is a puddle or sewage?! 18:13 <@riker> discord converts ||x|| to a spoiler tagged x 18:14 backticks? 18:14 <@riker> ` 18:14 ` if (!Is_botlevel(&u.uz) || !is_puddle(pos.x, pos.y) || !is_sewage(pos.x, pos.y)) { ` 18:14 <@riker> yeah that displays fine 18:14 wtf now it looks like code on my end 18:14 <@riker> lol 18:14 heh 18:14 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/696120607884181574/Screen_Shot_2020-04-04_at_3.14.37_PM.png 18:14 <@riker> is that good or bad amy 18:15 it would be good if it looked like it does on your end, where it also looks like code but not in such an awfully small font :P 18:15 ok so you're saying the puddle and sewage bits should be in the if statement inside 18:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7 points, T:97, killed by a jackal 18:15 <@riker> check the font 18:15 <@riker> I know a lot of monospace fonts have smaller characters even on the same size 18:15 yeah, either in the "if (!somexyspace(croom, &pos, 0)) {" check, or moved to the "somexyspace()" function to have that one check whether it's puddle/sewage 18:16 <@riker> k2: somexyspace checks if that stair spot is a valid space. if it fails, then it will trigger the inside of that if statement (which finds a new spot in that room) 18:16 in fact, where are pos.x and pos.y even defined? 18:17 <@riker> the puddle/sewage checks being moved to the inside if would mean that it overrides somexyspace if the chosen square is puddle/sewage, and it just places the stairs there anyway (probably overwriting the previous terrain) 18:17 ` pos.x = somex(croom); 18:17 pos.y = somey(croom); ` 18:18 <@riker> I have no clue what the effects of those 2 checks being outside is 18:18 <@riker> but it seems like it would end up making stairs on more levels then needed, but idk 18:18 [hdf-us] [fh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law), 36715 points, T:2546, killed by a rope golem 18:18 i wont spam code here 18:19 i'll try those suggestions and see what happens 18:19 <@riker> i'll see it if compiles locally 18:19 the worst part is that the check probably always evaluates as true, because the tile can only be either a sewage or a puddle, not both :D 18:19 i.e. if any of the is_botlevel, is_sewage or is_puddle checks evaluate as true, the entire expression evaluates as true 18:19 <@riker> holy shit that works 18:20 <@riker> the stairs are actually running earlier now 18:20 <@riker> luv u amy 18:20 haha, does that mean you somehow fixed it with that info? 18:20 <@riker> i have multiple plines and at least 1 global variable set up in mklev.c locally 18:20 <@riker> specifically to check if mkstairs is running when it should be running 18:21 <@riker> previously they were telling me it was not, now it is 18:21 <@riker> which is good 18:21 show me what you did exactly @riker, see if it matches up with what I did 18:21 <@riker> it doesn't fix the actual problem - portals spawning in special rooms 18:21 <@riker> I just had one spawn in a throne room spam-testing locally 18:21 well its a start 18:21 <@riker> but it's a good start 18:21 <@riker> ninja'd 18:23 <@riker> k2 will send in a moment 18:23 <@riker> testin gmore 18:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 285 points, T:929, killed by a wererat 18:24 k 18:24 GMORE 18:25 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:6103 18:26 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 18:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 18:27 @riker: maybe add some debug flag that gives you the return value of find_branch_room(), possibly including telling you what croom->rtype is 18:27 rtype should always be OROOM; if it's something else, there is a bug 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:526 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 220 points, T:528, killed by a master mind flayer 18:28 yikes 18:28 came across some bones, I guess 18:29 although the code of that function looks like it should work properly, because if there's more than 2 rooms, it randomly checks rooms until it finds one that is a regular room 18:29 Minesflayer'd 18:29 rip nabru 18:29 <@riker> larien: already did 18:30 that's not a bones thing, can actually happen now and then 18:30 <@riker> i've got a pline for croom->rtype, i've got homebrewed functions that literally just iterate over a room's coordinates to tell you if they have a stair anywhere there, i've got like 2 global variables that are like pseudo-semaphores making sure i'm not doing something stupid and i'm not actually doing async somehow 18:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 25382 points, T:6600, killed by an ochre jelly 18:33 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:34 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:496 18:36 -!