00:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 320 points, T:358, killed by a coyote 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1308 points, T:2442, killed by a giant ant 00:12 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 656 points, T:3417, killed by a little dog 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 301 points, T:1103, zombified by a gnome zombie, while praying 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2399 points, T:4646, killed by a rothe 00:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 498 points, T:1069, killed by a giant bat 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3031 00:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 368 points, T:1754, killed by an arrow 00:34 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1481 00:34 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 00:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 10770 points, T:5292, killed by a carnivorous ape 00:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given the Kiku-ichimonji, on T:14224 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 518 points, T:1823, killed by a giant ant 00:44 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 256 points, T:2664, killed by a jackal, while helpless 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 743 points, T:4099, killed by a hobbit 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 20 points, T:385, killed by a fox 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3561 points, T:2768, killed by a giant mosquito 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 9 points, T:137, killed by a falling rock 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 29 points, T:194, killed by a falling rock 00:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1379 points, T:2793, quit 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 11 points, T:344, killed by a newt 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 100 points, T:345, killed by kicking a wall 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 128 points, T:239, killed by a hobbit 01:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:40320 01:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:40637 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 333 points, T:882, killed by the wrath of Thoth 01:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:41219 01:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Daemon, on T:41303 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered Hax, his faithful kitten, on T:533 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 98 points, T:657, killed by a newt 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1901, died of starvation, while fainted 01:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Glasya, on T:41537 01:19 -!- moon-child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 01:19 -!- moon-child has joined #hardfought 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 334 points, T:656, killed by a gnome 01:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:42293 01:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42465 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lyft (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 208 points, T:1499, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 01:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44223 01:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:44379 01:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:44432 01:37 <@riker> fake 01:38 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha), 3318 points, T:1514, killed by a monster (firefighter called NatsumeLuckyuro) 01:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] monistowl (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 6922 points, T:5233, killed by a Woodland-elf 01:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:46439 01:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of magical breathing named knew I forgot something", on T:46594 01:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Death, on T:46723 01:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Cha), 6802759 points, T:46758, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1581554477.dnh.txt 01:54 <@riker> ugly game 01:55 <@riker> never had reflection or fixed abilities, skipped like 3 demon lords, only one altar in the main dungeon 01:55 K2: sorry, I thought klintos was playing evilhack. but being a 3.7 bug makes much more sense, with the move to lua. 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2927 points, T:3294, killed by a hill orc 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 176 points, T:709, killed by a killer bee 03:31 I had such a strange bug, went downstairs to level 5 and the level seemed to be only that one square I ended up on 03:31 couldn't move, see anything, or teleport away 03:31 all I could do was go back upstairs 03:32 you are the 3rd person to encounter that 03:32 I went to the mines to get a digging tool but got killed there 03:32 oh! 03:32 is it in fact possible to dig in that situation? 03:32 yes 03:33 maybe? 03:33 is the whole level rock? 03:33 looks like it 03:33 I mean is there anything except that one square? 