00:02 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09 !tell {Demo}1 https://termbin.com/spxu 00:09 K2: Message from {Demo}1 at 2020-03-14 22:14 EDT: ndnh crashed and recovered fine but if I can get a backtrace it would be nice for me to track down what the hell happened 00:09 I'm on it, K2. 00:10 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4233 00:14 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4819 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5167 00:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:46052 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 12115 points, T:8530, killed by a soldier ant 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:41433 01:01 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07 -!- moon-child is now known as AlexaBot 01:07 -!- AlexaBot is now known as moon-child 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1367 points, T:1911, killed by a fire ant 01:53 !who 01:53 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] vimla [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 01:55 K2: 👀 01:55 weee 01:56 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:58 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 01:58 wyd 02:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 02:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:27 <@John VI> A story in three parts 02:28 Two stories, even 02:38 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 186 points, T:698, mowed down by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 02:59 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 3513 points, T:3000, cut down by a werewolf, while fainted from lack of food 03:17 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 04:01 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Gun Asg Fem Cha), 3531 points, T:2096, quit 05:35 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:51 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6434 06:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:17 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 7296 points, T:8438, killed by a mountain centaur 06:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Ogresmasher", on T:9349 06:47 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 07:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:12024 07:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) killed the Cerberus, on T:12688 07:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:13604 07:45 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 07:48 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 07:48 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Fem Cha), 3834 points, T:2912, overpowered by a hellbear 08:14 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 231 points, T:1317, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 08:17 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 283 points, T:656, done in by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 08:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 08:20 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 359 points, T:866, defeated by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 08:24 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 675 points, T:421, dismembered by a killer bee 08:30 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 124 points, T:708, overpowered by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 08:36 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 1370 points, T:648, slain by a dwarf 08:40 <@Suzune Takada> -_- 08:40 <@Suzune Takada> picked Sting 08:42 <@Pacra> @Suzune Takada rough 08:44 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 755 points, T:968, slaughtered by an invisible mind flayer telepath 08:44 <@Suzune Takada> "mineflayer" 08:57 -!- porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:57 -!- porkman has joined #hardfought 09:06 The zombie zombie hits! You destroy the zombie zombie! 09:07 good, we can't have zombie zombies running around like that 09:07 <{Demo}1> dnh binder quest? 09:07 {Demo}1: Message from K2 at 2020-03-15 00:09 EDT: https://termbin.com/spxu 09:07 {Demo}1: yeah, looks like there's a whole graveyard full of them! 09:09 <{Demo}1> yeah for some reason that hasn't been fixed since it was added in 3.15 even though it is brought up every time and it is just so forgettable. can't recall if it is fixed in devel. if it isn't, probably should submit a dnh issue so it isn't forgotten 09:09 <@Suzune Takada> zombie zombie? 09:10 I assumed it's not fixed because it's hilarious :)\ 09:11 oh hey it's 0:10 here - I just got the Run away! Run away! message 09:12 K2 wishes evilhack had zombie zombies :P 09:12 so is a zombie zombie what you get when you take down a zombie by destroying its brain or whatever, and then some higher ranking zombie infects it with something that makes it move even in spite of that? 09:13 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22 * K2 wants zombie zombies 09:24 zombie^2 09:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:24 :) 09:26 * aosdict applies a square root to the zombie zombie. 09:29 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 09:42 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 09:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:51 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:52 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:03 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 10:03 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 10:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:26270 10:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) became the Glory of Chardros, on T:26615 10:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:26615 10:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:19 <{Demo}1> hmm, time to thrash chaos quest 10:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2189 10:21 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:29068 10:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:29280 10:25 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:29364 10:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:29427 10:27 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:29487 10:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) wished for "blessed +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:20142 10:29 YANI: change rogues' special spell to knock, rather than detect treasure 10:29 <{Demo}1> so that pirates can have treasure? 