00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an arrow on an altar, on T:3949 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2700 00:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4882 00:26 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5929 points, T:4898, killed by a maid called Persephone 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant rat, on T:5910 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 24258 points, T:10254, killed by Rat King 01:24 hahha 01:44 gnite all o/ 01:45 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 02:08 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:57 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11 wow evilhack vlad is a real pain in the arse 05:40 -!- SilverCheshire_ has quit [Quit: Bye!] 05:50 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha) killed Raini, on T:4349 06:07 -!- stennowork has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:33 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 30100 points, T:5802, killed by painted asian toenails 06:45 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 06:45 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/df50d4cf1715b6e4db67959a76795f01b8f5bde1 06:45 Oh look yet ANOTHER case where PatR doesn't answer my report in the way that anyone wanted 06:46 I'm beginning to think he has some sort of personal vendetta against me, maybe I should start using fake email to send reports 06:49 Lol it really does look like he goes out of his way to make it worse. 06:51 I just noticed in evilhack that autoopen also does not work when you are standing on ice (this is probably also the case in vanilla). It seems that standing on ice is treated as equivalent to fumbling for most things. 06:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:59 EPI: bumping into a door not only takes time but also deals d5 points of damage to the player and has a 1 in 100 chance of the player hitting their head so painfully that INT and WIS are reduced by 1 and the player gets amnesia. 07:01 aosdict: I would file bug reports over github. everybody sees it and everybody can comment. 07:01 * LarienTelrunya reports bugs via IRC because come on, it's 2020, everyone is on IRC these days :P 07:05 you know, now that I think of it, I also removed doors resisting to be opened. 07:05 but that shouldn't affect autoopen much. 07:06 that's pretty hard to argue against, honestly 07:06 there's a marginal case where it matters because you're fleeing from something and the door won't open, but in the vast majority of cases it's just annoying. 07:06 bhaak waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat why did you remove that :( how are we supposed to exercise strength now? 07:07 boulders 07:07 aosdict: exactly. that were exactly my thoughts 10 years ago. 07:07 LarienTelrunya: closing doors can still resist 07:07 also, I didn't think getting "The door resists!" exercises str 07:08 bhaak: but you have to go out of your way for that :P 07:08 LarienTelrunya: wut? open door, close door, open door, close door? 07:08 speaking of which, I reeeeeeeeeeally find it annoying that being satiated for just a couple turns always, without fail, results in losing dexterity on the next exercise check. Doubly annoying in variants where unihorns don't restore stats (which seems to be like 75% or more of all variants). 07:09 bhaak: yes, you don't do that in normal gameplay, normally you just open doors and leave them open ;) 07:10 I'm not sure I disagree with Pat on this. 07:10 aosdict that commit you linked to - I approve of it 07:11 its the right thing 07:12 fumbling is supposed to be an annoyance. 07:12 ^ that 07:12 even an interface screw in some cases. 07:12 bumping into a door even abuses dexterity 07:12 ever try to do while drunk? that's the closest i've been to fumbling. really hard to do anything 07:13 I've coded while drunk. 07:13 i've coded while sober 07:13 originally slex didn't have autoopendoors at all, but it was the condition for it to be put on hardfought... so it got added :D (and then I had to fix a couple issues where it interacted incorrectly with slex's nastytraps) 07:14 no it wasnt 07:15 huh? but IIRC you wanted me to add it? 07:15 perhaps but that was never a condition for me to host it 07:15 also, now that slex does have it, I wouldn't want to play without it anymore ;) 07:16 i think the condition was 'if I add it LarienTelrunya will stop bugging me' 07:16 :P 07:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 07:16 :D 07:28 bhaak: The argument that fumbling should disrupt door opening would be stronger if fumbling interfered with the regular open command, but it doesn't; it only interferes with autoopen, making it a (small) interface screw 07:29 plus, if autoopen works even with fumbling, then you could get rid of the o command entirely and give the key to something else 07:32 omg IIRC Unnethackplus did that (remove the open command), leaving you completely unable to open a door if you're confused or stunned 07:32 stupidest feature ever :P 07:33 have you ever tried opening your flat door while drunk? 