00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:891 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1159 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 630 points, T:1424, killed by a giant bat 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:853 00:26 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1415 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1517 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1591 00:31 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:14 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5600 02:49 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:49 -!- nabru has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13686 03:28 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:17347 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Set, on T:24406 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:26487 03:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:32496 04:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:30270 04:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:278 04:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 1676 points, T:2988, killed by a gnome 04:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:486 04:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 571 points, T:1494, killed by an invisible homunculus 04:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:32399 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:234 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 142519 points, T:33630, killed by a death ray 04:27 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:529 04:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1162 04:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:721 04:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4214 04:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:747 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:801 04:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5021 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5059 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:5070 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5163 04:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5825 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7392 04:48 -!- pm_me_triangles has joined #hardfought 04:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9295 04:53 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11291 05:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13536 05:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4466 points, T:1339, killed by a snake 05:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:17472 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:18710 05:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:54 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:12 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 385 points, T:1528, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law), 50 points, T:267, killed by a kobold zombie 06:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:846 06:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:39210 06:44 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2590 07:01 <@Suzune Takada> oops 07:01 <@Suzune Takada> I got vorpal blade 07:01 <@Suzune Takada> but convict doesn't have long sword skill 07:01 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 07:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Punkin, her faithful kitten, on T:2779 07:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law), 833 points, T:2779, burned by a tower of flame 07:05 what weapon do people usually use for convicts? 07:05 <@Suzune Takada> luckblade / stormbringer / (spl)bat from hell? 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:697 07:21 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 2379 points, T:3635, killed by a geyser of acid 07:21 <@Suzune Takada> oops 07:51 -!- pm_me_triangles is now known as nabru 07:52 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 07:52 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:58 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3020 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3543 08:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:39 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 1713 points, T:3340, taken down by a giant bat 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Law), 3026 points, T:4045, killed by an Elvenking 08:48 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:48 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:23044 08:58 -!- Glasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:16 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 69 points, T:376, taken down by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:82356 09:25 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:25 So this is going to chage 3.7’s balance a good bit: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/3eed500886900e690a100a7370200dcd0abcd02a 09:25 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 111 points, T:733, defeated by a sewer rat 09:32 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 7 points, T:155, killed by a wand 09:33 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 4 points, T:42, sent to the next life by a jackal 09:33 <{Demo}> !tell k2 i think my 1.3d game crashed on Demo6. I don't care about the game as it was a freshly started one, but if there is a backtrace it could be interesting? 