10:29 this YANI was not made with pirates in mind, but sure 10:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1802 points, T:2479, killed by a dwarf 10:30 ok why do all these neutral xnh players keep naming sting 10:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Brd Hlf Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:21304 10:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:52 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:29539 10:52 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:29541 10:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Elf Mal Non) wished for "blessed dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:20909 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:44186 11:02 found my bones then was killed by the same gnome that killed me last time 11:02 amateurhour: Message from oh6 at 2020-03-14 21:31 EDT: no offence intended 11:03 haha what, what could have possibly been offensive 11:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30305 11:08 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 48963 points, T:18454, killed by a forest centaur's wand 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:296 11:10 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 11:14 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:30790 11:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 11:19 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased stormhelm", on T:30985 11:19 <{Demo}1> ^ burned 3 wishes on that 11:23 <{Demo}1> eyyyyy quicksilver in the sigil shop! 11:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Lady of Pain, on T:31288 11:36 <{Demo}1> engagement is free action, niec 11:36 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:45304 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 18 points, T:315, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 98 points, T:309, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 71 points, T:315, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:48 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Ang Fem Law), 194 points, T:302, killed by a riding accident 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1455 11:50 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 11:51 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 11:51 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 11:52 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 11:52 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 11:57 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 11:58 -!- porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:45952 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2253 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:2253 12:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:33042 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2403 12:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:46263 12:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class m, on T:46295 12:12 <{Demo}1> I've learned 25/31 spirits of the near void and none of them are naberius 12:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 65522 points, T:14130, killed by an Uruk-hai 12:12 I wish I knew what that meant 12:19 <{Demo}1> pdrag tower... :/ 12:19 <{Demo}1> but im a wiz inc 12:19 in the mimic mine's end, all the mimics are one square away from the gems so far 12:20 is this a flipping issue perhaps? 12:20 oh one of them was on the gems actually, maybe the others just moved around 12:25 amateurhour: tested with a vertically flipped one, seems ok 12:25 I think in most of the niches the mimics don't occupy the rearmost spot, but instead the one in front of it 12:26 why, I don't know. maybe so you can kick the loadstone 12:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:38166 12:26 <{Demo}1> too bad i can't wear the plate :( 12:29 plate-inum dragon 12:31 <{Demo}1> i think it interferes with spell casting HARD 12:32 hey, if you get a wererat to bite dagon, does he turn into a dragon? 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47175 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47177 12:38 aosdict: I had all but one of the mimics occupying the furthest spot 12:38 but the gems were in the nearer spot 12:38 hmm 12:39 if the gems were in the nearer spot, probably not a flipping bug 12:39 maybe their limbs went numb so they had a wander to get some circulation back 12:39 <{Demo}1> learned naberius as my 29/31 spirit 12:39 because that's where the gems are supposed to be 12:41 does it separately set the mimic locations? 12:42 technically yes, they're different commands in the lua file, but the coordinates are identical 12:42 to the ones used for gems 12:43 if you saw mimics embedded in walls that might indicate a bug 12:43 but 12:43 don't think there is a bug here 12:44 have they been known to wander? 12:46 dunno 12:54 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 126 points, T:352, killed by a falling object 12:57 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 76 points, T:310, slipped while mounting a saddled baby gold dragon 13:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 259 points, T:746, killed by a hobbit 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4952 13:08 flipped sokoban is still tripping me up a lot 13:08 idk why my brain is struggling so much with it 13:13 nvm 13:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] tanyao (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 6940 points, T:6867, killed by a mumak 13:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Bael, on T:43203 13:34 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47495 13:35 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 13:36 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed the Avatar of Lolth, on T:43346 13:37 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) killed Fell, on T:43364 13:38 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 13:38 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- merlek has quit [Client Quit] 13:40 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 13:40 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of charm monster", on T:37456 13:43 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed saddle", on T:37499 13:44 -!- merlek has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:315 13:55 go tariru 13:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37874 13:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37876 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2015 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2093 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1071 points, T:2316, killed by a manes 14:07 K2: did you overtake NAO now> 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:759 14:07 who me? what? 14:07 apparently not 14:08 oh you fixed something 14:08 in process still but yeah 14:08 ok 14:09 :P 14:09 stenno I joined the NAO admin team yesterday 14:09 <{Demo}1> wait what 14:09 aah that was it then 14:09 thought something like that 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:1299 14:10 well then, good luck? or what you say in those situation 14:10 s 14:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:10 enjoy the new responsabilities :P 14:12 thanks :) 14:13 was a pretty big deal imo 14:13 never expected to be asked. humbling 14:13 glad to help 14:13 so are you responsible for deploying new versions etc? 14:14 <{Demo}1> how have nao player numbers been in the last 5 years? 14:14 <{Demo}1> anyone got a graph? 14:14 i have 3.6.6 ready to go on NAO, just need to to the dgl edits 14:14 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 14:14 wanted to address the top scores thing too 14:14 {Demo}1: 25/30 active players at any time 14:14 ok 14:15 very first thing i did was fix the current players online on the main NAO webpage 14:15 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 14:15 nothing difficult, just that paxed is really busy with devteam stuff, dtype is busy too 14:16 According to the most recent games page on NAO, no games have finished since August 1, 2011 14:16 <{Demo}1> can we get highlights 14:16 i'm in process of rebuilding the top scores page as we speak 14:17 <{Demo}1> i want something that has some algorithm for picking "highlights" out of ttyrecs 14:17 <{Demo}1> and featuring highlight replays onthe web page 14:17 takes some time due to the sheer number of games having been played on NAO 14:18 like splattv? 