00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:77325 00:06 EPI: mind flayer attacks on a quantum mechanic cause you to toggle speed with each hit 00:06 are you referring to my game 00:06 yes but shhhhhhh 00:07 I posted it here because I wanted to share the idea :B 00:09 actually what'd be more evil is if you both teleported with each tentacle hit instead 00:09 (next to each other ofc) 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:36183 00:25 is it possible to get wand of wishing from polypiling 00:25 no 00:26 not in vanilla, and not in any variant i know of but i don't know most variants well 00:33 what is Juiblex's weaknesses 00:33 The dig spell 00:33 ok 00:34 Also that he's very slow. 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:77816 00:34 ok 00:34 ok 00:34 ok? 00:34 OK? 00:34 oui 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed Greased Bag of Holding", on T:21544 00:39 Ja 00:41 hai 00:42 wonder if you can still branchport from gehennom 00:42 also yeah, it's the same as vanilla, except that it doesn't do as much damage 00:42 oh, uh 00:42 no idea 00:42 Why not? 00:43 double checking 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for his first artifact, on T:21549 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "Master key of Thievery", on T:21549 00:47 In EvilHack, the salamander's bearhug is exchanged for a drowning attack, yeah? 00:47 Or is the code for bearhugging altered to include drowning where applicable? 00:47 salamander drowns you in lava, yes 00:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:4733 00:48 Right, but I'm wondering if it was recoded to have a drowning attack or the bearhug coe was changed 00:48 in the off-chance anyone present happens to know 00:48 K2 is asleep atm, try asking him that tomrrow 00:50 noted 00:50 I can also have the bot dump a message for me 00:50 if I could remember the command 00:56 I assume the death ray mechanics are lifted from Spork? 00:57 where you still suffer some damage and possible max HP loss if you're magic-resistant? 00:58 <{Demo}1> death death baby 00:58 <{Demo}1> I think so? 00:59 asmodeus's weaknesses? 00:59 Uh 00:59 Iunno off the top of my head 00:59 I got him 60% hp, he teleported away and now showed up max hp with higher max hp than before 00:59 I think he might have drunk a potion of full healing 00:59 ruh roh 01:00 I know he's fire/cold resistant 01:00 death's out of the question because demon 01:00 any silver stuff? 01:00 acid, lightning? 01:00 it's a variant so I don't know if he was given resistances to those specifically 01:00 is he paralysis variant? 01:01 assume he is the same as in vanilla 01:01 then acid and lightning *might* work 01:01 paralysis resistant 01:01 * 01:01 no mention of paralysis on the wiki page 01:01 so I assume he's not resistant 01:01 I'm prob. wrong though 01:02 he's acid resistant 01:03 <{Demo}1> death isn't demon 01:03 meant it as in most major demons and demons lords resist death rays 01:04 <{Demo}1> m2_demon controls that 01:04 <{Demo}1> all 3 riders don't have m2_demon 01:04 <{Demo}1> and, except for death, are vulnerable to death rays 01:04 <{Demo}1> death isn't cause he is death 01:04 <{Demo}1> and instead it heals him 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:78324 01:05 YES I GOT HIM 01:06 I know that 01:06 I didn't mention Death the rider at all :B 01:07 <{Demo}1> oh I'm stupid 01:07 <{Demo}1> this is about asmo, I just saw death and thought somehow this was about death 01:08 <{Demo}1> but yeah if it has m2_demon, it is dead so it can't die again or whatever so death rays don't scare it 01:08 Demons aren't non-living though. 01:09 They're just immune to death magic. 01:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11 Ye 01:12 <{Demo}1> idk how they do i 01:12 <{Demo}1> t but they do 01:15 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 01:25 https://ibb.co/84HQykC https://ibb.co/KWxn6sy https://ibb.co/6WH267H 01:25 thing I meant to share here as well 01:25 don't think it's intended behavior but it's a thing that exists 01:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5364 01:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6042 01:43 'lo raisse 01:46 -!- tonehack_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 3899 points, T:1428, killed by a monster (dwarf cleric) 02:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:8072 02:21 -!- jilles has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:48 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:13 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 03:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11645 03:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:33 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 05:13 !ping 05:13 Tangles: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-01-11 04:11 EST: you have experience with porting the curses interface to various 3.4/3.6 variants, right? I'll have a question about compiling it when you have time later :) 05:13 Tangles: Pong! 05:13 hi Tangles! 05:13 ey 05:13 just wondering why Beholder's not reporting livelogs of my game. 05:14 do you know whether there is a way to compile out the curses interface? if I just comment out the #define CURSES_GRAPHICS, slex fails to build 05:14 on unix that is 05:14 Hmm well it depends if you have other stuff in the code that assumes CURSES_GRAPHICS that doesn't have the #ifdef around it. 05:15 what are the compile errors you are getting? 05:15 well the thing is it failed in cursstat.c or something... shouldn't the win/curses stuff be used only if CURSES_GRAPHICS is defined? 05:16 the problem is that on the esm server but not on the hardfought servers, slex's curses interface is causing errors; I had to https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/19b8bbfb to workaround it 05:16 You might need to adjust the makefile as well. 05:16 ah damn, that's what I feared 05:17 look at the WINSRC, WINOBJ, and WINLIB definitions in the src/Makefile. 05:17 they probably have both WINTTYSRC and WINCURSESSRC (and OBJ and LIB) in them. You just need to remove the curses ones, then the build should not attempt to compile them. 05:18 ahh yes, found it! thanks! 05:18 but I guess taking out the curses definition would break saves? 05:19 the 3.6/3.7 build system allows you to specify all the makefile stuff for different builds in a 'hints' file. It is much improved over the 3.4.3 build system. 05:20 It is quite likely that it won't break saves (since it's just a UI change).; 05:22 * bhaak ...oooOOO(for very low values of improved) 05:23 well for now I'm using my hacky fix that just prevents players from enabling the curses interface, but it's good to know in future :) 05:27 aosdict: I think that's least of concern. the only thing I would change is making the display use aum but that also really doesn't change the fundamental chances of the PR - or on a more general level - getting into vanilla (note I haven't looked yet at the PR) 05:31 aosdict: but as it is now, I take PR as a starting point of discussion. so the actual code itself matters not that much if the concept is sound and clear. but of course, better code improves the overall chance but a default will never be a deal breaker as that can be changed trivially. 05:32 LarienTelrunya: Maybe you should look into the underlying cause of the errors that prevent you from enabling it? 05:32 Tangles: the problem is that the backtraces are mostly gibberish... 05:32 the top line is trying to display a string and then everything goes hog wild for some reason 05:36 Yeah those ones where you don't get a proper backtrace can be tricky. 05:44 !who 05:44 Tangles: [hdf-us] rad [slshm] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh370] zavtraleto [nh4] | [hdf-au] No current players 05:44 !who 05:44 Tangles: [hdf-us] rad [slshm] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh370] zavtraleto [nh4] | [hdf-au] Tangles [evil] 05:45 Hmm. No idea why it wasn't livelogging. 05:48 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24482 05:58 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 06:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:25516 06:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:25517 06:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 06:27 ok so it's logging again. 06:27 human convict called Pasi the Felon. heh. 06:29 hell ya Tangles! 06:34 CONGRATS!!! 06:37 Thanks rebatela ;) 06:38 Always nice to avoid the grand tour. Even more so in evilhack! 06:38 i watched the end there... i'm jealous ;) 06:38 i've almost gotten to astral a couple times and died stupidly 06:39 I screwed up on the earlier planes. I ditched all my potions of levitation on Water to save weight, forgetting that I hadn't done plane of fire yet, so had no levitation for fire. 06:40 then I got stunned by an Archon and accidentally stepped in lava, which meant I had to pray. 06:40 ouch 06:40 well, nice recovery! 06:41 That caused me to be unpunished (and moved to a 'random' place on the level which was on the most distant edge from the portal) 06:41 then I could not #invoke the ball to chain it to me again because of the timeout. 06:42 i know nothing about the convict role... are you telling me you're punished ? 06:42 so I ended up waiting a couple of hundred turns inside fire elementals and vortices next to the portal. 06:42 I wanted the ball chained to me for Astral so I could throw it and hurtle through space ;) 06:43 ahhhh 06:44 i'm in awe of how good some of y'all are... I can ascend vanilla no problem, but evilhack is hard. very fun though. And maybe it's my imagination (it's not) he keeps making it harder... 06:45 Yeah he does... it's a lot of small things, like you can't get the crowd of elementals off you on the planes by playing a horn because it just doesn't scare them. 06:47 oh wow 06:47 Anyway... that _should_ be the first evilhack convict ascension :D 06:48 has to be... congrats again :) 06:48 Thanks. Can't remember how long ago I started that one. Definitely before Christmas. 06:49 glad it's over lol 07:32 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 07:41 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 36159 points, T:10236, killed by a mumak calf, while fainted from lack of food 07:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 409 points, T:841, killed by a marid 08:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 08:04 belated grats Tangles! very very impressive! 08:05 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08 thx merlek :) 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had a staff entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:918 08:23 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:23 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:129035 08:27 ooops.. drawback of removing GoP to cast magic mapping and then forgetting to put them back on when picking up a rubber chicken. 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:129070 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 1845 points, T:1785, killed by a gnome lady 08:33 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:129752 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:129754 08:45 -!- hdf-guest-97 has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1551 points, T:2086, killed by a homunculus, while fainted from lack of food 08:51 -!- hdf-guest-97 is now known as pots163 08:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 399 points, T:1213, killed by a marid 08:56 -!- Nobbs has joined #hardfought 08:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1088 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1745 points, T:2490, killed by a giant mosquito 09:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 203 points, T:393, killed by a marid 09:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 10673 points, T:2541, killed by a Grey-elf 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1059 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 170 points, T:651, killed by a water moccasin 09:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1340 09:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3252 points, T:1522, quit 09:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 7681 points, T:2485, killed by a giant spider 09:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Kiku-ichimonji, on T:737 09:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1320 09:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1744 09:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:53 wow Tangles congrats! 09:53 \o/ 09:53 !lastgame Tangles 09:53 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1534858827.