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00:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 8332 points, T:4297, killed by a human mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze
00:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 2189 points, T:4069, killed by a soldier ant
00:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2525 points, T:2981, killed by a Woodland-elf
00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 33 points, T:243, killed by a newt
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00:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6608
01:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:5077
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01:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6790
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01:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 5345 points, T:8883, poisoned by a killer bee
01:37 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> the poison was deadly...
01:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:31805
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04:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed Mr. Gemein, on T:21009
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04:30 <stenno> !who
04:30 <Beholder> stenno: [hdf-us] AsrielDreemurr [slex] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh370] wvc [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players
04:31 <stenno> the xnh changes sound great
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04:31 <stenno> maybe i should play it but i have an evilhack game going too
04:32 <bhaak> just that 4 levels Sokoban.  that's so 1999
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04:54 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> wow slex player
04:57 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> I'm playing a dwarf
04:57 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> but when dwarf genocides h, it's suicide
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05:23 <raisse> The door closes. Crash!
05:26 <Muadd> Dramatic exit.
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05:31 <raisse> wtf? there was a scroll of scare monster on Elbereth in one of the castle towers, but no chest and no WoW
05:31 <raisse> is that a 3.7 thing?
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05:32 <raisse> I did attack something from the E and got called a hypocrite, could that have spirited the chest away or something
05:32 <raisse> but pretty sure there was only the scroll, it didn't show as a pile with object detection
05:34 <raisse> You succeed in unlocking the door.  It explodes!
05:34 <raisse> You are caught in a blast of kaleidoscopic light!
05:34 <raisse> I thought for a moment that it was the door exploding
05:46 <bhaak> that seems to be a bug. wizmode testing also only shows the scroll and the burned Elbereth
05:47 <raisse> it might have been a devteam decision
05:47 <raisse> (that's euphemism for "nerf")
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05:48 <raisse> I mustn't complain, I got a wish on level 1 when I diluted a useless potion
05:48 <bhaak> you never know but I find that unlikely that anybody would do this :-)
05:48 <raisse> (thats why I'm at the castle now, because I had reflection and good AC from the start
05:48 <raisse> )
05:50 <raisse> Ulch - that meat was tainted, you cannibal!  You feel deathly sick.
05:50 <raisse> that wasn't the wraith but the gnome zombie :-(
05:55 <raisse> I do like it that vampires are actually carrying their boxes
06:00 <Muad> I didn't know Ulch and you cannibal go to the same message
06:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7208
06:05 <raisse> at least they've fixed the grammar, it used to be "that meat was tainted cannibal"
06:07 <bhaak> that's not incorrect grammar :)
06:07 <bhaak> the meaning is different though
06:07 <raisse> well, clumsy phrasing anyway
06:11 <bhaak> I wonder if tainted cannibal tastes differently than just normal tained meat :)
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06:15 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> woops
06:15 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> gender changed
06:15 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> when I wear an amulet
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06:38 <raisse> if you want to change back, find another such amulet :-)
06:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:11781
06:40 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> -_-
06:41 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> not so good for archeologist
06:42 <Andrio> Or don't
06:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) averted death, on T:26596
06:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 11884 points, T:12661, killed by a mumak
06:53 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> mumak is too powerful
06:53 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> I needed better armor
06:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:13961
07:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha), 351255 points, T:27080, quit
07:16 <raisse> next time you meet a mumak, remember that you're faster than it
07:16 <raisse> so it's easy(ish) to run away
07:45 <raisse> lol I have a statue of baalzebub in soko
07:45 <raisse> branchported out with him (and without his cronies)
07:45 <raisse> there was a handy cockatrice right there
08:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17367
08:02 <raisse> a pair of cursed levitation boots?
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08:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:17689
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08:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 378 points, T:1736, killed by a newt
08:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:18732
08:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a pair of snow boots entrusted to him by Anu, on T:20312
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08:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:29665
08:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:29757
08:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:29757
08:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:29758
08:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:20143
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08:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:29818
08:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class P, on T:29818
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09:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:20568
09:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an ettin, on T:22050
09:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:30857
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09:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:30956
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09:19 <VaderFLAG> Nice combo move here by a leprechaun-centaur team: steal my (gold) amulet of MR, zap me with 3 polymorphs in a row, making me a cockroach and then polymorphing armor I was forced to drop
09:22 <aosdict> heh... risks of relying on gold amulets!
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09:23 <VaderFLAG> Yeah, I demand a Soko refund
09:33 <hothraxxa> nobody likes a cockroach
09:34 <hothraxxa> except maybe mehitabel
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09:48 <Grasshopper> I'm back
09:50 <Grasshopper> !who
09:50 <Beholder> Grasshopper: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] Simeone [nh370] | [hdf-eu] Tariru [evil] Graznop [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players
10:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:48624
10:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 541 points, T:2046, killed by a kitten
10:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:48850
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10:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 153 points, T:455, killed by a bat
10:16 <ruffni> is it possible hardfought kinda loses my games after nethack-upgrades? i had it before and am now surprised again; i thought i had some game saved, but it asks me to start a new one. last time i did start a new one, so after dying i wanted to start a new game just to be brought back to my first game.... anyone else experience this?
10:17 <raisse> gah! misjudged that
10:18 <raisse> thought I could weather one more hit and pray, rather than escaping
10:18 <raisse> got all the fun parts of the game anyway, I hate the ascension run and the planes
10:19 <amateurhour> they're the most intense parts for me, downward in gehennom is the low point
10:19 <raisse> I like the buildup phase in the mid-game best, soko to castle
10:20 <ruffni> with or without quest?
10:21 <amateurhour> is that because after the wand of wishing your gear is all the same?
10:30 <rld> <@Maize> gehennom is a pain in the ass
10:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:49578
10:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:49624
10:35 <VaderFLAG> Noooo!
