00:09 <@Pacra> hmm, I wonder why I can't unlock these safes in evilhack with this stethoscope 00:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5575 points, T:6550, killed by a chameleon imitating a leocrotta 00:13 May be confusing your variants 00:13 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 00:13 May be something else 00:13 no that sounds right 00:14 only evil and spork (and maybe un) have stethoscope safe unlocking 00:14 <@Pacra> yes, un has it too 00:14 <@Pacra> ah, I see 00:14 well and those are the only three that have safes at all 00:14 <@Pacra> you have to be directly on the safe square to crack it 00:14 <@Pacra> applying from an adjacent square will allow the prompt to ask if you want to crack the safe with the stethoscope 00:15 <@Pacra> but on confirming the prompt, nothing happens, no message occurs, and a turn is spent 00:15 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16 Hm 00:16 Might need fixing 00:16 <@Pacra> probably issues in lock.c at around lines 370-570 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:27316 00:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 165232 points, T:26832, killed by Croesus 00:50 <@Pacra> rip 00:59 D: 00:59 Gold armor too much? 01:00 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02 <@Pacra> brutal rounds of combat, suicided on him once I realized I had nothing in my toolset to defeat him with that kind of damage and armor 01:03 <@Pacra> he was also hasted somehow, i think from a speed potion, so I couldn't run away 01:04 <@Pacra> in retrospect, if I saw him chug that, then I should have just run away and come back later, but I'm not used to the increased deadliness of stuff in evilhack still 01:04 <@Pacra> especially dragons 01:05 Ah 01:06 Couldn't moat him? 01:13 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:100303 01:14 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon them by Tymora, on T:5147 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:100306 01:14 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5172 01:15 <@Suzune Takada> is luckblade guaranteed to first gift for convict?(in spl) 01:15 I think so 01:16 It is in at least one of the variants 01:17 Yes 01:17 I think in Splice specifically 01:20 <@Suzune Takada> also in unh 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:552 01:32 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) had Sunspot bestowed upon them by Tymora, on T:6680 01:32 <@Suzune Takada> what's sunspot 01:33 <@Suzune Takada> (personally I wanted Bat From Hell) 01:35 Then sacrifice until you get it 01:35 4Head 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 59 points, T:585, killed by a fox 01:42 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 13240 points, T:8259, offed by a jaguar, while fainted from lack of food 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:515 01:52 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Pri Vam Nbn Cha), 391 points, T:1101, slaughtered by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 02:24 [hdf-us] [nh4] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 42407 points, T:4572, killed by a mountain centaur 02:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:25 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 1950 points, T:1839, taken down by a watch captain 03:44 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 100 points, T:208, killed by a falling rock 04:17 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 3070 points, T:1995, murdered by a watch captain 04:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 04:42 paxed: I can't believe you removed amnesia!!! you turned 3.7 into the corpse of nethack :P 04:43 does this mean all features that players find annoying are gradually getting removed now? 04:43 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44 * LarienTelrunya only existing fan of the 3.4.3 amnesia mechanic 05:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14 wait what do you get skillpoints back when you forget them? 05:16 yes! 05:16 madness 05:16 LarienTelrunya: amnesia has always been criticised as useless. it can easily be defeated with a pencil and a notepad 05:16 time to write a lengthy reddit post\ 05:20 actually time to get breakfast and then back to quasi-isolation 05:21 stenno2: or in other words, a typical day of a programmer 05:21 indeed 05:22 LarienTelrunya: an interesting twist on amnesia would be to regenerate the levels you forget. of course, you would need them to be generate in a wasted/used way 05:23 or maybe ... use the new level flipping wizmode features to make them look differently 05:24 (would also make that code be used in normal play, it bothers me a bit that this much code is only for wizmode) 05:26 !tell aoei congratulations Dr Aoei! 05:26 Will do, raisse! 