- {Demo} has joined #hardfought 18:36 <@riker> k2: for those lines I did this: https://paste.ee/p/9EZOA 18:36 <@riker> the stuff in the middle i removed 18:36 <@riker> but that's the revised form of both if statements 18:37 <{Demo}> stupid dumb shitware bot bridge thing 18:37 <@riker> what happened demo 18:37 stuff in the middle removed for this example or actually removed? ;) 18:37 <@riker> removed for this example ONLY pls do not break it more 18:37 <@riker> :) 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:874 18:38 lol 18:38 <{Demo}> it died two days in a row 18:38 figured but it never hurts to ask 18:38 <{Demo}> after being epic and happy for like a month 18:38 <@riker> yeah k2 i getchu 18:39 i made that edit, compiled 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2199 18:40 i still see regular stairs in same room with branch stairs 18:40 <@riker> what 18:40 i still see regular stairs in same room with branch stairs 18:40 2nd map load, boom 18:40 i still see regular stairs in same room with branch stairs 18:40 <@riker> yeah damn i see portals in the same room 18:41 but 18:41 <@riker> well, that helps some though 18:41 <@riker> since they're running in the right order now 18:41 cool 18:41 baby steps 18:41 damn, so I was unable to find the cause either :/ 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1765 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1798 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1112 points, T:2374, killed by a raven 18:48 need to go to sleep now; good luck squashing that bug! 18:48 I can potentially take a look later. I love legacy code. 18:48 <@riker> night amy! 18:48 <@riker> antigulp what time zone are you? 18:48 cya LarienTelrunya thanks 18:49 see you guys :) 18:49 AntiGulp that'd be great thank you 18:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 Central (at the moment), but my sleep schedule is really whacked out. 18:49 <@riker> ...... hm, nrooms is not being increased 18:50 <@riker> antigulp: the american central one? neato 18:50 Wait, so is the problem that there are two stairs / portals generated in the same room sometimes? 18:51 <@riker> yes 18:51 the problem is that a portal was placed in a shop because [something something function call ordering] 18:51 <@riker> that's part of it 18:51 <@riker> well, it's not fixed yet 18:51 <@riker> i just checked - the nrooms int (which stores how many rooms exist on the level) is mostly 1 when it hits the find_branch_level code 18:51 <@riker> not sure why, but it means that it defaults to not checking stairs/special rooms like it should 18:52 <@riker> does spl do conjoined rooms antigulp? 18:52 <@riker> since i'd like to compare this to vanilla and i have spl but not vanilla locally 18:52 @riker It doesn’t, but I’m thinking about stealing the random vault code, so I have a vested interest in solving it. 18:52 AntiGulp its twofold: branch stairs will sometimes spawn in the same room as regular stairs (not too big a deal but annoying) and magic portal can also spawn in places they shouldnt (room with stairs already, or more importantly a shop) 18:53 Spl does very little with dungeon gen, because it makes my brain hurt. 18:53 oh yeah 18:53 hurt, brain (1 each) 18:53 K2: Hmmm, gotcha. 18:53 this bug has existed for almost a year to the day 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:336 18:53 <@riker> specifically in code wise the issue - find_branch_stair should be checking croom == upstair_room || croom == dnstair_room || croom->rtyp != 0 18:54 <@riker> *find branch room 18:54 <@riker> so no upstairs, no downstairs, no special rooms for any branch rooms, which should be portals and branch stairs both 18:57 K2: Had you modified dungeon generation at all a year ago? 18:57 i had added the random vault rooms from unnethack 18:58 that gives you special rooms as found in a new des (vault.des) that makes the cool new shaped rooms and such 18:59 it was a couple commits from spril 2019 18:59 <{Demo}> props on u for finally trying to address the weird shit it caused 18:59 april 18:59 <@riker> they're room type 17 it turns out 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1186 18:59 {Demo} - hothraxxa threated to kill me. i figured maybe i should look into it 18:59 (again) 19:00 i've asked for help because 1) this has gotten beyond my skills to figure out and 2) i want to live 19:00 <@riker> ok, so something that's an issue i think, if not this issue - nroom is not accurate at the end of makelevel 19:00 <@riker> it's only increased in add_room 19:00 <@riker> which isn't called for every single room before makelevel finishes (and before place_branch is called) 19:01 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01 ooh 19:01 <@riker> so place_branch assumes nroom is 1, so it tries to get all of the stairs in no matter 19:01 <@riker> *no matter what 19:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01 <@riker> which turns off the safety checks, since it assumes i'ts better to have it all in 1 room or 2 rooms then it is to not have them (reasonable) 19:02 hmm 19:02 <@riker> source - pline("%d nroom", nroom) prints 1 19:02 <@riker> (at the top of find_branch_room) 19:02 <@riker> i'm trying to figure out what's nroom's problem 19:02 <@riker> since it's called in create_room 19:02 gdb and watch nroom? 