00:00 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:04 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Bar Inf Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:4233 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 451 points, T:1114, killed by a kitten 00:10 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Bar Inf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a black naga, on T:4604 00:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17254 00:11 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 12317 points, T:4652, sent to the grave by a troll 00:14 That looks like it was a series of events 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5695 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:8947 00:18 -!- talkingleaf_ has joined #hardfought 00:18 sour 00:20 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20 -!- talkingleaf_ is now known as talkingleaf 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:40680 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:52260 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Rog Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3846 00:38 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 00:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:18201 00:41 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 2 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41561 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed ring of free action", on T:41589 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9743 01:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:19375 01:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1862 points, T:3036, killed by a giant ant 02:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a green dragon, on T:9814 02:54 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1652 points, T:1502, killed by a coyote 03:17 !who 03:17 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] SuzuneTakada [nh370] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 03:17 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I have not seen that happen on a "who" previously. 07:38 heh 07:39 !who 07:39 K2: [hdf-us] Frozty [nh370] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [evil] lacca [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:39 3 woooo 07:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:04 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- hdf-guest-39 has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:552 08:34 HI 08:34 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:35 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 08:47 <{Demo}> HI 08:47 Hello {Demo}, Welcome to #hardfought 08:48 SALUT 08:48 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 08:49 Guten Tag 08:49 Hello LarienTelrunya, Welcome to #hardfought 08:49 Aloha 08:49 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 08:49 Bonjour 08:49 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 08:49 damn 08:49 Beholder polyglot 08:50 Nihao 08:50 ohaio 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law), 489 points, T:1061, killed by a soldier ant 09:32 so much for that :( 09:32 go team ant? 09:33 I knew it was a chance going down the mines so early. 09:34 should be fine as a dwa valk tho tbf 09:34 soldier ant can kill you in 2 moves 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 857 points, T:1842, killed by a vampire bat 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 465 points, T:1250, killed by an imp 10:10 @luxidream lets do a segmented speedrun for april 1st 10:10 april fools joke 10:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:11 <@luxidream> what, we all run different parts of the game? 10:13 <{Demo}> lmao what 10:13 <{Demo}> get adeon as well 10:13 <@luxidream> Round robin speedrun 10:14 I'll be in charge of inventory. You like being Burdened, right? 10:14 <{Demo}> get tariru to come back and streak 10:14 <@luxidream> Tariru has a 1:59 10:14 <@luxidream> So he can help us 10:14 we run different parts but each parts starts with custom items 10:14 part 10:14 like someone rushes to the castle, and the next segment starts at the castle, but with the equipment of a 'normal' run 10:15 <@luxidream> so really bad splicing? 10:16 yes 10:16 FAS, where you can only play with a cat on the keyboard 10:17 <@luxidream> idk 10:18 i mean how else would you do it 10:18 <@luxidream> I think a round robin speedrun would be more fun 10:18 sure 10:18 but for round robins, its like the run is as weak as the weakest link (me, most likely) 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3270 10:19 its like adeon and you are so much better than the rest of us that it will be difficult for us 10:20 <@luxidream> I’m pretty reckless, you should see me playing dcss 10:21 well you gotta be reckless in speedrunning :P 10:22 <@luxidream> Well it’s not a problem being slow imo, but if I hold down a button into a minotaur in gehennom everyone has to start over 10:22 <@luxidream> err, valk can probably survive 10:22 <@luxidream> Mind flayer 10:23 Demogorgon 10:24 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25 <@luxidream> really I want to do an acehack multiplayer run though 10:25 <@luxidream> if it ever makes it to hdf 10:25 Would be quite the thing. 