10:36 <hothraxxa> yes
10:36 <ruffni> dang
10:36 <hothraxxa> all my potions gone
10:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14053
10:37 <amateurhour> D:
10:38 <amateurhour> they still break after being scattered? :(
10:38 <hothraxxa> yeah
10:38 <VaderFLAG> Makes sense, same as throwing a potion
10:38 <hothraxxa> i just need to find the goddamned oilskin bag
10:40 <hothraxxa> hm. seems to be gone
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10:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] sflicht (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elven dagger on an altar, on T:3195
10:51 <hothraxxa> well i seem to be royally screwed
10:51 <hothraxxa> a lot of stuff is missing, including all my weapons
10:55 <amateurhour> huh, gone as in it disappeared when it shouldn't
10:55 <amateurhour> or some monster yanked it all
10:55 <hothraxxa> no i found a lot more. i was on a staircase down so they fell downstairs
11:00 <raisse> ruffni: with or without quest depends on role
11:01 <raisse> amateurhour: no, I don't mind gear being the same, I just like collecting it better than fighting or walking mazes
11:01 <raisse> no WoW in that game anyway (bhaak says it;s a bug) so I had only MC2 from a very rotted cloak of MR
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11:02 <raisse> lost levels by the bushel but I also had plenty of full healing and gain level
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11:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 2042 points, T:946, killed by a wand of striking
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11:08 <ruffni> no WoW in the castle?
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11:13 <aosdict> a bug
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 355 points, T:412, killed by a boulder
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] sflicht (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7446 points, T:7599, killed by a soldier ant
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11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:5304
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11:24 <amateurhour> gehennom is slightly less frustrating with the maze variations in
11:24 <amateurhour> can't remember if that's 3.7+ only though
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11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 848 points, T:764, killed by a monster (Ms. Zonguldak, the shopkeeper)
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11:31 <aosdict> 3.6.1
11:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1271 points, T:2073, killed by a giant ant
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha) killed The Greater Hell-Lichen, on T:303
11:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:6503
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 66 points, T:626, killed by a newt
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11:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 849 points, T:1693, killed by a giant bat
11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:50096
11:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:7346
12:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:27993
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12:18 <rld> <@Tone> What is this no castle wand bug?
12:19 <stenno2> uh?
12:19 <rld> <@Tone> Was just reading backscroll from raisse and aosdict and they mentioned something about it
12:21 <rld> <@Tone> ah, yes bhaak seems to have confirmed it about 7 hours ago
12:22 <rld> <@Tone> In the bhaakscroll, if you will
12:23 <stenno2> lol
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:36747
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36748
12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:51213
12:29 <hothraxxa> asshole
12:29 <amateurhour> :(
12:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:29823
12:32 <VaderFLAG> It's a dirty lie, the Oracle attacked a cockatrice, I tried to help but alas
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12:35 <K2> ruffni which server you play on?
12:35 <ruffni> eu
12:36 <K2> 370-hdf?
12:36 <ruffni> yes
12:36 <K2> k one sec
12:36 <ruffni> but maybe i really died this time
12:37 <K2> just dbl-checking the dgl config. its good, no typos that would make you skip a version
12:39 <K2> !who
12:39 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] woodstea23 [slshm] luxor [slshm] Everdying [evil] hothraxxa [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] Bliss56 [nh370] MaxLunar [slex] AsrielDreemurr [slex] karibou [dnh] krm26 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Tariru [evil] Raisse [nh370] mosen [nh370] Graznop [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players
12:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:30132
12:40 <K2> !lastgame fdsa
12:40 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fdsa/nethack/dumplog/1575920417.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fdsa/nethack/dumplog/1581781788.nh.html
12:41 <K2> ruffni yeah I'm not seeing anything out of place
12:42 <K2> the way it works with a save-breaking update - new build is in its own separate folder, if you have a save from an older version, you play it out until its over (died or asc), you wont go over to the newer version until that happens
12:43 <K2> right now you're where you're supposed to be. I can tell you've played games on older builds, but there no save files to load, hence you'd play on the newest build
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13:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 4210 points, T:2197, quit
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 834 points, T:1175, killed by a rabid rat
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13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11944
13:19 <ruffni> i'm like a 100% positive that weird thing happened some time in december; i had some pretty nice game going (found 2 magic lamps or something) logged in, started a new game (since it didn't resume automatically and it's somewhat impossible to "look" for resumable games by hand), had another pretty nice run, died on my 2nd game, wanted to start a new one and there it was, my old game with the 2 lamps. YASDed anyways, but wondered whe
13:20 <ruffni> it was a bug...
13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law), 437568 points, T:37404, petrified by a cockatrice corpse
13:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a visored helmet entrusted to him by Anu, on T:31756
13:30 <K2> oh... yeah that did happen, typo on my end when setting up a new version
13:30 <ruffni> no problem, was just wondering :)
13:30 <K2> i thought you were talking about now, today
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13:31 <K2> amazing what being off by one letter can do
13:33 <ruffni> well, i was, but i guess i was just wrong today and actually died recently :)
13:33 <K2> :)
13:34 <ruffni> which is a pity, since my game ain't that strong today
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13:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:48765
13:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 451 points, T:2296, killed by a giant ant, while praying
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13:58 <VaderFLAG> evilhack suggestion: when you're hit by a weapon with an object property that has an effect, it identifies that part of the item
13:58 <VaderFLAG> or maybe it does if I'm not blind?
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14:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 daggers on an altar, on T:3590
14:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 229 points, T:1727, killed by a dwarf
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14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2307 points, T:3620, killed by a dwarf lord
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14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 5614 points, T:2032, killed by a monster (Mr. Boddenham, the shopkeeper)
14:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:49550
14:12 <amateurhour> zapped wand of polymorph at my pet
14:12 <amateurhour> The large dog turns into a dog!
