00:07 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2094 points, T:3505, killed by a plains centaur 00:22 -!- bernksatl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1534 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3546 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3472 points, T:3551, killed by an owlbear 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:1611 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 308 points, T:992, killed by a magic missile 00:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 60 points, T:50, killed by a sewer rat 00:54 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 145 points, T:330, killed by a brown mold 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:51776 00:57 -!- bernkastele has joined #hardfought 00:57 <@Suzune Takada> yay 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4 points, T:68, killed by a goblin 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 97 points, T:145, killed by a bolt of cold 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 439043 points, T:52931, killed by a minotaur, while praying 01:08 <@Suzune Takada> oops 01:08 <@Suzune Takada> finally dead 01:14 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:619 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1856 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 944 points, T:2033, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 121 points, T:67, killed by a water demon, while praying 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:329 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:126 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:254 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1285 01:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed AlbertB's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:12890 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Superfly's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:13573 02:12 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 02:12 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest41646 02:12 -!- Guest41646 has quit [Killed (weber.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 02:12 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:14046 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:14275 02:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:14466 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1439 points, T:3068, killed by a white unicorn 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16797 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4771 02:46 superfly had quite a stash 03:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:139 03:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:610 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:42504 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:42505 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:42511 03:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed blinkleo's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:1670 03:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2200 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:2289 03:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:42929 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43276 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43283 04:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44733 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44739 05:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:44747 05:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:44747 05:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44851 05:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acuired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:44854 05:12 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:12 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:12 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:46687 05:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:46687 05:28 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:46923 05:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:47013 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:47018 05:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1323984 points, T:47047, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1582026618.nh.html 05:45 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:47 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 05:47 <@Clide Lown> grats erasey boi 05:48 Another ascension? 05:49 grats eraserhead 05:49 <@Clide Lown> lmao 05:49 <@Clide Lown> 596 arrows 05:50 I want deeyts 05:50 deets* 05:50 tellllllll 06:12 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:33 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 06:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:44 <@Clide Lown> scary 07:44 <@Clide Lown> is putty supposed to have my earphones do a little sound 07:54 <@Clide Lown> how easy to kill are water demons 07:55 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict|work] by ChanServ 07:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:888 07:58 Not particularly easy 07:59 You're usually better off not fountain quaffing/dipping until much later on anyway 07:59 <@Clide Lown> im scared of the beatdown i gave one of em 07:59 Not MUCH much later but depending on the class you want to be at least XL 7-8 I think? 07:59 Well what did you have? 08:00 <@Clide Lown> lvl 3 monk 08:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:1273 08:01 <@Clide Lown> i suppose the sleep spell i cast at it worked 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1700 08:05 <@Clide Lown> i hate yellow lights 08:05 <@Clide Lown> phew 08:12 <@Clide Lown> epic 08:12 <@Clide Lown> im locked because a blue jelly is in my way 08:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22 [hdf-us] [spl] bernkastl (Sam Hum Fem Law), 459 points, T:1088, overpowered by a kitten 08:22 ^ very humbling 08:22 <@Clide Lown> aaaaaa 08:22 <@Clide Lown> also lmao 08:23 <@Clide Lown> something behind my sokoban boulder 08:23 <@Clide Lown> that doesnt wanna budge 08:23 <@Clide Lown> great. 08:23 throw stuff at it, get some rocks or something 08:23 clearly not a miyamoto musashi 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed blinkleo's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2298 08:24 kittens are OP 08:24 <@Clide Lown> damn newt 08:25 <@Clide Lown> got through the boulder 08:25 <@Clide Lown> squeeze n punch 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2819 points, T:2984, killed by a wolf, while praying 08:27 <@Clide Lown> aaaaaa 08:28 <@Clide Lown> damn god who doesnt hear my prayers 08:30 Luck is a thing. 