03:33 obviously you can't dig down until you get off the stairs 03:33 but it looks like minetown is buggy 03:34 this wasn't minetown, it was just a dungeon level 03:34 down from level 4 which had the mines entrance 03:35 then it should have been oracle 03:36 ah yes, that's possible 03:38 my minetown wasn't buggy, it was orctown 03:39 I chased an orc up the stairs and there it killed me :-( 03:42 <@Suzune Takada> strange minetown 03:43 <@Suzune Takada> only giant ant and I can't go amywhere 03:43 <@Suzune Takada> except upstair 03:43 lol, same situation 03:43 you have a giant ant? I had nothing except rock 03:43 <@Suzune Takada> because of buggy bonefile? 03:43 !who 03:43 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] SuzuneTakada [nh370] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh370] elenmirie [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 03:44 <@Suzune Takada> crashed 03:44 I see your crash suzune 03:44 <@Suzune Takada> program disorder 03:44 "having both displacement and invisibility simultaneously is just invisibility unless you are fighting monsters that can see invisible." 03:45 so if I have displacement, I don't want to be invisible(?) 03:51 it's interesting that you encounter that so often 03:51 I have to go 10 to 20 times to minetown to get it 03:51 locally 03:52 and apparently the oracle does it too 03:53 <@Suzune Takada> I think something is bleeding edge 03:54 now I've got a completely normal oracle 03:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 535 points, T:2276, killed by a giant spider 04:20 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:31 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:36 <@Suzune Takada> plz remove "crashed" bone files 04:52 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:08 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:22 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Inc Fem Neu), 688 points, T:702, killed by a kobold lord 07:42 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed Stefan, on T:1306 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed the Kisuke, on T:1690 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed Njusha, on T:1691 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed Moldoux, the Defenceless Mold, on T:1693 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed the invisible The Invisible Man, on T:1694 07:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1572 07:51 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha), 1700 points, T:1694, killed by a monster (great wyrm of power) 07:56 oof 07:56 [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha) killed the invisible The Invisible Man, 07:56 [hdf-us] [gh] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 166 points, T:732, killed by a falling quarterstaff 07:57 -!- hdf-guest-29 has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 07:59 Is it possible for the Invisible Man to not be invisible? 08:00 i assume when he gets cancelled 08:00 That makes him not invisible? 08:00 its like invisible stalker 08:00 so the monster name should just be Man 08:00 terrible bug, literally unplayable 08:04 heh 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 154 points, T:1585, killed by a bat 08:09 <{Demo}> invisible invisible man 08:09 isn't there a queen song 08:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdxd718WXg 08:11 freddy rocking the infinite funky glasses 08:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:15 ^^something is wrong with livelog 08:16 I just picked up the luckstone 08:16 oof 08:16 completed soko ages ago 08:16 did we get new livelog events :o 08:16 and now everything is out of synch 08:16 maybe 08:29 the devteam is restructuring in-game achievements 08:30 they added a "reached Minetown" for instance 08:37 ooh boy 08:48 Ugh there was a big change to the way achievements were recorded in the last update and I had to fix some stuff when merging livelogs... I'll have a look at it. 08:53 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 08:54 whoever here gave me this head cold... i hate you 08:55 Oh yeah I see what I did... 08:55 enum achivements { 08:55 ACH_BELL = 1, /* acquired Bell of Opening */ 08:55 Who starts counting at 1?? 08:55 * K2 raises his hand 08:57 wait, did 804499d change the bits of the achievementws? 08:57 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/804499d9bed9733096e70b550768ddad5feb0888 08:57 bhaak: no I added something extra for the livelogging and made an assumption. 08:57 static const char *achieve_str [] = { 08:57 "acquired the Bell of Opening", 08:57 You see the problem... 