10:25 Condict: finish the game without it crashing 10:26 <@luxidream> Is it really that bad 10:26 In our experience, it is. 10:26 Getting engulfed crashed the game. 10:26 yes 10:26 and it is super obnoxious to play lmao 10:27 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:27 <@luxidream> I thought it behaved somewhat normally if the players were on different levels 10:28 It does, yeah 10:28 regarding certain things, yes 10:28 only when we're both on the same level, things get messy 10:28 also if one player saves while the other still plays? 10:28 someting was about that 10:28 Don't do it in a shop 10:29 or one player restarts the game and has to wait until the other one joins too? 10:29 something nasty 10:29 <{Demo}> theres a lot of variant devs now, why are they all not ballin enough to take another stab at multiplayer nethack? :) :P 10:29 It also leads to the situation where one player gets overwhelmed in combat, calls the other player for help, but then they have all the time in the world to actually get there. 10:30 well thats fine 10:30 onto the same level, at least. 10:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 67719 points, T:21719, killed by a fire giant 10:30 {Demo}: multiplayer nethack is demonstrably obnoxious 10:30 <@luxidream> Bold of you to assume that there will be teamwork 10:30 Especially if whatever we're fighting is right next to the entrance. 10:30 haha 10:30 mm~ 10:30 <{Demo}> not if u innovate the game of what it means to be multiplayer 10:30 <{Demo}> as u have helped with with ur contributions to tnnt 10:30 multiplayer nethack probably works only if the other player(s) aren't slow-asses whom you constantly have to wait for :P 10:30 I mean, with my system there probably will, at least. 10:30 It'd be fun to be able to drop in and take control of a random monster near a player 10:31 And AceHack forbids any form of attacking each other. 10:31 Including self-genocide. 10:31 you still die, but your target doesn't. 10:31 Then what if one player needs to do something taking a lot of time, like stash management? 10:32 gotta coordinate that stashes are on different levels 10:32 a solution would be to not have both players on the stash level at the same time, yeah 10:32 <{Demo}> multiplayer nethack doesn't have to mean doing exactly what acehack did 10:32 <{Demo}> think outside the box 10:32 mm... 10:32 IMHO real multiplayer would mean the players have to wait for each other even when on different dungeon levels, so the turn counter always shows the exact same value for both :P 10:33 otherwise, it will always devolve into "make sure you're never on the same level as the other player" 10:33 That does remind me of Dragon Quest's multiplayer mode a bit 10:33 i guess the share box in tnnt comes closest to sensible multiplayer 10:33 <{Demo}> get more creative 10:33 Maybe 10:33 <{Demo}> yes, tnnt is the closest we have gotten to functional multiplayer now, even though that isn't its goal 10:34 in Dragon Quest IX, all players' games are pretty much independent of each other when you aren't in the same area, but when players meet up, one might experience a sudden change in the day/night cycle 10:34 maybe other things I haven't seen. 10:35 could also consider: a player kills a unique so it wont be generated in the game of the other player unless its already generated 10:35 oslt 10:35 So no quest boss? 10:35 all we accomplished by adding the swap chest is now people want xnh/evilhack/splice to add swap chests 10:35 Or leader maybe 10:36 <{Demo}> im gonna think of some interesting multiplayer ideas 10:36 for example - here we would just generate the items required for the invocation otherwise 10:36 I found what happens when someone dies in AceHack multiplayer kinda interesting, depending on how you roleplay it 10:36 They can still re-enter the game, but someone has to make it back to the starting room without also dying. 10:36 <@luxidream> Does the other person keep playing? 10:36 @luxidream yeah 10:37 maybe for multiplayer we'd have to re-think the invocation items and required items in general 10:37 <@luxidream> That seems like letting them off really easy 10:37 maybe there is a mechanism for one player to copy the invocation items for the other one 10:37 <@luxidream> Do you lose your items at least 10:37 or generally unique albums 10:37 items* 10:38 and the only interface will still be the swapchest 10:38 You do not; it could easily become overpowered, yeah, because you potentially also get another cloak of magic resistance 10:38 multiplayer nethack should probably reduce the actions that take turns 10:38 inventory management being one of them. 10:38 if you don't wanna become realtimy :-) 10:38 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 10:38 i don't think it makes sense for multiplayers to actually play the same game 10:38 i like it more with swapchest and events 10:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:20041 10:39 if player 1 raids the castle, and its not generated for player 2 yet, the level that gets loaded is like the castle ruins oslt 10:39 I mean, you could have a second player explore the dungeon left behind by an earlier player but that would probably be... not very fun? everything would be pre-looted 10:39 like bones? 10:40 so we still have seperate games, swapchest as interface, and events for unique levels/monsters/items 10:40 Andrio, pretty much yep 10:40 with a seedable game, you could play the same dungon, in different instances 10:40 tournament style 10:41 oh yeah 10:41 <{Demo}> yeah, that's always an option but kinda hard to figure out what to do with it 10:41 hmm unnethack is _fully_ seedable right? 10:41 seedable games would be cool 10:41 the dungeon is fully seedable 10:41 but not monsters/events? 