00:13 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Bar Inf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9384 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:24100 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] hikingpete (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6189 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:25593 00:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Bar Inf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:10594 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] JazzCat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:33089 01:00 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:03 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:19 lol that inane level flipping sure is working great, huh? ;) 01:20 -!- ruffni has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Bar Inf Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:12636 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] JazzCat (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:40623 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1395 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Geewoody's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:1989 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:31 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 03:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Bar Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:16029 03:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Bar Inf Fem Cha) had Serpent's Tongue bestowed upon her by Set, on T:16102 04:04 -!- ruffni has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39 <@Suzune Takada> Whoa! Serpent's Tongue! It's one of the most powerful artifact in slem 04:46 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1608 05:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1844 05:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 372 points, T:3175, killed by a giant bat 05:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 89 points, T:369, killed by a bolt of fire 05:28 <@Suzune Takada> >kobold with wand< 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1368 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 33960 points, T:7108, killed by a gnome mummy 05:36 <@Suzune Takada> caution: don't play nethack with eurobeat music. it makes player a bit haste and nethack isn't initial d. 05:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1615 05:39 <@Suzune Takada> nani? gnomish drift? 05:40 ? 05:40 <@Suzune Takada> ah, just eurobeat/initial d meme 05:40 !who 05:40 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] SuzuneTakada [nh370] ZlojSerge [nh4] | [hdf-eu] microlance [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 05:41 yeah, I wanted to see if your level turned into an ocean 05:41 minetown ocean 05:45 <@Suzune Takada> oops. my previous ghost 05:48 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 28116 points, T:1177, quit 05:52 suzune takada, are you doing the protection racket? 05:52 xp 1 in the mines 05:52 <@Suzune Takada> yes but where is downstair 05:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:52 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3838 05:52 <@Suzune Takada> -_- 05:53 I think it's usually a healer who does thep rotection racket 05:53 <@Suzune Takada> orctown 05:53 because they have more starting money 05:53 looks like the orcs got to the town first 05:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1893 points, T:4044, killed by an orcish arrow 05:56 orctown is dangerous, the orc arrows hit hard 05:56 <@Suzune Takada> I think dwarven archeologist is good for protection racket 05:56 <@Suzune Takada> because they can steal vault/identify real gems 06:00 like any archaeologist 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1585 06:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1156 points, T:1945, killed by a large kobold 06:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:892 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 34393 points, T:2750, quit 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2078 06:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3368 06:36 <@Suzune Takada> -_- 06:36 <@Suzune Takada> that orctown again 06:37 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40 <@Suzune Takada> much money but I can't use properly because no priest 06:44 -!- ruffni has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:53 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5457 07:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 5589 points, T:5472, petrified by a chickatrice 07:05 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:05 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 07:05 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:12 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 07:30 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ hterm was upgraded recently, you may need to do a hard refresh of your browser's cache to get it to load properly 07:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 07:30 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 07:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 07:40 <@Dharma> Orktown is the worst 07:40 <@Dharma> Even the guaranteed gloves have you hunting orcs 07:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:00 !who 08:00 stenno: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] Tariru [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:04 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:23 K2, my game just crashed again 08:24 <@Suzune Takada> conical hat... useless for non-wizards 08:24 I thought I read there was a fix, but maybe it doesn't help for existing games? 08:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] jealkeja (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1480 points, T:9096, killed by a land mine 08:53 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 08:53 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest90532 08:53 -!- Guest90532 has quit [Killed (cherryh.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:53 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 08:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6782 points, T:807, quit 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10602 points, T:478, killed by a dwarf 09:28 -!- hdf-guest-4 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 -!- hdf-guest-51 has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:12819 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] dfkj (post163) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 24932 points, T:1111, killed by kicking a rock 09:47 <{Demo}> so apparently feathers in ndnh weigh 120 09:47 <{Demo}> so yeah, if you're trying to figure out if a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gold in ndnh, it does 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) stole 4358 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kabalebo's general store, on T:1063 09:55 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 781 points, T:1990, killed by a falling object 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:18560 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:5839 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 24032 points, T:1506, killed by a hobbit 10:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:44965 10:31 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:45569 10:37 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Menzoberranzan, on T:45731 10:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed Kostchtchie, on T:46104 10:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed Glasya, on T:46419 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1344 10:51 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed Daemon, on T:46667 10:51 <{Demo}> uh oh, asmo is guarding the real stairs 10:55 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46934 10:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:46975 11:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) killed the elder priestess of Moloch, on T:47152 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3345 11:11 <{Demo}> man, I am getting fucking railed by the roce 11:11 <{Demo}> force 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3945 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:4234 11:26 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 34392 points, T:3775, killed by a killer bee 11:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:49036 11:49 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 887498 points, T:53107, killed by a touch of death 11:50 <{Demo}> !tell AntiGulp how was an infernal killed by a touch of death? aren't demons immune to death magic? 11:50 Will do, {Demo}! 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 160 points, T:314, killed by a riding accident 11:55 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Death, on T:49306 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 6175 points, T:7928, killed by a winter wolf 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1923 12:01 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 692 points, T:2038, killed by a cave spider 12:03 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 177 points, T:360, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed The Alignment Thing's whispers, on T:49647 12:04 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Miska's whispers, on T:49671 12:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Nudziarth's whispers, on T:49695 12:05 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 12:05 Demo: Infernals have no death immunity. 12:05 AntiGulp: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-03-07 15:49 EDT: whaaaaat, why don't you like slex's bestiary? anything in particular that you dislike, or is it just a generic "there are too many monsters" complaint? :P 12:05 AntiGulp: Message from {Demo} at 2020-03-08 11:50 EDT: how was an infernal killed by a touch of death? aren't demons immune to death magic? 12:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Cosmos's whispers, on T:49708 12:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Sam Hum Mal Law), 20154 points, T:15959, petrified by a cockatrice 12:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law) destroyed Numina's whispers, on T:49866 12:08 <{Demo}> absolutely cheesed 12:08 <{Demo}> blew 4 blessed pots of gain energy on numina 12:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo6 (Acu Sal Fem Law), 7371659 points, T:49894, ascended, having saved Ilsensine and restoring the Illithid Empire https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo6/notdnethack/dumplog/1582736911.ndnh.txt 12:09 <{Demo}> why isn't the grammar on that fixed yet wtf 12:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:09 Hey, congratulations, Demo! 12:10 Ascending your own variant :) 12:10 <{Demo}> thanks. i think i've ascended an acu before but i can't remember 12:10 <{Demo}> definitely not an acu/sal before 12:11 <{Demo}> and definitely nothing on this release 12:12 !tell LarienTelrunya It’s not the amount of monsters, its the relative similarity of so many of them. While there are an enormous amount of monsters, many of them are so similar that it can be difficult to make a meaningful distinction between them. Further, the sheer number of monsters and the nonsensical names means that a huge amount of game time is spent using the pokedex, rather than playing the game, even though in 12:12 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, AntiGulp. 12:12 reality, most can be dealt with using the same strategies. 12:12 (I’m also offended by a lot of things in SLEX, but I’d rather not have that discussion) 12:13 I think it’s partially a difference in philosophies: Whenever I add a monster, I want it to fill a niche that other monsters don’t fill, or give it something unique and intersting to make it special. A lot of my work takes place outside monst.c. 12:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:16 <{Demo}> i have a great idea 12:16 <{Demo}> make zruties actually interesting 12:17 <{Demo}> maybe they can blow their head like a horn and rally up fellow monsters or something 12:17 <{Demo}> idk 12:23 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:24 AntiGulp: heh, I'd rather spend a bit of time pokedexing monsters than spending endless amounts of time managing a stash, which is something one needs to do in all variants other than slex :P 12:24 LarienTelrunya: Message from AntiGulp at 2020-03-08 12:12 EDT: It’s not the amount of monsters, its the relative similarity of so many of them. While there are an enormous amount of monsters, many of them are so similar that it can be difficult to make a meaningful distinction between them. Further, the sheer number of monsters and the nonsensical names means that a huge amount of game time is spent using the pokedex, rather than playing the game, even though in 12:25 I mean, I agree (even though I usually play without a stash) but I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive. 12:27 actually I also try to play without a stash, but... if I don't find a bag of holding, it's not really possible to not stash shit 12:27 <{Demo}> spamming monst.c is funny, but it is something you do to desecrated land 12:28 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:723 12:29 also slex does occasionally add all-new monsters, but of course there's a lot of "underground monkeys" (is that the correct term? I think they can also be called "palette shifts"?) 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 40674 points, T:3325, killed by a gnome lord 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1075 points, T:2626, killed by a falling object 12:37 I guess my take is that palette swaps are fine, but when there are so many things can get really confusing. 12:41 ooh what's in slex that means you don't have to cart around stashes? 12:42 <@riker> grab a large box and you're good 12:45 amateurhour: oh you're reading the reddit? well I just made the carry cap much higher and items lighter 12:47 that's a neat idea, it's such a pain until you get a bag of holding otherwise 12:52 and yet i still had a slex character start already overburdened by their inventory :P 12:52 (for some reason they had an iron ball - uncursed - and some statues) 12:52 yeah that can happen, in this case you'll probably have to drop some stuff first 12:54 -!- ais523- has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523-] by ChanServ 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 270 points, T:1115, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:31079 13:15 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:16 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:16 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1819 points, T:4295, zombified by an orc zombie 13:22 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Neu) destroyed Wolfechu's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3254 13:32 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23945 13:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:6365 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "the blessed Eyes of the Overworld", on T:6366 13:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] zor (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1916 points, T:1508, killed by a dagger 13:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) destroyed amateurhour's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:13762 14:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:03 Is it possible for a werewolf in human form to remove a bag from a bones pile he "caused"? 