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/slex/dumplog/1523968901.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/evilhack/dumplog/1576413555.evil.html 09:53 awww no grand tour? :P 09:53 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) killed Amon, on T:293 09:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4081 points, T:3805, killed by a dwarf lord, while praying 10:02 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 10:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:4748 10:20 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 10:30 k whats the option in the rcfile for autoopen? 10:30 OPTIONS=autoopen:0 didnt do it 10:30 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#autoopen 10:31 it should be true/false, not numeric 10:31 or noautoopen, IIRC 10:31 gah aosdict ok 10:31 OPTIONS=!autoopen 10:32 huh, why is autoopen a persistent option? 10:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "Holy moonlight sword", on T:2409 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Set, on T:5088 10:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:8925 10:48 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:48 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Client Quit] 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6882 10:51 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) killed Buer, on T:11891 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had an elven helm entrusted to him by Set, on T:7806 11:03 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given Ramiel, on T:5045 11:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) completed Lokoban, on T:13564 11:08 this game is so unrealistic - lol woops kicked a statue, and lost 12 hp of 14. 11:08 kick a statue... find yourself clinging to live in ICU 11:08 so unrealistic 11:08 *life 11:09 but battling dragons and casting spells, that's ok 11:09 <@rikersan> considering you can still do basically everything at 2hp that's more unrealistic 11:09 k2 totally realistic! lol 11:09 :) 11:09 rld: haha true 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:10070 11:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- merlek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 8661 points, T:9063, killed by an Aleax of Mitra 11:18 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) killed Chupoclops, on T:15044 11:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) averted death, on T:15685 11:30 -!- Guest58474 is now known as irina|log 11:31 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:17375 11:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) averted death, on T:18284 11:41 -!- sha256WithRSAEnc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3260 12:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] purge (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1585 points, T:1614, killed by a bolt of fire 12:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed every1's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:3314 12:12 * math polymorphs some brain into ridiculous lookup code for pricing 12:12 cat potstore2 | while read a b; do echo $a $b `grep "^$b " isell8-10cha | field 2 | while read c; do grep $c pot.txt | tr -d : | awk '{$NF=""; print $0}' ; done`; done 12:12 potstore2 is a cutnpaste from my walking over a buncha potions in a big !store 12:12 pot.txt is the regular ! price chart. 12:13 isell8-10cha is the inverted pricing for 8-10cha (ie "given_price actual_price" per each line) 12:13 produces output like this: 12:13 smoky 133 confusion extra healing hallucination healing restore ability sleeping water 12:14 now to convert output into a macro to paste in and name everything... and somehow not destroy myself in the process with a wayward keystroke pasted 12:24 <@master_daffy> Hello, does anyone have a recent win64 build for notdnethack? I wanted to have a copy that I can play offline as well and building the source looks complicated on Windows. 12:25 {Demo}1: ^ 12:25 Based on my knowledge of dnethack, the answer is likely "no" but I don't know one way or the other 12:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya how hard was building dnh on windows? I recall you did that for dnhslex? 12:40 No worries, @rikersan, I've got this! 12:40 <{Demo}1> amy got it to build but at a great cost 12:41 <{Demo}1> a lot of stuff doesn't work iirc 12:41 <@rikersan> which makes zero sense 12:41 <@rikersan> considering it's developed on windows 12:41 <@rikersan> but demo I'm gonna assume you officially don't support windows for ndnh? 12:41 <{Demo}1> no, if you wanna play it on windows locally use wsl 12:42 <{Demo}1> or try to find Amy's gimped build 12:42 <@rikersan> also hey demo you've played slashem undead slayers right? have you played slashem necromancers? 12:43 <{Demo}1> yes and I have my own necromancer patch against 3.6.0 12:43 <@rikersan> so they're a reasonably fun role? 12:43 <@rikersan> and nice, do you have a link? I'm curious 12:43 <{Demo}1> ehhhhh, I wouldn't say so 12:43 <{Demo}1> no i think i lost it and it wasn't fully complete either and it never went anywhere online 12:44 <{Demo}1> it has a lot of potential, but in slashem it is kind of, eh 12:44 <@rikersan> any major changes you'd make? 12:44 <{Demo}1> slashem doesn't do a good job at particularly interesting roles 12:44 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:44 <{Demo}1> raising an undead army - good, needing to manage an undead army manually - very annoying and time consuming esp when its the most valid thing to do early on 12:45 <{Demo}1> need some QoL improvements early on with managing a bunch of weird undead army, also, more diverse undead (enter mfactions) 12:45 <{Demo}1> additionally, more interesting lategame necromancy 12:45 <{Demo}1> and less shit boring of a quest 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:26008 12:46 <{Demo}1> The first sac gift is cool and all, as is the QA, but both could stand to be more involved in the necromancy parts of the necromancer 12:47 <{Demo}1> also, neither would translate very well to dnh (their stats rely on slashem's full dmg instead of dice and on a generally different damage system late game (they'd be way too weak in dnh)) 12:47 <@rikersan> have you seen nero's staff of necromancy? 12:47 <{Demo}1> no but it's probably more interesting than the slashem items 12:47 <{Demo}1> which isn't a high bar because they are just so.. lazy? 12:47 <@rikersan> there's a merged PR labeled vampire minions on dnao if you want to see the stats 12:50 <{Demo}1> would be cool if the staff could be used to raise the dead as different types of minions, based on some item plugged into it, or maybe just a menu that you get more options on after completing quest/being crowned/etc 12:50 <@rikersan> ACU style? 12:50 <@rikersan> with the cerebral fluid? 12:51 <{Demo}1> I think it would make more sense to put more minor side items in it 12:51 <@rikersan> demo: here's a really old stupid role draft that has a lot of what I have now, https://paste.ee/p/OGda1 12:51 <{Demo}1> like, oops, theres some SPFX_NOCNT artifact gem on the quest end you can slap in it and now you can raise the dead as X minion now 12:51 <{Demo}1> is this a role or a vamp healer thing? 12:53 <@rikersan> vamp healer and maybe priest 12:53 <@rikersan> possibly wiz but they have vamps already 12:55 <@rikersan> demo why not make that the QA and give arti powers ala ahriman? 12:55 <{Demo}1> I think some sort of ritual dagger that stores a PM type in it (whatever the last thing it kills) and does an hmonas attack as part of its artifact attack with an attack of that permonst could actually make flavor sense for necro (and its something that has seemed cool for a while) 12:56 <@rikersan> just whatever the last killer was? 12:56 <@rikersan> hm 12:56 <@rikersan> *killes 12:56 <{Demo}1> the last killed was 12:56 <{Demo}1> yeah 12:56 <@rikersan> *killed 12:56 <@rikersan> yeah 12:56 <{Demo}1> I think the gem thing to specifically manage each pet doesn't make much sense. I think that the cap of raised minions should be about 3 or 4 times the normal pet cap and it should be about quantity, not quality 12:57 <@rikersan> that sounds like the QA should make all pets follow you through levels 12:57 <@rikersan> like the lyre or crowning helms for nobles 12:57 <@malor> K2 - dnh games from today aren’t showing on scoreboard. 12:57 <{Demo}1> yes, I would agree, all undead minion pets 12:58 <@rikersan> but hm just roleif necro and pet is undead - each pet counts for 1/3 a normal pet for cha limita? 12:58 <{Demo}1> pantheon_if 12:58 <@rikersan> hmmm that seems like it would be funky but ok 12:59 <@rikersan> also remember vampires can tame any undead lower lvl than them 13:00 <{Demo}1> already? 13:01 <@rikersan> yeah 13:01 <@rikersan> turning 13:01 <@rikersan> vampiric aura works like chaotic priest but no fast turning 13:01 <{Demo}1> oh hmm 13:01 <{Demo}1> that just makes em peaceufl 13:05 <@rikersan> no it makes tame 13:05 <@rikersan> dnh changes that from vanilla 13:05 <@rikersan> but I've ascended a cha priest and messed with vamp binders 13:06 <{Demo}1> oh wow 13:06 <@rikersan> yeah its annoying 13:06 <{Demo}1> so, im thinking, some innate raise undead ability from xlvl 1 13:06 <@rikersan> had to soft reset my game once since for some stupid reason my AOD went untame instead of a bunch of goddamn gnome Z 13:07 <@rikersan> and then he was hit by a darkness given hunger in the endless stairs on the ascension run :( 13:07 <{Demo}1> as well as an innate "call of the grave" ability that acts like magic whistle but only works 30% of the time and either has some cooldown or costs enough pw for it to not be as powerful as a magic whistle (chance to work might scale with xlvl) 13:08 <@rikersan> demo - right now these would just be for vampires, so is the vamp minion from xp 2 on enough? 13:08 <{Demo}1> just for necro 13:08 <{Demo}1> not for all vamos 13:09 @nalor I disabled the local hdf scoreboard a couple weeks ago 13:09 oops 13:09 @malor 13:09 links to https://scoreboard.xd.cm/ now directly 13:10 <@rikersan> so they can rez as normal Z with no xp limit or penalty? if necro 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anshar, on T:28202 13:11 <@John Keel> oops 13:11 <@John Keel> at least the resists are good 13:12 i try to get crowned in evilhack as soon as possible 13:12 hothraxxa: Message from K2 at 2020-01-11 20:13 EST: turns out this is a vanilla bug 13:12 hothraxxa: Message from K2 at 2020-01-11 20:23 EST: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/279 13:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:12 vanilla eh 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27815 13:12 <@rikersan> demo: possibly that could be tied with undead minions following better? like echidna and animals (call of the grave) 13:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:13 <{Demo}1> i've never had a particularly functional experience with even "improved" pet following in any nethack, ever (i swear the ai is so dumb) 13:14 <@rikersan> fair 13:14 -!- Ytteb has joined #hardfought 13:19 <@John Keel> just got some genocide scrolls finally 13:19 <@John Keel> what's good to wipe out in evil? 13:19 @rikersan: getting dnhslex to build on windows was a royal pain in the ass, I'd really like to see the build that Chris allegedly runs because he keeps saying he develops on windows... 13:19 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2020-01-12 12:40 EST: how hard was building dnh on windows? I recall you did that for dnhslex? 13:19 depends on how far you've advanced. are you familiar with how genocide works in evil? 13:20 hm 30k turns... 13:20 <@rikersan> amy: hah, so would I 13:20 <@rikersan> he has tons of features on local that he hasn't pushed and maybe never will though 13:20 I'm wondering why he doesn't simply put a windows-compilable build up on github... 13:21 heh why? I have exactly zero non-pushed local slex features right now :P 13:21 @john keel: i usually hang on to them until i see either L or mind flayers 13:21 why keep stuff secret? just because I might otherwise steal them or...? 13:21 remember that blessed genocide only take out two of the class you select 13:22 tends to be the two most powerful but that's no guarantee 13:22 <@John Keel> alright, thanks 13:22 do not use blessed genocide on h because there's way too many types 13:22 <@John Keel> I'm playing an illithid anyway 13:22 ah 13:22 so that's covered 13:23 <@rikersan> amy they're not finished 13:23 <@John Keel> does the memory-loss resistance work always for illithid character? 