08:57 oh 08:57 yeah 08:58 * bhaak still hating bits for recording stuff 08:58 do we have POCOs in C? 08:59 or hashmaps 09:00 the language is capable of supporting things that act like hashmaps 09:00 not as cleanly as c++ would though 09:00 i see 09:01 of course c++ has std::unordered_map so you really wouldn't have to implement anything yourself 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law), 1026 points, T:2207, killed by a pony 09:02 of course 09:02 o.O 09:04 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 09:04 ^ fixes livelogging bit 09:05 \o/ 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:43596 09:05 you'll want to save/reload current game if you were playing when i updated 09:05 not crucial by any means 09:06 I wonder if the devteam will ever migrate nethack to c++ 09:07 of all the "rewrite nethack in X language", c++ is the only one that's trivial to do, and can then gradually refactor in parts of code later 09:07 <{Demo}> fuck C++ 09:07 as opposed to things like python or rust which would be a ground up rewrite 09:08 Linley Crawl was "C, but I like C++ comments" and has gradually morphed into C++ 09:08 but my guess is that the devteam is too old school for c++ and won't ever move on from C 09:08 <{Demo}> if you wanna rewrite nethack in a low level modern language. rewrite it in a modern language, not any of the bjorny shitdick bullshit 09:09 {Demo} wait dont hold back. tell us how you really feel 09:10 <{Demo}> oh I don't actually care 09:11 <{Demo}> I think nethack would be better off if it was in C++ 09:12 aosdict|work: Rust is getting easier :) 09:12 yeah it will be rust 09:12 if any 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:38659 09:12 Intentionally rewriting it seems like making a rod for one's own back but it wouldn't hurt to allow C++-isms, especially if all the stuff that stops it not being permissible C++ is gone anyway 09:12 which compiles to wasm whcih means we could play nethack natively in the browser 09:12 do you have a C++ for VMS? 09:12 *C++ compiler 09:13 Pinkbeast: I wouldn't hold my breath, we just got past the years of "so... seems like we AREN'T supporting any systems that lack gcc compilers" 09:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6619 09:13 actually we still may not be at that point come to think of it 09:14 <{Demo}> rewrite nethack in rust please 09:14 nobody seriously wants to rewrite nethack 09:14 I think we're still at "there are probably systems we support that only have C89 compilers" 09:14 <{Demo}> zapm did a good job at what it did 09:15 i think at some point people are like 'wait, why am i porting this ancient piece of crap software with all its bugs and shit, i could just write my own roguelike' 09:15 stennowork: that's why I predicted it would be c++ if anything. you could throw nethack into g++ right now and it would build 09:15 stennowork: you should now at least 3 people that already did that :-). not in a different language, though 09:15 bhaak: gcc ? 09:15 ahh just looked 804499d now. That's not live on hdf yet, but it should merge fine. 09:16 [hdf-us] [spl] plord (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 124 points, T:701, cut down by a water moccasin 09:16 aosdict|work: Are you suuure it doesn't do anything prohibited in c++? 09:19 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) stole 145 zorkmids of merchandise from the used armor dealership of Kalecik on T:1013 09:19 [hdf-us] [spl] plord (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:111 09:19 Nah, there are probably void* assignments and stuff like that that would break in c++ 09:22 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1357 points, T:1420, killed by a falling object 09:24 elenmirie_ those last 2 livelog events, those correct? 09:25 yes 09:25 \o/ 09:27 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 511 points, T:1105, killed by a gnome lord 09:30 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 488 points, T:911, killed by a gnome 09:33 -!- lorimer has quit [Client Quit] 09:34 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 09:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Otis, her faithful little dog, on T:1763 09:44 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 278 points, T:664, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:48 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 09:48 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Bye.] 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:46172 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18590 09:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict|work] by ChanServ 09:56 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 10:09 <@ichbinmiah> I'm a touch wary of poking around with 3.7 more until that "all stone floor" bug is addressed 10:09 whats that about? 10:09 <@ichbinmiah> you go downstairs into a floor apparently composed entirely of rock 10:10 the level doesn't get created properly? 10:10 <@ichbinmiah> my game yesterday had it occur in the first gnomish mine level, raisse had it in regular dungeon dlv5 10:10 hrmp 10:10 <@ichbinmiah> mmhmm 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:9981 10:11 <@ichbinmiah> suzune tekada seems to have seen it in the mines too, so that was three people in one day yesterday 10:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3075 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19987 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a throwing spear entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:46927 10:19 It's very similar to a bug previously seen in one of the early 343-based variants. Grunt or Spork, I think. 10:20 yeah that sounds really familiar 10:20 The level gets its stair locations set in the level data structure, so the stairs WORK, but the terrain types don't get set in struct rm, so you can't see them. 10:20 Some bug in level gen, obviously. 