00:01 <@Pacra> killed on the move down gnomish mine stairs 00:02 !lastgame Pacra 00:02 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Pacra/evilhack/dumplog/1583812250.evil.html 00:03 Did you lure it to the stairs and forget, or did you not spot it hot on your trail 00:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:16 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 00:20 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:25 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 00:27 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:27 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12731 00:34 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) had Sunspot bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:13383 00:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31117 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:27326 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:28668 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:44154 01:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 23699 points, T:8491, cut down by a pyrolisk, while sleeping 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 81 points, T:267, killed by a contaminated potion 01:26 <@KR Cartographer> Is K2 active at this time of day? 01:26 <@riker> hopefully not, it's 1 am for him or something 01:26 hi 01:26 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 01:26 <@riker> k2 no 01:26 yes 01:26 <@KR Cartographer> Hi! 01:26 Hello @KR Cartographer, Welcome to #hardfought 01:26 o/ 01:26 sleep is a crutch 01:27 <@riker> for what exactly :p 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Kni Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3783 01:28 <@KR Cartographer> Well, I just heard yesterday that apparently Bitcoin is crashing alongside the stock market, and I was wondering what happened with your mining. 01:29 Hi K2 01:29 oh i stopped mining years ago. i got out when it was becoming apparent that it would no longer be profitable 01:29 hiya Umbire 01:29 <@riker> what, isn't hardfought run on the cheapest russian server farm possible? :p 01:29 I have some bitcoin saved 01:29 @riker ssssshhhh nyet! 01:30 even with the price drop if i were to cash in today i'd have something like a 3000% profit margin 01:30 i was mining when bitcoin was less than $1000 01:30 <@KR Cartographer> Ah, that's good. 01:31 <@riker> it's like 8k now I think 01:31 i'm waiting for bitcoin to hit 100k USD 01:31 <@riker> there's mini-k2's college tuition 01:31 another halving is due in a couple months 01:31 heh 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 1161 points, T:4757, killed by a dwarf lord 01:32 <@KR Cartographer> And you think it can still get to 100k? How? 01:33 everytime a halving happens, the price shoots up 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] JazzCat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:81205 01:33 because when that happens, it automatically takes the same amount of work to produce half the amount of coin as before 01:33 <@KR Cartographer> Ah. 01:34 work that does absolutely NOTHING but thats a discussion for another day 01:35 <@KR Cartographer> So, you can get to 100k by simply waiting for 4 halvings to happen, irrespective of the outside supply-demand? 01:36 no thats no guarantee at all 01:36 i have about 0.7 bitcoin left over plus a few other alt coins 01:36 at one point it reached 20k USB per coin 01:36 USD 01:37 that was after the last halving 01:37 <@KR Cartographer> OK. 01:37 i'm betting that if I wait long enough the price will get to a point where i'll want to cash out 01:37 of course the opposite could happen 01:38 but if so, it's not like I lost a huge investment or anything 01:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:38 <@KR Cartographer> Well, I guess you can afford to do whatever with it. 01:39 i got lucky when i was mining, at that time it was actually profitable with ahome setup 01:39 <@KR Cartographer> I mean, you are in way better position than the people who played with Tesla's stock' for instance 01:40 i dont do the stock market. i have some retirements funds wrapped up in a diversified portfolio but its managed by someone other than me 01:41 <@KR Cartographer> Tesla in particular is infamous in that it fluctuates so much, I am guessing anyone who spent any length of time with it got screwed at least once, regardless of whether they were longing or shorting. 01:42 <@KR Cartographer> Like, the luckiest people are obviously those who bought in at the start, and cashed out when it hit 900 or so. 01:43 <@KR Cartographer> 2nd-luckiest are those who bought in when it fell to 200 in the middle of last year and sold during the recent peak. 01:44 i want one of those tesla pickup trucks 01:44 but i dont make that kind of $$$ 01:45 <@KR Cartographer> Honestly, the way things are going in this economy, they may not last long enough to roll one out. 01:47 <@KR Cartographer> I am more cautious about such predictions than last year, when I was heavy on the TSLAQ talk, but their stock is currently collapsing faster than average because the outbreak is worse for them than average. 