00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2621 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law), 435 points, T:2654, killed by a little dog 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9294 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4049 points, T:9576, killed by a soldier ant, while fainted from lack of food 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:24833 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:24872 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1182 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Cav Hum Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1255 00:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 shield of yggdrasil", on T:3422 00:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 16775 points, T:3640, killed by a little dog 00:30 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:30 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Cav Hum Mal Law), 921 points, T:2773, killed by a gas cloud 00:36 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:44 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:01 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:04 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2792 01:12 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3647 01:15 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:19 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4385 01:33 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The scoreboards are back! - https://hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard - now tracks all three servers 01:37 gmite o/ 01:37 gnite even 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:27450 01:49 <@Suzune Takada> ah 01:50 <@Suzune Takada> in spl, elves are weak for iron weapons 01:52 -!- irina|log has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:52 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- irina|log is now known as Guest48102 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:28004 01:57 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1291 02:08 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) made their first wish - "+2 blessed gray dragon scale mail", on T:7941 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:1814 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4374 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4412 02:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:33 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:42 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:47 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:11587 03:12 <@Suzune Takada> deep one... from cthulhu mythos? 03:23 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12842 03:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:41 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:41 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 03:41 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:45 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon them by Tyr, on T:15362 03:46 <@Suzune Takada> first gift of valkyrie, gungnir instead of mjollnir? 03:47 Maybe Mjollnir is already hidden somewhere. 03:49 <@Suzune Takada> oops 03:54 Was it changed in Splice? 04:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3789 04:08 <@Suzune Takada> anyway gungnir itself seems good artifact 04:08 <@Suzune Takada> also gives lightning damage 04:09 <@Suzune Takada> like mjollnir 04:17 <@Suzune Takada> lol 04:18 <@Suzune Takada> peaceful dwarf went into polymorph trap 04:18 <@Suzune Takada> and turns to wax golem 04:18 <@Suzune Takada> but still peaceful 04:21 Peacefuls that get polymorphed remain so unless the means by which it occurred made them angry 04:39 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19893 04:40 <@Suzune Takada> yay 04:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6488 04:44 could be flintstone 04:53 You're a flintstone 04:55 Meet the Flintstones! 04:56 yabba-dabba-doo! 04:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 04:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18509 04:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:08 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:32130 05:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Premium Heart", on T:8339 05:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale shield", on T:8352 05:30 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:31 <@Suzune Takada> gray dragon scale "shield"? 05:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49 The gnome zaps a maple wand! The wand hits you! You feel less confused now. 05:52 huh, just got killed by a gray dragon on level 9 in the mines, must be a poly trap 06:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:05 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:05 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 06:05 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:12861 07:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:25 yaaaaaaay there's a new fleecy coronavirus-powered scoreboard ♥! and wtf, I'm only on rank #7 for slex?! 07:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:15267 08:12 LarienTelrunya I guess you have some time now to address that :P 08:12 ascend slex online hah 08:12 :D 08:20 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:26 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:27349 08:26 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27350 08:26 <@Suzune Takada> orb of weight 08:27 <@Suzune Takada> fortunately I'm angel so I'm flying 08:28 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest20542 08:28 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:31 -!- Guest20542 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:41235 09:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:590 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:12074 09:15 -!- hdf-guest-49 has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- hdf-guest-49 is now known as rspots 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:12151 09:35 YANI: if you're riding a monster that is too big to fit through narrow passages, you can't move through narrow passages unless you dismount. 09:36 I think it already works that way 09:36 maybe 3.6 actually did that? 09:36 but in slex I can still ride through diagonal openings :D 09:36 Ah 09:37 Well, not in 3.6. 09:38 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) polymorphed their first object, on T:34560 09:38 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 09:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:41 <@Suzune Takada> fort ludios layout seems different from vanilla 09:42 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 09:43 -!- beetcoin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:43 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 how bad of an idea would it be to do the planes without levitation? 09:44 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 09:44 -!- hothraxx1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 its doable 09:45 but not recommended 09:45 at all 09:45 If you're extremely careful, the Plane of Fire may be ok. 09:45 The Plane of Air will be troublesome. 09:45 once i made it to plane of air without lev, had to throw all my gems to push myself across the map 09:45 I might have some levi boots, got some unid'd boots 09:45 that and get swallowed by a vortex and hitch a ride 09:45 can't remember if perseus' statue had some 09:46 did each gem move you one square? :D 09:46 Air isn't as bad without levitation as most people thin 09:46 *think 09:46 but you'll want to be heavily prepared in other respects, especially for taking on air elementals 09:47 you can move quite quickly by kicking off monsters, but bear in mind that that will leave you paralyzed for a length of time proportional to the distance you moved 09:47 so make sure there's nothing very near your destination 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Geewoody's ghost, the former Knight, on T:46486 09:48 <{Demo}1> wew 09:48 <{Demo}1> grays and merlin 09:48 yessssss, they're levi boots 09:49 sick 09:50 if I manage it this will be genoless, wishless, weaponless, vegan, polyless, elbeless 09:50 <@Tone> It's very doable with blessed levitation potions too 09:51 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 09:51 I suppose the two planes it matters for are relatively very short 09:52 <@Tone> Seven conducts + Eless, not bad 😄 09:52 <{Demo}1> how do I uncurse a cursed boh? 09:52 <@Tone> Yeah you can probably do air and fire with one potion most of the time 09:52 <@Tone> Zap it with cancelation Demo 09:52 <{Demo}1> I did that twice 09:52 <{Demo}1> it still weighs an ass load 09:53 <{Demo}1> the wand of cancellation is cursed 09:53 <{Demo}1> that shouldn't matter 09:56 <{Demo}1> oh fuck, there's a small fortune here 10:01 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) killed Croesus, on T:35173 10:01 <@Suzune Takada> yes 10:02 <{Demo}1> jesus 10:03 <{Demo}1> this isn't a perfect bones 10:03 <{Demo}1> not everything is perfect. but it is amazing 10:03 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 10:03 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/9ab6994eae995bb78f200251e6b8b96414ec48ac 10:03 I’m laughing and crying at the same time 10:04 that change has surely got to be a good thing, at least if the encounter happens in Gehennom (as it normally does) 10:05 Oh, it’s a great change. 