00:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Hea Inc Fem Neu), 143 points, T:364, killed by a grid bug 00:08 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 5202 points, T:6934, slaughtered by a rabid rat 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:22080 00:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22193 00:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Cav Bat Fem Neu), 1868 points, T:1844, killed by a dwarf cleric 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:49432 00:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:01 -!- darthdiablo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 01:12 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 132363 points, T:24116, killed by an assassin bug 01:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ran Inc Mal Cha), 5211 points, T:3263, killed by a snake 01:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2019 points, T:2580, killed by a giant ant, while helpless 01:33 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 51 points, T:161, killed by something while blind 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4821 points, T:2735, killed by a yeti, while praying 01:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Bar Vam Mal Neu), 1811 points, T:1303, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a cadaver 01:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 780 points, T:1348, killed by a little dog 01:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 01:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:26984 01:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 8808 points, T:6179, killed by a troll 02:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:27455 02:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] gpo23 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 827 points, T:1924, killed by a manes, while fainted from lack of food 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] gpo23 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 154 points, T:815, killed by a wand 02:28 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:50 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:29254 02:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:29256 02:58 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 766 points, T:828, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted stronger turret) 03:06 aosdict: the problem is the improved rnd_otyp_by_namedesc() method. still, makes little sense that you go through all that trouble of checking if you want a fake one and then giving a random one. I pointed out that 3.4.3 behaved differently, let's see if I get an answer to that. 03:18 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 127 points, T:334, killed by breaking their legs 03:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 58474 points, T:12113, killed by an ogre lord 03:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:50 smoky see invisible :-) 03:54 Water gets into your bag called bag 1! Far below you, you see coins glistening in the water. 03:57 hm 03:57 a small glob of gray ooze (for sale, 20 aum, 8 zorkmids) 03:57 is "20 aum" the weight? nothing else shows the weight in this shop, only the ooze I just killed 04:01 "Arbitrary Unit of Measure" 04:01 should only show up in wizmode 04:01 (unless you're playing some variant?) 04:08 I'm playing hdf 3.7.0 04:08 not in wizmode obviously 04:08 report a bug 04:08 I don't know if it's in the non-hdf version as well 04:09 also it doesn't impede gameplay, I was just puzzled 04:10 grr orctown (and I don't have anything to dig with) 04:21 also died of pyrolisk after unwisely going down from orctown (hoping the cat would liberate a pickaxe) 04:21 lesson learned: reflection doesn't do anything against pyrolisks, I thought it would 04:32 paxed: it's in globwt(). no wizard checking 04:33 bhaak: bah, why? 04:34 paxed: look in objnam,c and search for aum. there are 2 places. one of them has "globs with shop pricing attached already include it". so it seems deliberate? 04:35 that's exactly what's happening here, anyway 04:35 bhaak: yes, i did take a look now. and when the aum was first put in, it was meant to be wiz-mode only. imo which is should be. 04:35 yes, or have "showweight" as an option, not on by default 04:37 paxed: I guess because globby objects don't have a count? 04:37 or it was an oversight. 04:38 globby ones already have size, so eh ... 04:39 but either way, either all objects show weight, or none do, this globs-only is silly 04:39 I'd say make it "if (wizard && otmp->globby) {" and put a fix comment in doc/fixes37 04:39 yeah. 04:39 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:48 it's a bit confusing 04:49 I guess it's so you don't get this: a small glob of gray ooze (unpaid, 8 zorkmids) (20 aum) 04:49 but this: a small glob of gray ooze (unpaid, 20 aum, 8 zorkmids) 04:49 but everything else is also shown the first way 04:51 hmm, okay 2aee73642d introduced the aum display for globs and that already disregarded wizmode. 04:51 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 04:57 to me it seems much simpler to remove globwt, and check at the end for wizard, wizweight, with_price and if the the name ends on ')' 05:12 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 6072 points, T:2779, killed by a monster (wooden figurine) 05:24 I think I just do it this way. less code, consolidated at one place 05:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:40 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 05:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:37987 06:00 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Bye.] 06:00 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 06:02 -!