14:04 In what variant? 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:32680 14:04 Vanilla 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32685 14:05 why should that not be possible? 14:05 i don't understand the question 14:05 I just hunted down a werewolf and he died with a bag. Wondering if it is a deathdrop or possible BoH ;) 14:05 <@riker> if it's cursed holding standard rules apply, otherwise you're fine 14:05 ^ 14:05 <@riker> ah yeah the werewolf shouldn't pick up the bag in vanilla I think 14:05 Thx! 14:05 they do it nowadays 14:06 Ohhh 14:06 they pick it up and loot it 14:06 <@riker> oh, really? hm 14:06 (if its not cursed) 14:06 In 3.7, yes 14:06 very new change 14:06 <@riker> I thought they'd just loot 14:06 <@riker> not pick up the bag 14:06 It's entirely possible human werecreatures will pick up other items from the bones anyway 14:06 IIRC 14:06 wow, cool feature, thats why i was asking. Felt super weired since he also had potions in inv 14:06 sure, but not containers (normally) 14:06 <@riker> if he just dropped a bag with no other loot it's probably just a deathdrop 14:06 I thought they just loot it on the ground, and do it even if cursed but it doesn't destroy items or something 14:06 gonna go try find the commit 14:07 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/b12ea03d110dd3cd55104e623510d5da0809b5cd 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Neu) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +2 Dragonbane", on T:8944 14:08 if they can take items out of a cursed boh without risk of items disappearing, it's a glaring example of non-symmetry and we should notify FIQ :D 14:08 The bad is uncursed. Just tested 14:09 oh it definitely doesn't when cursed, I thought it did but pretended it wasn't cursed 14:09 *bag 14:09 they will not loot the bag if it is cursed 14:10 see mloot_container in muse.c, about line 1799 14:10 yeah 14:11 -!- j has joined #hardfought 14:11 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:11 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 14:11 -!- j is now known as Guest81717 14:11 sadly, its no BoH afterall :P 14:12 Umbire: lol who is that dyslexia weirdo on the wiki? that guy seems to have more than just a few screws loose? 14:13 self-proclaimed grammar police with a hilarious antiquated idea of how the english language functions 14:13 hilarously* 14:13 hilariously*** 14:13 Anyway. 14:13 <@riker> who? 14:13 something about genders 14:13 My question is does that code only work for BoH? 14:13 mh 14:14 <@riker> ah lysdexia 14:14 Like would they loot any other cursed container? 14:15 yes 14:15 Right, right 14:17 Speaking of wiki matters, when did [q]uiver get the change that let you ready all-but-one of a wielded stack of weapons? 14:17 I know it's a 3.6ism but which version specifically? 14:17 <@riker> wow, what is that person trying to do 14:18 <@riker> I found aosdict's talk page and ??? 14:19 <@riker> those words do not exist 14:22 just a sign of the English language's decay obviously /s 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible amateurhour's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14151 14:22 <@riker> yeah but like, "metaclassic" is not a word, try googling it 14:22 * Umbire points to the sarcasm tag 14:22 "idemsexual" rofl :P 14:22 <@riker> nah, I get it, but i'm still confused, where did that come from 14:23 fuck if I know 14:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25 Still would like an answer to that question btw 14:27 all words exist btw 14:28 (tho the proper calque is metawords) 14:28 but the discussion about gender is a philosophical one, not a scientific one, therefore those discussions are pretty tiring after a while 14:30 which is why this insistence on an """absolute correctness"'" that just seems bent on forcing obscure and highly uncommon terms into usage that themselves aren't even necessarily correct half the time 14:30 lol 14:30 shrug 14:30 idk about that 14:31 how to be simultaneously loud about the state of language but also wrong by several, almost comical degrees 14:31 couldn't be me 14:32 STILL looking for an answer on the rogue thing, by the by 14:33 a society should always allow any being to express the gender they feel like 14:34 if you don't have that freedom, those kind of discussions happen 14:34 (and its very tiring) 14:40 !tell mobileuser game is recovered, looks like the castle flip/stairs issue. do NOT climb back up to the castle level unless you can levitate, otherwise you risk drowning in the moat. FYI this wont happen again for future games 14:40 No worries, K2, I've got this! 14:40 +1 for mirrored sokoban lvls in 3.7 :D 14:40 hi all 14:41 <@riker> o/ 14:41 finally mirrored levels 14:41 it's a good thing 3.7 is still in technically beta, but I'm surprised there isn't mention of the dev team addressing this 14:41 good bye muscle memory 14:41 Umbire: i just caught up on that and coo, that was a bit special 14:41 another drill weekend done 14:41 (or there is and I'm likely not remember) 14:41 <@riker> how was it? 14:41 K2: didn't know you were in the drill scene 14:41 heh 14:42 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_music 14:42 stenno: agree wrt freedom of gender expression, I can't imagine actually being aggrieved by something that isn't my """problem""" anyway 14:42 my once a month military weekend 14:42 oh 14:42 Umbire: right 14:42 no point going out of my way to deny someone that 14:43 i see according to wikipedia drill is a 'mad style of trap music' 14:43 what is mad style supposed to mean 14:44 mad in the "angry" sense ig? 14:44 I get what drill music is but that particular sentence baffles me 14:44 oh maybe 14:45 <@riker> the wiki article was probably made by a fan 14:45 <@riker> and that seems like the kind of fanbase to use "mad" = "sick" = "cool" = "rad" 14:45 nethack 3.6.6 was just released 14:45 heh 14:45 <@riker> anything cool? 14:46 wot? 