10:21 The precise details need to be worked out yet. 10:21 In terms of what causes it. 10:22 na, I think the spork bug was different, as the player was positioned on 0,0 or 1,1 10:22 level flipping IIRC 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:46981 10:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Inc Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Gauntlets of Spell Power", on T:10426 10:32 Ah. 10:32 I may be thinking of a Grunt bug then. 10:33 But my memory is fuzzy, so it's possible I'm just confused. 10:34 The main thing I remember is that the level knew where the stairs were, and going up or down at those locations worked, but the tile itself didn't know it was supposed to be stairs. 10:34 the sporkhack and grunthack bugs were different, as in the stairs werent placed anywhere at all 10:34 Hmm, if there were two different bugs, it's possible I'm getting them confused with each other in my head. That would explain why some details are vague. 10:35 Apart from the standard human-memory-is-unreliable explanation. 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:47099 10:38 jonadab I am right there with ya. i get behaviors and features confused, trying to remember stuff across all these variants 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5616 points, T:4390, killed by a rope golem 10:40 <@Tone> So do these bugged 3.7 games become unwinnable? 10:41 no 10:41 the stairs still exist 10:41 i guess you can dig until you find the > 10:41 just you cant see them 10:42 <@Tone> So you can walk to them? 10:42 devteam is aware of the issue, hoping its a quick fix 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:12258 10:45 jonadab: the all rock thing didn't happen in grunt though right? 10:46 it's almost certainly from the new lua special level generator 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:39927 10:49 YANI: nethack levels in non-euclidean space. 10:49 -!- kritixil1 has joined #hardfought 10:49 Jeff Lait's "Jacob's Ladder" does that (or Hyperrogue, in a more straightforward fashion) 10:49 technically a grid is already non-euclidean 10:50 -!- kritixil1 is now known as kritixilitho 10:50 I think that depends on whether one regards the discrete grid positions as just part of the representation 10:50 right 10:51 Oh , "Jacob's Matrix" 10:51 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51 stennowork: yeah, I guess 10:52 Things passing through grates (or not) strongly implies to me the universe doesn't consist of discrete locations 10:52 what I more mean is that level interchanges would not be restricted to one up/one down 10:53 So ah not very non-Euclidean? 10:53 i.e. levels with more than two staircases than can lead to literally any other floor. 10:53 more like: you could find a "downstair" on DL14 and take it and end up on DL6 11:00 aosdict|work: If it's from the lua splev generator, then obviously it's distinct from the bug I remember; but I seem to remember all-rock levels showing up in Junethack for some players, yes. 11:00 There is of course nothing saying that can't happen for a different reason than before.l 11:01 stennowork: Usually when we say "non-Euclidean space", we mean that you need non-Euclidean geometry at some level to understand it. So for example you're on the surface of an ellipsoid or something. 11:02 Though topologically-non-Euclidean spaces, such as a the surface of a torroid, would also qualify. 11:03 Anything you can't represent as part of a plane, really. 11:03 *toroid 11:03 torus surface is nice because you can represent it with a perfect grid based coordinate system 11:04 i.e. there are no scaling inconsistencies at any point along the x or y axis 11:04 Technically, some parts of the grid have to have the grid lines farther apart than other parts. 11:05 Of course topologists don't care about that. 11:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 442 points, T:7267, killed by a rabid rat 11:05 But yes, torus is easier to put a rectangular grid on, than a sphere. 11:07 For some reason, nobody ever models their computer game's levels as being on the surface of a Klien bottle. 11:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:16790 11:08 Though I think someone might have done a side-scroller on a mobius strip at some point. 11:11 on reddit, a player asked about the all-wall-level bug, and afterwards said 'I was hoping it was a challenging new feature' 11:11 If it were a challenging new feature, it should be deeper into the dungeon than where we've been seeing it. 11:12 Perhaps a new branch that gets inserted between the Castle and the Valley when you perform the Invocation Ritual. 11:12 EPI: ^ 11:12 we already have plane of earth 11:13 True. 11:14 But the Plane of Earth doesn't have a Mysterious Force that sends you back down into Gehennom. <-- EPI 11:15 :I 11:15 jonadab: wouldn't a side scroller on a mobius strip be indistinguishable from a simple loop twice as long? 11:15 Of course, we'd need a name for this new branch. Perhaps something like "Lichland" or "Archonia" 11:16 aosdict|work, you would be able to dig down to land at the opposite 11:16 aosdict|work: Only if you think of the mobius strip as having potentially different things on opposite faces. 11:16 opposite faces..? 