- Xjs has quit [Client Quit] 06:03 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] malacoda (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 223 points, T:1237, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 06:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:39001 06:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] malacoda (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4 points, T:88, poisoned by a rotted human corpse 06:24 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:24 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 06:24 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helping hand", on T:40607 06:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] malacoda (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 75 points, T:298, killed by a poisonous corpse 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] malacoda (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 44 points, T:74, killed by a jackal 06:40 [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Cha), 2833 points, T:1692, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted troll permamimic mummy) 06:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] arnibald (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:102528 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] arnibald (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:102529 06:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41631 07:01 [backscroll] YANI: If you're satiated to the point that eating brains won't give you its normal amount of nutrition, the attack does less damage because you aren't eating as much. 07:02 bhaak: Thoughts on whether it's worthwhile to pull request the invweight option? 07:12 aosdict: in my personal opinion, I think it's mostly noise. I have it in unnethack, but I don't think it's elegant 07:13 aosdict: I'd rather have the info in a pokedex but I never came around to implement such a thing for unnethack. 07:14 as I think, you don't want to see the info all the time for all items, but only sometimes. 07:14 the main gain of invweight is that you can see your carry cap and how close you are to it 07:15 pick up item, burdened? no, not close to carry cap. 07:15 (carry cap isn't hidden or fuzzed at all, it's a straightforward formula) 07:15 also, pokedex? I have one of those if you want, for monsters and objects :) 07:16 I know. but I don't know how others feel about that :) 07:16 it still has a few minor bugs (like looking up Death gives you wand of death) though 07:16 the top line is intersting, as it also shows how many slots you have left. 07:17 insert here ais523 wanting 26 slots 07:19 K2: evilhack idea: add slots with greek and cyrillic letters 07:19 did he? I never seen that. but I thought about a nethack lite where you only have functional slots. like a scroll or wand slot. 07:20 interesting gedankenexperiment how you would have to change the game to make that feasible. 07:20 it would probably feel close to POWDER 07:20 EPI: no slots: can only carry items if they're in use (worn or wielded) 07:20 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 07:23 brb kicking everything in the Mines down to Minetown altar to BUC test them 07:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] arnibald (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:103978 07:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:38 paxed: how do you get new items then 07:39 -!- Ytteb has joined #hardfought 07:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] arnibald (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:104062 07:41 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 07:42 -!- unsound_ has left #hardfought 07:42 i remember a little bug with pickup_burden and zorkmids, that through a rounding error(?) you could get burdened by picking up zm without getting the prompt 07:44 oh never mind 07:44 This will NOT prompt the player if he is about to pick up a loadstone or gold. 07:44 so not a bug 07:44 well 07:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:4986 07:44 well it _should_ prompt the player for gold at least 07:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 green dragon scale shield", on T:44011 07:51 <@Tone> Reducing inventory slots would only add more tedium to the game 07:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] malacoda (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 176 points, T:1151, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 08:00 @John Keel by default (vanilla) if you're poly'd into something like a vampire or mind flayer, you'd get 60 units of nutrition per attack. you'd never choke that way though. in evilhack for the illithid player race, I dropped that from 60 to 6. 08:01 but as you found out, you still need to watch your satitation level. My last game as illithid, I'd constantly wear rings of conflict or regeneration to get my nutrition level to drop 08:01 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:01 also, by the time you have the EotA, illithids naturally get so much spell power, you shouldnt have to melee really 08:02 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17483 08:15 bah.. i really need to learn how to get crowned without getting every damn artifact first :P 08:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:44183 08:23 -!- aosdict|work has joined #hardfought 08:28 merlek, pray? 08:28 yeah, I have a tendency to keep sacrificing to be really sure my prayer timeout is zero before praying. reading the wiki might be a good idea :) 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:21131 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:26573 09:09 -!- Ytteb has quit [Quit: Ytteb] 09:14 @John Keel FIQHack naming floor items predate the vanilla UI for it. That's why it's different 09:14 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2020-01-07 20:44 EST: sent you a private message concerning a players corrupt FIQhack game 09:15 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:15 Also, naming by by appearance allows you to name items not on your discovery list yet 09:22 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- stennowork is now known as Guest53991 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:46632 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:46717 09:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:46771 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 72 points, T:234, killed by a bolt of cold 09:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:46849 09:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:46896 09:33 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 09:33 -!