13:23 <@rikersan> so it's just a bunch of broken stuff 13:23 <@John Keel> because if so no real reason to take out master mind flayers with restore ability 13:23 anyway in addition to the usual, vampire mages are nasty so i often take them out 13:23 @rikersan ahh I see 13:23 <@John Keel> I've got 4 anyway 13:23 <@John Keel> polypiling 13:23 my half-finished stuff is in text documents, waiting to be pasted when they're ready :D 13:23 i don't know how illithids work, ask k2. he's played some 13:23 <@John Keel> two on L, one on V probably will hit mages right? 13:24 <@John Keel> and then maybe one on J? vorpal jabberwocks have an instakill right? 13:24 not sure about the V, i have always used unblessed on them. there's too many types, with vampire lords, ladies, etc 13:24 <@John Keel> or is it worth unblessing two scrolls for mages and vorpals 13:25 yeah vorpal jabberwocks are a good choice 13:25 since there only two J, blessed works 13:26 <@John Keel> oh, snarks are ungenocidable yeah 13:26 hill giant mages are also worth taking out, although a lower priority 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class J), on T:28416 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:28417 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:28418 13:27 <@John Keel> will hold the last scroll for now 13:27 <@John Keel> vampire or hill giant mages 13:27 <@John Keel> thanks for the advice 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:28989 13:28 vampire mage is worse. always glad to help 13:28 [hdf-us] [ndnh] purge (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2829 13:29 died to a vorpal jabberwock my last evilhack game i think on the rogue level. just didn't process what it was 13:29 (beheaded) 13:29 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:29 i forgot that snark is J, and yes you can genocide them so a blessed scroll might not get vorpal jabberwocks 13:29 it's boojums you can't genocide 13:30 snarks give disint. resistance. i like them 13:30 only 5% though 13:30 true 13:30 but i play long games ;) 13:30 a pain to chase too 13:31 a use for that slow monster wand you never use 13:31 ahhh good point 13:31 i learn a lot of tricks from ya ! 13:31 just remember where you lizard corpse is 13:31 :( 13:33 nice thing about this game is that since i found my previous game's bones, it's more or less a continuation 13:33 heh. that's the best 13:33 i thought getting zapped by the elf with the wand of death was unlucky 13:34 then i found the bones and found out it was double bones, there was dbanethacker as well 13:34 turns out dbanethacker stepped on a level teleport trap and ended up right next to the same elf 13:35 so that was even worse luck than mine. but worse again, he was carrying but not wearing an amulet of reflection 13:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:36 <@John Keel> Anshar has prohibited you from using edged weapons such as Stormbringers! 13:36 <@John Keel> wow, rude 13:36 yeah that's a pain 13:36 <@John Keel> you GAVE me this weapon anshar 13:36 however evilhack monks have way better martial arts than vanilla 13:37 truth 13:37 i got two giant monks to astral with martial arts 13:37 at least you can't Keel your own pets by mistake now 13:37 then i splatted both of them 13:37 Stormbringers? Plural? 13:37 <@John Keel> badum tsh 13:37 * hothraxxa sends amateurhour to the punalty box 13:37 I love martial arts in EH. Wish i had them in my vanilla game lol 13:38 what I don't like in evilhack is when monsters inexplicably disappear without a mesage 13:38 only it turns out they hopped up the stairs 13:38 that happens in every variant, no? 13:39 "foo escapes upstairs!" 13:39 oh you mean when you can see the stairs? 13:39 yes, via telepathy or skilled detect monster 13:40 i hadn't noticed that, but look, it's evilhack right? 13:40 actually come to think of it, i have seen that. juiblex did that to me 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29008 13:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] purge (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9392 points, T:4123, killed by a killer bee 13:41 I feel like most of the time you will already have seen the stairs they're escaping on so it's not a huge guess 13:52 do you get teleported on top of lava/water if you aren't able to teleport in a specific location? 13:52 not normally 13:52 generally, the code will not randomly place you on top of a dangerous location 13:53 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 83412 points, T:18379, killed by invisible Dantalion 13:53 it teleported me outside gehennom on the lava 13:53 are you levitating? 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:5052 13:55 if you are levitating (or flying in evil) then lava/water is considered a safe destination 13:55 ok 13:55 probably vanilla behaviour 13:55 <@John Keel> or waterbreathing for just water 13:56 not sure about that one. your inventory is at risk 13:56 btw don't assume that fireproof waterwalking boots makes it safe to walk on lava 13:57 anything flammable in your inventory will burn 13:57 including your boh, which is why i tend to fireproof mine 13:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:03 psionic wave doesn't do much damage 14:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 15999 points, T:3081, killed by a leocrotta 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:21718 14:08 <@Umby> Hello hello 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:79110 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:79116 14:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18402 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:34841 14:21 at least it's not edged 14:22 did a lot of the variants change monks? 14:23 <@rikersan> I think so, mainly since last I checked vanilla monks are pretty weak 14:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2535 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 246 points, T:469, killed by a goblin 14:27 <@Umby> lol Ogresmasher 14:27 I did not really change monks, yet. 14:27 They're not a super high priority of mine. 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to her by Anshar, on T:36601 14:31 <@John Keel> I think this is the second pair of gifted fumble boots 14:33 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 8 points, T:16, killed by shredding of the soul 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 276 points, T:707, killed by a large mimic 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet named cursed on an altar, on T:3018 14:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 2457 points, T:1885, killed by Andromalius, while paralyzed by a monster 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:67209 14:40 YANI: assuming you're in some variant where you can bet your soul against a demon lord or otherwise lose your soul: if you have lost your soul, your god will never help you again; your sacrifices will never get rewarded with a gift and your otherwise successful prayers will go unanswered. Maybe you should lose protection as well. 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:37522 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible hothraxxa's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:12723 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:79958 14:51 <@Umby> That's... rough as fuck 14:51 <@Umby> But also very appropriate 14:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:21558 14:54 Well, if you could by some means regain your soul, all of that would again be available. Whether or not you can would depend on the variant. 14:54 if you have no soul, how would you sacrifice the Amulet of Yendor 14:54 by offering it on the high altar 14:54 I don't see what a soul has to do with it 14:55 <@rikersan> just because you don't have a soul doesn't mean they won't accept your gifts 14:55 <@rikersan> just that they're not going to give you any 14:55 you get nothing from sacrificing with no soul 14:55 you get nothing from sacrificing with no soul 14:55 oops 14:55 <@rikersan> I mean the gift still disappears 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide gauntlets of protection", on T:37511 14:56 <@Umby> It'd basically be an alternate "disgraceful" win condition 14:56 <@Umby> you complete the game but instead of demigodhood you become the truest incarnation of War and its soulless destruction 14:57 It wouldn't even be a stain on your win (especially if it makes the game unambiguously harder) 14:57 <@carlarc> oh man i love that umby 14:57 it would end up as less than the "good ending" for your character, probably, yes 15:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:7042 15:02 "Ordinarily I would reward thy soul with immortality, but it seems you haven't got a soul to reward. A shame." Thor siezes the amulet and leaves you to die. 15:04 finally managed to do the protection racket on a tourist 15:05 jonadab: and Thor came from where, exactly? 15:06 @John Keel illithids are immune to all forms of amnesia, so no real need to have to genocide flayers 15:06 and thanks, you identified two bugs in one turn 15:07 1) priests should not get an edged weapon when crowned, 2) verbage is wrong with using an edged artifact as a priest 15:09 what should I know when facing Vlad the impaler 15:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 16528 points, T:9399, killed by Mr. Krnov, the shopkeeper, while fainted from lack of food 15:11 vanilla already buffed up vlad a fair amount in 3.6.x, he's tweaked a bit more in evilhack 15:11 1) can cast monster spells 15:11 2) wields a two-handed artifact called 'Lifestealer' 15:11 I think he's wielding Stormbringer and is retarg srrong 15:11 in vanilla I started putting a boulder on the stairs to avoid him fleeing after someone mentioned it on irc 15:11 it drains like stormbringer 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide robe", on T:39323 15:12 amateurhour yeah thats a good idea 15:12 <@rikersan> I think that's hothraxxa's favorite thing? the boulder on stairs? 15:12 down side is you cant escape either if you need to 15:12 probably was hothraxxa that told me to do it, haha 15:12 <@rikersan> cursed tele scrolls? 15:12 or invoking eye for branchport? 15:12 i didnt adjust vlad's inventory other than lifestealer 15:13 *twohanded sword 15:14 I might die to Vlad on stream but what the hell 15:15 could just stone him with that cockatrice 15:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 32442 points, T:5504, killed by Cerberus 15:16 high level spellcasters can cast stone to flesh on themselves 15:17 there's a timeout of course, they cant cast it all the time 15:17 including vlad then? 15:17 but using a cocktrice corpse may not be the best strategy 15:17 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 15:17 yup 15:17 does that include Orcus as well? 15:18 yes 15:18 in evilhack all demon lords/princes can cast spells 15:18 well there goes my usual gehennom gameplay if I ever play evilhack 15:18 why not all of them do in vanilla always surprised me 15:18 which ones did/do? 15:19 i need to look 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:134804 15:20 <@rikersan> dispater & demo I believe 15:20 <@rikersan> unless you count yeen's magic missiles, they're the only ones with any spellcasting 15:20 in vanilla, it was just orcus, dispater and demogorgon 15:21 others like asmo and baaz have magic attacks but its a specific attack and not a full range of monster spells 15:21 what about using a scroll of scare monster 15:22 that wont work on boss monsters 15:25 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:27 on an Archon, are they vulnerable to acid blast 15:27 most monsters are vulnerable to acid. and lightning 15:27 archon has shield, lightning would reflect 15:27 <@rikersan> archons resist lightning anyway 15:27 true. just stating for information sake 15:28 <@rikersan> I think most angels do 15:28 demons are vulnerbale to cold, angels to fire 15:28 archons aren't vulnerable to fire 15:28 why i tend to call fire brand 'astral brand' 15:29 <@rikersan> the monst.c says fire, cold, shock, sleep, pois for archons in particular 15:29 archon is a type of angel 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a copper helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:13282 15:29 i meant the actual angel monster 15:29 Evil Patch idea: replace all the hostile angels on astral with archons. 15:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1997 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:135307 15:30 actually: aosdict: how do you get those YANIs and YASIs? with jonadab's EPI database dead, would it be a lot of work for you to make an EPI list or can it be automated? 