00:00 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:05 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 00:07 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:13639 00:10 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:10 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3679 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1782 points, T:4239, killed by a giant mimic 00:29 helm of brillance from death drop! 00:29 Brilliant! 00:29 Brilliant! 00:30 anyone remember those commercials 00:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 17498 points, T:8034, killed by reverting to unhealthy doppelganger form 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2435 00:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:21195 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Hea Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled EIRIS SAZUN IDISI on an altar, on T:3465 01:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:10 Think I just found the bones of my last game. In a store, of course. 01:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:12 <@rikersan> have fun with an angry shk 01:13 !tell rebatela man you waited so long to play slex and then you decide to do so just when I'm leaving... anyway don't expect magic lamps to give wishes in slex, I'd use them as light sources. The odds of getting a wish from them are drastically reduced :P 01:13 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 01:15 He won't be angry. Just the giant mimic that got me. 01:16 <@rikersan> amy: looks like only a 1/4 chance of a wish from normal, and then othergreateffect()? 01:16 <@rikersan> which is nice item / artifact / acquirement 01:16 yep 01:17 so if you come in expecting a 80% chance of a wish with a blessed lamp, you will be disappointed when you don't get it :D 01:17 <@rikersan> what is that now? 16%? 01:17 <@rikersan> but still at least 80% of something good I guess 01:17 should be 20% (80 / 4) 01:18 <@rikersan> I typoed - it's 1/5 I think 01:18 <@rikersan> !rn2(4) 01:18 <@rikersan> if (!rn2(4)) makewish(evilfriday ? FALSE : TRUE); 01:19 yeah 01:20 also if it's an "evil friday", i.e. you're playing evilvariant mode or a 1 in 5 chance on a Friday the 13th, the wish will be a nonmagical crappy pseudo"wish" :P 01:20 <@rikersan> eh that's on you lol 01:20 <@rikersan> if you actually try to play evilvariants and expect your wishing to work? come on chief 01:20 but it's inspired by unnethack of course 01:21 <@rikersan> I still think un needs to rename glowing dragons "glowwyrms" 01:24 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 3732 points, T:3052, struck down by a mumak 01:33 alright gotta leave now, there's passengers to interview in several trains :D 01:34 hopefully when I get back later, rebatela will want to play slex again! 01:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:23599 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] gpo23 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Investigator, on T:3591 02:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] gpo23 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 slime molds on an altar, on T:3674 02:05 larientelrunya: that was pure coincidence that i played my game right after you left 02:05 rebatela: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-01-22 01:13 EST: man you waited so long to play slex and then you decide to do so just when I'm leaving... anyway don't expect magic lamps to give wishes in slex, I'd use them as light sources. The odds of getting a wish from them are drastically reduced :P 02:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:05 where are you? We're clearly on different time zones. but i'm wide awake. but playing EH. I have a giant monk who can actually spellcast 02:06 because i have these staffs that enhance spellcasting for each class of spells , and just got helm of brilliance... Still have weaponelss going at like 40k turns. I play this game so slow 02:07 I think I'm doing well in that slex game though the lamps being bunk is kind of a bummer... 02:08 When Kaen kills me in a minute, maybe i'll play 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] gpo23 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4245 02:22 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:39482 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39494 02:30 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:31 40k turns. thats usually when i ascend vanilla (and that's kind of a long game to some) but i'm not even at castle yet lol 02:36 really need a ring of protection, and a marker. but there ARE no markers 02:40 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42212 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08 Isn't there always a throne in Ludios? DId one of these monsters sit on it while I was fighting my way there? 03:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:20 <@Umby> probably 03:25 nice patch idea: if your amulet of yendor or another artifact gets stolen, you should be able to wish it back 03:25 optionally with the owner still attached so you can swat the fucker 03:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:42863 03:26 noooo 03:27 what's the matter rebatela? 03:30 come to think of it, I can make my own evil patch idea to go along with it 03:30 epi: monsters can wish for artifacts while you're wearing them to steal-obtain them 03:34 nah it's just i want these other staffs from god and now my prayer timeout is big because i just got crowned and got a spelbook i already had 03:34 I guess you're going to do some altar farming now then 03:35 i can't cast create monster... i had the book but was faint 03:35 and i have a crazy turn count already. monster generation is going to get nuts so i might not need to summon lol 03:35 he changed the way the monster generation increased. I need to read it again 03:36 rebatela, can I see your investory for a second please? 03:36 i used that balrog figurine to clear ludios. This guy is awesome. gave him speed boots and i've been healing him. His name is barry 03:37 bonus epi: they can wish for "the pair of speed boots rebatela is wearing" to steal-obtain those too 03:38 i should play around with curses now that i have this monitor... i like the inventory on the screen when im watching other players 03:38 but see those staffs? they allow me to cast spells when i wield them (plus the helm of brilliance helps a ton) 03:38 that's interesting 03:39 but i'm trying to keep weaponless so i know one of these times i'll forget to switch back to martial arts 03:39 there's a staff for each spell school i think except enchantment 03:39 why not enchantment? 03:39 usually monks wear a robe, ya know? obviously giants cant so spellcasting sucks 03:39 not sure 03:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:40 i really want the matter and divinaton ones though 03:40 i had them in my last game 03:40 what, and leave the spens with nothing but a dagger? 03:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:42 do you play EH bug_sniper? 03:43 I've tried it 03:43 it's definitely evil 03:43 YASI: NetHack but it's randomized 03:44 it gets fun once you accept it is hard though 03:44 Everything's the same but actual appearances are shuffled 03:44 I got killed by a morder orc in the orc town in the mines 03:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44 i've almost made it to astral a few times. one time really close. last plane 03:44 a are still a but instead of displaying as an ant it might display as say 03:44 they shoot for a lot of damage there 03:44 a water nymph 03:44 or Demo 03:44 Astral is super hard. I've watched others do it 03:45 I guess I have to look up what's different about astral besides the steeds 03:45 well the riders themselves are all much tougher (they have hit points) 03:46 and if a player monster steals the amulet, they will run to altar and offer it.. 03:49 and angels do much more damage 03:50 and magic missiles 03:50 basiclly everything it seems (although i've only watched ) 03:52 i need ring of protection badly or gauntlets of protection, or dragonbane. then I can wear flying and life saving in end game. 03:58 ez solution for those orcs btw bug_sniper 03:58 https://ibb.co/6brZr1m 04:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29468 04:13 so if you see orcs shooting, you stay out of their sight huh 04:14 rebatela, do you need to fly in astral? 04:14 I mean, is that wrong? :B 04:14 jokes aside 04:15 no, not at all 04:16 but it's a shape you can't fly over the walls of astral like you can in lost labyrinth 04:19 yeah, you can fly but i would hope to use that slot for life saving if I make it there... But as a giant it's tough because i'm currently getting reflection from the amulet slot 04:20 it'll work out. Some wishes would really help 04:20 I swear if the soldiers get to the wand before me again, I'm gonna be pissed 04:20 they wont charge it, but it's 0:0 when i've gotten to it twice now 04:21 i don't think that's fair, even for "evil" hack.. I know grunthack does it too and I think they'll actually charge the thing lol 04:21 But it's like you fight all your way to the wand and don't have charging yet. It's useless 04:22 (i have charging tho ) 04:22 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:30208 04:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:36 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:45 