19:03 watchpoints are your friend 19:03 <@riker> long story but the gist is that lldb + nethack doesn't work on mac 19:03 <@riker> including: segfautls that don't happen in the normal game since lldb fucked with something, it doesn't redraw the screen at all, and more 19:03 <@riker> if k2 wants to run that more power to him 19:04 Meanwhile, gdb is still broken on my mac 19:04 <@riker> ^ macs and nethack development is SO cursed 19:04 <@riker> antigulp: how has building things with clang been working out? or does your mac use gcc like it should 19:05 I use gcc! 19:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:05 <@riker> how did you manage that 19:05 and i'm not the best at debugging in gdb 19:05 by a long shot 19:05 <@riker> "gcc" is aliased somewhere to run clang instead, and trying to install gcc properly / disable that resets when I reboot the computer, and gcc is uninstalled :/ 19:06 <@riker> i've tried to track down why, don't remember what i concluded 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1957 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1991 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 638 points, T:2006, killed by a giant mimic 19:07 I’m not sure? I have packages installed via a terrifying mix of xcode, brew, and pip (for python). Brew list lists gdb, but not gcc, and gcc is located in /usr/bin/gcc, and doesn’t have associated symlinks. 19:08 <@riker> here's a horrifying terminal line for you: 19:08 no idea how to 'watch nroom' 19:08 <@riker> the-holodeck:~ rikersan$ /usr/bin/gcc clang: error: no input files 19:08 K2: literally what you just typed 19:08 lol 19:09 and it's pre-3.7, you don't even have to watch g.nroom 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1463 points, T:3656, killed by an explosion 19:09 @riker I’m pretty sure I just installed the XCode command line developer tools, actually. 19:09 (gdb) watch nroom 19:09 Hardware watchpoint 1: nroom 19:09 ok now what 19:09 <@riker> antigulp: I have those installed and no dice? 19:09 now execution will stop whenever nroom's value changes 19:10 so go load the level you want to test creating 19:10 K2: Hitting ‘c’ will allow the program to continue 19:10 @riker Huh, that’s bizarre 19:11 <@riker> i've resigned myself to the fact that this laptop has too many packages to function 19:11 (gdb) cont 19:11 Continuing. 19:11 Hardware watchpoint 1: nroom 19:11 Old value = 8 19:11 New value = 0 19:11 clear_level_structures () at mklev.c:778 19:11 778 rooms[0].hx = -1; 19:11 time 8 19:11 times 8 19:11 <@riker> i've also somehow got WSL and chocolatey installed 19:11 0 to 1, 1 to 2, etc 19:11 then the map finally changed 19:11 <@riker> what is it when the level fully loads? 19:11 (I did wizmakemap 19:11 ) 19:12 (gdb) cont 19:12 Continuing. 19:12 Hardware watchpoint 1: nroom 19:12 Old value = 7 19:12 New value = 8 19:12 add_room (lowx=47, lowy=3, hix=51, hiy=5, lit=1 '\001', rtype=0 '\000', special=0 '\000') at mklev.c:204 19:12 204 } 19:12 it referenced klev.c:204 several times before the map changed 19:12 *mklev 19:13 <@riker> hm 19:13 go down the stairs, same sequence 19:14 [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Sam Hum Nbn Law), 705 points, T:743, slain by a gnome lord 19:14 i dont know what I am looking for 19:14 again, this is officially above my pay grade 19:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 <@riker> when the level fully loads, what's the last value of nroom? 19:15 Hardware watchpoint 1: nroom <--- never changes 19:15 <@riker> ok cool 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:257 19:16 print nroom comes back 0 19:16 <@riker> hm 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Ith Fem Cha) destroyed amateurhour's ghost, the former Novice, on T:6276 19:16 <@riker> that's funky 19:16 no wait 19:17 it was still in transition, changing level 19:17 when i go back up to level 1 print nroom = 9 19:17 <@riker> ok that's about right 19:17 <@riker> assuming there's 9 rooms 19:18 there are 19:18 9 is a bit high but what do I know 19:19 wizmakemap, new level has 6 rooms, print nroom = 6 19:19 at what point was this not accurate @riker? 