00:03 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 00:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1643 points, T:2716, killed by an ape 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:49899 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:49901 00:16 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 -!- stenno2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 282 points, T:1264, killed by a shuriken 00:36 howdy Tangles! 00:55 [hdf-us] [dyn] driver (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 300 points, T:748, killed by a jackal 01:12 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 01:12 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 01:12 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 01:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:30852 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30855 02:20 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:52 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 02:55 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:11 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:31 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:41 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06 -!- Tommi has joined #hardfought 04:07 Hi! We are organizing GnollHack Beta April 2020 Tournament with prize pool of $200. Please see more information about it in our Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/frmmib/gnollhack_beta_april_2020_tournament_with_prize/ 04:14 out of interest why is there a need to stream playing to win prizes? 04:15 can you not record ttyrecs? 04:16 I could not get them working well enough on my computer. 04:19 oh, viewing them you mean 04:19 ? 04:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:20 Yes, the viewing was a bit bugged, when I was using the Curses interface. 04:28 sounds like encoding or window size issue or something like that, might be worth looking into 04:32 some of us are too lazy to stream but would otherwise consider playing you see :P 04:40 It's pretty easy to get it working with Twitch Studio, if you are on Windows. I had only some minor technical troubles. 04:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:47 -!- Tommi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:10 FIQ: if I'm polymorphed into an engulfing monster in FIQhack, does the monster actually get engulfed and tries to attack me while it's inside of me? 06:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:17 That sounds fun. 06:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:656 06:20 I know satiation actually displays on the status line now, but when was that added? 06:21 I know it's a 3.6ism but nothing more precise than that 06:21 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 439 points, T:459, dismembered by a dwarf, while praying 06:23 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 190 points, T:549, cut down by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 06:25 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 54 points, T:259, killed by a magic missile 06:28 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:30 with satiation you mean "Satiated", "Hungry", "Weak", etc.? 06:31 that's not a 3.6ism, that was already in 3.4.3 06:33 at least since 3.1.0 06:35 Oh 06:35 Hmm, the article was 343 and said it didn't display in the status bar 06:35 :thinking: 06:37 Fixed in any case 06:41 hmm, maybe with "oversatiated" it referenced a different thing? the "you're having a hard time getting it all down" problem? 06:49 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1969 06:49 <@Suzune Takada> wow water demon 06:51 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2321 06:57 !lastgame fxenakis 06:57 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fxenakis/dnethack/dumplog/1585485505.dnh.txt 06:58 Oh fuck, the dNet Dark One can do that? 06:58 And not a lizard corpse to be foudn 06:59 Very unfortunate 06:59 Should *probably* mention that on his article somewhere 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2363 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:2382 07:01 <@Suzune Takada> footrice ability? 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:2430 07:06 Spell of petrification, Suzune 07:12 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Mal Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:4732 07:12 <@Suzune Takada> yes 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law), 1926 points, T:2554, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watchman 07:17 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:45 [hdf-us] [sp] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8 points, T:186, killed by a grid bug 07:46 [hdf-us] [sp] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 28 points, T:61, killed by a jackal 07:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:27081 07:54 !tell bouquet xnh game recovered 07:54 Will do, K2! 