00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35364 00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:53792 00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Nalzok, on T:27535 00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27537 00:04 <@luxidream> eating quest guardians should come with some kind of penalty 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1080 00:05 unless you're a caveman? 00:05 it's cannibalism for humans and a big fucking penalty for people what kill them anyway 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58976 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58977 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1189 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh343] CatPurrson (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 231098 points, T:19145, killed by a captain 00:08 <@luxidream> it's silly when I can use conflict to make them kill each other and then chow down on their corpses guilt free 00:08 well, conflict makes a lot of things in the game silly... 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy wand of polymorph", on T:29571 00:09 speaking of silly 00:10 "we've been hanging around on Astral ready to pounce on the Amulet bearer once he arrives, all set to go. oh what's that ring on his finger? MUST KILL EACH OTHER INSTEAD!" 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:29697 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29889 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:29889 00:12 I think heroes should be able to eat quest leaders if they can get them killed with conflict 00:12 they should be rewarded for their ingenuity 00:13 The Arch Priest is delicious! 00:13 You feel more pious. 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:30256 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:30259 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 89 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:59691 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:54587 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Arch Priest, on T:30942 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2784 00:21 <@luxidream> no corpse 00:21 <@luxidream> I lost all my protection too 00:23 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:31981 00:26 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32430 00:26 So you kill the Arch Priest, but you won't kill Asmodeus? 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32637 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed antigulp's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:3378 00:27 <@luxidream> Why do that when I can give him 420 zorkmids instead 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:55340 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33380 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33386 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:33683 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3805 points, T:3670, killed by a soldier ant 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:34603 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34747 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34752 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy ring of teleport control", on T:34754 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34806 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:34987 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:34990 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:56460 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:35855 00:45 right, so would half physical damage be advisable for a fight against the Executioner? 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed gain level", on T:36091 00:48 Yes. 00:48 Also healing potions. 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:37806 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:38177 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:38185 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1008734 points, T:38211, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1584757186.nh.html 00:54 GG 00:54 <@luxidream> gg 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 419 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:57688 00:55 <@luxidream> 419 zm 00:55 <@luxidream> smh 00:56 Scam 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:57870 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 324 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:58077 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58595 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58596 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:770 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:59400 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:59486 01:33 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:61568 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:61594 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:426 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1268 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2450 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:2513 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3070 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62186 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62187 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4835 01:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:62367 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5967 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:62635 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:62639 01:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8094 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4577 02:07 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:64416 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:64813 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:64985 02:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5955 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:65231 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:65257 02:30 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:65324 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1133506 points, T:65354, killed by Pestilence (with the Amulet) 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:17161 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6374 02:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:35 <@luxidream> !lastgame MHL 02:35 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MHL/nethack/dumplog/1584721119.nh.html 02:37 NO 02:37 Oh my god no 02:37 aw, he got too reliant on the Staff... 02:38 * Umbire cries 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:6487 02:41 <@luxidream> F 02:42 @luxidream: re the Executioner and whatever you/anyone happens to know 02:42 his level, is it no-tele or no 02:44 <@luxidream> didn't try 02:44 <@luxidream> check unnethack source? 02:47 Will do 02:47 What to look for? 02:49 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53 <@luxidream> Found it 02:53 <@luxidream> FLAGS: sheol,noteleport,hardfloor,noflip 02:53 <@luxidream> for that matter all of sheol is noteleport 02:54 right 02:54 but apparently you can levelport out of the final level 02:54 if the article is currently correct 02:55 <@luxidream> you can levelport in noteleport levels 02:55 <@luxidream> that's correct 02:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:22257 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6909 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading The Colour of Magic, on T:7111 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:7111 03:22 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 1431 points, T:981, killed by a small aklys 03:28 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pri Inc Mal Law), 536 points, T:720, killed by an acid blob 03:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7897 03:33 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:45 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1738 04:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 3398 points, T:3019, killed by a clockwork fighter 04:09 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 04:18 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 17584 points, T:1070, killed by a dwarf's wand 04:32 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 904 points, T:1729, killed by a wand 04:34 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 175 points, T:203, killed by a silver crossbow bolt 04:34 <@Suzune Takada> vampire is weak against silver weapon 😦 04:35 Stands to reason 04:36 <@Suzune Takada> gnome fired "silver" crossbow bolts 04:37 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 174 points, T:405, killed by a blue jelly 04:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1026 points, T:1147, killed by a rabid rat 04:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:49 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 2391 points, T:2360, killed by a bolt of fire 04:54 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 04:54 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 04:55 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Arc Clk Fem Law), 890 points, T:857, killed by a kitten 05:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1328 05:12 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 05:14 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55880 05:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:36 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) wished for "blessed fireproof bag of holding", on T:57090 05:59 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 06:11 <@Suzune Takada> is boh fireproof-able? 06:12 No? 06:13 They aren't affected by fire. 06:13 <@Suzune Takada> but that wish 06:13 Unless you throw it into lava. 06:13 a thoroughly holy fireproof greased burning bag of holding (0:99) 06:14 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:21 I think the proofing is just habit and it wouldn't matter much anyway 06:21 <@Suzune Takada> ah 06:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:6520 06:31 If you have BoHs ending up in the lava often, you might have other problems. 06:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:7063 06:43 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:5399 06:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Mal Cha), 56812 points, T:7064, killed by Vlad the Impaler 06:44 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law), 5373 points, T:5461, dispatched by a leocrotta 07:00 Granted most of those problems are centered on you ending up in the lava with it 07:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) killed Juiblex, on T:59803 07:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) killed Glasya, on T:60153 07:15 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Brd Gno Mal Neu), 1068 points, T:989, fell into a pit 07:17 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:19 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pir Elf Mal Cha), 216 points, T:501, killed by Ms. Pervari, the shopkeeper 07:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Neu), 262 points, T:677, killed by an acid blob 07:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) wished for "blessed crystal ball", on T:60872 07:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1321 07:49 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63488 07:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) performed the invocation, on T:63625 08:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:63642 08:04 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 567 points, T:649, dismembered by a gnome 08:10 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 176 points, T:1347, cut down by a hobbit 08:16 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 08:19 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 644 points, T:1203, killed by a giant bat 08:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) entered the Planes, on T:65033 08:28 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 08:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:65270 08:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non), 5781692 points, T:65295, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor3/dnethack/dumplog/1570566278.dnh.txt 08:30 <@Suzune Takada> congrats 08:30 <@malor> thanks 08:34 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 1206 points, T:3192, murdered by a killer bee 08:39 -!- hdf-guest-51 has joined #hardfought 08:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 561 points, T:2270, exterminated by a brown mold 08:52 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:56 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:23763 09:03 what're your favourite nethack roles? 09:04 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Dro Nbn Cha), 1577 points, T:3070, defeated by a kobold mummy 09:04 <{Demo}1> illithanachronounbinder 09:04 <@Suzune Takada> after that, that bone would be mummy instead of ghost? 09:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) was given Water Flowers, on T:24146 09:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) became the Glory of Eequor, on T:24325 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:41352 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1191 09:27 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Vam Nbn Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon them by Anhur, on T:2726 09:27 <@Suzune Takada> yay 09:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:25133 09:30 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Wiz Vam Nbn Cha), 4496 points, T:2854, sent to the next life by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 09:30 <@Suzune Takada> oops 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1664 09:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased cloak of magic resistance", on T:25706 09:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:25707 09:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 33118 points, T:6317, petrified by a chickatrice 09:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:25668 09:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Nob Vam Fem Cha), 264 points, T:686, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:52 amateurhour: priest or monk 09:53 before i ascended the first time, i played chaotic monk exclusively 09:54 Has nethack ever been known to ignore a line at the end of a config file if the line isn't newline-terminated? 09:59 Yes, before 3.6.2 09:59 -!- hdf-guest-51 is now known as rspots 09:59 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:26456 10:00 looks like post163 is not the only player dying due to slipping while mounting a steed 10:00 !lastgame zor 10:00 rspots: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zor/notdnethack/dumplog/1584798436.ndnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zor/unnethack/dumplog/1583945792.un.txt.html 10:01 nice stenno, my favourite is monk as well so far, and usually go for chaotic 10:01 I've not ascended a priest before, I suppose that should be the next one I try 10:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pir Dro Mal Neu), 718 points, T:1071, killed by a parrot 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:28120 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:28154 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:28460 10:10 i like lawful priest + SoM + nice spells 10:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Brd Dro Fem Cha), 90 points, T:464, killed by a sewer rat 10:11 HI 10:11 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:13 HELLO 10:13 Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #hardfought 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:29664 10:16 MORNING 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29665 10:16 :/ 10:17 rejected :( 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "holy wand of polymorph", on T:29940 10:18 heh 10:18 by don hertzfeld 10:19 such is life 10:21 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Elf-Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:858 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:30682 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed SuzuneTakada's ghost, the former Excavator, on T:43308 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2609 10:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:26490 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:33136 10:37 YASI: Reading a scroll of charging while confused makes you charge in a random direction 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:33795 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2839 10:39 occasionally makes you shout: "LEEEROY JENKINS" 10:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:26800 10:41 stenno: making this into a new false rumor 10:43 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:44 :D 10:44 YASI: Reading a scroll of charging while confused whil riding makes you joust 10:46 instead of pw regen? 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35176 10:48 the S stands for stupid 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:35800 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 16 points, T:57, killed by a jackal 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:35935 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:695 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 118 points, T:734, killed by a small mimic 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 21992 points, T:1273, killed by a gnome lord 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:603 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36406 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36407 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:37347 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43617 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38370 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38377 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2685 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39294 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:2324 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3752 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:39505 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3776 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Mars, on T:3891 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:39579 11:29 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:29 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5836 points, T:250, killed by a sewer rat 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39812 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:39816 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vigorix's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4477 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:41482 11:36 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:43412 11:43 Damn, Orcus read a cursed scroll of teleportation to get away from me. Guess I've got a stroll to find him. Don't want to find him on ascension run. 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:43862 11:46 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2377 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43876 11:47 unlucky 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:43921 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:44003 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:44018 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Famine (5 times), on T:44041 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 37275 points, T:4668, killed by a pony 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law), 2130848 points, T:44064, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1584769058.nh.html 11:49 gratz Luxidream! 