00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1935 00:03 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:06 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1041 points, T:2479, killed by Vigorix's ghost 00:13 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:14 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc23a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 780 points, T:3441, killed by a wolf 00:16 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 234 points, T:1462, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 00:18 @riker I play cold resistant Valk a lot and hit jellies frequently, just chance, I guess 00:19 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc24a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 240 points, T:503, killed by a bat 00:19 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:863 00:23 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 Jellies multiply from heat if they do enough passive damage 00:23 It's older than 3.6 00:23 I used to hate those shits before I got better 00:24 It's the same for red/brown molds 00:24 Oh whew, killing the dog hurt that much huh 00:33 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 00:36 [hdf-us] [dyn] me1 (dragonspeaker) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4288 points, T:2225, killed by a gnome lord, while reading a book 00:50 Seems to be a running theme here. 00:52 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Fem Cha), 392 points, T:848, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vigorix's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:3896 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4258 01:07 I think I'm finally done with Archons. 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed RyanHill's ghost, the former Reconnoiterer, on T:4897 01:12 What'd they do to ya now, bouquet? 01:21 I extinctified them 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Umbire the Umpire", on T:311151 01:24 Oh wow, rood 01:24 Oh WAIT, this is that run. 01:24 ...good. 01:24 Carry on. 01:25 You better ascend with that marker too >:c 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Succubi do it best", on T:311152 01:33 lul 01:37 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Fem Cha), 5396 points, T:2386, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 01:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9427 02:24 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12187 03:32 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 03:35 <@Suzune Takada> "in slex, humans aren't weakest race because there are lots of weak races added" 04:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) made their first wish - "3 blessed scroll of charging", on T:2833 04:18 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) wished for "+2 blessed gray dragon scale mail", on T:2837 04:19 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:2843 04:20 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) made their first artifact wish - "+2 blessed fireproof baseball bat named Bat from Hell", on T:2847 04:20 <@Suzune Takada> yessssss 04:21 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:38 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:51 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 05:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:11 is everyone doing fine regarding covid? 05:13 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:17 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) wished for "+2 blessed gray dragon scale mail", on T:9437 05:20 I'm completely alone at the office. 05:20 now, you start thinking about the truly important things in life 05:20 with or without pants? 05:20 !rng pants | no pants 05:20 NAOrsa: pants 05:21 lol 05:21 xD 05:37 <@Suzune Takada> orctown is not always bad 06:20 I now remember what made me stop messing with html/css/js in first place 06:21 the somewhat unintuitive way browser rendering works at times 06:21 at least IE6 is no longer a major player in the browser space 06:23 that's a big plus 06:28 sometimes unintuitive? 06:28 you mean the DOM, or CSS, or..? 06:33 stenno: for example, I can't figure why this css isn't working when a bunch of google searches seem to imply it should 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:580 06:34 actually yeah, it's mostly css I've had issues with, last time as well 06:45 oh ok 06:47 basically I have a bunch of floats and then want to clear it all so following elements will appear below it. A bit of googling implied that using an ":after" suffix with clear:both would work. It doesn't. However, creating an empty div with basically the same thing works fine 06:47 No idea why 06:47 Oh well 06:50 no need for clearing floats if you use flexbox instead 06:56 hmm yeah flex does what I want 06:56 means reduced support though, idk if that is going to be a problem here 06:56 "basically I have a bunch of floats" 06:57 that's your problem. just say no to floats 06:57 nobody understands them. nobody. 06:57 bhaak: not that kind of floats :P 06:57 assuming you meant non-ints 06:57 I don't 06:57 ahh ok 06:57 well basically I wanted to align things in columns so I used floats to do it 06:58 but it seemed to have odd effects on things, and I wasn't able to "un-float" things properly 06:58 IEEE 754 floats are easy. sometimes also unintuive at first but every feature of them has a reason 06:58 omg, I just laughed out loud. luckily I'm alone at the office 06:58 I looked at IEEE 754 floats once 06:58 they seemed remarkably simple overall 06:58 using floats for columns will drive you mad. 06:59 well what else was I supposed to do 06:59 use flexbox or css grid layouts 06:59 last time I messed with css was in like 2009 lol, html5 wasn't even a thing back then iirc 06:59 yeah flexbox worked 06:59 I wasn't even aware that it existed 06:59 it didn't back then :P 07:00 -!