07:33 it is indeed almost impossible 07:33 heh, the last time I was drunk I was still attending school 07:33 and I finished school 14 years ago... 07:33 YASI: Every door needs exactly a specific key to open it 07:33 oh 07:33 never got drunk afterwards? 07:34 well thats respectable 07:34 nope 07:34 usually I drink alcohol maybe once per year, and then that's a Klosterfrau Melissengeist when I have digestion problems 07:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 526 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43352 07:35 I would have thought that fumbling affects your door opening skills. but apparently it doesn't 07:35 fumbling affects a bunch of things, including making it impossible to mount your steed IIRC? 07:36 but even more annoying, confusion also makes it impossible to mount your steed! and slex has a dungeon branch where the player is permanently confused... cue me freaking out when I found out the hard way that I'd have to do it without my steed :P 07:38 EPI: if you try to use a magic marker while fumbling, confused or stunned, you're very unlikely to write what you intended to, and a failure causes you to spill a bunch of ink (i.e. lose marker charges). 07:39 YASI: you can apply a magic marker in a direction, which uses up charges and can blind monsters. 07:39 isn't the EPI already in vanilla 07:39 pretty sure you cannot write properly while stunned/confused 07:50 in that case, you are probably right. autoopen is supposed to be an interface improvement and save the player 2 keystrokes (open and direction) but should behave exactly as if the player had pressed the right keys. 07:50 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:51 fumbling is less of a interface screw than e.g. confusion. 07:51 fumbling in itself doesn't make you fail to open a door. 07:54 but fumbling makes you abuse dexterity when walking into a closed door 07:57 yes. but why would you do that without autoopen? :) 07:57 we have paranoid options now in vanilla, so "make typos painful" is not a valid argument anymore 07:58 heh, if typos aren't supposed to be painful, why do you still attack a floating eye when moving into it? 07:59 there's a fine line between "never wanting to do something" and "rarely wanting to do something" :) 08:00 and for the same reason, why do you still instantly get a game over if you accidentally press "eC" instead of "wC"? 08:00 or even worse, why do you still instantly get a game over if you press "ey" when standing on a cockatrice corpse even though you very clearly wanted to eat the item in slot y? 08:01 bring slashem's eating menu to vanilla plz :P 08:01 cleaning up 40 years old interface is not easy :-P 08:02 meh, you're porting the game to lua, surely it would be possible to make some minor interface change :P 08:02 Are mazes supposed to be generated like this, with "floor of room" rather than corridors (or at least walls if they are to be called rooms :P)? https://imgur.com/a/3JT5Sqw 08:03 merlek: how do you find the new iron bars and altars? 08:03 merlek: in decgraphics? 08:05 Oh yeah, I noticed the new bars, the altars haven't changed have they? Except being colored? 08:05 I thought those corridor mazes were a deliberate change but if you feel like it, file a bug at github. player feedback is important :-) 08:05 the altars are now what iron bars used to be 08:07 oh in decgraphics, don't think I have that enabled, unless it's the default? 08:11 apparently I do :P 08:12 yes, it's obvious from the iron bars :) 08:12 only decgraphics has them in that way 08:13 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 08:13 -!- aosdict|work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 08:17 You mean like this? https://imgur.com/a/4YcPt20 08:18 yes 08:19 if so, altars are rendered as underscore, but that's not new is it? 08:29 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (orcs), on T:1 08:32 no altars should be π 08:32 oh, you are in curses 08:35 aye 08:35 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:36 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 08:49 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:82547 09:04 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:09 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Elf-Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was given Magicbane, on T:1371 09:21 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 09:22 LarienTelrunya, so I read your most recent SLEX lets play post, and you implemeneted a lagstone?!?!?! Dear god, that's beyond cruel. 