01:47 dont sell 01:48 the covid-19 outbreak will eventually blow over 01:48 make take a year or so but eventually the markets will recover 01:48 *may 01:49 <@KR Cartographer> True, but Tesla's investment in the German Gigafactory is stranded for a while, because that's basically the German epicenter 01:49 overall the DOW is getting hammered but some company's stocks are performing well *because* of whats happening 01:49 yeah we'll see how tesla does 01:50 i heard overall air pollution in china is down 25% because of covid-19 01:50 <@KR Cartographer> Given the strength of PRC quarantines, their Chinese factory actually may fare alright though. 01:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hob Fem Cha), 1211 points, T:2042, killed by a baby owlbear, while fainted from lack of food 01:50 maybe this is mother natures warm up to the real deal 01:50 <@KR Cartographer> * Alright relative to the other two, I mean. 01:50 stephen king's 'It' 01:51 ok i gotta sleep. @riker why did you let me stay up so late 01:52 <@KR Cartographer> Well, there are some doomer communities who are claiming that the China's pollution decreases are bad, because some pollution results in temporary cooling, and taking it away will soon spike the temperatures. 01:52 <@KR Cartographer> I don't think any real scientists are taking them seriously, though. 01:52 "sleep is a crutch" 01:52 <@riker> sorry k2, next time I'll make sure to help you remember :) 01:52 --K2, 3/10/20, 1:26:58 AM 01:53 ^ fact 01:53 also lol doomers 01:53 <@KR Cartographer> Apparently, the effect is like 0.03 degree so far. 01:53 ok gnite folks 01:53 <@KR Cartographer> Good night! 01:54 <@riker> night k2! 02:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3873 02:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35 <@Suzune Takada> wow 02:35 <@Suzune Takada> identify spell is fantastic 02:36 <@Pacra> oh my god 02:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 8874 points, T:5640, killed by a death ray 02:36 <@Pacra> another GWTWOD 02:36 <@riker> how many goddamn gnomes are you finding 02:37 <@riker> you keep getting wand deaths 02:37 !lastgame Pacra 02:37 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Pacra/evilhack/dumplog/1583819519.evil.html 02:37 <@riker> oh wow it's actually a gnome too 02:37 gnome lord 02:37 closeenough.jpg 02:37 <@Pacra> that's 3 tonight 02:37 <@riker> that's a gnome 02:38 the bones even warned of it 02:38 <@riker> pacra: I'm so sorry this is happening to you 02:38 albeit in the most indirect way 02:41 still, what a fucking run of luck 02:49 <@John VI> For every stroke of luck, there's someone getting gnomes with wands 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Orc Mal Cha), 677 points, T:1927, killed by a rabid dog 02:55 evil patch idea: wand of rabies to turn dogs into tougher monsters 02:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 593 points, T:1523, killed by a dwarf 02:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Mal Cha), 52 points, T:72, killed by a goblin 03:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Con Hum Mal Cha), 109 points, T:358, killed by a jackal 03:01 <@Pacra> rip 03:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:55074 03:23 <@Suzune Takada> yay 03:24 Pogress 03:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6939 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed kincle's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:7277 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed kincle's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:7288 03:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:55324 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:55939 03:53 that's the first time I've seen anyone wish for a wand of polymorph 03:56 <@Suzune Takada> because no polymorph wand until the castle 04:05 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:06 Again, depends on if polypiling is really needed 04:06 Which, iunno how your kit lines up so 04:06 * Umbire shrugs 04:15 I've done it before 04:15 It's not a bad wish if there are multiple things you need. 04:15 Mhm 04:18 aosdict: don't write a dungeon overhaul proposal. instead just overhaul the dungeon. existing code is worth a thousand blog post from which nothing comes 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:56777 04:37 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10012 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:10093 05:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "+3 blessed fixed greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:10685 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:57577 05:04 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:37 <@Suzune Takada> my first expirence of gehennom 05:40 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:40 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:45 @Suzune Takada enjoy i guess? 