07:54 !tell aosdict backtrace of bouquet's crashed game - https://termbin.com/moso 07:54 Will do, K2! 07:55 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: :wq!] 08:01 morning folks 08:02 afternoon :) 08:02 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:27841 08:03 Hi K2 08:03 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 08:03 evilhack error message in my game: 08:03 placing fell beast <51,3> over glass golem <51,3> at <51,3>, mstates:0 0 on 08:03 Home 0 ? 08:03 Program in disorder! 08:03 yeah... 08:03 But the game loads normal after that 08:03 you can ignore it 08:04 but its a long standing bug and I dont know why its happening 08:04 can you do me a favor? 08:04 No problem 08:04 if you're playing, please save so I can copy your saved game 08:04 will only take a sec 08:05 I saved already, wanted to hear your opinion first 08:05 hdf-us server right? 08:05 europe 08:06 whats your username when playing? 08:06 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10033 08:06 same :-) 08:06 mobileuser 08:06 durrr 08:06 i see ya 08:06 was looking on au server hah 08:06 But some call me Moby Loser 08:06 clicked the wrong shortcut 08:06 hehe 08:07 ok made a copy, you can play again whenever 08:07 thanks 08:07 cheers! 08:07 o/ 08:07 going to play the gnollhack tournament K2? :P 08:08 heh no 08:08 i'm still working on evilhack 0.5.0 08:09 i want to have it out before this coming weekend 08:09 <@Suzune Takada> yay 08:09 this whole 'you have to record your own livesteam' 08:09 i dont understand why thats a requirement 08:10 they use dgl, it records ttyrecs already 08:10 *on the server* 08:10 I asked them here in irc earlier 08:10 they're having trouble viewing ttyrecs on windows I think 08:11 jettyplay 08:11 they have trouble with curses I think 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:26613 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:26615 08:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:16 the hyvannoobenpelit guys should just use termplay, I mean come on it's 2020 08:17 I'll boycott that stupid tournament because I can't use twitch anyway :P 08:17 also not everyone is using the curses interface, even though they're apparently big fans of it 08:17 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:28454 08:18 bouquet: so just don't look up darts for now mkay? :P 08:18 aosdict: Message from K2 at 2020-03-30 07:54 EDT: backtrace of bouquet's crashed game - https://termbin.com/moso 08:20 bouquet: the fix for this is already in, but it's tied up in the new version which isn't ready to release. 08:21 K2 I guess if you want to cherry-pick 44096d0 (or just edit pager.c, it's a one character fix), that would work 08:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:26649 08:23 aosdict ok 08:24 thanks, Tangles, for saying in your post what I already wanted to say. I'm curious whether that haughty lot will reply and what their excuse for keeping the stupid streaming requirement will be. :P 08:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26 * aosdict gives LarienTelrunya points for "haughty lot" assonance 08:26 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:26 Or they could use ipbt in WSL 08:26 heh, thanks aosdict, didn't even realize the assonance when I typed that ;) 08:27 No worries, LarienTelrunya! the telco networks in Au are feeling the strain a bit lately, with everyone working from home and video-conferencing, or watching netflix because they have to stay inside. I can probably manage 3M up most of the time, but could hardly guarantee it. 08:28 well, if your stream suddenly dies while playing they'd probably also not count it? that's bullshit 08:28 and I can't play at all because my landlady's router settings prevent me from using twitch or yt-stream 08:29 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:29 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest84601 08:29 -!- Guest84601 has quit [Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:29 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:28978 08:37 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: reboot for system updates] 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:26816 08:47 LarienTelrunya - 'Why make a tournament for such a broken mess of a variant? Better fix all the bugs first and obtain save stability :P' 08:47 oh where do I begin 08:48 :P 08:48 heheh 08:48 hey, it's not me who adds monsters, pesters the server administrator to update, and then says "I didn't think that would break save compatibility" 08:49 and yes I intentionally didn't play gnollhack when it was on hdf because I *knew* that would happen 08:49 you just knew 08:49 tell me the next series of winning lottery numbers, now 08:49 lets go 08:50 13, 26, 30, 34, 37, 49 08:50 \o/ 08:50 ?? 