00:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 7453 points, T:2484, killed by a lightning bolt 00:01 bouquet :/ 00:03 ? 00:04 Oh, you saw the Demosplat 00:04 !lastgame bouquet 00:04 yeah 00:04 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1579926367.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 00:04 i was indisposed last couple hours 00:05 Can't even tell if they tried to cure the illness or not 00:05 Got hit twice with more illness attacks, never helps 00:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1603 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:29197 00:28 bouquet, you wore a tuxedo? 00:28 what were you doing, crashing demo's wedding? 00:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 5923 points, T:2739, killed by an elf mummy 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:22071 00:49 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29922 00:52 >chasing a nymph 00:52 >jumps onto a polymorph trap 00:52 >bugbear, then quasit 00:52 >tries again and becomes the same exact kind of nymph 00:53 The funny part is it was fleeing the entire time 01:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 51939 points, T:15308, killed by a werewolf 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3756 points, T:5536, killed by a bolt of fire 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered Fido, her faithful little dog, on T:1609 01:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 986 points, T:2425, killed by a giant mimic 01:39 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 393 points, T:913, killed by a gnome 02:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 404 points, T:1068, killed by a giant bat 02:21 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:24 DemoGmoney is my biggest challenge. Hate that guy. 02:25 He was kind of wandering around the level and I thought I might be able to hightail it to the upstairs but he caught me. 02:25 Stun locked me and I couldn't do anything. Totally frozen. 02:26 F 02:26 was considering blowing a wish on a cursed potion of gain level to skip him. Should have done that. 02:26 Might as well stone him then 02:27 as soon as I was close enough to do that he stun locked me. 02:27 oh 02:27 ruined my tuxedo 02:28 I think AntiGulp made demo extra double tough for splice. As if he needed that. 02:28 >turns into an air elemental 02:29 how does Demogordon stun lock? 02:29 well, I was stunlocked... I assumed it was demo. Maybe there was an A nearby 02:30 anyway, I gotta get up in a few hours. l8rsk8rs 02:32 o/ 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:13518 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1475 points, T:4515, killed by a soldier ant 02:45 Go team a! 02:45 siiigh 02:45 !lastgame oh6 02:45 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1580538454.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1578226948.nh.html 02:46 Ah, E word didn't proc 02:46 Feels bad 02:48 now it's a monk - let's see how long it takes me to break weaponless by accident 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:14547 02:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed oh6's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:14850 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 19495 points, T:14885, killed by a dwarf lord, while praying 02:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 474 points, T:1415, killed by a gray ooze 03:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4400 03:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4725 04:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 04:43 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:47 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2454 points, T:2250, killed by a giant ant 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10942 05:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1396 points, T:2037, killed by a giant badger 05:42 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 07:08 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 07:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 2348 points, T:1213, killed by a garo, while fainted from lack of food 07:41 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 1220 points, T:1215, killed by a pony 07:54 YANI: At Skilled, the wizard lock spell can be targeted on any point in a radius, so you don't need to be in line with whatever you want to lock. 07:57 <{Demo}1> I support 08:02 YANI: At Expert, it might lock everything within that radius 08:05 Andrio, that'd make Export worse than Skilled in some situations 08:05 Maybe 08:05 yeah you never want to have higher skill effects maybe worse than lower skill unless you can select the skill level you want 08:08 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 08:09 It is nice that UnNetHack lets you do that with fireball and cone of cold 08:10 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: brb] 08:29 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 08:39 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 171 points, T:266, killed by an invisible gnomish wizard 08:56 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 09:13 hi 09:13 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:14 <{Demo}1> good morning k2 09:14 o/ 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Nobbs' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2098 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a robe entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1927 09:21 -!- misha has quit [] 09:22 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1827 points, T:2975, killed by a killer bee 09:31 !who 09:31 K2: [hdf-us] Grouchy [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [evil] Graznop [nh370] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 09:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:35 Morning 09:35 hey 09:35 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:35 so i just did a boo boo 09:35 stop for a sec 09:36 asking me if I should overwrite old save file 09:36 i thought i was in my wizmode folder 09:36 I assume Y 09:36 yes 09:36 morning 09:36 error'd 09:36 yeah 09:36 i accidentally overwrote the main eh folder ugh 09:37 everything is restored from backup but it screws up current games 09:37 oh that sounds not good! 09:37 no... my dumb ass isnt awake yet 09:37 Is this why it told me "program in disorder" a bit ago? 09:37 if it was from a min or 2 ago yeah 09:37 It was... 30m ago? 09:38 is my healer hosed? 09:38 oh no thats different 09:38 no its not 09:38 get out of the game, i'll show you 09:38 I'm out 09:39 while I was in ludios, a NPC stone to flesh'd himself, and got a "obfree: deleting worn obj (189:131072) /n Program in disoorder" 09:39 Probably because he had a ring that turned to meat? 09:39 or something like that 09:39 ugh ok 09:39 cuz I saw a meat ring in his bag after he died 09:39 i've done that before 09:40 (more than once) 09:40 ok you'll need to exit the game 09:40 oh you';re out 09:40 ok yopu can go back in 09:40 k2: can giants be engulfed? 