00:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:44474
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00:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:22507
00:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:45309
00:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25371 points, T:10882, mowed down by a storm giant called Lord Belaphius
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00:49 <klintos> I do not want to waste a wish just to get a scroll of enchant armor
00:59 <Andrio> I'd suggest to wish for a marker instead.
01:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 363 points, T:629, killed by a hobbit
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02:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 198015 points, T:25193, petrified by an asphynx
02:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed tim's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3339
02:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 986 points, T:2309, killed by a homunculus
02:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 548 points, T:832, killed by a kitten
03:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2933 points, T:3886, killed by a mumak
03:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] NatsumeLuckyuro (Arc Hum Fem Law), 265 points, T:797, killed by a monster (digestolichen)
04:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 tiny green dragon scale shield", on T:39078
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05:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 tiny white dragon scale shield", on T:42294
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06:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43417
06:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:43444
06:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:43573
06:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44936
06:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:45049
06:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:45092
06:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:45136
06:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Wiz Hlf Mal Neu), 5060222 points, T:45163, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1577989378.dnh.txt
06:54 <stenno> grats malor
07:03 <rld> <@malor> thanks
07:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1503
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08:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:2678
08:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:2683
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08:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:21522
08:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 119 points, T:342, killed by a sewer rat
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09:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:33986
09:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:1315
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10:06 <stenno> a hill of gold
10:07 <aosdict> bhaak: I have a bunch more things I wanted to make pull requests for, but didn't want to flood github with too many, so I'm waiting for some to get resolved.
10:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2023
10:07 <aosdict> I'm particularly interested in the status of the mkclass fix PR (and stenno should be too)
10:09 <aosdict> I don't know whether I should close the mysterious force PR on account of it being partially addressed and unlikely to go any further.
10:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) stole 10 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kachzi Rellim's hardware store, on T:2527
10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 920 points, T:2500, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant
10:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrice), on T:3397
10:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3833
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4640 points, T:3886, killed by a bolt of lightning
10:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3041
10:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) murdered Fuggall, her faithful lesser nightmare, on T:20274
10:48 <hothraxxa> aw shit
10:49 <aosdict> > faithful lesser nightmare
10:49 <krm26> I'm at turn 25k in EvilHack now, I think this is 5x longer than I've ever lasted before
10:49 <hothraxxa> u        a unicorn or horse (tame lesser nightmare called Fuggem)
10:49 <hothraxxa> i got another one
10:49 <stenno> faithful lesser nightmare is great
10:50 <hothraxxa> they're really great when they grow up into a couchemare
10:50 <krm26> Even in EvilHack, item amnesia is bullcrap -- forget maps, fine, but all brain-sucking does is force me to take screenshots every once in a while
10:50 <krm26> I had a couchemare pet in this game from Sokoban, but it got zombied and I couldn't heal it
10:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 3726 points, T:3430, killed by a white unicorn
10:51 <hothraxxa> i've got some eucalyptus leaves now. fuggem will be fine
10:51 <krm26> I need a new pet, I've got a magic whistle and a nice 30-ring jeweler's shop to loot
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a dented pot entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:2903
10:52 <hothraxxa> evilhack pets stop eating when they're full, makes it hard to increase apport
10:52 <krm26> Magic whistle trumps apport!
10:52 <Andrio> Nice gift.
10:53 <hothraxxa> it'll be a cool dented pot though
10:53 <Andrio> Here, have my hand-me-down pot.
10:53 <krm26> Wizards love those pots
10:53 <hothraxxa> it's a helmet, and you can cook in it too!
10:53 <Andrio> well, it beats an orcish helm at least.
10:54 <hothraxxa> i hate finding an enchanted ented pot. i feel so silly wearing it
10:54 <krm26> I think I've spent more time staring at my screen trying to decide what in crap I should do than actually playing this game
10:54 <hothraxxa> +d
10:54 <krm26> What level do polymorph traps start popping up in EvilHack?
10:55 <hothraxxa> 8, same as vanilla
10:55 <hothraxxa> as a giant i don't fear them so much, since i can't wear any of the armour that gets destroyed
10:55 <krm26> My character is going to die of old age
10:55 <hothraxxa> do you want another mini spoiler?
10:56 <krm26> I'm too committed to this character now, spoil me to death
10:56 <Andrio> YASI: if you try to overflow the turn counter, you die of old age.
10:56 <krm26> Is Ludios a spectacular hellhole in EvilHack?