15:30 because having a new EPI database would be great :) 15:31 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:135315 15:32 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc13a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 245 points, T:1006, killed by a kitten 15:32 @John Keel - will be easy to fix the crowning weapon bit with priests 15:32 sorry i missed that one 15:33 <@rikersan> what's the new gift going to be? 15:33 demonbane makes sense 15:33 ^ silver mace in evilhack 15:33 <@rikersan> isn't that the first gift? 15:33 yeah it is 15:33 hmm 15:33 <@rikersan> ogresmasher? :p 15:33 hahah 15:33 <@rikersan> does evilhack give monks an actual crowning gift? 15:34 <@rikersan> if not, a spellbook of remove curse could be a possibility 15:34 -!- Nobbs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34 i didnt change monk crowning gift since restore ability is actually more useful in evilhack 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:135465 15:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed Ring of slow digestion", on T:2398 15:35 <@rikersan> would a remove curse book even be useful? 15:35 @rld - isnt there a default linux subsystem in windows now? just need to turn it on 15:35 then you can run linux code 15:35 <@rikersan> for doing what? 15:35 WSL 15:35 ^ has it on my win10 machine 15:36 <@rikersan> yeah if you're referring to ndnh backscroll WSL is the best option probably 15:36 <@rikersan> that being said dnethack took me ages to figure out how to compile on mac, which isn't much different from your avg linux distro 15:37 mjollnir would be a decent crowning gift for a priest 15:37 <@rikersan> even if it's valkryie favoring? 15:38 yeah. its base weapon is not the puny war hammer like in vanilla 15:38 it can actually dish out some decent physical damage 15:38 <@rikersan> if you're not adverse to modifying sunsword, that could become the first gift and then demonbane the crowning gift? (reasonable to start with dmg vs undead then upgrade to demons later?) 15:38 i did adjust sunsword. its silver 15:39 plus its great when fighting zombies 15:39 <@rikersan> I meant by base type to something blunt/ non-edged 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:135600 15:39 <@rikersan> since it would have the same issues as stormbringer in its current state 15:39 suntinopener? 15:39 sunrubberhose? 15:40 <@rikersan> I was thinking more of a morning star with the spiky head being a neutron star but that works too 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:135629 15:40 heh 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:135636 15:41 <@rikersan> hah, that would actually be mildly amusing - sunsword being a morning star, just from the unfunny name pun 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4980 15:42 YANI: chaotic-aligned artifact morning star with an allusion to Lucifer 15:43 has anyone played some FIQhack 15:43 i have been challenged to a game of uno by my kid. gonna go lose a few rounds and come back to a decent priest crowning gift 15:43 <@rikersan> have fun! 15:43 enjoy yourself 15:43 <@rikersan> umbire: hm, a chaotic morning star would be interesting 15:44 <@rikersan> *demonic 15:44 seeya K2 15:44 <@rikersan> but I'm not sure what lucifer's general state of being is? is he still an angel technically? 15:44 fallen angel 15:44 so A but chaotic? 15:44 <@rikersan> well yeah but is that a demon? or just a fallen angel? 15:45 depends on which line of demonology/theology/etc. you adhere to 15:45 <@rikersan> what attacks would it have? demonic ones, or just twisted angelic ones? 15:46 LarienTelrunya: I search logs for a number of search terms, then manually transfer them to the wiki, condensed and refined as needed. 15:47 I'm thinking of discontinuing the YASI database because it's getting to be more work for less value. 15:47 I could probably take over depending on how much needs to be done 15:47 <@rikersan> not sure we really need a YASI database anyway 15:48 I have an AWS t2.micro instance, but I'm disinclined to bother with webmastering a site on it. 15:48 A wiki user subpage might be enough 15:48 well, "enough" 15:48 <@rikersan> that's where it is right now 15:48 @rikersan yeah, they're basically demons as far as D&D is concerned 15:49 question of making them A or & 15:49 Umbire: The YASI database *is* a wiki user subpage. 15:49 You mentioned a micro instance and webmastering so I completely galaxy brained an assumed this was an offsite list you mean instead 15:50 I do sort of want to move YANIs into a form that is more easily tagged and searched, but working on actual nethack is more important to me than that 15:51 that would probably require setting up an actual site, if only a minimal blog platform 15:51 Which is why I offered to take over scraping for any YANI stuff, I could adopt the page, set up a tumblr, etc. 15:51 Like I said, depends on how much I'd actually need to do or what I'd need to use 15:52 <@rikersan> I like how the YANI archive is structured now 15:52 <@rikersan> I mean could it be better? maybe, but I see no issues with it right now 15:52 Umbire: Oh, I fully intend to continue documenting YANIs. It's YASIs that are getting tedious. 15:52 <@rikersan> and probably unnecessary? 15:53 Oh, the SILLY ideas as opposed to the "legit" new ideas 15:53 @rikersan Taggable ideas would be very nice to have, plus browse-tag and search-by-tag functionality 15:53 <@rikersan> that's true 15:53 That sounds like "set up a blog/tumblr" territory 15:54 I don't want to go anywhere near tumblr. 15:54 Which is why I'm offering so you don't have to :B 15:54 <@rikersan> oh aosdict thanks for reminding me the YANI page exists 15:54 <@rikersan> was just grepping for any past ideas I've put on there and saw the callandor one 15:54 (it's the same as any other social media site in that you sorta have to go out of your way to see the weirder sides, plus it's not necessarily any worse/better in that regard) 15:55 <@rikersan> dnethack recently implemented san loss & varying madnesses (delusions, paranoia, etc.) so that could be interesting 15:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:56 o/ 15:56 Umbire: I don't claim ownership of the ideas (authorship of some yes, but not ownership) so do whatever you'd like with them; my only misgiving is that it will be hard to keep two data sources in sync. (If I set up a blog framework for ideas, it would obsolete the giant wiki page table). 15:57 I won't claim ownership either except for whatever additions I make 15:57 :B 15:57 I was looking into using github pages for it 15:58 Oh? 15:58 That might not be a bad idea 15:58 but am gitscrub 15:58 so iunno how well it would/wouldn't work for sure 15:58 I don't know how much support that has for the tagging stuff 15:58 <@rikersan> github pages might work, you'd probably need some sort of backend though? 15:58 <@rikersan> yeah for tag searching 15:59 played entire deck, got destroyed. as usual 15:59 @rikersan Depends on whether Jekyll has that built in. 15:59 send that boy to the Uno World Championships tbh 15:59 girl 15:59 <@rikersan> aosdict: messed with your page, there was a dupe idea put in there (mine that I think I mentioned again to chris) 16:00 see? with proper tagging this wouldn't happen :P 16:01 <@rikersan> lol 16:01 heh 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:137368 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:137370 16:02 a cursory search indicates that jekyll does have tag support, which would indicate that doing it on github pages might be feasible 16:05 Neat 16:06 Come on Merlek 16:06 i think mjollnir will be it for crowning for priests 16:06 its non-aligned 16:06 its a blunt weapon, its better than its vanilla counterpart 16:06 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 16:07 Umbire working on it :) 16:07 * Umbire #prays 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class S, on T:137493 16:08 merlek is saint patrick 16:10 hahahah 16:10 wait, why snakes specifically? 16:11 there's a legend about him forcing all the snakes in Ireland into the sea, explaining why no snakes are native to Ireland 16:11 <@rikersan> if you geno a, summon ants does snakes instead 16:11 <@rikersan> if you geno S, then they don't summon anything i believe 16:11 ty riker, that's what I meant 16:11 I like the ants, they're a good buffer 16:11 I got the St. Patrick joke :B 16:11 not vs the riders but vs all the angels and priests 16:12 I didn't know merlek geno'd a earlier 16:12 <@rikersan> I didn't either, I'm just assuming that's why 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:137570 16:12 :D ? 16:12 I assumed it was for dealing with pythons on the plane of water 16:12 <@rikersan> ah that's much more likely 16:12 Yuh 16:13 well, that and summon insects 16:13 though in that case I expected team ; to eat a geno 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2209032 points, T:137587, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Merlek/nethack/dumplog/1578662546.nh.html 16:13 GG! 16:13 grats merlek 16:13 <@rikersan> he already did 16:13 woo congrats merlek 16:13 <@rikersan> grats merlek 16:14 baw, I can't see the link 16:14 gratz!! 16:14 <@rikersan> give it a moment 16:14 congrats 16:14 well that was the most uneventful astral I've seen I think. 16:14 thanks everyone :) 16:15 all those +7s 16:15 what'd you do to clear the way through? 16:15 on astral? 16:15 mhm 16:16 wand of tele all the way :) 16:16 nice 16:16 no bones, no extra artifacts (that I saw anyway) 16:16 oh, there's crowning gift lol 16:17 yeah, didn't have any luck with getting resistances so took the easy way out 16:18 aosdict do you know of a command in wizmode to make it easy to get crowned? 16:18 no 16:18 you can force the gods to be pleased of course 16:18 <@rikersan> k2: I normally set the if statement for gcrownu to if 1==1 16:18 ah 16:18 thanks 16:23 -!- merlek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 well that part worked 16:30 forgot to unwield my mace 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14545 16:38 well that gamble paid off 16:38 already have reflection 16:46 Nice 16:50 aosdict: awwwww I liked your YANI/YASI pages :( 16:51 LarienTelrunya: is this on me saying I want to discontinue the YASI page or on me saying I have some interest in moving the YANI page off the wiki? 16:52 it's in reply to discontinuing the YASI page 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:24221 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24222 16:52 It would probably not be hard for jonadab to automatically track YASIs like he does EPIs. 16:52 moving them off the wiki would be no problem as long as I can still read them, obviously :D (if I can't, I'll be crying but oh well) 16:53 well jonadab discontinued his EPI page, sadly :( 16:53 so right now there's no page that tracks EPIs, even though there might have been a ton since october 2019 16:53 Did he give a reason? It seemed like it chugged along fine without really requiring maintenance. 16:53 yeah he said the machine he was using to collect them has died 16:54 I can do a grep 'EPI|Evil Patch Idea' -C 5 on all my log files and pastebin it if you want 16:55 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would be great! 16:56 hmm, filtering based on date, how to do that... you obviously don't want all of them since I started keeping logs 16:57 oh I probably wouldn't mind, you'd catch the ones from channels that jonadab was not in ;) 16:57 or would it make the file too large? 16:58 I get 2875993 bytes 16:58 for all of them since I started taking logs on this machine (roughly a year) 16:59 is that a size that pastebin will handle or would it give a "file too big" error? 17:01 dunno. I should probably just give all since oct 1st 17:03 also, remember to add them to the qdb if they're as funny as the environmentalist epi 17:04 hang on, I actually *had* an EPI collecting script and it just hasn't been updated... 17:05 it's only 317K bytes for the whole history of everything 17:05 with context=5 17:06 oh, does that mean it shows the message in which the EPI string appeared and the previous/next two messages? 17:07 it's the previous and following 5 messages 17:07 which is perhaps a bit too much 17:07 EPIs don't have as much fruitful discussion around them 17:08 does it check only for "EPI" or also for "evil patch"? 17:08 both 17:08 :) 17:08 yeah context=3 would probably be more than enough 17:11 oh do you care about timestamp data? 17:11 probably not? 17:11 no, not required 17:13 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 17:13 https://pastebin.com/KNxpZBk8 17:13 -!- tonehack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 17:14 You are surrounded by a shimmering light. You finish your prayer. You feel that Manannan Mac Lir is pleased. 