14:18 <{Demo}1> lol 14:18 stenno: K2 is consolidating server admin power. once kerio falls the new age shall begin 14:19 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:19 hah no 14:19 i just work here 14:19 <{Demo}1> kerio is an arch lich 14:19 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5203 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:5217 14:27 {Demo}1: i've already received some shit from kerio. ;) 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:5600 14:28 damn, just as i try to lure some wraiths back up from gehennom the game crashes (oops. hit space to continue) 14:29 ruffni which game? 14:29 <{Demo}1> hope u have cold res 14:29 fdsa on hdf-eu (see Beholder from 5 min ago) 14:30 ok 14:32 ruffni game is recovered. dont try to go back up unless you have levitation or better, use a cursed potion of gain level 14:32 you game was created during the castle level flip stairs bug 14:32 that bug has been fixed but existing games with the bug are stuck with it 14:32 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33 ok. thanks! so everything works as expected as long as i have levitation when going up to the castle? 14:34 well its in case you placed on top of water 14:34 and the game could still crash 14:34 its best to use a cursed potion of gain level to go back up from the valley 14:36 hmmm... and right now i'm on top of a water tile but not sinking? so i'm putting on a ring of levitation and i'm fine? 14:37 if your ring is in your open inventory yeah 14:37 if it takes a turn to get it out of your bag for example you could drown 14:37 lucky me! 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7393 14:39 -!- MaryHadalittle has quit [*.net *.split] 14:39 -!- waesum has quit [*.net *.split] 14:39 -!- Gaelan has quit [*.net *.split] 14:39 -!- waesum has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- MaryHadalittle has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 14:40 hmmmm... so i guess i cant lure up the wraiths now... 14:40 pity 14:40 ruffni if you obtain the amulet and start your ascrun back up, keep an extra cursed potion of gain level handy for transition from the valley to the castle 14:40 you say that as if those just lay around in the dungeons 14:40 but thanks, i'll try to remember :) 14:41 :) 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:7897 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1406 points, T:7999, killed by an Elvenking, while praying 14:43 orctown >:( 14:43 got MHL's bones with a nice sum of gold, could have bought protection 14:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:37891 14:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53 YANI: fix magic missile OPness by scaling it on skill level rather than XL; give it 2 (or 3?) d6's of damage per attack spell skill level 14:54 is it actually OP, or just in OP under the right conditions? 14:54 it's pretty OP considering its pw cost never increases 14:55 I think the correct fix is to make more monsters immune to it 14:55 otoh, this system means wizards would start out with 4d6 magic missile 14:55 (yes, I know some are immune to it at the moment, but it's not very many) 14:55 early game, a wizard's spells are basically escape items 14:55 because you run out of Pw so easily 14:56 not if you fix the pw regen formula 14:56 so having magic missile deal 4d6 from game start is possibly not broken 14:56 oh yes, assuming a pw regen formula fix it'd be a problem 14:56 it's hard to know what other changes have and haven't been made in the variant under discussion 14:56 so I normally assume current vanilla unless indicated otherwise 14:56 I'm not keen on making my proposals contingent on an "unfixed" mechanic :) 14:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:37992 14:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:37995 14:57 YANI: two Pw pools, one of which recharges much faster than the other 14:57 thanks Huan Ti 14:58 flipped sokoban messes with my head 14:59 nobody likes flipped sokoban 14:59 oh6: just wait till I implement ice sokoban 14:59 not the ones who like sokoban, not the ones who want to get it over with 14:59 ice sokoban 14:59 as in sliding ice puzzle-style? 14:59 one time (in some variant) I managed flipped 2a by imagining the whole thing turned upside down, and at one point I started wondering how I'd acquired two tame rock piercers 14:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:00 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38004 15:00 FIQ: yes 15:00 <{Demo}1> ice sliding! 15:00 boulders keep sliding when pushed 15:00 <{Demo}1> i support 15:00 support 15:00 coming up with the puzzles will be the most difficult part because I'm not naturally a puzzle creator 15:01 also have to figure out what to do if the ice gets melted. maybe in soko it should be immune to melting 15:01 because things outside your control can zap fire 15:02 <@riker> one of my favorite dnethack changes is that monsters don't spawn in the soko boulder portions 15:02 <@riker> only in the room at the end (and the door is locked) 15:02 <@riker> that would probably prevent most fire zaps? 15:03 well then the player could still zap fire 15:03 or summon monsters carrying fire stuff 15:03 <@riker> that's on them 15:03 out of interest, why can't we swim if we're unburdened? always wondered 15:03 amateurhour: you never learned to swim 15:03 <@riker> you're heralded from birth, but you're also from a land-locked country 15:04 we're from cultures where not learning to swim is accepted as normal 15:04 slengtorm: Message from K2 at 2020-03-14 14:45 EDT: I tested your 343 save from NAO against our build. unfortunately it is NOT save compatable, as we added auto open doors patch to our build a couple years ago. sorry :/ 15:04 <@riker> swimming was not part of that comprehensive education 15:04 do we need like 20 intelligence to hold our heads out of the water? 15:04 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:04 its all that gear you're wearing 15:05 if you throw someone who never learned to swim into the water, they can drown from panicking 15:06 aosdict: make a puzzle generator 15:06 people don't really think rationally when they think they're drowning 15:06 I was very confused when I first started encountering people from cultures where not learning to swim is standard 15:06 FIQ: oh sure I'll just go do that then 15:06 I still think it's nuts but I'm kind of used to it now 15:06 learn to swim, folks, and teach your kids 15:07 aosdict: simple :P 15:07 <{Demo}1> wait slengtorm, where do they not? 15:07 the easier floors could just be ice sliding puzzles, without boulders 15:07 short and sweet 15:08 gets the noggin joggin' 15:08 in Chinese culture most people don't learn to swim 15:08 so in China and Taiwan 15:08 plenty of people still do obviously, but like under half, I'm pretty sure 15:08 it's extremely unnerving 15:08 <@riker> in mexico, people generally know how to swim if they're near the coast obviously but other than that, the same applies 15:09 <{Demo}1> i guess a lot of places in china maybe there isn't safe water to