11:16 i thought moebius strip only has a single face :) 11:16 Well, yes. 11:17 so how would that work 11:17 Well, if you make the thing out of paper, you can draw different things on each "side" of the same part. 11:17 only to a certain extend 11:17 But if you think of the mobius strip as only being two-dimensional (albeit, twisted in a third dimension that beings inside the strip can't see), then you come to the *same things*, but flipped to opposite chirality. 11:18 This latter way of looking at it is more mathematically useful when extended into higher dimensions e.g. with the Klein bottle. 11:19 if you cut a klein bottle in the middle you get two orthogonal moebius band 11:19 s 11:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:19 Only if you cut through the crosscap. But yes. 11:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:3035 11:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 293 points, T:1181, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- kritixilitho is now known as kritixilithos 11:37 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:17865 11:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 137 points, T:1003, killed by a bat 11:39 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 384 points, T:1022, killed by a gnome 11:39 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:47578 11:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 617 points, T:1686, killed by a boulder 11:51 -!- stenno is now known as Guest32777 11:51 -!- Guest32777 has quit [Killed (wilhelm.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 11:51 -!- stennowork is now known as stenno 11:51 -!- Guest32777 has joined #hardfought 11:52 -!- stenno is now known as stennowork 12:01 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 12:03 I have minetown with the bug now, I can see all the creatures with telepathy 12:03 came downstairs next to a leppy that stole some of my money and teleported away, and a ghost came to stand next to me and I could kick it to death, but I can't move 12:03 (except upstairs) 12:04 I have no digging tool, I'll try to convince one of the dwarves to lend me one 12:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:19635 12:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 429 points, T:4374, killed by a werejackal 12:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14972 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:5347 12:40 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Alucard, on T:52209 12:43 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:44 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 644 points, T:2168, killed by a little dog 12:44 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 386099 points, T:64676, quit 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8912 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "historic thoroughly blessed unlocked diluted very empty +5 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance named i bet i can fly with this", on T:40156 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4142 13:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a mithril plumed helmet entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:49785 13:04 -!- kritixil1 has joined #hardfought 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 23684 points, T:10081, killed by an air elemental of Chih Sung-tzu, while fainted from lack of food 13:05 nope 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2156 points, T:3449, killed by a fire ant 13:05 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 1115 points, T:2981, quit 13:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 113 points, T:256, killed by a tower of flame 13:07 TOWER of FLAME 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 87 points, T:167, killed by a small mimic 13:08 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (human), on T:97 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 33 points, T:97, killed by a scroll of genocide 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7649 13:18 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] playultm8 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 250 points, T:1201, killed by a boiling potion 13:36 [hdf-us] [slex] AsrielDreemurr (Wiz Red Fem Cha), 12670 points, T:2892, quit 13:37 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:38 -!- Guest32777 is now known as stenno 13:40 -!- kritixil1 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:41 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:41 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Clk Fem Cha), 21842 points, T:3359, quit 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:51109 13:43 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50 K2: we are not able to locally reproduce the stone level issue. 13:52 sounds like the 3.7 devs added a cool new feature :) (y) 13:52 <{Demo}> what 13:52 <{Demo}> oh 13:53 half the people are annoyed, half the people think it would be a cool level 13:53 3.7 is a really cool game, because it adds so many new features to vanilla! all the variants should pull the new vanilla stuff! :D 13:55 K2: I tried both vanilla 3.7 as well as 3.7-hdf 2b7886876 13:55 K2: can you give us your hint file? 