17:14 The voice of Manannan Mac Lir thunders: "Thou art chosen to steal souls for My Glory!" 17:14 A hammer appears at your feet! 17:14 N - a blessed rustproof heavy war hammer named Mjollnir (60 aum). 17:14 need to adjust the 'steal souls' bit 17:15 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:15 just change it to "Hammer time!" 17:16 hahah 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed Magic Marker", on T:24814 17:19 Iunno, hammers are a pretty effective way to knock souls out of bodies 17:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44056 17:21 yaaaaaaaaaay thanks a lot aosdict! ♥♥♥ :) 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44100 17:22 The voice of Susanowo thunders: "Thou art chosen to take lives for My Glory!" 17:22 A hammer appears at your rear hooves! 17:22 thats better 17:25 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Nbn Cha) performed their first genocide (human), on T:1 17:28 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 17:28 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 17:34 what if I teleport Vlad away from the candelbrum 17:35 then TP out via confused teleport 17:35 well 2 things 17:36 the candelbrum is in his inventory 17:36 ah yeah just one thing 17:36 so yeah 17:36 ok yeah 17:36 just get a source of drain res 17:37 vlad isnt nearly so bad if you have drain res 17:39 is he generated asleep 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:44268 17:39 hold on let me look that up actually 17:39 more like waiting for you 17:40 "The force is with you young Skywalker.. but you are not a Jedi yet." 17:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41 he can teleport, right? 17:41 to the stairs yeah 17:43 !who 17:43 FIQ: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] amelie [evil] Shinobars [nh370] Kevkat [nh370] post163 [spl] purge [dnh] Heliokopis [dnh] malor [dnh] darthdiablo [fh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [nh370] Graznop [nh370] amateurhour [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1970973 points, T:81589, killed by invisible Vlad the Impaler 17:48 ok 17:49 he's actually freakishly strong 17:52 did you beat him? 17:52 oh 17:52 nope I died 17:52 ah :( 17:52 :( 17:52 good run though 17:53 for evilhack vlad, i use paralysis 17:53 doesn't always work 17:54 a silver weapon helps of course 17:54 I don't suppose you can digest him as a dragon/purple worm.. 17:54 i've never tried a poly strategy 17:55 -!- Ytteb has quit [Quit: Ytteb] 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:24958 17:55 aahghg I jut realised I should have invoked amulet right after teleporting him away 17:56 *invoked eye's levelport 17:57 !lastgame amelie 17:57 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amelie/evilhack/dumplog/1578178221.evil.html 17:57 ugh no drain res 17:58 nice patch idea: an artifact magic lamp that gives 3 wishes 17:58 a decent wish if stormbringer isnt an option is a dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance 17:59 oh yeah I could use that 17:59 t-shirts are an extra layer of armour 18:00 holy shit 18:00 Your deadly hide disintegrates Vlad the Impaler! Welcome back to experience level 30. 18:00 polyed into black dragon 18:00 he took one swipe at me 18:01 lucky 18:01 prolly 18:01 was not expecting that 18:01 I mean, wasn't the next option just breathing at him? same result 18:01 yeah 18:03 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 18:04 You bite it. You engulf it! You destroy it! Welcome back to experience level 30. You totally digest it. 18:05 purple worm 18:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7403 18:06 thanks a_boudelia, that opens up new strategies for me 18:08 * K2 makes all unique monsters in evilhack MZ_HUGE 18:08 or i can just give each of them a ring of slow digestion 18:08 hah 18:09 wouldn't stop the black dragon 18:09 which would be my first choice anyway 18:09 * K2 makes all unique monsters in evilhack MR_DISINT 18:10 :P 18:11 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc15a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 225 points, T:564, killed by a gas spore's explosion 18:11 not going far enough 18:12 you need to make all monsters in evilhack MR_DISINT 18:12 only the player can get disintegrated 18:12 evilhack has never particularly cared about symmetry 18:12 um false 18:12 ok someone's bones file has an ancient pseudodragon 18:12 on the first level of mines 18:12 probably mine 18:13 <@John Keel> The black unicorn retrieves 5 potions of healing from the chest. 18:13 give each unique monster a spare scroll of wishing so thay can wish for a lizard corpse, a potion of holy water, black dragon scale mail, or a ring of slow digestion depending on what you use 18:13 <@John Keel> w-what? 18:13 <@John Keel> with what hands? 18:13 @John Keel it's probably a MLP unicorn 18:13 @John Keel you're on a roll today 18:14 quadrupeds shouldnt be able to loot containers 18:14 S_QUADRUPED rather 18:14 centaurs are quads but have hands 18:15 S_UNICORN 18:15 the game doesn't track how many feet each monster has anyway 18:15 or whatever its symbol thing is 18:15 hm. demogorgon disintegrated the second time he hit me 18:15 wow your luck is good right now hothraxxa 18:15 thats odds of that happening are 1 in 40 18:16 you might want to check that. vlad disintegrated on the first hit, demo on the second 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had a mace entrusted to her by Anshar, on T:42527 18:16 i still haven't had to use #monster 18:17 ah 1 in 20 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45354 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45358 18:17 it's not a perfect strategy. dragons don't have hands, for example 18:17 needs some planning 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5396 points, T:4347, killed by a large cat, while fainted from lack of food 18:18 1 in 20 you hitting a black dragon also 18:18 symmetry 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:45386 18:19 i don't hit black dragons, i learned my lesson right at the beginning 18:19 all it cost me was my gloves 18:19 hothraxxa you should play the lottery today 18:19 since then, i polymorph the buggers on sight 18:19 also, devteam fixed the giant boulder autopickoff off thing 18:19 i'll pull it into evilhack tonight 18:20 already? cool! my place in nethack history is secured 18:21 yeah, the commits for 3.7.0 are already out 18:22 I spotted that among a few other nice chances I plan to add to the wiki ASAP 18:22 the 10,000th commit is mine! MINE! 18:25 that may be true but did you ever make Adeon insta die? 18:25 I remember it like it was yesterday 18:26 I suffered a physical and emotional blow from the deepest malevolent plot bhaak put in place 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:45501 18:26 see. you can't claim that you scarred a finnish guy for life. 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45503 18:29 actually 18:29 dying from that run is a GOOD thing, because now I have opportunity to wish for magic mirror of merlin, and key of thievery 18:29 mmom does not convey mr in evilhack 18:29 there were too many artifacts generated for a wish to do anything 18:30 mmom doubles magic missile spell damage 18:30 yes 18:30 around xl30, you do around 110 damage average with it 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:11340 18:33 if you wish for a cross-aligned artifact, you can pick it up if you have good alignment record yes? 18:36 <@IceBox> not if it's an intelligent cross-aligned artifact 18:36 <@IceBox> i dont think* 18:36 <@IceBox> non-intelligent non-aligned artifacts definitely will always blast you though, so keep that in mind 18:36 oh 18:37 <@IceBox> i just checked the wiki and that might only be for quest artifacts 18:37 <@IceBox> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Intelligent_artifact 18:37 <@IceBox> intelligent quest artifacts that dont match your alignment will evade your grasp and cant even be picked up 18:37 ok 18:37 helm of opposite alignment 18:38 tested it in nh's wizard mode, it works 18:38 :> 18:40 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2474 points, T:2718, killed by a mastodon 18:40 <@IceBox> wait did you think a helm of opposite alignment was an artifact? or you were checking if a helm of OA allowed you to pick up a cross-aligned arti? 18:40 aw crap, dropped my boulders on the altar :( 18:40 helm of opposite alignemnt allows you to bypass the artifact's alignment check 18:41 <@IceBox> yeah it makes you, for ALL intents the new alignment 18:41 yes. do you have a few minutes to talk about your directions in life? 18:41 we have pamphlets 18:42 lol supreme executive power 18:42 this bot is a funny guy 18:44 so, besides the magic mirror of merlin, suppose you wanted artifacts for a wizard 18:44 what would one wish for 18:44 Isn't the MMoM double damage for Knights only? 18:44 apparently it is so 18:44 yeah it's knight only 18:45 in any case what alignment is the wizard 18:45 chaotic only 18:45 if chaotic, def. master key 18:46 then that's basically it 18:46 vanilla chaotic artifacts are sparse even before listing wishworthy ones 18:46 a_boudelia: dragonbane 18:47 only when wielded 18:47 still worthwhile for reflection while casting 18:47 already gained from silver dragon scales 18:47 that's unaligned though, doesn't count :B 18:48 you can sac for magicbane so it being neutral isn't an issue 18:48 acid resistance, dragonhide 18:48 someone needs to start on evilhack artifacts on the wikie 18:48 -e 18:48 umbire: in evilhack, dragonbane is a pair of gloves 18:48 noted 18:49 acid resistance is necessary, becuse crowning 18:49 wait 18:49 Umbire: Depends on K2's philosophy about his own variant on the wiki 18:49 I prefaced my initial responses with vanilla and just continued from that line of thought 18:49 do you get acid resistance from eating yellow dragon corpses 18:49 no 18:49 dragonbane, apron, ydsm 18:49 yeah, it's one of the few you can't get from corpses 18:49 then it will be necessary; an Archon decimated my HP with acid blast spell 18:49 has to be armor or intrinsic to your form 18:50 some variant authors (jonadab) feel that if the variant is popular enough, the author doesn't need to do anything 18:50 nice patch idea: add some one-liners for obtaining dirge 18:50 yeah dispater nearly ruined my first evilhack ascension with acid blasts 18:50 err yani 18:50 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 18:50 other variant authors update pages with specific info about their variant 18:51 (er, I can't think of anyone in this category except Amy, probably) 18:51 changes to artifacts are already listed on EvilHack's article 18:51 as well as the new ones 18:51 wouldn't be too much of a leap to fit that into the variant section on Dragonbane's article, Id think 18:51 I'd* 18:51 right 18:52 the question is whether K2 is going to update that article himself at some point, so you don't have to 18:52 * hothraxxa snickers 18:52 but I want to >; 18:52 * aosdict snickersnee 18:52 k2 might want to as well, but i think his hands are probably full 18:52 well go ahead 18:53 hard enough to keep the evilhack page up to date 18:53 I was very pleasantly surprised when Ardub23 started updating pages with xnethack information 18:54 If his hands are full I'm doing him a favor anyway 18:54 Apropos of nothing, anyone remember where in the game there are iron bars that can't be dissolved with acid? 18:54 one of the quests? 18:54 Most I'm doing is just copying from the existing EvilHack page anyway 18:54 Uhhhhh nope 18:54 anywhere you can't dig 18:54 So Sokoban? 18:54 so castle, for example 18:54 Or wait no 18:54 Yeah 18:54 castle doesn't have iron bars 18:54 talking about vanilla 18:54 yes it does in evilhack 18:54 Oh, if vanilla then no 18:55 i think the same principle applies, though 18:55 if you can't dig the walls you can't dig iron bars 18:55 You don't dig them anyway :B 18:55 I'm aware of the principle, I wanted to know where I could go for wiztesting 18:55 or dissolve to the point 18:55 joking aside I don't think they generate on undiggable spots 18:56 lemme see 18:56 try ranger quest level, maybe? 