10:06 I can’t say I won’t miss being able to exploit Juiblex for two turn kills, but this change is a huge improvement and makes Juiblex actually interesting again, which is well worth it. 10:06 <{Demo}1> ais I disagree 10:06 <{Demo}1> I would argue most juib encounters happen before gehennom 10:06 <{Demo}1> because there are a lot of players that never make it there and get him from sac 10:07 I've seen him from fountains 10:07 {Demo}1: The players that get him from sac probably won’t know about wands of digging being used to kill him though. 10:07 but in Gehennom he was kind of a joke because of that. 10:07 <@Suzune Takada> what's "Non" in dnh? 10:07 Non-binary? 10:08 lol Jubilex is still kind of a joke because he's so slow, and halving his HP means you can probably hack him up in one or two hits once you broke out from him 10:08 Binder's Void alignment (Non-aligned). 10:08 <@Suzune Takada> ah 10:09 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:09 True, yeah. 10:11 also why don't we just declare unnethack to be vanilla, and 3.4.3 and 3.7 to be variants of unnethack :P 10:12 <{Demo}1> antigulp, yeah, but I do when I find their bones :P 10:12 ~~Maybe when Cthulhu arrives in the Sanctum.~~ 10:12 ~~ disintegrators when~~ 10:12 <{Demo}1> can I alchemize with diluted potions in vanilla anymore? 10:12 They barely show up anywhere in Un either. 10:13 Yes 10:13 <{Demo}1> or will they get more diluted and become water? 10:13 I think? 10:15 The only difference is that if you're dipping diluted potions, random alchemy results will instead always be water. 10:16 <{Demo}1> worked 10:18 <{Demo}1> ok wtf 10:18 <{Demo}1> apparently this is a double bones level 10:18 <{Demo}1> found a statue of a guy 10:18 <{Demo}1> unlooted by the other bones guy 10:18 <{Demo}1> wtf 10:18 <{Demo}1> it's a party in the votd 10:18 The other one died before they can get to the statue? 10:19 <{Demo}1> idk 10:19 What were they killed by? 10:19 <{Demo}1> the guy that died ate some ancient ooze drp 10:19 <{Demo}1> and died of posion 10:19 <{Demo}1> the statue is a statue 10:19 oh 10:21 <{Demo}1> I put an sm scroll on a bag and a leprechaun didn't respect it 10:27 <@Tone> Are you playing vanilla? 10:28 <@Tone> That hasn't worked since 343 10:30 <{Demo}1> what 10:31 <{Demo}1> I thought sm got buffed to hell in 36? 10:31 <{Demo}1> how do I get monsters to fuck off from my stash? 10:32 Do leprechauns open containers now? 10:32 <@Tone> You can lock it 10:33 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 10:33 <@Tone> Andrio: Monsters can loot containers in 3.7 currently 10:34 YASI: if you perform any hostile action while in a temple sanctuary, that temple's sanctuary is lost. and if you perform hostile actions while standing on a scare monster scroll, the scroll burns up. Because hypocrisy should affect all sources of monster scaring. :P 10:34 mm 10:35 If you're still in the Valley, you can shove your bag in one of the chests. 10:35 Alternatively, hide it under a boulder or on a different floor. 10:35 YASI: if a monster loots items from a bag that it has no use for, it'll try to throw them into the nearest pool of water or lava. 10:36 <{Demo}1> these bags aren't movable 10:36 <{Demo}1> they are too heavy 10:36 <{Demo}1> these guys had way too much shit 10:36 <{Demo}1> I already dumped one on the altar 10:36 <{Demo}1> the other one makes me overtaxed 10:36 <{Demo}1> and has so much shit 10:36 <@Tone> Polymorph into something strong 💪 10:36 <{Demo}1> I am strong 10:37 {Demo}1: is it cursed? if so, just loot it repeatedly until it becomes lighter! 10:37 <{Demo}1> poly forms in vanilla don't get higher carry cap 10:37 <{Demo}1> no amy, it is uncursed 10:37 wtf 10:37 <{Demo}1> yeah 10:37 <{Demo}1> this guy was carrying a lot 10:37 Is it even a bag of holding? 10:37 <{Demo}1> yah 10:37 bless it then 10:37 Is it worth blessing it? 10:37 <{Demo}1> cant, I'm overtaxed 10:37 <{Demo}1> I'm just slowly looting out the good stuff 10:38 <{Demo}1> I have too much loot 10:38 or just take out a few heavy things, dump them, and then pick up the bag normally? 10:38 Tip it, bless it and put everything back in? 10:38 <{Demo}1> found 2 WoWs on votd 10:38 :o 10:38 <{Demo}1> 0:2 0:3 10:38 <{Demo}1> and also every other item I could want 10:38 <{Demo}1> +7 grays, mirror of merlin 10:39 <{Demo}1> no offhand katana but I already polypiled for that on the castle levek 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14278 10:40 <{Demo}1> honestly, I might ignore this all 10:40 <{Demo}1> get just enough to run my win plan 10:40 <{Demo}1> and ignore all the extra loot 10:40 <{Demo}1> I can't deal with it all 10:41 <{Demo}1> there is too much 10:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1981 10:43 <{Demo}1> I already had more wishes than I needed from 0:2 castle wand 10:43 <{Demo}1> now I'm just like wtf 10:45 1st world problems 10:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:27666 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 demonbane", on T:317391 10:56 <{Demo}1> cool, maxed armor 10:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2414 10:57 heh 10:59 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 11:01 <{Demo}1> why wish for demonbane in vanilla? 11:02 <{Demo}1> esp as a wizard? 11:05 why not 11:05 demonbane is cool 11:06 all your friends wish for it 11:07 ^ peer pressure 11:08 <{Demo}1> has it been buffed,from343? 11:08 It stops demons from gating while you wield it. 11:08 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/f106b578a25b49e6d4de8dcde72347af0324caa6 11:09 what Andrio said 11:09 So no Demogorgon. 11:09 Not sure whether the Wizard can still summon him. 11:10 Yes, he can 11:11 <@Tone> huh, so I assume any summon nasties spell in gehennom could still summon them? 11:14 <{Demo}1> that's all? 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:49320 11:16 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:16 <{Demo}1> killing juib in 2 turns didn't work 11:17 <{Demo}1> aols wearing devil 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:49488 11:23 <{Demo}1> wtf 11:23 <{Demo}1> random wow on beezys 11:23 how many WoW's is that now? 11:23 <{Demo}1> oh it's 0:1 this is unacceptable 11:24 <{Demo}1> 4 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:49936 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:50040 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:50041 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11671 11:28 <{Demo}1> yeah bugger off now h meanies 11:31 <{Demo}1> time to switch to excal as to not get my shit floored in by hypersonic vlad 11:33 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:33 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 11:33 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50535 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50537 11:34 <{Demo}1> slight 11:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 11:39 ouch 11:39 oof 11:40 I should really do something about premature unavoidable death wands... 11:40 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:40 nah 11:40 EPI: everything has to wield a wand before being able to zap it 11:40 leave it. it adds flavor 11:40 Give the player a death wand in their starting inventory. Make things fair :P 11:40 this way, you see monsters wield wands, but you also have to wield wands 11:41 lol 11:41 implement harry potter type wands 11:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:22546 11:42 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 11:42 <{Demo}1> why can't I get shock res from corpses in vanilla anymore? 11:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:42 they removed getting shock res from corpses 11:42 nerf ported in from unnethack 11:43 (kidding) 11:43 <{Demo}1> I've eaten so many things that have a chance of providing so many times 11:43 <{Demo}1> yet, nothing 11:43 one thing I like about evilhack (probably spork too?) partial resistances is that if a corpse offers multiple resistances you get both 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:51430 11:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 14105 points, T:12022, killed by a malkuth sephirah, while praying 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of an archon", on T:51624 11:47 <{Demo}1> random magic lamp, already have one. wasn't sure what to do 11:49 <{Demo}1> finally, shock res 11:49 <{Demo}1> thanks blue dragon 11:51 <{Demo}1> enter WoW number 5 11:51 <{Demo}1> also 0:1 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:16053 11:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 <{Demo}1> shit that archon might have been a mistake 12:02 <{Demo}1> it hit a level teleporter 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:52697 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:13493 12:07 <{Demo}1> righto, how was the force changed in vanilla again? 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided disenchanters, on T:53791 12:12 The chance for the mysterious force to trigger drops each time it does. 12:12 aosdict: yeah the partial resistance things with getting a lil bit from one corpse if it can offer it came from sporkhack 12:13 makes black puddings, flesh golems highly valued delicacies 12:13 <{Demo}1> man I like being able to genocide whatever I want 12:13 K2: hmm I wonder if that incentivizes pudding farming... 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:13898 12:13 except you cant pudding farm anymore 12:13 just make sure to kill each black pudding on a different square 12:13 gobble up all the individual globs 12:14 boom 100% resistances 12:14 well not 100% across the board 12:14 you get 3 12:14 each one gives like 7% of fire, cold, and shock right? 12:15 yeah 12:15 7-10% i cant remember the exact % 12:15 so if I can get 15 black puddings to die on different squares 12:15 its based off of monster size 12:15 then eat the globs they drop 12:15 why won't I get 100% fire, cold and shock 12:16 i didnt say you couldnt 12:16 and pudding splitting is still the same 12:16 i thought you meant all resistances 12:16 flesh golem is even better 12:16 but they are rare 12:17 YANI: when a pudding moves onto a square containing a glob of its own type, it merges with the glob and gains HP 12:17 -!- Guest45660 is now known as math 12:17 it's pretty easy to engineer the generation of a bunch of flesh golems if you have stone to flesh, a bunch of rocks, and polymorph 12:17 <{Demo}1> time to rock up on rodney I guss 12:24 aosdict yeah that'd be cool 12:25 makes sense puddings would be able to do that yeah 12:26 slengtorm, poollovernathan in #nethack seems to be a bit of a help vampire, so dunno how useful it'll be to keep trying to help 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54570 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54578 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:54619 12:31 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:31 'help vampire' 12:31 catchy 12:31 sounds like a slex monster amy will someday add 12:32 aosdict: I wasn't trying to help, I was just chatting, didn't know what he was talking about 12:32 Maybe that should be a hallucinatory monster invanilla 12:33 also didn't I already ask them to search the same room last time they were here? 12:33 I think it's funny to die of starvation on dungeon level 1 due to being unable to find the stairs behind a secret door or corridor 12:33 Kinda, if you aren't new.. 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1286 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54847 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:54853 12:34 Why is 'The' capitalised? 12:34 there should be competitions to collect funny and novel deaths 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1400 12:35 doesn't Junethack do that? 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1434 12:35 I don't know, I don't participate in anything 12:35 I mostly just try not to die and then fail 12:35 mm 12:35 I don't play variants enough to participate in Junethack unfortunately. 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:14831 12:38 I think Junethack is the excuse for trying loads of variants tbh 12:41 that's no reason not to participate andrio :P junethack and nethack in general is all about having fun 12:41 o 12:42 <{Demo}1> nerfed force is chill 12:43 what happened to force? 12:43 so many new changes in the last few weeks 12:43 That was nerfed in December. 12:44 oh really? I hadn't noticed on my last run 12:44 indaresting 12:45 <@Tone> Every time you are sent back a floor, your chances of getting hit by it again are reduced 12:45 <@Tone> or something along those lines 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:56661 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:56779 12:55 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:56894 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18106 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:56939 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:56982 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed figurine of cerberus", on T:57017 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "50000 potions of booze named demo's closet wine", on T:57020 13:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +127 fixed greased wand of wishing", on T:57021 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's dad", on T:57024 13:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's mom", on T:57026 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's baby sister", on T:57029 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Arc Hum Fem Law), 448 points, T:166, killed by a kobold 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's mean older brother", on T:57031 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carls weird uncle", on T:57037 13:11 <{Demo}1> "you got a bad feeling about this" 13:13 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:335 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's senile grandma", on T:57038 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's grandpa who says bad things", on T:57042 13:15 lol 13:15 <@riker> demo is this on the high altar 13:15 <@riker> yeah ok 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl's weird cousin that eats gravel", on T:57043 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:534 13:16 <{Demo}1> sometimes u have an extra wish so u can wish for carl 13:16 <{Demo}1> but I have enough to wish for his whole family 13:17 <@riker> how many wands was that 13:17 <{Demo}1> fuck I have way too many wishes 13:17 <{Demo}1> 5 wands and still a lot to go 13:17 <{Demo}1> like 5 total 13:17 where did you get all those wands? 13:17 <@riker> how the hell did you grab so many lmao 13:17 <{Demo}1> 2 and a half lefr 13:17 <{Demo}1> I'm not wresting 13:17 i'd say 'pudding farming' but you're not even playing an old version 13:17 <{Demo}1> bones and 2 random ones and castle 13:18 <@riker> it's demo, he may very well have found a vanilla segfault exploit or something stupid like that 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "two number 9s", on T:57045 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a number 9 large", on T:57045 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a number 6 with extra dip", on T:57047 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a number 7", on T:57048 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "two number 45s, one with cheese", on T:57051 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "and a large diet coke", on T:57052 13:23 <{Demo}1> the big smoke order 13:23 <{Demo}1> still more wishes left 13:23 people are expecting that there will be a curfew over the whole country announced tonight 13:26 <{Demo}1> uh oh 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +5 fixed dragonhide water walking boots of speed", on T:57053 13:28 so strange 13:28 as i have a pre-existing heart condition, the chance of me dying from this is like 10% instead of 3$ 13:28 3% 13:29 :( 13:29 stay safe bro 13:29 and if you consider that like 70% of the whole population will get it, there is a 7% chance that i just die 13:29 without any cure 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased Dirge \o/", on T:57055 13:29 strange times 13:32 <{Demo}1> damn 13:32 <{Demo}1> stay safe 13:33 well there is not that much i can do 13:33 imma try 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "The Bizarro Orgasmatron", on T:57059 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "15 pink ping pong balls", on T:57060 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl", on T:57061 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2204924 points, T:57062, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/nethack/dumplog/1584465956.nh.html 13:37 grats {Demo}1 13:37 how is the latest nethack 13:37 gratz Demo! 13:38 <{Demo}1> really easy when you have 2 bones on votd with good items 13:38 <{Demo}1> mine was flipped horizontally 13:38 <{Demo}1> and that was cool 13:38 lol 13:38 -!