19:19 Does nroom start at zero or one? 19:20 <@riker> it should be the number of rooms 19:20 i dont know 19:20 ^ antigulp 19:20 <@riker> so I mean it's 0 at the start 19:20 <@riker> and once a room is added, it's 1 19:20 <@riker> and then once a second room it should be 2 :p 19:20 <@riker> and so on 19:20 * AntiGulp slaps her forehead 19:20 <@riker> k2: when find_branch_room was called 19:20 Yeah, that makes sense 19:21 <@riker> > please please please please please please please please please please please dn please--More-- 19:21 <@riker> plines gone wrong, but that fully encapsulates my mental state 19:21 right, as it transitions I can print nroom at each step and it increments 19:21 <@riker> hm, so it's just incrementing later then 19:21 ok so now what 19:21 <@riker> it is incrementing eventually 19:21 <@riker> 1 sec 19:22 so this new map that load (dlvl 1) has the branch stairs up to the planes in the same room with the regular downstairs 19:25 <@riker> is there a way to stop gdb when a function is called? 19:25 <{Demo}> yes u can set a breakpoint on the function 19:25 <@riker> demo how do you do that 19:25 <{Demo}> break function_name 19:26 <@riker> k2: can you do break find_branch_room and break add_room 19:26 <@riker> both at the same time, then try running it 19:26 gdb is pretty straightforward :) 19:26 <@riker> i want to know if it breaks on find branch before add_rooms trigger 19:26 dont know how to do that 19:26 aosdict for you perhaps 19:27 <{Demo}> gdb is straightforward, u should see some debuggers 19:28 ^ 19:28 <@riker> i think i've got it locally 19:28 gdb is really nice 19:29 <@riker> this is lldb and it's not that simple, but it's relatively simple i guess 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:231 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:341 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:392 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:465 19:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2108 points, T:2199, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:45 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 20:02 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:10 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:77968 20:20 [hdf-us] [spl] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3073 20:22 [hdf-us] [spl] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3556 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:78241 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:78243 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:841 20:35 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 20:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:78431 20:51 [hdf-us] [spl] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6377 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Helios (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1401 points, T:3523, killed by a gecko 20:55 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:57 [hdf-us] [spl] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 13450 points, T:6778, mowed down by a dwarf wrestler, while frozen by a potion 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law), 656 points, T:2338, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:14177 21:08 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:60211 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:60217 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:78845 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:60274 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:78889 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:78892 21:19 WTF, ran into Yeenogoph in the sanctum and every teleportation I shot at him became magic missile? 21:20 Maybe the Dev Tean nerfed tele? 21:20 I mean, they nerfed how it works on Astral right? 21:21 There have not been any recent changes to teleportation on Astral. 21:21 teleportation changing into magic missile seems like a bug 21:21 Bliss56: still happening? can I spectate? 21:22 That bug tried to kill my ass. No I jumped onto the stairs after luring him off and killed him from there. 21:22 does it happen if you try to telezap something else, it probably isn't limited to yeenoghu 21:23 It worked when I zapped myself 21:23 as a tele 21:23 well zapping yourself is not the same code path as zapping other things 21:23 not going back down to try it out for you. 21:23 you don't need to go back to the sanctum. just try to telezap something 21:24 we may want to have K2 make a copy of your save file if this is reproducible 21:26 I just teleported a Y off somewhere 21:27 I don't suppose you thought you had a wand of teleportation on some letter and instead it was actually a wand of magic missile 21:30 Nope, tried two different tele wands 21:30 <@Tone> do you know if Yeenoghu had a wand of magic missile? 