10:41 monster should be the same, if you have the same XP when entering the dungeon level 10:41 how did nht pull off his 235-turn speedrun? :D 10:41 ah right 10:41 lots of things depend on XL and the like 10:42 hot take: monster difficulty (at least for monsters generated at level creation time) shouldn't depend on player XL at all 10:43 that would avoid some pitfalls 10:43 but again, quest thingies 10:43 another hot take: neither should gear enchantments 10:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:20063 10:43 oh never mind 10:43 quest is precisely _not_ the issue then 10:43 <@luxidream> don’t you need really high XL to get higher gear enchantments? 10:43 Sokoban? 10:44 rne has a cap that depends on your experience level. 10:45 @luxidream you need to be at least XL 18 to randomly generate +6 stuff, 21 for +7, etc 10:45 it's stupid 10:46 YANI: a relatively accessible way to determine the magnitude (but not the sign) of the enchantment on an object 10:46 <@luxidream> usually people aren’t looking for gear at that point, and it’s still incredibly rare 10:47 <@luxidream> so it doesn’t really matter? 10:47 in slex, items have a higher chance of getting fake artifact names the higher the enchantment magnitude is; I think Nethack Fourk has a similar system 10:48 Do they otherwise become artifact-y, like randarts? 10:49 well in slex they do get some benefits, such as IIRC reduced erosion odds 10:50 LarienTelrunya: and xnethack (I stole fourk's) 10:50 heh 10:50 they're not really fake artifacts so much as just an indication that hey this is a good weapon 10:51 however, there's no similar indication for armor or rings 10:51 <@luxidream> Because it’s easier to determine the enchantment of armor and rings 10:51 slex has it for weapons and armor, not sure if I did it for rings or implants too 10:52 It helps to address the problem of the sea of useless junk with one good object in it 10:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:20072 10:52 <@luxidream> You would need a stethoscope and rigorous testing to find the enchantment of a weapon 10:53 <@luxidream> Or you could sell the weapons 10:53 The greater ease of discovering armor and ring enchantments is offset by the fact that most players won't bother using those easier methods without confirming that they're noncursed 10:53 which takes time and effort 10:53 well, unless you have a pet around I guess 10:53 <@luxidream> travel to the nearest altar 10:53 and who would test the piles of ring/chain mail dropped by soldiers, anyway? by the point you encounter soldier hordes, you probably have better armor anyway 10:54 <@luxidream> drop [ 10:54 LarienTelrunya: Boots and gloves and helmets, maybe? 10:54 also, I have some plans to make other types of rings charged... those would not directly affect visible stats, so determining their enchantment wouldn't be trivial by wearing them 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5515 10:55 the interesting one is going to be merging hunger and slow digestion 10:56 <@luxidream> I think fourk made stealth chargeable but it doesn’t seem to do much 10:57 searching, hunger/slow digestion, conflict, maybe stealth 10:58 Regeneration? 10:58 ah yes that too 10:59 chargeable teleportation and polymorph might be interesting but might be too complicated 11:00 i see a SimpleHack variant 11:00 just streamline and simplify all the complex mechanism 11:01 <@luxidream> would you also implement your idea of safer caps on charging rings? 11:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:01 I want to say a simplehack would be too boring to draw players' attention 11:01 hmm idk 11:01 @luxidream you mean the one where you get warned that it might explode? oh definitely 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:6033 11:02 probably also only after porting L's Scroll of Enchantment mechanics 11:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Ogresmasher", on T:40477 11:02 because charging is too rare 11:02 L desu 11:02 <@luxidream> well currently they explode anywhere after +1 11:03 do they still post so much on rgrn/bilious 11:03 <@luxidream> I thought he was ancient history 11:03 I don't think I've heard directly from L in any form since I first got into nethack 11:03 @luxidream yeah but most of his patch designs hold up 11:09 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 11:10 stenno: I would like to see a SimpleHack 11:10 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Quit: talkingleaf] 11:11 been looking through the historic versions 11:12 hah 11:12 to be fair, 1.3d is still pretty simple 11:13 the simpler it gets, the closer it would get to DCSS :P 11:13 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 188658 points, T:26809, killed by an Angel 11:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 1024 points, T:4010, killed by a bolt of cold 11:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:40663 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a two-handed sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:14456 11:30 -!