08:30 "Cheating" in Sokoban lowers your luck, and <0 Luck means prayers may fail 08:31 It's the tradeoff for making sure you don't get absolutely fucked if too much goes wrong solving the puzzles 08:35 You usually wanna put away luck items for that reason unless they're blessed 08:35 Since you want only the bad luck to time out 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Zombies", on T:3344 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:74578 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:74580 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4733 08:44 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6241 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu) wished for "very blessed thoroughly partly eaten historic locked +5 dragonhide boots of water walking named foot floats from neversink inc.", on T:46850 08:55 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 08:56 these boots were made for water walking 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 44 points, T:315, killed by a black pudding 09:00 <@Clide Lown> going petless, how much should i refrain from killing? 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 67 points, T:287, killed by a water demon, while sleeping 09:02 if one finds scrolls of amnesia silly, shouldn't they also find amulets of strangulation silly for the same reason? 09:03 i guess its more about the mechanic of amnesia than scrolls of amnesia specifically, hmm 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:2816 09:03 stennowork: this is apropos of what? 09:04 er can you use a different word than 'apropos', i don't understand 09:04 context? 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:75148 09:04 i just thought about the arguments against amnesia 09:04 <@Clide Lown> how much should i refrain from killing? should i try and leave my lvl at where generally? 09:04 <@Clide Lown> i do petless 09:04 oh, there is no context 09:04 yeah, just something that came to my mind 09:05 Clide: just don't linger needlessly on explored levels 09:05 stennowork: Yes, I generally sort mostly or entirely useless items into one category 09:05 yeah its in the same category 09:05 strangulation, amnesia, loadstone, etc 09:06 no upsides, simply a trap item designed to punish use testing 09:06 [hdf-us] [spl] bernkastl (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1012 points, T:2481, poisoned by a rotted bugbear corpse 09:06 (not that it's a bad thing to punish random use testing) 09:06 if the only usefulness of an item is 'polyfodder', then its probably not a good item 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 59 points, T:111, killed by a fox 09:07 * aosdict|work wonders if loadstones are more likely to polypile into luckstones, what with them being the only two magic GEM_CLASS objects 09:07 while i agree that blind use-testing should have its downsides (i think in crawl, use-testing is fine most of the time), i wonder how hard the punishment should be 09:07 maybe less than 'you forget a lot of important stuff' and 'you will die in 3-ish turns' 09:08 it's fine to have items that are generally bad in a use-testing situation, so long as they have at least some situational value otherwise. 09:08 yes 09:08 It has its hazards but they aren't inherently fatal 09:08 Double-edged effects are always more interesting. 09:08 <@Clide Lown> punishing use testing is p much what hsould be done anyways 09:08 for example scroll of genocide does it right imo 09:08 reading un-BUCed genocide, that is 09:08 <@Clide Lown> YASI: lodestones deal the same damage as an iron ball when wielded 09:08 Like all the suggestions about restful sleep making you sleep like it does now, but making your HP regenerate really fast while asleep 09:09 <@Clide Lown> thats actually not so bad 09:09 @Clide Lown it'd still be preferable to wield an iron ball 09:09 aosdict|work, i mean its kinda in the name :P 09:09 it's like 40% of the weight 09:09 <@Clide Lown> make it deal double the damage of an iron ball 09:09 <@Clide Lown> and use the bare hands skill 09:09 <@Clide Lown> monk lodestone ftw 09:10 <@Clide Lown> is aesculapius a worthwhile wish for a wiz? 09:10 I'd want to go realistic if I implemented that, and give them a massive to-hit penalty, because at that point you're basically swinging around a 50lb bag of concrete at your enemies 09:11 -!- hdf-guest-73 has joined #hardfought 09:11 <@Clide Lown> >using impreial 09:11 <@Clide Lown> imperial 09:12 nethack's conversion rate is aum to pound 09:12 500 aum = 50 lb 09:12 huh 09:12 oh nm 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1936 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:519 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:525 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1260 points, T:2185, killed by a hill orc 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) stole 1944 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kilgarvan's second-hand bookstore, on T:572 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law), 17670 points, T:9036, poisoned by a killer bee 09:18 <@Clide Lown> well 09:18 <@Clide Lown> this worked 09:18 <@Clide Lown> pretty nicely at that 09:19 YASI: yuckstone. You vomit at random intervals while carrying it. 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:5320 09:23 :I 09:23 <@Clide Lown> lmao 09:25 <@Clide Lown> YASI: muckstone. Turns a bit of floor around you into mud, wading through it takes extra turns 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:75440 09:25 <@Clide Lown> if you try to do anything to it, unless its blessed you receive a "the stone slips from your hand" message 09:25 <@Clide Lown> and it falls back on your bag 09:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:75443 09:26 <@Clide Lown> as it has the terrain changing aura you can heck up other kinds of terrain 09:26 <@Clide Lown> such as traps and whatnot 09:26 <@Clide Lown> the important things like portals, vib square and such are unnafected 09:29 LarienTelrunya take note 09:30 heh 09:39 [hdf-us] [slex] bernkastl (Elp Moo Fem Cha), 1414 points, T:1741, killed by a monster (Ms. Manlobbi, the shopkeeper) 09:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Clk Fem Law), 206 points, T:311, killed by a brown mold 09:43 Bernkastel, huh. 09:44 Didn't realize Umineko fans played 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5581 09:44 ooh 09:45 thats from the Higurashi maker 09:45 i even watched that but of course higurashi is much better 09:45 Easily. 09:45 Umineko among other things got too up its ass about trying to create a hard to solve mystery 09:46 _that_ scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-ZOBq09bg 09:46 kana - kana? 09:47 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:52 damn i was close to shiragawa when i was in japan last time 09:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:5632 10:00 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:47383 10:06 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 6987 points, T:6936, killed by a death ray 10:10 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: quit] 10:11 YANI: If a wood nymph is near a tree, or a water nymph is near a fountain, they won't wander very far away from it (specifically, the check would be like "don't consider any space further than X distance from a fountain to be valid".) 