09:40 fuuuuk 09:40 no 09:41 sweet 09:41 * aosdict resumes months-old evilhack game 09:41 where did these dragonhide gloves come from 09:41 VaderFLAG you can resume 09:41 ok 09:41 haha 09:41 My dark knight 09:41 Back from demi-godness! 09:41 oh shit really 09:41 i have dragonhide gauntlets of protection. they are bomb. Regular dragonhide gloves are pretty badass too though 09:42 VaderFLAG save that game please, cant play it twice 09:42 ok 09:42 Saved, exited 09:42 ok one sec 09:42 when did you start this healer 09:42 Let's see... I ascended the knight yesterday morning 09:43 so right after that 09:43 ok 09:43 Started playing this morning an hour ago or so 09:43 didn't play overnight 09:43 congrats on the knight, vader!!!!!!!! 09:44 ok VaderFLAG now try 09:44 thanks! evil knight super fun 09:44 I knew you were gonna beat me to it (i'm still playing the giant monk) 09:44 Success. this is from... less than an hour ago 09:44 whew ok 09:44 but still... sorry 09:44 gdammit 09:44 Do I need to save/leave it alone for a bit, or? 09:45 no its fine 09:45 Groovy 09:45 thanks 09:45 no thank you 09:46 K2: for some reason, travel seems to be getting stuck on crossing a diagonal gap between water squares 09:46 Excited to see what new Ludios map looks like. Didn't see it/find it in my knight game 09:47 i think there are a couple of them? 09:47 (same with castle) 09:47 Oh wonderful 09:48 regular travel or auto? 09:52 How'd you get the dragon, vader? Bones? 09:53 Poly trap 09:53 nice 09:53 though I did get one via bones, then he got eaten by the zoo anaconda 09:53 oh minetown? yeah that can be a tough level 09:53 damn mastodon has killed me quite a few times 09:54 Yeah my 21hp level 1 healer wasn't ready for the tiger racing at him 09:55 nooo i don't want gifts 09:55 oh Beholder didn't report my endowment, did my save getting messed up break our connection? 09:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:57 i need to restart beholder 09:57 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 09:57 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org 09:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:58 you should make a trigger that detects things like "restart beholder" and has it say "I'm sorry, K2. I'm afraid you can't do that." 09:59 Hehe, only thing I really lost in the brief rollback was an incredibly lucky 2 out of 3 id scrolls doing my whole inventory 10:00 :/ 10:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:01 It's fine I know there's an ID spellbook in here now so 10:02 daily backups save me from my sleepy not awake yet self 10:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:70754 10:11 Hmmm how do I dispose of a giant zombie corpse 10:11 tin it 10:11 put it in a chest and lock it 10:11 dip it in a forge 10:11 throw it in lava 10:12 I forgot about tinning -- the others require picking it up which i can only do overtaxed 10:12 then can't do anything with it 10:13 polymorph it (if you have the spell) 10:14 do you instant-die if you eat zombies, or do you have chance to horn yourself 10:14 in grunthack the timer starts when you start eating, and you do not stop eating for it 10:15 so eating a large zombie corpse instantly kills you 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law), 607494 points, T:47913, drowned in a swamp 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:71040 10:19 if you eat a zombie, you'll turn into one 10:19 so dont do that 10:20 (tinning one is ok, cures the disease it had) 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1118 points, T:1403, zapped himself with a spell 10:22 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 222 points, T:688, killed by kicking a wall 10:28 Ok after much deliberation I have decided NOT to feast on the undead 10:30 Any changes to dunce cap/wiz hat in evilhack? 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) stole 1321 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Yildizeli's used armor dealership, on T:1286 10:34 no 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:21700 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:21701 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:21701 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 569 points, T:1712, zapped herself with a spell 10:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1678 points, T:1754, killed by a gnome 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 120 points, T:313, killed by a carnivorous bag 10:44 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 10:45 !tell bouquet The only thing more difficult about Demogorgon in splice is his lowered AC (and dark speech, but all unique demons have that). Otherwise, I haven’t touched him. I don’t want to blame RNG, but sounds like exceptionally bad RNG? 10:45 Will do, AntiGulp! 10:46 heh 10:46 sometimes that random extra move all monsters get since 3.6.x plays a factor 10:46 thats happened to me with demogorgon in evilhack recently 10:47 hothraxxa found my bones with demogorgon, he died too 10:47 Oh no! 10:47 but then i went back, found our dbl bones and avenged both of us 10:47 debating whether to fight demogorgon or skip him right now 10:47 hi AntiGulp *bundleling!* can I expect to see some new monsters and stuff being added to splicehack in the foreseeable future? ♥ 10:49 I’ve only run into demogorgon once in NetHack, and it was at the same time as Yeenoghu. Somehow, an aligned priest summoned *both* of them in a matter of about two turns. That was easily one of the tensest, most difficult fights I’ve ever won. 10:50 Hi Amy. No new monsters for a little while. I’m working on monster techniques, which are pretty time consuming. 10:50 aww 10:50 monster techniques, do you get them too if you poly in that monster? 10:50 Was it the Valley priest? 10:50 or the high priest of Moloch? 10:51 Andrio: I’m fairly sure it was one of the ones in the sanctum? It’s been so long I can’t remember. IIRC, that was my first run ever to make it to Astral (where I immediately splatted) 10:51 one time i went up the stairs to Orcus' level and he was already there? I don't think I even got a turn and he was summoned. Luckily i had a 'c' corpse wielded for Orcus anyway... 10:52 VaderFLAG that behavior you saw with grimtooth and not getting credit for the disease kill? fixed that 10:52 not live yet tho 10:53 No other game character has been able to instill as much panic in me as demogorgon. Everything’s fine, nothing can challenge you, and then suddenly there’s this purple ampersand in your face who can kill you in about three turns. 10:53 Ok groovy, I was about to ask about that since I got a "you killed blah" message from something diseased on the other side of the map. Didn't see any notes about it on github tho 10:54 LarienTelrunya: I mean monsters can use techniques, like the player can. For instance, some dwarfs can use rage eruption, and Master Kaen might call upon elemental fist. 10:54 AntiGulp: ahh, I seem to recall you were planning to make all-new techniques that only certain monsters get though? 10:55 LarienTelrunya: Yup, that too! Then the player will be able to steal them, and it’ll create a cool risk/reward mechanic, and everything will be groovy. 