- aosdict|work has quit [Quit: aosdict|work] 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13063 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) averted death, on T:14788 11:32 oops 11:34 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to him by Mog, on T:15068 11:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:40975 11:37 item 2 of 2 i cant use 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2916 11:38 gauntlets of fumbling :P 11:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of drain resistance", on T:41038 11:41 stenno: that's what I've been thinking. too many backgrounds/species though 11:42 right 11:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a two-handed sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:16055 11:47 omg mog you piece of shit 11:47 mog = omg 11:47 a company we work for is called gom 11:47 just gmo 11:47 which is gen manipulated organics? 11:47 oslt 11:48 genetically modified organism 11:48 organism modified genetically 11:48 omg 11:49 do you get the two-handed sword skill unlocked in that case? 11:51 no. regular gear is centered around what your role/race is 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:9268 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:9384 12:02 Mog gave you fumble gloves?? 12:02 Some of these gods are real assholes, I tell you 12:09 <@malor> Is “post163” a member of discord or irc? Somehow they play over and over and continually die to rising injuries? 12:11 -!- aosdict|work73 has joined #hardfought 12:11 malor: they also play on NAO as pots164 12:12 -!- aosdict|work has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:12 I always assumed it was a bot in development or something 12:13 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:15 unfortunately not 12:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:17 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a knife entrusted to him by Mog, on T:18646 12:22 * K2 sighs 12:22 [hdf-us] [fh] Gurnisson (Karlton) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 11477 points, T:447, killed by a fox 12:24 stabbed in the back by Mog 12:24 Mog synthesizer 12:27 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:27 -!- aosdict|work73 is now known as aosdict|work 12:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:20168 12:29 ok... i can work with that 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed tinning kit", on T:22847 12:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 1041 points, T:5636, killed by a bolt of cold 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 6983 points, T:4283, killed by an elf zombie 12:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:42 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 12:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:47 <@riker> k2: idea, non chaotic gods won't give fumbling / helms of OA? 12:47 <@riker> chaotic ones presumably find it amusing 12:47 i think all the gods find it funny to fuck with mortals 12:47 <{Demo}> new bug idea, why am I not a chaotic god in variant X 12:48 {Demo}: you are the chaotic acu god in slex IIRC? :D 12:49 <{Demo}> yeah, slex patched that bug 12:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 10859 points, T:4196, killed by an Uruk-captain 12:52 <@riker> k2: I feel like opp align should be removed at least, unless it's a test of faith? 12:53 think of it this way - none of the gods are aligned as mortals are. they do as they please, the alignments were created as a game so they'd have something to do 12:54 and we are but witless pawns 12:54 [hdf-us] [fh] Romano (Karlton) (Mon Hum Mal Law) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:2812 12:54 lol 12:55 you know all the gods are sitting at the same table drinking cocktails and having a good time watching us fuck around 12:55 'oh look, i think i'll gift k2 some fumble boots... hahahahahah!' 12:55 good one mog, good one! 12:55 <{Demo}> I would too sometimes if I were them 12:55 reminds a bit of the shinigami of Death Note 12:56 <{Demo}> but then also sometimes I'd throw out some dhide speedies 12:57 bored gods playing with the mortals just for entertainment 12:57 mortals = fidget spinners 12:58 lol 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:3112 13:02 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 dragonhide gauntlets of protection", on T:22031 13:04 muahahah throne wish 13:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1422 points, T:792, killed by a falling object 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2096 13:07 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:08 <@riker> did you get the 5? 13:10 <@riker> LOL, I'm looking at mobile ssh clients because I want to spectate k2s game 13:10 <@riker> and one of them has literal screenshots of nethack on the page 13:11 <@riker> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.connectbot 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4916 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 5524 points, T:4933, killed by a water moccasin 13:13 no i didnt get the +5 13:13 sad face 13:16 [hdf-us] [fh] Romano (Karlton) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 44726 points, T:4042, quit 13:17 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:17 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:48586 13:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 4093 points, T:5725, killed by an ettin zombie 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 218 points, T:337, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 697 points, T:3002, killed by a giant spider, while helpless 13:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41315 13:30 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:23882 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 222 points, T:345, killed by a riding accident 13:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law), 3614 points, T:3831, killed by a gnome king 13:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:42087 14:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- stennowork has quit [*.net *.split] 14:00 -!