14:15 <{Demo}> ok i am now in a state where i can try harder to find the quest portal
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 217 points, T:476, killed by a dwarf, while being terrified of a ghost
14:17 <{Demo}> can someone help me
14:18 <K2> whats wrong {Demo}
14:18 <{Demo}> https://i.imgur.com/nfZqhxi.png seeking a quest portal
14:18 <{Demo}> i don't wanna have to dig every square on the level
14:18 <{Demo}> i think theres a tiny room hidden somewhere
14:19 <VaderFLAG> Isn't that it in the upper-right? the ^
14:19 <K2> thats tele
14:19 <K2> {Demo} save your game
14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:49927
14:19 <{Demo}> ok saved
14:20 <VaderFLAG> Bet there's a tiny room or something in the middle
14:20 <{Demo}> k2 plz no cheat, if the portal is there i wanna find it legit which i know is rich coming from me
14:20 <K2> dont worry no cheating
14:20 <K2> just verifying if there's an issue
14:20 <bhaak> that's a large terminal
14:21 <K2> hah crap my local copy is newer version
14:21 <{Demo}> yes bhaak bigger is better
14:21 <bhaak> empty space is boring space
14:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:32844
14:21 <bhaak> bigger font is better
14:21 <K2> you're gonna need to dig
14:22 <{Demo}> thanks ok
14:22 <{Demo}> glad its not broken
14:22 <{Demo}> cause it would suck if it was
14:22 <K2> try upper left
14:22 <{Demo}> i had a jolt cola and half a dozen donuts for breakfast today
14:22 <K2> i didnt load your game, just guessing based on blank space in pic
14:23 <K2> could be a rom in the middle too
14:23 <K2> room
14:23 <K2> you sure you stepped on every single room space?
14:23 <K2> and is this the correct level?
14:23 <bhaak> ctrl-o does show that, doesn't it?
14:24 <{Demo}> yeah tried them al ltwice
14:24 <K2> yeah
14:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:50058
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14:25 <VaderFLAG> Am I gauntlets of protection or nothing for giant MC3?
14:25 <{Demo}> wait can the portal be in the stair room now?
14:25 <K2> goof
14:25 <{Demo}> fuck it can, that's right, evilhack fucks with that
14:26 <K2> VaderFLAG not nothing
14:26 <{Demo}> well thanks lol
14:26 <K2> mc2 vs mc3
14:26 <bhaak> sure that's not also possible in vanilla?
14:27 <bhaak> seems like a restriction that the 3.6 level compiler would lift?
14:27 <{Demo}> it's 100% not possible in 3.4.3
14:27 <{Demo}> i have no idea about 3.6
14:27 <VaderFLAG> That's what I mean, only way to get to MC3
14:27 <K2> i think so VaderFLAG
14:27 <K2> unless there's a combo i'm not aware of
14:28 <aosdict> no body armor + cloak rules out most sources of MC2
14:28 <K2> cornauthum gives mc1
14:28 <amateurhour> mithril stuff gives mc2 doesn't it?
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14:28 <K2> body armor only tho
14:28 <amateurhour> oh, that's a shame
14:29 * amateurhour drops mithril dwarven helm
14:29 <{Demo}> wait tman is going again?
14:29 <{Demo}> wait you can get a dragonhide speed hat?
14:29 <K2> if any piece of armor gave a level of mc, then there'd be no point in even having it
14:29 <{Demo}> can't you not do that
14:29 <amateurhour> it's object properties you can't wish for on magical items iirc
14:29 <amateurhour> not the materials
14:29 <K2> {Demo} no dragonhide hermes hats
14:30 <{Demo}> so he fucked up with that wish?
14:30 <K2> amateurhour correct
14:30 <K2> {Demo} yup
14:30 <{Demo}> ok cool
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14:30 <{Demo}> cause i might have wanted that if it was a thing
14:30 <{Demo}> need dragonhide speed boots, dhide dex gloves, and then probably a dhide hat
14:31 <{Demo}> so elven
14:31 <K2> yeah
14:31 <{Demo}> wish i could go dhide speed hat and then dhide ww
14:31 <K2> anyone - whats the bit that keeps quest leaders rooted to one spot until they are attacked? M3_CLOSE isnt it
14:32 <{Demo}> idk
14:32 <{Demo}> monster gen feels bad right now
14:32 <{Demo}> im gonna have issues with it
14:32 <K2> did you go past the castle yet?
14:33 <{Demo}> nope
14:33 <{Demo}> wheres the new curve?
14:33 <{Demo}> i saw an image or something i think
14:33 <K2> then mon gen is still under 2x that or normal
14:33 <K2> unless you were crowned
14:34 <K2> being crowned bumps it to 2x
14:34 <{Demo}> oh whoops
14:34 <{Demo}> i did get crowned cause i didnt know better
14:34 <K2> 2x isnt bad
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1170 points, T:854, killed by a bolt of fire
14:34 <{Demo}> it isnt bad
14:34 <{Demo}> cause i need xlvl 14
14:34 <{Demo}> and a cancellation wand
14:36 <{Demo}> is there a certain turncount i should seek to avoid at all costs?
14:37 <K2> no not anymore
14:37 <amateurhour> fairly sure K2 personally remotes into the server and manually spawns monsters from about 60k turns in
14:37 <{Demo}> whats the peak spawn rate on a 400 million game turn?
14:37 <{Demo}> not that i've ever played a 400 million turn game on hdf ;)
14:37 <K2> {Demo} it depends now where you are in the game
14:38 <K2> milestones
14:38 <{Demo}> ok, so it isnt turncount based at all?
14:38 <amateurhour> ooh does it actually, that's awesome
14:38 <K2> no it doesnt not anymore
14:38 <{Demo}> oh thank god
14:38 <{Demo}> i can play the way I like
14:38 <K2> once you go past the castle or get crowned, its 2x
14:38 <{Demo}> and then after that?
14:38 <K2> and then goes up from there as you progress
14:39 <{Demo}> turn based progression?
14:39 <{Demo}> or more milestones?
14:39 <K2> no its not turn based at all
14:39 <Pinkbeast> Didn't Spork have it time-based (no bad idea, but it got preposterous on small levels like Vlad's)
14:39 <K2> Pinkbeast I used to have it like sporkhack
14:39 <K2> then changed it so its more like unnethack but different
14:39 <{Demo}> then what makes it go up from there as you progress?
14:39 <{Demo}> max dungeon depth?