09:33 Will do, {Demo}! 09:33 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:34 <@Suzune Takada> wow 09:34 <@Suzune Takada> should be easier later game 09:35 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 4 points, T:43, overpowered by a jackal 09:36 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 25 points, T:293, dispatched by a fox 09:38 I think it actually might lead to a harder late game. Wizard harassment can produce archons now, spellcasters are valid summon nasty targets, and if something genocided is summoned via summon nasties, it will be replaced with a baby version instead of a random monster. 09:38 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 09:39 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 152 points, T:1705, mowed down by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 09:39 This is the first change in 3.7 I explicitly don’t like. Not because of the gameplay implications, but because the code behind it is brittle, even for NetHack. 09:40 <{Demo}> does this make summon swarms less likely? 09:40 Can't wizard harassment already produce archons? 09:40 If not in Gehennom. 09:40 aosdict: Yep, it can, just realized that. 09:40 {Demo}: In theory, yeah. 09:41 The commit would be easier to read if PatR didn't just git commit -a and mention in the commit message "also some unrelated formatting changes that got mixed in" 09:42 like, you can add separate files, or even pick and choose hunks of a file diff to add 09:42 sounds like a good fix to me 09:43 yes I think I'm ok with the gameplay implications 09:43 but maybe a flood of monsters ganking you is a very nethack scenario to happen :^) 09:43 AntiGulp: by brittle do you mean the hardcoding of monsters in several places? 09:43 <{Demo}> why are we unmaking artifacts 09:43 <{Demo}> what 09:43 aosdict: Yeah, specifically the hardcoding of arch-liches and archons. 09:43 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 354 points, T:1081, cut down by a dwarf 09:43 I assume that would complicate things in merging the change to a variant that adds lots of monsters :) 09:44 morning 09:44 K2: Message from {Demo} at 2020-03-28 09:33 EDT: i think my 1.3d game crashed on Demo6. I don't care about the game as it was a freshly started one, but if there is a backtrace it could be interesting? 09:44 aosdict: You guessed it :) 09:45 you could abstract it into some 'can_nasty' macro I suppose 09:45 if you do, definitely call it that as it's funny 09:45 <@Suzune Takada> AntiGulp: When I need the earmuffs in spl 09:45 @Suzune Takada They make you immune to sonic, which is useful for fighting things like demon lords and banshee 09:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 231 points, T:654, dispatched by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 09:47 <@Suzune Takada> ah sonic attack 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 534 points, T:2137, killed by a wand 09:47 is there a punny rumour like 'earmuffs protect you from sonic, but not knuckles' 09:49 I think there’s an entry in the guidebook for echidnas that mentions how much they hate chuckling :) 09:53 nice 09:54 {Demo} no coredump on that one 09:58 <{Demo}> weird, ok 09:58 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 1497 points, T:1369, eliminated by a watch captain 09:58 there was an older one already and it didnt overwrite it 09:59 <{Demo}> it definitely dropped me and then my game was gone 10:00 if we look at patching it, it will eventually morph into 3.7 10:00 <@Suzune Takada> is material of weapon/armor wishable in spl? 10:01 @Suzune Takada no 10:01 <@Suzune Takada> ah okay 10:01 Perhaps in the future… 10:02 <@Suzune Takada> but if "dragonhide cloak of magic resistance" is wishable, it would be overpowered 10:02 not good for keeping asc kit construction interesting 10:02 ^ 10:03 Plus, Splice’s difficulty isn’t so dire as to actually justify that. 10:03 * AntiGulp sideyes EvilHack 10:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:15645 10:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 10:10 you think dragonhide is OP 10:10 heh 10:10 In evilhack I now have an AC of -55 with three dragonhide items 10:11 hmm lichess is not loading 10:11 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1414 10:11 In vanilla anything below -40 gets useless but I don't know if that applies to evilhack too :-) 10:14 ah rip 10:14 had spellbook of identify and magic marker, and threw it running from a mumak 10:14 :/ 10:14 was burdened and a gnomish wizard got me 10:14 wait, since when does AC stop getting better at -40? 10:14 I thought it kept getting better up to -127? 10:15 That what I thought to understand form the wiki... 10:16 [hdf-us] [un] hyperion67 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1110 points, T:1517, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:22 That -40 number is just my own target in vanilla for an ascension run, sorry. 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:360 10:29 I usually try for -30 and then stop worrying about it 10:30 I usually go for ~ -25 and call it good. 