swim? 15:10 well I'm pretty sure it's at root a cultural thing: it's just not considered important 15:10 but beyond that, yeah, in contemporary China most people just don't have easy access to swimming pools (especially uncrowded, cheap ones) or natural water in which swimming is safe 15:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38420 15:13 in the UK they teach everyone to swim in secondary school (although it's quite common for people's parents to teach them before the school does) 15:13 <{Demo}1> yeah i've seen that in the movies or something 15:14 <{Demo}1> snotty accented british kids talking about learning to swim 15:14 it's quite complicated because the students normally vary massively in swimming ability 15:15 <{Demo}1> yeah that sounds annoying 15:15 the primary school my sister went to had a swimming pool, I didn't go to primary in the UK so don't know if that's normal 15:15 <{Demo}1> i would guess most of europe teaches their kids to swim? 15:15 in my case, I don't swim at all quickly and won't win competitions for swimming style, but can stay above water and move in the direction I choose to 15:15 (other than down, sometimes, I'm bad at diving) 15:16 ais523: are british swimming competitions more commonplace than american? 15:16 <{Demo}1> it would depend where in america honestly 15:17 aosdict: they exist, and there's a scheme where children can win badges for swimming certain distances 15:17 but they're not commonplace or part of our culture or anything 15:17 you could easily go through your life without realising they were there 15:17 i cant imagine not learning how to swim as a young kid 15:17 i remember jumping off the high dive at age 5 for the first time, scared to death 15:17 K2 remind me where you grew up 15:18 texas/oklahoma 15:18 hm. I was going to say, new englanders have so many nice water bodies lying around that I feel more people learn to swim 15:18 but that wouldn't apply to you 15:19 <@Tone> Growing up in Florida, pretty much everyone learns to swim 15:19 <{Demo}1> i think a lot of places have a lot of small water bodies you could technically swim in cause that's just how temperate areas are 15:19 in vermont there's not as many opportunities to swim 15:19 but we've made a point to get lessons for mini-me and go swim in the summer 15:20 she doesnt have to be an expert swimmer, just enough to float and keep her head above water 15:20 which she can do, so mission accomplished 15:21 {Demo}1: the largest factor is whether the area was glaciated during the last ice age 15:21 <{Demo}1> oh hmm idk the range on that 15:21 if you're too far south for that, you have to dam things to get water bodies 15:21 IIRC there are only like 2 natural lakes in virginia and 1 in tennessee 15:21 <{Demo}1> i just know theres fucka creeks and ponds around here 15:21 I grew up in Kentucky and the very idea of someone reaching the age of 5 without being able to swim seemed sheer insanity to me before meeting a lot of Chinese people 15:22 I don't really remember not being able to swim 15:23 <{Demo}1> and sometimes when ur a kid u wanna go play out in the dirty ass creek and there are some deep parts so u better be able to swim incase u fall in 15:24 yeah, I pretty much grew up in muddy creeks, ponds, swimming holes 15:25 yo 15:25 muddy creeks? bleah 15:28 crawfish fishin 15:28 used to do that as a kid 15:29 yeah we would just catch them by hand and put them in buckets 15:29 yup 15:29 or sometimes use a net 15:29 sometimes try to get them to fight each other for our entertainment 15:29 pretty cruel 15:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elven dagger on an altar, on T:3177 15:29 mini lobsters 15:30 do they taste like lobster 15:30 * aosdict has never had either crawfish or lobster 15:30 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31 no 15:31 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39313 15:31 the taste is much less strong 15:32 I've eaten them mostly in China though, where they're slathered in oil and hot peppers, so it's kind of hard to remember 15:32 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 12 points, T:178, killed by a jackal 15:36 i think kerio is invaluable regarding anything with security 15:37 he was (and i assume still is) super passionate about security and he has a lot of knowledge regarding secops 15:37 heh, it's fun to imagine that all the recent new releases to fix CVEs are aimed at stopping kerio specifically 15:37 (they aren't, but who else would be likely to exploit them?) 15:37 its probably your dream secops advisor 15:40 who's that? 15:43 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:39767 15:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39768 15:47 admin of another nethack server 15:48 paddled sail horse 15:49 K2: you should ask kerio if he wants to check NAO under secops point of view 15:49 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:49 <@riker> nao not hdf? 15:49 heh 15:50 well nao and hdf but i assume that kerio already gave input regarding hdf at some point 15:51 kerio's been mostly ignoring 3.6 as far as I've noticed 15:52 even though there is a much more convenient build system now? 15:52 istr that his main issue about 3.4.3-based variants was that installing it was annoying 15:52 and that he therefore preferred nh4-based variants 15:52 I'm sure he would say that the new build system still sucks. not as much as the one in 3.4.3 but still 15:53 fair 15:53 he made a very dense GNUMakefile for compiling nethack. 15:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Pride, on T:39970 15:53 woop grats tariru 15:54 K2: you fixed !gamesby :o thanks 15:54 :P 15:55 3.6 build system is barely better than 3.4 15:56 oh.. 15:56 i thought it was easier with those hint files or w/e they called? 15:56 like, it's slightly more convenient to use, which is nice, but it's still a giant ball of unreadable code 15:56 i see 15:57 well, aimake had its own problems. 15:57 You see here a giant heavy ball of unreadable code (chained to your build system). 15:57 but most nh4-based variants added kerio's Makefile 15:57 I have a 89-line makefile 15:58 I don't think anyone else has gotten rid of makedefs, which was one thing that complicated the build system 15:58 getting rid of the level compiler is good, though 15:58 how did you get around the things like autogeneration of onames.h and pm.h? 15:59 magic 15:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Envy, on T:40046 15:59 basically they're declared inline 15:59 <{Demo}1> rewrite how monsters and objects are stored and interpretted 15:59 and you do two passes over the header file 16:00 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 so in monst.c you say something like 3MON(PM_KILLER_BEE, "killer bee", S_ANT, ...0, and then pm.h includes monst.h just to get the PM_KILLER_BEE symbol 16:00 *monst.c 16:00 and the main monst.c pass ignores that 16:00 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01 also does your makefile support all the platforms vanilla is currently trying to support? 