- stenno_ is now known as stennowork 09:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:40 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 09:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:44 K2: found the problem 09:45 a trap door generated on Mines End 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:598, killed by a jackal 09:45 hm 09:45 this is an intended side effect 09:45 of my change to make trap doors/holes work as branch transistions 09:46 (Sokoban has holes in the first level now in fh) 09:46 However, for some reason it didn't quite succeed in making the branch transistion 09:46 Causing bugs 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:43469 09:55 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:48251 10:03 -!- post165 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:10 -!- Guest53991 has quit [Changing host] 10:10 -!- Guest53991 has joined #hardfought 10:11 -!- stennowork is now known as Guest23371 10:11 -!- Guest53991 is now known as stennowork 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1359 points, T:2382, killed by a black unicorn 10:20 !tell K2 Fixed. This does not fix the bones loading, the bones is broken 10:20 Will do, FIQ! 10:21 But it prevents the possibility of corrupting the dungeon structure in the future 10:21 got it 10:21 K2: Message from FIQ at 2020-01-08 10:20 EST: Fixed. This does not fix the bones loading, the bones is broken 10:21 so kill that one bones file, apply fix 10:21 yes 10:21 k 10:21 i wonder what the oldest save files are that i still have on hdf 10:21 when objects travelled via trap doors, it would result in corrupting the dungeon structure 10:22 if the trap door led to a different branch 10:22 except for the Valley 10:22 can i fall past the valley now 10:22 ? 10:22 I could probably fix games on a case by case basis by adding code to detect a broken dungeon and retroactively fix it 10:22 But unless someone has an active game with it, I wont obther 10:23 stennowork: No, the Valley is still special 10:23 kk 10:23 But only in that it specifically restricts you now 10:23 I should probably also block going upwards past Castle for consistency 10:23 i wonder if that thing is a remnant from the times where going into gehennom without FR would instakill you 10:23 Nothing is actually stopping me from allowing you to transistion past the Valley 10:23 Just that it'd be.. weir 10:23 *weird 10:24 like imagine running into a levtele trap and get instakilled because you get ported somewhere into gehennom 10:24 heh 10:24 fiqhack generally works more sanely now in terms of level travel 10:25 i don't understand why you made that change in the first place 10:25 FIQ: If you're going to block upward levelport, shouldn't it also stop at the Valley? 10:25 stennowork: It was done for 2 reasons 10:25 I see the Valley as the mystical boundary between Gehennom and the rest of the world. 10:26 FIQhack updated (all servers) 10:26 1: It generally makes the code make less assumptions on how the dungeons are connected, and instead dynamically figures it out 10:26 2: It allowed me to add holes to Sokoban 10:26 lol 10:26 !tell darthdiablo try your game again please, fix in place 10:26 I'm on it, K2. 10:26 oh so soko 1 now has holes 10:26 funny 10:26 hmm ok 10:26 It makes it generally easier to allow stuff like a branch that splits into 2 and then merges later 10:26 because this seems like an extreme change for me where a lot of things might go wrong 10:26 *It also makes 10:27 like not in terms of balance but just in terms of internal code things 10:27 stennowork: Right, Sokoban holes prompted the change, but it wasn't the *reason* for it 10:27 like, I've wanted to make the dungeon transistions dynamic for some time 10:27 and one day I decided to just do it 10:28 the sokoban holes is a bonus, I'd have made the change anyway even if it wasn't around 10:28 Personally I don't really care that you can pit hop across soko-1, if you can't figure that puzzle out then you probably won't be able to finish the branch 10:29 aosdict|work: the point was to generally allow more fancy dungeon structures. I could stick a downstair in Mines End and it would connect back to the main dungeon. Mind you, I don't think this is a *good* change gameplay-wise, the point is that it's possible 10:30 for a future dungeon rework 10:30 hah 10:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:31 FIQ: Yes, I would prefer not to bother with it until the ideas for a future dungeon rework crystallize and do it then 10:32 Fair enough 10:35 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 10:38 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 529 points, T:1141, killed by a little dog 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49659 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:49664 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49677 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:46126 10:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:49222 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Pri Hum Fem Law), 5526 points, T:5904, killed by an invisible ogre 11:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2546 points, T:3049, killed by a dwarf 11:01 -!- SilverCheshire_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02 -!- SilverCheshire_ has joined #hardfought 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 436 points, T:840, killed by a sewer rat, while reading a book 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10937 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 350 points, T:388, killed by a water moccasin 11:08 -!- SilverCheshire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Mal Neu), 1541380 points, T:49936, petrified by a beholder 11:10 fuck me 11:11 that was so dumb. i forgot to take my lizard corpse out of my bag 11:11 :( 11:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 329 points, T:1333, killed by a hobbit 11:14 -!- SilverCheshire_ has joined #hardfought 11:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 566 points, T:684, killed by a giant bat 11:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49293 11:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:49424 11:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:50363 11:41 hothraxxa :/ 11:45 beholder gaze is slow petrification right? 