09:23 (and yes, I signed into IRC specifically to note your cruel and unusualness, I was that horrified. You should be proud) 09:23 hi NCommander *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundle*! ♥♥♥ long time no see! how are you? 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:46770 09:23 happy belated new year! 09:23 ty 09:24 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:24 LarienTelrunya, um, my life is like a SLEX segfault. In desperate need of debugging 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:46773 09:24 NCommander, did you know that you can now play the new slex 2.60 on hardfought and the even newer slex 2.61 on esm? :D 09:24 also damn, you should install gdb to debug your life 09:25 LarienTelrunya, bewarned, because that's the path that eventually leads to "gdb /usr/bin/gdb" 09:25 (I have infact made gdb segfault. It's about as horrifying as you can imagine) 09:25 heh, I've actually used gdb to debug gdb 09:25 Recursion: n, see recursion 09:25 because for some reason, the gdb I have causes a BEX whenever I enter an invalid command 09:26 o_o; 09:26 da fuck? 09:26 2.6.1 slex is out? 09:26 hi NCommander 09:26 K2: well it's not actually a release-ready version 09:26 Remember that compilers are compiled with compilers. 09:26 and you made a lagstone? 09:26 I can only assume your bundles took over the poor debugger and it was trying to escape with its life. 09:26 I'll have to make quite a bunch of changes, then playtest all of them, and then I can make a new release 09:27 * NCommander has to assume LarienTelrunya is multithreaded to successfully playtest all the non-joke roles. 09:27 heh, the lagstone has been in slex for a while; it means that when the player issues a command, there's a few microseconds of delay before the result appears on the screen 09:27 it uses code similar to the one that delays the game when sparkle is on, e.g. a fire elemental stepping on a fire trap :P 09:28 but why, amy? 09:28 lol 09:28 hothraxxa, you're asking Amy why she creates NH Rule 34? 09:28 because in slex, everything wants to kill you, including the interface :D 09:28 YAPI: Kicking the bottom of the screen causes elements to fall out of the map 09:29 "yapi"? yet another porn idea? 09:29 patch idea 09:29 LarienTelrunya, won't disabling sparkle disable your lagstone or did you already code around that? 09:30 also sorry NCommander for not continuing the LP lately; ever since the start of the new year I've been drowning in train tours 09:30 inb4 its a `sleep` 09:30 from Jan 1 until next monday I have tours every single day; today's tour will start in a few hours and then I have to get up at 4:30 AM tomorrow *grooooooooooooooan* 09:30 .oO(how doesn't SLEX have a train themed quest or branch yet?) 09:31 NCommander: it used to be that disabling sparkle did indeed turn off the lagstone effect. And get this: one slex player *actually turned sparkle back on while having a lagstone* because he *wanted* to play with lag. Go figure. 09:31 play with lag 09:31 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:32 ... I've heard of masochism but ow ... 09:32 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:32 but nowadays, the lagstone effect will work regardless of the sparkle option, of course 09:32 haha only masochists can play slex for a prolonged time without ragequitting! (or at least I wouldn't be surprised if that was indeed the case) 09:32 That would be like trying to play NetHack on a 300 baud modem connection over RF with bad reception 09:32 acoustic coupler ftw 09:32 Some would say playing NH (even with spoilers) is masochistic 09:32 NCommander: do you want to play the new slex? I could watch for a while now :) 09:33 Not at the moment, but I may take you up on it 09:33 Might roll another Angel Priest 09:33 Althought eh undead lag on the quest is *ow* 09:33 levelporting to the boss -> bell shrine is prob the easiest but that's how my last angel checked out 09:34 how you doing NCommander 09:34 NCommander: heh, I wanted to suggest a celtic symbiant as your char :P 09:34 Circling the drain \o/ 09:34 heh 09:34 * NCommander looks that up 09:34 LarienTelrunya, what does a celtic symbiant have as far as species/role abilities? 