16:01 vms etc? 16:01 no 16:01 but that becomes less practical when lua is a required dep anyway 16:02 I don't know what the platform list is for 3.7. But they are requiring c89 now 16:02 yes, that knocked off the very oldest systems that didn't have c89 compilers 16:02 probably my thing is less portable. But the main point is, this isn't a terribly complicated problem to solve. You don't need 3000 lines of build system magic 16:03 oh, it's only 2k now, for unix 16:03 does your makefile support windows/mac/linux 16:03 mac/linux yes; windows probably, but I've not checked yet 16:03 and there's other stuff that needs to be tweaked to work well on windows 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Mon Gia Fem Neu) destroyed post163's gnome zombie, the former Thaumaturge, on T:19748 16:05 K2: your spork/grunt changes don't break saves, right? 16:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Sloth, on T:40134 16:08 moon-child in regards to what? 16:08 is base grunthack save-compatible with grunthack-hdf? 16:08 the versions on both of those have incremented due to save breaking chages/fixes or additions 16:08 oh, no not at all 16:09 <{Demo}1> need a save file editor for fixing corrupt saves 16:09 a-heh 16:10 I think amy has something like that 16:10 not sure. But she's fixed broken saves for people before 16:10 I've fixed corrupt saves using a combination of a) a modified game executable, b) a debugger 16:10 in vanilla-like save systems 16:10 <{Demo}1> it would be nice for it to ship with the game 16:10 but it's difficult and probably isn't going to work in most cases 16:11 <{Demo}1> as part of util 16:11 doing that isn't the sort of thing you can easily ship or easily automate (and in the case of AceHack, the most important game executable changes are part of the default build) 16:12 I'm planning to ship a json-based save system at some point 16:12 so you can fix the save file by hand 16:13 yay json 16:14 main problem with that is it becomes trivial to edit the save file (with notepad or w/e). Maybe not complicated stuff, but 3"maxhp": 999990 kind of stuff. So maybe xcrypt comes back 16:14 yeah sounds like a server-only thing 16:14 xcrypt doesn't really protect anything 16:14 welp just got the call, all schools closing in my county starting wednesday 16:14 gotta figure out what to do with mini-me 16:14 K2: is that a surprise? 16:15 no 16:15 aosdict: the point isn't to protect anything, the opint is to keep people from double-clicking 'save.json' and changing their hp 16:15 knew it was coming 16:15 already? 16:15 but now its official 16:15 moon-child: anyone determined enough on a local install can go and binary edit their maxhp 16:15 yeah 16:15 your county is faster than the rest of the countr 16:15 actually what _is_ the problem of people doing that 16:15 local installs are no longer considered legitimate 16:15 ^ 16:15 K2: yeah, my school is already extending spring breka, and probably going to do online classes after 16:15 oh not just county, its state-wide 16:15 we got the call on friday 16:16 aosdict, stenno: right, so anyone can save-scum, wizardmode, whatever, if they really want to. But if it's *slightly* harder than trivial, a lot fewer people will do it 16:16 the borders of my country are closed 16:16 which is fine because there's already a dedicated cheatmode, for local play 16:16 stenno: granted I think if someone goes and writes a YAAP on reddit about their local win, might as well assume it's legit 16:16 sure i opvote yaaps too 16:16 it depends on how special the win is I guess 16:16 unless they're claiming something outrageous yes 16:16 if someone claims to have ascended in 2015 turns locally I would be sceptical 16:17 although, playing local would make the bones-stuffing much easier 16:17 so there would be some reasons to do it 16:17 <{Demo}1> also you can save scum locally 16:17 <{Demo}1> so who cares if u can edit it, lol 16:17 ais523: unless it's something like nht's unnethack setseed win 16:17 well plain editing of it is quite different 16:17 in 300-some turns, I think 16:17 do you know how hard it is to win unspoiled, even savescumming? :-D 16:17 moon-child: I think if you make it easier to edit the save file, there may well be some people who abuse it... but they won't _keep_ doing that. 16:17 <{Demo}1> u can also attach a debugger locallu 16:17 moon-child: it was on the server 16:17 when I was new to NetHack I tried to win in wizard mode 16:17 and couldn't 16:18 <{Demo}1> and just edit the state, and then use the game as your save editor 16:18 ofc it's easy when you know how 16:18 but savescumming, while being a huge advantage, isn't as big as you'd think 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2415 16:18 stenno: right, but he also posted the seed and repro instructions 16:18 <{Demo}1> yeah it is 16:18 and if they do keep doing that, who really cares? 16:18 <{Demo}1> sit on a throne and farm infinite wishes 16:18 <{Demo}1> get your asc kit and have fun 16:18 moon-child: oh, got your point, right 16:18 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 16:18 claiming local setseed records wouldn't bother me 16:19 because they should be easy to verify, after all 16:19 you're basically doing a TAS anyway, so you can verify it the same way you would a TAS 16:19 that was the point :P 16:19 people tend to cheat, even though they don't enjoy it. So if I make trivial cheating harder, fewer people will do it, and people will have a better time 16:20 not a fan of that attitude tbh 16:20 <{Demo}1> yeah i disagree with that as well 16:21 <{Demo}1> im all for letting ppl without self control suffer by their own hand 16:21 dept of defense just put out, all US military personnel, no domestic travel allowed for the next 30+ days 16:22 I cant leave the state unless its on military orders 16:22 awesome 16:22 {Demo}1: so why isn't every game of nethack wizmode? You can just choose not to wish for anything, and answer 'yes' when it asks you if you really want to die 16:22 <{Demo}1> did you have any plans k2? 16:22 K2: they didn't ban international travel? you can still go to canada 16:22 no but if my dad needs me for whatever reason, thats gonna be an issue 16:23 drive to montreal, fly to oklahoma 16:23 K2: where's your dad live? 16:23 oklahoma 16:23 <{Demo}1> moon-child, cause it's easier to not typo and fuck up, cause you have to type certain ext commands longer, and cause ppl respect that less 16:24 <{Demo}1> and also cause sometimes u forget you aren't in wiz mode and try to do a wiz thing in a normal game 16:24 <{Demo}1> and then ur like oh yah I'm playing a normal game 16:24 there are some things you can do in normal play but not wizard mode 16:24 in nethack-tas-tools, we added "lizard mode" for this reason 16:24 it's a mode you can enter from wizard mode, that removes all your special wizard powers 16:25 ais523: what can't you do in wizard mode? 16:25 I'm trying to remember, they were fairly obscure things 16:25 one example is that ^X shows more information in wizard mode 16:25 <{Demo}1> sometimes you might accidentally try to controlled tele on a level that blocks it 16:25 <{Demo}1> and that'd be sad 16:25 so you can't get at the information without it 16:25 some things in wizmode always succeed 16:25 oh yes, intentionally failing a teleport is another one 16:26 (which is /really/ important in the TAS, failed teleports are a necessity in some cases) 16:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:40579 16:28 200 tries! 