08:50 if you actually win with those, I'd like to get a 1% share :) 08:50 i'm totally playing those 08:50 Only 1%? :B 08:50 and I don't know how lotteries in the US work anyway; this is for the German "Lotto 6 aus 49" :D 08:50 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 08:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41775 08:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41776 08:54 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 08:56 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:57 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 08:58 bhaak: cash payouts for junethack when? 08:58 wait a tournament with a prize pool? 08:58 cash prize for 'ascending while not being luxidream' 08:58 picking 6 from 49? that's a 1 in just shy of 14Million shot. 08:58 what could possibly go wrong 08:59 stenno - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/frmmib/gnollhack_beta_april_2020_tournament_with_prize/ 08:59 i have seen it 08:59 <{Demo}> the pool wont last a day 08:59 yeah if junethack becomes a tournament about real money I'm out, I play to have fun 08:59 haha that's what I was just saying to K2. 08:59 I might've said 2 days. 08:59 heh 08:59 define 'intentional cheating' 08:59 i want mah moneeeeeh 08:59 i mean.. 09:00 oops i accidentally cheated 09:00 could i cheat and argue that it was not on purpose? 09:00 i fell and cheated on nethack 09:00 "Oops, I think I cheated! Sorry, my mistake, didn't mean to!" 09:00 <{Demo}> i've decided it would be unethical to cheat in this scenario 09:00 heheh 09:00 “Oh no, here I go cheating again!” 09:00 "no, I totally didn't intentionally hang up when that mumak's second attack would have procced to kill me, my internet connection dropped!" 09:00 also are the bugs listed somewhere/ 09:00 i keep hitting the 'cheat' key on my keyboard. sorry 09:00 "I did something that MIIIIIIIGHT look like cheating, but ACKSHUALLY isn't cheating!!!" 09:01 can i discover a new bug and then its not cheating? 09:01 <{Demo}> only the first time you discover it 09:01 why the hell are they making a tournament with fucking real money prizes on a bug-ridden beta variant? I don't get it 09:02 they literally released that version one day ago, and certainly didn't have time to thoroughly playtest all the new changes 09:02 <{Demo}> it is funny? idk 09:02 "hey, here's all those new items, dungeon features and so on! oh hey, and we also make a tournament! but no cheating! if one of the new items turns out to be OP, please don't use it to get an easy win!" 09:03 so its kinda like releasing a new version of slex 2 weeks before junethack 09:03 i get it now! 09:03 heh, K2 you might have noticed that I release new slex versions one month in advance, and then spend all of may playing in the hopes of finding bugs :) 09:03 :P 09:04 but yeah I used to be guilty in that regard too 09:04 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14571 09:04 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 09:04 junethack is only a facade to get beta testers 09:04 you should be releasing before AND during junethack! :-p 09:04 <@Suzune Takada> yay 09:05 <{Demo}> i like that they announced it 2 days before it starts 09:05 I also hope to throw in a bug ridden variant of my own for junethack 09:05 <{Demo}> that way i dont have to get bored with the idea before it even starts 09:05 I don’t think I’ve ever had a Junethack that a game-breaking bug was not discovered during. 09:05 <{Demo}> i couldn't even ascend last year in spl cause it was broken lol 09:06 <{Demo}> stupid amalgamation breaking my game 09:06 How dare you impinge my beautiful, bugless variant in which it was possible to ascend on turn 0. 09:06 <{Demo}> i couldn't ascend in un ever cause the wish is broken 09:06 <{Demo}> when i try to wish for things from a fountain or djinni it just says no ;P 09:07 Be careful what you wish for. 09:07 You can't wish for magical objects in UnNetHack except by using a wand of wishing 09:08 <{Demo}> yes this MUST be a bug otherwise id have ascended 09:08 How often do you wish from other sources in vanilla? 