00:06 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 00:11 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:15 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 164 points, T:303, killed by a boulder 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:79877 00:33 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 00:44 I'm here to say that xNetHack's Cleaver is really cool and usable:) 00:44 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 7201 points, T:4069, dismembered by a watchman 00:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given the Kiku-ichimonji, on T:4757 00:46 <@rikersan> what's xnh's cleaver like wvc? 00:47 rld: it works almost like axes do in DCSS -- it hits several monsters around you in one turn 00:48 so it would be great to use in crowded rooms 00:48 but got to be careful around monsters with passive attacks like jellies 00:49 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 5922 points, T:4425, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 00:49 <@rikersan> ah, pretty sure that's a 3.6 chance not an xnh change 00:49 <@rikersan> of course xnh has it due to being a 3.6 fork 00:50 oh really? i do not play vanilla often so i've missed this change 00:50 It's usable except when you hit your quest guardians 00:54 hmmm 00:54 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 i've found a bug 00:55 this time really^) 00:56 pressing 'o' to select an item in bag of holding's inventory selects the item labelled 'n' instead 00:56 <@rikersan> that's oddly specific 00:59 so i can't take 'o' item out of the bag:( 01:01 Are you sure it's actually selecting slot n and not simply displaying wrong? 01:01 update: it looks like when i press the key corresponding to the item at the bottom of list, game selects the item before it 01:02 you can watch my game now, i'm pressing 'n' to get bronze ring out 01:02 Does it happen with other slots? 01:02 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:46972 01:02 <@rikersan> !who 01:02 @rikersan: [hdf-us] kelvin [dyn] luxor [slshm] xyzzy [slshm] chromatic [un] antigulp [spl] bouquet [spl] Heliokopis [dnh] darthdiablo [fh] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] wvc [xnh] | [hdf-au] tim [nh370] 01:03 <@rikersan> wait, what happens when you try to take out p - the ring of see invis? it's the bottom item on teh list that I see 01:03 so now i can select 2 potions of speed with 'n' and with 'm' 01:04 <@rikersan> huh, that's weird 01:04 <@rikersan> I can't reproduce that with a 3.7. rogue just tossing my starting invent into the bag 01:04 <@rikersan> do you have numpad on? 01:05 no, i use vimkeys 01:05 emmm do you see what i see? 01:05 [hdf-us] [dyn] kla (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 216 points, T:594, killed by a brown mold 01:06 "Ri+gs" 01:06 <@rikersan> wasn't watching, what? 01:06 <@rikersan> I just see your inventory now 01:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class 'L', on T:26841 01:06 rld: what item is checked now?\ 01:06 <@rikersan> m,n 01:07 <@rikersan> now only n 01:07 hmmm it could be display problem 01:13 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 2619 points, T:2071, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 01:15 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Wiz Mer Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:7290 01:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Darth Diablo (darthdiablo) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 73136 points, T:27601, killed by a baluchitherium 01:19 F 01:22 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:24 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1321 points, T:2081, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 01:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:76, killed by a water demon 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 567 points, T:870, killed by a gnome lady 01:37 [hdf-us] [spl] purge (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5693 points, T:4246, exterminated by a hallucinogen-distorted snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:43 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 3446 points, T:2802, killed by a watchman 01:47 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:50 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:52 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:07 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 02:18 -!- dopplergange has quit [*.net *.split] 02:18 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 02:18 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 02:18 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 02:18 -!- ilbelkyr has quit [*.net *.split] 02:19 ? 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ZZZzzz…] 05:52 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:55 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:31 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 06:46 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:631 07:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:104411 07:03 take that 07:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:104432 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:104672 07:14 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2408 points, T:3248, killed by a tengu 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 655 points, T:1180, killed by a baby owlbear 07:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:105371 07:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:105376 07:41 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:47 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1118 points, T:1670, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:59 wvc: From a cursory test, I can't reproduce the problem you were having. 08:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:42271 08:02 aosdict points at wvc and cursos. 08:07 -!- pots163 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:07 -!- hdf-guest-63 has joined #hardfought 08:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 168 points, T:497, killed by a small mimic 08:12 * wvc feels a malignant aura surround him 08:14 aosdict: i reconnected and the problem is gone. must be some tmux glitch or something 08:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:21130 08:25 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:43765 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:43767 08:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:34 -!- hdf-guest-63 is now known as pots163 08:36 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 08:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed dragonhide boots of flying", on T:22150 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:107402 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:107429 09:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:66650 09:11 @luxidream hey 09:13 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 09:14 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:23362 09:19 [hdf-us] [4k] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "Magicbane", on T:108 09:19 [hdf-us] [4k] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "Spellbook of knock", on T:115 09:27 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: quit] 09:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) killed Aglaope, on T:23768 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker named mark of excellence", on T:108409 09:29 should have been "marker of penmanship and excellence" 09:30 \o/ 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 207 points, T:629, killed by a gas cloud 09:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "Shield of the resolute heart", on T:67799 09:39 \o\ |o| /o/ 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:108910 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:108911 09:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:24991 09:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:25090 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magical breathing named enya", on T:109091 09:59 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:109217 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 1369 points, T:1750, killed by a fire ant 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine (5 times), on T:109329 10:09 [hdf-us] [4k] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "Spellbook of remove curse", on T:2169 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:109449 10:12 [hdf-us] [4k] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "Spellbook of remove curse", on T:2649 10:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:25849 10:13 -!- eLtMosen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:109584 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:109646 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:109673 10:20 \o/ 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) helped Death catch some z's, on T:109692 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb0t9TUNLpg 10:21 ^ Death 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Death have a nanna's, on T:109712 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:109743 10:25 [hdf-us] [4k] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4113 points, T:3618, quit, in explore mode 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) helped Death catch some z's, on T:109832 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh4] Morkai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 19283 points, T:548, quit, in explore mode 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:109894 10:31 enough of this... 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 4105590 points, T:109937, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/klintos/nethack/dumplog/1578607756.nh.html 10:33 grats klintos 10:33 wakka wakka 10:40 polypiling question: can any piece of armor turn into a t-shirt or does it have to be a non-metalic item? 10:42 i wanna say it can 10:42 but get a second opinion 10:42 <@Tone> Should be anything 10:43 congrats klintos 10:43 <@Tone> Shirts are very common if you polypile the stack of items the castle army drops 10:43 <@Tone> Material only really matters for golems iirc 10:46 and magical status 10:50 oooh! a leather t-shirt 10:53 its a hells angel t-shirt, goes with the jacket 10:55 The mountain nymph pretends to be friendly to the green mold. 10:55 hehe 10:55 hey, don't judge her. She's probably ultravegan. 10:57 what is 'ultravegan' 10:57 like, do they only eat brussel sprouts? 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8752 11:01 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 11:01 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class J), on T:49249 11:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02 ultravegans get all their energy through photosynthesis 11:03 is that the now shadow thing from the simpsons 11:03 s/now/no/ 11:03 -Wno-shadow 11:04 'level 5 vegan' its called there 11:04 I think I was thinking of a webcomic. not a simpsons fan 11:05 YANI: rather than the unnethack/evilhack approach of increasing the monster spawn rate over time, increase other factors of monster spawns that are not as obvious: their HP maximum, or their level, or their attack power 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:8851 11:12 <@luxidream> Hey K2 11:12 <@luxidream> What’s up 11:12 o/ 11:12 aosdict: that's a neat idea 11:12 @luxidream where you been foo 11:13 a couple ppl noticed you havent played in awhile 11:13 Bar? 11:13 hah no he looks way too young. even being old enough they wouldnt let him in 11:14 <@luxidream> There are these cards called IDs 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1853 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1860 11:14 they'll think its fake 11:14 there are also cards called fake IDs 11:15 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Oona, on T:68113 11:15 is it true that its not mandatory to have an ID card in the US? 