16:28 (was it 200) 16:28 I think so, yes 16:28 <@Pacra> @K2 that's rough for armed services families 16:28 200 tries into enexto :D 16:28 <@Pacra> no domestic travel aaah 16:29 yeah it can be 16:29 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Wrath, on T:40587 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2868 16:29 i'm ok with it for now, just planning worst case scenario stuff 16:30 luckily I had to foresight to stock up on supplies over a week ago. going out this weekend, there are shortages of a LOT of goods 16:30 -!- tungtn has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30 -!- khoR has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30 there shouldn't be, really; people are just buying more at once than normal 16:30 and the supermarkets are the bottleneck trying to restock shelves 16:30 panic buying 16:30 in the UK we're better prepared for panic buying than most places 16:31 because everywhere built up huge stockpiles preparing for Brexit to be a disaster 16:31 ah 16:31 if any rules get put in place like italy where they closed all businesses except groceries, there'll be runs 16:31 so all the panic buying happened in the UK a few months ago :) 16:31 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 16:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by ChanServ 16:31 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 16:31 K2: not by consumers, by the government 16:31 blah 16:31 but those stockpiles are now being put to good use I think 16:31 hope so 16:31 yesterday at the grocery store, the dry rice and beans section was cleaned out, but oddly not the paper towels and toilet paper 16:32 (the medicine stockpile will be especially important because manufacturing for medicine has fallen as a consequence of covid-19 hitting China) 16:32 eat first, poop later 16:32 our costco was sold out only of toilet paper, everythign else was fine 16:32 also, people are buying more frozen food than they would otherwise during a natural disaster, since people aren't expecting the power to go out like in a hurricane or something 16:32 time to invest in a bidet 16:33 ^ that 16:33 fun for the whole family 16:33 doubles as a water fountain 16:34 https://i.redd.it/6k6emh7e176y.jpg 16:34 aosdict: we bought up some extra food to vacuseal and freeze 16:34 and some canned goods and other stuff that doesnt have to be in the fridge 16:35 K2: i thought you hunted some bambi ... :) 16:35 AND I have enough MRE's stockpiled to feed myself and my family for an entire month 16:35 K2: foot washer 16:35 <{Demo}1> oh hey we just got a case less than a mile from my work, nice 16:35 paxed: i've never hunted deer 16:35 elenmirie_ lol 16:36 I can recommend going down the pub and (whilst keeping your hands to yourself, for once) singing "Always look on the bright side of life" 16:36 It does cheer you up 16:37 ha 16:37 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 16:37 if i want to get past crowds I'll just start sneezing 16:37 bar all to myself 16:38 lol it reminds me of a work colleague (white guy) who spent time in Japan 16:38 at first he was offended that no one wanted to sit next to him, then he started enjoying the extra room on crowded trains 16:39 heh 16:40 Mind you, the old guy who sat next to me saying it was all made up by the media did get me down a little bit 16:40 carry around a tin foil hat for next time 16:41 geez 16:41 heh 16:41 just put it on and nod solemnly and say you agree 16:41 one doesn't quite know what to do in those situations... agree (as you say) or try to correct the crap 16:41 "and the government aliens are trying to chemtrail our crops, too" 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Mon Gia Fem Neu) destroyed post163's gnome zombie, the former Thaumaturge, on T:22422 16:42 the government is in league with Big Toiletpaper 16:42 the lizard people control everything anyway, so what does it matter? 16:42 we are all flies to them 16:42 they're locked in a shadow war with the government aliens 16:42 deepest state ones 16:43 <{Demo}1> i just start talking about ruby ridge and how the government can overstep sometimes and based on how overexcited they get by that u can tell if they believe in aliens 16:43 whoa, that only happens in the US, ruby ridge is not known by our nutbags here 16:43 * amateurhour googles wtf that is 16:44 hmm apparently nyc is closing schools. not that this really affects me but significant 16:44 I saw about it on PBS America 16:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:41015 16:45 I was asked if I was scared by this - I said, hell yes. I don't want to get the disease or anyone else to, but more than that I'm scared what it's doing to the economy of the world 16:46 <{Demo}1> I'm afraid it will cause the very precariously balanced state of the world to fall into a treacherous descent 16:46 fwiw, I'm self-isolating at the moment on government advice, after contracting something that might have been covid-19; I'm hoping that it was and that I recover without passing it on to anyone else, because then I might be immune to it 16:47 blessed be, ais523 16:47 I'm also hoping that the economic ramifications in the medium to long term will be positive; if everyone gets used to working from home, that means much less waste from travel, and if everyone gets used to good hygenie measures, that means less waste from disease too 16:47 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 +ais523: I have similar hopes 16:48 being stuck at home is annoying, although IRC makes up for it a bit 16:48 (that's why I've been online so often recently) 16:48 especially about the working from home thing 16:48 having done a really stupid and entirely unnecessary commute for some years, I really hope this changes 16:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4097 16:50 luckily, my day job can be done almost entirely over ssh as it is, and I've been doing that 4 days per week for over a year 16:50 it hasn't been too hard to make it 5 with the help of telephones for meetings 16:50 unfortunately, I do not have a computer with internet at home, so I have to make the short walk to work daily to do anything interesting 16:50 my current job (which is very much lower status that my previous ones) is being hit by the shutdown of conferences and universities 16:51 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:41047 16:51 although it is entirely from my home office, the amount of work is shrivelling 16:51 pots163: my home doesn't have an Internet connection either, I have to resort to "interesting" workarounds to get online 16:51 and don't have all that much bandwidth 16:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:41065 16:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54 Kind of interesting - I need a connection to receive work and turn it in, and to do research of varying intensity depending on what the work is 16:54 but technically, I could work offline a lot of the time 16:54 but still, if the connection is down, it feels wrong 16:55 was the story I read that boris johnson wants to develop herd immunity by ultimately having 60% of UK residents infected and recovered accurate? 