- amateurhour has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 07:18 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 07:21 [backscroll] bhaak, go no pants every chance you get 07:42 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:12 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 08:19 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 08:36 <@Suzune Takada> draugr... from skyrim? 08:38 I think it's technically from some norse myth 08:43 -!- hdf-guest-80 has joined #hardfought 08:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon them by Tymora, on T:11631 08:54 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:12511 08:56 <{Demo}1> bin elf 08:57 <{Demo}1> ah yes an elf format binary 08:57 <{Demo}1> non malicious 08:59 haha yes exactly 09:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:39500 09:01 and another 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:227 09:06 <@Tone> Nice early wish :) 09:07 :) 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail", on T:230 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 helm of brilliance", on T:238 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1031 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:240 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1197 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:278 09:16 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14951 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:411 09:18 <@Suzune Takada> not boh again 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:474 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Sam Hum Fem Law), 913 points, T:1659, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:513 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:40233 09:23 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) had Origin bestowed upon them by Tymora, on T:15747 09:24 <@Suzune Takada> new artifact in spl? 09:27 <@Suzune Takada> wow teleport control 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:708 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:523 09:39 <@Suzune Takada> ? 09:39 <@Suzune Takada> another downstair in mines? 09:41 gosh I love to new livelog flavor text for Excalibur 09:41 to -> the 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 389 points, T:918, killed by a hill orc 09:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed Yeenoghu, on T:40905 09:46 -!- porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1566 09:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed Daemon, on T:41196 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1824 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1686 09:57 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Alt Rod Fem Cha), 23775 points, T:1627, quit 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Vigorix (Val Dwa Fem Law), 895 points, T:2138, killed by a giant bat 10:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:654 10:26 <{Demo}1> hmm, do you have mother bound? 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1374 points, T:2121, killed by a wand 10:33 {Demo}1: yes 10:34 why? 10:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45845 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 529 points, T:1374, killed by a giant bat 10:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) performed the invocation, on T:45921 10:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:46064 10:41 <{Demo}1> the livelogs show it 10:42 <{Demo}1> the extra the before uniques 10:42 <{Demo}1> iirc it is fixed in devel 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7783 10:43 Oh right 'the Sir Garland' 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:7960 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:498 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for his first artifact, on T:8017 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "the blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:8017 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:882 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:970 11:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) entered the Planes, on T:47514 11:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:47747 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2122 11:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) destroyed Death, on T:47811 11:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) destroyed Famine, on T:47897 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10633 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3003 11:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non), 6088652 points, T:47941, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1584193807.dnh.txt 11:22 <{Demo}1> congrats! 11:23 <@malor> thanks. 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3071 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Huan Ti, on T:3082 11:32 woo malor 11:32 \o/ 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:524 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1096 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:14369 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2244 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2467 12:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:20 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2934 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4236 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2984 12:35 <@riker> grats @malor 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1313 points, T:1973, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 12:38 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:23588 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23590 12:52 I'd have thought that everyone staying at home would have made for more chatter than there's been today 12:52 aosdict: They're catching up on sleep. 