14:40 <K2> different spots in gehennom make it go up
14:40 <{Demo}> ok good to know
14:40 <K2> killing rodney, 6x
14:40 <{Demo}> yikes
14:40 <K2> performing invocation, 8x
14:40 <{Demo}> i guess i just wont kill him
14:40 <{Demo}> i guess i just wont invocate :P
14:40 <K2> heh
14:40 <{Demo}> too bad thats not an option anymore
14:40 <{Demo}> so getting crowned was potentially a smart move
14:40 <K2> by the time you've performed in the invocation, you should be able to handle pretty much anything
14:40 <K2> yes
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a pair of cloth high boots entrusted to her by Set, on T:44086
14:41 <{Demo}> not dragonhide not speed boots gtfo ser
14:41 <{Demo}> as a crowned man, i have what, 50% damage reduction from elemnts?
14:41 <K2> 100%
14:42 <K2> just like vanilla
14:42 <{Demo}> trying to not get shafted by wands of lightning on the quest
14:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:18653
14:42 <amateurhour> is there anything given by crowning that monks don't get from levelling?
14:42 <{Demo}> yes
14:42 <{Demo}> 1/4 of the time you get sickness res
14:42 <K2> 1/10th
14:42 <{Demo}> what
14:42 <K2> 1/10th
14:42 <{Demo}> did you lower it?
14:42 <K2> yeah it was 1/3
14:42 <{Demo}> ah
14:42 <K2> too op
14:42 <Pinkbeast> Increased prayer timeout?
14:42 <{Demo}> well fuck you ill wear the ring of phul properly
14:42 <{Demo}> lol pinkbeast
14:42 <K2> that hasnt changed (prayer timeout)
14:43 <K2> coder types - anyone know what keeps the quest leader rooted in place?
14:43 <K2> i cant seem to find it
14:45 <amateurhour> you sure it's not M3_CLOSE?
14:45 <K2> no its not
14:46 <rld> <@Tone> Is it just that they are generated meditating?
14:47 <rld> <@Tone> They may not be, in hindsight
14:47 <K2> means they dont engage until you're close
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a pair of cloth gloves entrusted to him by Anu, on T:33741
14:47 <K2> if peaceful, they wont move at all until you interact
14:48 <K2> chat or whatever
14:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 990 points, T:2185, killed by a bolt of lightning
14:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12801
14:48 <rld> <@Tone> I don't think they move even if you #chat them
14:48 <{Demo}> does evil hack xp lvl curve?
14:49 <{Demo}> for advancing xp lvl
14:49 <K2> its same as vanilla
14:49 <K2> @Tone they do
14:49 <K2> i'm testing something out and i dont want this dude to move after #chat but he does
14:49 <rld> <@Tone> You have to move into them then decline the attack prompt before they'll start moving iirc
14:49 <rld> <@Tone> ah, okay then
14:49 <{Demo}> fuck a gelatinous cube
14:50 <K2> you're a giant
14:50 <{Demo}> fucker tried to sneak up on me and i almost engaged it
14:50 <{Demo}> oh
14:50 <{Demo}> well shit
14:50 <K2> cant be engulfed
14:50 <{Demo}> yeah
14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 771 points, T:965, killed by a dwarf
14:50 <VaderFLAG> I'm still not used to being unengulfable
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14:50 <VaderFLAG> Let a grey dragon beat on me a while before I realized
14:50 <{Demo}> yeah i just boulder slammed him
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14:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:19113
14:57 <{Demo}> locust aren't very gangster and i didnt get sick res
14:58 <{Demo}> oh well, need the QA
15:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:19616
15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:19730
15:16 <{Demo}> hmm a peaceful barbarian lurking around, I bet he has good shit
15:16 <{Demo}> kinda not interesting in going toe to toe with him, wonder what a good cheese method would be. he has -8 ac
15:19 <VaderFLAG> What and let him get to the amulet first?
15:19 <VaderFLAG> There's only room for one barbarian in this dungeon
15:19 <{Demo}> yeah, and it might be him if I challenge him
15:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a bone helm of speed entrusted to her by Set, on T:48616
15:20 <{Demo}> thanks dad
15:20 <VaderFLAG> Nice
15:21 <{Demo}> eh
15:21 <{Demo}> not really
15:21 <{Demo}> already had a speed hat
15:24 <{Demo}> ok i merked michael
15:24 <{Demo}> time to steak his sdsm and wish i wasnt too obese
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15:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:35334
15:28 <VaderFLAG> Wow Perseus with Grayswandir, that's a first for me
15:29 <{Demo}> good deal
15:31 <{Demo}> goddamn why cant i find random dragonhide
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15:32 <{Demo}> shit, paxed is in my game
15:32 <oh6> K2: has anyone suggested looking at mstrategy yet?
15:33 <oh6> looks like clearing STRAT_WAITMASK might be how they start moving
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 174 points, T:745, killed by a gas spore's explosion
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 49473 points, T:21159, killed by an energy vortex
15:33 <{Demo}> ok he was really easy to kill
15:33 <stenno2> maybe they are just meditating
15:34 <stenno2> yeah they are meditating
15:34 <stenno2> STRAT_CLOSE is what makes them meditate
15:35 <stenno2> compare this article https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Meditating
15:35 <stenno2> K2: ^
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15:38 <{Demo}> so many damn player character fuckers
15:38 <stenno2> and STRAT_WAITMASK is just (STRAT_CLOSE|STRAT_WAITFORU)
15:40 <oh6> yeah, it's only the quest leaders that have M3_CLOSE - and one part-time nemesis :)
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 270 points, T:840, killed by a small mimic
15:41 <{Demo}> xlvl 14, i guess its time to ass blast up into the quest
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] RasselK (Val Dwa Mal Law), 14702 points, T:4997, killed by a blast of missiles
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Gaal (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 294 points, T:965, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse
15:44 <{Demo}> k2 i felt less hassled with a troll in my bag
15:45 <{Demo}> the way i understand it, those words aren't meant to be used then
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15:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (arch-liches), on T:50355
15:49 <stenno2> oh6: TIL that master of thieves also had STRAT_CLOSE as a quest nemesis in 3.4.3
15:50 <stenno2> oh6: the prisoners in the wizard quest also have STRAT_CLOSE
15:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 202 points, T:936, killed by a gas spore's explosion
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15:53 <VaderFLAG> In evilhack if I have reflection but 0% disintegration resistance, what's the effect when i get breathed on?