10:55 Or people will hate it and tell me so very explictly. Either way. 10:57 back in a bit 10:58 why would someone hate that? the idea is fun :) 10:59 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 10:59 LarienTelrunya: I feel very strongly that it’s an awesome idea, but it’s probably going to blow the balance even more out of whack for a while. *shrug* 11:00 yeah getting the pesky balance just right is difficult, I'm feeling that with slex's symbiotes 11:00 for a few versions they were dying like flies, but now they seem almost indestructible... 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6222 11:03 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 7476 points, T:6425, killed by an Uruk-hai 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 295 points, T:658, killed by a dwarvish spear 11:10 k2: what's the current state of sickness resistance? do healers gain it at any point? 11:13 Getting program in disorder errors in Ludios - placing Croesus <66,12> over wolf <66,12>.... 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23710 11:18 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 11:29 <@bugsniper> !who 11:29 @bugsniper: [hdf-us] rad [slshm] VaderFLAG [evil] hothraxxa [evil] post163 [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] sickopsycho [nh370] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [evil] lacca [nh370] fdsa [nh370] amateurhour [nh370] wvc [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:29 woo 11:29 [slshm] VaderFLAG <- huh. 11:30 oh nm it's after not before 11:30 :D 11:30 yay 11:30 Now that you're a demogod you can see what the rest of that chicatrice corpse tastes like 11:31 that was the first time I've used a cockatrice corpse in astral 11:31 and the first wizard I've ascended, so I was quite nervous 11:31 especially after Umbire showed a html dump of someone stoning themselves 3 steps from the altar in astral 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5746 points, T:3517, killed by a werewolf, while helpless 11:32 So your response is to give yourself a corpse that could stone you if you mess up just like that guy? :) 11:32 exactly :D 11:33 just make sure you don't faint from lack of food 11:36 the only safe food to eat on astral is non-cursed lembas 11:36 everything else has a chance to be rotten and can cause you to faint 11:37 my first astral splat happened because i was preparing to face famine so i ate a royal jelly 11:37 i passed out and had to watch pestilence and famine beat up on me until i was dead 11:38 ouch 11:40 congrats amateurhour 11:41 thanks, 5 more roles that I've not done before 11:42 i always have blessed lembas under a boulder on DL1 for astral 11:42 !rng bar kni pri ran rog 11:42 amateurhour: rog 11:45 i have a ridiculous amount of artifacts in this game. Maybe I should play for hiscore? 11:45 start collecting gems and whatnot 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6 points, T:109, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse 11:48 got the ol' ring of protection to +5. It's probably nearing time to be off to see the wizard 11:49 i'm thinking of wishing for this matter staff and seeing if I can cast reflection 11:50 Does it stack similar to haste self? 11:50 or is it like the protection spell? 11:50 Because I'd love to be able to wear lifesaving 11:52 just learned the spell and 72% fail :( 11:52 but with the matter staff... 11:52 then i could cast poly too ... 11:54 reflection stacks afaik 11:54 !lastgame bouquet 11:54 bouquet: Message from AntiGulp at 2020-02-01 10:45 EST: The only thing more difficult about Demogorgon in splice is his lowered AC (and dark speech, but all unique demons have that). Otherwise, I haven’t touched him. I don’t want to blame RNG, but sounds like exceptionally bad RNG? 11:54 bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1579926367.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 11:54 the rogue quest sounds really quite annoying 11:54 it is 11:56 <@John VI> What's annoying about it? 11:56 thanks hothraxxa.. think i'm gonna wish for it. God is giving me everything but 11:56 the final room not being connected seems rather annoying, and the hoarde of chameleons on top 11:57 ^^^ 11:59 ya, that's what's awesome and unique about the rogue quest. You need to be prepared. 12:00 is the high priest guaranteed to have a marker (evilhack) or is it a chance? 12:05 guaranteed 12:07 tx 12:08 I'm tempted to try evilhack, but I'm barely good enough at vanilla 12:08 tried a couple of games and got ganked in the mines by piranhas 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 staff of matter named hothraxxa", on T:71200 12:09 gah! 12:09 you matter :') 12:09 all hothraxxas matter 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of polymorph", on T:71203 12:09 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law), 458521 points, T:42478, offed by a priest of Amaterasu Omikami, while paralyzed by a monster 12:10 amateurhour: play evilhack, you will improve 12:10 reflection at 22, poly at 38. I'l take it... 12:10 any suggestions on which role to try? 12:11 and is aiming for minetown first still a good idea? 12:11 depends 12:11 i would go with dwarf valk for a role because that's the easiest 12:12 even without excalibur? 12:12 yes 12:12 i usually don't enter the mines until i've gone 3-4 levels below the entrance 12:12 i'd play a human neutral monk (but i'm biased because that's what I always play). But martial arts are beefed up in EH 12:13 monk is my favourite in vanilla to be fair 12:13 though I'd imagine an evil version of master kaen would be impossible? 12:13 i had weaponless going for a long time in this game 12:13 if you're comfortable with monks then go for one. as rebatela says, evilhack martial arts are great 12:13 he's not impossible 12:13 but scare monster doesn't work 12:14 master kaen hasn't changed except elberteh/scare monster won't work 12:14 I preferred chaotic in vanilla, because you'd decimate the mines anyway and the strange force would be trivial 12:14 elberteh realy really doesn't work 12:14 no mysterious force in evilhack 12:14 ^^ this 12:15 ooh 12:16 hmm, there's a lot more options for races now 12:16 still recommend human? 12:16 nope 12:16 don't listen to me. it's all i know 12:16 I'm playing a giant, fwiw 12:16 But that comes with a whole bunch of other pros/cons/challenges/advantages 12:17 I've definitely thought of playing elven or whatever else it offers 12:17 seems to have human/elf/dwarf/giant/centaur for monks 12:18 ah sod it I'll try giant monk for a bit 12:18 sorry in advance for the many embarassing death messages that'll follow 12:19 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:20 <@John VI> Playing monk is great until you find grayswandir lying on the ground. Then monk is the worst role and you can't believe you picked it 12:20 haha 12:20 that's happened to me 12:20 twice actually 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] rsa (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 305 points, T:1704, killed by a gnome 12:20 <@John VI> Same lol 12:21 once it was just lying on the ground. not bones or anything. just sitting there 12:21 <@John VI> That's exactly what happened to me 12:21 second time it was in the PERSEUS STATUE instead of the regular sabre 12:21 that happened to me in a game as well, I kept it on me so it'd end up in my bones :) 12:21 <@John VI> I decided to wield it anyway 12:21 <@John VI> It didn't go well lol 12:21 i ascended both times ;) 12:21 <@John VI> NICE 12:21 but i had already broken weaponless and didn't care 12:21 <@John VI> Perseus statue? 