09:34 The wiki is lagging for me 09:35 well the symbiant has a bunch of symbiote tokens, which allow you to enter symbiosis with a stationary monster (e.g. a mold), and then the symbiote's passive and active attacks can trigger while you fight things in melee 09:35 also the symbiote acts as a second health bar, meaning it can sometimes take damage for you or even (with a certain % chance) protect you from an instadeath, sacrificing itself in the process 09:35 LarienTelrunya, I actually signed up for a rpg.net account. I could have sworn I had one before. Sorta tempted to make my LP after reading a very good one on the site about FF8 09:36 which manages to defuck the plot 09:36 NCommander: you should post a slex LP in my thread, that would be awesome :D 09:37 so far, I'm the only actual player in my LP thread, unlike KoboldLord's sporkhack one which had a bunch of other players 09:37 also that sporkhack LP was great, I wish playing sporkhack would feel as great as reading about it was ;( 09:40 LarienTelrunya, that thread actually turned me off playing Spork, although the LPer is actually awesome. 09:41 [hdf-us] [slex] BSOD2 (Elm May Mal Law), 24 points, T:42, killed by life drainage 09:41 sporkhack is great 09:41 heh, the LPer would be much more awesome if he didn't hate slex with a fiery passion :P 09:41 I can't actually remember why I didn't like Spork, although a lot of its features ar ethings I appreciate 09:42 LarienTelrunya, playing SLEX is a lifestyle. Not everyone is into bondage for example. 09:42 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:42 haha, I certainly am :D 09:42 *thinks back of the good old times when she was tied to a chair by her beautiful bundleroommate ♥* 09:43 good... old... times 09:43 [hdf-us] [slex] BSOD2 (Cel Ven Fem Law), 1215 points, T:82, killed by a monster (Lamashtu) 09:43 yaaaaaaaaay it seems that mail on hdf-us is working again ♥ 09:44 ^^ that was a GM mode game 09:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Elf-Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3426 09:44 actually there's even super gm mode now, where all watchers can send monster-spawning mail to the player in slex :D 09:44 of course that's not junethack-eligible, but it isn't june right now anyway 09:44 * NCommander remembers the NetHack community before there was a SLEX ... 09:45 NCommander: back then there was no dnethack, no splicehack and especially no 3.6 yet 09:45 Back in those days, we had 3.4.3-nao, and we were happy for it. Normal discussion was about if price-id was legit, not discussing if a cursed codpiece can rip your nuts off. 09:46 lol that actually sounds like something out of D&D 09:46 LarienTelrunya, SLASH'EM was the only major fork. Un came around before the DevTeam Resurrection, and Ace and Nitro fused into NH4 09:47 in fact, it's weird that D&D rulebooks often have very elaborate and specific cursed items instead of leaving it up to the GM to decide which cursed items exist :P 09:47 Can't be as bad a AD&D which I think a quarter of the player's handbook was about polearms 09:47 (which made it into NetHack) 09:47 yay polearms! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they're very fleeeeeeeeeeeeeecy! 09:48 Oh, and another quarter was the grappling rules 09:48 oh by the way NCommander, did I tell you about my bigslex acu yet? that one has the amulet of yendor and did 2 out of 3 imbues in the yendorian tower already; I might actually ascend that one 09:48 If you were brave enough to grapple in game, other players would hide in fear, the DM would make saving roles for his SAN, etc. 09:48 LarienTelrunya, you just cursed yourself, you're going to hit a rock fall trap at 1 HP with the amulet on Dl:1 09:49 heh. in slex, nothing is guaranteed so I might still bite the big one 09:49 in fact I've died once already with this char, annoyingly enough 09:49 but I do still have an amulet of life saving 09:50 I never managed a survivor ascent >.>; 09:51 All my ascents are artifact wishless, and I think two are without polyself 09:51 I'm not sure if any of my slex ascensions were not survivors in fact... 09:51 I almost managed a FIQHack Survivor one ... >.>; 09:51 I got poorly worried advice 09:51 my best conduct run was a polyselfless polyobjectless wishless genoless cavewoman in slex 09:51 damn o_o; 09:52 That being said, if I ever got a "oG in SLEX, I'd have no idea what to oblierate 09:52 that game was insane, I basically had a full ascension kit even before reaching the castle 09:52 amulet of genocide? 09:52 er, scroll 09:52 >.