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:1862 11:16 varies state to state, but yeah 11:16 there is no federal id 11:16 how do you identify yourself in states where its not mandatory 11:16 thats a bit mind-boggling 11:16 the political implications of enforcing a national id have never caught on 11:16 you dont 11:16 lol 11:16 how does that work 11:17 *cough* it doesn't *cough* 11:17 the closest thing to a national/federal i dwould be your social security card or a passport 11:17 hot policy takes from klintos here 11:17 is that why people are scared that your social security number gets published? 11:17 i see 11:17 strange 11:17 oh, it's hot 11:17 brb 11:17 stennowork: no, it's because SSNs are very very overused 11:17 and unchangeable 11:18 you need your SSN to rent a place, open a bank account, get a credit card, file taxes, and on and on 11:18 uh, i see 11:19 SSNs were designed only for collecting social security 11:20 i mean here i have my ID card and there are security features on it so even if somebody knew the number on my ID card it wouldn't be of much help 11:20 but non-government entities using them have basically mutated them into the worst possible version of a national id (that isn't officially a national id) 11:20 and even if someone stole my card, it will be very difficult for them to use it properly 11:20 yeah it seems like it 11:21 ssn is assigned at birth / immigration so it obviously doesn't come with a current photo or anything 11:21 at _birth_ ? 11:21 wow 11:22 from a federal institution? 11:22 there's now the "enhanced ID" which is essentially a federal ID. It ties your passport to your drivers license. 11:22 the social security administration is a federal institution so yes 11:22 ok at east 11:22 least 11:22 you can travel to Canada and Mexico without a passport if you have the EID 11:22 oh and if you lose or destroy the flimsy cardboard card containing your SSN that you aren't allowed to laminate, you can never get it back 11:23 wat 11:23 so 11:23 that's the hillarous part 11:23 wut? 11:23 ??? 11:23 and after you lose it you just don't have a way to authenticate yourself? 11:23 i mean its not that you can get a passport or drivers license without it 11:23 yes you can. https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/replacement-card.html 11:24 that is hilariously volatile 11:24 oh hm 11:24 most people would still remember the actual number, and have other forms of ID. but tough situation if your parents' house burns down when you're 1 or something 11:24 yeah but imagine i'd live in ohio 11:25 <@luxidream> just don’t forget it 11:25 <@luxidream> for all the things you need it for, probably a good idea 11:25 do you have to mandatorily register yourself when you want to live in a city? 11:25 fortunately, everyone knows it. Just check on any exploit dump site for your name and you'll find it :) 11:25 man that system is so volatile 11:25 you should really think about implementing something more sensible 11:26 back to the original question, enough things in life require a form of ID that most people acquire an ID for their local state and that is good enough for most things 11:26 how about "The Mechanism" (from Alastair Reynolds Blue Remembered Earth series)? 11:26 fair enough 11:27 man the amazon car with my delivery is driving around the area for like 6 hours now 11:27 its frustrating 11:28 stennowork: It's tough politically not only because people are wary of a national ID system but because the states wield more power than in most western democracies (afaik) 11:29 yeah you really don't trust your own government heh 11:32 i'm not sure about the us, but in canada we have a social insurance number and the ways it can be used are quite limited. it's not an id number 11:34 as for passports, i've read of cases in both canada and the us where a pssport has been turned down as an identification document, which is insane 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Poseidon, on T:3436 11:56 wait, dudes, the SSN in the US is assigned at birth now? I thought the evangelical Christians were against that - the numbering of the people and all that. 11:57 when did that start? 12:01 Oh, I see, you don't have to, but it's encouraged 12:01 funny 12:01 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3892 12:16 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 12:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:35 lucky duck 12:38 wooo we have a new save breaking update for 3.7 12:39 i'll process it this sunday 12:39 see what else comes out 12:46 [hdf-us] [slex] valarnin (Jed Hum Mal Neu), 676 points, T:1200, dissolved in molten lava 12:50 good update though 12:52 si 12:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Sir Garland, on T:69300 13:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:27965 13:07 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 13:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "spellbook of detect treasure", on T:12842 13:14 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 13:17 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:23 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 430 points, T:421, killed by a dwarf 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3799 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4908 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4509 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4896 13:35 