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:953 10:34 nice 10:35 I also die on the ascension run more than I should, so in retrospect maybe I should change that… 10:38 I had a fire plane splat once where 5 zaps of wand of death missed rodney 10:38 he double trouble'd 10:38 one of them stole my eyes (only source of MR) 10:38 and the other did finger of death 10:39 or something like that 10:43 oh hi AntiGulp! *bundlebundlebundle* *kiss* thanks again for the fleecy monsters you've added to splicehack! :) 10:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon them by Tyr, on T:4476 10:48 hey no bundling or kissing. social distancing 10:49 Tell that to the foocubi 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1917 10:50 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon them by Tyr, on T:4921 10:51 :) 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:2100 10:55 -!- hothraxx1 is now known as hothraxxa 10:56 I do not like the Shaktari 10:56 :) 10:56 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5389 10:59 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) made their first wish - "+3 blessed hex dragon scale mail", on T:5415 11:02 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 11:02 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1066 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1086 11:07 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the knight of villia, the former Esquire, on T:10652 11:10 <{Demo}> autotrain skills for beginners 11:10 <{Demo}> should be an option 11:11 ye 11:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:38879 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:37628 11:30 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:7972 11:36 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 11:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9115 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:38314 11:44 <@Suzune Takada> duplicated boh 😦 11:45 Status of the scuffed Juiblex (chaotic): Level 50 HP 1504(1603) AC -17, engulfed you. 11:45 ...and yet, I can't get past level 30, or 362 max HP. 11:47 scuffed Juiblex? 11:51 Oh yeah that's a dnethack thing - you can get the ability to see how badly damaged monsters are. I think healers get it automatically. 11:52 1504/1603 is 'scuffed' apparently. 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:82486 12:00 I wonder how you scuff a slimy body 12:01 <{Demo}> scuffed doesn't have to mean it is physically scuffed 12:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:40324 12:15 <@Suzune Takada> thanks to polymorph trap, a vorpal jabberwock appears too early 😦 12:15 <@riker> tangles: yeah, but to be fair half the demon lords have god-like powers and you're not even a demigod yet 12:18 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 54601 points, T:16295, killed by a hill orc 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:39273 12:25 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12670 12:26 <@Suzune Takada> yay 12:34 giving splicehack a go as well, seems quite nice so far 12:35 not sure I know what I'm doing with these technique things yet 12:35 is there a way to see in-game what they do? 12:35 ^ AntiGulp 12:35 amateurhour, AntiGulp is the splicehack dev 12:35 oh right, sweet 12:35 * AntiGulp drags herself out of slay the spire 12:35 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) wished for "+3 blessed cloak of reflection", on T:12779 12:36 amateurhour: At the moment, the wiki is the only real guide. I’m hopefully going to have a solution to that in the next version, whether it’s encyclopedia entries or some other sort of explanation. They function the same as in SLASH’EM. 12:37 Slex handles it by printing an explanation onscreen the first time the player tries to use a tech, which is interesting. 12:37 maybe just a help option on the technique screen would suffice 12:38 <@Suzune Takada> I think spl is great variant 12:38 :) 12:39 A help button might do the trick. I’m also going to be adding a shortcut key for it in the future. 12:40 <@Tone> Archon swarms seem like a rare occurrence but that change is welcomed 12:41 <@Tone> Although I'm not sure why there are explicit exceptions for things like Archons and Arch-Liches when enemies like Kirin can also lead to summon nasty growth 12:41 <@Tone> or do summoned nasties not generate higher than base level? 12:41 @Tone that’s part of my confusion with it as well. 12:42 Specifying arch-liches and archons specifically feels like a band-aid over a more systemic problem. 12:42 <@Tone> yeah I'd have to agree right now 12:43 isn't that covered in the commit? things can only summon spellcasters of lower level 12:43 replacement spellcasters of lower level* 12:44 <@Tone> Summon nasties is only a level 16 monster spell 12:46 <@Tone> There are a lot of levels between what a Wizard of Yendor that's been revived a few times (potentially level 34 or so) could summon, and a level 16 caster 12:47 <@Tone> Unless it works off of base level somehow, but I haven't looked at it very thoroughly yet 12:48 ki-rins could summon demiliches I suppose 12:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:55 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed messias' ghost, the former Fighter, on T:1084 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:1130 13:00 <@luxidream> AntiGulp: slay the spire is awesome 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:1187 13:01 @luxidream It’s so much fun! Really scratches my card game itch. 13:03 <@luxidream> same. I quit Pokémon TCG a while ago 13:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04 I used to play Magic, but I haven’t in years 13:05 <@luxidream> Thought you would be a yugioh player haha 13:06 <@luxidream> With the spl role and all 13:06 AntiGulp: [backscroll] maybe add encyclopedia entries for the various techniques and then make the help key route to that similar to how obj lookup works? 