10:56 <hothraxxa> heh. at 60k turns, monster generation increases significantly
10:56 <krm26> NOOO
10:57 <krm26> II'm almost half way there already
10:57 <Andrio> UnNetHack does that too. Sokoban got so full of monsters it was kind of craze.
10:57 <hothraxxa> ludios is the same as vanilla
10:57 <Andrio> crazy
10:57 <krm26> I'm not sure how I could have gone much faster even if I started fully spoiled, I've had to nickle and dime my way the whole time
10:58 <hothraxxa> my advice is to collect magic mapping scrolls or buy a lot of clairvoyance for gehennom, although evilhack is not nearly as bad as vanilla
10:58 <krm26> I'm really nervous about partial reflection and my total lack of MR
10:58 <hothraxxa> in terms of needing mapping
10:58 <krm26> Luckily I still have a 99.5% change of dying on the Quest
10:59 <krm26> Gotta go rest my nerves, EvilHack stresses me out :-)
10:59 <hothraxxa> the rogue quest nemesis is a pushover but getting to him is a pita, and beware the damned guardian nagas
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10:59 <hothraxxa> oh and all the bloody chameleons
11:00 <bhaak> Andrio: the latest has that toned down. https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/commit/0ad8e7a9c3af3e56214e44056cec263912e70e34
11:01 <Andrio> Ah
11:02 <Andrio> That game exceeded 100 000 turns though, so
11:02 <Andrio> Before the Wizard.
11:03 <bhaak> "The rule of thumb is that at turn x the rate is approximately (x / 30.0000) times the normal rate"
11:04 <hothraxxa> four decimal places, wow!
11:05 <bhaak> with the old code, at turn 100_000 you'd have 7x the base rate, that is a new monster every ~10 turns, now it would be ~3x
11:05 <bhaak> oops, a typo in a critical section of the comment :-D
11:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 577 points, T:1414, killed by a gas spore's explosion
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a hard hat entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:3883
11:22 <krm26> Spellbook of reflection?!
11:26 <aosdict> krm26: in what variant, splicehack?
11:28 <hothraxxa> The leprechaun drops his gloves!
11:28 <hothraxxa> say whut?
11:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50934
11:32 <krm26> aodsict: EvilHack
11:32 <hothraxxa> w00t! acient pseudodragon in the big room
11:33 <krm26> Free pet?
11:33 <hothraxxa> D        a dragon (tame ancient pseudodragon called Fierce)
11:33 <hothraxxa> yeah threw tripe
11:33 <hothraxxa> they're really good pets
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 2352 points, T:3584, killed by a dwarf
11:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:51137
11:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51138
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11:39 <raisse> ooh I didn't know that pseudodragons could be tamed with tripe
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 6084 points, T:4408, killed by a horned devil
11:39 * hothraxxa apologizes for spoiling raisse
11:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Zuggotomoy, on T:51303
11:40 <aosdict> uh, does that mean that evilhack classifies psuedodragons as domestic animals?
11:40 <hothraxxa> if pets are domestic, then yes
11:41 <hothraxxa> wizards start with a pet pseudodragon, which is a real plus
11:42 <aosdict> I know wizards start with them, but I don't think the game enforces a starting pet === domestic equivalence.
11:43 <hothraxxa> maybe it doesn't 
11:43 <aosdict> but taming them with tripe implies that the game does consider them domestic
11:43 <hothraxxa> i've never seen the term "domestic" applied to nethack before, so what do i know
11:43 <aosdict> which is... very strange
11:44 <hothraxxa> oh. it's nethack, and THAT's what you find strange?
11:44 <aosdict> I have several gripes about psuedodragons in evilhack in genera
11:44 <aosdict> general
11:45 <hothraxxa> the latest variety?
11:45 <aosdict> has anything about them changed recently?
11:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 49 points, T:790, killed by a sewer rat
11:46 <hothraxxa> depends on what you call recently i suppose. i'd say not recently, but k2 did overhaul them at one point
11:47 <hothraxxa> anyway, now that i have one i quite like them
11:49 <aosdict> my main gripe was that the higher evolutions are insanely powerful for something a starting pet can grow into by letting it kill gnomes in the first few levels of the mines
11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1766
11:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:52420
11:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:52477
12:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:52569
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52625
12:06 <bouquet> in splice when a demon lord takes away my  instrinsics it's pretty permanent, right?  I'm a vampire so the only way I can gain them with certainty is crowning.