16:55 I honestly don't know 16:55 <{Demo}1> man i wish gary johnson was sitll around 16:55 aosdict: it's a bit different from that, it's more that the government believes that that will inevitably happen eventually no matter what they do 16:55 <{Demo}1> he'd probably say something funny 16:55 that sounded more farfetched when I said it 16:55 and are trying to control the timing and reduce the number of deaths as much as possible beforehand 16:56 the UK leadership has chosen a path different from pretty much everyone else 16:56 I'm not sure what to think about this 16:57 their idea is that instituting very strong measures is unlikely to solve the crisis within 3 months or so, and after that time people are likely to start violating them 16:57 and therefore the timing of such measures needs to be precisely controlled 16:57 this is controversial 16:57 yes, I understand that 16:57 and that it is controversial 16:57 and I'm neither enough of an epidemiologist or a psychologist to have an informed opinion on this 16:57 I'm not sure whether I support it or not 16:57 *nor 16:58 yes, I'm with you on that 16:58 <{Demo}1> yeah no ppl arent gonna follow dumb rules for long 16:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:41091 16:58 hrm, if they percieve them as "dumb" yes 16:58 <{Demo}1> yeah, even if them following the rules lead to a net gain for everyone 16:59 <{Demo}1> but its kind of a game theory situation where everyone has to follow the rules or it doesn't work out too well 16:59 <{Demo}1> and we all know how that ends 16:59 that would last an even shorter time in america the "land of the free" 16:59 <{Demo}1> yeah 16:59 I sat in the pub listening to a guy tell me that they'd had it up to the eyeteeth with false alarms, SARS, Ebola, swine flu et cetera, and of course this was complete nonsense too 17:00 <{Demo}1> start telling him how they are using it to sterilize the masses 17:00 we got lucky with SARS, there was a reliable and very simple test to detect it before it became infectious 17:00 it's in coordination with the lizard people and chemtrails 17:00 so containing it was pretty easy 17:01 try explaining that to a mentally ill guy in a pub 17:01 <{Demo}1> yeah nah sounds no fun actually 17:01 <{Demo}1> or very fun, depending on how much you care i guess 17:01 (I know this guy and that he is mentally ill on account of being abused as a child) 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:26876 17:01 I've heard claims that it's all going to blow over exclusively because the stock market gained 9% on friday 17:01 like, what? 17:02 there's no point in trying to be logical 17:02 <{Demo}1> oh yeah what weird shit is the us government doing 17:02 <{Demo}1> i was gonna buy in in a few days 17:02 <{Demo}1> but now shits going up? wtf 17:02 the stock market is irrational at the best of times 17:02 it's down on the week 17:02 so I would expect it to be even more irrational righ tnow 17:02 every major market has the same shaped curve 17:02 ais523: it's the volatility being super high right now 17:03 a big drop last week and a dead cat bounce on Friday 17:03 with no disrespect to cats 17:03 <{Demo}1> it just seems like a fun time to play a little stock slots cause there's not much better to do 17:03 lol 17:04 we're friggin' in the riggin', 'cause there's fuck all else to do! 17:04 you could play NetHack! 17:04 elenmirie_: the bounce was due to trump having a press conference with a bunch of retail CEOs to say they're going to donate parking lot space for drive thru testing 17:04 well, that's reassuring, isn't it? :D 17:04 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:41118 17:07 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 17:07 drive. through. testing. 17:07 because, climate change is so five minutes ago? 17:07 drive thru testing is a fine idea in and of itself (putting aside emissions concerns), south korea used it well enough 17:08 assuming every mofo has a car... sure 17:08 don't underestimate how much americans use their cars 17:08 I don't 17:08 nor do about 45% of my neighbours 17:08 <{Demo}1> i don't wanna get tested unless i am very very sick 17:08 drive through testing... the mind boggles 17:10 sorry, you don't have a car, or you don't underestimate it? 17:11 no, I don't have a car and haven't for decades 17:12 I can't drive, and will probably never be able to drive 17:12 I can't drive either 17:12 pots163: is that why you keep falling off your pony? 17:12 I just feel too afraid to get behind the wheel 17:13 I don't think I'd have the concentration to look out for obstacles, pedestrians, etc. continuously 17:13 actually, pots153 is a culinary disaster and an uneconomical alcher 17:13 gosh... I feel less alone 17:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 3451492 points, T:41128, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Ardub/splicehack/dumplog/1583878614.splice.html 17:14 grats 17:14 congrats, Ardub! 17:14 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Gun Alc Mal Cha), 13191 points, T:5235, killed by a monster (nitrohack horror) 17:14 pots163 has not fallen off a pony; that's the realm of post163 and pots164. however, pots 163 has died trying to make a stone weapon with a chisel 17:14 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15 lol pots163 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:947 17:15 we've all hit ourselves in the temple with our own chisel at one point or another, don't worry about it 17:16 In runescape while dungeoneering, it is possible to kill yourself with a chisel while attempting a crafting task 17:17 I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere :D 17:18 i dont think i've ever seen Ardub on irc 17:19 nope 17:19 which is a shame, they are active everywhere else nethack related 17:19 yeah... nethackwiki, reddit, ? 17:19 yup 17:19 drag him or her into our world, now. 17:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:20 one of us, one of us 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2100 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2117 17:22 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 17:22 the dark side is cool these days... 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2198 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 336 points, T:2211, killed by a magic missile 17:24 thus endeth the adventures of MHL 17:24 :( 17:24 rippeth in peace 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:910 17:32 again 17:33 you didn't learn the perils of shopping the first time? 17:33 it all ends in magic missiles and tears 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2071 17:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined 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two coworkers who were going to go on a cruise in the next couple weeks... to italy... 18:07 LarienTelrunya: Do you get paid by the tour or the day? 18:07 naturally they're not now 18:07 Pinkbeast: by tour, and only if I actually do the tour 18:07 LarienTelrunya: what tours are these? 18:07 Bum. 18:08 aosdict: local trains in my general vicinity 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 2244 points, T:7354, killed by a soldier ant 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1977 18:15 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:16 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:50114 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1196 points, T:2657, killed by a wand 18:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:30 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v 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killed by a monster (filled energar) 19:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:355 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:50671 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:50678 19:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 19:22 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law), 8593 points, T:1175, absorbing too much energy and exploding 19:23 <@Pacra> rip zor 19:23 such is the incantifier's lot in life 19:24 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 19:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 19:25 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Xor Fem Cha), 1971 points, T:1561, killed by a monster (admirer linearly) 19:27 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:28 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:30 -!