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:65077 11:50 <@luxidream> thanks 11:52 <@luxidream> in light of current events I'm wondering why there hasn't been a spike in ascensions 11:54 how many times have you ascended in the past 48 hours 11:55 about 48 11:55 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 11:56 <@luxidream> 5 11:58 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:7197 12:02 I've been laboring along on a single one 12:02 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02 guessing I'm about ready for the Quest 12:03 I'm seeing conflicted information about the Monk Quest, presumably because it's been changed multiple times in recent vanilla versions 12:03 it has? 12:04 I don't think it has, but I wish it was 12:04 <@luxidream> if there's conflicting information on the wiki I'm not surprised 12:04 <@luxidream> but what is it 12:05 scare monster doesn't work on master kaen anymore just fyi 12:05 basically disagreement over how hard Master Kaen is 12:06 ok, "changed scroll of scare monster mechanics" is not the same as "changed the monk quest" 12:06 <@luxidream> just look at his damage numbers and decide for yourself 12:06 I ascended the other day and didn't know that scare monster wouldn't work anymore, and it was majorly sketchy 12:06 yeah amateurhour I guess that's the key thing, I read scare monster now works, so I guess it didn't, then it did, now it doesn't again 12:06 the boulder fort strategy is still completely fine 12:06 I'm not referring to anything so specific though, haven't prepared yet, haven't found the portal 12:07 drop scare monster for the xorns, scroll of earth, zap away 12:07 you'd probably want to reverse the order of those 12:08 boulder fort first, then scare monster 12:08 yeah 12:08 hm, wait, can kaen warp onto the same space as a boulder? 12:08 no he can't 12:08 and please don't let him do that 12:08 :( 12:08 wait, so what happens if I'm fighting, say, orcus, and I make sure to leave a boulder on the < before going across the level to fight him 12:09 will he bother warping over there at all? 12:09 he derps around the boulder instead 12:09 iirc 12:09 hm 12:09 so that doesn't really solve anything other than him being able to escape upwards 12:09 <@malor> and he doesn't regain hit points as quickly. Sitting on the stairs is higher regeneration for some reason. 12:10 the boulder fort is so kaen can't melee you, or actually damage you 12:10 and you stand on the stairs 12:10 EPI: If a covetous warper finds that the upstairs is blocked, they'll also try warping to the downstairs to heal/flee 12:11 that's too evil >:( 12:11 <@luxidream> nice patch idea: remove covetous warping 12:11 support 12:11 straight up removing it probably makes boss fights too easy 12:12 but basically you can solve fleeing with boulders? 12:12 <@luxidream> other roguelikes seem to get along just fine without covetous warping 12:12 yeah slengtorm, I use it for vlad every game 12:13 seems easier and more straightforward than I would have thought, never occurred to me but now is obvious ha 12:13 @luxidream do they have a solution for the problem of boss fights being a rather boring you stand there with your boatload of HP and defenses, and hit the boss till it dies? 12:13 none of them can phase or be in the same square as a boulder somehow? 12:13 EPI: Master Kaen, being the Earth-Lord, can phase. 12:13 too evil again 12:14 stahp 12:14 nerf kaen 12:15 and we're fairly sure that boulders on the stairs will send bosses adjacent, rather than to random or convenient spots on the level to heal, summon nasties, etc? 12:15 <@luxidream> how does having to walk or teleport to a certain square to do the same thing any more interesting 12:16 the boss warping around the level is more interesting right 12:16 slengtorm are you thinking of kaen specifically? stand on the stairs and boulder fort imo instead 12:17 no, I mean in general 12:17 @luxidream Well, it makes for a longer and more difficult boss battle. Not in a good way, but. 12:18 cutting out warping makes the fight a lot shorter, and easier since the boss wouldn't be able to take a breather 12:18 but the same thing applies for boulder forts, right, so long as the boss is smart enough not just to grimace at you while being hit from the other side of a boulder, but rather warp away periodically 12:19 kaen at least just derps around the fort, can find a recent ttyrec if you want to see 12:20 the one where I didn't realise scare monster wouldn't work :^) 12:20 so I'd say he should be changed to warp away when he loses too much HP to make it harder/more interesting 12:21 there would need to be some sort of cap on that though 12:21 you mean, so the boss wouldn't be able to heal to max over and over? 12:22 well if the ai were written like "warp away when the hero is nearby and under 25% HP", then you'd never get close to him until he healed back up over 25 12:22 and then your next hit would send him warping somewhere distant again 12:23 yes 12:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:267 12:23 I think FIQHack answers this by giving warping a cooldown? 12:23 but I'd rather figure out some way to avoid having warping at all, which still preserved interesting boss fights 12:24 so give him Power like the hero, and warping/healing/summon nasties/etc all cost Pw OR give warping a cooldown OR give him X number of warps to begin with and X can regenerate by 1 every Y turns so that the boss could do it a bunch of times in a row but then would have to wait 12:24 I have no idea how it works, just speculating here 12:26 what would be the alternatives to warping 12:26 what sort of cooldown does fiqhack give liches warping? 12:26 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3730 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 29924 points, T:1727, killed by a rothe 12:28 slengtorm: well you could give them the ability to teleport on their own non-teleport level, and then give them a teleport item. or you could go like other RPGs and have multistage boss fights, where after you deplete their HP to 0 they seem to die... then rear up again even scarier (refilled HP + maybe additional attacks?) 12:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:28 Potentially could make covetous warping more interesting by applying some sort of video-gamey multi stage boss. 12:28 beat you to it 12:28 Oh, dang. Basically what aosdict said. 12:28 :P 12:29 “So thou thought this was my final form, fool…" 12:29 video-gamey? naaaahhh nethack isn't a "video game" 12:29 Actually, the Wizard is the one boss who probably doesn't need something like this, because the reincarnation mechanic is a pretty good answer to this. 12:30 Not that I think a reincarnation mechanic would work well across the board, though perhaps it might work well for some of the demon lords in their own lairs. 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6791 12:31 Challenge: Successfully make demogorgon’s second form scarier than he already is. 12:32 ah I was thinking of teleporting as still a form of "warping" 12:32 but yeah good suggestions 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1205 12:32 though the multi-stage thing would still be boring if even 1 stage involved the boss just standing there getting hit and not really being able to do anything about it 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1283 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7142 12:33 there's also just being really fast and running away rather than teleporting, then ranged attacks 12:33 maybe changing tactics when the AI realizes they're not damaging the hero enough / when the boss loses enough HP 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:7211 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4482 12:34 grunthack surprisingly got rid of covertous warping on the demon lord levels. sporkhack, covetous warping is all over the place, not just the upstairs 12:34 unnethack too 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 428 points, T:1430, killed by a gnome 12:34 notele counts for all monsters now 12:34 'now' 12:34 been thinking of making evilhack like spork/un in that regard 12:34 EPI: Covetous wrping, but the monster warps to other levels instead. 12:34 as in, 8 years ago or so 12:34 also flying/levitating over water or lava 12:34 AntiGulp: well in grunthack, vlad has a cursed scroll of teleport in his inventory 12:35 oh yeah 12:35 what 12:35 that is so nasty 12:35 that’s so bizarrely evil 12:35 grunts kind of evil 12:35 so startegy with grunthack vlad is to fireball/wand of fire him first 12:35 burn up his scrolls 12:35 *strategy 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:9194 12:37 @gh?vlad the impaler 12:37 @gh?vlad the impaler 12:37 stenno2 gh vlad will spawn with more than just 1 cursed scroll 12:37 i think its upwards of 3 12:37 lol 12:37 didn't know that 12:38 oh its just g 12:38 @g?vlad the impaler 12:38 Vlad the Impaler (V) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 49 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -6 | Attacks: 6d6 weapon stun, 6d6 weapon confuse, 1d10 bite level drain, 2d6 gaze stun | Alignment: -10 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, undead, stalker, covetous, infravisible 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hezrou, on T:8754 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:8869 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "nx", on T:8930 12:39 quite the fella 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:424 12:42 covetous warping is so annoying 12:42 at least make it so that it isn't predictable anymore or not happening all the time 12:42 As you read the scroll, it disappears. You hear a door open. 12:42 scroll of knock :-) 12:43 K2 I should expect a throne room to wake up as I approach as a giant right? 12:43 who's there? 12:43 in evilhack* 12:43 and elven boots shouldn't give me stealth 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:539 12:44 you couldn't fit your giant feet into elven boots :-) 12:44 well it turns out I have tiny feet for my size :P 12:44 lol 12:45 or they're boots for plus size elves 12:46 This second hand bookstore is selling the Colour of Magic, a scroll of identify, and literally nothing else. 12:47 everyone's hoarding books to stave off boredom during this coronavirus thing 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3504 points, T:5623, killed by a werejackal 12:50 never heard of ebooks, have they? 12:51 What do you want to read? x - a Kindle You learn the "force bolt" spell. You learn the "identify" spell. You learn the "wizard lock" spell. You learn the "touch of death" spell. 