18:56 I believe orctown's are diggable 18:56 i think so 18:56 Orctown's are dissolvable 18:56 Ranger Quest home is the easiest to test 18:57 i know! devteam office 18:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:47605 18:57 hmm, "Couldn't place lregion type 1!" when generating orctown 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47614 18:58 what about wizard quest goal? 19:00 ranger home works, thanks 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:45926 19:04 <@John Keel> @K2 it might be too strong to force all sacrifice gifts to be blunt artifacts, but I'd like to register my annoyance at my god 19:05 they arent always blunt 19:05 you could get armor 19:05 or daggers 19:05 or even spellbooks 19:05 oh wait 19:05 not daggers as a priest 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:46033 19:06 but yeah you arent supposed to use edged weapons so of course you wont get an edged artifact 19:06 i kept thinking you were a wiz 19:06 I have the crowning bit fixed, just havent pushed yet 19:07 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:46072 19:07 <@John Keel> not just as crowning is my point :) 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15484 19:08 well then he'd have to stop the gods from giving you dunce caps and boots of fumbling 19:08 that wouldn't be evil at all 19:09 oh i see 19:09 you got frost brand 19:09 So was unrestricting via sacrifice changed in EvilHack? 19:09 Also hi K2 19:09 Umbire no it wasnt 19:09 hi 19:09 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:09 @aosdict any findings? 19:12 I found that I implemented the feature correctly 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:47935 19:14 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2447 points, T:2895, killed by a chameleon imitating a lynx 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:16358 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:46526 19:16 @aosdict meaning... 19:16 bars can't dissolve on undiggable-wall floors? 19:17 so, I want to clear up that the nondiggable flag is per-tile, not per-level. 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:47990 19:18 I'm making a consolidation pull request to vanilla of minor xnethack features (one PR per feature would be way too many) and this particular one was breaking down iron bars with force bolts (which obviously shouldn't work if the bars are nondiggable) 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:47175 19:22 @John Keel its on the to-do heh 19:22 K2 this room I'm in has no doors 19:22 fixing the plural bit with artifact weapons atm 19:22 ok 19:23 a_boudelia hmm 19:23 none at all? how long do you search for? 19:23 500+ turns 19:23 per spot? 19:23 I've searched the perimeter of the room 19:23 nothing 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law) helped Death catch some z's, on T:48040 19:24 could be a room generation bug, I dunno 19:24 if your luck is crap it can take longer to find a door 19:24 but... hmm 19:24 you arent searching long enough 19:24 n30s 19:24 then move 3 spaces, rinse repeat 19:24 ok nvm I found the exit 19:25 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 549 points, T:1687, killed by a dwarf zombie, while sleeping 19:25 <@rikersan> john can you get any more blunt artis anyway? 19:25 <@rikersan> are there any left? 19:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 <@rikersan> also hm just realized it's a bit odd for chaotic priests to get a law/neu crowning gift 19:32 <@Umby> lol 19:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 944 points, T:1266, killed by a rothe 19:33 <@Umby> @aosdict yeah force bolts breaking bars is p. weird in general 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed Nalzok, on T:48141 19:33 <@Umby> much less non-diggable ones 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:48142 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2686416 points, T:48059, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shinobars/nethack/dumplog/1578360718.nh.html 19:33 <@Shinobars> i did it! 19:33 <@Shinobars> hurrah! 19:33 grats Shinobars! 19:34 <@Umby> @Shinobars GG, man! 19:34 <@Shinobars> lawful with a helm of opposite alignment and my first altar on astral is neutral 19:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:34 <@Umby> Decided to tough it out and find the right one, eh? 19:34 <@Umby> Good on ya :B 19:35 <@Shinobars> thankfully the riders didn't cause me too much havoc 19:35 <@Umby> Ye 19:35 -!- darthdiablo has joined #hardfought 19:37 How do you acquire see invisible intrinsic in FIQHack? Twice I've ate stalker corpse while being invisible and it just says "Gee you cannot see yourself now" (for 2nd time, after already making myself invisible) 19:37 darthdiablo: Message from K2 at 2020-01-08 10:26 EST: try your game again please, fix in place 19:38 <@rikersan> darth: foubtains? 19:38 hmm. is that the most reliable way in FIQ? 19:39 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 481 points, T:942, killed by a rothe 19:40 guess i'll go source code digging (fiqhack github) :P 19:40 <@John Keel> riker: yes, there are blunt artis I can get (ogresmasher and trollsbane from regular gifts, demonbane from priest first gift) 19:41 <@John Keel> but it's a bit sad to get fire brand and frost brand but not be allowed to use either by my god 19:41 <@John Keel> esp. on top of the crowning thing 19:41 Just get crowned and unrestrict long sword 19:41 4Head 19:41 it is frustrating, yeah 19:41 <@John Keel> there's a -30 penalty for evilhack priests 19:41 <@John Keel> also, they're short swords in evil 19:42 oh, trying to make more useful shorties 19:42 nice 19:42 potion of see invisible This potion magically enhances its drinker's vision, allowing them to see even invisible monsters. The effect is usually temporary, but can be permanent if the potion is empowered with a holy aura. 19:42 guess that's what i need to seek 19:42 i.e. just bless a potion of see invis 19:42 like most *Hacks 19:42 :B 19:42 oh. i have always ate stalker meat in vanilla. I didn't realize blessed potion of see invisible is permanent in vanilla? 19:43 <@rikersan> it is 19:43 <@rikersan> and john I meant left in that current game 19:43 <@rikersan> since I'm pretty sure you've gotten all 3 of those by now 19:43 <@rikersan> is dragonbane an option? 19:45 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:48904 19:46 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed amelie's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1450 19:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:9419 19:48 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:49049 19:48 <@John Keel> dragonbane is gloves, huh 19:49 <@John Keel> reflection and acid resist do seem good for the gloves slot 19:49 <@John Keel> but I already wished for dragonhide gloves of protection too 19:49 <@John Keel> into the chest they go, I'm not reworking things until I have life saving available 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1390 points, T:2127, killed by a gray unicorn 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:49176 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:6, killed by a boulder 19:52 <@John Keel> O.O 19:53 <@John Keel> ah, it was a mace of fire 19:53 weird output 19:53 bug 19:53 <@rikersan> huh, is that what happens when you run out of artifacts to give? 19:53 <@rikersan> *to get 19:53 <@John Keel> @K2 got another bug for you - livelogging of a mace of fire didn't give a description 19:53 <@rikersan> or are those valid pre-artifact things as well? 19:53 <@John Keel> you can get them before as well 19:54 ugh ok 19:54 currently working on not getting edged artifact weapons as a priest when altar sac 19:55 <@John Keel> :D 19:56 I'm browsing the nethack code and seeing a lot of impossible() calls. I still don't understand where you can read impossible() output. Like, there's no debug file or something? I'm definitely missing something 19:56 <@rikersan> it prints that to the main screen 19:57 <@rikersan> it will say "impossible - spell ID not recognized" or whatever the impossible string says 19:57 <@rikersan> it's just that generally speaking you shouldn't be seeing any of that stuff 19:57 Ok, gotcha 👍 19:57 <@rikersan> see pline.c, void impossible() 19:58 thank you 19:58 <@rikersan> np 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had bestowed upon her by Anshar, on T:49292 19:58 <@rikersan> what's that one john? 19:59 <@John Keel> another fire 19:59 <@John Keel> holding out for shock for a build-your-own-minijollnir 20:00 <@John Keel> demonbane will be strong in gehennom but it's not great without silver-haters or demons 20:00 <@John Keel> actually no, fire is fine 20:00 <@John Keel> time to get diving 20:00 <@rikersan> fire is probably good for anything not demons (and astral?) 20:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 28609 points, T:11347, killed by a jaguar 20:04 <@John Keel> I can cast lightning (at unskilled) for anything else 20:05 <@John Keel> probably will do one more round of polypiling after I get the castle wand 20:05 <@John Keel> acid would be nice 20:05 -!- darthdiablo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2276 points, T:2831, burned by a tower of flame 20:11 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 20:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:3736 20:13 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1387 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:19217 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed amelie's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1748 20:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Bin Clk Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:8815 20:31 aosdict: I just picked a diety name at random. It could be, you know, whichever one whose high altar you were using. 20:32 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:51291 20:33 aosdict: My main reason for discontinuing my public EPI tracking service was that I felt it had long since demonstrated what I intended to demonstrate, to the extent that it was going to be able to do so. And yes, the system it was running on died, and I'd have had to set it up again on the new system, and I did not see a reason to do so at this point. 20:34 aosdict: "Amy wants it" does not, in my book, qualify as a reason for me to do a thing. 20:35 aosdict: I actually feel that it is inappropriate and a conflict of interest for a variant author to write up a ton of stuff about his own game on the wiki. 20:35 The wiki is meant to be the players' resource. 20:36 I'm aware of your feelings on that, and my own position isn't very ideologically different, but it feels a bit like shooting yourself in the foot, doesn't it? 20:37 When you don't put a lot of content about your variant on the wiki, less interested players play it because there isn't a good source of information about it, and because there are less interested players, the chance that someone starts adding that content themselves is low 20:37 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:37 s/less/fewer/g 20:38 i'm with aosdict on this one 20:38 putting info about evilhack on the wiki has been a big help. no one else is going to know the vatiant better than I 20:38 *variant 20:39 aosdict: When you put a lot of content about your own variant on the wiki, that's shameless self promotion, and that's not how I roll. 20:40 I do publish spoilers for Fourk, and a changelog, and stuff. And the wiki article on Fourk links to them. 20:40 So people CAN find the information. 20:40 Heck, the git log is public. 20:40 shameless self promotion is jumping into irc and saying 'hey you play my variant its so fun! *bundlebundlebundle* 20:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Bin Clk Mal Non), 13742 points, T:10263, killed by Mr. Tsjernigof, the shopkeeper, while immobilized by slipping gears. 20:40 Yeah, I don't do that either. 20:40 putting useful info on the wiki? no thats not shameless self promotion 20:41 It might maybe sort of kind of be shameless self promotion to go out and plaster information in a bunch of other articles' Variant sections, and I don't do that 20:41 but it certainly is not self promotion to maintain the variant's own page 20:41 'build it and they will come' 20:41 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 20:41 but they gotta know about it first 20:42 and even something about it to garner interest 20:42 K2: In your case, it's 'appeal to gamers' latent masochistic tendencies and they will come' 20:42 I think I have a potential luck run, finally got a illithid wizard to make it to sokoban 20:42 aosdict: with yours its 'its so easy even your gradma can ascend and they will come' 20:42 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43 grandma even :) 20:43 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 20:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 20:43 a_boudelia nice 20:43 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 20:44 xnethack's goal is NOT to be an easier game. it's to be a richer and more interesting game 20:46 <{Demo}1> at least in xnh i will never get killed by a certain vanilla monster 20:46 xnethack is on the easier side of the spectrum. whether that was the intent or not, thats how it is 20:47 fine by me 20:47 I've stripped away a lot of the *artificial* difficulty 20:47 heh 20:47 you see artificial difficulty as real difficulty 20:47 so no wonder you see it as a much easier game 20:47 <{Demo}1> i agree with that 20:48 i'm confused... what is 'artifact difficulty' 20:48 gah 20:48 artificial 20:48 still working on this priest artifact thing 20:48 K2: It's mainly the plastering it all over everywhere that I'm thinking of, yeah. 20:49 Err, aosdict ^ 20:49 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Bin Hlf Mal Non), 292 points, T:1537, killed by an arrow 20:50 plus I ascended xnh 8 times in one months time 20:51 still dont get this 'artificial difficulty' thing 20:51 jonadab: But you wouldn't object to what Umbire or Ardub23 are doing? 