10:12 They won't even teleport when near a fountain, unless scared or carrying stolen loot. 10:13 YANI: Wood and water nymphs' teleportation have a bias towards areas near trees or water. 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1520 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 433 points, T:1843, killed by a fox 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:972 10:20 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 10:20 Anyone happen to have stats on Perseus's statue? 10:20 specifically the BUC of the levitation boots 10:21 Everything in the statue is cursed. 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:8625 10:23 really? I thought they had various multiples of 25% odds of being cursed 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12308 10:23 or is that their odds for appearing at all 10:23 <@bhaak> if he weren't unlucky, he wouldn't be stoned 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2082 10:28 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 620 points, T:1742, zombified by a dwarf zombie 10:31 Nah, the scimitar is blessed 10:31 I know that for a fact 10:31 aosdict: It's 25/50/75 for a given item to appear at all 10:31 <@Suzune Takada> scimitar is one of the most useless weapon in nh 10:31 The shield's cursed, the scimitar is blessed 10:32 (and it's also a decent option for early game, pls) 10:32 <@Suzune Takada> neither artifact exists, nor expert skill exists 10:32 And the boots idk 10:32 That just shows a lack of imagination 10:32 It's not endgame material, I'm not gonna gas that hard, but scimitars are plenty viable 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided lich, on T:25346 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2072 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:2072 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1141 points, T:3196, killed by a rabid rat 10:35 Lot of Nethack is about making do with what you get 10:36 <@Suzune Takada> zombified... interesting feature 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:8588 10:36 <@Suzune Takada> I'll try some variant after I ascend in vanilla nh 10:37 ^ that's a good plan 10:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:8650 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Mal Neu), 340 points, T:689, killed by a brown mold 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 6 points, T:53, killed by a cadaver 10:42 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 10:51 -!- joes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:9450 10:56 @Suzune Takada: Oh yeah, what happened with that Arc of yours? 10:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 10:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Rocket, her faithful little dog, on T:28307 11:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 98 points, T:372, killed by a falling rock 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:91 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5801 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:47969 11:13 aosdict|work: whatever changes you made since I last played xnh are good. It's much more challenging than it was in 0.3. 11:13 bouquet: Message from AntiGulp at 2020-02-16 12:50 EST: Thoughts on Demogorgon not generating on the ascension run in Splice? 11:14 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:16 AntiGulp: I thought there was a random chance of his appearance? I think Demogorgon is an awesome challenge, but the fact that he can instakill an exceptionally ascension worthy player in Splice is sort of a dead end. I'm not done thinking of how to "fix" the encounter. 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 49791 points, T:16880, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted vampire bat, while sleeping 11:20 bouquet: well I wasn't trying to make it much more challenging. Something specific like splitting up wishes, or just a general feel that it's harder? 11:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:48080 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:923 11:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:49598 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:973 11:26 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 11:29 <{Demo}> !pom 11:29 {Demo}: The moon is waning crescent; new moon in 1 day. 11:29 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu), 533946 points, T:49727, drowned in a moat by a giant eel 11:30 !lastgame hothraxxa 11:30 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/evilhack/dumplog/1581954705.evil.html 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 836 points, T:2337, killed by a rothe 11:30 Goddamn eels 11:30 wow something went badly wrong there 11:31 i got the wrapped msg, then never got another move 11:31 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:31 were you slowed 11:31 Huh that's strange 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:130 11:31 Is that the double move thing? 11:31 Never seen that 11:32 me neither 11:32 The giant eel swings itself around you! 11:32 You evade the giant eel's attack! 11:32 The giant eel drowns you... 11:33 that... is extremely wrong based on what i know about the drowning attack 11:33 even if it got the double move, the attack missed 11:34 The bite missed. 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 160 points, T:468, killed by a gnome zombie 11:35 Can't believe that eel hit you 3/4 times with -34AC 11:36 *glub* 11:39 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43 The hubris 11:45 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:12580 11:47 hothraxxa :/ 11:47 hubris? 11:47 that was exceptionally bad luck, nothing to do with overconfidence 11:48 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 11:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 11:48 bouquet: Oh, I meant thoughts on changing it so he does’t appear. He’s stupid challenging, to the point of stupidity. 11:49 I mean, the best ways to fight him are pretty much filth dragon armor or Gae Bulg at this point 11:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:5355 11:52 Plus once monster techs go live, I’m pretty sure he’ll be almost impossible to deal with. 11:53 you gave demogorgon techniques? 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:47591 11:53 I’m making demon lord dark speech a technique that all unique demons get (that way the player can steal it). I’m assuming I’ll give demogorgon berserk or something like that too. 