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] sflicht (Bar Gia Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a leather cloak of protection, on T:15829 14:47 another security fix? 14:47 Jebaited 14:47 more than that 14:47 after nerfed mirror sokos i really hop for *You may wish for (1) BoH OR (2) "oR* as reward :P 14:47 oh Jebaited indeed 14:47 @riker: makes sense, just read funny to me 14:47 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commits/NetHack-3.6 march 4th to present 14:47 don't find it on the repo or the nethack.org page 14:47 where is it actually relased? 14:47 <@riker> your brain is too stuck on weird english verbiage umbire :) 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:33339 14:48 wonder why that is :B 14:48 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/releases/tag/NetHack-3.6.6_Released 14:48 oh there was a glorkum bug 14:48 oh, that'll do it. 14:48 it addresses the glorkum thing! holy shit 14:48 avoid "'s glorkum pass harmlessly through the shade" for weaponless mon 14:48 oh RIGHT 14:48 i thought that was an evilhack thing 14:48 \o/ 14:48 That was totally a thing we were just putting up with 14:49 the evilhack thing was slightly different, wasn't it? 14:49 How 'bout that 14:49 it was being expressed in different ways but yeah 14:49 a lot of it was the glorkum passes harmlessly through the shade thing 14:49 since materials are a thing in evilhack it could apply to more than just sahdes 14:49 shades even 14:50 @riker: But yeah, it makes sense once I adjust, just tripped me up initially 14:50 updates today wooo 14:50 0 0 0 is the most common sort of glorkum, isn't it? 14:51 and was the division by 0 crash the thing that warranted the release? 14:51 yeah there were some numbers 14:51 representing boolean variables iirc? but don't remember what they stand for 14:53 is a Substance Warper worth engaging with in hopes it'll turn my armor into something good? Or are their attacks weighted towards bad outcomes? 14:54 <@riker> it's just warp_material 14:56 On paper it's down to what you're aiming for ig 14:56 and your chances of getting not-those-materials 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:38369 14:58 riker, thanks. I tested it. Seems to cycle through all the materials if you let them lick you like a puppy 14:59 And I assume it's non-damaging 14:59 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 14:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 14:59 Or rno 14:59 no* 15:00 Question: Could summon insects, in theory, produce an insect marked NOGEN? The wiki seems to indicate that it can, as it warns about migo queens getting summoned in SLASH’EM. 15:02 doesn't seem to damage. Would be a great way for monks with GoP to turn them silver. 15:02 :thinking: 15:03 Does it have a material-warping passive? 15:03 ah nethack.org updatd 15:03 so now we have officially relased 15:05 AntiGulp: is it possible to achieve a str of 19? 15:05 bouquet: Not that I know of, why? 15:05 well, just testing this substance warper encounter and throughout the cycling of my GoP through various materials, my str is 19 after I take them off 15:06 <@riker> hm, that doesn't sound right 15:06 https://i.imgur.com/pZtTt0x.png 15:06 most recent version 15:06 before I put them on I think it was 13. 15:07 bouquet: Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh 15:07 Interesting 15:07 wiztest it yourself. wizgenesis a substance warper while wearing GoP and see if you end up with 19 after taking them off 15:08 i remember a bug like that in vanilla 15:09 so you would wear helm of brilliance, over-enchant it, it evaporated but kept the int/wis buffs lol 15:09 but that was a 3.4.3 bug 15:09 ok, I might be wrong. 15:09 forgot the details 15:10 ah 'hobug' 15:10 In NetHack 3.4.3, using a cursed scroll of destroy armor on a cursed helm of brilliance or a cursed pair of gauntlets of dexterity reduced the enchantment of the piece of armor without altering the stats; after removing the piece of armor, stats would be permanently increased. 15:10 maybe thats related? 15:10 no, I think my test is bad. 15:11 I’m having trouble duplicating the bug 15:12 ya, something about my wizkit.txt was causing it. 15:12 sorry. I thought I found a good one there! 15:12 no idea how! 15:12 All good! That would have been a killer exploit. 15:13 I’m in bugfixing / enhancement mode, now that I’ve got 3.7 merged in my dev branch. 15:13 Well, that, and experimenting with new features. 15:15 AntiGulp: did you see that they released 3.6.6 just now? 15:15 Stenno: Yup, just saw! :D 15:16 Seems like some pretty standard safety fixes 15:16 good stuff 15:17 Hey Gulpy! 