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:50966
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50967
15:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:8350
15:54 <{Demo}> there a meanie zapping poly at me
15:54 <{Demo}> will mr block it totally?
15:54 <VaderFLAG> Yeah
15:54 <{Demo}> ohgood
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 149 points, T:937, killed by a giant mimic
15:59 <{Demo}> we is in flying amulet i guess :/
15:59 <{Demo}> time to storm the castle
16:00 <VaderFLAG> Geez this npc monk rolled up on me with TWO death wands and reflection
16:02 <K2> oh6, stenno2 thanks
16:04 <{Demo}> is there a reason for me to not go hard with genos in evilhack?
16:04 <{Demo}> also, what are prime targets
16:04 <{Demo}> tried vjabby but that shit didnt work
16:04 <{Demo}> and im engulf proof
16:05 <{Demo}> pretty sure beholder is banned as well?
16:05 <K2> yeah
16:05 <K2> liches and mmf
16:05 <{Demo}> vmage is popular
16:05 <K2> vampire mages
16:05 <{Demo}> oh yeah mmf would be funny
16:05 <{Demo}> theres one bullying me rn
16:05 <{Demo}> emotionally
16:05 <{Demo}> by trying to sell me a 4000 geno scroll
16:05 <aosdict> standard warning about overgenociding causing more ungenocidable nasty stuff to appear
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:51888
16:06 <{Demo}> oh hmm that guy is just a regular mind flayer
16:06 <{Demo}> the more you know
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2894 points, T:2311, killed by a gnome king
16:08 <{Demo}> uh wtf theres a beholder what do i do
16:09 <stenno2> blind yourself?
16:09 <stenno2> is that sufficient?
16:09 <{Demo}> i dont know
16:09 <{Demo}> oh shit fuck medusa she's really strong now
16:09 <{Demo}> and i cant wear gold dsm to fight her
16:09 <{Demo}> even though i knicked some from a PC
16:10 <{Demo}> im gonna guess that beholders aren't good to eat
16:10 <{Demo}> unlike in dnh
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16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18565
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16:17 <{Demo}> dragonhide high boots get
16:17 <{Demo}> took a bit of a fight to get them
16:23 <{Demo}> LOL
16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Demo5 (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 254145 points, T:53613, killed by a blast of disintegration
16:23 <{Demo}> just dropped through the floor and put on a blindfold and died
16:24 <K2> !lastgame Demo5
16:24 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo5/evilhack/dumplog/1581690317.evil.html
16:25 <K2> no reflection at all huh
16:25 <{Demo}> yeah didnt think it would do much, forgot that a stray black dragon in the distance would be able to onehit me cause i have no exterior armor
16:27 <K2> :(
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16:30 <rld> <@Deck4> what is yall's main combo?
16:31 <aosdict> up up down down left right left right b a START
16:31 <K2> hahah
16:32 <K2> @Deck4 could you be more specific? main combo for what?
16:32 <rld> <@Deck4> main race class combo
16:32 <K2> aah
16:32 <rld> <@Tone> I'm a tourist main
16:32 <K2> i got a thing for wizards
16:33 <K2> usually elf wiz
16:33 <rld> <@Tone> Mostly joking, I play a bit of everything
16:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law), 2244 points, T:3895, killed by a bolt of lightning
16:36 <K2> sometimes its fun to just tank also
16:36 <rld> <@Deck4> i do the power move
16:36 <rld> <@Deck4> orc wiz
16:36 <K2> kinda wind up doing that anyways even as a primary caster
16:36 <rld> <@Deck4> also monks
16:37 <K2> i really enjoy playing monk
16:37 <K2> esp in evilhack
16:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2417 points, T:2403, killed by a wand
16:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1786 points, T:1050, killed by a system shock
16:38 <rld> <@Deck4> ouchie
16:39 <rld> <@Deck4> poly mishaps
16:39 <rld> <@Deck4> i'd like running stuff like tourist, archs & healers
16:39 <rld> <@Deck4> but i feel theyre kinda squishy
16:39 <aosdict> overcoming the squishiness is part of the appeal, I think
16:40 <rld> <@Deck4> thats the thing
16:40 <rld> <@Deck4> been kinda hard getting over it
16:40 <rld> <@Deck4> how do i edit my rc file again?
16:41 <K2> when you login to dgl, the edit menu is on the right
16:41 <rld> <@Deck4> im through putty and in the edit menu
16:41 <K2> or you can use a web editor - https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/rcedit/
16:41 <rld> <@Deck4> so
16:41 <rld> <@Deck4> jsut did my thing
16:41 <rld> <@Deck4> and ctrl X
16:41 <rld> <@Deck4> how do i save this badboy then
16:42 <K2> ctrl O
16:42 <rld> <@Deck4> oh nvm im dumb
16:42 <rld> <@Tone> Here's some instructions for the virus editor: https://alt.org/nethack/virus
16:42 <rld> <@Deck4> mfw i pressed enter
16:42 <K2> :)
16:42 <rld> <@Deck4> ty
16:43 <rld> <@Deck4> zen tourist
16:43 <rld> <@Deck4> lets see how far i get
16:44 <rld> <@Deck4> any tips on a zen run?
16:44 <K2> oh man... i've never done one
16:44 <K2> @luxidream has
16:45 <rld> <@luxidream> find probing
16:45 <rld> <@riker> stethoscope?
16:45 <rld> <@luxidream> have limitless patience
16:46 <rld> <@luxidream> no you need probing to make items seen
16:46 <K2> drink a lot
16:47 <rld> <@luxidream> play a better role than tourist
16:48 <rld> <@Deck4> fate
16:48 <rld> <@Deck4> instadied from a fountain
16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:137, killed by contaminated water
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16:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Rod Fem Cha) averted death, on T:4600
16:52 <{Demo}> ooh its ttimew
16:53 <K2> throne wish
16:53 <{Demo}> ballin t man
16:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1340 points, T:3535, killed by a killer bee
16:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Rod Fem Cha), 45534 points, T:4674, killed by a monster (jumping force babelfish)
16:55 <rld> <@Deck4> well
16:55 <{Demo}> whats an arbalester and why does it sound like someone who molests trees and why is that what a lvl 18 ranger is called?