09:09 heh, I did get a turn 1 ascension in splice :P 09:09 AntiGulp: those filthy gnollhack heretics are adding new monsters, items and stuff! you have to outdo them, after all your beautiful bugless variant needs to have more content than theirs because yours is better and unlike them you're a nice person! ♥ 09:09 The dnethack release cycle is also built around junethack ;) 09:10 (I still kind of want to kill One-eyed Sam there) 09:10 {Demo}: maybe you aren't asking nicely enough? 09:11 <{Demo}> you're right, i need to threaten the djinni harder 09:11 <{Demo}> you wanna get back in that lamp? 09:11 Have your pet purple worm handy. 09:11 <{Demo}> lol, gnollhack has a scroll of enchant ring 09:12 As of 18 hours ago they’re still fixing bugs. 09:12 they should just admit that they're trying to make us into "paid" beta testers 09:12 <{Demo}> i am so down for an epic shitshow 09:13 I want to make a tell-all, end-all post calling them out on all their bullshit :P 09:13 <{Demo}> its fine and funny 09:13 <{Demo}> as long as no one is getting fucked over too badly it is just a fun and wild time 09:14 it would be funny if people claim all the prize money in the first couple days and then after that no one plays it 09:14 <{Demo}> that is what I am realistically expecting 09:14 it would be funny if no one played it in the first place, as a "fook yoo" to them :P 09:14 <{Demo}> the pool is too small for the payout size 09:14 <{Demo}> cut the payout sizes by 10 09:14 <{Demo}> divide by 10 09:15 -!- MaryHadalittle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 so maximum $3 for a win? That's well below minimum wage, even at luxi speeds. 09:16 There’s nothing to stop you repeatedly ascending on Very Easy difficulty. 09:16 <{Demo}> yeah there is 09:16 their difficulty levels are also so incredibly badly designed... I played on very hard and it was terrible 09:17 $60 cap? 09:17 <{Demo}> it says only 1 very easy diff asc per player 09:17 <{Demo}> counts for money 09:17 things just have 8x HP or so 09:17 oh right {Demo} 09:17 {Demo} oh my bad 09:17 -!- MaryHadalittle has joined #hardfought 09:18 <{Demo}> anyone know where the gnoll changelog is? 09:20 https://github.com/hyvanmielenpelit/GnollHack/issues - issue tracker 09:20 {Demo} I'm not sure they ever bothered to create one 09:20 they never bothered to do anything properly, they're still committing pm.h and onames.h and similar files too 09:21 as well as putting several things that don't have anything to do with each other into one commit 09:24 oh right, that's why I gave up on going through the gnollhack commit history 09:24 <{Demo}> i still find it so funny everything is in lb and somehow i find that less intuitive than nethack weight 09:25 that, plus undescriptive commit messages 09:25 Interesting, they swapped to the GNU public license 09:28 <{Demo}> can they even do that? 09:31 no 09:31 <{Demo}> didn't think so 09:31 just :thonk: after :thonk: with these guys huh 09:32 lol... I did actually write that post now, and got two autoreplies from bots telling me that I used too many F-bombs :P 09:32 ngpl is old enough that it doesn't let you relicense unless you can corral all the source code contributors and make them agree 09:33 <{Demo}> fuck it, speed gloves 09:33 [hdf-us] [spl] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 534 points, T:1250, taken down by a newt 09:33 (I would interpret that as "the full consent of the existing DevTeam", and would love for vanilla nethack to relicense under something a little more common, but people like ais523 think you would literally have to find everyone, including people who are untraceable and the heirs of deceased people) 09:34 I agree. that's basically the interpretation of the law, yes. 09:35 you agree with me or ais 09:35 oh, sorry, with ais 09:36 but you can be a bit more pragmatic about it. also, lots of code has been rewritten. that weakens the copyright of previous code contributors a bit (like if you throw out the code and replace it with something genuinely new that is not directly based on the previous code) 09:36 yes but if nethack has a contribution from e.g. someone@somewhere.net from 1992, an anonymous person whose email address has been dead since 1996, what do you do? Say "well we'll never get that person's consent, guess the NGPL is here forever"? 09:36 then for some parts we probably don't even know anymore who did it 09:37 that conclusion is one way of going about it 09:37 but you can also relicense it and wait for being sued :-) 09:37 ^ do that. no one will sue 09:38 I mean isn't there like 09:38 likely. but then it is still better if you ask the reachable contributors first. 09:38 a non-profit clause involved 09:38 no 09:38 Details escape me but 09:39 yeah can they even make a tournament for actual money without violating the license? 09:39 You can't sell the game, but you are allowed to take a fee to cover cost of distribution. 