20:51 Since they are not the variant authors? 20:51 buh wah 20:51 oh, the thing about editing wiki articles 20:51 aosdict: Oh, wasn't following those details. 20:52 <@rikersan> neither of them are adding any pages, right? 20:52 <@rikersan> I know ardub has decreed himself proofeader and is mostly fixing formatting/typos 20:52 for instance, ardub23 has done some of what might be called "plastering" of xnethack stuff in variants sections 20:52 I was just responding because someone nickpinged me and said basically "jonadab doesn't think a variant author needs to put information on the wiki" or some such. 20:52 <@rikersan> haven't followed umbire's - he's not editing enough dnethack pages that I follow 20:52 but since I am not ardub23, it's not shameless self promotion 20:53 aosdict: Ah. Well, I don't know if it's the right thing for the article, but yeah, at worst it's bad judgement. It's not _unethical_ or a conflict of interest. 20:53 jonadab: I'd say you're at one extreme of the ideological spectrum. 20:53 <{Demo}1> yeah 20:53 <@rikersan> I believe that's partially the reason a lot of dnethack stuff ended up in chris's userspace, and now is slowly getting merged into the main namespace 20:54 And yes, I know the dictionaries say "judgment" is correct, but I don't care. 20:54 (Well, not the extreme; the extreme would be sgrunt, who doesn't document ANYTHING) 20:54 <@rikersan> which is somewhat annoying IMO - but I understand that since dnh adds a lot of new stuff, anybody looking for vanilla stuff might have been swamped 20:54 Yeah, I did put links in the External Links section on the Fourk article, pointing to the spoilers and changelog and such. 20:54 And the git repo. 20:54 the other extreme would be regularly going out and updating pages which tangentially touch the variant's features, writing strategy articles about them 20:55 and no one does that 20:55 Heck, I wrote the code that generates the monster/item/artifact spoilers. 20:55 (not even amy; amy adds too much content to do that comprehensively) 20:55 <{Demo}1> it was probably perl 20:55 <{Demo}1> so it doesnt count 20:55 It was C. 20:55 Because it's built into the game. 20:55 It's a wizmode command, #spoilers 20:55 That writes spoiler files out. 20:55 Personally I love what ardub23 is doing - having interesting variants sections on pages is what gets vanilla players interested in variants 20:55 <{Demo}1> why doesnt ur ci/cd do that 20:56 <{Demo}1> if ur ci/cd doesn't update the wiki do u even have ci/cd? 20:57 aosdict: That's more of a "how do we want the wiki to be structured" question, which I don't have particularly strong opinions about, one way or the other. 20:57 But in any case that's something that can be debated on wiki talk pages if people want to propose reorganizing it some way. 20:57 Or in the wiki channel on freenode. 20:57 Good to know the EPI parser is dead; long live the EPI parser. I may end up setting one up in the future. Who knows. 20:58 <{Demo}1> did k2 kill it by implementing them all in evilhack? 20:58 No. 20:58 <{Demo}1> did amy kill it by implementing them all in slex evil variant mode? 20:58 {Demo}1 i've added one actual EPI 20:58 thats it 20:58 K2 only implemented a handful of the least extreme ones. 20:59 <{Demo}1> hey k2, epi: merge the latest 3.7.0 changes into evilhack when they come up 20:59 @rikersan for the record, I'm not creating new pages solely from scratch 20:59 <@rikersan> what major changes has 3.7 even made? 20:59 <{Demo}1> get it cause it's gonna be evil trying to merge all the big changes and stuff in? 20:59 K2: Was that the one about gelcubes? I don't remember now. 21:00 rikersan: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/compare/a1483afc0ba8...5bffd366399d 21:00 <{Demo}1> lua parser and new map format i think 21:00 @rikersan mysterious force nerfed (the hand of izchak prevents it from being removed entirely, apparently) 21:00 <{Demo}1> oh hmm hasnt done it yet i guess 21:00 paranoid water and paranoid trap, if those go in, will be big 21:00 <@rikersan> umbire: yeah I've read some of that but I saw no major changes 21:00 gelcubes came from grunthack. that wasnt someones EPI 21:01 <@rikersan> just QoL changes, some wizmode stuff, bugs, etc. 21:01 rikersan, K2: specifically, all I'm doing is just making/editing pages for EvilHack stuff based on what's already present on the EvilHack article 21:01 Oh, wait, it was probably crocodiles. 21:01 which, I feel like that's fine but aosdict wanted to be absolutely sure 21:01 Umbire you're doing some evilhack wiki updates? didnt know that 21:01 The death roll. 21:01 cool 21:02 was planning to make updates, rather 21:02 Umbire: No, it's totally fine by anyone's metric, I just think K2 might do it himself given enough time 21:02 assuming it's not a problem 21:02 you could then devote your time to something more important, like spork updates :) 21:02 yeah, I just figure who does it isn't an issue so long as it gets done 21:03 go for it 21:03 ur a sporkr 21:03 *spork 21:03 i've recently updated existing sections, but there's 2-3 major sections that I havent added yet 21:03 I'm basically just copying existing article info to separate new or relevant articles 21:04 <{Demo}1> i wonder if i can get mbm to write ndnh strategy guides for me 21:05 brb 21:06 kk 21:08 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 21:08 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:24397 21:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3655 points, T:4557, killed by a mithril crossbow bolt 21:32 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:38 @John Keel just fixed the priest getting edged artifact weapons via altar sacrifice bit 21:39 that one took me a few to figure out 21:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu), 288275 points, T:25886, killed by petrification 21:42 D: 21:47 <@John Keel> thanks 21:48 unfortunately it wont help your current game since it looks like you've sacced for every artifact in existience 21:48 but for future games :) 21:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2327 points, T:1818, killed by a hill orc 21:51 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc16a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 505 points, T:1849, killed by a bugbear 22:00 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 22:02 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 22:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 22:07 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 22:10 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53071 22:15 !who 22:15 K2: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker [dyn] JohnKeel [evil] amelie [evil] samiam [nh370] Heliokopis [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Mishka [nh343] 22:16 <@rikersan> "The flaming bone mace of fire burns" maybe redundant to have the fire bit twice? 22:16 <@John Keel> it's very fire 22:16 'The flaming bone mace of fire and excellence' sounds better 22:16 <@rikersan> not sure it's an easy fix, but it might be possible to supress "of fire" in the object name in that line? (assuming it's in artifact.c like artifacts with fire damage?) 22:17 yeah that could probably use a revisit 22:17 <@rikersan> I'm certain it's doable, the question is how clunky would the code be 22:17 K2: is the "of foo and excellence" from something? 22:17 <@rikersan> also, does evilhack make arti wishing chances only based off other arti wishes? 22:18 @rikersan no 22:19 you'll get the artifact everytime, but theres a 75% chance you'll get the owner with it 22:19 <@rikersan> ah neat 22:19 and the owner uses it against you 22:19 <@rikersan> I was wondering exactly how john managed to get phul with like every giftable artifact in his bag 22:19 plus they're always of a high level regardless of what level you are 22:20 <@rikersan> phul sounds like an amusing one to have used "against" you 22:20 heh 22:20 is phul from actual conan lore? 22:20 <@rikersan> just means you can't sleep thoth amon, or cast magic missiles at him 22:20 The Ring of P'hul is a powerful magical artifact from 'The Lords of Dus' series 22:20 <@rikersan> same source as bheleu 22:20 yes 22:21 @John Keel - slapping 'and excellence' at the end of things is a military joke 22:21 because that's actually used seriously for various things 22:21 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc17a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 777 points, T:1428, killed by a goblin 22:21 <@rikersan> http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/04/army-excellence-center/ 22:22 <@rikersan> ala this? (googled for approx 30 seconds) 22:22 @John Keel, a_boudelia I just updated evilhack. dont have to, but i'd save/reload to enjoy the recent fixes 22:23 just bugfixes? 22:23 @rikersan lol excactly 22:23 a_boudelia yes 22:23 awesome - thanks for your efforts 22:23 mostly concerning priests 22:23 welcome 22:23 EvilHack updated (all servers) 22:26 <@John Keel> thnaks, will do 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed spellbook of polymorph", on T:53424 22:27 this idea will sound far-fetched; I've wondered what it would be like to merge evilhack onto FIQhack 22:28 very difficult. not impossible, but there would be a lot of pain 22:28 i'm nowhere near familiar enough with nh4 coding to attempt that 22:29 i have a hard enough time with current :) 22:29 the Nethack4 variants have a different "base" than all the 3.6 22:29 <@rikersan> doesn't fiqhack modify the nh4 codebase as well? 22:29 evilhack and fiqhack also have some philosophical incompatibilities 22:29 philosophical incompatibilities? 22:29 some yes 22:29 some other things we're similar 22:29 like, K2 wants you to be able to typo into lava, and other interface screw 22:29 FIQ doesn't 22:30 <@rikersan> does evilhack agree with player/monster symmetry? 22:30 moreso than vanilla, absoletly 22:30 *absolutely 22:30 jesus f christ 22:30 i need to switch to dragonspeak, just talk and let it dictate what I say 22:30 what happens in FIQhack though is a "scorched earth" effect; monsters will use up wands, potions, scrolls before you could get to them 22:31 so you have to off monsters fast if you want some of good loot 22:32 a_boudelia you've probably noticed monsters doing the same to a certain degree in evilhack 22:32 true 22:32 I have not noticed monsters learning from spellbooks though 22:32 <@rikersan> wand of wishing chest? 22:33 FIQhack has a flag which prevents monsters from looting that chest 22:33 @rikersan yeah, monsters can loot containers (and unlock locked chests if they have a key) and they'll use a wand of wishing 22:34 they wont wish for a scroll of charging though (like grunthack lets them do) 22:34 a_boudelia I havent implemented fully monsters using player spells 22:34 i might at a later date 22:35 it's a tough task to implement that 22:35 i think it's cool, but the way grunthack did it is clunky, I need a better example to go by 22:35 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack/Monster_spellcasting 22:36 yeah 22:36 but what I mean is, a better coding example to go by, and fiqhack is too different 22:36 i dunno, maybe i'll take a stab at it 22:37 i always thought it was cool having a pet gnomish wizard, giving it a spellbook and it'd read it and elarn it, then cast it 22:37 *learn 22:37 kinda like having a buddy you can teach tricks 22:38 hah 22:38 that'll be pretty cool 22:38 i think aosdict had plans for that as well for xnethack 22:38 for what? 22:38 he's a *much* better programmer than me 22:39 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc18a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2137 points, T:1737, killed by a giant spider 22:39 aosdict: monsters casting player spells 22:39 oh yes player monster spellcasting merge 22:39 see the bottom of https://hardfought.org/etherpad/p/xNetHack for early stage idea sketches 22:40 it's no rush to put that 1:1 monster spellcasting feature in; I like what I've seen of evilhack so far 22:40 (barring the exploding door traps) 22:40 one other feature I would suggest is - Gehennom is basically a reskinned Gnomish Mines 22:40 yeah i know 22:41 i like it though... its open and cavernous 22:41 if you've heard of NetHack Brass, the developer put in four different themes, a marsh, a forest, 22:41 so I'm hopeful for player monster spellcasting in xnh 0.6.0 (the current version is 0.5.0 dev) 22:41 sporkhack and unnethack gehennom are the same way 22:41 of the "big projects" ahead, it is the foremost 22:41 yeah, you took inspiration from those variants 22:41 yup 22:42 aosdict: Bard role? nice 22:42 ..... eventually... 