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 04:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 04:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:53 aosdict: the variable "moves" is exactly what you see on the statuslines as turns. so isn't it the other way round, a fast player can do more than a slow player until they see the effect of the increased monster generation rate? 04:55 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:58 aosdict: oh, I see you opened an issue about it. 05:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31986 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31989 05:50 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:50 note to self: when you configure a cronjob, double check to make sure to get the order of arguments right 05:51 otherwise a cronjob might be executed at 04:00 AM, on every 10. of a month instead of at 04:10, every day. 05:52 -!- stennowork has quit [Client Quit] 05:53 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:16 damn, is rebatela not here? 06:16 !tell rebatela my timezone is (UTC+01:00) Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern, Rom, Stockholm, Wien 06:16 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 07:08 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:13 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6231 07:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6808 07:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 13781 points, T:6951, petrified by a cockatrice 07:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:56 -!- hdf-guest-32 has joined #hardfought 08:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Bat Mal Law) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:17110 08:31 YANI: for variants that allow stuff to steal the Amulet from you on Astral, Grudge Patch addition: keep track of the god of the current amulet-bearer (whether you or someone else); priests and angels aligned to that god will battle all others, and all others will battle them. 08:33 Similar YANI for astral monster AI: an amulet-bearer will pathfind towards their high altar, using a shortest-path algorithm that avoids monsters if possible but if none are available will plot a path that goes through the minimum amount of monsters. It only attacks when the next square on its path is occupied by a monster. 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:34961 08:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (arch-liches), on T:35010 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 240 points, T:315, killed by a little dart 08:46 aosdict: evilhack already has a grudge entry for any monster carrying the amulet. all other monsters want to kill the amulet bearer 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (wizard), on T:1 08:46 why should their own priests and angels want to kill them 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 920 points, T:1772, killed by Mr. Raciborz; the shopkeeper 08:46 absolute power corrupts absoltely 08:46 the priests and angels should be fighting the stuff that wants to kill them 08:47 they all want to ascend, fuck everybody else 08:47 mob rule 08:47 player monsters sure, priests probably not, but angels don't work that way. angels win if their god gets the amulet, doesn't matter who delivers it 08:48 hmm 08:49 for that matter, by your logic why doesn't your own high priest let you walk up to the altar and then punch your lights out so they can take the amulet for themselves? you think the god is going to say "well K2 was the guy who actually did all the legwork to go and get it, but you actually offered it to me so you get 100% of the credit"? 08:49 you're on the same team here 08:49 Terry Jones passed away late last night 08:49 D: 08:49 wut 08:49 Terry Jones passed away late last night 08:49 holy fuck that is a loss 08:50 he had already alzheimers 08:50 :( 08:50 or dementia? 08:50 RIP terry jones 08:50 he was a very naughty boy 08:50 jesus 08:50 and directly after neil innes 08:50 2 down, 4 to go 08:51 aosdict: priests are not infallible 08:51 by a long shot 08:51 stennowork i know right? 08:51 blah 08:52 man thats a heavy loss 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 498 points, T:1037, killed by a giant bat 08:52 hope that the remaining deal well with it 08:52 aosdict do you know how to make the pathfinding code? 08:52 i dont 08:52 dijkstra? 