- every has joined #hardfought 13:39 <{Demo}1> 2 bones wows + 2 gehennom wows 13:39 <{Demo}1> +early wizard bones 13:39 ez 13:39 <{Demo}1> +being a valk 13:39 bones are a mistake 13:39 <{Demo}1> like, once a valk finds a comr it's gf 13:39 <{Demo}1> gg 13:51 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 13:59 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:20 [hdf-us] [fh] Daeer (RasselK) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31978 points, T:2093, killed by a giant spider 14:22 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 14:23 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12563 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:20042 14:39 20:33:27 up 10:32, 1 user, load average: 0,59, 0,77, 0,90 14:39 You are transported to a room where you are faced by a wizard who 14:39 points to you and says, "Them's fighting words!" You immediately get 14:39 attacked by all sorts of denizens of the museum: there is a cobra 14:39 chewing on your leg, a troglodyte is bashing your brains out with a 14:39 gold nugget, a crocodile is removing large chunks of flesh from you, a 14:39 rhinoceros is goring you with his horn, a sabre-tooth cat is busy 14:39 trying to disembowel you, you are being trampled by a large mammoth, a 14:39 vampire is sucking you dry, a Tyrannosaurus Rex is sinking his six inch 14:39 long fangs into various parts of your anatomy, a large bear is 14:39 dismembering your body, a gargoyle is bouncing up and down on your 14:39 head, a burly troll is tearing you limb from limb, several dire wolves 14:39 are making mince meat out of your torso, and the wizard is about to 14:39 transport you to the corner of Westwood and Broxton. Oh dear, you seem 14:39 to have gotten yourself killed, as well. 14:39 You scored 0 out of 250 possible points. 14:39 That gives you a ranking of junior beginning adventurer. 14:39 To achieve the next higher rating, you need to score 32 more points. 14:39 lol what a fortune :D 14:41 -!- every has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 14:42 -!- inari is now known as Guest77497 14:53 NAOrsa hahah 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2879 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3083 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:34615 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3574 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3901 15:07 -!- Guest77497 has quit [Quit: Guest77497] 15:08 <@Mugiwara> "a vampire is sucking you dry" kinky 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 18901 points, T:14580, killed by a horse, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:707 15:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 15:17 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest78065 15:17 -!- Guest78065 has quit [Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 15:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 15:26 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 15:28 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28 <@Tone> overpowered by a manes, what a way to go out 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:6270 15:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1852 15:36 [hdf-us] [un] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 384 points, T:1999, killed by a giant spider 15:38 -!- slengtorm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:40 !who 15:40 K2: [hdf-us] post163 [evil] Bliss56 [nh370] kincle [nh370] wickedfierce [nh370] recuerdo [nh370] jonadab [zapm] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh370] mobileuser [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:40 K2: just remembered, "help vampire" might sound like a monster that I will someday add, but that's not accurate - it's a monster that I already added! :D 15:40 of course 15:42 LarienTelrunya, want a visualization of how much players prefer 3.6.x over 3.4.3? 15:42 https://alt.org/nethack/usage/ 15:42 3.6.0 came out dec 2015 15:42 lol I do know that no one still plays 3.4.3 nowadays 15:43 big spike in games per day starting 2016 15:43 boop 15:43 that graph is only 3.6 games? is there also one for 3.4.3 ones? 15:43 no look at the graph 15:43 look how far back it goes 15:44 -!- slengtorm has joined #hardfought 15:44 <@Tone> Maybe that just means people are dying a lot more :P 15:44 huh?! you mean before 3.6 appeared, not many people were playing at all? 15:44 ok something more concrete - 343-hdf total games played is 4279 15:44 for 36x-hdf its almost 57,000 15:44 and 370-hdf is already nearing 8000 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3131 15:45 LarienTelrunya... no 15:45 nevermind :) 15:45 just go to sleep tonight knowing players prefer 3.6/3.7 over 3.4.3 15:46 heh, that's not actually news to me 15:46 right but now you'll be thinking of what I just said 15:46 even if I was the last person on this planet to still play 3.4.3 I'd still prefer it :P 15:46 try not to think about it... go ahead 15:46 * K2 patiently waits 15:47 lol is that some white elephant thing or what? "let's play a game, whoever first thinks of a white elephant loses!" 15:47 mindfuck - complete 15:48 <@riker> hah, another addition to "ascended roles on slex" I see amy 15:49 lol 15:50 @riker well there was another ascension of a slex role :D 15:50 <@riker> yep 15:50 actually it was a vanilla role, but it wasn't ascended in slex before 15:50 K2: that graph is not really true. there was no choice between 3.4.3 and 3.6. I think you could only finished saves but not start new games 15:50 LarienTelrunya you *have*to ascend slex online 15:50 your adoring public needs proof 15:50 K2: yes, one day I hopefully will 15:51 bhaak: for quite awhile there was separation between 3.4.3 and 3.6 on nao 15:51 quite recently I had a splat in slex on the esm server, had already fully imbued the amulet and wanted to start the ascension run soon... but then I died 15:52 do it on hdf-eu so the scoreboard there records it 15:52 yes, once I get the next slex version ready for release; now I have all the time in the world to work on it :D 15:55 K2: big spike in games per day because people keep dying 15:56 nah 15:56 i dont think thats why 15:56 people die to nethack all the time 15:57 nonsense 15:57 I've never died in NH 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 14716 points, T:7439, killed by an exploding wand 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4320 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4383 16:23 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4402 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 40 darts on an altar, on T:4405 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3028 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:25157 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7032 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of teleport control", on T:25166 16:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:42 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 673 points, T:2097, killed by a black pudding 16:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:6907 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:955 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law), 192885 points, T:17580, killed by an air elemental 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4719 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1602 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3442 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2564 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:2592 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3486 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1202 points, T:2803, killed by a watch captain 17:19 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3588 17:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12684 17:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:15514 17:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:42, on T:53460 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:42, on T:53466 18:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53541 18:01 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 18:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 18:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:53737 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9779 18:11 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 18:11 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 18:13 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:14 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16 what am I doing wrong with the invocation? 