05:45 its not a pleasant experience 06:01 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 06:15 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:17 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16318 06:33 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:40 K2: [backscroll] it's mother nature warming up to the real deal... of an evil clown that lives in the sewers? 06:42 wot 06:42 oh wait this is not a programming related channel 06:45 bhaak: I had no plans to write a dungeon overhaul proposal :-) but since a lot of the existing code I've submitted has gone unacknowledged it seems like that's not a great strategy either :-( 06:51 aosdict: that's why you need to do sometimes something outrageous that will get somebody's attention 06:52 aosdict: like when I "accidentally forgot" to reseed the levels after adding the RNG seed feature which allowed nht to have a 363 turn ascension in 16 seconds. :-) PR is important 06:52 aosdict, just use your gehennom level generator from xnethack, its perfect 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40543 06:52 ceterum censeo, cut Sokoban to 3 levels 06:52 bhaak: I understand now, I'll submit a pull request changing all the monster levels and colors 06:52 s/levels/letters/ 06:52 bhaak, can we get unnethack sokoban in vanilla 06:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40544 06:53 we already have level flipping 06:53 so that would be the next natural step 06:54 open a github issue for dropping the luck penalties? 06:54 apart from this one please https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_4e 06:54 not that one 06:54 its terrible 06:54 bhaak, stennowork: the big changes in xnethack have not received as widespread popular support as the little enhancements. so that is why my consolidation pull request is made up of the little enhancements 06:55 and the *important* interface enhancements have their own pull requests 06:55 stennowork: what's terrible about that one? 06:55 bhaak, its super difficult 06:55 you have to plan like 15 steps ahead or so 06:55 i think its the most difficult of all of them 06:55 also sorry stennowork the gehennom level gen is temporary and I'd hate for a temporary stopgap fix to go into vanilla 06:56 oh :/ 06:57 I'm pleased with its popularity but I want to get rid of mazes entirely 06:57 that's one of the biggest criticisms of nethack from people who don't play it as their main game 06:59 <@Suzune Takada> genocided two random monsters from class L? 06:59 you can keep it mazy without actual mazes. 06:59 <@Suzune Takada> I know if genocide scroll is blessed, wipe entire class of that character, and if it's uncursed, only wipe one kind of monsters 07:00 <@Suzune Takada> (so dwarf player needs two uncursed genocide scroll because of mind flayers) 07:00 but I agree, I wouldn't keep the mazes either. the only maze I'm somewhat fond of is the one before the invocation level. 07:00 aosdict: you still have the wand of digging restricition in gehennom? is that a deliberate decision? 07:12 no, that is the result of not changing that bit 07:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to her by Mog, on T:40640 07:14 i meant 'the stand' not 'it' 07:14 @suzune takada its a change from evilhack 07:14 but the clown apocalypse would be kinda cool 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13061 07:17 -!- slengtorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17 aosdict: if you want to change it, it is commit 99d6a4fd4 in unnethack. I was somewhat surprised to find that and the code is a bit hidden. 07:37 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 07:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Noah (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1139 points, T:3497, killed by a dwarf lord 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:60014 07:56 <@Suzune Takada> yes 07:59 <@Suzune Takada> "my" ghost? 08:00 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 08:02 <@Suzune Takada> archeologists can expert divination spells? 