13:06 I’ve actually played very little yu gi oh outside of mobile games, funnily enough! I just love the show for its incredibly hammy voice acting and the use of children’t card games to solve literally all problems. 13:07 aosdict: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Uses an existing system, and is pretty flexible. 13:08 @Tone [backscroll] It basically closes off another very-low-chance YAAD in the Planes, which is why I think it is good 13:09 <@luxidream> usually it’s your fault if you get archonstormed though? 13:09 <@luxidream> results from messing around for too long on air or fire 13:11 <@Tone> aosdict: Does it actually close it off, or are ki-rin and titan storms now likely? 13:11 <@Tone> either way the chance is reduced, which is fine 13:11 @luxidream yes but it can happen (with a very low chance) even if you're proceeding across at a reasonable speed 13:12 well, COULD happen. 13:12 @Tone The implementation is that spellcasters can't summon spellcasters of equal or higher difficulty. 13:12 <@luxidream> Tone: do titans actually generate normally 13:12 <@luxidream> in the planes 13:12 So a ki-rin can't summon more ki-rins, though it could summon, I dunno, gnomish wizards or something. 13:12 demiliches 13:13 @luxidream they can generate as random monsters, which I think the planes have regular monster generation 13:13 they're not freq 0 13:14 <@Tone> yeah, I just thought the special case for a maximum of one archon or arch-lich per summon nasty was oddly specific 13:14 so does bhaak apparently 13:16 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 13:17 <@luxidream> Hm, I wonder why we hardly see them compared to Archons 13:17 <@luxidream> They are the same frequency after all 13:18 <@luxidream> Titan is also not flagged as “does not appear in Gehennom”, but I never see titans in hell 13:18 <@luxidream> unless I am playing unnethack 13:23 does gehennom have a cha bias? 13:25 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:27 <@luxidream> No it doesn’t 13:27 It’s unaligned. 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:42118 13:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 2732 points, T:2489, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35 if at all, it should have an inverse cha bias 13:36 in hell everybody with cha:9 or higher is probably looking ugly as heaven 13:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:40 <@ShivanHunter> lol 13:42 <@luxidream> foocubi don’t seem to think so 13:42 they are perverts 13:46 -!- Kontroller has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) wished for "historic very greased unlit extinguished unlocked fixed thoroughly uncursed magic marker named for writing stern letters to developers concerning nerfing things because they work", on T:73855 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 76731 points, T:22450, quit 13:58 spicy 14:01 thought there was a char limit for wishes 14:01 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 14:02 there is, but livelog catches everything you type in 14:03 <{Demo}> uhhhh 14:04 <{Demo}> that sounds VERY dangerous? 14:04 buffers don't work that way 14:04 ok. i made that up 14:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05 everyone: pretend you don't see everything past "nerfing thi" 14:06 anyway i have not looked at the code. what i get stops after nerfing thi, but i have typed longer wishes and they show up completely in the livelog 14:08 <{Demo}> hmm, in ndnh this does not seem to be a thing, gonna test in evil locally 14:09 locally it won't accept characters past a limit that i have not bothered to establish 14:09 in my install, anyway 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2648 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2665 14:11 <{Demo}> can't even find the livelog locally, lol 14:12 do you even have livelog in the local install 14:12 i don't think so 14:12 <{Demo}> i looked for livelog in config.h 14:12 <{Demo}> and everything i saw related to it was defined 14:13 thought it was a tangles patch 14:13 and that the only thing in the source are achievements 14:13 or 'events' 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1926 points, T:2757, killed by a blue jelly 14:14 <{Demo}> there is livelog_printf and livelog_write_string and stuff in the source and i have looked at it for what it wants to see defined to work 14:15 oh interesting 14:16 livelog_write_string certainly limits what can be output 14:16 livelog_printf as well, and then calls livelog_write_string 14:17 <{Demo}> needed to touch logfile 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:235 14:19 since when is livelog a part of vanilla source? 