stethoscope and wand of poly on DL 1 13:35 i'll take it 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5361 13:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:70158 13:41 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 683 points, T:957, killed by a werejackal, while fainted from lack of food 13:48 !Pom 13:48 APic: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 7 days. 13:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 4924 points, T:4763, killed by a giant beetle 13:55 You kill the bugbear! But wait... The bugbear's medallion begins to glow! The bugbear's medallion glows white-hot! You hear diabolical laughter in the distance... The bugbear's body turns to dust and blows away. 13:58 \o/ 14:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 14:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:29932 14:02 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:03 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 14:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:30004 14:07 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 14:12 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 14:13 Evil Patch Idea: "You destroy the arch-lich! But wait... The arch-lich's medallion begins to glow! The arch-lich's medallion glows brilliant purple! The arch-lich divides. Now there are two of them! The arch-lich's medallion crumbles into dust and blows away." 14:22 tfw you're in the tourist quest and turn into a dragon 14:22 can't open doors without hands 14:24 amateurhour: What color dragon? 14:24 Several colors of dragon can get rid of doors by breathing on them. 14:25 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 7173 points, T:4279, killed by a Mordor orc 14:25 silver 14:25 That should work, then, yeah. 14:25 turns out kicking doors still works 14:26 though it woke up all the guards and I nearly died :') 14:26 Yeah, that also works. 14:33 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:37 K2 you make me sad :( level 5 was more than deep enough for door traps IMHO 14:38 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 1455 points, T:1477, killed by a dwarf 14:38 * LarienTelrunya now considers evilhack to actually be "NotQuiteEvilHack" :P 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4671 14:38 chaotic neutralhack? 14:39 heh, probably 14:39 in slex's evilvariant mode I think I made door traps possible right from the start, i.e. dlvl1, and also made them even more evil 14:39 i.e. my evilvariant traps not only cause the explosion with fire damage but also pick a random effect from xnethack's door traps on top of that 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 51 points, T:372, killed by kicking a rock 14:41 heh 14:41 if you think changing when trapped doors show up doesnt make evilhack evil, try again :) 14:44 the fact that door traps can be untrapped rewards tedious behaviour 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:2962 14:44 jilles good point 14:45 the new evilhack trapped doors are insidious becuase you get out of the habit of checking all closed doors, then you get to dlvl 13 and boom 14:45 heh 14:45 at least you're better prepared to handle those events by then 14:45 jilles: i step back and use a force bolt 14:45 so per jilies comment, i'll make door traps not able to be untrapped 14:46 when you're exploring from a safe area, you always have time to #untrap 14:46 no more rewarding tedious behavior 14:46 fleeing into unexplored territory is bad anyway, even without door traps 14:47 so the new best strategy will be to force bolt them at a distance or pick-axe your way around them :D 14:47 LarienTelrunya, but then you have at least some sort of meaningful decision 14:47 ^^^ 14:47 on account of #untrap failure 14:47 both options make it impossible to close the door again 14:48 and force bolting a door makes noise 14:48 i almost never close doors, except to kick them down 14:48 * K2 gets rid of doors 14:48 Evil Patch idea: solid rock can also be trapped. "Your pick-axe suddenly strikes a stick of dynamite that was buried in the solid rock! KABOOM! It explodes! Your scroll of genocide catches fire and burns! Your spellbook of identify catches fire and burns!" 14:49 right now i'm a giant and blocking doors is what boulders are for 14:49 jilles: if the door explodes because it was trapped, it can also not be closed again :P 14:49 LarienTelrunya how many games of evilhack have you played 14:49 LarienTelrunya, certainly, but most doors aren't trapped 14:49 K2: 1 I think, 2 at most 14:49 alrighty then 14:50 !lastgame AmyBSOD evilhack 14:50 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for evil:AmyBSOD) 14:50 those 1-2 games were probably before html dumplogs 14:50 yeah they were a while ago 14:51 EPI: Failing to #untrap, silently creates another, similar trap at a randomly chosen location elsewhere on the level. 14:51 so if you dont mind, i'm gonna take jilles or hothraxxa's opions of evilhack over your LarienTelrunya :) 14:51 *opinions 14:52 hey there it is - https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/evilhack/dumplog/1555249260.evil.txt 14:52 one game 14:52 747 turns woooo 14:52 K2: why would I mind? it's your variant, you can do whatever you feel is best :) my opinions are just what I personally feel about it, and since I don't actively play EH anyway, there's zero need to cater to me ;) 14:53 if i were catering to you i'd throw in some shoes. or say fleecy bundle bundles or something 14:53 so if I say "evilhack could be more evil than it currently is", that's just me being Amy :D 14:53 hahaha add fleecy bundles and girls with high-heeled shoes to evilhack! ♥♥♥ 14:53 amy being amy 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:33552 14:55 :V 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6317 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a Mordor orc, on T:6493 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 595 points, T:2385, killed by a giant bat 14:58 funny seeing that after reading a joke about "orcs by induction" 14:58 i.e. where there's one orc there's more 14:59 "There are 0 orcs, and since if there's N orcs, there's N+1 orcs, there are an infinite number of orcs." 15:06 Not so scared of polytraps playing a giant, since there's no shirt/robe to tear anyway 15:08 ^^^ 15:09 also, can't be engulfed 15:09 big advantage once you start seeing dragons and elementals 15:10 boulders are interesting too. i'm still working out uses 15:10 if you have a good ranged attack (aside from force bolt/striking) drop one, step back, fire away 15:10 <{Demo}1> how op is giant? 