09:39 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Free was thinking of this 09:39 the US has fair-use but that doesn't apply to code directly 09:39 If *they* want to give the *players* money, that has nothing to do with the license 09:39 and accepting freely given donations is allowed too 09:40 you can sell it, you just can't sell the source code. 09:40 if you said "you can have gnollhack's source code for a "donation" of $5" then that wouldn't fly 09:40 the source code has to be available for at most the fee 09:40 but nowadays, that means "free" as hosting code costs nothing 09:41 I remember some company trying to restrict the access to their source code by going the fee route. 09:41 that's how nethack legacy weaseled out of legal trouble isn't it? 09:41 which is technically completely correct and legal for GPL cö 09:41 *GPL code 09:41 they sold the game on steam, but the source code was public somewhere 09:41 but you can imagine that this resulted in a shit storm :-) 09:42 I wouldn't call it "weaseled out" but yes, that's how they did it and also how vultures did it 09:42 but Clive also asked the devteam and the variants developer about sharing some of his revenue 09:43 he didn't have to and I think we all declined. I specifically said "we are not in it for the money but if you would earn so much money that it makes you uncomfortable, you can raise the issue again" :-) 09:45 if only there were some trained professionals one could consult which would know what's allowed and what's not 09:46 alas, we must turn to randos on the internet instead 09:47 <{Demo}> hey if they were offering a bit more for the tourny we could pool together players for directing their prizes towards a lawyer to look into how legal what they are doing is, but they aren't so lol 09:48 lol 09:49 IANAL but I had two legal courses at university and I got deep into the copyright stuff and I don't see an obvious problem with the tournament 09:49 i just read that as 'i anal' 09:50 bhaak you sicko 09:50 this is a family channel! :P 09:50 jelly? 09:50 heh 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:313 09:51 I mean, we could probably go nintendo on them ... no, wait, only on the actual streamers. 09:51 <{Demo}> LOL 09:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO6hfeVqwVI 09:53 AntiGulp: how does the undertow technique work? I want to port it to slex *fleece bundle* ♥ 09:54 LarienTelrunya: Has a chance of instantly killing the adjacent monster targeted. Can only be used when standing on a fountain or over water. 09:54 if pushed, the game creator has probably the better cards. but then you have games that have a specific option to disable licensed music from being played, so that the automatic content-id system of youtube doesn't block the vids automatically 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 176 points, T:558, killed by a falling rock 09:55 ah, and what's the chance of drowning it? or is it guaranteed? 09:55 also, even a fountain is enough to drown a monster? wow 09:55 such games can probably streamed without a problem, as a court would like conclude that the game creator implicitly acknowledged streaming due to such an option. 09:55 LarienTelrunya: In the current version, not good enough, and I need to increase it. Not sure what the full calculation is off the top of my head though. 09:56 ah I see 09:56 also, you're using getdir to have the player select a location; is there a failsafe in case the player tries to undertow off the map? 09:58 Should be safe, as a monster can’t/shouldn’t exist off the map? 09:58 (Also just tested it) 09:58 I'm not so sure; it used to be possible to crash the game by trying to kick off the map 09:59 calling m_at on coordinates off the map may well result in undefined behavior meaning that it might not always crash but possibly sometimes 09:59 Fair point! I’ll take a look later. 10:00 now I have to collect all the possible terrain features which a player could reasonably try to drown a monster in... (slex has crystal water and water tunnels and stuff) 10:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:01 AntiGulp: What is the chance of killing the monster dependent on? Strength? Dexterity? 10:02 I assume it involves grabbing them and drowning them forcefully. 10:02 aosdict: Can’t remember, but the calculation is specifically something I don’t like, I remember that much. 10:02 In which case it should perhaps be an occupation (takes multiple turns, can be interrupted), and only works on non-breathless monsters. 10:04 techlev(tech_no) > rn2(mtmp->m_lev). Only works on non-breathless monsters that cannot breath water. 