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:6019 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3162 12:01 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed SuzuneTakada's ghost, the former Digger, on T:3504 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Mon Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:47680 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:7834 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1331 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:47727 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:332 12:15 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:8973 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 179 points, T:503, killed by a fox called Nick Wilde 12:20 Someone thinks they're funny 12:20 -!- hdf-guest-73 is now known as hopps 12:21 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 12:24 All: dgl just got a revamp thanks to Tangles. you'll notice some changes 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4904 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4904 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:5076 12:28 Thanks, Tangs 12:32 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:13711 12:33 Didn't see anything in the irclog -- looks like network console game launcher is missing its config files 12:34 Preventing me from dying in EvilHack 12:35 Ooh, nevermind, e apparently takes me there even with all the menus busted 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1110 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:14727 12:43 K2: ya broke it 12:44 i didnt break anything :) 12:44 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 12:45 krm26 menus arent busted as far as i can tell 12:47 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ dgamelaunch menu is revamped, select 'j' to edit configs 12:47 letter assignments are the same for every game except evilhack 12:47 [hdf-us] [spl] bernkastl (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 469 points, T:1214, cut down by a giant bat 12:47 which is now 'e' 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:13547 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2204 12:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Kni Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5174 12:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Kni Hum Mal Law), 8619 points, T:5321, killed by a winter wolf 12:55 -!- Cassiopeia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59 !tell FIQ fiqhack crash from a few days ago - https://termbin.com/n8uo 12:59 FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 12:59 When I connect to hterm I get: 12:59 ### dgamelaunch 1.6.0-hdf - network console game launcher 12:59 hrm 12:59 ok thats a piece of info that is relevant (using hterm) 12:59 Sorry, my bad! 13:00 :P 13:00 And after logging in, 13:00 ### NOTE: administrator has not installed a menus/dgl_menu_main_allgames.txt file 13:00 Perhaps I'm the only hterm user tho :-) 13:01 Looks like colors have changed! 13:01 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2595 points, T:3192, killed by an invisible Uruk-hai 13:01 it works... just ref wrong menu now 13:02 if you know the key combos you can still get around 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3837 13:04 BTW, is there any additional subtlety to the EvilHack sokoban prize? Do I just need to use object detection to figure out the door I want? 13:05 Yes 13:05 Obj det to determine item type 13:05 then roll the 50/50 on which one you get in that type 13:05 Oo new menu 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4034 13:06 Telling me I cannot access explore mode when I load up 13:06 Which, fair enough I suppose! 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an empty bag on an altar, on T:4142 13:10 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Ang Fem Law), 197 points, T:325, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:10 The forced disconnects scare the crap out of me each time 13:10 ah sorry 13:11 i am trying to fix the hterm issue 13:11 didnt realize anyone was still on hterm on hdf-us 13:11 It is fine :-) I'm predisposed to be scared whenever anything happens in EvilHack 13:11 That's the way it should be 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4344 13:13 "oh, a banded mail lying on the floor. RUN AWAY!" 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Mon Hum Mal Law), 647453 points, T:49185, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 13:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 doh 13:25 Yeah that would have been way cooler to discover in some game around T:400... laugh 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5408 13:33 GEL CUUUUUUBES! 13:33 my own fault... wasn't expecting trouble there and just kept punching right through the "turning blue" 13:33 message 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:6741 13:34 Oh that's the worst 13:34 I did that with an eel once 13:36 you can setup MSGTYPE=alert bits in your cfg to help you stop what you're doing and address the situation 13:37 probably a good idea! 13:39 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc <--- for some ideas 13:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4521 13:39 i think i need to fix the 'swings itself around you' one 13:39 YANI: If you have scrolls of remove curse available in your inventory when you are hit with a curse items effect, the scroll will sometimes intercept the curse a la Magicbane, but it will be destroyed in the process 13:40 nice, thx K2! 13:40 there was a reddit thread yesterday with a bunch of them too 13:41 I saw that one, VaderFLAG, will have to revisit 13:44 Somehow I found dragonhide lev boots to get me past first mine's level river before I found any digging tool 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7704 13:47 aosdict: actually a baller idea 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:15421 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:978 13:53 oh snap 13:53 Well well 13:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:55 except random wands of wishing in evilhack are always 1:x 13:55 i wonder if that was a 1:1 wand 13:56 My least favorite part about being chaotic is peaceful gremlins filling up a level 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Hea Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:982 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14760 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:14769 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:14771 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:14783 14:03 VaderFLAG: Just point a flashlight at them 14:03 4Head 14:04 Sadly the lighting shop only had candles 14:05 Are you actually typing out the text "4Head" knowing that that's what everyone else will read it as, or are you using some sort of custom client emoji that gets translated into 4Head when you send it? 14:05 4head 14:05 awww 14:06 Former 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10553 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13538 14:13 You eat the giant cockroach's brain! barf 14:13 hah 14:18 VaderFLAG: plenty of cultures eat cockroaches, you should be commended for trying new cuisine 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:14311 14:23 we (as a species) could virtually end world hunger if everyone were ok with eating bugs 14:25 Or just actually take measures to unfuck the current food industry as is and actually get to the roots of what causes impoverishment and hunger in certain countries to begin with. 