08:02 i think so, yes 08:02 <@Suzune Takada> I didn't know 08:03 arcs are super OP in the lategame 08:03 dual-wielding grays + silver saber 08:03 and divination is arguably the most powerful spell class in the mid-to-late 08:05 <@Suzune Takada> another upstair 08:06 <@Suzune Takada> it must be vlad's tower 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:327 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) bribed Geryon with 200 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:61407 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) bribed Dispater with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:61632 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:61794 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:61818 08:32 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict|work] by ChanServ 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:62548 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:62550 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> es 08:35 <@Suzune Takada> yes 08:36 <@Suzune Takada> is it the change of 3.7? gehennom isn't just maze 08:44 do you mean it's wide mazes 08:44 that was a 3.6 thing 08:45 <{Demo}> does anything but slashed have iron bar mazes? 08:45 <{Demo}> slashem 08:45 that sounds terrible 08:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Noah (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3082 points, T:4938, killed by a shattered potion, while sleeping 08:45 why does it sound terrible 08:46 {Demo} I think that the bigroom variant with the random maze in the middle can have iron bar walls 08:47 <{Demo}> shout out to the fixed unnethack bigroom level that could have fountains instead of stone and walls or something ridiculous 08:47 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:47 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 08:47 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:47 stennowork: I guess just because they can't be dug? 08:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:63396 08:47 <@Suzune Takada> yes 08:47 but in compensation, you can see through them 08:47 <{Demo}> also shoutout to how little that mattered cause fountain wishes are nerfed through the ground 08:49 {Demo}: yes but the player who reported it was nevertheless angry. "what? am I supposed to grind myself through 1000 fountains?" 08:49 it was hilarious :-D 08:49 <{Demo}> maybe for you 08:49 <{Demo}> that game got abandoned 08:50 <{Demo}> grinded through a lot of them but I was a vamp and food was an issue so I think I starved 08:50 ah, it was you 08:50 <{Demo}> or nearly did but abandoned before that 08:50 well, it was a one character typo 08:51 <{Demo}> it was objectively hilarious 08:51 <{Demo}> wish it had been any other variant though (dyna withheld) 08:51 chances are you were the first to have encountered it. with the different kind of dungeon features and the number of big rooms there are 08:53 <{Demo}> I doubt it. I hardly noticed it 08:53 <{Demo}> most ppl would just see blue curly and assume it is water 08:53 <{Demo}> I don't even know which is which 08:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:54 <{Demo}> ah, about a 2.4% chance 08:55 depending on what foographics you are using, they are more distinct 08:55 <{Demo}> I like it when variants make the light blue 08:56 aren't fountains light blue in vanilla 08:56 <{Demo}> like vanilla, or fh 08:56 does unnethack make them regular blue? 08:56 <{Demo}> 3.6 is light blue 08:57 <{Demo}> imo, it is like making shocking spheres light blue 09:04 aosdict|work: it's unchanged from 3.4.3 09:07 <@Suzune Takada> nazgul... from lotr? 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:397, killed by a system shock 09:10 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:11 morning 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:65239 09:15 hey 09:15 Hello aosdict|work, Welcome to #hardfought 09:20 @Suzune Takada yes 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:66872 09:21 aosdict|work, vision 09:22 aosdict|work, mosters can see you and hit you with ranged attacks 09:25 <@Suzune Takada> it seems a bug 09:25 <@Suzune Takada> the secret door of wizard tower is in the strange area 09:25 <@Suzune Takada> can't enter 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 167 points, T:384, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:27 level flipping 09:28 <@Suzune Takada> I think it's bug of flipped level 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:991 09:29 <@Suzune Takada> secret door is in the center of the wall 09:31 not reachable because of undiggable walls 09:31 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:34 I'm surprised how fast those bugs are found. IIRC it took longer to find the same bugs in unnethack. 09:36 vanilla still gets a lot of play 09:36 well not "still". it gets probably the most plau 09:36 play 09:37 <@Suzune Takada> anyway, is my game can't be finished? 