08:52 I mean, I don't have a psuedocode algorithm ready to drop on your head at this very moment 08:53 wtf 08:53 should be especially suitable for tilse 08:53 tiles 08:53 i _think_ dijkstra is already used for pathfinding in nethack 08:53 aosdict you're supposed to have all this done in your head already 08:53 stennowork: what does dijkstra have to do with tiles 08:54 sorry i mean A* 08:54 as a special case of dijkstra 08:54 still, what does that have to do with tilesets 08:54 i mean squares 08:54 or w/e you call the fields 08:54 nethack uses A* already? did not know that 08:56 where does nethack's pathfinding code even live? I never had to look at it for anything 08:57 not in monmove? 08:57 maybe where the movestrats are implemented 08:57 I meant more like the travel command 08:57 I don't think monsters actually execute a pathfinding algorithm 08:58 travel will be in cmd.c 08:58 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/cmd.c#L6089 08:58 hmm 08:58 that only sets the flag 08:59 letse check moveloop in allmain 08:59 oh boy there is a travel and a travel1 flag 08:59 good job 09:01 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/d19cab4d98dc341e0432c0037e47e56efaede6eb/src/hack.c#L944 09:03 oh boy findtravelpath is being called with boolean arguments but it takes an int 09:05 where is distmin? 09:05 hacklib.c\ 09:06 oh thats boring 09:41 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] jthack (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 432 points, T:1405, killed by an owlbear, while being terrified of a ghost 09:47 aosdict: plot twist. booleans in C are just ints. 09:47 that is actually the case, isn't it? 09:48 yes 09:48 its actually just some #defines in stdlib.h or something 09:48 yes. 09:48 but even if you use the C99 bool data type, you have an int. 09:48 it's just ensured that it's always 1 or 0. 09:49 is true actually defined as '1' or is it just !false ? 09:49 bhaak: I know that, but it is bad for code quality 09:49 <{Demo}1> why not a bitfield of size 1? 09:49 bitfields still use at least a byte 09:49 <{Demo}1> yeah true but that's smaller than int 09:49 findtravelpath(FALSE) should be findtravelpath(TRAVP_TRAVEL) and TRUE should be findtravelpath(TRAVP_GUESS) 09:49 then you can just use char instead of int :P 09:50 otherwise it's confusing to figure out what those calls are supposed to do 09:50 aosdict: I know. but you need to know that. as for example I found out about that when I wanted to refactor a method from taking a boolean to an int. changed the method signature, recompiled ... no error. 09:51 reminds me a bit of the zend_ datatypes in PHP lol 09:51 any data type in php is at least 4 bytes 09:52 C has a very weak type system 09:52 arrays are pointers! 09:53 in other TIL news, I'm somewhat disturbed that there are priests of moloch on the astral plane. 09:53 same that NULL is actually a void function pointer 09:54 which is technically just 0 09:54 I'm even more disturbed that this was already the case in 3.4.3 09:54 so NULL == 0 i am pretty sure 09:54 yeah, you can use 0 everywhere where NULL is allowed. 09:54 the NULL macro is just syntactic sugar 09:55 where is the guy who always complains how crappy he thinks js is 09:56 js is crap in a different way :-) 09:56 <{Demo}1> what language aren't arrays pointers in? 09:57 javascript doesn't have pointers 09:57 {Demo}1: every sane one? 09:57 <{Demo}1> ok, but if I examine memory, it still points to a memory address under the hood 09:57 {Demo}1: we're not talking implementation 09:57 bhaak: I take issue with the priests of moloch, but I take even more issue with the random V and L 09:57 <{Demo}1> ok 09:57 <{Demo}1> yeah 09:57 {Demo}1, in JS, its abstracted, you have references 09:57 And this implementation is not guaranteed 09:58 bhaak: in xnethack I replaced them with random A (maybe archons!) 09:58 <{Demo}1> yeah I'm talking implementation 09:58 OK; that's not guaranteed (in essentially any language) 09:58 <{Demo}1> although, javascript does some weird fucking shit with how it works under the hood 09:58 everything points to a memory address under the hood 09:59 unless you are using register int 09:59 in JS, if two objects share the same reference, they are considered the same, but they do not (neccessarily) point tot the same memory address 10:00 aosdict: the L is somewhat understandable as L can be a dangerous monster. the V are really out of place. what are they doing so close to holy ground? 10:00 this is also important if you consider the immutability of primitives in JS 10:00 bhaak: I use the same argument on the L 10:01 they're undead. priests hate undead (except apparently moloch priest in the valley) 10:02 so replace the L with A, there's a fair chance of an archon... dangerous monster quota satisfied 10:02 The priests of the other gods are willing to make an alliance of expediency to stop you sacrifing the amulet 10:03 it should be full of those named monsters that gets spawned when you sacrifice sometimes 10:03 aosdict: they can cast the same spells as L, can't they? 10:03 yes 10:03 a grid bug of thoth or w/e 10:04 that thing https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Minion 10:04 they cast arcanely 10:04 so any mcast_mage_spell except double trouble 10:04 then it's probably okay to switch them out 10:05 what switching out the L prevents is you arriving on astral and instantly being mobbed by three random covetous warping arch-liches 10:05 would that be a problem? 