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:30636 14:33 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 8859 points, T:7322, killed by a gray unicorn 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12884 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:31234 14:53 [hdf-us] [fh] Mayak (RasselK) (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the tourist of groovejumper, the former Sightseer, on T:2199 14:54 K2: who? 14:54 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2020-02-21 12:59 EST: fiqhack crash from a few days ago - https://termbin.com/n8uo 14:54 I wonder if their keymap config is corrupted 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8517 points, T:7700, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Mordor orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:00 [hdf-us] [slshm] bernkastl (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1596 points, T:1206, killed by something while blind 15:01 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 15:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:05 Hmmmm 15:07 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:07 It appears that evilhack is set to explore mode; started several games and always spawned with a wand of wishing 15:08 That explains why it told me I couldn't enter explore mode when I loaded my save 15:08 Today for ONE DAY ONLY evilhack no longer evil! 15:11 wow, K2's going soft 15:11 then again maybe I'm the one going soft. xnethack has 5 GUARANTEED wands of wishing 15:12 Wow that's a lot 15:12 5? 15:12 what are you? a socialist? 15:12 that's not going soft. that's being a puddle of water on the floor 15:13 I'm pretty sure xNet also completely reworked wishes entirely to balance that out :n 15:13 (those 5 wands grant only 6 wishes among them xnethack is not responsible for any wishing-related exuberance that may happen terms and conditions apply ask your doctor if wishing is right for you) 15:20 no, its not in explore mode as per sysconf 15:21 hi K2 15:21 who was the one with the crash 15:21 it sounds like it might have crashed when configuring keymaps 15:21 its in the link i sent you 15:21 I wonder if someone somehow ended up with a corrupted keymap file 15:21 ohh I see 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:982 15:23 rofl 15:24 hmm 15:24 Tangles must have used evilhack in explore mode testing his dgl changes 15:24 evilhack 0.4.2 cfg in dgl has -X 15:24 well, HAD 15:24 if I copy his config to mine 15:24 there's no crash 15:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2671 points, T:3324, killed by a large dog 15:25 it crashed during the keymap config menu 15:25 I don't know why 15:26 ok that explore mode bullshit with evilhack is fixed 15:26 anyone that got a WoW starting out, lucky you 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 lembas wafer", on T:1164 15:27 I think the x-mode flag would be saved along with the save file 15:27 you'll probably die soon anyways 15:27 so the game wouldn't score if you completed it 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 ring of polymorph control", on T:1168 15:27 ais523 right 15:27 also tried to run the keymap menu through valgrind 15:27 and I don't get any valgrind complaints 15:28 ais523: what causes a SIGABRT rather than a sigsegv? 15:28 https://termbin.com/n8uo 15:29 hmmmm 15:29 !who 15:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] vera [slshm] monistowl [slshm] krm26 [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] rahn [evil] RyanHill [nh370] post163 [nh370] playultm8 [nh370] RasselK [fh] | [hdf-eu] mightyquinn [evil] hilliance [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:30 K2: I assume what happened was that the guy tried to add a new keymapping, causing the game to crash when it was trying to display keymaps after the change 15:30 but that doesn't really make sense because it writes to the config file before displaying the keymap list again 15:30 which would mean that the problem would still be present 15:33 FIQ ok 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rahn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 733 points, T:2384, killed by a sharpened bamboo stick 15:38 ^ see 15:38 ok gotta go, back later 15:39 Womp womp woooooooomp. 15:40 SDSM and everything, too. 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15987 15:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 44624 points, T:12400, killed by reverting to unhealthy doppelganger form 15:43 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 15:43 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 15:43 ais523: what causes a SIGABRT rather than a sigsegv? ← assertion failure; if you didn't use assert() yourself (and if you're writing NetHack, you wouldn't because you'd use impossible()), the failed assert is probably inside malloc 15:43 and the most common cause of that is overwriting just past the end or before the start of a malloc-allocated block of memor 15:44 *memory 15:44 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1412 15:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 15:51 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52 latest vanilla commit: allow flipping levels horizontally or vertically 15:54 more Sokoban levels! 15:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55 -!- krm26 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59 you're probably going to get angry players complaining about how nethack was better in the 3.6.5 days when you could walk into Sokoban, close your eyes and let your muscle memory take it from there 16:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:00 well, you know how I solved that it unnethack 16:00 I should probably writed "solved" 16:02 I don't know what the stand of the other devteam members is on sokoban 16:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:12 payback's a bitch, bitch! 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:32863 16:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Sam Clk Mal Law), 55488 points, T:11178, killed by a sunflower 16:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 301 points, T:460, killed by a brown mold 16:19 merlek: Splatted by Tiamat last time? 16:20 Yupp, messed up and got completely smashed to pieces when she summoned nasties. 16:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Con Hlf Fem Cha), 110 points, T:199, killed by a goblin 16:25 Ooh. 16:25 Which nasties? 16:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law), 809 points, T:1013, killed by a small aklys 16:27 Can't remember, more than I could handle :) Served me right for playing too cocky and not taking her seriously. 16:29 And I was going for a non-caffeine conduct :P 16:32 wut 16:33 Ascending without a single drop of coffee :P 16:33 if I were to implement level flipping, I'd probably disable it for sokoban 16:34 to appease those who dislike the branch -- those who actually like Sokoban puzzles wont really like the fact that nothing has actually changed anyway 16:34 add a little player monster that solves Sokoban automatically and the player has to protect the NPC 16:36 Ew, escort missions 16:36 I don't know what the stand of the other devteam members is on sokoban ← I believe there are three different points of view from players on Sokoban, all of which contradict each other as to what the best solution is 16:36 Or a straight up bitcoin donation to bypass soko. 16:36 I'm in the odd situation of (in vanilla) being fine with solving Sokoban, but normally skipping it anyway as I don't think the rewards are worth the time spent 16:37 the wands are fairly useful, maybe that's a reason to solve a couple of levels 16:37 ^^ what he said! 16:37 Or just stop crying over flips making you use four brain cells for Soko instead of 3 16:37 FIQ: you could also at least change the luck penalities. I think that's what bother those people the most that don't like Sokoban. there is only one way to do it right and they don't like to do it this way 16:37 bhaak: I'd just remove them and replace it with a conduct 16:38 simple 16:38 ais523: I like your old proposal for an Arena branch instead, but 16:38 not sure I'm enthusiastic enough to implement it 16:38 I'm not sure I have the time/patience to implement anything atm 16:38 but in terms of gameplay ideas, I think new branches is close to the top of my list 16:39 ais523: lots of food, a ring, and a wand per level is not worth it? 16:39 the food becomes irrelevant long-term 16:39 <{Demo}> it looks like a canary died? 16:39 I'm not sure the rings are worth the trouble either, but the wands probably are 16:39 I probably don't want a *new* branch. One of the reasons I like the arena branch is because it replaces soko without tacking on a new branch somewhere else 16:39 the thing is, completing Sokoban doesn't get you any closer to the Castle wand, which is the point at which you actually win the game 16:39 ais523: but Sokoban is not long-term, it's early game 16:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:40 yes, but why do you feel the need to improve your early game when you could just solve the midgame? 16:40 improving earlygame reduces the chance of just dying in midgame 16:40 well, yes 16:40 ^ this 16:40 a possible source of reflection is useful 16:40 but how often do experienced players just die in the midgame? 16:40 and this ^ 16:40 <{Demo}> if u wanna fix early game, do what ndnh does 16:40 the answer is probably "not often enough" 16:40 -!- aosdict|work has quit [Quit: aosdict|work] 16:40 <{Demo}> and have varied early game branches 16:41 stop saying stuff I'm already writing 16:41 a BoH isn't strictly necessary, it makes things more convenient but doesn't really improve survival rates 16:41 <{Demo}> fixes all problems 100% yep yep yep silver bullet 16:41 reflection, however, does 16:41 not because it should be more lethal, but because they're playing too safely 16:41 players do minmax 16:41 I guess as a NetHack player (as opposed to a developer), my point of view is "playing safe is slow and boring, you can play a lot more dangerously and still have good win rates" 16:41 as a developer, I feel like min-maxing play should be supported, if not the only way to play 16:42 ais523: don't you mostly just play dwarven valkyries? 16:42 *but not the only way to play 16:42 FIQ: yes 16:42 I have ascended a wizard once though 16:42 then I went back to valk 16:42 they have among the easiest midgames overall 16:42 (and wizards have a terrible midgame) 16:42 hardest midgame is probably monk 16:42 actually no, it's probably priest 16:43 I'd put the ranged spammy classes as having the easiest midgames 16:43 rogue and ranger 16:43 monk is an interesting role 16:43 (wizard can't spam by that point) 16:43 they have probably the easiest earlygame across every role 16:43 monk is the only class that has a hard lategame, I think 16:43 but has a much harder latergame than most 16:44 -!- aosdict__ has joined #hardfought 16:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Hlf Fem Neu), 2873 points, T:2185, quit 16:44 hmm 16:45 -!- aosdict__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45 what if lycanthropy transformations was 100% consistent depending on turncount, but made overall more dangerous? 16:45 FIQ: for infected players or for monsters? 16:45 most universes with lycanthropy to my knowledge has the transformation being linked to the moon -- that doesn't really work for NetHack, but turncount is similar 16:45 for players 16:46 the idea being that the player is fully aware of when it happens 16:46 and can prepare accordingly 16:46 and then the transformation can be made more dangerous 16:46 the moon does have an effect on lycanthropic transformations in NetHack, but it's very minor 16:46 possibly, for example, replacing player control with a simple AI 16:46 it might be interesting if they spent more time in wereform on a full moon, and less on a new moon 16:47 at present, when you lycantransform as a player in NetHack, you collapse under the weight of inventory then stab yourself until you turn back 16:47 which is not really an ideal gameplay cycle, and also doesn't make any sense 16:47 and possibly removing player agency entirely, meaning players might have no idea of what they did while transformed 16:48 beyond educated guesses depending on their state afterwards 16:48 I've said before that I think there should be a higher penalty for running out of HP while polymorphed 16:48 such as simply just dying? 16:48 or perhaps allow it but paralyze the player for several turns 16:49 I've considered just dying but I think it's near impossible to balance 16:50 my main ideas are a) leaving the player on very low current HP if it happens, b) Con reduction 16:50 the former is a lot easier to communicate to the player as to what happened 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43252 16:52 <@FIQ> Either way I think dying while under the effect of a lycanthropy transformation ought to kill you completely 16:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 103 points, T:302, killed by a boulder 17:12 me mertek me smash spiky man skull in 17:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 391 points, T:652, killed by an iguana 17:12 :D 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:21620 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21630 17:17 -!