09:37 <@Suzune Takada> anyway, can I finish my game? 09:39 first, take a screenshot or something to document the bug 09:39 you can wake the wizard from outside the tower 09:39 but that first, yes 09:39 then you might be able to wake the wizard by playing a drum of earthquake or quaffing a cursed potion of invisibility 09:39 Report bugs, then exploit :) 09:39 not sure if potion of invis still works, i thought that was a bug in 3.6.0 which was fixed 09:40 potion of invis probably still works from inside the tower. as does the aggravate spell probably 09:42 <@Suzune Takada> where to upload screenshot 09:42 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/686931896164286497/bug_370.png 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1462 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3926 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:13703 09:43 that works 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a drum of earthquake", on T:67264 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67270 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:67271 09:45 nice 09:45 <@Suzune Takada> anyway, that's it 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2223 points, T:4266, killed by a watch captain 09:46 erm, wait, are just next to the door? 09:47 close it and kick it open? 09:47 or is the door embedded in a wall (I don't think that's possible) 09:47 too late 09:47 but that would've worked 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:1788 09:48 there is a bug in the bug list on nethack.org 09:49 http://nethack.org/v366/bugs.html 09:49 see the last two entries 09:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 10169 points, T:3736, killed by an elf mummy 09:51 where do i report that 09:51 i guess just hte normal contact form 09:52 ah w/e, its not that important 09:52 can't find the agg. monster bug tho 09:55 and i don't want to guess which wording was used to describe the bug 09:55 <@Suzune Takada> whoa 09:56 <@Suzune Takada> a soldier with death wand 09:56 I’ve used github issues and the normal report form to report bugs in the past. Both have gotten pretty prompt responsese. 09:57 <{Demo}> one time I sent an email and they cared 09:57 <{Demo}> or wait it was the form 09:57 <@Suzune Takada> reached deepest level 09:57 <@Suzune Takada> finding vibrating square 10:00 <@Suzune Takada> yes 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:68218 10:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:08 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:15198 10:09 i always got responses when i submitted bugs via the contact form 10:11 for a while, FIQ wasn't getting responses, and that was part of the reason he made that User:FIQ/DevTeam page on the wiki 10:12 the other reason is because after you close the page showing what you sent in the form, there's no way to recover that text 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:42590 10:12 unless you're on the devteam mailing list 10:14 bouquet: You may want to put on the ring of memory. It will protect you from forgetting spells over time. 10:14 eat more fish 10:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3113 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Rog Inc Mal Cha) was given Water Flowers, on T:8845 10:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:19 What are Water Flowers? 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 912 points, T:3244, killed by a bolt of fire 10:19 <@riker> arti water walking boots 10:19 <@riker> silvered (silver dmg on kicks), invoke to teleport with no hunger? 10:19 YASI: implement the Sandals of Jesus as an artifact 10:19 <@riker> displacement as well I think 10:20 (because they, or purported fragments of them,are a real-life artifact) 10:20 @riker oooh, nice 10:20 haha wow all these level-flipping bugs are the same (or similar) as the ones that existed for years in grunthack. Sometimes Rodney's door would open to the outside of the tower (which more often than not was buried in solid rock) 10:20 <@riker> not worth a wish, but vlads has them 1/20 & they're an ok gift 10:20 <@riker> never worth it late-game though (flying is much more important) 10:22 Tangles yeah 10:22 Tangles: and were fixed in unnethack 10:22 too bad there isnt a devteam member that used to work on unnethack... 10:22 i wonder if we can find one 10:22 :P 10:24 bhaak you assisting with any of the level flipping code in vanilla? 10:24 I didn't now that it was supposed to get in until I saw the commit. 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:69019 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:69021 10:24 <@Suzune Takada> Yeah 10:25 @Suzune Takada Nice! 10:25 * K2 activates the level flipping response team (of excellence) 10:25 K2: you apparently also can't count to two :-p 10:25 1+1=1 10:26 you mean lorimer? 10:26 no, paxed 10:26 oh... THAT paxed 10:26 :) 10:27 i bet you two would make a good team 10:28 a good team, for development. 