12:22 medusa 12:22 <@John VI> Ah 12:22 there's a chance that it has a silver sabre 12:22 and then there's like a 1/42 or something chance that any sabre will be grayswandir 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] sflicht (Sam Hum Mal Law), 849 points, T:1855, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:23 i'm probably way off. it might be more rare than that 12:23 <@John VI> That off chance that Perseus just happened to have a grayswandir in his bones file 12:24 amateurhour: you can pick up boulders... I didn't even realize this the first couple times I played giant 12:25 like, you can just carry them around and use them whenever 12:25 huh, that's neat 12:25 throw them at monsters... 12:26 spellcasting is a bitch though, if you're into that, until you can get a helm of brilliance and up your stats 12:26 are they not too heavy? 12:26 nah you can carry a bunch 12:26 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Sam Hum Mal Law), 86356 points, T:26421, quit 12:26 it used to be unlimited but he changed it 12:27 can they be enchanted? :P 12:27 I am comfortably carrying 10 right now along with my ascension kit 12:27 hi 12:27 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 12:28 hello 12:28 Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #hardfought 12:28 <@John VI> Ayy 12:28 amateurhour how's evilhack so far? or have you tried? i'm not seeing any death messages :P 12:29 I tried a couple of games a week or so ago and got destroyed in the mines so ragequit 12:29 trying it again now 12:29 ah 12:29 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 267 points, T:673, dispatched by a giant mimic 12:30 currently trying it as a giant monk :) 12:30 ahhh trained matter and now (with the staff wielded) polymorph at 12 fail and reflect at 0 12:30 so now i can cast reflect and wear life saving. w00t 12:32 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 29588 points, T:2602, killed by a kitten called "Eggs" 12:33 rotten eggs 12:35 hmm, how do I cross the mines river? 12:36 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 760 points, T:2237, mowed down by a dwarf 12:36 very carefully 12:36 as a giant you have more options than most - can grab some boulders and fill some pools 12:36 please don't ascend your giant monk before me... i will lose my mind. thanks 12:37 haha, I sincerely doubt that's likely 12:37 i have a lady friend on her way down from VT so i'm not gonna be able to play. i need to do this 12:37 amateurhour: just joking anyway. I am happy whenever someone ascends this hellish game 12:38 can you not twoweapon the game and entertaining your lady? weak. 12:38 from VT? whereabout? 12:38 I'm trying to think of it 12:38 town something? 12:38 you're killin me 12:38 the only VT I know is the VT100 12:39 oh god are you friends ? 12:39 small enough state we might be lol 12:39 does she know you're a computer nerd with a nethack addiction? 12:40 * K2 just described everyone here including himself 12:40 hey I can quit anytime... 12:40 I just don't want to, okay? 12:40 well, i think she was the valedictorian of my class of like 400 and was friends with all the nerdy kids playing D&D (I was too, but i was the stoner kid and didn't hang out with them ). I think she will be forgiving 12:40 going castle diving shortly: https://www.twitch.tv/ichbinmiah 12:41 hahah 12:41 ichbinmiah cool 12:47 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 12:48 this is going to sound like a dumb question 12:48 but can we walk in sewage? 12:49 yes, its shallow 12:51 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 12 mithril arrows on an altar, on T:3466 12:51 what just happened to me? 'you hear a low hum' 'all of a sudden you can see right through yourself' 12:52 magic traps can impart permanent invis/see invis 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1790 12:52 ^ can also take them away 12:52 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3028 points, T:3592, killed by a magic missile 12:52 huh, that's interesting 12:52 looks like you just got perm see invis 12:53 Wow, neat seeing a centaur get a smoky potion djinn wish then actually make the wish 12:53 :) 12:54 my illithid wizard game, i got a hostile djinn (you disturbed me, fool!) and it decided to keep the wish for itself 12:55 ^ rare occurance 12:55 What's the set of things they can wish for? this guy only wished for a gain level potion 12:55 one sec i'll show ya 12:55 k2: do healers gain sickness resistance at any point? 12:56 yes, at or around lvl 12 12:57 thanks. i though so. i have gold dragon scale mail at the moment anyway 12:57 VaderFLAG - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/muse.c#L3445 <--- that line on down 12:57 thanks 12:57 YANI: Triggering an anti-magic field removes any magical buffs or debuffs applied to you (e.g. speed, invisibility, temp see invisibility) 12:58 Wow I wish he would have picked basically anything else on that list 12:59 all up to the RNG :P 12:59 Oh boy I am so giving my wand of wishing to some random elf 12:59 That's gonna be fun 13:00 lol yessssss 13:00 in wizmode when i would test this, i'd make a 100 charge WoW, hand it off to an intelligent monster and just watch 13:02 wait til some punk soldier with a key gets to the castle wand chest before you, VaderFLAG... 13:02 you hear rummaging 13:03 I have already left my stash chest open for rummaging like 4 times now, what a nightmare 13:03 That's going to take more getting used to 13:03 right. always lock 13:04 also, beginning at dl13, always check doors for traps 13:04 an exploding door in evilhack will burn up stuff in your inventory 13:04 I lost a wood helm of speed that way I think :| 13:04 not just one check, either. even 5 (my normal) isn't always enough 13:05 got to minetown, can't use the shops as I'm invisible :) 13:05 as a giant you can drop a boulder on your stash and never pick it up again. that helps 13:06 there are a number of interesting boulder strategies for giants. determining them is left as an exercise for the reader 13:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07 i'll give you one. drop a boulder in a corridor, step back one, throw boulders at the sap on the other side 13:07 i like to keep 10-15 boulders 13:07 I'm hoping my next char is a giant or centaur 13:08 i haven't tried a centaur 13:08 tnagles ascended one, i think 13:09 giants are interesting. i enjoyed playing them BUT they have really limited strategies for armour 13:09 Ok some unidentified creature in Ludios is having its armor vaporized -- nothing on telepathy jumps out, what could be doing this? 13:09 Croesus cursing his own soldiers? 13:09 croesus isn't a spellcaster 13:10 usually that would be a black dragon or golden naga 13:10 doing the vaporizing, that is 13:10 There's an elven wizard, but why would he be zapping his fellow soldiers? 