14:19 <{Demo}> hmm, for some reason wishes aren't even showing up in the logfile, maybe this is like a knockoff xlog 14:19 stenno: it's not. we're looking at hdf's repo 14:19 <{Demo}> this is evilhack 14:20 oh, I was looking at 37 hdf. but I guess they will be in sync 14:20 oh duh 14:20 ok that clears my confusion 14:20 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 14:21 unrelated: just finished the first season of fargo and it was outstanding 14:21 {Demo}: logfile? the logfile is only written at the end of the game 14:21 <{Demo}> yeah thats stupid i got confused 14:21 <{Demo}> idk why theres logfile now and xlogfile? 14:21 <{Demo}> is logfile a vanilla thing meant to be like xlogfile? 14:21 I think the x is short for extended 14:22 vanilla now has logfile and they can even configure seperators and stuff during compile time 14:22 logfile was the original games log for 3.4.3 and before 14:22 i think that is new in 3.6.x ? 14:22 xlogfile was the better parseable games log developped as community patch and added to 3.6.0 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:834 14:26 <{Demo}> thanks 14:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 415 points, T:1054, killed by a kobold lord 14:36 hmm, what are good things to wish for in splicehack? 14:36 hothraxxa: am I the developer who's supposed to receive such a stern letter? :D 14:37 you aren't on the list 14:37 I believe they're referring to anyone who patches out Unsanctioned Fun :P 14:37 should i add you? 14:37 hothraxxa: probably yes, ask Porkman; he ascended slex two weeks or so ago and I've made some... adjustments for the next versions that he's not happy with 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:83568 14:38 <@riker> such as "not wishing world fall"? 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 780 points, T:2731, killed by an Elvenking 14:39 @riker: yeah, but there's a bunch of other changes that he considers "gay" and "retarded" 14:39 hahaha 14:39 <@riker> changelog? 14:39 <@riker> also, he still dislikes the whole "corpse chance go DOWN" thing right 14:39 amy: the developers here spend a lot of time discussing how to neutralize strategies that they feel make the game too easy. i think amateurhour nailed it 14:40 isn't up to date, I should probably correct that, now that I have endless amounts of free time thanks to corona :P 14:40 hothraxxa: well coincidentally that's what I'm doing in slex too - nerfing strategies that make the game too easy! 14:41 @riker: another one he's unhappy with is that starting at XL20 or so, gain level in slex can only give at most 200k EXP and won't actually level the player up if that's not enough to reach the next XL 14:42 when I get home today, I'll update the changelog :) 14:42 why did you change that? 14:42 amy: that's your opinion, and as the developer you have the right to do that, but you need to keep in mind that if you remove the the strategies that players have figured out and like then they won't play your game any more 14:42 because one would reach XL30 about halfway through gehennom and then spend the next 50k turns of the game being maxxed out 14:43 anyway, need to leave now 14:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44 I think amy's point of view is that she's making slex to be a game she likes to play, and if other people want to play it too, that's great. I'm not sure how much she cares about crowd pleasing 14:44 that's fair 14:44 i would argue that given the way she begs people to play, she actually does care 14:45 as i think you know, i am 100% in favour of developers doing whatever they like 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:45468 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:38273 14:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38280 15:05 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:14 there's a polytrap under one of the gem piles in the wine cellar mine's end, that's nasty 15:14 pingu the penguin has become pingu the rothe 15:17 Lets go Pingu 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 150 points, T:320, killed by a dwarf 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:74081 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:74089 15:24 huh, some daggers named Unlimited Dagger 15:25 hmm, probably the macho weapon name code shouldn't work on a generated stack of weapons ;) 15:25 The daggers are unlimited, so it’s fine :) 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:74179 15:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:39220 15:29 it's easy to find potions to dilute with this drunken dwarf party place in the mines lol 15:29 the wine cellar? 15:29 :) 15:30 Wait, hold on, you’re not getting them out of the kegs, are you? I thought I fixed that. 15:31 I #looted but didn't try actually removing any 15:31 hang on I'll walk back to one and try 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of chargin", on T:46135 15:31 ah you can't 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:46136 15:32 Ok good 15:32 There was an exploit in development splice that I almost kept in because it was funny. You could take all the kegs in the wine cellar and tip them over to get ~40 potions of booze. Presumably, you then use it for holy water. 