16:55 <rld> <@Deck4> i wouldnt expect less from slex
16:56 <rld> <@Deck4> arbalester is a person who uses an arbalest
16:56 <aosdict> fire the arbalest!
16:56 <rld> <@Deck4> aka those big ass crossbows
16:56 <Pinkbeast> Uncle Fester is a person who uses a fest?
16:56 <LarienTelrunya> @Deck4: huh? what do you mean "not expect less from slex"?
16:56 <rld> <@Deck4> "jumping force babelfish"
16:56 <rld> <@Deck4> also hey amy
16:57 <LarienTelrunya> @Deck4: do I know you?
16:57 <rld> <@Deck4> no
16:57 <rld> <@Deck4> but i know you
16:57 <Pinkbeast> Well, this isn't turning creepy
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16:58 <aosdict> arbalester is a rank title in vanilla
16:58 <aosdict> has nothing to do with slex in particular
16:58 <LarienTelrunya> uhh... do I have to be scared?
16:58 <K2> Tariru - save/reload to be able to see the fell beast.
16:58 <Tariru> Ah, thanks
16:58 <K2> hate that bug
16:59 <rld> <@Deck4> so uh
16:59 <rld> <@Deck4> why does "look inside the bag" work when blind
16:59 <rld> <@Deck4> hmmmmmmmmmm
17:00 <K2> semantics
17:00 <Pinkbeast> It's just an expression - I've known blind people talk about "seeing a band"
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1302 points, T:1768, killed by a kitten
17:03 <{Demo}> im confused, how is he mjol+grimming
17:03 <{Demo}> mjol is neutral and grim is chaotic
17:03 <{Demo}> also grim is filthy now?
17:03 <rld> <@Deck4> does stuffing a cockatrice corpse inside a bag
17:03 <rld> <@Deck4> then checking it
17:03 <rld> <@Deck4> while blind
17:03 <rld> <@Deck4> lethal
17:06 <K2> {Demo} you cant dual wield lawful/chaotic together
17:06 <K2> otherwise go for it
17:06 <K2> and yeah grimtooth got a buff
17:06 <{Demo}> ah ok
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:52103
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52105
17:07 <rld> <@Tone> Hey #hardfought, I'll be live streaming some nethack over at https://www.twitch.tv/tonehack
17:07 <K2> \o/
17:07 <rld> <@Tone> My first games since the November tournament O_o
17:07 <K2> aahhh Tariru is on demogorgon's level
17:08 <K2> and he left lol
17:08 <{Demo}> uh oh
17:08 <K2> @Tone damn that long?
17:08 <Tariru> Bit tired, I'll probably finish it off tomorrow.
17:08 <Tariru> A stack of silver arrows ought to make demogorgon easy anyway.
17:08 <K2> Tariru good call, Demogorgon + tired isnt a good mix
17:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 18 points, T:237, killed by a grid bug
17:08 <rld> <@Tone> K2:  Yep, I've been playing a few other roguelikes the past few months
17:09 <{Demo}> idk how i didnt splat my evil game last night
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17:31 <rld> <@Deck4> is there any way to start a chaotic archeologist
17:34 <rld> <@riker> no
17:35 <rld> <@riker> before Amy shows up I would like to clarify that only applies to variants without slex in their name
17:35 <rld> <@Deck4> lel
17:36 <LarienTelrunya> lol I was contemplating saying "by playing slex" :P
17:37 <LarienTelrunya> did Tomb Raider have hostile archeologists? if yes, those would be chaotic, right?
17:37 <rld> <@riker> probably
17:38 <rld> <@riker> nethack does an awful job with evil vs chaotic
17:38 <rld> <@Deck4> woo
17:38 <rld> <@Deck4> finally found this song
17:39 <LarienTelrunya> slex will never have race/role/gender/alignment restrictions, because I'm of the opinion that if the player wants to play a lawful rogue or gnome barbarian, let them do so :D
17:40 <rld> <@Deck4> you should put race restrictions on the murderer
17:40 <rld> <@Deck4> make its life even harder
17:41 <LarienTelrunya> nah
17:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:83, killed by a succubus
17:43 <rld> <@Deck4> oooh
17:43 <rld> <@Deck4> gemstone ball
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17:48 <LarienTelrunya> @Deck4: huh? are you actually playing slex? because I can't think of any other variant that has a "gemstone ball" item
17:48 <rld> <@Deck4> yes i have one chained to my foot at that
17:49 <LarienTelrunya> wtf where are you playing?
17:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Simeone's ghost, the former Novice, on T:4025
17:50 <rld> <@Deck4> oh boy
17:50 <rld> <@Deck4> my ghost right there
17:50 <rld> <@Deck4> hf
17:51 <LarienTelrunya> Deck4 = Simeone?
17:51 <rld> <@Deck4> ye
17:52 <rld> <@Deck4> im too lazy to get my configs on it so i kinda didnt keep going
17:52 <LarienTelrunya> but you're playing vanilla! does vanilla have the item materials patch now or what?
17:52 <LarienTelrunya> oh I see
17:54 <rld> <@Deck4> still got the shoe liking amy?
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17:54 <LarienTelrunya> of course! high heels are very sexy ♥
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17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 92 points, T:320, killed by a fox
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18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:5097
18:14 <rld> <@Deck4> what about sandals
18:14 <rld> <@Deck4> with socks
18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 74516 points, T:11921, killed by an ochre jelly
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18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 223 points, T:657, killed by a sewer rat
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18:16 <rld> <@Deck4> what was the command to not show deaths and whatnot until x turns?