21:30 No? 21:30 also, Yeenoghu has the innate ability to zap you with magic missiles 21:31 There was text about magic missiles bouncing off Yeeno 21:31 those could have been his own magic missiles, maybe? 21:31 <@riker> do you have reflection? 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1569 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:79565 21:35 Yes, I have reflection 21:35 so it could have been his own 21:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 193 points, T:510, killed by a bat 21:36 <@Tone> Yeen's magic missile attack doesn't reflect like that, unless it's new in 3.7? 21:37 <@Tone> The message Bliss56 saw was definitely a wand 21:37 <@Tone> tele is weird with covetous enemies but you should have seen them actually disappear to a random location at some point with all those attempts 21:37 They were "bouncing" off me 21:37 @Tone "Yeenoghu zaps you with a magic missile!" is definitely reflectable 21:37 Nope, he just stayed there 21:38 it's also entirely possible you teleported yeenoghu away, and then the very next thing he did was warp straight back to you 21:38 in the same location, giving the appearance of not teleporting 21:38 <@Tone> When you reflect his magic missile attack, you get the message "The missiles bounce off!" 21:39 <@Tone> and it doesn't reflect a ray 21:39 @Tone that's not reflection, that's MR 21:39 reflection would be "The magic missile hits you! But it reflects from [thing]!" 21:40 <@Tone> I've been in wizmode confirming this behavior, I'm quite confident that that is not the case. 21:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 90 points, T:365, killed by a water moccasin 21:40 I'm fighting yeenoghu in wizmode with an amulet of reflection and am getting that message 21:40 <@Tone> 3.7? 21:40 "The missiles bounce off" is the MR-but-no-reflection message 21:40 yes 3.7 21:40 latest 21:41 specifically: Y zaps you with a magic missile! But it reflects from your medallion! The magic missile hits Y. 21:41 also wearing comr for good measure 21:41 <@Tone> oh hang on one second, I had another MR source I equipped at one point 21:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:40798 21:42 the confusing thing here is I am not getting any "missiles bounce off" message from either me or Y 21:42 <@Tone> Reflection an no MR just says "You are hit with a shower of missiles!" 21:42 <@Tone> and* 21:43 <@Tone> I'm in 3.6 by the way 21:43 <@Tone> That's why I was curious if the behavior changed in 3.7 21:44 <@Tone> but watching Bliss56's ttyrec, it seems that either 1) the attack has changed in 3.7, 2) yeenoghu had a wand of magic missile (Bliss was blind the entire time), 3) this is some bug or other odd behavior 21:44 so, it appears that his magic missile spell does two possible things 21:44 depending on if you're adjacent 21:44 if not adjacent, he zaps you with a reflectable ray 21:44 <@Tone> Also in Bliss56's case, yeen is a tile away on the stairs 21:44 <@Tone> aha! 21:44 <@Tone> yep that's it 21:45 if adjacent, he zaps you with magic missiles, which are negated by MR and is not a ray and does not bother with reflection 21:45 <@Tone> I assumed it was a wand but that would explain it 21:45 (for whatever reason. that seems really weird.) 21:45 <@Tone> It's the attack that angels on astral have, that makes sense 21:46 <@Tone> not sure why it isn't a ray while adjacent though 21:46 <@Tone> maybe to avoid collateral damage 21:46 <@Tone> kinda weird either way 21:59 !who 21:59 nabru: [hdf-us] Helios [nh13d] krm26 [evil] oh6 [nh370] nabru [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] davidkent [nh370] Sig [un] | [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] Tangles [dnh] 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:159 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:61574 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:61575 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:81449 22:22 Poor watch captain. 22:22 He only had a plain old long sword and I have Grayswandir and someone's cat 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:81722 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:81766 22:33 So uh 22:33 How exactly does a tin of pureed newt give much more nutrition than a newt corpse? 22:33 Is it made from lots of newt corpses? 22:34 i don't think so. it should give you more than one mild buzz then 22:34 Also screw this Sokoban floor 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:81776 22:35 Almost immediately I had to use the pickaxe of shme. 22:35 shame 22:35 Well, it didn't even give me one. 22:35 Unfortunate. 