05:32 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 05:52 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:57 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Mer Mal Cha), 253 points, T:1006, slaughtered by a small mimic 05:57 bhaak: level flipping is ********, it only introduces problems such as faulty portalwarps and stuff but has no actual gameplay value :P 05:58 also, since when does the devteam listen when players say "feature X is useless/annoying/whatever"? 05:58 this truly marks the end of an era... 06:01 you seem to think the devteam is a single minded hive intelligence 06:03 <@Suzune Takada> will amnesia scroll in 3.7? 06:04 bhaak: Running on a self-aware VMS system, yes. 06:04 <@Suzune Takada> will amnesia scroll removed in 3.7? 06:09 <@Suzune Takada> ah. not removed. just "overhauled" 06:10 i see you only get skill points for weapon skills back 06:10 <@Suzune Takada> I see 06:11 <@Suzune Takada> no more useless scroll 06:11 <@Suzune Takada> (ex: after archeologist got grayswandir, pickaxe skill is no more needed) 06:11 yeah its not useless 06:12 you can readjust skills 06:12 diablo 2 patch 1.13 anyone? :P 06:12 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Mon Mer Fem Neu), 1660 points, T:1742, offed by a dwarf 06:13 what "you only get skill points for weapon skills back" really 06:13 so if you invested in, say, riding or matter spells or other skills, the points are lost forever??? 06:14 you only drain weapon skills, either 06:14 hmm actually 06:14 also did the mod that calls itself patch 1.13 ever fix the bug where skill rewards given by Akara, Atma and Tyrael are permanently lost as soon as you use the respec token? 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19 points, T:72, killed by a water moccasin 06:15 what does u.weapon_slots hold? 06:15 (personally I still use 1.10 because I refuse to install those newer weird-ass patches :P thank the heavens for being able to play locally!) 06:15 lol i stopped playing after 1.10 or so 06:15 is u.weapon_slots _all_ free skill slots? 06:15 would be silly to have them seperated, come to think of it 06:16 so it will drain spells but will also 06:16 i guess its just one of those legacy attributes 06:16 that are called 'weapon_skills' but actually include combat and spell skills 06:17 weapon_slots* 06:17 yep: 06:17 int weapon_slots; /* unused skill slots */ 06:17 oh, yeah unless 3.6 made some big changes, "u.weapon_slots" actually means skill slots in general 06:17 maybe there was a time when there were no non-weapon skills yet? 06:18 i bet there were 06:18 ok 06:18 also stenno where is your lengthy reddit post? I want to chime in by saying "I'm the only player in the world who would defend 3.4.3 amnesia mechanics" :P 06:18 i am currently conceiving it 06:18 unfortunately the git commit message is already very concise :P 06:19 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- ais523 is now known as callforjudgement 06:22 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 06:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 16 points, T:47, killed by a black pudding 06:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 712 points, T:808, killed by a gnome lord 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:325 07:04 LarienTelrunya: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/fjj5ab/nethack_37_will_revamp_amnesia_allowing_for/ 07:06 stenno: commented :P 07:06 also why is every single 3.6/3.7 change being hyped as if they were actually good? 3.7 is like a religion IMHO... 07:06 wut? 07:06 LarienTelrunya: I think you are correct; you are the only player who will miss the 3.4.3 amnesia mechanic. 07:07 [backscroll] only LarienTelrunya would look at the removal of interface-screw annoying features as a negative 07:07 in fact, 3.7 can also pull stuff from random variants and it'll always be hyped as something completely new and great, i.e. they get credit for reinventing wheels that have been invented in other variants ages ago! :P 07:07 oh hey Pinkbeast you beat me by one minute 07:08 the commit message actually mentions the changes are taken from fiqhack 07:08 taken and adjusted 07:08 heck, they even get credit for the mysterious force bastardization even though all other variants have done the sane thing and *removed* it... 07:08 The incentive to break the fourth wall and keep out-of-game notes to subvert the mechanic was particularly bad. 07:08 LarienTelrunya: would you prefer that vanilla ties their hands by only ever implementing completely original ideas? 