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:51370 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:92551 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:92556 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:17627 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:92583 14:13 bhaak - https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/blob/3.7-hdf/sys/unix/hints/hardfought 14:14 <{Demo}> baby got bhaak 14:16 bhaak: we've never altered any .des files nor anything in mklev.c or the like 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:92829 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:92832 14:17 you never know. as we can't replicate it yet, I want to try to minimize the differences 14:17 gotcha 14:17 i'll start trying on my end 14:18 i left work early a couple hours ago, sinus cold and a low grade fever. i feel like poo 14:18 bhaak make it better 14:18 here take these html dumplogs 14:19 mmmm 14:19 i feel better already 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:52222 14:20 just open up the userdata folder in a web browser, sit back and browse through all the html dumplogs of the players 14:20 what if the bug is due to html dumplogs? 14:20 wow I think I just got an idea for my next vacation 14:21 what if something is missing from one of the makefiles 14:21 hmm 14:21 i can run a diff check 14:22 have you seen the thread on /r/nethack? half the posters think it would be a cool new level design 14:22 i havent read it since i posted my comment 14:23 how is a level full of rock cool 14:24 a level full of X, E, rock moles and digging dwarves 14:24 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 14:24 Makefile.dat and .src are identical, so nothing left out there 14:24 bhaak: so, the Plane of Earth 14:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:24 they want the plane of earth 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 658 points, T:1815, killed by a giant bat 14:24 boss, da plane! 14:25 ^ if you get that, you're fuckin old 14:25 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:25 K2: I thought you denied being old 14:25 i dont know what you're referring to 14:25 aosdict|work: somewhat. 14:26 You're getting old when you can remember when Metallica didn't suck 14:26 I've been meaning to see that biopic about Herve 14:26 lol Pinkbeast 14:26 you're old when the music you listened to in college is on the classic rock stations 14:26 ... mind you I think at the point actual adult humans were younger than my keyboard, I'd crossed that line 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:12541 14:27 do they play 80s rock on classic rock stations? 14:27 is that old enough to be classic 14:27 yeah 14:27 and even some 90's 14:28 how about, you're old if you know what a radio station is 14:28 or rotary dial 14:28 and no, spotify and pandora don't count 14:28 (what happened to pandora? I haven't heard about it in years. did it die?) 14:28 or the 'extra' VHF and UHF channels on a TV 14:29 A friend of mine was showing her colleague a cartoon about Dorothy Parker. Parker is typing when she runs out of ribbon, so she goes out to buy some. We see the ribbon slide out of her thought bubble to be replaced with a cocktail glass. In the last panel, she staggers home, thinking "I'll buy ribbon tomorrow". 14:29 the first remote we had in our house was my dad throwing shit at me to get me to change the channel 14:29 Her colleague said "but why did she stop working to go out and buy ribbons?" 14:30 hahah 14:30 "When your bike is past the retirement age", but that's cheating because my bike is older than me 14:31 when i was 11? 12? i learned to type on my grammy's old typewriter. I made my first ad&d missions on that thing 14:31 no it wasnt electric 14:31 no doubt I would understand that cartoon if I saw the artwork but I don't get it just in text form. (I know what typewriter ribbon is but don't get the glass thing.) 14:32 I learned to type on the one my mother did her PhD on, which was awkward because it was a custom layout which combined 1 and l, 0 and O, maybe one or two others, in order to cram in the maximum number of pure maths symbols 14:32 aosdict|work: She gets distracted by booze. It's not a very funny cartoon, it serves only as substrate for the anecdote about my friend's colleague. 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:52388 14:35 Ahem. You know you're getting old when you started with Hack 1.0.3. (Insert "rogue", "3.1.3", "Moria", "Omega" to taste) 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 39750 points, T:13587, killed by a troll 14:38 I seem to remember a bad old time when your race defined your class, at least if you played Elf 14:38 I suppose that's 3.1.3? 14:38 3.2 14:39 It was only Elf, and I had an Elf in 3.2.2 - the other races and independent race/class selection came in 3.3 14:39 bhaak - when I use our wizmode/debug hints file (https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/blob/3.7-hdf/sys/unix/hints/linux-debug) I get these warnings - https://termbin.com/c0u0q 14:39 I've a bit of a soft spot for it because in red box D&D the demi-humans were class-races 14:39 could any of those be related somehow? 14:39 Also in 3.2 and before every class had only one alignment. 14:41 in an old SLASH version (before the EM got merged in), hobbit/doppelganger/dwarf/possibly some others were also roles :D 14:41