13:10 ah. they do have destroy armour 13:10 are the soldiers orcs? 13:11 It's a pretty multicultural army 13:11 evilhack has racial grudges 13:11 I haven't seen elves and orcs fight before, just undead vs living - that's fun 13:11 orcs and elves 13:11 that must be it 13:12 the armor thng sucks with giants but i'm at -43 (about to be 45), MR and reflection, MC3 and can still wear lifesaving. AND can spellcast ! although it took me 70k turns to get here 13:13 armor is a challenge with monks anyway... as far as getting MR and reflection without the obvious DSM 13:13 This elf is still trying to destroy the orc's armor, but he's naked so it's just giving him bad eczema 13:14 lol 13:15 And yes, the boulder strategies... THere's not a spoiler, ya know?? Kind of use your imagination as far as what you can do 13:16 I've been thinking about Astral this entire game. I don't have any genocide scrolls. But now I can cast poly... 13:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19 Acid potions only way to get to the ludios snipers behind bars? 13:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1294 13:20 my valk giant tried to block one of the riders by dropping a boulder in the doorway when i was leaving the first altar, but the rider seemed to walk right over it 13:20 i didn't see anything destroy the boulder 13:21 i should point out that i think that boulders shouldn't hinder the riders 13:21 i know they do in vanilla however. or used to 13:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 hothraxxa, i made the riders the ability to go around boulders like giants do in evilhack 13:24 yeah. makes sense to me 13:25 M2_ROCKTHROW i think is the flag 13:25 not to say i wans't disappointed, though 13:25 heh 13:25 nothing as powerful as The Riders should be stopped by a mere rock 13:25 agreed 13:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:29 well there goes that idea, hothraxxa lol 13:30 although I agree with that too 13:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 116 points, T:1186, killed by a hobbit 13:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 519 points, T:858, killed by a werejackal 13:36 how do I pick up a boulder? or even just stand over it 13:36 instead of just pushing it I mean 13:36 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 32718 points, T:2558, killed by a rabid rat 13:37 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 13:37 K2: Doesn't that mean they can also pick up and throw boulders? 13:38 Ideally, you'd have two definitions, one for monsters which can bypass boulders and one for monsters that can throw them. 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 191 points, T:1121, killed by an arrow 13:40 yeah they could 13:40 i havent seen one do it, but technically they could 13:42 what's a twisted staff, new item in evilhack or new appearance of quarterstaves? 13:47 amateurhour new staff 13:47 there's a few, wielding them can assist with failure rates in various spell skills 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 266 points, T:1070, killed by a boulder 13:48 ah right, that's really cool 13:48 hermes gave me a staff of healing early on. great non-artifact gift for a healer 13:49 by coincidence, though. it's not a guarantted gift and i don't think the sac gifts are biased 13:49 ie it was rngeezus being nice 13:49 oh, can't use mummy wrappings as a giant 13:49 they are to a degree, but yeah in your case hothraxxa it could have been any of the staves 13:49 guess I won't be buying those lamps from izchak :P 13:50 amateurhour: giants don't like being invisible until you're done with shops 13:50 he got it from stepping on a magic trap 13:50 i know 13:50 same type of trap can take that away 13:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:50 i know 13:50 but then you risk all the monsters you can get 13:50 (i know) 13:50 :D 13:51 i have been known to sit repeatedly on magic traps to get see invisible back 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9604 13:52 you evilhack novices should know that getting crowned asap is important 13:52 even as a monk? 13:52 yes 13:52 that's how you get see invisible normally 13:54 well, I'm resigned to shopless conduct for the time being 13:54 also, giants can wield two handed weapons in one hand 13:56 once you have fire resistance and can deal with the mobs, you can sit on a magic trap until you lose invisibility 13:56 a horn or bugle helps because you can scatter the mobs 13:58 I've just found a fire horn 13:58 do bugles still work as scare tools in evilhack then? 13:58 si 13:58 do they still work on elementals in the planes? :P 13:58 no bueno 13:59 i always use up fire/frost horns asap so they become like tooled horns 13:59 elementalsare mindless. cant scare something that doesnt have a brain 13:59 yes, but giants can't be engulfed 14:00 what do air elementals do then, just suck at you menacingly? 14:00 they get in your way 14:00 I've had to kill so many shopkeeps because of accidentally becoming invisible 14:00 i had to stop myself from replying with something inappropriate 14:00 oh say it 14:00 noooo 14:00 :D 14:01 lol 14:01 I'LL USE THE TEETH 14:01 omg 14:01 hah 14:01 :B 14:03 bugles are maybe overpowered in vanilla 14:03 but I'd rather see the water plane be made less annoying before they get nerfed.. 14:04 evilhack's plane of water is truly evil 14:04 water elementals can engulf you 14:04 you can't just genocide ; 14:04 can they move around so you're above water? 14:04 yet the portal is still annoying 14:05 it's the same as vanilla you can't walk or levitate over the water 14:05 but they can, can they do it while you're engulfed? 14:05 then you pop them, and drown 14:06 i got dropped into the water on evilhack astral 14:06 i survived but i was next to land so i could crawl out 14:06 that's... evil 14:07 that can happen in vanill afaik 14:07 there are still engulfers on water plane, like steam vortices 14:07 iirc merlek had a vanilla game where he fell via trapdoor into juiblex's swamp and drowned 14:07 that should be a bug 14:08 I told my tnnt teammate about it, so he started wearing ring of levitation on every floor in gehennom till he found juiblex's swamp :P 14:09 i died on EH plane of water (after completeing the other 3) to a water elemental 14:09 my fault though. I didn't know what i was in for.. in vanilla you can just melee them while engulfed without worry 14:10 i think my ac was like -75 or something and next thing i know i'm seeing my inventory... 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12016 14:11 wait, what happens when you melee them while engulfed? 14:11 i was strangled 14:12 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:12 do you want your possesions identified? 