18:17 somehow it didn't work 3 times 18:17 raised the dead 18:17 all is noncursed 18:17 Something's cursed. Wrong order. 18:17 What order are you doing it in? 18:17 same order as usual 18:17 move onto the square 18:17 light candles 18:17 apply bell 18:17 read book 18:18 bell is out of charges, perhaps 18:18 (well, it will be now even if it wasn't before) 18:18 it is now, after I've failed 3 times 18:18 but I had formally identified it, it had charges 18:18 :( 18:18 what specific message did you get? 18:19 incidentally, bell before candles also works as long as you do the whole sequence within 3 turns 18:19 Raising the dead is "cursed book, wrong space" or "bell/candelabrum wrong" 18:19 You have a feeling that something is amiss 18:19 hmm, idea: are you slower than normal? (e.g. heavy burden) 18:19 Worth peeking at the ttyrec 18:19 if so then the Bell might time out before you finish reading the Book 18:19 no, and I'm wearing speed boots 18:20 I literally did bell then book :S 18:20 <{Demo}1> do u have all 7 candles? 18:20 !ttyrec amateurhour 18:20 I'll charge the bell and you can watch me if you like 18:20 yes 7 candles attached 18:21 if it's disrupted by a cursed artifact 18:21 you get "At least one of your artifacts is cursed..." and no dead 18:21 didn't get that, got the 'amiss' message 18:21 yeah you get that when arti1_primed || arti2_primed is false 18:22 those would be bell and candelabrum 18:22 looking at the code (assuming 3.7), it must be a failed prime 18:22 meaning either you don't have the bell or candelabrum in main inventory 18:22 or the bell's "age" field is more than 5 turns old 18:22 or the candelabrum is unlit or is not +7 18:22 right, I'm going to use the last of my magic marker to write charging 18:23 if someone can watch and tell me what I'm doing wrong that'd be appreciated 18:23 ais523: huh, yeah I guess the invocation fails if you do the bell + candle, then drop them, then read the book on the correct space 18:23 amateurhour: which server are you on? 18:23 And which variant? 18:23 eu hardfought 3.7 18:23 aosdict: if you're fast enough you can do it without ringing the bell 18:23 ais523: what, doing it on T:4 or earlier? 18:24 aosdict: within 4 turns of the Bell being /generated/ 18:24 <{Demo}1> like the TAS 18:24 which is slightly less impossible 18:24 although still very difficult 18:24 "if you're fast enough" 18:24 yeah sure, that's still TAS territory 18:24 <{Demo}1> it is part of a proposed? path 18:24 <{Demo}1> to speed it up 18:24 the vibrating square doesn't need to be clear of items does it? 18:25 the only obstacle to a typical gametime speedrun would be killing the quest nemesis quickly 18:25 <{Demo}1> it doesn't need to be clear 18:25 all the other steps you need can be done quickly even outside TAS conditions 18:25 amateurhour: can you open inventory? 18:25 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 18:25 <{Demo}1> what was the thing in the tas being used to save moves? 18:25 <{Demo}1> being pushed onto a teleporter or something? 18:26 you keep closing it too quickly for me to read 18:26 amateurhour: why are you writing charging 18:26 you have one 18:26 need to keep one for wand of death aosdict 18:26 fair enough 18:26 OK, candelabrum is +7, unlit 18:26 <{Demo}1> wasnt there a trick that was aols burning for an extra ful lturn? 18:26 The Book is not verified uncursed 18:26 what you talking about, it's blessed Pinkbeast? :P 18:26 Pinkbeast: the book is blessed 18:26 the message would be different anyway 18:26 if the Book were cursed 18:27 so I did fail the invocation the first time by being slow, is it possible 18:27 that my retries were soon enough after 18:27 and the Book is formally BCUed 18:27 Well, the first time you do the invocation it's "a book called book of the dead" 18:27 that the bell ring was still valid 18:27 I haven't got further in the ttyrec yet 18:27 and didn't reset to full timeout? 18:27 oh, I'm watching live 18:27 * aosdict wonders why the deadbook() function names its book variable "book2" when there's no other relevant book 18:28 oh god I play like an idiot, no judgerino :( 18:28 amateurhour: the message "%s an unsettling shrill sound..." is printed if and only if the Bell's timer has just started 18:28 that should debug whether something like that is happening 18:28 does the ttyrec show when I open the past messages list? 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:19221 18:29 the ttyrec is a dumb recording of everything printed to the screen 18:29 because I opened it all confused after the invocation failed 18:29 ah right 18:30 I notice after you light the Candelabrum, it does not show up as "lit" 18:30 if you try again, we should record the turn counter when each of the relevant actions happens 18:30 Pinkbeast: oh, that would be the failed condition 18:31 :S 18:31 ugh, oh no 18:31 there's a bug in 3.4.3 where if you light the Candelabrum on the vibrating square and one candle has exactly 1 turn left 18:31 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31 oh no 18:31 then it doesn't light and can't be lit in future 18:31 are the dnh light source bugs making their way into vanilla 18:31 Furthermore you can then light it again, not snuff it 18:31 oh no 18:31 but I thought that was fixed for 3.6 18:31 pls god no 18:31 I think it's a similar bug. 18:32 I did accidentally light it earlier in the run 18:32 ffs 18:32 amateurhour: try to light the candelabrum /not/ on the vibrating square 18:32 okay, then immediately snuff it out? 18:32 right 18:32 <{Demo}1> oh jesus 18:32 <{Demo}1> this is super cool 18:32 "are being rapidly consumed" 18:33 * aosdict can confirm there is now a comment in the 'rapidly consumed' code accounting for this bug 18:33 so is this game unwinnable? 18:33 so instead of rounding down, it rounds up? 18:33 looking at this, though, the Candelabrum wouldn't become unwinnable 18:33 but you'd have to burn it out and reattach the candles 18:34 otherwise it would burn out while you were reading the Book 18:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:51, on T:54008 18:34 ah ffs, back to the mines with rodney on my tail 18:34 (in the buggy situation) 18:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:54018 18:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54020 18:34 did you see that I couldn't burn out the candles though? 18:34 it just delit 18:35 maybe a broken timer? 18:35 save and reload maybe? 18:35 <{Demo}1> hey while ur fixing lightsource bugs in vanilla can u go and fix them in dnh? 18:35 I agree it didn't become lit 18:36 we'd see these symptoms if the candelabrum's ->age field became 0 somehow 18:36 !?v vrock 18:37 but that should be impossible, unless there's some other way of doing it 18:37 …wait 18:37 * amateurhour waits 18:37 amateurhour: Hang fire on going to the Mines, it might be (eg) K2 can be persuaded to upload a jiggered version of NH that lets you rectify the bug. 18:37 ugh 18:37 I think there's a bug 18:37 ais523: trying to dup 18:38 if you light the Candelabrum with exactly 75 or 15 turns left 18:38 I think the age field gets set to 0 18:38 if you then extinguish it, a later attempt to relight will fail 18:38 while I'm _de-lighted_ to have helped find this bug 18:38 it couldn't have happened on a worse run for me 18:38 :D 18:39 this is a few conducts I've never done before including wishless and genoless 18:39 <@riker> why those numbers ais? 18:40 @riker those are... magic numbers in begin_burn? 18:40 @riker: begin_burn removes 75 fuel units from a candle or candelabrum when you light it 18:40 unless it doesn't have that many, when it removes 15 18:40 <@riker> ah, makes sense 18:40 and if it doesn't have that many it removes 0 18:41 beats me why, there's no comment explaining why 18:41 <{Demo}1> wait, lighting a candle burns extra fuel? 18:41 <{Demo}1> how does that make any sense? 