12:07 <aosdict> I don't think there are any methods of temporarily removing intrinsics with the existing trinsics system.
12:07 <aosdict> (Well, there's intrinsic blocking but that doesn't time out).
12:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Buer, on T:52918
12:08 <bouquet> I guess I could poly into a form that can eat and eat some tins of relevant color dragon meat.
12:09 <bouquet> if I wanted to stash The Amulet would digging a hold, dropping it in, and filling with a boulder work?
12:09 <bouquet> would it stay put while I run around the dungeon killing dragons?
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12:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baphomet, on T:52958
12:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1462782 points, T:53023, poisoned by Demogorgon (with the Amulet)
12:15 <aosdict> nooooooo
12:15 <bouquet> ya, no chance against demogorgon :(
12:15 <bouquet> anyway, just in time to go hit the slopes!
12:15 <aosdict> bouquet: the amulet pops out of the ground when the pit is filled, just like freezing water
12:16 <bouquet> gotcha
12:16 <bouquet> splice endgame is super hard.
12:17 <bouquet> vampire with =SD is a cakewalk for the rest of the game, but as soon as I lose intrinsics it's game over
12:18 <aosdict> who strips intrinsics?
12:18 <bouquet> Baer I think his name is?
12:19 <rld> <@luxidream> All of the demon lords have black speech
12:19 <rld> <@luxidream> Deafen yourself
12:20 <bouquet> TIL!
12:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] sflicht (Mon Dop Mal Neu), 22003 points, T:5587, killed by an Uruk-hai, while helpless
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12:25 <hothraxxa> baer. that'd be a good name for an aspirant
12:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5030
12:30 <aosdict> YANI: scroll of scare monster revamp: rather than disintegrating when picked up the second time, every time it scares a monster, add the monster's HD or difficulty to an internal counter on the scroll. The scroll disintegrates by itself when it has scared enough total difficulty of monsters.
12:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] book (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 312 points, T:1169, killed by a giant mimic
12:32 <stenno> aosdict: which of your PRs were accepted yet?
12:32 <stenno> post-3.6.4
12:33 <bhaak> work in progress: https://github.com/bhaak/nethack_travis/tree/copperwater_consolidated_pull_request_265
12:33 <aosdict> stenno: Technically, only the teleport-onto-VS one.
12:33 <stenno> kk
12:33 <stenno> ooh good job bhaak 
12:34 <stenno> thanks both of you
12:34 <aosdict> mysterious force was addressed but not directly and not in the way I want so not sure whether to keep it open
12:34 <bhaak> aosdict: are you familiar with the intricacies of the scroll of scare monster code?  if not, have a look at it, it's a wtf moment
12:34 <stenno> yeah i saw the mf thing
12:34 <stenno>  you are not happy with the mf nerf?
12:34 <aosdict> I like it better than nothing, but I would really prefer to have the force gone entirely.
12:35 <stenno> ok
12:35 <bhaak> but it is now also clearly defined as a red line. because Izchak implemented it.
12:36 <aosdict> Did Izchak also implement amnesia, or is it worth it to open a pull request for removing amnesia?
12:36 <bhaak> I don't know :-)
12:36 <aosdict> (Mind flayers are plenty dangerous without amnesia, IMO).
12:36 <bhaak> pity I didn't have a chance to talk with him.
12:37 <bhaak> talking with a professor of philosophy about nethack would be interesting
12:37 <bhaak> I got some good online and real life talks out of a professor of mathematics with regard to DCSS and roguelikes in general :)
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12:41 <hothraxxa> yet another door checked 5 times explodes and burns my invetory
12:42 <hothraxxa> sometimes i'm tempted to use up all these wands of striking and just blow up every door i want to go through
12:42 <hothraxxa> bad enough that i use up 5 turns at every closed door
12:47 <rld> <@luxidream> Aosdict: how would buc be taken into account
12:48 <rld> <@luxidream> would the scroll visibly degrade in beatitude as it scares monsters?
13:00 <hothraxxa> you see here a very partially blessed scroll of scare monster
13:01 <hothraxxa> the black dragon feels squeamish but disintegrates your shield anyway
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13:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 124 points, T:221, killed by a magic missile
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13:36 <qdesjardin1> in notdnethack, is there anything different from vanilla if you attack an altar's priest? 
13:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1353
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13:43 <rld> <@rikersan> qdesjardin: presumably same as dnh - it aggros
13:44 <rld> <@rikersan> if you just purely attack, not sacrifice and try to convert, that's better - no altar minions to fight at the same time
13:44 <bhaak> aosdict: what's "Always print a message when the hero level teleports" b82bd14 for a low effort commit? not even a different message when you land on the same level! or hallucination! or deafness!
13:44 <bhaak> strike deafness, I'm not a fan of that ;-)
13:45 <bhaak> what's the gamer experience for deafness?
13:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3020 points, T:3103, killed by a gnome lord
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14:04 <stenno> bhaak: huh? did you say something?
14:05 <stenno> for some reason i totally like the idea to apply carrots to deafen yourself
14:05 <stenno> that would be something nifty
14:05 <bhaak> stenno: WHAT'S THE GAMER EXPERIENCE FOR DEAFNESS?
14:05 * bhaak mumbles: you silly, old german
14:05 <stenno> :P
14:06 <stenno> in vanilla, is there any advantage of being deaf?
14:06 <bhaak> I'm not yet convinced that it's more than a gimmick and is something like we should be able to use a knife to blind ourselves for permablindness
14:09 <bhaak> "You materialize on the same a different level!"
14:09 <bhaak> I swear, I've seen this 10 times at least and only now notice the error
14:14 <bhaak> aosdict: hmm, is there a reason why you didn't use the post_msg parameter of schedule_goto for "you materialize on a different level"?
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14:19 <stenno> schedule_goto sounds terrible
14:19 <bhaak> it's the core level change code
14:20 <stenno> i assume old devteam wanted to be funky by using the word 'goto' for level change
14:22 <bhaak> lol
14:22 <stenno> even though it already exists as a keyword in the language
14:22 <bhaak> "goto considered harmful" is from 1968
14:23 <stenno> wow
14:23 <stenno> i sometimes forget how old pascal is
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14:24 <bhaak> Pascal was released in 1970
14:24 <stenno> yep
14:24 <stenno> i still learned it in school around 2000 lol
14:24 <bhaak> the essay is from Dijkstra but Wirth changed the original title
14:24 <bhaak> so there is a pascal connection
14:24 <stenno> interesting
14:25 <stenno> i was thinking about higher languages released around that time
14:25 <stenno> i don't think you can consider algol a high programming language :P
14:25 <bhaak> but it is
14:25 <stenno> actually
14:25 <stenno> yeah..
14:25 <bhaak> almost all modern languages have their direct or indirect roots in it
14:26 <stenno> actually looks quit pascally
14:26 <bhaak> did you know that the for statement is a European invention?
14:26 <stenno> quite
14:26 <bhaak> that's not surprising.
14:26 <stenno> who invented for?
14:26 <stenno> in modern JS, you don't use for and while anymore
14:27 <bhaak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Rutishauser
14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Elf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:7046
14:27 <bhaak> it was originally called "für"  :)
14:27 <stenno> first as the German für in Superplan,
14:27 <stenno> amazing
14:28 <bhaak> if you follow the history line from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL_58 where a bunch of European and American just had a fun meetup in Zürich, you see there was only a handful of people. but very influential ones
14:28 <bhaak> likely there was just noone else who was doing stuff like this and they knew each other
14:29 <stenno> oh backus
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14:29 <stenno> i assume he is the backus of the backus-naur form
14:29 <stenno> yep
14:29 <bhaak> also, if you go further back in time, it's not so surprising that it was in Zürich.
14:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Shinobars (Arc Hum Fem Law), 20 points, T:471, killed by a goblin
14:30 <stenno> hmm why would that be?
14:30 <bhaak> the ETH got their hands on a Zuse 4 immediately after the war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z4_(computer)#Usage_after_World_War_II
14:30 <stenno> aah awesome
14:31 <{Demo}1> what a cool techno piano
14:31 <bhaak> the German page has that little gem: "sie überstand die Kriegswirren zunächst in einem Schuppen in Hinterstein im Allgäu, später in einem Mehllager in Hopferau"
14:32 <stenno> :)
14:32 <stenno> assuming i get the job i applied for, i can look at the Z4 in munich
14:34 <bhaak> Rutishauser was an assistant to the professor who bought the Z4.  as stated on Wikipedia, Plankalkül was an influence for his Superplan language and that influenced Algol.
14:35 <stenno> Plankalkül is an amazing name for a programming language
14:35 <bhaak> the early history of programming languages is really weird. for example Plankalkül has a 2D notation.