15:17 Wait I just talked to you 15:17 I'm zoning so hard 6_9 15:18 Watching LTTP rando streams 15:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 15:19 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 15:19 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest31532 15:19 -!- Guest31532 has quit [Killed (weber.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 15:19 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 15:20 Hi K2 thx for restoring! I have levitation, I will try the Valley stairs again now. 15:20 mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2020-03-08 14:40 EDT: game is recovered, looks like the castle flip/stairs issue. do NOT climb back up to the castle level unless you can levitate, otherwise you risk drowning in the moat. FYI this wont happen again for future games 15:20 this comment here probably warrants the 3.6.6 release: 'invalid status highlight color could be maliciously used to corrupt memory' 15:20 hi mobileuser o/ 15:21 K2, game crashed again 15:22 K2: yes they mention it on th page 15:22 http://nethack.org/security/CVE-2020-5214.html is th bug that warranted the release 15:22 mobileuser same error? 15:22 Perhaps old games are not playable anymore? 15:23 Yes same error 15:23 game is recovered 15:23 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 12515 points, T:12884, killed by a leocrotta 15:23 but hold off for a min 15:24 After restore everything looks fine (with lev) but ascending the chairs crashes it 15:24 i wonder if its that guy https://giganetworks.com/company/ 15:24 the security researcher reporting the bugs 15:24 I'll hold off! 15:27 the castle dlipping stairs bit is fixed for future games meaning it wont happen for future games, but I dont see anything addrssing existing games that already have the issue 15:28 save compatibility in the 3.7 branch isn't supported yet 15:28 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 15:29 I double checked the ttyrec, same <80,0> error 15:29 we want to be able to change things freely without having to worry about existing saves, caring about keeping existing saves working can slow down development significantly 15:29 actually, I think a commit that broke saving altogether wouldn't automatically be rejected for 3.7 as long as it was fixed before release 15:30 isn't 3.7 considered to be savebreaking anyway? 15:30 indeed 15:30 I understand the risks of playing a beta :-) 15:30 oh but a 3.7 commit can also break another 3.7 game 15:31 Should I give up on this game? 15:31 a trick I've used in this situation in the past 15:31 is to compile out the trickery code, then delete the offending level from the save file 15:31 so that it gets regenerated 15:32 double wand of wishing :D 15:32 mobileuser no 15:32 maybe a tool that deletes levels from save files without triggering a trickery would be useful for server admins, although I can easily imagine some devteam members getting concerned by the mere existence of something like that 15:32 just dont climb the stairs back up 15:32 save a scroll of cursed tele 15:33 feel free to resume play 15:33 what about on the asc run? 15:33 hrm 15:33 here intelligent monster, take this and run 15:33 Exactly, the asc run 15:34 oh 15:34 intelligent monsters can't change level with the amulet, IIRC 15:34 I have cursed teleport and branchport, no use for asc 15:34 cursed gain level 15:34 other than possibly Rodney 15:34 c!oGL seems like a promising option 15:34 that will still place you on the level 15:34 cursed gain level would use the same code? 15:34 -!- hdf-guest-51 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34 nope 15:34 mobileuser: not quite, it's a different arrival region 15:35 not sure if it's different enough to fix this particular issue though 15:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:28327 15:35 cursed gain level isnt affected by the amulet 15:35 code is the same but some of the data is different 15:35 Ah ok! I have saved some gain levels, I can do an experiment! 15:35 oh, I thought you meant c!oGLling yourself to the Castle 15:35 I had a look at the code earlier, and I think cursed gain level should exercise different code - this is my plan for the ascension run (if I get there) 15:35 I wil try it out before the asc run :-) 15:36 Bit of a shame to find out it doesn't work much later... 15:36 @mobileuser Let me know if it works! 15:36 I'd try myself, but have very few resources... 15:37 Will do, in 5 minutes :-) 15:37 !who 15:37 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] sflicht [evil] Bliss56 [nh370] recuerdo [nh370] bouquet [spl] arnibald [xnh] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [evil] mosen [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:38 heh, the two games I can patch right now and they are both being played :) 15:38 this will be a late night/early morning update 15:39 My other cunning plan, to go up with the amulet and a pet, involves dropping amulet in VotD, levTel up with pet, go back and pick up amulet, go up stairs, hope K2 can recover, resume with pet at castle. Or maybe I'm over thinking this! 15:39 hmm i wouldnt pin success on 'I hope the game can be recovered' 15:40 stash a cursed potion of gain level 15:40