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:973 10:05 ah thanks AntiGulp, that helped me come up with my own calculation ♥ 10:05 so, in slex: if techlevel >= 10 and techlevel > monsterlevel, 1 in 5 chance to kill the monster outright 10:06 in every other case, rnd(techlevel * 5) damage 10:06 breathless monsters are immune of course :) 10:06 although, this means that low-level monsters may still die from the random damage it does 10:09 https://github.com/hyvanmielenpelit/GnollHack/commit/560928294f0eaada1a944d3d787110acf2cd4036 Risk free stashin 10:09 their new additions read like "hey we had this idea and just had to add it, who cares about game balance?" to me 10:10 in fact, the commit history largely looks like they just add anything that floats their mind 10:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:45080 10:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14 Nice little evilhack surprise: 10:15 The black dragon eats an elf-lady corpse. 10:15 The black dragon looks wide awake. 10:15 Monsters can gain intrinsics, cool! 10:15 \o/ 10:15 xnethack also has that feature, that's where i pulled it from 10:16 Originally from SpliceHack. 10:16 it was? 10:16 oooh snap 10:16 Yup! 10:16 aosdict rewrote it and fixed a number of the bugs. 10:16 we're all cross contaminated 10:16 has anybody made a family tree of variants yet ;-) 10:16 thank you, K2! 10:16 bouquet: Message from K2 at 2020-03-30 07:54 EDT: xnh game recovered 10:16 and my game just crashed again! 10:16 :( 10:17 mobileuser: yes 10:18 bouquet nooooo D: 10:19 game recovered 10:19 !lastgame bouquet 10:19 bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1585542447.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 10:20 mobileuser: i might answer a rhetorical question, but yes :) 10:21 there's a very nicely designed one on the wiki, but for the life of me I can't find it anymore 10:21 Is it a bizarre SMOP that makes a change to a game system as a whole? Probably from SpliceHack. Is it elegantly written with ease of play in mind? Probably from xNetHack. Is it trying to actively murder you? EvilHack. 10:21 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RwvS1z6i/graph.png 10:21 is one google found 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had an etched helmet entrusted to her by Crom, on T:5711 10:21 AntiGulp: addendum: Is it designed to make the player want to strangle the variant developer? Why, that's SLEX for you, baby :D 10:22 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Variant 10:22 Ah wow thanks bouquet 10:23 how many times have you beaten slex LarienTelrunya ? 10:23 amateurhour: 9 times; Tariru also ascended 4 times and porkman ascended it once 10:23 the latter is working on a second one, which would be a streak if he succeeds 10:23 mobileuser: the one you found are the direct forks. so which variant was based on what variant? 10:24 nice, do you beat it again after major updates? must be fun seeing all the changes 10:24 LarienTelrunya you have to win slex on a public server 10:24 otherwise they dont count 10:24 K2: yes I know... one day 10:24 also some of my ascensions were on the esm server 10:24 <{Demo}> !tell aosdict in the variant graph the arrow from dnh 3.15 to dnhslex is wrong, dnhslex is from early 3.17 devel i think so it would be most fair to put the arrow to it from dnethack 3.16 10:24 No worries, {Demo}, I've got this! 10:24 amateurhour: personally I've not beaten it since I made the bigger dungeon 10:25 {Demo}: one day I want to pull the current dnh-devel into dnhslex again 10:25 <{Demo}> you won't 10:25 <{Demo}> you'll see the new monster format and be like, no 10:25 mobileuser: that's missing lots of influence. although influence is hard to graph properly. most good stuff gets ported, so you actually need a tangled mess to properly show the relations :) 10:26 {Demo}: what? how many wholesale changes are there? 10:26 I mean, dnhslex already has the MM and MV and whatnot system 10:26 <{Demo}> go look at devel monst.c 10:27 looks unchanged to me? 10:27 K2: looks like you restored it. What happened? Should I avoid thislevel? 10:27 i dont know i havent looked yet 10:28 no coredump, this was an emergency save 10:28 weird 10:28 <{Demo}> wait dnhslex is post AC/DR split ,shit? is it 3.17 late devel based? 10:28 half my inventory was on the ground. 10:28 uhh no, dnhslex still has only AC I think 10:28 but where do monsters have DR? 10:28 I am very impressed that the history graph on the wiki is kept up-to-date! 10:28 MON("giant ant", S_ANT, //4 10:28 LVL(2, 18, 3, 0, 10), (G_GENO|G_SGROUP|3), 10:29 can't see any DR there 10:29 mobileuser: it was created recently. 