14:36 <bhaak> then they had long discussions about parsing computer languages and if that can even be done efficiently
14:36 <bhaak> this page details the problems they had: https://jeffreykegler.github.io/personal/timeline_v3
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14:36 <stenno> interesting, thanks
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14:38 <stenno> amazing how pioneering ada lovelace was
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14:38 <qdesjardin> why doesn't nurse dancing work in notdnethack
14:39 <rld> <@rikersan> demo thought it was stupid
14:39 <qdesjardin> ok
14:39 <rld> <@rikersan> ndnh makes a lot of questionable decisions
14:39 <rld> <@rikersan> have you seen lokoban
14:39 <qdesjardin> yeah I have
14:39 <stenno> i like the lokoban lol
14:39 <qdesjardin> lokoban is.. weird
14:40 <rld> <@rikersan> my fave is the landmines one
14:40 <qdesjardin> what things should I keep in mind if I keep on playing ndnh
14:40 <rld> <@rikersan> wait no grenades
14:40 <rld> <@rikersan> ndnh is basically dnh if you're not touching the new roles and races
14:40 <stenno> i survived that one by pure chance
14:41 <rld> <@rikersan> whoops not landmines, grenades
14:41 <qdesjardin> what other "questionable decisions" are there in ndnh
14:42 <qdesjardin> cause I almost died reverse-genociding nurses in lokoban
14:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Cha), 362 points, T:406, killed by a gas cloud
14:42 <krm26> Lokoban?
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> LMAO
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> that was an instadeath
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> oh well
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> anyway krm demo hates soko
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> so he changed it
14:42 <rld> <@rikersan> qdesjardin: the existence of ACU?
14:42 <qdesjardin> what's ACU
14:43 <rld> <@rikersan> anachronounbinder
14:43 <qdesjardin> ok
14:43 <rld> <@rikersan> the role
14:43 <qdesjardin> like general gameplay changes? 
14:44 <rld> <@rikersan> spears are different?
14:44 <rld> <@rikersan> they're pretty groovy
14:44 <qdesjardin> how so?
14:44 <rld> <@rikersan> you can tip them with different rock
14:44 <rld> <@rikersan> soft gems only
14:44 <rld> <@rikersan> use a flint to knap a soft gem into a <gem> spearpoint
14:45 <rld> <@rikersan> different gems grant different powers, best is dilithium (2x damaeg) I believe
14:45 <stenno> thats cool
14:45 <qdesjardin> intersting
14:45 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah it's a classic example of "thing that was unnecessary" imo but whatever
14:45 <rld> <@rikersan> salamnders get racial multishot with spears I believe
14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> monks have new active powers
14:46 <stenno> that sounds really strong
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14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> !who
14:46 <Beholder> @rikersan: [hdf-us] amelie [ndnh] LovelyKittenz [nh363] krm26 [evil] JohnKeel [spl] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Hill [nh370] Vis [nh370] OhNoNotAgain [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players
14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> stenno: yeah it's stupid lol
14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> ndnh is NOT balanced in any way shape or form, and tha'ts intentional-ish
14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> !whereis amelie
14:46 <Beholder> @rikersan: [hdf-us] amelie [ndnh]: (Bar Hum Fem Cha) T:13067 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8
14:46 <stenno> fair
14:46 <rld> <@rikersan> qdesjardin: you won't find the mines downstair either
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> in the town, chat to the traveling wizard and he'll open a portal to one of the various mines branches
14:47 <qdesjardin> I already figured that out
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> there's a swamp, icy place, mines, like a total of 5 I think
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> neat
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> gnomes get vapes now?
14:47 <qdesjardin> you talk with the dude, and it turns the branch into whatever
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> ya
14:47 <qdesjardin> but it's better to turn into Gnomish Mines anyway
14:47 <qdesjardin> cause the other branches, like the archipelego can be such a pain to go through
14:48 <rld> <@rikersan> I think technically the archi is the best for loot but yeah you need to be a vamp or clock to really make use
14:48 <rld> <@rikersan> plus that one tends to swarm with ; ASAP
14:48 <rld> <@rikersan> oh yeah the neu outlands are very changed
14:48 <qdesjardin> outlands?
14:49 <rld> <@rikersan> do you know the general dnh structure?