- tungtn has quit [*.net *.split] 14:00 -!- khoR has quit [*.net *.split] 14:02 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by tolkien.freenode.net 14:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:42263 14:05 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 14:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:43138 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:31194 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:26417 14:28 -!- hdf-guest-39 is now known as harlakk 14:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:43508 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 248 points, T:865, poisoned by a rotted gecko corpse, while praying 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law), 62770 points, T:17224, killed by a rock troll 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:49390 14:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 1717 points, T:2321, killed by a snake 14:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:03 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 15:28 -!- pots163 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 344 points, T:964, killed by a lava demon 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed erodeproof +2 sunsword", on T:49566 15:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:46397 15:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed SuzuneTakada's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:7283 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 621 points, T:1613, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 7600 points, T:7355, killed by a dwarf lord 15:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:8085 16:01 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:10 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helping hand", on T:47817 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh4] Arrietty (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 33468 points, T:5203, killed by an Uruk-hai 16:16 the gnomes native to the mines appear to have become proficient in archery 16:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 1123 points, T:4075, killed by a gnome mummy 16:16 <@John VI> They have to be good at ranged combat, spells and arrows and stuff, the stubby arms make melee tough 16:18 can they even draw a bow fully? K2 pls 16:19 they're battle gnomes 16:19 k2: found a staff that i can't type name 16:19 (it's matter) 16:19 Give 'em crossbows 16:19 weird 16:19 battle gnomes... 16:20 Get your battle gnomes off my lawn 16:20 the battle gnomes organise an assault on your kitchen 16:20 we have 2 of 'em at the house 16:21 Dig in around the toaster and return fire from the high point of the grill 16:22 ricochet off the fridge and weaponise the blender 16:22 (my parents have an old gas cooker from '43 where the grill is on top so it can spit hot fat into your eye) 16:23 useful against battle gnomes 16:23 have you hugged a battle gnome today? 16:24 as a matter of fact, yes I have 16:25 I've 1) been to the work and 2) gone to the pub so no 16:26 s/to the work/to work/ 16:26 no battle gnomes in the pub? 16:26 some pub. 16:26 I have not looked into all the nooks and/or crannies 16:27 there, you see? 16:27 they are there 16:27 always watching, always waiting 16:29 And yes, if gnomes are going to do archery, it should probably be with crossbows. 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Glasya, on T:48576 16:29 how bout gnomes with laserbeams on their frickin heads 16:30 <@John VI> Gnomes with sharpened point hats that fly off and impale people 16:30 thermonuclear devices hidden under their funny pointed hats 16:30 <@John VI> *pointy 16:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Daemon, on T:48659 16:30 <@John VI> The wizard of Yendor was secretly a gnomish wizard all along 16:32 a bright magenta G 16:34 It's bad enough being watched by ceiling cat 16:34 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Und Dro Fem Cha), 501 points, T:771, killed by a hobbit 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:36148 16:39 go team hobbit! 16:41 For her birthday my co-developer ceb asked people to come up with an A5 page to be bound into a book 16:41 I had http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/temp/ants.svg.png 16:42 You slip the leash around your Fiesty's gnome mummy. 16:43 k2: fiesty was a tame black dragon that a salmander polyed 16:44 wait... what? 16:44 You slip the leash around your Fiesty's gnome mummy. 16:44 its correct 16:44 used to be my tame black dragon but a salamander kept zapping polymorph around and hit him 16:45 so instead of neck it says gnome mummy 16:45 so it seems 16:45 oh. 16:45 or whatever it should be for mummies 16:45 can you record that on the etherpad please 16:45 i gotta go 16:46 np. url again? 16:46 i wonder how you would construct the sentence with 'neck' 16:46 You lip the leasah around your Fiesty's gnome mummies neck? 16:46 hothraxxa: I think this is it: https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack 16:46 no, it's fiesty the gnome mummy 16:46 thanks elenmirie 16:47 Saying "gnome mummy" instead of "neck" sounds like weird rhyming slang 16:47 i seen it in death messages 16:47 cockney slang 16:47 yeah 16:48 it's the absolute weirdest linguistic thing i've ever learned of 16:48 [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed amateurhour's giant zombie, the former Novice, on T:1678 16:49 Would you like to take a butcher's at more of it? 16:49 I'm off down the frog to the rub-a-dub, give me a ring on the old dog and bone me old china! 