>; 09:52 Was that when you were still closer to SLASH'EM (since SLASH'EM essentially hands you multiple asc kits) 09:53 nah back then (when slex was still close to slashem) I didn't manage to ascend at all 09:53 my very first slex ascension is actually also in the LP thread 09:54 woooo 09:54 \o/ 09:54 but that cavewoman one was actually also the one that triggered https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2233 :D 09:54 LarienTelrunya - LP? 09:54 You actually ascended that one? 09:54 Actually, now that I think about it 09:55 NCommander: yes, and it was that four-conduct cavewoman :D 09:55 I think almost all my ascensations have been one where I got bent over by the RNG at the start of the game. 09:55 K2: yeah my screenshot let's play of slex, found here: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lets-play-slashem-extended-a-nethack-fork.723346/page-50 (also contains some DNHslex runs) 09:55 My two splats I weren't. 09:55 I think my Samuari and my Priest both rolled orctown 09:55 hah the work firewall blocks the site (game related) 09:55 heh, one of my slex ascensions was a healer whom I planned to startscum; I instead decided to go with the roll I got, which was a very bad one, and still managed to ascend in the end :P 09:55 should I override? 09:56 K2, it's SLEX, it's probably closer to NSFW 09:56 K2, it's rather amusing watching Amy rage at her own creation though 09:56 K2: damn, your firewall blocks game-related sites? does that mean it also blocks r/nethack? 09:56 no 09:56 reddit isnt blocked 09:56 reddit isnt a gaming site 09:57 ah so the entirety of rpg.net is blocked for you? damn 09:58 well 09:58 LarienTelrunya, maybe you should add an interaction based on https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2022 09:58 NCommander: this is a screenshot from my current game with the amulet: https://abload.de/img/keeperofthegatetxky9.png 09:58 i administer the firewall, so... 09:58 LarienTelrunya, unskilled in High Heels? For shame. 09:59 haha, that's actually on purpose, because being unskilled is still better than restricted :P one of the few cases in which it actually makes a difference other than "you could enhance it if you wanted to"! 09:59 another such case would be two-weapon combat, where restricted gives a huge to-hit penalty in slex but unskilled does not 09:59 (in other variants you'd just flat out be unable to dual-wield when restricted) 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:550 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 237 points, T:561, killed by a giant rat, while praying 10:04 LarienTelrunya, http://www.xkcdb.com/354 10:04 LarienTelrunya, is there still the base -2 penalty for #twoweapon? 10:04 or is it just smash two things really hard 10:05 uhh slex uses different calculations; namely, the general to-hit penalty for twoweaponing is higher (but still goes down as you increase the skill) 10:05 also wtf is that weird lesbian joke :P 10:06 NCommander did I show you my beautiful new high heels yet that I got for birthday? https://www2.hm.com/de_de/productpage.0803522002.html :D 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 98 points, T:186, killed by a giant mimic 10:06 * NCommander makes a mental point to check your temp if/when I meet you in meatspace 10:07 LarienTelrunya, honestly, if you're ever in the states, I'd have to bring you down 6th Avenue and the flagship Macy's and see if you start vibrating 10:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9133 points, T:5098, crushed to death by an exploding drawbridge 10:08 ... crushed by exploding? 10:08 "exploding drawbridge"? 10:09 .oO(SLEX patch idea: spellbook of animate drawbridge) 10:09 i believe "explode" is what the drawbridge does if you zap it with striking or force bolt, for example 10:10 but that seems like it should just be "killed by" or "impaled by" and not "crushed by" 10:10 slex IIRC has a ring of immunity to drawbridges, which does nothing except prevent the player from being instakilled by drawbridges :D 10:10 yes that shouldn't crush you 10:11 LarienTelrunya, "You're flattened by a drawbridge. But wait, your ring glows and you materialize above the wreckage. You fall in the water." 10:13 NCommander: that'd be the ring of iron(y) 10:14 LarienTelrunya: wait, since when do you live in new york? 10:14 "f - an iron ring of irony" 10:14 hackedhead, won't that just make SLEX play like 3.4.3? 10:14 oh that was NCommander talking. I blame kiwiirc 10:14 aosdict|work, she doesn't, I do. If I ever convinced her to visit the states :) 10:14 aosdict: huh? I wasn't aware of living in new york 10:14 LarienTelrunya, we repossessed the fatherland while you were out. You were overdue on rent 10:15 * aosdict|work unchecks "colour nicknames in messages" 10:15 It's currently in the basement of the UN 10:15 oh, LarienTelrunya and I are the same color? 10:16 <{Demo}1> I think new Jersey should annex nyc 10:16 well on my screen I'm pink and NCommander is orange 10:16 {Demo}1, I'd approve as long as we could pump our own gas. 10:16 same here 10:16 it shouldn't matter what colour amy is. all colors matter. 