18:41 I guess it's meant to stop people spam-toggling light sources 18:41 <{Demo}1> has the DT of old ever lit a candle? 18:41 <{Demo}1> but why? 18:41 it's been there since 2002 18:41 and I never knew about it 18:41 <{Demo}1> any blame? 18:41 lighting a candle burns away *75 turns* of fuel from it? 18:41 yes! 18:41 or are "fuel units" something else? 18:42 <{Demo}1> that's ridiculous 18:42 wait no 18:42 I see what happens 18:42 it's to do with messages 18:42 lighting a candle burns away /all but/ 75 turns 18:42 but you get them back when it's extinguished 18:42 <{Demo}1> what 18:42 <{Demo}1> how the fuck 18:42 <{Demo}1> why 18:43 that isn't consistent with candles I've used 18:43 or, maybe you don't? 18:43 <{Demo}1> can someone just rewrite the timer system and light system and make it not shit? 18:43 they don't burn for 75 turns then extinguish themselves 18:43 this code is hard to follow 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:21073 18:43 <{Demo}1> it really is 18:43 <{Demo}1> which is why no one really knows how it works 18:43 let's see, the time is tracked in two different variables 18:43 time for the great lighting refactor of 2020 18:43 one is obj->age 18:43 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 18:43 the other is part of the timer 18:43 when you light a candle, all but 75 turns are moved from the object's age field into the timer 18:44 -!- inari is now known as Guest81169 18:44 then cleanup_burn moves any unused turns back again 18:44 so it should be that there's no penalty for lighting 18:44 thus, the only way I can see for the bug to happen 18:44 so you sort of... loan 75 turns to the candle? 18:44 <{Demo}1> but why are we shuffling around these turns? 18:45 would be if you lit the Candelabrum with less than 15 turns left, then it somehow extinguished without calling cleanup_burn 18:45 amateurhour: you may just want to pause so K2 can get the save 18:45 okay 18:46 then we can crack it open and see what the age is 18:46 saved 18:46 I think it's highly likely that the age is 0 18:46 the question is, why? 18:46 testing with candelabrum of 15 turns worked properly 18:46 there's a 32k turn ttyrec with an answer in maybe 18:46 :) 18:47 testing with candelabrum of 0 turns is consistent with what amateurhour is seeing 18:47 I didn't do anything with the candelabrum outside of vlads 18:47 so that could narrow it down 18:47 did you get an impossible this game? 18:47 with 1 turn, it starts burning and then just dies (as should happen) 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:25215 18:48 accidentally lit it after attaching candles I think, while in vlads, noticed then snuffed it out 18:48 I think the Candelabrum would have to be extinguished when the game couldn't find its timer 18:48 when it had less than 15 turns left 18:48 not sure how the timer would go missing though 18:48 so in addition to creative, funny or novel deaths, we can look for creative ways to make a game unwinnable 18:48 this isn't NH4 ;-) 18:49 …wait, end_burn has two arguments 18:49 if the second argument were ever FALSE, and the object were a candelabrum with less than 15 turns left 18:49 then it'd break in the way we've seen 18:53 rg 'end_burn\(.+, [^(TRUE)]' 18:53 I can't see any situations where it's called with FALSE without special cases to burn out the candles too, though 18:53 not many places it could be 18:53 whoops, accidental paste 18:53 other than some with an artifact_light condition (i.e. Sunsword) 18:55 what about restoring a save and immediately unlighting the candelabrum? 18:57 ah, artifact_light is only sunsword I suppose 19:02 I just pushed a commit to 3.7 that will fix candelabra with no fuel left 19:02 in a few hours it will become public 19:02 then if that /is/ the problem with your game, you can persuade K2 to pull the patch and continue your game that way :-) 19:03 (unless 3.7 has broken save compat in the meantime, which is entirely possible) 19:03 just finished reading backscroll 19:03 K2: could you attach a debugger to amateurhour's game and check the age field of the Candelabrum? 19:03 ais523 you could provide a diff of your patch if its combined with a save breaking push by the devteam 19:03 yeah 19:04 whoops he's eu server 19:04 ok this'll take a sec 19:05 K2: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/candelabrum-fix.diff 19:05 thanks 19:05 amateurhour you're out of the game correct? 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 13964 points, T:12842, killed by a chameleon imitating a hell hound 19:05 yeah I saved 19:05 k 19:06 <{Demo}1> yey for saving games 19:06 I'll be heading to sleep soon, don't feel pressured to rush into anything 19:06 as a bonus, this fix will get pulled from 3.7 into all the variants that depend on it (if there are any) 19:06 so if any of those variants add ways to set the candelabrum's age to 0 by mistake, there'll be an escape valve from that too 19:07 <{Demo}1> probably best for all variants? 19:08 <{Demo}1> even 3.4.3 based? 19:08 yes but I can't commit into 3.4.3 and have variants pull that :-P 19:08 better would be to add the commit to any "maintained branches of 3.4.3" that variants are using as an upstream 19:08 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 19:08 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 19:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 19:09 <{Demo}1> it's not like 3.6 changes how light sources work, is it? 19:09 ais523: xnethack depends on 3.7 now :D 19:09 I don't think so 19:10 thanks for taking the time to look into this by the way 19:10 well, I still don't know what happened 19:11 just wrote a fix-the-symptoms 19:11 finding the actual bug would be nice too 19:11 (although now we have an impossible() for it we should get bug reports if it happens to anyone else) 19:11 ok what command am i running 19:11 in gdb 19:11 K2: in the game, first wield the candelabrum to make it easier to find the correct item 19:12 then > print uwep->age 19:12 <{Demo}1> I like to quiver it cause that is usually less interfering 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:813 19:12 ah right, then it would be uquiver.age 19:12 also, it's . not -> 19:13 or, hmm 19:13 no, should be -> 19:13 maybe gdb's good enough to figure out which one to use automatically 19:13 yes, I get the same results either way 19:13 K2: you can use "c" in gdb to allow you to play the game normally, then wield/quiver the candelabrum 19:14 i got it 19:14 age is 0 19:14 once you've done that, use ctrl-C in gdb to go back into command mode 19:14 OK, that's what we suspected 19:14 i got other things going on here at same time, why so slow 19:14 K2: you can use gdb to fix the save too 19:14 add "= 1" at the end of the "print" command 19:14 Couldn't gdb also be used to jiggle the game while amateurhour's playing it? 19:14 so it becomes "print uwep->age = 1" or "print uquiver->age = 1" 19:14 Pinkbeast: yes 19:14 K2: if you save after that, the bug will be fixed in the save file 19:17 hmm, I wonder if "print uwep.age" works because of Rust? in Rust the "." operator automatically dereferences an appropriate number of times, and it's not like gdb is only used with C programs 19:18 amateurhour go ahead and load your game 19:18 so maybe its . operator was adapted to do the same 19:18 you'll be wielding the candelabrum 19:18 we'll see if you're all fixed now 19:18 you'll need to find some new candles though 19:19 the ones that were there before were totally burnt out 19:19 "Shall I pick character..." 19:19 :) 19:19 ah wtf 19:19 the versions are identical 19:19 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2872 19:19 did you put the save back on the US one instead? 19:19 no 19:20 i backed up the original save so no worries 19:21 also, I can confirm that that save was 100% unwinnable before K2 fixed it (barring some unknown memory corruption bug that could be used to undo the existing one) 19:21 the question is, how did it get that way? 19:21 so the diff you linked wont fix an existing game will it 19:21 it will I think, it calls impossible and sets the value to 1 19:22 K2: it will 19:22 hmm 19:22 it does the same fix you just did 19:22 well lets restore the original save and apply the diff 19:22 I always prefer it if my diffs fix existing games too 19:22 ok give me a min 19:22 heading back to the mines to get candles with the wizard on my ass is going to be horrendous 19:22 <{Demo}1> did u put the save back with modded perms/owner? 