07:08 I don't think anyone could claim adjusting the mysterious force was an original idea. 07:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 246 points, T:1049, killed by a bolt of lightning 07:09 aosdict: if that's the alternative to this current potpourri of "implement random features from all variants excluding SLEX", yes 07:09 also I think when vanilla ports in something from a variant it gets credited appropriately 07:09 anyway, have fun downvote-brigading my comment in stenno's thread now :P 07:09 i wont brigade anything 07:11 i think its super exciting that the dev team takes inspiration from the battle-tested variants 07:11 I think it just makes 3.7 feel even more like you're playing a variant, and in fact by constantly stealing from each other all the variants are going to feel like you're playing basically the same game with very minor differences... 07:12 LarienTelrunya: are you just salty that vanilla is unlikely to take anything from slex 07:12 aosdict: not salty, "sad" would be the correct term; slex has so much stuff and I think quite some of it is actually pretty great even from a non-Amy perspective, but no one is willing to discover it 07:12 also I think there are more variants it hasn't paid attention to than variants it has drawn stuff from 07:13 LarienTelrunya: no one wants to sift through the thousands of commits and lines of code adding block-heeled buckled boots and purple bouncing girls and whatever 07:13 I find dnh has this same problem 07:13 LarienTelrunya: that's a bit of the problem, SLEX has so much stuff, it's hard to find stuff that fits into your variant (although I think I've started to warm up to the , interface addition). 07:14 thanks aosdict for cheering me up ♥ slex will have purple bouncing girls in a future version! thanks! 07:14 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 07:14 ^ has the revamped amnesia 07:14 I agree with stenno, I think it's very good that there's a vibrant variant scene that vanilla is drawing from. 07:14 dnh has a lot of stuff that's cool when I learn about it, but there's just a sheer volume of stuff that's specific to dnh 07:14 bhaak: do you mean the replacement of "there is a cockatrice corpse here, do you want your possessions identified?" with , for "floor"? that's slashem actually 07:14 so it hasn't yet been worth my while to go picking through dnh to find the cool stuff 07:15 aosdict: well I do continuously look at dnh's commit history for things to steal :) 07:15 LarienTelrunya: if you look back at the previous height of variant development when grunthack, acehack, nh4, and unnethack (did I miss anything?) were going strong, you can't say that they converged onto the same gameplay. interface features, yes, many were shared, but not necessarily gameplay features. 07:16 although the main file to look at is of course monst.c, the One File To Rule Em All And In The Darkness Bind Them™ 07:16 ... and I think that, as the author of a roguelike variant that vanilla ignores even though there's some perfectly good stuff in there, there's no point me getting exercised about it, such is life. Same goes for anyone else in that situation. 07:17 bhaak: grunthack was always kind of its own thing, but back then not all the active variant devs were gathered on IRC either (or were they?) 07:17 they were 07:17 aosdict: if that's the alternative to this current potpourri of "implement random features from all variants excluding SLEX", yes ← vanilla has one feature added at your suggestion, I'd be surprised if that wasn't in slex given that it was your idea 07:17 also back then there weren't so many variants in general 07:17 grunt used to be online 07:18 ais523: which one was that again? I seem to recall something but not sure what it was 07:18 something with sickness maybe? 07:18 the message in impossible() 07:18 i think its highest point was 3.4.3 after the first nh4-based variants popped up 07:18 ah I see 07:19 3.2/3.3 pulled the entire magic rework from variant-land and that seemed to go OK 07:19 bhaak: , for floor is one of the few Slash'EM things that I implemented in AceHack and NH4 07:19 sokoban is also from slashem, and the (bastardized in vanilla :P) monk 07:19 wasn't the whole wizard thing a bilious patch? 