10:28 maybe even... a dev team? 10:28 aosdict|work gets it 10:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Rog Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:8901 10:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Rog Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:8912 10:32 is there no project management at the devteam? 10:33 sounds a bit like everyone is doing their own stuff and just committing to the repo when they feel like 10:33 i dont think there's any one person in charge so to speak (could be wrong) 10:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Rog Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:8926 10:33 stennowork: that's exactly uit 10:33 it 10:33 damn 10:33 there's pros and cons for that model 10:34 feels like I've been saying for years, they need to put some effort into some central organization 10:34 K2, mostly cons 10:34 actually what is the pro of that model 10:34 no one micromanaging your shit 10:34 no deadlines 10:35 work at your own pace 10:35 you can still work at your own pace and communicate with others 10:35 especially since they're trying to maintain some semblance of cathedral-style development (putting 3.7 on github was a big step away from that, but any planning is still kept private) 10:35 and coordinate work in a team 10:35 yeah K2 central organization != deadlines 10:35 aosdict|work, yeah, well i heard from someone that that was the reason that the source code was leaked by ... 10:35 before the bitch session starts, bear in mind that comms between the devteam and players is a lot better now than it was a few years ago 10:36 i know, i know 10:36 i say that a lot 10:36 lots of improvements 10:36 bhaak: idea I had on the way to work this morning, what about creating a public facing devteam mailing list? 10:36 i see patr answering strategy questions on reddit 10:36 i think i called it "the best timeline" 10:37 you can still keep the internal mailing list the way it is, but this would allow for the devteam members who seem uncomfortable with anything besides email to engage with people, and would allow such interactions to be not just one-on-one person to devteam communications 10:37 <{Demo}> I just realized I don't think I could ever be content with the DT, like they could personally cut my hair and I'd still want more from them 10:37 human nature 10:38 I think cases for privately discussing something with the devteam are few and far between 10:38 we should definetely acknowledge the improvement around the devteams 10:38 -s 10:38 want your cake and eat it too. give an inch / take a mile 10:38 etc etc 10:38 give me a mile of cake 10:38 nomnomnom 10:38 and I'll eat it, too 10:39 i never pictured you as the junk food/sweets type aosdict|work 10:39 idk why you thought that 10:39 i dunno... Appalachian Trail hiking 10:40 you cant be a fat body and do that 10:40 do you know how much junk food a hiker metabolism consumes 10:40 If you do that you won't be a fat body 10:40 sure *as you're hiking* 10:40 I used to commute 110 miles a week by bike; I watched what I ate only in the sense of "otherwise it might get away" 10:40 you gotta be in good shape from the get-go 10:41 i walked in the hong kong mountains and it was just fine 10:41 maybe i have some intrinsic fitness 10:41 i know what i'm talking about on this subject unfortunately. I've sacrificed many a toenail 10:41 victoria peak 10:41 I have a problem with free junk food. in the grocery store it's easy to resist buying because I'm spending money on a health negative so that's a lose-lose 10:41 * Pinkbeast not-snarkily doesn't get the fitness-toenail connection 10:41 stennowork was it a regular hike or were you humping all your gear with you? 10:42 no gear 10:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Bat Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1062 10:42 i think the last time i was hiking with gear was a few years ago 10:42 like, 10 years ago in saxony 10:42 K2: also my concept of "all my gear" is in a different weight category from what you're used to :) 10:42 Pinkbeast: all the really long/hard marches i've done in the army, always wind up having a toenail fall off 10:42 for easter, we will hike a nice mountain tour in switzerland 10:42 aosdict|work :) 10:43 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:43 <{Demo}> how to get good at backpacking: get really fat and get really good at hiking, then spontaneously lose the weight and replace it with gear 10:43 but we wont need at a lot of stuff 10:43 bigods, I knew there was a reason I never walk further than my bicycle 10:43 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 10:43 I’m a long distance runner. Losing toenails is unfortunately common in our culture. 10:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:43 i never heard of someone losing their toenail from hiking or running 10:43