12:52 kindling doesn't give you fireball? 12:53 amateurhour yeah. also, combat will wake up sleepers 12:53 Killed the shopkeeper with a dragon. That’ll teach him to hoard. 12:53 lol 12:53 they weren't waking while I was repeatedly moving around them K2 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1440 12:53 like spammed moving right next to them, didn't wake 12:53 they woke up after I started throwing some fists though of course 12:53 oh... moving is fine you just cant ever be stealthy 12:54 unless your deity gifts it to you 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:504 12:54 what is stealth supposed to give you if not the suppression of waking monsters up by walking around? 12:54 isn't that exactly what it is? 12:55 you tell me 12:55 I thought aggravate monster would wake them by just moving about 12:55 i dont have stealth stats in front of me 12:55 so thought there could be a bug where these elven boots were actually giving me stealth 12:55 maybe they were passed out drunk and not just sleeping 12:55 but if that's not how it works then nvm 12:56 in evilhack stealth itself isnt changed. its just that giants are supposed to ever be stealthy 12:56 arent 12:59 <@luxidream> you only have a small chance of waking up sleeping enemies in los 12:59 <@luxidream> without stealth 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2545 12:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2583 points, T:1815, killed by a wand 13:00 with aggravate monster? 13:02 <@luxidream> maybe you got lucky? 13:04 it's not impossible I suppose :S 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:44289 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:409 13:07 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 5463 points, T:1456, killed by a small aklys 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3695 13:08 “That’s not enough, coward!” 13:09 …but I threw over 2000 gold at you??? 13:10 oh look at ms moneybags over here, thinking they can just throw some money around to solve all their problems 13:10 repair that door yourself, by hand, and apologise properly 13:11 isn't that an rnz function? 13:11 or rnz result, rather 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3922 13:13 doesn't look like it 13:14 the value of zorkmids is derived from the labor of the proletariat 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4047 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1342 13:18 oh the rogue level must have been reenabled in evilhack 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12945 13:21 <@luxidream> if I'm passed out from rotten food 13:22 <@luxidream> how do I still get blinded/hallu by lights 13:23 report bug 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2240 13:24 it's like when your friends drug you when you're passed out 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:2252 13:24 'friends' 13:25 @luxidream the reason internally is because the "unconsciousness" just calls nomul(), which is actually paralysis 13:25 so, please report bug 13:28 Me: Oh wow, I just one-hit that vampire lord! I must be in a lot better shape than I thought! 13:28 My Dragon: Moseys around the corner. 13:29 amateurhour: rogue level is disabled in evilhack 0.5.0 which is not live yet. its still present on 0.4.2 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:6182 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:229 13:34 !who 13:34 K2: [hdf-us] blarblar [slshm] Urc [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] krm26 [nh370] qt [nh370] SkydiveMike [nh370] antigulp [nh370] post163 [spl] groovejumper [fh] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [evil] microlance [nh370] mosen [nh370] Raisse [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6261 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2973 13:38 Just read a revised scroll of amnesia. Barely did anything. 13:38 <@riker> hm, read testing scrolls is probably much safer now 13:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] blarblar (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2230 points, T:2626, killed by a gray unicorn 13:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 47612 points, T:10857, killed by a soldier ant 13:38 <@riker> esp early game 13:39 depends a bit 13:41 you will still lose spells unless the scroll is blessed 13:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 325 points, T:508, killed by an owlbear 13:42 I think the problem is that it disproportionately affects spellcasters. 13:43 I’m a samurai, so effectively all a SoA does is make me deal a little less damage for the next few hundred turns. 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:14311 13:43 I'm not sure that disproportionately affecting spellcasters is a problem. 13:43 Isn't it a problem for non-spellcasters that x% of random items are useless spellbooks? 13:43 that's also disproportionate 13:44 That’s a fair point. 13:44 they sell well 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 597 points, T:1140, killed by a sewer rat 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:610 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 63 points, T:102, killed by a sewer rat 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 140 points, T:969, killed by a glass arrow 13:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:50 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:20852 13:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1920 13:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2003 13:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3911 points, T:2189, killed by a dwarf 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2335 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2363 14:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Con Orc Nbn Cha), 33 points, T:140, inhumed by a kobold 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh343] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5638 points, T:3234, killed by a killer bee 14:03 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh343] qt (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:9, killed by a water moccasin 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4051 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 4469 points, T:3760, killed by a Green-elf 14:34 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 14:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 14:36 -!- pots163 has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:23687 14:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:36331 14:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1695 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:24716 14:46 Curses on bad boy demons with cursed scrolls of teleportation. Now Iv 14:47 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47 I've lost Yeenogoph (sp?) in the Wizard's Tower 14:47 Yeenogopher 14:47 yeenogopher:// 14:47 damn 14:48 I usually call him, Yenny, His friends are like Asmo and Bubba 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:24874 14:48 bubba and his shrimps 14:48 Yeahno 14:49 they're not friends with him, they're cross-aligned 14:49 Ooooh, I could go for some fresh boilled shrimps right now 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 10012 points, T:5994, killed by a horse 14:49 They all nasty boys 14:49 yeah 14:49 Magicbane early 14:49 nice 14:49 Last time i wasted a wish :P 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1124 14:51 wouldn't Magicbane blast my lawful little dwarf? 14:52 if it did, it would only be 4d4 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:26206 15:00 idk if MB warrants a wish 15:00 imo its overrated 15:01 <@luxidream> it's bad 15:01 <@luxidream> just get gdsm instead 15:01 early game defense > early game offense 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2650 15:03 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:03 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:535 15:03 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:29450 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:30555 15:13 YANI: remove sleep as a ray. Sleep wands will shoot a beam, the sleep spell either shoots a beam or acts as an area-of-effect spell putting monsters around you to sleep, and orange dragon/Nazgul sleep gas is also a beam. 15:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19162 points, T:4264, killed by a blast of frost 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:72475 15:23 rays and beams do often seem like shoehorning something into a game mechanic 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1753 points, T:3899, killed by a shattered potion 15:23 what does 'shoehorning' mean? 15:25 forcing something to fit 15:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy wand of polymorph", on T:33094 15:26 I'm not being critical, it makes sense 15:26 you gotta make effects work somehow, but it sometimes feels forced 15:26 it feels to me there should be a kind of spread or fan effect, like a shotgun spread 15:27 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 15:27 they're shoehorned into those mechanics because it would be hard to write a whole new system :) 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:33132 15:28 like, you aim E, it affects the square 1 E, the square 2 E and the squares 1 N and 1 S of that, the square 3 E and the two N and S of that, etc 15:28 yeah I understand 15:28 yes, you're describing a cone effect 15:28 does it exist? 15:28 not that nethack has those 15:28 despite there being a 'cone of cold' spell 15:28 sorry, my NetHack knowledge is not great 15:29 yeah I know "cone of cold" but it's either a beam or aim and area effect right 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:33206 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:33207 15:29 the beam form is weird because it's one of the two beams that explodes when it hits something 15:30 er, not beam, ray 15:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:21281 15:30 <@luxidream> there's a shotgun wand in dcss, but I don't see why a cone would be less forced than a ray 15:30 <@luxidream> don't most people think of harry potter wands? 