14:12 you need to wear magical breathing or use your turn to escape somehow 14:12 (or be a giant i guess lol) 14:13 there are things you can do... melee blindly isn't one of them 14:13 i always have magical breathing for evilhack plane of water if i'm not a giant 14:14 aaaaaaand i learned that lesson that day 14:14 elenmirie got caught on that one too 14:15 well that actually makes me feel better (no sarcasm.. she is very good at the game) 14:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:18 is my kitten vegan or something? they don't seem to be eating corpses 14:18 not sure if I should be throwing bananas at it or something 14:19 pets in evilhack stop eating when they're full. it's a blessing and a curse 14:19 they don't eat your sacrifice corpses any more but they won't eat a troll corpse either 14:20 tbf it's kind of a loophole that pets instadestroy the corpse so they don't ever get a bite-covered troll rising from the dead 14:20 evilhack is harder for pet mongers 14:21 because zombies 14:27 what's a forge? the evilhack page doesn't explain them 14:27 just mentions lava demons can come from them 14:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 14:28 I'm guessing there's many things introduced in other variants I haven't heard of 14:30 Also you can chuck annoying resurrecting corpses in them. Disclaimer, there might be consequences. 14:31 i havent gotten around to adding dungeon changes yet on the wiki 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] punk991 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2528 points, T:1490, killed by a giant spider, while fainted from lack of food 14:31 a forge is similar to a fountain, in that you can dip shit into them 14:32 amateurhour, if you have an iron piece of gear thats rusted, dipping it in a forge and repair it 14:32 you can also quaff from them with the obvious consequences 14:32 but they can explode and burn up your stuff 14:32 and as you saw, you can get lava demons 14:32 IMO k2 has done a great job creating spoilers... But, yeah there is only so much. It's part of what makes it fun for me... We are all learning/asking each other questions 14:33 * hothraxxa is the great spoiler 14:33 basically 14:33 you would think that dipping a rusty iron item into lava would just melt it 14:33 lol 14:33 not make it better 14:33 it's a forge, aosdict. how would you mend armor? 14:34 i know, learn repair armor spell! 14:34 \o/ 14:34 oh wait, xnethack doesn't have one. nm 14:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 6305 points, T:2451, killed by a bolt of fire 14:36 my first thought when seeing it was that you could melt metals 14:36 such an essential spell because your early gear gets all sorts of messed up 14:36 then take metals and create a different item 14:36 i still don't know what to do with forges 14:36 i stay away 14:36 they dont blow up on you anymore unless you're unlucky 14:36 i watched that dude melt the F down tho 14:37 has he ever been back? 14:37 no, that was exploding doors 14:37 and not that I know of, no 14:37 that was a door trap 14:37 really? I could have sworn a fire mage or something came out of the forge 14:37 it used to be fire elemental, now its lava demon 14:37 that happened just before. that's why he was triggered 14:37 but yeah the door traps suck. I could see myself ragequitting over that honestly 14:38 meltdown? dipped themselves into the forge? 14:38 he had a run of bad luck with evilhack features 14:38 hehe 14:39 amateurhour: it was a spectacular irc rage quit 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:29664 14:40 "F you are your game and the dragon you rode in on! This $hit SUCKS WHy is there a fire elemental on Dl2 ahfgakjhg akjhajkhga;pkdhgAljkg;lkgjh" 14:40 (parahprasing) 14:40 How is this guy FAST wearing this much gold? 14:41 haha, oh man 14:41 he's strong 14:41 his bling gives him power 14:50 Like Mr T 14:50 I pity da fool! 14:51 lol 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:37333 14:53 I know I have at least one identify scroll, but master mind flayer made me forget which it is 14:53 can't price id because of shops 14:53 reckon it'd be worth just reading one of the blessed ones and yoloing it? 14:54 or should I just go for sokoban and revisit this problem later 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:37335 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magical breathing", on T:37338 15:04 lol 15:04 oh dear, think this lava demon will kill me 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:948 15:08 my strategy in vanilla, as a spellcaster, is to try to not use any identify scrolls other than to ID the obviously important stuff. I view those scrolls as pollyfodder... Get your stats up and get the divination staff and you'll be able to cast ID 15:08 are you messing with the forges? we told you to stay away ! lol 15:09 no there was just one, and I went to kill it 15:09 turn before I killed it it spawned a bunch of his friends 15:09 and one of his friends had wand of poly 15:09 oh shit 15:09 yeah, wait til it happens when you're standning on you're stash!!! 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:37555 15:10 well, something similar happened in that I was overencumbered 15:10 dropped my sack 15:10 poly hit it 15:10 my equipment that was dropped from being poly'd also got hit 15:11 can't wear it 15:11 :'D 15:11 oh I see now why there was a lava demon 15:11 "Elenmirie's ghost becomes visible!" 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:37631 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class n, on T:37631 15:16 THAT felt amazing. 15:16 haha 15:18 a staff of escape, interesting# 15:26 YASI: Escape Rope item from Pokemon. When used, you immediately escape the dungeon. 15:26 including to the planes? 15:27 yet another speedrunning idea 15:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 23027 points, T:3292, killed by a scrap titan 15:32 https://www.twitch.tv/yogidamonk is entering the wiz tower live 15:36 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:3407 15:41 forgot I wasn't wearing gloves 15:41 :') 15:42 got past the 6 lava demons by using a wand of digging, was at the oracle level 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:22196 15:45 RIP 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Shinobars' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3546 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed notsogood's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:3552 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:3783 15:50 that was more fun than I was expecting though, guess I'll play again! 15:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 158 points, T:614, killed by a fox 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4675 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3752 points, T:4679, killed by a soldier ant 16:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Adept, on T:24763 16:34 is the MF nerf in the latest releases? 