16:49 take that, amateurhour 16:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 What ho, chaps, cabbage crates over the briney 16:50 i'll not be boning any old china 16:50 You slip the leash around your amateurhour's 16:50 You slip the leash around your invisible amateurhour's ghost, the former Initiate 16:50 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:51 You slip the leash around K2. Ahaahaha! Make all divine gifts -5! 16:51 can you actually tame ghosts btw 16:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52 The corpse can be of a polymorphed form if the target died while in another form, e.g. from wearing an amulet of unchanging. 16:54 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:54 griefer bones dying on DL 4 polyselfed into black dragon 16:55 play evilhack for extra added griefiness! 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 499 points, T:1795, killed by a rabid rat 16:56 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:02 stenno (Val Hum Fem Law), disintegrated by stenno's black dragon, the former Adventurer 17:03 would be pretty funky 17:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "+2 silver long sword", on T:27006 17:09 get to dlvl 10 of the mines, teleport trap to dlvl 2 17:09 head back, dlvl 10 of the mines, teleport trap to dlvl 1 17:12 lol 17:12 oh i guess woodchucks are more common in splicehack 17:14 K2 I think I just had a bug, where my martial arts knocked back an orc riding a wolf 17:15 and the wolf was able to attack despite the icon being one square back 17:15 just guessing, but it might be that the orc received the knockback, wasn't applied to the steed 17:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:21 -!- aosdict|work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59529 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59543 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law), 2266 points, T:3816, poisoned by an orcish arrow 17:25 I am really scared of whoever Dagul is in this mine's end variant 17:30 oh 17:30 Dagul was myself all along 17:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:35 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:32049 18:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 18:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 18:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Karlton (Pri Hum Mal Law), 37963 points, T:3285, killed by a winter wolf 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:23068 18:15 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:16 [hdf-us] [fh] Karlton (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2665 points, T:160, escaped 18:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7461 points, T:4978, killed by a giant mimic 18:38 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:24273 19:00 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 37998 points, T:14961, dispatched by an energy vortex 19:00 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Arc Inf Fem Law), 4223 points, T:4156, mowed down by a fire ant 19:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Arc Inf Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 daggers on an altar, on T:4547 19:25 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:42 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:5916 19:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a club entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:37578 19:57 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Arc Inf Mal Law), 10189 points, T:8518, killed by a blue jelly 20:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 1363 points, T:1595, killed by a giant spider of Mog 20:26 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "rustproof blessed +2 speed boots", on T:33896 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:25345 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25346 20:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:35 I'm planning on renaming the Dark One, considering "Anaraxis the Black" or something like that. Comments, suggestions? 20:37 <@riker> how did you get "anaraxis"? I'm curious 20:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 37253 points, T:3520, killed by a gnome queen 20:39 <@riker> !ping 20:39 @riker: Pong! 20:40 @riker nowhere in particular 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] SuzuneTakada (Sam Hum Fem Law), 668 points, T:1812, killed by a giant bat 20:41 the "the Black" epithet is to keep with the lotr-wizard-like tradition of giving them color epithets, as with Neferet 20:44 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] JimH (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 875192 points, T:35095, drowned in deep water 20:54 my vote is to rename The Dark One to 'Steve' 20:54 or go the monty python route,m rename him to 'Tim the Wizard' 20:55 or was it Tim the Sorcerer 20:55 i forget 20:55 <@riker> the enchanter? 