15:33 what can you actually do with kegs? 15:34 Get absurdly drunk 15:34 hothraxxa: porkman already announced that as soon as his 2.61 characters are all done, he'll not play slex anymore because he dislikes the changes I made in version 2.64. but that's his decision, I won't undo my changes just to please him :P 15:34 of course not 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:46148 15:34 are these dwarves spawning with lots of potions of booze, or are they looting kegs or something? 15:35 if the monster-looting commit isn't in splicehack yet, you might want to watch for that when it is :P 15:35 amateurhour: You can also kill yourself via alcohol poisoning if you quaff a keg, so, uh, if you get a y/n prompt, don’t do that 15:35 Oh no. I forgot about monster looting. Uuuuuuuhhh be right back 15:35 :'D 15:36 <@Tone> ~40 potions of booze would be excellent in my current game, where fruit juice is smoky 15:36 Oh god monsters can rummage through kegs 15:37 :'D 15:37 LOL 15:37 Thanks for catching that! 15:37 <@Tone> ha, are they technically containers? 15:38 @Tone Yup. Players can’t loot or tip them, but I didn’t realize the implications when I added monster looting 15:45 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b0ae15f5a6f21a4ad099c0d5e1ae4079cc706935 15:45 healer pacifists rejoice 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:41352 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41352 15:46 K2: Nice. That patch is excellent. 15:48 nice 15:48 yeah i thought that was cool 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] davidkent (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 512 points, T:2780, killed by a dwarf zombie 15:49 AntiGulp the storm giants seemed to really want to get that embedded chest 15:50 is that intended, or should they blitz straight for the player? 15:50 Huh, I’ve never seen them do that before. When I’ve played, they’ve always blitzed straight for me. 15:50 May also be a consequence of monsters trying to loot containers? 15:51 saw a similar thing in evilhack with orcs humping a wall in orctown, K2 fixed something 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 water walking boots", on T:46154 16:00 <{Demo}> the vanilla monster chest code is goofy as 16:00 <{Demo}> it should work more like grunt 16:04 YASI: Monsters can and will place traps on chests, and then leave them there. 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3260 16:04 can we trap chests? 16:05 because it'd be funny to leave trapped chests around knowing monsters would loot them 16:05 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:06 monsters don't loot trapped containers 16:06 ah 16:07 <{Demo}> how do they know? 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:74446 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:74448 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:41642 16:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:14 The same way they know BUC status 16:17 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 1047 points, T:2168, killed by a wand 16:21 Actual traps have a madebyu flag, but yeah, it would require adding another object field to denote that the trap on it was made by you, and that probably isn't worth it 16:27 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7952 points, T:185, killed by a jackal 16:31 @riker are you here? I've updated slex's changelog: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/history2.txt - porkman is playing version 2.61 while the current version is 2.64 16:31 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 20166 points, T:1181, killed by a wererat 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:42247 16:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:34 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 16:34 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 16:34 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 16:44 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 33264 points, T:2014, killed by an imp 16:47 <@riker> is that why he started a new game immediately? lol 16:47 <@riker> so he could beat the patch? 16:49 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 25818 points, T:1358, killed by a disenchanter called "vlasx" 16:52 @riker: not sure 16:52 K2: congratulation for adding another feature that unnethack already had for years! :-) 16:53 it took this long to make improvements. sorry 16:53 ^ canadian 'sorry' 16:54 :D 16:54 i didnt know unnethack had that thing for healers 16:54 at first glance it looks almost identical. doesn't seem guest41 did any changes 16:54 nobody reads the ChangeLog 16:54 i did some minor tweaks 16:54 i've never played unnethack healer 16:55 at least i dont think i have 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 27 points, T:82, killed by a jackal 17:04 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered Reflecto, her faithful silver dragon, on T:43721 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:495 17:08 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:43895 17:11 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:43895 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:86592 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:356 17:20 remind me if you're an honorary canadian K2 17:20 i dont think so 17:21