12:53 Or camping out at the store waiting for more shipments of toilet paper. 12:53 I'm trying to keep work-time focused on work 12:53 and not-work-time focused on nethack 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6907 12:56 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 12:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v callforjudgement] by ChanServ 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:6975 12:57 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 12:59 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:5438 13:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:9020 13:14 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20 flipped sokoban is hurting my brain.... not to mention my luck 13:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:23 we need Beholder to have a 'flipped sokoban' counter 13:23 there must be dozens of us 13:23 dozens! 13:24 we must self isolate 13:24 <{Demo}1> flipped cortex 13:24 painful 13:25 <{Demo}1> I'm a 3.7.0 speedrunner 13:25 I'm a . 13:25 3.70 slow runner 13:25 from a case sample of 1, 100% of people are annoyed by flipped sokoban 13:25 I'm not annoyed, just in pain, cognitive dissonance 13:26 <@ShivanHunter> randomly generated sokoban ftw :V 13:26 I would support that 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:949 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1079 13:31 still alive 13:41 i am pro levelflipping btw 13:45 Evil Patch Idea: in addition to being flipped horizontally and/or vertically, Sokoban levels can also have the puzzle rotated by 90, 180, or 270 degrees. 13:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2498 13:47 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 13:47 i want 3d sokoban 13:48 there's a 3d beams of light puzzle in runescape that everyone ~~hates~~ loves 13:48 K2: isn't diagonaloban bad enough? 13:49 I've been threatening to implement it because it would mean way fewer special cases in Sokoban, but it makes everyone's head hurt 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2903 13:49 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of n\, the former Barbarian, on T:7754 13:49 <@riker> why does sokoban even need to be euclidean? 13:49 4D sokoban 13:49 time is the fourth direction 13:50 <@riker> sokoban morphs as you spend more time there? 13:50 if you want to have a clear "opposite square" to push your sokoboulders onto, a hyperbolic or elliptic geometry would need enormous curvature 13:50 Technically, counting time, Sokoban is already three-dimensional. 13:50 which would be hard to render 13:50 would sokoban need to be the size of the universe? 13:51 hah 13:51 But, you know, we could always program a version that's on the surface of a seven-dimensional cube-equivalent. 13:51 I made a 1D Sokoban a while back (with within-level portals that didn't function while a boulder was on the destination) 13:51 although it wasn't intended for NetHack 13:52 -!- slengtorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52 <@riker> hypernethack would be sick actually 13:52 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:52 <@riker> I'd definitely play that 13:53 grinding could be a problem 13:53 although the asc run seems potentially even worse, given how large the levels would be 13:53 you'd need a lot of engravings to find your way from stair to stair 13:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12472 13:53 <@riker> yeah it would require a lot of cleanup 13:53 (especially because directions don't exist in hyperbolic space, making it hard to memorise the routes) 13:54 hyperangband would probably work better 13:54 <@riker> it also sounds a bit more like heaven or hell mode from un 13:54 then you basically just have HyperRogue, where basically everything has 1HP as it is 13:54 <@riker> yeah, tha'ts what I meant 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3381 13:55 <@riker> un HoH but with non-euclidean geometry of some kind 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14717 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3393 13:55 (HyperRogue combat is primarily about running away until you can take on monsters 1 at a time, making use of the fact that the monsters are the same speed as you and will walk up to you rather than waiting 2 squares away) 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3432 13:55 <@riker> it always reminded me a bit of hoplite (mobile roguelike) 13:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:55 hyperrogue is still euclidic isn't it? 13:56 <{Demo}1> flipped minetown 13:56 i mean it just looks curved 13:56 <@riker> not that I know of stenno 13:56 stenno: you can play it in Euclidean mode but the level design doesn't work like that 13:56 <@riker> last I checked it was hyperbolic 13:56 it's non-Euclidean in the sense that directions don't exist, e.g. the angles of a triangle add up to less than 180° 13:56 so you can in particular follow a closed loop and end up having done less than a 360° rotation 13:57 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:8578 13:57 err, more I think 13:57 <@riker> more yeah 13:57 ok 13:57 and parallel lines don't exist, you can't have two lines that are a constant distance from each other 13:57 <@riker> i've played a bit, been meaning to go back to it / pick up hydra slayer (same dev) 13:58 it is curved, but it's curved in the sense of space itself being curved 13:58 !who 13:58 K2: [hdf-us] Qwesti [nh370] wickedfierce [nh370] Demo [nh370] post163 [nh370] Luxidream [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] Som [dnh] Grouchy [xnh] Delraven [xnh] dgoddard [4k] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh370] microlance [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:58 so lines only obey 4 out of 5 of Euclid's axioms 13:58 @Luxidream where you been 13:59 <@luxidream> hey K2 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 2067 points, T:4127, killed by a giant ant 14:00 <@luxidream> I took a bit of a break from nethack to play music games again 14:01 <@luxidream> there was going to be a tournament that I was going to attend so I was really excited for that 14:01 <@luxidream> unfortunately covid killed everything and now I can't leave the house so it's back to nethack 14:01 <{Demo}1> osu! ? 