19:22 but that's tomorrow's problem 19:23 <{Demo}1> vlads tower has some 19:23 <{Demo}1> if you didn't take them all 19:23 yeah the other stack only had 4 in 19:23 which ttyrec viewer do you guys use? 19:24 ipbt 19:24 just grabbed it, want to see what i did at vlads that could trigger it 19:25 I don't suppose K2 could also wish you up a nice stack of 7 wax candles 19:25 ipbt's good for replaying your own ttyrecs, although it takes a while to load 19:25 I personally use jettyplay, although I'm biased because I wrote it 19:25 aren't there spare candles /in/ Vlad's? or did you use those already? 19:25 <{Demo}1> i was thinking about jettyplay today 19:26 <{Demo}1> cause i was reading some docs for something using jetty and it made me think of jettyplay 19:26 there's two chests of candles IIRC, guaranteed to combined have at least 7 19:26 I think they're probably stacks of 4-8 19:26 not source dived, just from observation 19:27 ok amateurhour try now 19:27 just source dived, indeed two stacks of 4-8 19:28 * amateurhour furious hacking noises 19:28 I'm in 19:28 :) 19:28 go forth and do good things 19:28 I'll try light it now 19:28 or should I be cheeky and try do the invocation... 19:29 don't, it won't work 19:29 and you'll just waste another charge on the bell 19:29 ais523 thank you very much for the quick patch 19:29 is there not 1 turn available? 19:29 Book takes two turns to read 19:29 ah. 19:29 check the turn counter next time you do the invocation, if you don't believe me 19:30 I believe you 19:30 although, it's actually two actions, so it would be theoretically possible if you rang the Bell before lighting the Candelabrum and were in a polyform that gets 3 actions per turn 19:30 impossible was called, and then it burnt out 19:30 as you expected 19:30 and you were careful with how your actions lined up against the turn counter 19:31 burnt out same turn I think 19:31 yes 19:31 I applied that patch to all three hdf servers 19:31 a hurrah for quick fixes 19:31 good work 19:31 at least this one was easy to fix, it's nowhere near as bad as NitroHack's timer bug 19:32 which is one of the largest outstanding bugs in NH4 because I have no idea how to fix it despite knowing what causes it 19:32 :/ 19:32 <{Demo}1> timer rewrite 19:32 put FIQ to work on it 19:32 I'll look over my ttyrec tomorrow after work and see what dumb things I did 19:32 FIQ knows what causes it too :-D 19:32 :) 19:33 but just in case you feel like _burning_ time pouring over the ttyrec too 19:33 I think I only interacted with the candelabrum while in Vlad's tower 19:34 it might have been cursed by a lich and uncursed by blessed remove curse scroll 19:34 not that that'd do anything I'd imagine 19:35 heading to sleep now, thanks again for looking into it :) 19:35 gnite amateurhour 19:35 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 19:35 that was enough puns out of him anyway 19:36 aosdict: do you have a "one is enough" policy for puns? or was there another pun I missed? 19:36 he made a few 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:41232 19:37 "I'm de-lighted to help finding bugs" 19:38 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:4074 19:38 I missed that one first time, and it wasn't in scrollback 19:39 err, in the last screen of scrollback 19:39 if I actually scroll back I can see it 19:39 I don't actually hate puns 19:40 -!- rspots has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40 well you do play NH 19:45 It's the standard pun reaction to groan and demand people get out immediately 19:51 <@Suzune Takada> wow 19:51 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 19:51 <@Suzune Takada> ludios in spl, centaurs with wand are dangerous 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3190 19:54 I mean no more dangerous than any other Ludious with wands 19:54 I think the centaur's speed might be the difference maker 19:56 <@Suzune Takada> angelic valkyrie seems not bad 19:57 <@Suzune Takada> they aren't strong but flying makes their quest level easier 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:27120 19:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3952 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master liches), on T:43945 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 5452 points, T:12424, killed by a wolf 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 153 points, T:660, killed by a boulder 20:20 is it possible to choke on a wraith corpse in NH4? 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:541 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:603 20:21 No idea 20:21 <@Mugiwara> prolly 20:21 <@Mugiwara> if you mean vanilla-esque of fullness+wraith id suppose so 20:25 Looks like i shouldn't unless I'm already oversatiated, meaning I would have to still be over 1999 nutrition 20:25 which seems unlikely 20:25 let's risk it! 20:25 \o/ 20:25 level 11! 20:26 and almost immediately ended by a Xorn on the next level. *eep* 20:26 \o/ 20:26 I think this lamp is magic too 20:26 and this cloak will be MR with any luck. 20:27 zero altar in the whole main branch so far though 20:27 which is annoying as all get out. 20:27 19 levels in the main branch and not a single altar. 20:29 also a silver dagger was found, so this rogue is shaping up nicely. 20:29 already have most of the rest of an asc kit 20:30 nice 20:30 <{Demo}1> carl and his family are demigods now 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:15265 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:28213 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2852 points, T:7761, quit 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 383 points, T:3704, killed by a dwarf 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:15381 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:864 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:510 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:645 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2385 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) consumed animal products (candy bar) for the first time, on T:4312 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4964 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 507 points, T:1373, killed by a homunculus 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a jackal corpse, on T:5530 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5571 20:55 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:991 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:10325 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:10443 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10637 21:25 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 21:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v callforjudgement] by ChanServ 21:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:27 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3818 21:37 -!- hothraxx1 has joined #hardfought 21:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 21:37 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (livingstone.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 21:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 21:38 <@Suzune Takada> oops 21:39 <@Suzune Takada> I made +5 fireproof hawaiian shirt but later I got plastic hawaiian shirr 21:40 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:40 @Suzune Takada: maybe a "plastic" shirt is just a nice nylon/polyester blend ;) 21:41 IIRC, plastic is burnable. 21:49 You carefully open the ice box... Baliga's ice box is empty. 21:49 looks like the coronahysteria has hit the shops in nethack 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4698 21:53 bouquet: no tins either? 21:53 how about some nice K-rations 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4845 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 2441 points, T:4883, killed by a giant ant 21:55 Empty ice boxes happen sometimes. 21:55 Not very often granted 21:59 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon them by Tyr, on T:38888 21:59 <@Suzune Takada> too late 21:59 <@Suzune Takada> because I'm using and enchanted gungnir 22:00 <{Demo}1> why gugnir? 22:00 <@riker> it's like the same thing, but a dwarvish spear instead 22:00 <{Demo}1> does it require gop to throw? 