15:30 <@luxidream> they shoot rays 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 holy charging", on T:33288 15:31 cones for wands would probably feel forced yes, I'm thinking of breath weapons for example 15:31 slengtorm was using shoehorning to describe how we have weird things like 'sleep ray' in the game 15:32 like, you can visualize what a bolt of fire or cold or electricity looks like... but sleep? 15:32 so it feels shoehorned in 15:32 because the existing ray system was easier to use 15:33 I mean, it's not like plenty of games don't have these kind of glowing spurts of magical energy or whatever, but... you feel me 15:33 huh, the fireball/cone of cold "ray" also doesn't reflect off anything at all, I shot it at a silver dragon and it exploded 15:33 well that's good 15:34 so they're two special rays that function with the basic mechanics of all rays but break two of those mechanics 15:34 ... are they even rays? 15:34 or are they just animated like them 15:35 I thought they were beams 15:35 but yeah ray according to Wiki 15:35 oh yeah that's another reason why it's hard to add new things like cones. no one wants to figure out how to animate them :) 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:33467 15:36 well you'd just have affected squares change color or something 15:36 again, not being critical, I get changing mechanics is hard 15:36 not because the animation algorithm is hard. because the display code is hard 15:36 NH's a big system of overlapping metaphors, like many games 15:36 why do tiny and gigantic monsters fill the same amount of space? etc 15:38 does Luxidream always dig for victory 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1089 15:39 I don't think luxidream ever digs for victory 15:39 luxidream merely plays to win 15:39 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39 I'm just guessing based on speed 15:40 luxi is one of the fastest players in the world 15:40 I'm extremely slow, so most seem fast to me 15:43 I wonder if real-time speedruns have changed much since 3.7, probably not by much so far 15:43 <@luxidream> I'll dig on valk speedruns, but usually not on normal games 15:44 <@luxidream> amateurhour: you don't need to worry about mind flayers ending your run 15:45 that's quite a nice change 15:46 it's run ending to get object/map amnesia? 15:46 I guess I could see that for maps 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34987 15:47 <@luxidream> you use the travel command to move through mazes 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1490 15:50 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 15:50 yet another example of why the interhack principle says that map amnesia was bad :) 15:50 you could easily write a frontend that remembers what the maze looked like and took you along it 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "holy death", on T:35363 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:35367 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35371 15:51 ok are you jst going for style points now 15:53 <@luxidream> no I just didn't feel like coming back with an actual solution 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2131 points, T:1738, killed by an orc shaman called Aulog of Airukubane, while praying 15:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:15569 16:01 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03 -!- porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:36891 16:05 do you know some puzzle game that plays in the desert 16:05 like 3d puzzle game in the like of portal 16:05 The Croteam one? 16:06 yes! thanks Pinkbeast 16:06 talos principle 16:07 going to die to master kaen as I messed up :) 16:09 or not 16:09 congrats on not dying 16:09 thanks 16:10 I did the boulder fort method, and used up a lot of wands zapping 16:10 accidentally moved into a boulder when a wand had no charges 16:10 as a giant that moved me onto the boulder, he immediately teleported up the stairs to heal 16:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:37952 16:12 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:38212 16:13 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:38326 16:14 have mercy Luxidream 16:15 it's a massacre 16:16 "yeah tariru is cool but have you seen luxidream" - this channel 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3317 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:39007 16:17 feel free to tell us how much of a fanboy you are aosdict :) 16:18 I don't approve 16:18 I'm on the demons' side 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39346 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39348 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:915 16:22 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:44773 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class m, on T:44775 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40262 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40277 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) murdered Slasher, her faithful fire ant, on T:3307 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:44776 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:40687 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:40798 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:40799 16:28 death to my own stupidity 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dragonhide hooded cloak on an altar, on T:3426 16:30 :/ 16:30 damn rip 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41529 16:34 luxidream you have to use the time of the quarantine to beat zipcodes record 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:42326 16:34 u can do it 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:431 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:532 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:42531 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:42541 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:42587 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1455606 points, T:42604, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1584807741.nh.html 16:37 * K2 yawns 16:37 congrats Luxidream (monotone voice) 16:38 :P 16:38 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 16:38 another day at the office for luxidream 16:40 -!- Novalith has joined #hardfought 16:40 -!- greenbourne277 has joined #hardfought 16:40 greenbourne277: o/ 16:41 <@luxidream> haha 16:41 <@luxidream> thanks K2 :p 16:42 heh 16:42 when will @luxidream have the balls to try evilhack 16:43 its ok if you're scared, I understand 16:43 <@luxidream> junethack when I'm forced to play it 16:43 you should focus on the zipcode record 16:44 <@luxidream> that's the time I set aside to play campy and hard variants like spork 16:46 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 15915 points, T:5208, killed by an Uruk-hai, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:46 <@luxidream> that being said, where are the coronavirus ascensions? you'd think nao and hdf would be exploding 16:47 2 words: hearthstone battlegrounds and minecraft 16:47 perhaps nethack players are immune to cornavirus 16:47 cornonavirus 16:47 wooo bot i cant type 16:47 boy 16:48 see 16:48 FML 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:45461 16:48 corn on a virus 16:48 sounds delicious 16:48 what goes good with coronavirus? lyme disease 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:804 16:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Orb of Detection", on T:17709 16:49 <@luxidream> hs teamfight tactics? 16:49 <@luxidream> ...why 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:71542 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:821 16:50 what's hs teamfight 16:50 <@luxidream> hearthstone version of teamfight tactics? 16:50 oh, I know barely anything about hearthstone 16:50 yes, but its a good autobattler 16:50 its the best autobattler 16:51 all the hearthstone pros who switched to autobattlers now switched back to hearthstone 16:55 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of czippo, the former Sightseer, on T:5789 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:524 17:00 you can't choose vim as an editor :'( 17:00 virus is basically vim 17:00 wait no virus? 17:00 oh right 17:00 nano > virus 17:00 hdf still has virus 17:00 oh ok 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:72126 17:00 ADE didn't have it 17:01 greenbourne277: there's a 17:01 c) change editor 17:01 on the config file menu 17:02 aosdict: i've been there. didn't now that virus is a vim-like editor. that helps 17:02 it's a kind of crappy vim-like editor 17:02 everything fun has been taken out because of security considerations 17:03 but at least hjkl keys work 17:03 it's really crappy. you can't use visual mode lol :D 17:03 reduced to the max 17:03 ok but much better than nano 17:04 thx 17:04 nano is more intuitive than vim 17:04 I think there are probably features like visual mode that could be re-added without security issues 17:04 but I'm not in charge of it 17:06 stenno2: yeah sure. but as a software developer i'm kinda used to it ;) 17:07 fair :) 17:07 latency on hardfought is much better than on NAO. stenno2 thx for recommending 17:07 np 17:07 i assume you play on eu.hardfought.org ? 17:08 are you playing 3.7? 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10876 points, T:3520, killed by a Grey-elf 17:08 if so, congratulations on becoming an official 3.7 tester 17:09 stenno2: right 17:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Acu Gno Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1085 17:09 aosdict: yep. i don't want to play 3.4.3 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1928 17:10 ... did luxi ascend AGAIN? 