- Menchers is now known as menche_t 19:31 -!- menche_t is now known as Menchers 19:38 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 19:46 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 19:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Brd Hlf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:31021 19:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 24068 points, T:14546, killed by a xorn 20:00 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Vam Nbn Cha), 1402 points, T:1230, mowed down by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:45394 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:45395 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:45395 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:52349 20:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Brd Hlf Fem Neu), 235410 points, T:32491, killed by a dwarf queen 20:13 F 20:14 !lastgame Som 20:14 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1584040188.dnh.txt 20:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1261 points, T:1438, killed by a gnome 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:52542 20:15 Trying to sacrifice in the middle of combat with a tough zombie after you 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic harp", on T:52584 20:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:542 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:616 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:52593 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1516 20:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52633 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:52660 20:33 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Law), 1997 points, T:1969, killed by a black unicorn 20:34 aosdict: simple, right? 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] wickedfierce (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2324769 points, T:52673, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/wickedfierce/nethack/dumplog/1583877995.nh.html 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Kni Hum Mal Law), 822 points, T:2414, killed by a wand 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Geewoody (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 23 points, T:51, killed by a fox 20:38 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 20:40 -!- ruffni has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:251 20:50 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 1046 points, T:2182, sent to the grave by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1437 20:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 207 points, T:336, killed by a gnome, while praying 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1281 points, T:1626, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 20:57 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 21:08 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 217 points, T:346, sent to the next life by a gnome 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4531 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4543 21:11 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4857 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gnome lord corpse, on T:4911 21:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 21:23 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Alt Xor Fem Cha), 2824 points, T:2358, killed by a shotgun shell 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5877 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:5893 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:6083 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:13552 21:36 y'know what are really annoying? Any monster that summons horde. Especially since I've extincted c's and P's. They can still summon them. 21:46 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 3660 points, T:1597, eliminated by an orc-captain 21:51 summon horde ignore extinction, eh? 21:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 2989 points, T:2289, killed by a Grey-elf 22:04 titans, ki-rin, and archons are the guilty parties. 22:06 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Gul Mal Law), 1396 points, T:1397, done in by a kitten 22:07 it'd be nice if they only summoned non-extinct monsters to help get the total count down. 22:07 but summoned monsters don't count against the extinction count. Not sure if that's an oversight or purposeful. 22:09 Couldn't say 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "ring of teleport control", on T:48295 22:13 Specific wish, that 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 32793 points, T:16467, killed by a succubus 22:15 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 595 points, T:193, killed by a magic missile 22:23 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Cav Gno Nbn Neu), 1163 points, T:1930, defeated by a kitten 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 25 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49105 22:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 422 points, T:420, killed by a dwarf 22:28 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 161 points, T:113, slaughtered by a dwarf 22:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 22:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 22:35 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha), 224 points, T:654, dispatched by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:49578 22:46 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Arc Ang Mal Law), 1937 points, T:2594, done in by a wolf, while praying 22:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 71 points, T:218, killed by a newt 22:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 987 points, T:1587, killed by the Oracle 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:10240 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 10150 points, T:11989, killed by a leocrotta 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1397 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2581 23:31 [hdf-us] [spl] SuzuneTakada (Con Vam Nbn Cha) polymorphed their first object, on T:4178 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2804 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2979 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3042 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3154 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 22 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:53261 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 7574 points, T:5503, killed by a lizard 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:53866