- blinkleo has joined #hardfought 17:19 hmm… if you /did/ want to make HP-exhaustion-while-polymorphed lethal, you could maybe do it by buffing all polyforms to have some sort of ability that makes survival reasonable 17:19 grid bugs need buffing as it is, they have one of the most interesting drawbacks of any monster/polyform and yet are so ridiculously weak the drawback hardly matters 17:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1463 17:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 5659 points, T:1816, killed by a dwarf 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu) had a short sword entrusted to him by Crom, on T:5161 17:34 <@Sig> Do elves take extra damage from iron weapons? 17:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 9515 points, T:8548, quit 17:35 <@FIQ> Not in vanilla 17:36 <@Sig> I was playing d. 17:40 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:42 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 17:44 <@riker> yes they do 17:44 <@riker> 1dLVL extra (your level, I believe) 17:44 <@riker> enemy elves take the same, same with PC and enemy drow 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:33604 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a bear trap 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:34534 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:34537 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2097 18:14 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 18:18 -!- telegarn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 80 points, T:369, killed by kicking a wall 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 185 points, T:319, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Gia Mal Neu), 7594 points, T:6841, killed by a mastodon 18:35 some asshole opened the minetown zoo :( 18:38 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:38 -!- hopps has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43 hothraxxa I thought you were going for giant wiz 18:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6318 points, T:6335, killed by a blast of fire, while jumping around 18:45 dude! not discussing my urinary habits 18:49 <{Demo}> lmao 18:57 holy crap! giant wizard started with 10 str 18:58 i do have rings of slow digestion and teleport control so that's something 18:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 i don't think i can exercise strength 19:00 certainly not by pushing boulders 19:01 What do giant wiz get in place of cloak of MR? 19:01 the amulet 19:01 also low shoes 19:02 i was leaving this for you but k2 pushed me 19:02 i have unfinished business with a giant barbarian 19:03 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:08 ah. kicking doors still works 19:11 ? 19:11 you didn't know that kicking doors open exercises strength? 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:919 19:15 Yes but I wasn't aware of what you were talking about 19:15 And I generally don't kick doors for that specific reasons 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1138 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1138 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3854 19:20 umbire: so you start with 10 st, what do you do? 19:20 <@riker> splat 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4171 19:26 haha! so k2 and i had a discussion a while back about increasing strength as a giant, and he said he'd made it easier for giants despite the lack of boulder exercise 19:27 on the first two checks (600 and 1400) i gained a point by kicking doors 19:28 then i found two tins of spinach. first one took me from 12 to 18/02 19:28 i feel like popeye! 19:29 <@riker> looks like giants get either 1 or d6 like normal from spinach, but then an extra 2d2 strength 19:29 you looking at the code? 19:29 <@riker> yep 19:29 <@riker> that's gainstr from evilhack 19:30 Sorry about the hterm thing all... did not even occur to me to test that. It's just another terminal, right? 19:30 and sorry about the wizmode thing on evilhack. I don't know how that got in there. 19:30 What else did I break? 19:30 err. explore mode rather. 19:31 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 19:38 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:43 "Hello, hothraxxa! Welcome to Kinsky's jewelers!" 19:43 You drop an uncursed ring of slow digestion (3 aum). 19:43 Kinsky seems uninterested. 19:44 You drop an uncursed ring of teleport control (3 aum). 19:44 Kinsky seems uninterested. 19:44 kinsky is a mountain nymph 19:45 wtf kinsky? 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1355 19:48 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 19:58 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 20:02 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2480 20:11 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1539 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Leggman's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:2702 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 56174 points, T:21511, killed by a touch of death 20:19 doh 20:20 !lastgame krm26 20:20 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1582250315.evil.html 20:20 !lastgame nabru 20:20 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nh343/dumplog/1581896427.nh343.txt 20:20 oooh chameleon turned into an arch-lich 20:35 great. unreachable stairs down in the mines 20:35 also 5000+ turns in and not a single helmet of any kind 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5471 20:53 -!- eu_o_renan has joined #hardfought 20:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 9141 points, T:3056, killed by an owlbear 20:55 -!- nabru has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:55 -!- eu_o_renan is now known as Nabru 20:59 ok menus in hterm should be working again now - this turned out to be due to a very old inconsistency with how dgamelaunch was setting its working directory. Sorry for the inconvenience. 21:00 <@riker> I don't think too many people were negatively affected 21:03 aosdict: for starters, I've only found 4 scrolls of id all game, no reflection, and no MR. Maybe I got a bad roll with the rng. 21:06 K2, Tangles Is there a way to pass COLORTERM=truecolor to hterm? 21:08 -!- Nabru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10 bhaak: I think we can pass environment variables to the process itself, but I doubt we can easily make it user-configurable. 21:11 What does it do? 21:11 it wouldn't need to be user-configurable. it would signal that hterm supports 24bit colors. 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6569 21:12 I'm not sure if the nh4-family would pick up on that (for this, it would possibly need a specific current ncurses version, if at all) but unnethack would 21:21 bhaak: I tried to set it on the eu server. I can't tell if it's made a difference. Can you have a look? 21:27 true color nethack? wut? 21:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29 Tangles: yes, it worked. you can see it on my game on eu, the #show_color debug command shows "truecolor". although it doesn't look exactly like I expected :) the background colors are off. the foreground color works (see red and yellow) 21:31 I did not know about #show_color. That's cool! 21:31 <@Suzune Takada> ? 