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Helios (Val Fem), 397 points, T:532, homunculus 22:37 That wand was over a hole. How did the cat pick it up without falling down the hole? 22:38 Apart from that it's a cat. 22:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:81830 22:44 Is it better to dual wield with basic skill or use Grayswandir with skilled skill? 22:45 <@riker> dual wield grays + something else? 22:46 Yeah. 22:47 I have an aklys 22:47 <@riker> i'd say it's better to dual wield, but if your to-hit is too low right now then maybe later 22:47 <@riker> !whereis Andrio 22:47 @riker: [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370]: (Arc Dwa Mal Law) T:11693 Sokoban level: 6 22:47 I have a long sword also, but no skill with that 22:47 We can fix that. 22:48 <@microlance> feels good to just walk into the asshole shopkeepers with a stormbringer when they wont let invisible people in 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:81862 22:50 How do I 'radiate an obnoxious droning sound' with a drum of earthquake? 22:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:41333 22:51 <@riker> if you're deaf 22:51 <@riker> and stunned apparently 22:51 I'm not deaf 22:51 Pro tip: never eat stalker corpses while surrounded. 22:51 <@riker> ah whoops misread, if you're not deaf and stunned 22:51 Even if they're asleep 22:52 Somehow I escaped though. 22:57 R.I.P. Catnip 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3085892 points, T:81883, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1585801712.nh.html 22:59 The ogre lord zaps a wand called long 175! The bolt of cold hits you! You don't feel cold. The bolt of cold bounces! The bolt of cold hits you! You don't feel cold. The ogre lord is killed by the bolt of cold! 22:59 Congrats Bliss56~ 23:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:11302 23:09 #50 for me, yippee! 23:09 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Hob Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11541 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:825 23:22 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 23:24 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:25 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2011 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:64191 23:30 Right 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:64239 23:30 Minetown priest killing time. 23:32 Dark Matilda turns into a minotaur! Dark Matilda hits Nonesehpets! Nonsehpets is killed! 23:33 Yes pets 23:34 ahhh so giants have aggravate monster from the getgo. I thought I did something wrong 23:36 Dark Matilda's green slime is in the way! 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:64468 23:38 Do they, rebatela? 23:41 I like how she turns into an invisible stalker and then just stays invisible forever 23:41 <@riker> andrio: is that a chameleon? 23:41 Yep. 23:41 <@riker> nice 23:41 ^^ 23:41 Something smells moldy. It's a wall. 23:44 when you have mold in the walls, you need to do some serious repairs 23:46 !who 23:46 K2: [hdf-us] rebatela [evil] krm26 [evil] oh6 [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] davidkent [nh370] jigglyworm [un] SuzuneTakada [spl] | [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh370] Tangles [dnh] 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4034 23:46 370-hdf update will have to wait a bit 23:46 well, she's dead now. 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4176 23:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:64920 23:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:64926 23:55 umbire: yeah, it says I aggravate mosnters when i use enlightenment or invoke EotO. But I just read the wiki and giants start that way 23:56 usually you need to eat a house cat or something for that to happen 23:56 What's the logic for the former? 23:56 I assume because you're a giant and can't exactly into stealth 23:56 i think everything's just afraid of giants 23:56 yeah there's no stealth either 23:57 and i'm a monk which usually gets it at lvl 5 or something 23:57 not sure if you get it as a giant but it's not as much? I can't remember 23:57 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 yellow gems on an altar, on T:3104 23:57 The enlightenment/Eyes thing just sounds like the one-time "wakes and unparalyzes" form of aggravate monster 23:57 i'm about to enter endgame 23:57 i thought so too, but i was just reading the evilhack wiki 23:58 Giants automatically aggravate other monsters from the beginning and are never stealthy. They do gain hungerless regeneration at level 12. 23:58 (that's from wiki)