07:19 stenno: we're only missing, what, two devs of actively played variants? 07:19 it's just so much better than the interface that uses y/n prompts, being both faster to use and more consistent/muscle-memorizable 07:19 I mean I get that they didn't want the techniques, but why did they have to butcher monk's martial arts damage? 07:19 LarienTelrunya: I don't add slashem stuff :-) 07:19 and one of those two is still here but never talks 07:20 LarienTelrunya: so I need a rationalized reason that it's not from slashem 07:20 grunt has left, lorimer is still around 07:20 stenno: I was talking about dyna 07:20 oh 07:20 right 07:20 lorimer says something every month or so :-) 07:20 is the S in SLethe and SGrunt the same? 07:21 like the D in monkey D ruffy... 07:21 bhaak: what do you have against slashem? 07:21 LarienTelrunya: was the skill cap display thing original to slex? 07:21 LarienTelrunya: it's bad and badly designed and worse coded 07:21 oh the s in slethe is for slash'em 07:22 aosdict: not sure, it might have been from dnethack, or maybe dnethack stole it from slex? 07:22 aosdict: i guess daniel_whatshisname from nitro gets a honorable mention 07:22 bhaak: sure, but the features themselves are not all bad? besides, when stealing features from a variant, there is no set in stone rule that you have to make a carbon copy of their features :P 07:22 bhaak: that didn't stop me from taking an individual feature here and there (and you know, improving the code quality when porting to 3.6) 07:22 er sorry 07:22 ais523: : i guess daniel_whatshisname from nitro gets a honorable mention 07:27 aosdict: do you know the genesis story of slashem? that explains a lot about the code quality. 07:30 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:32 not really, I mean I know that early variants consolidated into SLASH, and then the wizard patch got merged in to make SLASH'EM 07:33 the "reasoning" for why early levels take more XP in slashem is in one of the readme files and it sounds particularly noobish :P 07:33 in fact, it used to be that you'd even need 50 XP for XL2! they reduced it to 40 at some point, but it's still too high 07:34 isn't 40 what vanilla has 07:34 oh no wait vanilla has 20 for 2 and 40 for 3 07:34 should be 20 in vanilla 07:34 in slashem you're basically always one level lower early on than you would normally be 07:34 I found the file 07:35 which makes the early game even harder and the late game, which is already easy enough, becomes even easier since they made high XLs take less XP than in vanilla 07:35 the stated reasoning is that you get brokenly powerful effects at level-up in Slash'EM so the level-ups were slowed down to help balance the game 07:35 lol 07:35 and also that it makes levelling up feel more special 07:35 (A) To offset the powerful affects gain at the higher levels, like with Barbarians with a 20 con ... they could have ~50 HP at level 4! So I made advancement slower to curb the rate of power increase, you will still have ~50 HP at level four, but it will take a long time to get there. 07:35 isn't it so that they said "omg a XL7 barbarian is SOOOOOO STRONG! it needs to be slowed!" and they never thought about the poor little healer who needs every bit of help he can get? 07:36 heh you were faster :D 07:36 I would argue that HP regeneration rate is a more important stat than max HP early game, and possibly late game too 07:36 idk about that 07:36 although, boosting max HP helps with both (at least in vanilla) and thus is worthwhile anyway 07:36 the barbarian just grumbles a bit, takes longer to kill enough stuff to reach that XL, but will then still be as strong as ever... while the healer will die to kittens and little dogs because he can't ever seem to get enough max HP to be able to survive 07:38 huh, Slash'EM 7E7F3's FAQ says that the black market is disabled due to being too buggy 07:38 is that actually the case? 07:39 wtf? at least in slex it exists of course, I'm not aware of it not existing in slashem 07:40 aosdict: https://web.archive.org/web/20031004163818/http://linux.