11:45 yes 11:45 EvilHack updated (all servers) 11:45 ^ handful of bugfixes 11:45 but doesn't that just spell death for those who only have a lizard corpse, since all you can do is take the next bite to stave off the petrification? 11:46 no 11:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:50545 11:46 beholders are slow, it can buy you enough time to blind yourself or get the hell out of there 11:47 -!- Guest23371 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:47 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:50583 11:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:50588 11:47 but it would be certain death if they were speed 12 11:48 potentially 11:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 118 points, T:448, killed by Ms. Pontarfynach, the shopkeeper 11:48 the various gaze attacks are random 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:2573 11:48 did you change the attacks from the deferred vanilla beholder? 11:49 IIRC in vanilla it always makes a petrification gaze every turn 11:49 (well, every one of its turns) 11:49 i'd say i was unlucky and i was, it showed up in a summon nasties storm 11:49 i'd have to look 11:49 however mostly i was stupid 11:49 there should be more nasties with gaze attacks 11:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Neu), 6377350 points, T:50610, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1578338776.dnh.txt 11:49 umber hulks are a good start 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:3030 11:49 congrats again @malor heh 11:49 grats malor 11:49 <@malor> thanks 11:49 <@zygographer> congrats 11:49 <@zygographer> ! 11:50 <@malor> thanks! 11:50 valorous malor 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 951 points, T:2588, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted vampire bat 11:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 130 points, T:387, killed by a large mimic 11:53 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 125 points, T:389, killed by a jackal 11:54 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 0 points, T:11, killed by a water moccasin 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:12599 12:02 i think I had added magical eyes to the nasties list 12:02 those are nasty 12:03 on their own the odds of them killing the player for fairly low, but grouped with other monsters, they can become a priority to take out 12:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1278 points, T:2211, killed by a paper golem 12:04 is a floating eye also nasty 12:04 ? 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:29649 12:04 its a part of wizapp yeah 12:04 yup I did add magical eyes 12:05 however, beholders are NOT part of any summon nasties list 12:05 hothraxxa, it was either already there or just a random spawn 12:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 178 points, T:239, killed by a sewer rat 12:05 well a priest called it in, that i know for sure. maybe just ordinary create monster 12:06 priests cant summon beholders 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 31454 points, T:18229, killed by a rope golem 12:06 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: quit] 12:06 they arent part of 'nasties' 12:06 all i know is that it appeared next to me 12:07 or in my line of sight 12:07 ok. but it wasnt summoned 12:08 i always blind myself if there's a 5 around that i haven't identified, and there wasn't one until suddenly i was slowing down 12:08 did it also spawn a cockatrice that you touched 12:08 or that hissed at you or we 12:09 !lastgame hothraxxa 12:09 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/evilhack/dumplog/1578007498.evil.html 12:09 looking at the dumpog, it wasn't next to me or even in my line of sight, unless it moved 12:09 nope. too far away to move out of los in one turn 12:10 which raises the question what is the area of effect for a beholder? 12:10 i was sure it had to be in los 12:11 looking again i guess it could have been in line of sight. oh well 12:11 yup, that 5 was it 12:12 yes but when i died it was out of line of sight, else it would not be a 5 12:12 it would have had to have been in los then when it first stoned you 12:12 that's possible 12:13 yeah, and at first i thought it couldn't have been but now i see it could have 12:13 well i'm a ststue so it must have 12:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:14 the critera is - you can see it, it can see (isnt blinded) and you have a clear los to its location 12:14 that's what i thought 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3797 12:15 i'd just unblinded myself too, which is how i know it wasn't there until it gazed at me 12:15 i would not unblind if i saw a 5 12:16 anyway it was a dumb death and i never want to think of it again :( 12:16 :/ 12:16 except as lesson learned. i'll think of it that way 12:17 all because i made room in my inventory by putting comestibles in my bag :( 12:17 i just noticed something 12:17 and forgot 12:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 mtmp->mcansee is part of every single gaze attack except for AD_STON 12:18 meaning the beholder could have blind and still used its stoning gaze attack 12:18 need to test this to confirm 12:18 pretty sure it wasn't blind in this case though 12:18 right, but still 12:18 i thought they usually spawned asleep 12:18 80% of the time yes 12:19 combat has a chance of awaking any sleeping monster 12:19 awakening 12:19 yes but that'd take a turn no? 12:20 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 as in they awaken and attack same round? or a turn goes by because yawn I just woke up 12:20 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 12:20 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 12:20 spawn and awaken same turn. more likely it spawned awake i'd think 12:21 it could have 12:21 oh one sec 12:21 i had at least one other in that game that spawned awake 12:21 if in gehennom i think they're always awke 12:21 awake 12:21 ah. now that you mention it, i think i knew that 12:22 the other one was in gehennom too 12:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:22 but the mtmp->mcansee bit, that needs to be addressed 12:22 actuallt this game i had 3 or 4 others 12:22 previous ascension i saw only one beholder and it spawned asleep 12:23 does it spawn awake regardless of level if you have the amulet? 