15:11 it isn't. it has some big shortcomings 15:11 <{Demo}1> can I play giant rogue? 15:11 <{Demo}1> or ranger? 15:11 <{Demo}1> armor isn't needed I'm a nudist 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4035 15:11 <{Demo}1> how many boulders can I hold? 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) stole 100 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gweebarra's second-hand bookstore, on T:7467 15:12 i didn't escape the shop though 15:12 i'm still in the shop 15:12 shopkeeper got zombified 15:12 <{Demo}1> lol stupid shk 15:12 i'm just looting the shop but i haven't taken anything 15:12 as many boulders as you like, demo. they do have a little bit of weight 15:12 <{Demo}1> how much? 20 or 50? 15:12 <{Demo}1> or 5? 15:12 <{Demo}1> weight 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23998 15:14 demo: they weigh 8 15:14 i often have about 20-25 15:14 in the early game, they do as much or more damage as any weapon you find or start with 15:14 <{Demo}1> do giants get a carry cap bonus? 15:15 <{Demo}1> are giants slow? 15:15 sure. and yes they are slow when you start 15:15 <{Demo}1> do they speed up? 15:15 can they exceed the (stupid) hard cap of "1000 weight before you're burdened, no matter what"? 15:15 <{Demo}1> uh. like speed 10 or speed 8? 15:15 you can get very fast with boots or helm of speed 15:15 good thing nethack wasn't designed by Gygax, or female chars would probably be capped at 800 weight even... :P 15:18 giants (and centaurs) carry cap is 1400 i think 15:18 oh cool! 15:18 14 or 1600 cant remember what i set that to 15:18 but its > 1000 15:18 <{Demo}1> me neither 15:18 <{Demo}1> can giants crush monsters with their feet? 15:18 player giants no 15:19 <{Demo}1> :((( 15:19 <{Demo}1> I wanna wear that little dog like a shoe 15:19 <{Demo}1> wait I know 15:19 #stomp ? 15:19 <{Demo}1> hey Amy make it so giants in slex can wear monster corpses as shoes 15:19 lol, in Elona titans (one of the hostile giant types) can stomp the ground and do enormous damage, in fact a player who can survive everything else on their natural depth usually gets one-shotted by a titan 15:19 #boop 15:19 please don't port that to nh :P 15:20 now THIS shpk i'm going to steal from, but only because i dug down into his store and am accidentally invisible and don't have a mummy wrapping 15:20 at full strength a giant is capped at 1400 15:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32964 15:20 silver mace named demonbane 54000 zorkmids 15:20 oh nsap 15:20 snap even 15:20 <{Demo}1> demonPAIN 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5898 15:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:24150 15:21 too bad you're a monk 15:21 :P 15:21 right? 15:21 messes up artiwishing too 15:21 i 15:21 i wanted to take on the dark one... 15:21 just throw the mace at people, still technically weaponless :B 15:22 two really expensive staffs too 15:22 k2: does a mithril shield give me mc2? 15:22 jokes aside how long will it be before you even actually face a major demon 15:22 shoot i thought i had a wand of digging... 15:22 no only body armor 15:22 i have teleport and polymorph though... 15:22 rebatela: beware racial grudge pricing 15:23 rebatela no it doesnt mess up artwishing 15:23 seeing the artifact? 15:23 that's great 15:23 hothraxxa: I predicted you would have that exact criticism of the evilhack door trap change 15:23 you'll get every artifact you wish for (except your own quest artifact) 15:23 BUT 15:23 so rebatela: your only source of mc is gauntlets of protection 15:23 high chance its owner comes with it 15:23 yes i've had that happen 15:23 with eota 15:23 K2 how did you implement saves not being lost with new versions? just store which version a save file is for? 15:24 and with dragonbane (a vagrant showed up) 15:24 trying to decide whether to teleport myself or the spk of polymorph the shopkeeper and take my chanceds 15:24 amateurhour it works like this - dgl tracks the different versions of , if a save exists for older version, load it, otherwise go to newer version 15:24 <{Demo}1> if I had a hammer, I'd hit tyr with it for not giving me mjolnir quickly enough 15:25 rebatela: i don't think dragonbane will give you mc3 15:25 rebatela i am thinking of putting artifact wishing # restriction back in, there's a couple diff ways to abuse the current system 15:25 oh right, sweet 15:25 <{Demo}1> make it so I can't wish for a boulder of pain 15:26 boulder from spain? 15:26 <{Demo}1> same thing 15:26 boulder, plain 15:26 well my only problem with the owner coming with it thing is that you might see artifacts by the time you even have a chance to fight the owner 15:26 <{Demo}1> whoa. k2, did u add gh gore? 15:26 <{Demo}1> do it pleaseeeee 15:26 I have a blessed magic lamp right now and I'm trying to hold out to use it 15:26 oh exploding bits? no 15:26 i might 15:26 <{Demo}1> and make it so if I beat something to death with a boulder, it splatters 15:26 so like, finding this demonbane in a shop would have sucked 15:27 NCommander: do you happen to be here? *bundleling* ;) 15:27