16:34 I think that's in 3.7 but not 3.6.5 16:36 your streamer will die a horrible death because he doesn't care about being burdened 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for his first artifact, on T:25052 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:25052 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:33582 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33590 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:11746 16:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:00 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Bar Inf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 mithril crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:5862 17:10 stenno: being burdened isn't that bad. i run around burdened all the time. i do try to be unburdened for certain things, like facing vlad in evilhack. in vanilla, however, i wouldn't care 17:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Inc Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:16679 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:28969 17:14 Yeah, burdened state isn't *always* a dealbreaker 17:15 unless going downstairs while wielding a cockatrice corpse, then it ends the game 17:15 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 17:15 i did that right after i did the invocation in one game 17:20 there have definitely been cases where i've suffered from being burdened, and some where it cost me a game 17:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:20 however i consider it a fair trade for not being forever managing inventory 17:20 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2004 points, T:3654, killed by a snake 17:21 * hothraxxa . o O ( now which stash has the scrolls of genocide... hmmm ) 17:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:29 i have been taught since i was a little baby that being burdened in nethack is terrible 17:32 fast and burdened = normal and unencumbered 17:33 if I really can't help being burdened I try to drop a bunch of stuff before fighting 17:34 <@malor> Assuming you have a bag that is an easy pre-combat drop 17:38 what is the MF nerf that was mentioned before? 17:39 it tapers off the more you get hit with it 17:40 also, what is MF? :P 17:40 mysterious force 17:40 oh right, thought mind flayers 17:40 that royal jelly change sounds interesting 17:40 MF, the second most ambiguous nethack acronym behind MM 17:41 i cannot argue that not being burdened is better 17:41 (nethacronym?) 17:41 i just feel the tradeoff is worth it 17:42 as for mf, i use that acronym for lots of monsters 17:42 often the one that is currently giving me a hard time 17:42 Hm, I am getting no message when I hit with the Staff of Aesculapius 17:43 Is the monster drain resistant 17:43 is the thing drain resistant (undead, etc) 17:43 Or is this a constant 17:43 Also yeah, that's why I don't rubber chicken a lot unless I HAVE to 17:43 hill giants, trolls, no message on anything 17:43 only when i miss 17:43 And when I do I unwield before going down the stairs 17:43 If not immediately after I'm done with it 17:43 (because pit traps are a thing) 17:44 i almost always wear a ring of levitation while wielding a footrice corpse 17:44 streamer claims #terrain shows hidden portal on water if you are in LOS, is that correct? 17:45 it ought to be correct 17:45 it will if the portal is uncer something you have seen 17:45 under 17:45 which is how i use it 17:45 it SHOULDN'T show the portal if you haven't mapped the portal magically 17:45 someone says that the portal will show up once you enter the bubble? 17:46 i always do that upon entry 17:46 really, I don't know why all magic portals don't just appear unmapped 17:46 s/unmapped/revealed/ 17:46 quest portal, ludios portal, why should you have to search for an invisible magic square? 17:46 Where's this stream at? 17:47 https://www.twitch.tv/yogidamonk 17:47 https://www.twitch.tv/yogidamonk 17:47 https://www.twitch.tv/yogidamonk 17:48 https://www.twitch.tv/yogidamonk 17:48 this will not end well 17:48 unless he's really lucky and sees a monster stepping into it or so 17:49 or drifts into the portal 17:49 did they read confused gold detection? 17:50 no 17:50 i am trying to convince them but they are adamant that #terrian will reveal portals 17:51 it won't magically map the portal for you no 17:51 it will only reveal the portal if the portal has been mapped 17:51 yes 17:51 (by a monster wandering in, or conf gold detect) 17:52 this will take forever 17:53 Welp, he's in 17:53 Had conflict on, though 17:53 yes, luckily 17:54 astral without conflict is nasty 17:54 Fair 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3009 points, T:3072, killed by a bolt of lightning, while praying 18:00 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 27378 points, T:14110, struck down by a brown mold warrior 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 409 points, T:1385, killed by a gnome lord 18:02 did they just offer it without checking the altar? 18:02 :D 18:04 Yeah but it was the right one anyway 18:04 They were getting the prompt for the high priestess of Tyr 18:08 so time for 4 more roguelikes in a 24 hour window? 18:08 14 hours left for 4 roguelikes 18:09 they better be coffee break roguelikes then 18:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:09 world record for tome seems to be 1h on speedrun.com 18:09 tome, adom, shiren, dcss 18:10 doesn't adom take forever already 18:10 speedrun.com lists 57 mins for adom (wtf?) 18:11 is it luxidream? :D 18:12 someone called Grond, video on youtube 18:12 there's no page for nethack, someone should just submit a luxivid and get it going 18:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:17984 18:16 maybe adeon 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9556 18:16 adeons 1h3m world record is on youtube 18:17 oh wow, nice 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:23137 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34773 18:22 @luxidream do you think you would be able to break the 1 hour barrier if you found a first-room wand of wishing 18:23 <@luxidream> maybe 18:24 <@luxidream> I need to practice more on wizard mode 18:24 <@luxidream> err, explore mode 18:24 <@luxidream> I haven't played nethack in a while because there is a rhythm game tournament in a couple of months 18:24 <@riker> what game? osu? 18:24 crypt of the nethackdancer when? 18:26 <@luxidream> @riker pump it up 18:26 <@luxidream> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WA3i7xCuHo 18:26 <@luxidream> example 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 18339 points, T:10146, killed by a leocrotta 18:26 back in we go: https://www.twitch.tv/ichbinmiah 18:27 <@luxidream> I actually found the roguelike genre through necrodancer so you're not too far off amateurhour 18:27 there's probably a dancer class in slex of some sort 18:27 I bet amy likes ballerina shoes 18:28 <@luxidream> I think she is more into boots 18:29 perhaps, but very into shoes of all sorts. look how much she talks about sandals 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 771 points, T:967, killed by an invisible gnome lord 18:32 <@luxidream> !tell LarienTelrunya what's your opinion on barefoot shoes 18:32 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 18:33 I could hazard 3 guesses as to why 18:38 hmm where did i hear from necrodancer 18:38 either day9 or totalbiscuit (rip) 18:39 most likely day9 18:39 on a day off 18:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVFqotGkts 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3906 points, T:4312, killed by a giant leech 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 391 points, T:2690, killed by an iguana, while fainted from lack of food 18:54 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 18:55 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 18:55 eyyy Tariru 18:55 congrats to your win 18:55 good to see you back 18:55 o/ 18:56 Thanks 18:56 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3198 18:57 where have you been? 18:57 what did you bring me? 19:00 Just took a break form nethack for a while 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 195 points, T:1663, killed by a newt 19:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Inc Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:20154 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:35487 19:08 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 6906 points, T:3660, struck down by a storm giant called Lord Belaphius 19:09 Huh 19:09 That's unusual 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39134 19:18 -!