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 8840 points, T:5938, poisoned by a severe case of the plague, while helpless 10:29 <{Demo}> hmm you're right, I didn't realize it maintained some level of backwards compatability? :S 10:29 <{Demo}> there are some monsters with reallly weird looking definitions 10:30 <{Demo}> like "MON("blessed", S_QUADRUPED,//21 10:30 <{Demo}> LVL_FULL(30, 18, DETAIL_AC(16, 16, 16), SLOT_DETAIL_DR(5,0,0,0,5, 4,8,4,4,0), 30, 0), (G_NOGEN)," 10:32 <{Demo}> ok yeah dnhslex is BASICALLY 3.16 i think 10:32 well yeah but those monsters can probably be ported without too much trouble 10:33 <{Demo}> yeah i think your slurm of stupid OP monsters will remain compatible 10:33 bouquet: work by aosdict if I read the history right? 10:35 <{Demo}> oh hey dnhslex still has a fun game destroying bug 10:35 {Demo}: that's probably what happened to porkman 10:36 <{Demo}> what happened to him? 10:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 10:36 he hasn't touched dnhslex since, I think 10:36 <{Demo}> no i mean what happened to his game that got owned? 10:36 <{Demo}> i doubt it was the bug? 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4416 10:36 @d?Psychopomp 10:36 No such monster. 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:26822 10:37 {Demo}: it was something with darkness invoke by some myrkalfar elf something-or-other I think 10:37 <{Demo}> tangles if he comes it means he is happy and you can have an artifact wish cause you sat on the castle throne and once you use your artiwish he poofs and he wont come again and you lost that artiwish 10:37 <{Demo}> amy that shouldn't shred saves? 10:37 <{Demo}> im pretty sure dnhslex is fucky though, autorecover for simple deref 0x0 segfaults isn't even working rn iirc 10:38 heh, I dunno 10:38 Ah ok cool - Thanks Demo! 10:38 mobileuser: I did a the first version in ~2010 and aosdict updated it for today 10:40 Gnollhack removed the requirement to live stream the tournament games and made it optional for a $5 bonus. 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 888 points, T:3338, killed by a soldier ant 10:41 xNetHack updated (all servers) 10:41 bouquet if you're still playing, you'll want to save/reload 10:41 so you can safely look at darts 10:42 AntiGulp: omg that's bullshit... discrimination against those who can't stream! 10:42 <{Demo}> Amy r u even gonna play? 10:42 no 10:42 <{Demo}> who is? 10:42 as long as there's real money involved I won't 10:42 fuck them and their stupid tournament :P 10:44 "so you safely look at darts" sounds extremely funny somehow 10:46 it is :) 10:47 The Dungeons of Doom darts tournament, now safe to look at! 10:48 “Hey, what’s this on the ground—?” *head immediately explodes* 10:49 <{Demo}> a dart of head detonation 10:49 sounds like an evilhack feature, not a bug? 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:26991 10:50 heh 10:50 A - a head-detonating dart. Your head explodes. You die... 10:50 want 10:50 hahaha those two bots on reddit 10:51 heh yeah I also laughed my ass off when I read the second bot's reply :D 10:51 "Get a working ttyrec player lol, it's 2020" 10:51 you're writing like it's 2000 10:53 <{Demo}> jesus christ i forgot how much i hated reddits interface 10:53 Reddit is only usable with the old layout 10:53 am I the only one who uses the new layout? 10:53 <{Demo}> how do i turn that on? 10:54 i got so used to the new layout that i don't bother with the old anymore 10:54 {Demo}: prepend old, so you got old.reddit.com./... or set it in your user preferences 10:55 stenno: it could be faster and a bit more space conservative but it's not that bad, yes 10:55 <{Demo}> no user ever, never registering for that god awful site and old. has ssl cert error ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID and hsts is forced and im not disabling it 10:55 every www forum sucks, after having experienced a good Usenet client :-) 10:56 {Demo}: https://old.reddit.com/ doesn't work? 10:57 <{Demo}> that works, just not for the specific tourney page 10:57 <{Demo}> oh oops im dumb 10:57 :) 10:57 <{Demo}> was trying to hit www.old.reddit.com 10:58 <{Demo}> cause chrome omnibox hid the www :S 10:59 <{Demo}> why does reddit let all these retarded bots spam all over everything? 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 345 points, T:923, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:59 i.reddit.com works for ages, so it's likely that old will keep working for a long time as well 11:00 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 11:01 hardfought has a very busy message forum at one point 11:01 had 11:02 back before places like reddit or myspace or facebook existed 11:02 Haha wow this binder hits like a freight train! I just one-shot Rodney! 11:03