21:31 <@Suzune Takada> hardfought menu changed 21:31 <@Suzune Takada> all of the variants are inside the main menu 21:32 nobody reads the changelog :-( 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:27101 21:33 bhaak: not frequently, I'm afraid. 21:33 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:34 @Suzune Takada yeah it all changed earlier today 21:35 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:569 21:35 bhaak: red background looks fine to me... Yellow bg looks like brown. Lightcyan bg looks the same as cyan, and white (fg+bg) looks the same as gray. 21:37 black foreground is darkgray, black background is really black - I think by design. 21:37 orange background _kinda_ looks the same as red... maybe. 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1541 points, T:2774, killed by a giant ant 21:40 black background is black as hterm doesn't seem to support inverse truecolor 21:40 Oh in fact you know what it is? All of the 'light' background colours (orange, lgreen, yellow, lblue, lmagenta, lcyan, white) are showing as their non-light equivalents (red, gren, brown, blue, magenta, cyan, gray) 21:41 inverse color 21:41 I think I remember that 21:42 ah, no. bright/bold inverse color isn't supported 21:43 <@Suzune Takada> plate mail is too heavy armor 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2284 21:47 @Suzune Takada: All games are on the main menu, the 'edit config' function has been simplified by allowing you to pick (and keep) your choice of editor, and the copy/sync config options have been expanded, so you can copy between servers, copy from another player, and even copy between variants (so you can start your evilhack config from your vanilla one, for example). 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 609 points, T:2399, poisoned by a little dart 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6449 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:568 22:02 Random wand of wishing :O 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:555 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] mangotiger (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 90 points, T:576, killed by a small mimic 22:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 5685 points, T:3068, killed by a giant spider 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed AlbertB's ghost, the former Adept, on T:9756 22:15 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Orc Fem Cha), 830 points, T:974, killed by an arrow 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:15334 22:18 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Orc Fem Cha), 191 points, T:343, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 22:19 <@Suzune Takada> oops 22:19 <@Suzune Takada> no initial food for orcish convict 22:20 <@riker> convicts intentionally don't have food 22:23 [hdf-us] [un] SuzuneTakada (Con Orc Fem Cha), 389 points, T:770, killed by a bat 22:26 The Convict role patch originally had you start hungry with divine anger and no food. 22:26 So you had like 50 turns to find food, or you died. 22:27 <@Suzune Takada> ah 22:27 <@Suzune Takada> so it's important to get any food 22:27 <@riker> does un keep that? 22:27 <@Suzune Takada> fortunately they have immune sickness so they can eat zombie/mummy corpse 22:28 I think later versions of the patch made them hunger more slowly. 22:28 So you have a few more turns. 22:28 <{Demo}> it's goofy 22:28 <@Suzune Takada> in unnethack, it doesn't start hungry status but becomes hungry earlier than other roles 22:29 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:29 Yeah, I'm not surprised variants that use the patch have adjusted it. I know dnethack did. 22:30 <{Demo}> dnh does a kickass job with the pirate patch, compared to anyone that has ever implemented some form of it 22:31 <@Suzune Takada> in the variants with both pirate and firearms, pirate can use firearms well 22:32 <@Suzune Takada> too bad slashem stopped update before the pirate patch 22:32 <@Suzune Takada> (firearms available in slashem) 22:32 <@riker> pirates are wack 22:35 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 6211 points, T:2995, killed by a dagger 22:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 884 points, T:1244, killed by a kitten 22:46 You kill the gas spore! rn2(0) attempted, returning 0--More-- 22:47 aosdict: ^ xnethack 22:48 it seems related to throwing darts 22:48 got it again on another dart throw 22:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1727 points, T:1320, killed by a kitten, while helpless 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonathanhanes (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:30117 23:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 2404 points, T:4269, killed by a wallaby 23:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 292 points, T:368, killed by a magic missile 23:15 aosdict: looking at 769b45cf3bde41e902c644ff97e35b9967265a4f it seems like it's possible for rn2(0) in rn2(1 - speadjust) 23:15 no clue really, just eyeballing ;) 23:18 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:51761 23:20 -!- blinkleo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25 looks like obj->spe could be initialized to 1 23:25 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Rne3.svg 23:25 (ref mkobj.c) 23:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 5518 points, T:1594, killed by a leocrotta 23:32 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8475 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1194 23:43 K2, Tangles: oh, I see, your hterm is quite old: 1.56 2015-06-16. this bug got fixed in 2017. 23:44 hmm 23:44 which bug 23:44 OTOH would be pretty nice to be able to have different background colors than foreground color, although that would wreck havoc the heap pile color logic 23:45 K2: inverse 24 bit color don't show correctly. there is also another bug, that inverse bright/bold colors show the background color as non-bright/non-bold color, that also affects vanilla. 23:45 ah 23:46 you have a link for latest hterm? 23:46 https://hterm.org/ 23:46 heh 23:48 of course with updating such an old version, you never know if it's not breaking something else or working at all :-| 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 68066 points, T:21559, killed by an elf-lord 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8619 23:50 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 23:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 6695 points, T:1959, killed by a jaguar 23:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1000 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:45392