10:16 <{Demo}1> cause what is new Jersey known for? being loud assholes. what's nyc known for? being loud asshikes 10:16 aosdict: and you're yellow? 10:16 <{Demo}1> assholes 10:16 I'm a rather unhealthy green color. 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:49595 10:17 {Demo}1, now wait a tick. We're upright loud asshikes. Yeash, get it right. 10:17 <{Demo}1> the rest of new York state is a bunch of pseudocanadians 10:17 {Demo}1, yeah, I've been there, they have Tim Hortons 10:17 huh weird, on my screen both aosdict and aosdict|work render yellow 10:17 bloodhound gang made a track 'the 10 coolest things about new jersey' and its just 10 seconds of silence 10:17 <{Demo}1> they don't deserve to have bad things said about them just cause they have nyc dangling off their ass 10:17 * NCommander turns on IRC colors 10:17 I need to see what your SOULS look like 10:17 <{Demo}1> although I'm sure they don't mind the revenue 10:18 NCommander: am I pink on your end too? 10:18 LarienTelrunya, you hilighted me so you showed up green, It doesn't work retroactively in HexChat 10:18 oh 10:18 LarienTelrunya, you're teal. 10:18 am I the only kiwiirc user? 10:18 <{Demo}1> everybody on my end is white 10:18 Pfft, I should go oldskool and just telnet to irc.freenode.net 6667 10:18 * aosdict|work changes msg display to inline, which is the closest to what I have in irssi 10:18 oh god, aosdict|work is neon green 10:19 You really do look sick 10:19 quick play a game of xnh, see if Beholder colors it the same way 10:19 This is like going from pre colors nethack -> colored hack 10:19 * NCommander notes LarienTelrunya's grayscale trap never bugged me because that's how I used to play PC-Rogue 10:19 meh Beholder is colored dark blue. Irssi knows his true orange color. 10:19 I used to use irssi a lot with Advanced Window Tabs 10:20 Then I realized something 10:20 NCommander: you can now actually play in grayscale mode! OPTIONS=hybridblait :D 10:20 my irssi config file was feeling a lot like my old .emacs.el 10:20 LarienTelrunya, is that a conduct? "You were born colorblind?" 10:20 nah it's a hybrid race 10:20 Generally, when your config file becomes turning complete, it means something has gone horridly wrong 10:22 <{Demo}1> brb mining shitcoin with my config file 10:22 " ...does anyone know if you can wash sharpie ink out of a white cat?" - I love the Internet 10:22 Honestly, if someone found a code execution exploit in NetHack, I won't be suprised if hardfought was mining shitcoins 10:23 <{Demo}1> it isn't 10:23 ......... argh 10:23 I just had multiple ideas on how you could get nethack to potentially do code execution 10:23 and then I remembered dosave() 10:23 and I cried 10:24 <{Demo}1> its not like anyone is weaponizing nethack exploits anyway 10:24 <{Demo}1> if u wanna have fun, find a dgl exploit 10:25 Oh great, then we'll have a vanity page for "Hackbleed" or "DGLGate" 10:25 Yeash, in my day, you got a nice simple CVE number, a patch, and maybe an exploit took with a grandious name like "WinNuke" 10:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:25 Now kids these days need to give bugs dramatic names like Shellshock, Spectre, Meltdown, Heartbleed 10:25 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:27 ... oh god 10:28 <{Demo}1> if the right person looked at dgl, I'd be surprised if they couldnt find anything 10:28 Why did I search for my handle in quotes databases 10:28 * NCommander admits past me was right, but I dunno what context the quote came from, and that scares me 10:28 if i wrote exploits or viruses, i'd name them as such; Steve, Bob, Phil (etc etc) 10:29 carl 10:29 <{Demo}1> or... carl 10:29 <{Demo}1> dammit 10:29 <{Demo}1> lol 10:29 \o/ 10:29 K2: It's amazing you didn't name your daughter Steve or Phil or Carl. :P 10:29 If I wrote exploits or viruses, I'd write them in C++ to be cruel to the poor sap who had to reverse engineer it 10:29 Or handwritten assembler. 10:29 hey i grew up on that stuff 10:29 * LarienTelrunya writes an exploit named ULTIMATE FLEECY HIGH HEEL BUNDLE(bundlebundle) :D 10:30 What amazes me is how dependant folks are on things like Hex-Eyes disassembler 10:30 I wrote a remote shell exploit as a PoC in pure assembly in about 100 instructions 10:30 Broke IDA in half cause IDA can't deal with handwritten code 10:30 I hope LarienTelrunya never ends up owning a US cable company 10:30 all they sell is bundles 10:31 aosdict|work, at least the lebsian porn wouldn't be pay-per-view 10:31 oh god. that pun. ow. 10:31 <{Demo}1> i mean it would make sense that it can't 10:31 <{Demo}1> shit i bet ida shits the bed on obscure compilers 10:31 real assembler programmers read real core dumps to debug stuff 10:31 ie hex 10:31 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:32 {Demo}1, it actually does fairly better 10:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:32 As long as its something that's COFF, ELF, or PE 10:32 aosdict: if mini-me had been a boy, I had three names picked out - Eddie Van Halen, Pure Awesome or Plato Caliente 10:32 Decompiling something coded against Borland C is a fuckton easier than modern GCC 10:32 <{Demo}1> less optimization? 