12:26 yes 12:26 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 420 points, T:499, killed by a giant rat 12:26 that i do remember 12:27 oh cool... blinded and stoning gaze attack is already handled 12:29 YANI: Add an eye whose gaze makes you hallucinate. 12:29 ^ that 12:29 A pseyechedelic experience, if you will. 12:31 Also YANI: cut the frequency of lizard spawns to the point where you see maybe 1 or 2 over the course of the game. It's rather easy to stock up on lizard corpses and never actually be in danger from any delayed stoning effect. 12:32 (cutting the frequency would not prevent revgenoing them, which should still be viable if you really want a bunch of corpses) 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] every1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 4718 points, T:4716, killed by an orc-captain 12:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 177 points, T:1548, killed by a goblin 12:37 <@Tone> We could call it the third eye 12:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 7622 points, T:3919, killed by Mr. Neuvicq, the shopkeeper, while frozen by a potion 12:40 a third eye sounds like something that would give you clairvoyance when you eat it 12:40 (temporary) 12:41 you'd have to do the same for acid blobs 12:41 oh wait those rot away 12:42 OR 12:42 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 12:42 just make lizard corpses rot 12:42 hmm 12:42 that's not a terrible idea 12:42 you can still carry around acid potions or, yes, tin acid blobs or lizards 12:43 actually I'm not sure if a tinned acidic monster will cure stoning, needs wiztesting 12:43 but with no lizard corpse in open inventory, the odds go up on a successful footrice hiss/stoning attack 12:43 YANI: ^^ lizard corpses rotting 12:43 this is sufficiently evil 12:44 perhaps adjust the rot timer so they dont rot as quickly as other corpses 12:44 but still rot eventually 12:45 I think that would be fiddly enough that I wouldn't want to do it 12:48 the special longer rot, I mean 12:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 11630 points, T:7468, killed by a giant beetle 12:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:55 dbanethacker - I got your gauntlets of power for my run ;) 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 14770 points, T:23613, killed by a fire ant 12:56 wow that sucked 12:56 23k turns and didn't make it past dlvl 4 12:57 how come? 12:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:30026 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed ring of levitation", on T:30028 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:50724 13:04 maybe playing zen? 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:30031 13:07 no, just playing. had to chase around a nymph who eventually escaped the dungeon with EVERYTHING 13:07 blep 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh4] dg (post163) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 23674 points, T:730, killed by kicking a wall 13:07 then I was pretty much screwed 13:07 did the nymph come from fountain usage 13:07 nope 13:07 really? they're that low difficulty? 13:07 naked, XL 9, no weapon 13:08 so much for a streak 13:08 ha! 13:09 I wonder how common deaths/rage quits <2000 turns after running into a nymph at low xl (or two, as they seems to always travel in pairs) are. 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by naming Sting, on T:634 13:10 I don't think there's any logic that causes two nymphs to appear at or around each other. 13:11 I've never had one take all my armor, weapons, and sack out of the game before 13:11 yeah I know, it's probably just more likely I remember those encounters :) 13:11 Similarly, I remember removing some odd strategy advice on the wiki that said jackals always generate in pairs (they can, but it's G_SGROUP which can be up to 3 or 4) 13:11 never chase a nymph up to dlvl 1, kids 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Asshole (pri nymph fem cha), 6377350 points, T:610, ascended 13:14 Well, she didn't have the Amulet 13:14 :P 13:15 in fact, monsters carrying the Amulet cannot escape the dungeon 13:15 your problem, klintos, was not letting her also have the amulet 13:18 YANI: If you're carrying the Amulet, Angels gain an otherwise unused steal amulet claw attack. 13:18 -!- moon-child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 13:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Swn Fem Cha), 2878 points, T:1325, killed by a gnome 13:25 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 13:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 84 points, T:200, killed by a kobold 13:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class ;), on T:30420 13:34 -!- moon-child has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:03 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:52718 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:52727 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:16511 14:16 oh I realised I passed the 60000 turn limit 14:16 now the monster generation is kicking in 14:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 6650 points, T:5876, killed by a bolt of fire 14:22 -!- Joonaa has quit [Quit: ＜コ:彡] 14:23 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 14:28 <@Umby> Elaborate? 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided umber hulks, on T:60670 14:31 @Umby apparently in evilhack once your game goes over 60K turns, monster generation goes wild 14:31 <@Umby> >evilhack 14:31 <@Umby> Sounds Legit™️ 14:31 <@Umby> In what ways, though o: 14:32 Dunno. Ask K2. 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 499 points, T:1238, killed by a homunculus 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:13, killed by a fox 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:53968 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53974 14:41