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18:19 <Pinkbeast> I think it's !setmintc
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 32377 points, T:4132, killed by a monster (dutush)
18:21 <LarienTelrunya> @Deck4 ugh, hell no
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18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Hum Fem Neu), 370 points, T:1620, killed by a magic missile
18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed invisible +2 Juupad Style", on T:135
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18:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6340
18:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:6582
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Rod Fem Cha), 10944 points, T:2185, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted Liselotte's hugging boot)
18:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12016
18:41 <Umbire> Hello hello
18:41 <Umbire> What've I missed
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Goreval (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 574 points, T:2262, killed by a pony
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:53372
18:48 <aosdict> Umbire: a bug where the castle wow fails to generate
18:48 <Umbire> Oh that sounds fucking *wonderful*.
18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:53401
18:48 <{Demo}> in what variant
18:48 <Umbire> Vanilla or variant?
18:48 <aosdict> vanilla
18:48 <{Demo}> what
18:49 <Umbire> G r o s s
18:49 <{Demo}> whyd it fail
18:49 <Umbire> Like did someone carry the chest into the atomsmasher or what
18:49 <aosdict> this is why I applaud the devteam's decision to make the 3.7 dev code available. Imagine if they kept development under wraps and it made it all the way into the release.
18:49 <Umbire> Right???
18:50 <{Demo}> it was that much an edge case?
18:50 <Umbire> Most of me doesn't want to believe such a distressing bug could occur but part of me is fairly certain that it's Actually Happened
18:50 <Pinkbeast> How frequently did it happen?
18:50 <{Demo}> yeah I probably should be nicer to.the ppl that have been good diplomats to the DT
18:50 <{Demo}> why didn't it happen?
18:51 <LarienTelrunya> why does vanilla have all the cool features that make the game harder lately and why do they all get removed/"fixed"? :/
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7985 points, T:2656, killed by an acid blob
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) killed the Tiamat, on T:38557
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38559
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18:55 <aosdict> Umbire: When you consider they're completely overhauling how special level files work, and the castle wand is specified in a special level file, it's not that surprising.
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19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4576
19:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 30965 points, T:13860, killed by an owlbear
19:06 <Umbire> aosdict: Ah, that'd do it
19:06 <Umbire> I'm curious about this overhaul now
19:07 <Umbire> More the details than anything else
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19:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 135 points, T:463, killed by a water moccasin
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19:33 <rld> <@Deck4> should i use a trident or a knoife
19:35 <K2> trident does decent damage
19:35 <{Demo}> knives do fuckall
19:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 486 points, T:1204, killed by a dwarf
19:38 <rld> <@Deck4> ouch
19:38 <rld> <@Deck4> whats the command/lines for showing blessed and whatnot things have different colors
19:39 <{Demo}> menucolors? idk, raid someone good's rcfiles
19:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2132 points, T:2287, killed by a giant beetle
19:40 <rld> <@Deck4> what can " g?e?thouse" mean
19:41 <{Demo}> guesthouse
19:41 <{Demo}> false rumor
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19:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Rod Fem Cha), 14217 points, T:2842, quit
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19:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a pair of wooden gauntlets entrusted to him by Anu, on T:39549
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19:56 <Umbire> Oh yeah, how's Tariru been doing
20:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Cav Gia Mal Law) destroyed Demo5's ghost, the former Raider, on T:40296
20:08 <VaderFLAG> Demo I am organizing a traditional giant memorial for you
20:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Ran Elf Mal Cha) stole 1137 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Rath Luirc's second-hand bookstore, on T:1302
20:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Simeone (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 506 points, T:1362, killed by a Keystone Kop
20:11 <rld> <@Deck4> robbing the shop (gone wrong)
20:11 <nabru> Well, I saw that one coming...
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20:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 18321 points, T:8029, killed by a leocrotta
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20:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 302 points, T:2193, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze
20:32 <rld> <@Deck4> yasi: eye problem conduct
20:32 <rld> <@Deck4> reverse zen but you can only see with lenses on
20:32 <rld> <@Deck4> gotta have lenses on if you wanna see
20:34 <bug_sniper> the only challenge there is that nymphs can make you blind?
20:35 <K2> thats interesting
20:35 <K2> start the game nearsighted
20:36 <K2> cant see anything farther than one space ahead of you unless you're wearing lenses
20:36 <K2> ^ YANI
20:36 <bug_sniper> or farsighted where you need lenses to read
20:36 <K2> yeah
20:36 <K2> hah... that's a really neat idea
20:37 <bug_sniper> cataclysm dda already has those as starting traits you can sell
20:37 <K2> monster with a gaze attack that gives you near/farsightedness
20:38 <K2> if your game exceeds 100k turns, you become old and farsighted
20:38 <K2> ^ more YANI
20:39 <K2> 'Edith! where are mah gdamn readers!'
20:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 85 points, T:465, killed by an iron ball collision
20:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16155
20:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 31825 points, T:16951, killed by a leocrotta, while frozen by a monster's gaze
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 319 points, T:895, killed by a wererat, while sleeping
20:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1458 points, T:833, killed by a gnome lord
20:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2069 points, T:2880, killed by a horse, while frozen by a monster's gaze
20:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 223 points, T:942, killed by a boulder
21:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1684 points, T:5931, killed by Ms. Pengalengan; the shopkeeper
21:01 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> went wrong why while I used mattock
21:02 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> how to disable auto digging in hardfought nh
21:02 <Umbire> Why did you have it out in the shop, though
21:02 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> minetown
21:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16786
21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1572 points, T:3389, killed by an Elvenking
21:04 <rld> <@Suzune Takada> just yasd
21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:18146
21:06 <Umbire> I mean why in the shop specifically.
21:06 <Umbire> Mimic problem?
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21:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 6727 points, T:3388, killed by a giant eel
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3239
21:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:19334
21:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Val Hum Fem Law), 5345 points, T:4244, inhumed by a lynx
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22:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] apaya (Val Dwa Fem Law), 178 points, T:405, killed by a water moccasin
22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Darothok (Zyb Faw Mal Neu), 14921 points, T:5955, killed by a monster (smaxorn)
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22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 161 points, T:711, killed by a small mimic
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22:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 146 points, T:419, killed by rsa's ghost
22:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17607
22:43 <bouquet> sokoban zoo had 2 BoH.
22:53 <Umbire> One prize and the other RNG?
22:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 127 points, T:912, killed by a boulder
22:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:18586
22:59 <rld> <@riker> hah
23:00 <rld> <@riker> !tell AntiGulp I'm curious - did you pin down why spl horror stats shuffle on save/reload? is the issue that the existing code is bugged or just lacking, and works as intended for now
23:00 <Beholder> No worries, @riker, I've got this!
23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:19706
23:08 <aosdict> @riker permonsts aren't saved, so if the code works by "start game, shuffle stats of the shambling horror" it will either rerandomize every time or use the default stats always after the first reload
23:08 <aosdict> depending on whether the shuffle is set to happen on game init or session init
23:08 <rld> <@riker> ah, makes sense
23:08 <aosdict> (it seems obvious that it shouldn't really be done on session init)
23:09 <aosdict> dunno what spl's actual implementation is like
23:10 <K2> game init
23:10 <K2> we share same code, with differences
23:11 <K2> if it were session init, a player could save/reload until they got a harmless shambling horror
23:12 <rld> <@riker> which is the current state?
23:12 <K2> current state is game init, you get whatever, save/reload it resets back to base template in monst.c and stays that way until game end
23:12 <rld> <@riker> ah
23:12 <K2> because no persistent bits of code in save/restore.c
23:13 <K2> so that means...
23:14 <K2> for evilhack and splicehack, since you dont see horrors until later in the game, unless you started a game and played all the way thru without saving, any horror you encountered would be worthless
23:14 <K2> hah
23:14 <K2> makes session init sound better
23:14 <{Demo}> it's hard to not crucify about this
23:15 <rld> <@riker> aosdict: are permonsts not being saved new in 3.6?
23:15 <aosdict> permonsts have never been saved
23:15 <K2> !tell AntiGulp we need to address shambling horror persistient state sooner rather than later hahah
23:15 <Beholder> AntiGulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
23:15 <aosdict> they're program data
23:15 <rld> <@riker> that's really weird, since dnh has no issue
23:15 <aosdict> they never change
23:15 <rld> <@riker> and it just has struct permonst * in u_init like spl
23:15 <K2> @riker the wat 3.4.3 did it is different
23:15 <aosdict> until someone decided to have the idea of a monster whose stats do change
23:16 <K2> *way
23:16 <{Demo}> yes because dnh implements it properly from spork
23:16 <rld> <@riker> and then nero messed it up
23:16 <rld> <@riker> and made them really mean
23:16 <K2> the save/restore code in 3.6.x is different from earlier versions
23:16 <rld> <@riker> ah
23:16 <K2> at least thats how I saw it
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23:17 <rld> <@riker> and I guess you don't just want to save it as part of the player's struct? lol
23:17 <{Demo}> aren't nethack 3 saves stupid simple?
23:17 <rld> <@riker> demo are you really surprised 3.6. messed that up
23:18 <K2> welp its worth another look
23:18 <{Demo}> it's not even that
23:18 <{Demo}> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.18.0/src/save.c#L313
23:18 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> I just got the message "You are in full health."  What is that referencing?  The wiki doesn't have a listing for that phrase.
23:18 <{Demo}> if u don't write/restore the modified pm struct, get fucked
23:18 <rld> <@riker> ichbinmiah: it's new to 3.6.x I think, it just means you have full hp
23:18 <rld> <@riker> it interrupts waiting I think
23:18 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> ah ok
23:19 <rld> <@riker> so you can type 100. to wait until full hp
23:19 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> gotcha
23:20 <{Demo}> Riker how'd Nero break horrors?
23:20 <rld> <@riker> he didn't break them
23:20 <rld> <@riker> just made them mean :(
23:20 <{Demo}> oh?
23:21 <rld> <@riker> have you tried fighting demonic desiccation horrors
23:21 <rld> <@riker> preferably covetous for maximum fun
23:21 <{Demo}> no, sounds mean
23:21 <rld> <@riker> I had one that was whirly demonic covetous, resisted slash/blunt/pierce I think, had a dessicate engulf
23:21 <rld> <@riker> fastest rlyeh since GC lost covetous
23:22 <{Demo}> fuck when they resist attacks
23:22 <{Demo}> that's what fucks me up
23:22 <rld> <@riker> covetous demonic is the worst combo imo - esp on notele
23:22 <rld> <@riker> since unless you can kill them quick they tend to summon more
23:22 <{Demo}> what is demonic?
23:22 <{Demo}> they can hellp?
23:23 <rld> <@riker> MA_DEMON
23:23 <rld> <@riker> aka they gate
23:23 <rld> <@riker> yeah
23:23 <{Demo}> nah fuck that
23:23 <rld> <@riker> it sucks and honestly I think that and MA_ANGEL should be blocked from horrors
23:23 <rld> <@riker> thematically and balance that
23:23 <rld> <@riker> *balance-wise
23:23 <{Demo}> what's MA_ANGEL do?
23:23 <rld> <@riker> no clue
23:23 <rld> <@riker> i think grimtooth maybe, idk
23:23 <{Demo}> balance wise
23:23 <rld> <@riker> btu I meant for completion
23:23 <rld> <@riker> no, that's just thematic
23:23 <rld> <@riker> block extraplanar things that aren't MA_ALIEN
23:24 <rld> <@riker> yeah MA_ANGEL isn't even a thing nvm
23:24 <rld> <@riker> I meant MA_MINION I think
23:25 <Umbire> Yeah, it's MA_MINION to denote divine servants of gods and such
23:25 <rld> <@riker> dnh abuses that to the ends of the earth
23:25 <Umbire> Chaotic minions include demons though
23:25 <rld> <@riker> considering things like edderkops are MA_MINION what
23:29 <Umbire> Well I'm going off vanilla so
23:29 <Umbire> Iunno enough shit about the overhauled K in some variants
23:31 <aosdict> I think it's only dnh with the overhauled K.
23:31 <aosdict> Maybe some other variants declare the Kops too silly and remove them, but I think only dnh replaces them
23:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4174
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2482 points, T:4780, killed by a mumak
23:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 3585 points, T:2653, killed by a lynx
23:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24327