20:55 ah yes 20:55 Tim the Enchanter 20:56 I think I like 'Steve' better 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:26548 21:04 Tim isn't particularly villainous anyway 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hobgoblin corpse on an altar, on T:3174 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3005 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3887 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2661 points, T:4020, poisoned by a rotted mountain nymph corpse 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:3433 21:25 <@riker> huh, that breaks illiterate? TIL 21:39 <@John VI> I like the implication that all you have to do to make Sting is just crudely scratch the word Sting onto the side of a dagger 21:39 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14290 21:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:33180 21:59 Breaking illit by naming artifacts is one thing I disagree with the devteam about strongly enough to revert their changes in xnethack 21:59 one of the few things, I should say 22:00 look at the database entry for Sting. does he grab a sharp rock and carve "Sting" in crude letters on the side of the elf-blade of Gondolin? no 22:01 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 22:01 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest82937 22:01 -!- Guest82937 has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 22:01 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2588 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3258 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 184 points, T:362, killed by a boulder 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:16761 22:31 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:35 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 22:37 [hdf-us] [fh] Karlton (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of rahl, the former Acolyte, on T:12204 22:40 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Rog Mer Nbn Cha), 152 points, T:430, killed by an electric shock 22:45 <@riker> so I find a random amulet. check it's uncursed, put it on, no auto-ID, so I figure it's reflection/unchanging/poison/etc. 22:45 <@riker> find another of the same kind, this one cursed, into the bag it goes 22:46 <@riker> and then I finally end up with 3 - all stashed, since I don't really want the hunger 22:46 <@riker> turns out it's lifesaving, and now I've got 3 of those 22:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Rog Mer Nbn Cha), 269 points, T:1174, taken down by a dwarf 22:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Val Ang Nbn Law), 218 points, T:323, murdered by a water moccasin 22:58 Neat. 22:58 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:04 [hdf-us] [fh] Karlton (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:15159 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:27687 23:20 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 23:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 23:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2957 23:25 K2: New Splice version may be worth updating to. Fixes the highly critical issue of werebears being unsolid. It also includes a fix for the game segfaulting when trying to save bones files, but who cares about that am I right 23:25 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2020-02-03 13:21 EST: the first time is because an older coredump already existed and didnt overwrite. no sure why it wasnt generated the 2nd time (I cleared the coredump). the raven thing should be fairly easy to reproduce based on the conditions described 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:27766 23:36 I just figured out how to use regexes in vscode’s search 23:36 I feel so POWERFUL. 23:37 <@riker> congrats lol 23:39 If the whole “coding in C” thing wasn’t a giveaway for how much of a nerd I am, there’s always my quiet obsession with regexes 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6668 23:40 <@riker> regexes (regeese?) are pretty neato though 23:40 antigulp, do you get frustrated when your backwards regexes don't work? 23:40 as in lookbehinds 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:27892 23:40 uuuuugh yes 23:40 ? 23:41 <@riker> I hate lookbehinds, but they're so cool at the same time 23:42 like say you want the last few bits of an ip address, you might write (?<[09]+ 23:43 [hdf-us] [fh] Karlton (Pri Hum Mal Law), 55495 points, T:18853, killed by a winged gargoyle 23:43 \d+\.\d+\.\d+\.(\d+) 23:44 like say you want the last few bits of an ip address, you might write (?<([09]+\.){4,})([0-9+]) 23:44 too bad that's not going to work 23:44 ~~You can do that with strtok though~~ 23:45 what does strtok do? smoke a string in a joint? 23:45 convert a string to something that's ok? 23:46 It's the C library version of a string split function 23:47 with a bit of cumbersome memory initialization you have to do on your own though 23:47 Maybe, yeah. 23:48 You do need to know how it works. 23:49 and you can't just subscript -1 to get the last part of a string like in some languages 23:49 Well, you can do it in those languages too. 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:28125 23:51 [hdf-us] [fh] Ytteb (Karlton) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 8691 points, T:339, quit 23:52 int main () { char str[] ="- This, a sample string"; printf ("%c\n",str[-1]);return 0;} 23:52 I have no idea what that will print but it will probably not print "g" like what ends str 23:52 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 23:53 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:54 It might print 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' 23:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:6796