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/3892 07:40 I have a feeling that either a) the FAQ is wrong/outdated, or b) the FAQ is correct but everyone enabled it anyway because it's the sort of thing Slash'EM players like 07:41 also I'm not aware of any bugs with the black market, unless you consider "it's too easy to steal from and make away with all the stuff" a bug :P 07:41 in slashem you can even use conflict to clear out the goons! slex fixed that by making the entire level conflict-proof 07:41 aosdict: money quote: "As luck would have it, the whole thing compiled." if not for a lucky night at trying to do something he didn't have any knowledge off, slashem wouldn't have existed :-) 07:42 "it compiles, ship it" 07:44 bhaak: "Overall, I don't recall any large changes needing to be made to integrate patches with Slash'EM. Mostly it's due to the changes in line numbers" 07:44 *laughs in git* 07:45 that seems already outdated for those days 07:45 unless he didn't have any context diffs 07:46 <@Suzune Takada> Slash'EM: The Sum of All NetHacks 07:46 <@Suzune Takada> in 2003 07:46 maybe Slash'EM was also edited in Notepad? 07:47 <@Suzune Takada> but slem was discontinued and other variants/patches were born 07:47 heh, notepad wouldn't even be able to open slex's monst.c anymore by this point 07:48 I used to use wordpad, and still use it for all the other source files, but it's laggy for monst.c so I use proton for that 07:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 wordpad> egads 07:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:50 <@Suzune Takada> slem has frankenstein's lab and there is guaranteed wand of polymorph 07:50 <@Suzune Takada> but in slem, polypiling doesn't work 07:50 <@Suzune Takada> after polypile a while, item goes back before the polymorph 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest76490 07:51 -!- Guest76490 has quit [Killed (livingstone.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 07:51 polypiling is too strong anyway, I further nerfed it from slashem's implementation :P 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest42008 07:51 -!- Guest42008 has quit [Killed (tepper.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 07:51 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:01 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 08:01 <@Suzune Takada> I heard in the old variant, drow/hobbit are playable "role" 08:01 <@Suzune Takada> like the elf before 3.3 08:02 yes, and in slex they are playable again :D but with different names: drow role is "twelph", hobbit is "ringseeker" and so on 08:04 <@Suzune Takada> what? 08:04 <@Suzune Takada> so, the one ring and the tentacle staff are revived? 08:04 yes :) 08:05 <@Suzune Takada> (funny thing: although the name is Tentacle "Staff", it's two-handed "sword") 08:05 <@Suzune Takada> sry 08:05 <@Suzune Takada> my misread 08:05 <@Suzune Takada> it's quarterstaff 08:05 A("The Tentacle Staff", QUARTERSTAFF, (SPFX_NOGEN|SPFX_RESTR|SPFX_ATTK|SPFX_INTEL|SPFX_WARN|SPFX_STLTH), 0,0, ELEC(8,0), NO_DFNS, NO_CARY, CHARGE_OBJ, A_CHAOTIC, PM_TWELPH, NON_PM, 5000L ), 08:05 (from slex) 08:06 <@Suzune Takada> wow 08:06 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:11 <@Suzune Takada> although drow doesn't have strong strength, droven barbarian is one of the easy role+race because of bare-hand sleep attack 08:11 <@Suzune Takada> in slem 08:11 <@Suzune Takada> it's sad that spl can't select barbarian for drow 08:12 <@Suzune Takada> (instead, infernal barbarian is awesome) 08:13 it's sad that there are banned combos at all, in slex you can combine any race and role you want :D 08:14 hmm mmf amnesia effects were completely removed 08:14 so they just drain int now 08:15 <@Suzune Takada> speaking of infernal: is it the race like demon? 08:15 <@Suzune Takada> (in spl) 08:15 mmf should make you forget skills just like the new scroll of amnesia 08:15 man... they're making 3.7 way too easy, are they catering to noob players who come from the roguelite community now? :P 08:15 otherwise mmf just became 'meh' 08:16 at least they're not doing the gnollhack difficulty modes thing 08:20 mmfs drain int attack is already super nasty 08:20 maybe we will see a unihorn nerf soon..? 08:20 that would be nice 08:21 oh my god no, the blanket "you can't restore abilities" method is so annoying in all variants that have it 08:21 with that, it's impossible to keep dexterity high because being satiated for just a few turns means you're guaranteed to lose a point on the next check, every time, without fail 08:22 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Bar Inf Nbn Cha), 38 points, T:232, killed by opening a silver container 08:22 you can restore abilities LarienTelrunya 08:22 its called 'potion of restore ability' 08:23 you should try one sometime, I hear they're tasty 08:23 yeah but who wants to waste a whole potion whenever a single point is drained? 