17:11 oh yep about half an hour ago 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:46388 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:424 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:376 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2098 points, T:4419, killed by a panther 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3461 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:723 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:580 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 340 points, T:1936, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3790 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3825 17:22 if anyone gets my minetown bones, I had a wand of death and went rogue >:) 17:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] blarblar (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 8730 points, T:4777, killed by an invisible stalker 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5574 17:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1191 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 8258 points, T:7309, killed by a winter wolf cub 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1705 17:30 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:30 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Acu Gno Fem Law), 4153 points, T:2375, killed by a potion of excavation 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:73859 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 835 points, T:2109, killed by a hill orc called Ulaiakh of Abaneoghai, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1425 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:73863 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:46975 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:73899 17:35 how many valks have you ascended now Bliss56 ? :) 17:35 amateuhour, I haven't counted. At least a dozen. 17:36 NAO and HDF 17:36 nice 17:36 who was the exclusive valk player again 17:37 I ascended an orc barbarian at the very end of the TNNT, after it had finished. Those are my only ascensions. 17:37 rschaff 17:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3190 17:39 360 ascensions, 136 valks 17:41 <@luxidream> 37% 17:41 <@luxidream> wow 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1689 points, T:3432, killed by a bolt of cold 17:42 thats a z-score for valks of 5.4935 according to scoreboard 17:43 I have some ascensions missing from the scoreboard I think 17:43 because you have other accounts? 17:43 I only use 'amateurhour' 17:43 i doubt that stuff is missing then 17:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 17:43 it might be that ascensions from certain 3.6.x versions are missing 17:44 as I've done a few arcs and it lists none 17:44 sorry just arriived, on NAO? 17:44 wait are you in the 'nh' tab or in the 'all' tab? 17:45 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/players/a/amateurhour.all.html <- doesn't matter which, no arcs listed 17:45 hmm 17:45 going to check if other players have 3.6.4 and 3.6.5 games listed 17:46 On NAO I have gone back to 3.6.2 to get on scoreboard 17:46 With 3.6.6 my scores don't het listed 17:47 *get 17:47 ooh maybe its related to the visibility of the xlog files 17:47 mobileuser: the good news is that K2 now has access to the NAO scoreboard page so you can complain at him about it 17:48 where is mandevil when you need him 17:48 can't recall whether I did the arcs on nao or hdf, would be useful info 17:48 I've got 10 ascensions on NAO. Where do I look for them on HDF? 17:48 good point aosdict :-) 17:48 Bliss56: the hdf scoreboards only show hdf games 17:48 <@luxidream> https://scoreboard.xd.cm/players/B/Bliss56.nh.html 17:49 mobileuser the NAO scoreboard was fixed about a week ago 17:49 3.6.3+ games show up now 17:49 maybe mandevil needs to refetch the xlogs then 17:49 I'm not sure if Mandevil is maintaining scoreboard.xd.cm anymore, so it may not know about 3.6.6 17:49 Oh excellent news K2! 17:49 has he been aroudn lately 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:12134 17:50 stenno2 Mandevil's scoreboard currently doesnt fetch any of NAO's 3.6.3+ games 17:50 right, but is that because the xlog weren't visible in the first place? 17:50 i let him know awhile ago, provided the xlogfile to grab 17:51 Thanks, luxidream, better than I thought. 17:51 @luxidream 17:51 he's not really interested in maintaining the NHS anymore, he's willing to hand it over to someone who would be 17:51 stenno2 17:51 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 17:51 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 17:51 oh damn fair enough 17:52 hmm maybe i could do that 17:52 with node! 17:52 i wonder how much actual maintainance it would need 17:52 this accelerated my timeline for getting hardfought's scoreboards back online 17:52 iirc scoreboard doesn't really have a backend as such 17:52 Would be much appreciated by many stenno2! 17:53 think its basically a python script generating a static page 17:53 Great way to track progress 17:53 stenno2: it's in perl 17:53 K2: if he isn't actually giving over the scoreboard.xd.cm domain, what does "handing it over" entail that is any different from just setting up a new scoreboard instance somewhere? 17:53 even worse 17:54 aosdict you'd have to ask Mandevil 17:54 xd.cm is deepy 17:54 stenno2 - https://github.com/borekl/nhs 17:54 oi thanks 17:54 funny, what I thought was an orc barbarian was a dwarf caveman 17:55 what a shock that must have been in the morning! 17:56 aosdict 'handing it over' meaning no longer being responsible for running the scoreboard. if that means letting someone else have access to the existing scoreboard, or running their own, no idea. have to ask Mandevil 17:57 there are bugs still, and over the last couple years, all of the extra variants to track and maintain was a bit more than he wanted to handle I think 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47238 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:74044 17:57 life was simpler before nethack 3.6 :) 17:59 Oh wow, tricky. I acquired the luckstone? My character doesn't "know" that yet. 18:00 irc-scumming, smh my head 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12601 18:03 Note to self: don't be logged in to IRC when searching gray stones in Mines' End 18:03 where is deepy even 18:04 no mandevil, no deepy 18:04 I don't think it's a problem just to clarify :P 18:04 do they all hang out in #ascrun instead? 18:08 I should probably try at some point ascending quickly 18:08 turns or realtime? 18:08 are there any writeups of tips that I should check out? 18:08 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:08 depends 18:08 realtime I think, turns sounds like it requires a better brain than I have 18:09 i don't think that any gametime strats are still valid for 3.6.x 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:13044 18:20 <@luxidream> What do you want to know? 18:20 if there exists the 'dummies guide to a fast ascension', I'd love to read it 18:20 first thing about realtime speedrun is that you have to trust in the strength of the valk :P 18:21 valk is super OP, and oof makes them even more OP 18:21 so you can have like -10AC and its still enough for lategame 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:843 18:21 pick-axe is essential (for many) 18:22 <@luxidream> use control+move a lot, g isn't fast enough 18:23 how do you handle hunger when doing fast move? surely it 'wastes' a lot of turns? 18:23 <@luxidream> use travel command whenever possible to move to landmarks like }, >, < 18:23 <@luxidream> food rations on autopickup is usually enough 18:23 yeah food is no problem 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1073 18:24 for a realtime speedrunner, dying is cheap, so you can take risks 18:24 save your game whenever possible if you want to think about things 18:24 if you aren't doing RTA 18:25 (headsup: junethack speedrun will be RTA) 18:25 <@luxidream> route is easy 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47909 18:26 <@luxidream> minetown -> soko 1 -> castle 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1260 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47914 18:26 <@luxidream> -> quest -> win 18:26 only soko 1, for the food, ring, wand? 18:26 yep 18:26 <@luxidream> sokoban takes about 5-10 minutes 18:26 <@luxidream> you can still get a good time completing it 18:27 amateurhour: also two scrolls of earth 18:27 resources will be a problem, especially regarding scrolls 18:27 wand of poly, magic marker are important 18:27 <@luxidream> you need scrolls to write magic mapping later, so grab everything you see 18:28 with a carefully chosen autopickup I'd imagine 18:28 yes: magic mapping only costs 4-7 to write and will help you a lot in gehennom 18:29 my gehennom looks like that: votd, then port to votd + 8, magic map until you find vlads, get candelabrum, teleport to 99 to get to the bottom, find VS, walk up until you find fakewiz entry 18:30 <@luxidream> stenno and I disagree on whether tc is necessary 18:30 <@luxidream> I don't think so 18:30 tc helps you to be very fast in gehennom 18:30 digging instead of teleporting? 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1674 18:31 <@luxidream> my 1:10 run did not have tc apparently 18:31 personally i don't use pick-axe as much but it's def. the correct strat 18:32 pickaxe is super helpful in gehennom and for dfv of course if you want to break the world record :P 18:32 <@luxidream> pickaxe is necessary in gehennom to dig nice straight lines 18:32 i usually just use /oDig there but yeah 18:32 are you often burdened during these runs? 18:32 pickaxe is the proper way of doing it 18:32 nah 18:32 <@luxidream> yes 18:32 lol 18:32 <@luxidream> no boh and too much stuff = burdened 18:32 i always take boh 18:33 i will wish for it at the castle 18:33 <@luxidream> take it from where exactly? 18:33 <@luxidream> sometimes you don't have enough wishes for that 18:33 thats true 18:33 using a wand of digging requires a lot more strategic thinking where to dig, and that takes time. with a pickaxe you just plow through 18:33 (a turncount speedrun on the other hand would use wands of digging) 18:34 hmm i guess i mix realtime and gametime strats 18:34 <@luxidream> well stenno has very clean turncounts too 18:34 <@luxidream> I don't 18:34 yeah but those aren't important 18:35 my ascensions are ~17k turns 18:35 <@luxidream> most of my better runs only fall around 20k 18:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:20865 18:36 amateurhour: as a first milestone, you could try sub-4h 18:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 18:37 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 18:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 18:37 that's a good first target, my fastest on the scoreboard appears to be 8:29 18:38 trust in the OP power of the valk 18:38 oof is insane 18:38 oof technically doubles your HP 18:38 how do you deal with the Quest experience level requirement? 