22:01 <@Suzune Takada> no 22:01 <@riker> don't think it comes back 22:01 <@riker> doe sit? 22:01 <{Demo}1> it does 22:01 <@Suzune Takada> does 22:01 <{Demo}1> i know it used to always return to uwep 22:01 <@riker> oh dang 22:01 <{Demo}1> pretty sure it has lower dice than mjol 22:01 <{Demo}1> otherwise it would be better 22:02 <@riker> hm, gungnir doesn't even require you to be a valk to come back 22:02 <{Demo}1> ELEC(5,24) mjol vs ELEC(7,20) 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1142 22:03 <@riker> yeah, but mjol is still a war hammer 22:03 <{Demo}1> war hammer dice suck 22:03 <@riker> so that's 1d8 + d20 vs 1d4 + d24 22:03 <{Demo}1> therefore gugnir is better 22:03 <@riker> it's pretty even yeah 22:04 <{Demo}1> max spear is skilled? 22:04 <{Demo}1> I think it is actually objectively better in every way 22:04 <@riker> does skill affect thrown dmg? 22:05 <{Demo}1> shit idk 22:05 <@riker> if it is it's +1 damage lmao 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1594 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18904 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6981 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law), 622 points, T:2083, killed by a wand 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:7031 22:10 gungnir is awesome. There's a pair of artifact spears you can dual wield to destroy everything in your path. I ascended my samurai in splice with them. 22:10 <{Demo}1> can valks into excal in spl? 22:11 gungnir does *d20* shock damage? 22:11 I thought it did d8 22:11 anyway, electric gungnir is silly 22:11 <@riker> source says d20 22:11 <{Demo}1> ok wtf, can we talk about the bones + annotation 22:12 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) killed Drauglir, on T:39182 22:12 <@riker> ? 22:12 <{Demo}1> when i enter a level, i can check overview 22:12 <{Demo}1> and see what killed the guy 22:12 <@riker> ah 22:12 vanilla? 22:12 or dnh 22:12 <@Suzune Takada> draglir? 22:12 <@Suzune Takada> is that added level in spl¿ 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:26011 22:13 <@riker> yeah that's a new dude in spl 22:13 <{Demo}1> 3.7676 22:14 <@Suzune Takada> lots of lycantropes 22:15 yeah that's silly 22:15 {Demo}1 are you going to report it 22:16 <{Demo}1> wait nooooo don't get it fixed 22:16 <{Demo}1> and no i have a backlog of stuff i need to report for vanilla 22:16 <@riker> lol 22:16 <{Demo}1> but i can't remember any of it, or be fucked 22:17 <{Demo}1> shit, there was something recent, I'm trying to remember it 22:17 Annotation always did that with bones 22:17 <{Demo}1> oh yeah the forcebolt spellbook thing, hope someone reported that cause i didnt 22:17 <{Demo}1> also shk being thrown gold behavior is likely fucky, need to wiztest that first 22:18 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Val Ang Fem Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2193 22:18 <{Demo}1> thats tyr 22:18 <@Suzune Takada> oops 22:18 I think the force bolt spellbook thing (blowing up iron bars) is not a vanilla bug 22:18 <@Suzune Takada> werecocatrice?? 22:19 <{Demo}1> then why is it in evilhack and dnh? 22:19 <@Suzune Takada> oops 22:20 <@Suzune Takada> new gray stone 22:20 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Val Ang Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2444 22:20 <{Demo}1> i don't want ur mjolnir FOOL 22:21 <@riker> wasn't it checked and found to be vanilla, and already reported/fixed 22:22 <@riker> that was a while back 22:23 {Demo}1: because those variants implement force bolts blowing up iron bars 22:24 also xnh and possibly splice 22:24 <{Demo}1> oh, damn, i forgot that wasn't a vanilla behavior 22:24 <{Demo}1> soooooo many variants have it 22:26 that was fixed in evilhack and splice too i think 22:27 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon them by Tyr, on T:39496 22:27 the force bolt/wand of striking thing with iron bars 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:7992 22:32 fun fact - to date, 174,027 total played games on all 3 hdf servers (not counting tnnt or the dev/null tribute) 22:32 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Val Ang Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4163 22:32 <{Demo}1> can i offhand this? 22:32 try it and see 22:33 <{Demo}1> where did my altar go 22:33 <{Demo}1> wtf 22:33 <@riker> lmao 22:33 <@riker> slex style altars? 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:24320 22:33 <{Demo}1> https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/commit/cc2e47c3703e2c7505cb91e5cdbdbabf7a82442c 22:39 oh my 22:39 thats... evil 22:40 * K2 bookmarks evil 22:40 <{Demo}1> nooo 22:40 wait, how does that totally not break temples? 22:40 <{Demo}1> not that kind of evil 22:40 <{Demo}1> it likely does 22:40 <{Demo}1> I'm not chatting to the priest 22:40 <{Demo}1> cause they probably gonna go off on me 22:41 !tell AntiGulp I just discovered your altar-breaking code, seems like it would mess up temples in a big way? 22:41 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 22:41 <{Demo}1> thanks for putting that in a way that isn't me saying mean shit 22:41 <{Demo}1> cause this shit snuck up on me 22:41 <{Demo}1> I still haven't bucd any armor to wear yet 22:42 <{Demo}1> guess I'll tame a penguin or something 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:25731 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed JimH's ghost, the former Adept, on T:9123 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:32123 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:24313 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class V, on T:32127 22:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class V, on T:32130 22:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9544 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 217249 points, T:24416, killed by a water elemental, while fainted from lack of food 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered Peter, her faithful ghost, on T:32151 22:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:10352 22:58 <@Tone> Can you destroy the high altars with that? 22:59 I'd hope not, boy oh boy 23:00 <@riker> looks like it, unless that was later changed 23:00 <@Tone> > You offer the Amulet of Yendor to Tyr... 23:00 <@Tone> > The altar cracks in two! 23:01 <@riker> well, it only applies when you get an artifact gift I think 23:01 <@riker> but it doesn't seem to check high altarship soo 23:01 <@riker> !tell AntiGulp at a cursory reading - looks like the 50% chance for an altar to crack after gift 3+ still applies to high altars? 23:01 AntiGulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @riker. 23:20 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Val Ang Nbn Law), 367933 points, T:41520, choked on a brood wasp corpse 23:20 <@Suzune Takada> oops 23:20 D: 23:20 Gotta watch your hunger 23:20 Lot of good runs lost to gluttony 23:21 <{Demo}1> I do that so much 23:21 <{Demo}1> almost lost my vanilla run to that 23:21 <{Demo}1> it's why I try to get an aols asap 23:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a blue jelly, on T:12152 23:21 <{Demo}1> and removed that way of death from ndnh 23:22 <{Demo}1> cause at the end of the day it shouldn't be death 23:22 <@Suzune Takada> !lastgame SuzuneTakada 23:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12248 23:23 <@Suzune Takada> doesn't work on discord 23:23 I mean choking is a very real way to die so 23:23 * Umbire shrugs 23:24 <{Demo}1> !lastgame SuzuneTakada 23:24 {Demo}1: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SuzuneTakada/splicehack/dumplog/1584506846.splice.html 23:24 It's manageable as long as you're willing to let some of the more tempting corpses go or get a tinning kit 23:25 <@Suzune Takada> thx 23:26 <@Suzune Takada> ah, one-eyed sam available in sph? 23:26 <{Demo}1> if I went to McDonald's and started eating nuggets until I physically couldn't, it wouldn't kill me 23:26 <{Demo}1> and I wouldn't choke 23:26 <@Suzune Takada> if so, is wand of teleportation zappable to him like slem? 23:26 <{Demo}1> I'd just throw up a lot and pass out 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:613 23:41 You might as well die if you're doing that late enough in the game :B 23:44 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Fem Neu) stole 775 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akranes' general store, on T:27889 23:52 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1920 23:57 !who 23:57 K2: [hdf-us] Vigorix [nh370] recuerdo [nh370] MHL [nh370] jonathanhanes [nh370] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 23:58 Suzune: no. Sam will resist. You can steal and escape using EotA, though. 23:59 plus, splice has a bug that lets pets into the black market so you can steal like mad if you want