10:05 better than some weak-ass angels 10:06 stennowork: with the new mextra structure in 3.6 this is possible. but how did they get to the astral plane? 10:06 YASI: Any monster summoned by an angel or priest automatically becomes a minion of that god. 10:06 *If its alignment matches. 10:07 being a minion should get you some benefits 10:07 YANI: aligned casters can only summon coaligned monsters (so a cha priest can't summon e.g. a couatl or a dwarf) 10:07 like having your hp restored from time to time :) 10:08 good idea 10:08 yeah right now it doesn't really do much of anything on regular monsters does it? 10:09 aosdict a few variants already have a monster spell that summons coaligned minions 10:10 yes but that's a different spell from summon nasties 10:11 the nasties list is based on alignment too 10:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Bat Mal Law) killed Sir Garland, on T:21156 10:34 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:53 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:26511 10:54 pbbt! 10:54 thats awesome 10:55 hothraxxa you know as a giant you can one-hand two-handed weapons right? 10:55 dual wield it with your primary weapon 10:55 i sure do 10:55 i still need the ac from my shield 10:56 this game is awful. two altars, cross-aligned in minetown and one on dl1 10:56 almost no rings 10:56 the only wand of polymorph was used up on me 10:57 i've been all the way to medusa. no levitation, no mr, no reflection 10:57 no amulets ecept the cheap plastic one on the rogue level 10:58 i could go on 10:58 not seen a single npc monster 10:58 it's almost like it's .... evil 10:58 * K2 gasps 10:58 i can't recall a game as sparse as this one 10:59 i'm doing a small revamp/fix on artifact wishing 10:59 aosdict: this has nothing to do with evilhack and everything to do with rngeezus 10:59 it'll go live tonight 10:59 oh right. no thrones, no magic lamps 10:59 i think i got them all on my last game 10:59 sorry 10:59 no bones 11:00 no ludios 11:00 it's demogorgon lashing out at you for being killed by K2 in the double bones 11:00 was that 'sorry' ok hothraxxa? I tried channeling my inner canadian 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14797 11:00 yes that was very canadian. you should move north 11:00 my headcanon is that the rng in evilhack is more evil than the rng in vanilla due to all the ambient evil floating around 11:00 :) 11:00 hah 11:01 it's still not nearly as evil as slex's evilvariant mode :D 11:02 slex's random number god is quietly gibbering to itself in a straitjacket somewhere 11:02 !who 11:02 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] rebatela [evil] Bartlem [nh370] oh6 [nh370] Heliokopis [dnh] | [hdf-eu] hilliance [nh370] lacca [nh370] OmNyomNyom [fh] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:05 also I'm surprised that someone everyone except myself is a pro evilhack player 11:07 someone everyone? 11:07 oh whoops, meant to be "somehow everyone" 11:07 I'm not a pro evilhack player 11:09 yeah but hothraxxa, rebatela, K2 himself of course, and a bunch of others play regularly and are really good 11:09 i dont expect you to like evilhack LarienTelrunya - its based off of 3.6 11:09 really good? didn't you see my last three splats? 11:10 hothraxxa: if you get far enough to be able to splat, it's an indicator that you're very good at the game; I wouldn't even live long enough to see splatting-territory :D 11:10 well none of them were astral 11:11 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/d61b02caa4d2ee3e5f2d92bb3f6d04dc511b400a <--- going live later tonight 11:11 also what's actually the official definition of a splat? died while having the amulet? 11:11 hothraxxa, rebatela, krm26 ^ 11:11 well i just meant advanced game 11:11 almost or at the sanctum, say 11:12 -!