14:02 <@luxidream> nah I don't play osu 14:02 <@riker> necrodancer? :p 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6282 14:03 <@luxidream> I play pump it up, beatmania IIDX 14:03 <@luxidream> necrodancer is how I found nethack in the first place 14:03 i'm trying to imagine you dancing 14:03 heh 14:03 <@luxidream> You don't need to imagine...let me link the the vod 14:04 oh, I'm trying to imagine Luxidream playing NetHack under Necrodancer mechanics 14:04 I think you would at the very least need perm_invent to make it workable 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed wickedfierce's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6337 14:04 <@luxidream> what would the penalty even be 14:04 <@luxidream> for missing a beat 14:04 <@riker> death 14:04 and possibly allow time to freeze on the first keystroke of an action + item combination 14:04 I'm assuming a forced wait 14:05 demogorgon shows up 14:05 dance to that 14:05 the penalty in Necrodancer isn't very large anyway, unless you're playing an obsidian build (or one of the newer hyper-obsidian items) 14:05 too many missed beats and you're forced to do flipped sokoban 14:05 perhaps -1 current HP would also be reasonable 14:06 hmm, what does it say about me that I'm one of the slowest, overprepariest Necrodancer players ever, in a huge contrast to my NetHack style? 14:08 :) 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:6411 14:11 <@Tone> I played a 7DRL the other day that was like that. Each turn was on a timer and it was a forced wait if you didn't input a command, whereas every npc would get their action still 14:12 <@Tone> In the end it just made combat less interesting and moving long distances more tedious though 14:13 <@luxidream> K2: https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeScrumptiousPuffinANELE 14:13 blocked! 14:13 i could override but i dont want to break my work system 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7566 14:13 i'll watch from home :) 14:14 <@Tone> cue jokes about luxidream playing nethack with his feet 14:14 <{Demo}1> that's be a cool roguelike 14:14 <{Demo}1> footrogue 14:15 <@luxidream> more like 14:15 <@luxidream> footpad 14:15 <@Tone> Let's call it Brogue 14:16 <@riker> holy hell luxi moves his feet fast 14:16 <@riker> I like the guy who came up to watch and just stood their shellshocked 14:17 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) were saved from death by your amulet of life saving!, on T:10175 14:17 [hdf-us] [4k] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17802 points, T:10186, killed by a wraith 14:18 not sure if a soldier picked up the wand chest or if it spawned off the elbereth square 14:18 <@riker> hm, that's an odd 4k livelog 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:507 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:625 14:19 that's nitrohack code I think 14:20 the message is worded to be displayed after "you" and doesn't have any inflections defined 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8391 14:20 and it looks like it's just been connected to the livelog directly 14:22 any tips for genoless runs? considering doing it this run 14:22 currently at the castle with genoless and wishless intact, never done either before 14:23 I'm a monk, reflection via shield and MR via the eyes 14:23 grease your helmet, spend more time near the upstairs stairs than you normally would in order to sniff out covetous monsters before their AI becomes a problem, carry a wand of cold due to krakens 14:24 it's not much different from a regular game, though, really 14:24 (greasing your helmet isn't essential if you're very aware of your surroundings but it helps against typo or playing-too-fast deaths to flayers) 14:26 I'm worried about liches and the water plane mobs 14:27 ideally would find a cloak of magic resistance 14:27 !who 14:27 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh370] wickedfierce [nh370] Qwesti [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] Som [dnh] arnibald [xnh] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh370] amateurhour [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:29 if you're really worried about Water you can just stay in the middle of your bubble until the portal drifts into range 14:29 which is incredibly tedious, but also very safe 14:29 does scare monster work in the water plane? 14:29 or just swap out life saving for magical breathing 14:29 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 14:29 you're not THAT likely to die by HP loss 14:29 on water 14:30 I've got oilskin cloak and amulet of magical breathing in my boh 14:30 oh right, oilskin cloak also an option 14:30 I don't have any better cloaks right now, besides the starting robe 14:31 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 14:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (rajaniemi.