10:32 MSVC is usually pretty easy because the compiler doesn't tend to do overcomplicated debugging tricks. 10:32 {Demo}1, bingo. 10:33 k2: shoulda picked 7 10:33 as you can imagine, the boss shot me down on all 3 10:33 {Demo}1, also, remember IDA is a flipping antique. The earlist versions ran on MS-DOS 10:33 hothraxxa, real assembler programmers use a periscope 10:33 if I were to get a daughter I'd want to call her Natalia, and if I were to get a boy I'd opt for a reroll :P 10:33 funny enough, it took us all of 3 min to settle on her actual name 10:34 (os2museum.com/wp/have-you-ever-used-one-of-these/) 10:34 If I have a mini-me, something has gone horribly wrong. 10:34 I'm always slightly horrified whenever I remember the potential names my parents had for me (both male and female) 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1102 points, T:1602, killed by an elven arrow 10:34 I have a second cousin whose name is Lilianna, that was another one we were considering 10:35 NCommander: i had a similar board for my early pcs 10:35 heh, I got told that I was originally meant to get the name "Kaja" (with exactly that spelling)... good thing that didn't happen :P 10:35 <{Demo}1> name ur kid "bubbles" 10:35 Mine had a distinct lack of variety 10:35 'get a daughter' 10:35 i learned assmebler on ibm 360s though 10:35 I'm the fifth Michael on my mom's side. 10:35 its like you went to walmart and picked one up on special 10:35 <{Demo}1> and tell them that u had a kid cause ur goldfish named bubbles died and u missed it 10:36 hothraxxa, these are your fathers punchcards. Use them well, and beware the ABEND 10:36 K2: Given your last name, did that mean that names like Margaret and Lisa were right out? 10:36 face down, 9 edge first 10:36 aosdict were your parents hippies from the 60s ? 10:36 <{Demo}1> hahah 10:36 no 10:36 hothraxxa, funny enough, it would be really irritating to port NetHack to 3270 10:36 and they would be my punchcards 10:36 aosdict hah yeah, no names from the show thank you 10:36 good god yes, 3270 is a block device 10:36 ... god, I just imagined playing nethack via JCL. 10:37 20,send,i 10:37 * NCommander waits for print out of my inventory 10:37 20,send,q 10:37 i pucned my own program decks 10:37 grr 10:37 punched 10:37 I had to port mainframe fortran to ARM 10:38 which fortran? 10:38 From a fucking ugly FORTRAN-IV compiler to a buggy ARM one 10:38 I'm near certain the program started life as a punch deck because no line went past 74 characters 10:39 74 is too many. 72 10:39 yeah, that 10:39 sorry, brain fart 10:39 actually 71 since 72 was continutation 10:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Swn Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:27334 10:39 i thought it was specifically 80 10:39 he reason why we have 80x24 terminals now 10:39 I thought 0 was Comment, and the last 8 characters were sequence numbers 10:39 or 7 10:39 yes 10:40 * NCommander knows that from porting mainframe COBOL 10:40 oh the last ones are parity bits? 10:40 control bits? 10:40 Its from when someone dropped the deck 10:40 <{Demo}1> your favorite number at the time of writing? 10:40 no 72 is continuation, 73-80 sequence 10:40 <{Demo}1> oh 10:40 They had ways of auto resorting decks 10:40 <{Demo}1> whoa wow 10:40 Modern mainframes actually tend to still work with punchcard emulators 10:40 <{Demo}1> u dont just throw it at the intern? 10:40 <{Demo}1> and tell them to sort it out? 10:40 The machine was cheaper 10:41 And less error prone 10:41 Less likely to loose an if statement for instance 10:41 a card sorter is thing of wonder 10:41 I know far too much about legacy mainframe programming for someone of my age >.>; 10:42 fuck, the operators terminal on z/OS still supports working with a line printer and a teletype keyboard 10:42 well i am 72 and 1/3 going on 73 10:42 I ported your legacy so the next generation could suffer \o/ 10:42 <{Demo}1> wow so u got a little over 7 yrs left til u run out of holes 10:42 well you had to 10:42 Thank you IBM, for EBDBIC. May it burn in hell 10:42 WutFace 10:43 Context: in a stunning implementation of "Not Invented Here", IBM decided not to use ASCII 10:43