- ddude has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- hdf-guest-32 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:13 well. i don't wish for artifacts a lot, but evilhack giants pretty much have to 11:14 hmm 11:14 i disagree 11:14 sure 11:14 i bet you could asc a giant without wishing for an artifact 11:15 my last asc i never used a magic marker 11:15 you can get really lucky, or you can live dangerously and probably die 11:15 ^ need to make that a conduct 11:16 <@John VI> Wishing for an artifact is living dangerously now lol 11:17 sure, as you as you grunticise polypiling blank scrolls 11:17 slex already tracks the # of items a player creates with a magic marker, will evilhack be the second variant to do so? :D 11:17 <@John VI> Polypiling scrolls now has a chance of turning them into their authors 11:17 k2: i saw that coming... I'm ascending this game after i wish for like 5 more artifacts... (or will it affect my current game?) 11:17 rebatela: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-01-22 06:16 EST: my timezone is (UTC+01:00) Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern, Rom, Stockholm, Wien 11:18 it would yes 11:18 rebatela: you're toast, better move fast 11:18 bah 11:18 i'm playing so slow 11:18 this is why i am telling you all now and not updating until tonight 11:18 i wanted to wish for eye lol 11:18 oh ok i see 11:18 thank you :) 11:18 you have a several hour window to make things happen :) 11:19 also, from backscroll: you're a giant, gelcubes are wusses if you have free action 11:19 ok 11:19 quite tasty too 11:19 yeah you cant be engulfed by anything 11:19 yeah because i've been basically instakilled when not wearing it 11:19 as k2 says 11:19 i need staff of matter and divination 11:19 but i got crowned 11:20 and i need to get the castle wand 0:3 for once instead of 0:0 lol 11:21 i am debating on whether crowning has a chance of giving sick res or not 11:21 i don'tthink i've been sick once this game. Didn't get a unicorn horn for a long time either. now have eucalyptus and all that. but never gotten sick 11:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:27 i think you should find like a middle ground between the unlimited artifacts and vanilla behavior if you're gonna have the owner come. If i had a variant, I wouldn't count the artifacts you find randomly or in bones towards the count.. that's what screws me over. Finding sting etc. 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6513 11:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 195 points, T:286, killed by a gnome 11:33 just my opinion. your game is ok. i play it now and then... ;) 11:34 a couple variants have it based off of number of artifacts wished for already, not the number generated 11:34 but that feels too nice 11:34 nah that's how it should be imo 11:34 hrm... no 11:35 i considered it 11:35 it made me feel all good and nice 11:35 which made me feel bad 11:35 hehe obviously we disagree. it's cool. i'm fine with vanilla behavior. But if you have to wait to be strong enough to fight the owner, you're likely to see artifacts unintentionally 11:35 so nope 11:35 so it just becomes luck 11:35 i did just add a chance for sick res if you get crowned 11:36 who cares. i want wishes 11:36 lol 11:36 make wishes much more restricted, then it doesn't matter much, how many artifacts the player finds :) 11:36 just get rid of wishing if you want it to be evil 11:36 lol 11:36 a la markers 11:36 no one would play if wishes were removed altogether 11:36 na, wishless is not a hard conduct. 11:37 bhaak i did restrict wishing a bit - randow WoW's are more rare, and the random ones are already charged once 11:37 do you get my point about having to be strong enough to fight the owner? Chances are you're going to see garbage artifacts you didn't wish for or want, and it screws it up 11:37 *random 11:38 meeeeeeeh 11:38 you have to be really lucky.. and if you are playing a giant or even regular monk, you can't really have a strategy for MR 11:38 lemme think 11:38 I never heard the complaint re artifact wishing in unnethack and there are a few characters with artifacts. although later in the game. 11:38 i need to make a variant... i know c 11:38 bhaak, rebatela's issue is if he finds sting in a bones pile early on 11:38 nethack code is whack tho 11:39 which happens a lot 11:39 K2: yes but that's already in vanilla. I meant, on top of the vanilla issues :) 11:39 heh 11:39 but the owner doesn't come 11:39 so you can wish early in vanilla 11:39 oh gosh... did i make the game more difficult? WUT?? :) 11:39 lol 11:40 rebatela i will mull it over 11:40 my balrog went peaceful 11:40 but right now i am not keen on it based on artifacts already wished for 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrice), on T:644 11:41 i need to tame this guy again. i love that figurine 11:44 i hope this is taming and not amnesia 11:44 <@John VI> I'm betting on amnesia 11:46 yeah, that would suck haha. but i've formally id'd it. (i'm a pro. I checked) 11:47 :: gets amnesia and rage quits :: 11:47 how do i do that thing on irc where it says i do something? 11:47 K2 have you implemented #ragequit as a non-prompting #quit? 11:47