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 14:31 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 14:31 if you're really worried about Water you can just stay in the middle of your bubble until the portal drifts into range ← for everyone confused about why I suggested nonmoving bubbles on Water, this is one of the main gameplay considerations for that 14:31 come to think of it, it'd work better if the player had a breath counter rather than drowning being an instadeath 14:31 because then a "oMB wouldn't be required 14:31 <@luxidream> hm, does crowning not livelog anymore? 14:32 ANELE 14:33 not got good MC either, so the valley, vlad, and orcus town are probably going to horrendous 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:9640 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10954 14:37 <{Demo}1> give grays 14:40 hey 14:40 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 14:41 So I've reached the point in my extinctionist game that nothing spawns in VotD now. Anyone with experience in this have tips for the demon portion of extinctionism in Gehennom? 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:13433 14:44 <{Demo}1> no. all I know how to do is altar scum and complain 14:50 those are important qualities to be a successful nethacker 14:51 so just like me apart from that i am too lazy impatient to altarscum 14:51 lazy/impatient 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:25183 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:25320 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25321 14:56 <@Tone> ais523: Would you change how the water turbulence works if players were forced to leave the bubbles? 14:57 <@Tone> I've experimented with it for speed runs and it seems miserable 14:57 @Tone: I think it would make sense to tone it down, either unconditionally or with the help of some readily obtainable piece of equipment 14:57 <@Tone> Even if polymorphed into a swimmer like a water troll 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:26044 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:1941 14:58 turbulence is one of those mechanics that you can't balance without other changes to the game, because the situation where it comes up is almost 100% avoided for unrelated reasons 14:58 so there's no benchmark for what being balanced would be 14:58 it's like the sink-into-lava timer, who knows what a fair length for that thing should be, people normally don't swim in lava anyway 15:00 Indeed. Should tame Medusa be able to stone your quest nemesis? 15:00 <{Demo}1> quest nems are stone proof 15:00 Ah. So no then. 15:01 My point was, nobody ever takes tame Medusa into the quest, so balance issues are up in the air if you do. 15:01 <{Demo}1> microlance hooked me up with a comr and speed boots 15:01 <@Tone> I think it's avoided because the turbulence and wetting your inventory are both very bad effects, and waiting in bubbles is comparatively not so bad 15:01 <@Tone> if not tedious and random 15:02 ais523: doesn't the fact that it's a really marginal mechanic make it really *easy* to balance without other changes to the game, since tweaking how much it triggers affects virtually nothing? 15:02 most people avoid it because of the wetting of inventory 15:02 aosdict: it makes it easy to change, but hard to know what change is desirable 15:02 because you have no reference point 15:02 now if we could have oilskin bag of holding... 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1744 points, T:2305, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 15:04 you can put your BoH into an oilskin sack 15:04 oh, I retract what I said then 15:05 some people won't have an oilskin sack, so static bubbles would defeat them 15:06 It'll cost you 270 zorkmids. Interested? [yn] (n) n "It's your call, ugly." 15:06 rude 15:06 ch:7 is not _that_ ugly 15:06 my static-bubble suggestion also implied guaranteed access to an oilskin sack and at least one underwater breathing potion 15:07 ch:7 is pretty ugly 15:07 considering most roles have you guaranteed to have at least that 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:23734 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:28300 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:24683 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:927 15:23 Hardfought scoreboards are back 15:23 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard/ 15:23 <@riker> any particular reason why? 15:23 trying to figure out how to merge all three servers into one 15:24 @riker yeah. i missed them 15:24 <@riker> fair enough 15:24 <@riker> I liked them too 15:24 you got a problem with that? huh? :P 15:24 <@riker> plus they were way easier to search than xd.cm 15:24 yeah! 1st place on xnh! 15:24 * bouquet pumps fist 15:24 thats just US server though 15:25 <@riker> wow vaderflag is dominating the leaderboard for evil 15:26 thanks, K2! I've been wondering if that xnh game had a high schore and xd.cm isn't readily searchable 15:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:29532 15:26 i could concatenate each servers xlogfiles into one 15:26 but the links wouldnt always be correct for dumplogs 15:26 bouquet welcome :) 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29595 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:29599 15:31 K2: What, the various servers don't mirror each other's dumplogs and such? 15:32 lemme explain 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:30682 15:32 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard/evil-scores/ <--- example 15:32 that pulls data for evilhack for the hdf-us server 15:32 specifically its xlogfile 15:32 -!- slengtorm has joined #hardfought 15:33 i could concatenate all three evilhack xlogfiles (us, eu and au servers) into one 15:33 but currently there's no way to the this scoreboard software which dumplog file to link to 15:33 they'd all want to go to hdf-us 15:33 *to tell 15:34