08:23 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 08:23 they're not exactly common 08:23 in that case it wouldnt be a waste would it? 08:23 there is a spell and a potion of restore ability 08:23 but wait, there's more! 08:23 right now, rest ab. is useless thanks to unihorn 08:23 introducing the spell 'restore ability' 08:23 it wouldn't be a waste if, I dunno, 5 points have been drained and the potion then restores them all, but for one single measly point... 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:584 08:24 lol, samurai can't cast spells in vanilla though 08:24 everything's always 100% fail 08:24 sure they can 08:24 blessed potion restores all lost points of an ability, doesn't it? 08:24 not like a wizard but they can if you put some effort into it 08:24 stenno yeah 08:24 blessed potion restores all lost points in all attributes, uncursed restores all in one randomly selected drained attribute 08:25 or am I misremembering? 08:25 that sounds right 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 490 points, T:707, killed by a dwarf 08:25 blesed RA can also give you back a drianed level I think 08:25 so I usually want to save those rare potions for when there's actually a bunch of points that have been drained 08:25 not waste them for restoring single lost points 08:25 so this leaves L as the premium geno target 08:25 but you dont play anything 3.6/3.7 baed anyways LarienTelrunya so.... 08:26 *based 08:26 we're all worked up about it because... ? 08:27 well maybe I would play it if it didn't have so many "arrgh factors" :P 08:27 hah 08:27 also I always follow development for the occasional thing to steal for slex; in fact by now there's I think 5 features from 3.6/3.7 that I stole 08:28 it's just that I need to mine through a lot of dirt to pick out those little gold clumps from their sea of commits :P 08:28 <@Suzune Takada> I think aklys goes back to user when thrown/javelin is merged to spear skill are good for 3.6 feature 08:29 <@Suzune Takada> (That's why I don't play 3.4.3 based variants nowadays like slem/unh) 08:30 LarienTelrunya: Sooo, to be clear, it's vanilla has the sea of commits? :-) 08:30 amnesia nerf also softly addresses minesflayer problem lol 08:30 isn't the aklys thing bugged beyond belief? in slex I just made it so that the aklys can be applied like a polearm :P 08:31 <@Suzune Takada> ah 08:31 <@Suzune Takada> it's cool 08:32 now that amnesia kills skills, vanilla should implement unnethack's version of how many points it takes to advance a skill 08:32 ^ bhaak 08:32 no, no, unihorn nerf is more important for now 08:32 ^ bhaak 08:32 more point. MOAR 08:32 ^^^ bhaak 08:32 :D 08:32 :P 08:32 UNIHORN!!!1! 08:33 ^^^^^ bhaak 08:33 uniroflcopter!!!111!!one!! 08:33 SOI SOI SOI 08:33 <@Suzune Takada> I read the article somewhere "how to finish astral plane easily in slashem" 08:33 omg, having basic take more training effort than skilled is also so annoying... 08:33 ^^^^^^^bhaak 08:33 <@Suzune Takada> 1. prepare the polymorph control ring and tin of doppelganger/chameleon 08:34 <@Suzune Takada> 2. prepare 2 or more wish and any gloves 08:34 <@Suzune Takada> 3. enter the astral plane 08:34 <@Suzune Takada> 4. polymorph to genetic engineer 08:34 anyway I have to leave for a surprisingly-not-coronacancelled-tour on a train now :P 08:34 <@Suzune Takada> 5. wish for blessed corpse of cocatrice 08:34 <@Suzune Takada> 6. wield corpse of cocatrice and attack 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> 7. enemies turn to stone, if they have immune to stone, polymorph to other monster and became stone 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> 8. wow! riders also turn to stone 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> 9. ??? 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> 10. PROFIT 08:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Bar Inf Nbn Cha), 400 points, T:891, cut down by a gnome lord 08:44 -!