22:42 <@rikersan> any more info on the druid role? 22:42 * aosdict points at other 1000 lines of planned features 22:42 yeah i get it, thats a serious undertaking 22:43 how amy knocks out 100 races/roles in a matter of days is beyond me 22:43 <@rikersan> a copy paste of quests 22:43 she doesn't put any effort into making them interesting is how 22:43 @rikersan its still sorta on my to-do, but it'll be awhile 22:43 or remotely distinguished apart from maybe one or two gimmicks 22:43 in SLEX, I tried out the "chaos wizard" 22:43 the quest level is basically random gibberish 22:44 <@rikersan> k2: oh, are you planning a druid role too? 22:44 i was yeah 22:44 looks like aosdict might be also 22:44 aosdict we should team up on that one 22:45 i used to play druid a fair amount back in my ad&d days 22:45 also when I played everquest 22:45 that's not planned. it's quite far away from planned in fact 22:45 it's sort of kind of under consideration 22:45 didnt you add that at the bottom of your etherpad? 22:45 at the very bottom of the list of the very long term ideas 22:45 <@rikersan> yeah it's at the very very bottom 22:46 heh 22:46 <@rikersan> literally the last thing in the list 22:46 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 22:46 i'd love to see your version of the bard 22:46 Partly, adding new roles isn't a big priority for me because I want to flesh out the game rather than add new stuff 22:46 would it be a straight copy from dnethack or your own thing? 22:47 <@rikersan> please don't copy dnethack's 22:47 <@rikersan> it's so unbalanced 22:47 the crucial component in my take on the bard that no variant has yet (to my knowledge) is starting with a party of tame NPCs 22:47 <@rikersan> and that's by dnethack standards 22:47 making bard mechanics will be very tricky 22:47 yeah 22:48 I think several major AI improvements need to come first 22:49 ah i just noticed your PR for invweight 22:53 I had planned to have xnethack 0.5.0 released by now, but vanilla starting up the dev cycle for 3.7 disrupted that 22:54 my work of today has been putting together bundle-of-minor-features pull request 2.0 22:54 xnh 0.5 before junethack this year? 22:54 34 of them so far 22:54 I certainly hope so before junethack 22:55 i want to try and get one of my optional side quest branches done before junethack this year, but we'll see 22:55 <@rikersan> which one? the lich one? 22:56 mini-me still asks me when she's going to be featured in the game, so probably that one will be worked on first 22:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2723 22:56 <@rikersan> ah, the ice queen one :) 22:56 :D 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:54252 22:56 how did she like frozen 2 22:56 loved it 22:56 (not that I've seen it) 22:56 <@rikersan> hm, that would actually probably make her the second real person featured in a nethack variant that isn't slex 22:56 its decent 22:56 k2: you're putting your daughter in the game? that's awesome man :) 22:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2754 22:56 rebatela yeah :) 22:56 <@rikersan> since I know amy has technically referenced a couple players and at least one shoe fetishist, but that doesn't count imo 22:56 and our 2 dogs 22:57 K2: does lake champlain freeze over at all? 22:57 or too large 22:57 <@rikersan> you can't just say that and not provide dog pictures! 22:57 parts of it 22:57 lol @rikersan ok one sec 22:58 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2518 <---- mini-me and ozzy 22:58 ozzy is the larger/younger of the 2 22:58 2 dogs that is 22:58 <@rikersan> I mean, ozzy is probably larger and younger than mini-k2 as well? 22:59 yeah i guess it applies hah 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 mithril small shield of decay", on T:54274 22:59 cuteness overload 22:59 <@rikersan> huh, that's a valid wish? what is that, drain res? 22:59 <@John Keel> yeah 22:59 should just use 'drain resistance' 22:59 <@John Keel> also, asshole leprechaun just cancelled my WoW 22:59 but decay works i think 23:00 <@rikersan> can you recharge in evilhack? 23:00 <@John Keel> should have jammed it back in the pack :( 23:00 <@John Keel> it's 0:-1 23:00 <@rikersan> and how many wishes left? 23:00 <@John Keel> I got three out of it but it's cancelled now 23:00 cant recharge a cancelled wand... thats vanilla behavior 23:00 YANI: A disenchanter hit can steal charges from your wands in addition to armor 23:00 <@rikersan> john: you can recharge it still 23:00 how? 23:00 <@rikersan> just for the love of god don't zap it right now 23:01 <@rikersan> k2: wait, really? is that 3.6 thing? 23:01 i thought so? 23:01 maybe you know something i dont 23:01 <@rikersan> lemme check my local 3.6 23:01 EPI: The more sum total of enchantment you're toting around, the more disenchanters are likely to spawn, drawn to your magic 23:01 <@rikersan> I just wiztested dnethack (3.4.3, and I don't think chris changed that) 23:01 <@John Keel> Cancelled wands end up with (x:-1) charges. Cancelled wands can be recharged subject to normal restrictions on wand charging, but cannot be wrested; if they are zapped or engraved with, they will turn to dust. 23:01 <@John Keel> oh, huh 23:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:2934 23:01 <@John Keel> nice 23:02 so you can actually get the full 7 wishes/ 23:02 i thought if a wand was cancelled, thats it 23:02 <@rikersan> yeah I just checked 3.6 locally it works 23:02 OMFG 23:02 lol 23:02 <@rikersan> k2: you can recharge it unless you dust it first apparently 23:02 <@rikersan> how many wands of wishing have you given up on k2 lol 23:02 one 23:02 <@rikersan> also hm, that technically means john had the best possible outcome there 23:02 and a few poly/death wands 23:02 <@rikersan> he lost no wishes 23:02 <@rikersan> looks like it did axe your mace of fire? 23:03 I feel vaguely like we've had this exact conversation before 23:03 <@rikersan> oh god I just saw him select a wand of cancellation in response to "put in what" and my heart stopped for a moment 23:03 with K2 learning that you can recharge a cancelled wand 23:03 @rikersan maybe take some yoga classes, meditate daily 23:03 <@rikersan> eat healthier maybe too 23:03 <@John Keel> riker, I double checked it was the chest :) 23:04 if watching ascii characters on a screen is putting you at risk of a heart attack 23:04 <@rikersan> high blood pressure runs in my family 23:05 rikersan: any idea if that Shinobars guy is a stormlight fan? :) 23:05 <@rikersan> I googled that already lol, didn't find anything for shinobar 23:05 <@rikersan> so I'm assuming so 23:05 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class V, on T:54364 23:05 <@rikersan> that's probably the best result you could have gotten from a single blessed geno, nice 23:06 <@rikersan> oh yeah I should finish my arti callandor PR 23:06 <@John Keel> now I need to figure out what else 23:07 <@rikersan> did you get vorpal J already? 23:07 <@John Keel> yeah 23:07 <@rikersan> maybe hill giant mages? 23:07 hill giant shaman 23:07 <@rikersan> if you've got an uncursed scroll to spare 23:08 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) genocided hill giant shamans, on T:54365 23:08 save a couple blessed scrolls for plane of water 23:08 <@John Keel> ah yeah 23:08 <@John Keel> read them when I get there to empty it out, right? 23:08 yeah 23:09 you dont want plane of water full of water elementals hah 23:12 Oh lord, reading the bcaklog 23:12 big discovery on that wishing bit 23:12 I miss anything else? 23:13 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased master key of thievery", on T:54477 23:15 <@John Keel> huh, what 23:15 <@rikersan> digging 23:15 <@John Keel> it's like he teleported and dug down at the same time 23:15 <@rikersan> check under that (, probably a hole? 23:15 <@John Keel> the hole isn't next to me 23:15 <@John Keel> oh duh 23:15 <@rikersan> yep 23:15 <@rikersan> I've had that happen before in dnethack 23:16 <@rikersan> welp, there he goes again 23:16 <@John Keel> HERE WE GO 23:16 <@rikersan> have fun with that john 23:16 !who 23:16 K2: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker [dyn] JohnKeel [evil] rebatela [nh370] Heliokopis [dnh] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] andypea [nh370] Mishka [nh343] 23:16 <@rikersan> you can jump down his holes, right? 23:16 <@John Keel> yes but I want the upstar 23:16 <@rikersan> fair 23:17 rebatela 23:17 <@John Keel> alternatively, I cancel him when he jumps to me next 23:17 <@John Keel> after letting him heal 23:18 <@rikersan> why take off the black DSM? 23:18 <@John Keel> spell failure in evilhack 23:18 <@rikersan> ah 23:19 <@John Keel> ugh, didn't cancel his wand 23:19 <@John Keel> guess I'm going down until he runs out 23:19 <@rikersan> he'll run out eventually 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:54739 23:20 <@rikersan> took long enough 23:21 |Autopickup: ON, for $")[%?+!=/(* objects, with some exceptions. 23:21 You see here a brown potion (for sale, 333 zorkmids). 23:21 but i dont pick it up 23:21 what am i missing 23:21 autopickup is disabled in shops 23:21 oh! 23:21 on purpose 23:22 i guess yeah, for scare monster et al 23:22 yeah 23:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu), 13816 points, T:4041, killed by a gnome 23:22 math if you dont mind saving real quick, i have a 370-hdf update to apply 23:23 <{Demo}1> !who 23:23 {Demo}1: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker [dyn] JohnKeel [evil] rebatela [nh370] math [nh370] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] andypea [nh370] 23:23 oh sure k2 23:23 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) wished for "fixed greased magic marker", on T:54945 23:23 k2: done 23:23 and done 23:23 thanks 23:23 im rusty: how is a clear potion possibly 7 and 133 zm cost? 23:24 (rebatela is playing an older install and isnt affected) 23:25 if its that high a price, its either blessed or cursed 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:32161 23:25 K2: right. figured. 23:26 wearing a hawaiian shirt under cloak in a shop still counts yes? 23:26 hmm 23:26 i wanna say yes but get a second opinion 23:26 <{Demo}1> shks just charge more cause they know ur ballin 23:26 <{Demo}1> I can never remember the rules for hiding it 23:26 i tried selling a potion with and without but no price diff 23:26 <@rikersan> shopkeepers just can't stand ska punk 23:27 ah yes, cheaper offer with just the shirt unhidden on. 23:29 The math ignores your shirt if you're wearing a cloak over it. 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] JohnKeel (Pri Ith Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55145 23:32 <@John Keel> and that's enough for now 23:32 <@John Keel> it's a little silly how much dragonhide everything does for AC 23:33 you say that 23:33 and then wait til all your armor gets cancelled 23:34 <@rikersan> if evilhack added item genocide I bet the first one would be wands of cancellation 23:34 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 23:35 item genocide? oh god no lol 23:35 <@rikersan> yeah it's a stupid mechanic imo but my point stands 23:35 cancellation is also a monster spell in evilhack :P 23:36 albeit a high level one 23:36 <@rikersan> yeah but your wand of wishing wouldn't get cancelled by a leprechaun anymore 23:36 <@John Keel> tbh that was my own damn faul 23:37 <@John Keel> didn't lock the chest while donning and doffing armor 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:32944 23:45 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 13 points, T:167, killed by an electric shock 23:48 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 134 points, T:488, offed by a goblin 23:55 oh sorry i wasn't paying attention to IRC. DId you want me to quit ? 23:56 <@rikersan> if you save and reload it should apply the bugfixes, that's all 23:56 oh ok thanks