18:38 seems like the main bottleneck for a speedrun 18:38 i will be XL 12 when i am at the castle 18:38 <@luxidream> wraith luring 18:38 and votd will drop at least 2 valk corpss 18:39 <@luxidream> potions of gain level 18:39 see i don't even lure them, i trust that votd will drop corpses 18:39 consorting with foocubi of the night? 18:39 btw i raid the votd 18:39 amateurhour: nah 18:39 <@luxidream> cha too low 18:39 ahh 18:39 with valk, votd is my main source of stuff 18:39 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 321 points, T:470, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:39 <@luxidream> maybe a desperate strategy 18:39 yep 18:39 so that's part of the reason for Castle before Quest then 18:39 <@luxidream> I don't do votd 18:39 <@luxidream> too much time 18:40 <@luxidream> to open every box 18:40 takes a lot of time but its worth the resources 18:40 well kinda depends on what i already have 18:40 <@luxidream> I use a tripe ration and scroll of confusion to levelport out 18:40 votd chests are mostly for rings 18:40 <@luxidream> scroll of teleportation* 18:40 <@luxidream> make sure wraiths are adjacent then hope for corpses 18:40 <@luxidream> uncontrolled levelport is extremely likely to take you up 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:276 18:41 <@luxidream> Adeon has told me he thinks exploring further into Gehennom immediately may be faster, but I'm not sure why he thinks that 18:41 yeah thats important: if you don't have tc after votd, just confused tele, sooner or later you will land above medusa and can go to the quest 18:41 <@luxidream> maybe I should try it 18:41 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest61169 18:41 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 18:41 -!- Guest61169 has quit [Killed (sinisalo.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 18:41 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 18:42 <@luxidream> I have eggs and tripe on autopickup as well 18:42 do you turn starting pet off? 18:42 <@luxidream> yes 18:43 they are in the way 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:306 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4838 points, T:2317, killed by a Woodland-elf 18:44 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law), 228 points, T:345, killed by a boulder 18:44 do you spend time getting (un)holy waters? 18:45 confused remove curse 18:45 <@luxidream> you want holy waters 18:45 i tend to do c?oRC at the votd altar 18:45 if i don't have (un)holy water yet 18:45 but you usually find an altar you can use for holy water 18:46 <@luxidream> doesn't it need to be blessed remove curse? 18:46 <@luxidream> in order to have a good chance at getting either 18:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:21414 18:47 er right 18:47 derp 18:48 its an efficient use of a scroll imo 18:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48 I'll try a run or two tomorrow 18:48 <@luxidream> but you would most likely need to already have holy water to use confused blessed remove curse 18:49 yeah its more for unholy water 18:49 do you stick to just using excalibur, or do you later twoweapon? 18:49 can fountain dip for unholy water but thats terribly unreliable 18:49 sticking to exca is enough 18:50 you maybe need the shield for AC 18:50 <@luxidream> you don't need unholy water imo 18:50 @luxidream well you will need it for TC strats 18:50 <@luxidream> no 18:50 <@luxidream> use the orb 18:50 that only works once 18:50 <@luxidream> then n23423432s then use it again 18:50 oh you 18:51 right, i have the gametime mindset a bit ^_^" 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Mimí, her faithful kitten, on T:135 18:51 maybe now is a good opportunity to point out that the world record is 1h3m, luxis record is like 1h10m, and mine is 2h17 18:52 I'm guessing finding the square and portals in the planes is a mixture of confused gold detection 18:52 and applying the orb of fate? 18:52 <@luxidream> use the orb for all of that 18:52 <@luxidream> but if you have gold detection that is also nice 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law), 61 points, T:86, killed by a jackal 18:53 problem of oof apply is that it depends on int which you probably don't have a lot of, and also needs recharging at some point 18:53 you _should_ be able to write gold detection, its also just 4-7 like magic mapping 18:54 how many markers do you try to have in a run? 18:54 <@luxidream> problem is actually knowing it 18:54 amateurhour: as much as possible 18:54 the more the better i'd say 18:54 even worth wresting the castle wand for? 18:54 depends on your situation :P 18:55 <@luxidream> oh you need opposite alignment too 18:55 <@luxidream> very important 18:56 <@riker> i've seen you save a wish for that most of the time (on astral) 18:56 <@luxidream> though I haven't done the math on the nerfed force 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:284 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1148 points, T:1129, killed by a small mimic 18:56 my last wish is usually a magic marker or a specific ring before entering the planes 18:57 even without hooa i was able to do planes in ~200 turns 18:58 but that was before plane of water nerf 18:58 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1605 18:58 plane of water is such a nuisance for both realtime and gametime speedrunners 18:58 its like the hands in super mario bors 18:58 bors 18:58 BROS 18:58 souped up mario boars 18:58 super mario bors, the Russian crossover 18:59 super mario borscht 18:59 yummy 19:00 dunno 19:00 not a fan of beet 19:00 neither am I 19:00 is the hooa purely for the mysterious force? 19:00 can recommend blenis if you are into slavic cuisine 19:00 might skip it while learning I think 19:00 amateurhour: well it gives you 2/3 chance to ascend on the first altar 19:00 what are the hands in super mario bros? 19:01 aosdict: ok, so super mario bros has this kind of 'map' layout that you maybe know from super mario world. so you walk around a map and then enter the actual levels 19:01 there are hands on the map? 19:02 and in the LAST stage of super mario bros, there is a path in the map that you are forced to take, and there are 5 tiles of 'hands' 19:02 directly after one another 19:02 and each hand has a chance (1/2? 1/3?) to pull you into a minilevel that you have to solve 19:02 ah, smb3 19:02 there are a bunch of smb games 19:02 smb3 best game though 19:02 https://www.mariowiki.com/World_8-Hand_Traps 19:02 oh those things 19:03 I could only think of the wallmasters from the original Legend of Zelda 19:03 which are also incredibly annoying 19:03 <@luxidream> honestly you can do a pretty low risk strategy and still get a good time 19:03 <@luxidream> complete sokoban, mines, etc 19:03 yeah should be enough for sub-4h 19:03 I suppose most of the time saved is in not hanging about 19:04 moving properly 19:04 the greatest waste of time is probably camping for unneccessary things and idling 19:04 once you cut out your idle time, your realtime will improve by a lot 19:05 thanks stenno now the airship theme is stuck in my head 19:05 dum dudududum 19:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TO0N4KxzPE 19:06 <@luxidream> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1571472528.nh.txt 19:06 <@luxidream> this wizard did basically everything 19:06 1h44m, wow 19:06 already better than my best time :P 19:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 6738 points, T:2209, killed by a water moccasin, while improvising a tune 19:07 while improvising a tune, that's a new one 19:07 do you reckon you could beat your valk time with a wizard? 19:08 <@luxidream> I'd need a wow 19:08 one day luxi will find a first-room wow and smash adeon's speed record 19:09 the pressure must be insane 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1803 19:09 <@luxidream> I should practice in explore mode 19:10 <@luxidream> so when I actually get a wow it's not a big deal 19:11 stream it on twitch and have a heart rate monitor like darbian 19:12 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 733 points, T:1228, killed by a dwarf 19:12 <@luxidream> it is pretty stressful 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law), 6462 points, T:6268, killed by a soldier, while praying 19:13 <@luxidream> no matter how long it takes you to finish the game, nethack feels the same length 19:13 <@luxidream> :/ 19:13 true 19:14 must be much more pleasant now with the MF nerf 19:14 <@luxidream> I gotta do the math on that 19:14 <@luxidream> and figure out how much it actually helps 19:14 <@luxidream> but it reduces variance which is good 19:14 for a second I thought you meant mind flayer nerf 19:14 not that one, even though thats also convenient 19:15 but usually the run ends if you get amnesia'd anyway 19:16 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 260 points, T:393, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 499 points, T:2291, killed by a soldier ant 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:16850 19:20 going to head to sleep now, thanks for taking the time to give some tips 19:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] blarblar (Fla Dop Fem Cha), 3589 points, T:1627, killed by a jaguar 19:20 will try some runs tomorrow 19:20 looking forward to it 19:20 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 19:21 -!- rspots has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:17197 19:25 -!- nabru has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 -!