- slengtorm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 394 points, T:557, killed by an acid blob 08:57 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Bar Inf Nbn Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3471 09:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 1603 points, T:1910, killed by a bolt of cold 09:06 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Bar Inf Nbn Cha), 4542 points, T:3923, exterminated by a mumak 09:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 545 points, T:891, killed by a drow matron of Quetzalcoatl, while frozen by a potion 09:11 <{Demo}1> why does Qdaddy have drows? 09:13 what changes 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 323 points, T:508, poisoned by a jumping spider 09:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14 wait what changes did I do to amnesia 09:14 I know I *iuntended* to do some changes to it 09:14 but I didn't remember actually going through with it 09:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed Axus, on T:27828 09:15 FIQ: did you cut it out entirely? 09:16 I did not 09:16 stenno: I'd rather the devteam wait on nerfing unihorns until I can consolidate some ideas about them and maybe implement them 09:16 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 09:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 09:16 ok so I did some investigating 09:16 I suppose the simple "unihorn doesn't restore ability" is fine if that's what they went with 09:16 it appears that fiqhack does in fact have such a feature 09:17 but it doesn't originate in fiqhack at all 09:17 it originates in AceHack 09:17 hah 09:17 ACEHACK 09:18 \o/ 09:18 I believe the name AceHack is a pun on aishack 09:18 which kerio kept calling ais523's variant before it had a name 09:18 this is second-hand information, it was before my time 09:18 but yeah 09:19 !who 09:19 K2: [hdf-us] post163 [nh370] wickedfierce [nh370] hackedhead [nh4] Som [dnh] malor [dnh] Delraven [xnh] | [hdf-eu] lacca [nh370] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:19 FIQ: then DeuceHack was derivative of Ace? 09:19 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:19 heya AntiGulp 09:19 hiya 09:19 AntiGulp: Message from porkman at 2020-03-14 20:12 EDT: thanks :) 09:19 AntiGulp: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-03-15 18:04 EDT: what is a "cuddly cutie" and why is it remarkable enough to be mentioned? today I had some hideously ugly guy call me a "cutie" on a train (he probably was an american) 09:19 [backscroll] oh god 09:19 hi antigulp, that was a mighty long lunch 09:19 I was hungry 09:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed Oona, on T:28168 09:20 aosdict: DeuceHack is AceHack 09:20 in multiplayer mode 09:20 oh you mean the name 09:20 Probably, I don't know though 09:21 So I missed a huge discussion about… vanilla changing amnesia. Wow. 09:21 its all the rage 09:22 AntiGulp: I might re-enable amnesia now 09:22 since the interface annoyance factor is entirely gone 09:22 I’m not sure I agree completely with the change, since it feels like it nerfs amnesia a little too heavily, but I’m really excited that vanilla is experimenting with redoing one of their most maligned mechanics. 09:22 I’ll probably re-enable it. 09:22 ais is not the best in naming stuff 09:23 so he went and relied on kerio 09:23 hmm I have a mention in fixes36.3 under community patches 09:23 he's also not the best in choosing name givers 09:23 "FIQ's curses (PDCurses) number pad changes in pull request #247" 09:23 AntiGulp the big nerf to that is that mmf/mf only int drain you now. if you have a unihorn, no big deal 09:23 I did quite a bit more than that though 09:23 mmf/mf just became 'meh' 09:23 having major contributions to the curses windowport in general, such as perm_invent 09:23 Oh well 09:24 FIQ its ok. we know what you did :) 09:24 Also bhaak, you’re absolutely right. Slash’em’s design and code are both pretty darn awful. I end up rewriting / rebalancing almost everything I pull from it. 09:24 The grenade code is the stuff of hell 09:24 K2: haha I don't really care all that much 09:25 just fo und it a bit odd that I'm credited somewhat inconsistently (I also have a bunch of mentions by my full name in the source by viertue of NetHack's compulsive need to tell who last changed a file) 09:25 *found 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:877 09:26 K2: where does it change things so that MFs don't cause amnesia? was that a separate commit? 09:27 same commit 09:27 stenno looked closer at the code, he said mmf no longer make you forget anything 09:27 does vanilla have menuglyphs nowdays? 09:27 oh I see 09:27 FIQ no 09:28 there's commented out code for the sidebar for it 09:28