- misha has quit [] 19:18 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 19:20 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 339 points, T:1006, slaughtered by a water moccasin, while fainted from lack of food 19:25 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 396 points, T:936, killed by the wrath of Kos 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31334 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for his first artifact, on T:40094 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:40094 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:40102 19:35 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 428 points, T:1222, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 19:38 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 52593 points, T:13045, killed by a troll 19:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 11356 points, T:5638, killed by a mountain centaur 19:53 ichbinmiah: Forgot the "The" in the name? 19:54 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 2647 points, T:2706, dispatched by a soldier ant 19:55 Go team a! 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:28666 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:43372 20:14 Umbire: yep, and now I'm screwed 20:15 Like actually screwed or 20:15 like actually screwed. trying to branchport back into the quest after I somehow pissed them off 20:16 you entered the actual quest? 20:16 yes 20:16 I think I may have hit one of the friendlies 20:16 then I was summarily ejected and the portal is gone 20:17 any fountains left? 20:17 not above level 20 20:17 I am going to try Vlad's throne I guess 20:18 good luck 20:18 D: 20:18 Fuck, man 20:18 Cleaver accident? 20:19 I'm not actually sure what happened. If you try to jump into a space with a friendly, does that upset them? 20:20 Yes. 20:20 Jumping into peaceful monsters angers them 20:21 then that's what happened. misclick 20:21 and your penalty for bumping into someone is the game is now unwinnable! Yay! 20:22 just BLJ and no clip back into the quest area 20:22 4Head 20:23 <@riker> one of my fave dnh things is that the quest is optional, if you mess up 20:23 <@riker> you have to track down a diff item to replace the bell but it means you can't mess up THAT badly 20:23 in unnethack you will gain access if you kill the quest leader 20:27 does that affect how guardians and the nemesis react to you though? 20:27 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:27 because at minimum alt. text for that would be a cool YANI 20:30 there is no alternative text no 20:31 honestly the guardians probably don't want to chat at that point 20:32 Fair :B 20:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:49 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2617 21:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 41680 points, T:9881, killed by an orc mummy, while fainted from lack of food 21:04 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:30 VaderFLAG i think i see why you're not getting any hit msgs with the staff 21:31 had same issue briefly with artifacts like fire/frost brand 21:31 may have skipped over the staff 21:33 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34 [hdf-us] [spl] FuzzyChilla (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 19916 points, T:10367, struck down by a bullet ant 21:36 Go team ant! 21:36 !tell AntiGulp nonbinary barbarian starts with the incorrectly gender-specific title 'plunderess' 21:36 Will do, misha! 21:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Bar Mer Nbn Neu), 55 points, T:58, eliminated by a black pudding 21:37 i definitely haven't been kicking any sinks, nope, not me, i know better than that... 21:38 a bag of RATS? 21:38 which activates by looting it on the ground, fun 21:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Bar Mer Nbn Neu), 104 points, T:97, slain by a rabid rat 21:40 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 21:45 hmm yup i see what i did 21:45 VaderFLAG i'll have that fixed soon 21:45 hothraxxa i think you're playing a healer too right now 21:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Pir Mer Nbn Neu), 142 points, T:768, dispatched by a brown mold 21:46 i stole doomblade from a shop and then immediately died stupidly 21:46 yay me 21:46 lol 21:50 woodchuck sighting 21:51 Probably a shapeshifter? 21:52 there were polytraps nearby, perhaps that 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 142 points, T:772, killed by a coyote 21:59 Hmhm 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:50916 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3 points, T:129, killed by a goblin 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 630708 points, T:50940, killed by a minotaur 22:08 !who 22:08 K2: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh370] Kevkat [nh370] notsogood [nh370] every [nh370] Frozty [nh370] riconaps67 [slex] Heliokopis [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:09 EvilHack updated (all servers) 22:09 ^ a few bug fixes 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] mudtoeberg (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 29 points, T:362, killed by a newt 22:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 10589 points, T:1685, killed by a kobold lord 22:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 1170 points, T:990, killed by the ghost of Heliokopis 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8671 23:19 [hdf-us] [spl] Misha (Bar Mer Nbn Neu), 409 points, T:990, slain by a dwarf 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] notsogood (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5269 points, T:6787, killed by a black unicorn 23:29 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 23:31 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39 ' 23:42 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 25248 points, T:1863, killed by a green mold 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 9234 points, T:10083, killed by a fire elemental 23:47 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law), 1083 points, T:945, killed by an explosion 23:52 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 23:55 and also yaaay coaligned altar 23:56 For what role? 23:56 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]