- Novalith has left #hardfought 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:17560 19:33 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 19:40 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:529 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:725 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 221 points, T:775, killed by a jackal 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:389 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:939 19:50 I worn an amulet and it turned out to be an amulet of change. Well, I guess I will have to be a male Val now. 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:10302 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1142 19:53 nabru: did you BUC-ID it before? 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1170 19:54 stenno2, my pet stepped on it so it wasn't cursed 19:54 alright 19:54 well, enjoy your newfound masculinity 19:55 :D 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1011 19:56 Yikes, picked up a grey stone without thinking. It's a loadstone 19:56 :/ 19:57 nou 19:59 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20685 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2457 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Mal Law), 1901 points, T:3134, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1129 20:25 * bug_sniper gives nabru a hotplate to cook loadstone and turn it back into a piece of magnetite 20:28 Thanks! :D 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1933 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:2049 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:503 20:43 -!- slengtorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1411 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10728 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:10761 20:55 YANI: Fumbling and greasy fingers disable multishot. 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4544 points, T:2591, killed by a mumak 21:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 21:02 [hdf-us] [slshm] blarblar (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 188 points, T:341, killed by a coyote 21:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] blarblar (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 47 points, T:179, killed by a falling rock 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4227 21:09 that's also an epi 21:09 meh how often do ranged weapon users have those problems 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:27305 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27322 21:19 epi: monsters splash grease at you to make you drop your weapon 21:19 "splash grease"? 21:19 I dunno it's pretty viscous stuff 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law), 3005 points, T:1888, killed by a priest of Tyr 21:25 -!- slengtorm has joined #hardfought 21:37 sid viscous, my favorite punk bassist 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:511 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:841 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Hum Fem Law), 460 points, T:914, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 8397 points, T:5769, killed by a bolt of cold 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:29977 22:12 first day of spring - yesterday started below 0C, today was 10C. Perfect. 22:12 for a winter that largely didn't happen, it still feels fairly cold, yes 22:13 winter was awesome in the PNW 22:13 we had 15 degrees earlier this week 22:13 so much snow 22:13 envious 22:13 and now they closed all the ski areas :( At least I got up the last day they were open. 22:13 pnw? 22:13 pacific north west? 22:13 ya 22:14 bouquet: wait, you got "so much snow" and your ski areas close in march? 22:14 like, rocky mountains? 22:14 ski areas all over the country are closed due to some bug going around, dunno much about it ;) 22:14 oh right 22:14 stenno2: cascades I would think? 22:15 ya, cascades 22:15 ok, on a normal year, how late do the ski areas stay open 22:16 one year we were skiing july 4th. 22:16 nice 22:16 and Mt Hood is year round up on the palmer glacier. 22:16 and Blackcomb 22:16 I miss winter 22:16 I want to try june skiing tuckerman ravine on mount washington at some point 22:16 is there snow there in june? 22:16 yes 22:16 do it 22:17 it's also somewhat scary... I've hiked up tuckerman in the summer, it's steep 22:17 there are minimal "chutes" which are safe and avoid going over a cliff 22:17 to answer your question, a normal year they usually close in May. People have shifted to warm summery things and skiing isn't at the top of the list so they can't afford to operate 22:18 * stenno2 looks up cascades in the context of northern american geography 22:18 oh i see its a mountain range 22:19 volcanoes 22:19 volcanoes everywhere. 22:19 most dangerous place on earth 22:19 insert buzz lightyear jpg 22:20 We ski on them, even. Some are still active like Mt Hood. Some days it stinks like sulfur at the top of the glacier. 22:21 I dunno about most dangerous place on earth... surely there's somewhere more deadly than a volcano which isn't actively erupting 22:21 (and yes I know that active != actively erupting) 22:21 it's what we tell the tourists 22:22 oh nice 22:22 hopefully some day I will hike the PCT and get a taste of the cascades 22:23 northern america has some extremely nice nature 22:23 do you mean north america the continent or the north part of the US 22:24 granted, I can't think of a ton of amazing nature in the southern part of the US 22:24 the southwest has nice desert terrain. but the southeast? uh 22:24 continent 22:25 the yellowstone, the thing with the very big trees 22:25 that's... not yellowstone. that's in california 22:25 there's two E/W thoroughfares - I90 and Hwy2 - which have a nice chunk of PCT between them (108km). I'd like to hike that stretch some time. 22:25 I assume you mean the redwood + sequoia trees 22:26 yellowstone is the one with all the cool geothermal activity because it sits on top of a giant magma plume 22:28 oh sorry that should've been a ; instead of , 22:28 yes redwood trees 22:28 and you have deserts and you have tropical climate and flora 22:29 The cascades aren't known for their elevations like the rockies. There's just a lot of volcanoes that are very prominent so things seem big. 22:32 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3258 points, T:710, killed by a magic missile 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2883 22:34 <@microlance> i just accidently used a wand of cancellation on myself, no more wands or +4 excal etc. mayhaps testing wands on yourself is a bad idea 22:36 bouquet: the cascades elevations are impressive to me, the highest peak in the appalachians is only 6700 feet or so 22:37 oh mt. rainier 22:38 that is often photographed in the earthporn-like subreddits 22:38 stenno2: also I think the only state in the us that has a true tropical climate is hawaii 22:39 right 22:39 oh cascades also has st. helens 22:39 (I would have said "place in the us" but there are other pacific territories that qualify) 22:39 lots of famours vulcanos 22:39 guam? 22:40 I admit I can't think of any besides Rainier, St Helens and Hood. 22:40 but I have never been out there so have more of an excuse :) 22:40 how do you even have colonies in 21st century 22:41 the us is far from being the only country with colonies 22:41 france probably has 1-2 left 22:41 <{Demo}1> I'm a colonist 22:41 france has a slice of south america 22:42 {Demo}1: a rimworld colonist? 22:42 GB probably has 1,2 too 22:42 i guess all the 'dominions' like canada and australia? 22:43 I don't know about colonies of great britain, but they have an awful lot of places that recognize the Queen and have the union jack as part of their flag 22:43 See if I remember my middle school geography... from N to S it goes Baker, Glacier Peak, Mt Stewart, Rainier, Adams, Helens, Hood, Jefferson, Sisters, Bachelor, ... Shasta 22:43 I know I missed a bunch. 22:44 stenno2: I'm sure you've seen this but just in case not https://what-if.xkcd.com/48/ 22:44 bouquet: oh, shasta. yeah duh. crater lake 22:44 oh ya, crater lake. Was just there last August. 22:45 aosdict: wasn't aware of that, thanks 22:45 why are you ripping off the white mountains by also naming your peaks after presidents >:-| 22:45 there's a movement to rename Rainier to Tahoma (it's original name). 22:45 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2196 22:47 sounds better 22:47 cool with me! 22:48 did the movement to rename McKinley to Denali succeed? 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2720 points, T:3971, killed by a giant spider 22:50 I don't hear it called McKinley any more. My inlaws were there this summer and "Denali" was the only name I heard. 22:50 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cascade_volcanoes 22:51 i want to make a CSS joke but can't really think of anything witty 22:53 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:59 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 23:01 <{Demo}1> cascading shit show 23:05 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:3695 23:12 Where 23:12 I wanna see 23:13 shit, not Mt. McKinley anymore? requires a recalibration from geography nerds 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:36669 23:22 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law), 255845 points, T:36761, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 23:31 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1186 23:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:50 Woooooooooow. 23:50 !lastgame recuerdo 23:50 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/recuerdo/nethack/dumplog/1584551510.nh.html 23:50 "You were wearing an uncursed ring of levitation. You finish disrobing. You fall into a pit! You land on a set of sharp iron spikes! The spikes were poisoned! The poison was deadly... Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq] (y)" 23:51 WHAT ARE YOU DOIIIIINNNNNGGGG 23:51 <{Demo}1> poison instadeath totally isn't complete bullshit 23:52 am I the only person that thinks it's a valid game mechanic? 23:52 <{Demo}1> no, some others do 23:52 it's a race to get intrinsic resistances the way I play 23:53 I don't go very far south until I've got poison resistance at a minimum. 23:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:28304 23:56 Why even go that far without poison resistance, though. 23:56 Also there's far more BS things imho.