14:49 <qdesjardin> no
14:49 <rld> <@rikersan> ok
14:49 <rld> <@rikersan> have you played dnethack much
14:50 <qdesjardin> a little bit back in 2017
14:50 <rld> <@rikersan> ok
14:50 <rld> <@rikersan> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Chris/dNetHack/Rule_Changes
14:50 <rld> <@rikersan> I recommend re-reading that
14:53 <qdesjardin> is there a list of changes ndnh makes to dnh?
14:54 <rld> <@rikersan> qdesjardin: https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack/blob/2019.12.24/changelog.txt
14:54 <qdesjardin> awesome
14:55 <rld> <@rikersan> it's also worth noting ndnh uses more vanilla (splicehack's rules I believe technically) arti wishing rules than current dnh
14:55 <rld> <@rikersan> same odds as vanilla, but uses the number of artifacts wished for only
14:56 <qdesjardin> ok
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14:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:35734
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15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 639 points, T:1294, killed by a piranha
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15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 1612 points, T:3988, cut down by an invisible hex dragon
15:09 <rld> <@John Keel> man
15:09 <rld> <@John Keel> I fully expected the hex dragon to poof like any other cartomancer summon
15:10 <rld> <@John Keel> !tell antigulp it seems unintentional that tameness for cartomancer summons ticks while you're not on the floor but the poof timer doesn't tick - this is especially noticeable for the random starting cards that might be able to go invisible...
15:10 <Beholder> Will do, @John Keel!
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15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) was given the Silence Glaive, on T:15702
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 245 points, T:499, killed by a falling rock
15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1830
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a yellow dragon, on T:26318
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Nbn Law), 432 points, T:1899, slaughtered by a giant spider
15:18 <krm26> GAAAAAAH
15:18 <krm26> sonuva
15:18 <krm26> There go my only two decent pieces of gear after 25000 turns
15:19 <aosdict> @luxidream Beatitude would not work the same as it does now. Absent any better ideas, I'd say that beatitude wouldn't affect the use of the scroll on the ground at all; it would only matter if you read it. (But picking up a cursed one would still disintegrate it because that can make for interesting bones and is used in Soko/Castle).
15:20 <aosdict> bhaak: if there is a better way to do it, I probably didn't know about it when I wrote the code.
15:21 <stenno> did anyone of you participate in google aoc?
15:22 <stenno> some people of my golfing group did, but not myself
15:22 <stenno> kinda sad that i missed it now :P
15:22 <aosdict> autumn of code?
15:22 <stenno> advent of code
15:23 <stenno> https://adventofcode.com/
15:23 <stenno> er not google
15:23 <stenno> dunno why i always associate that with google
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15:30 <{Demo}1> yeah i did some aoc
15:30 <{Demo}1> for like maybe 1/3 of the days
15:30 <{Demo}1> got sick and was busy a lot
15:30 <stenno> fair
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 536 points, T:1776, killed by a wand
15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for his first artifact, on T:7708
15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "the master key of thievery", on T:7708
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15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] amelie (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2334 points, T:3445, quit
15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:4000
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pony corpse on an altar, on T:4436
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:27988
15:53 <krm26> Better and better
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:19092
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16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 Tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:19564
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16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:13082
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16:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:19954
16:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4000 points, T:4693, zombified by a gnome zombie, while disrobing
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16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15314
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:11252
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:26438
16:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11622
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16:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Cha), 9999 points, T:3785, killed by an ettin mummy
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16:50 <bhaak> aosdict: I also only learned about that right now. it also looks like the teleportation is cancelled if you specify the current level, so no message should appear. so the code simplifies a bit: https://github.com/bhaak/nethack_travis/commit/0d1d6ac44a65871d6628da94f8b117d813485e0e
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16:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 146 points, T:681, killed by an orcish dagger
16:55 <bhaak> that took surprisingly long.
16:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 509 points, T:970, killed by a rothe
16:56 <bhaak> that level code is a convoluted
16:56 <stenno> convoluted nethack code? impossible
16:58 <bhaak> aosdict: also adding a line in doc/fixes37.0 would be appreciated. under nethack community patches, so that it's more obvious that it's not only the devteam that thinks of everything :-)
17:01 <aosdict> you want me to add a line in fixes37.0? where?
17:01 <aosdict> or rather, for what?
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17:03 <bhaak> aosdict: for an appropriate commit.
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17:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:550
17:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 304 points, T:551, killed by a bolt of cold
17:04 <bhaak> https://github.com/bhaak/nethack_travis/commit/25a248219a81212a1fd41e261f0ef29f9a34d59d
17:04 <ELRanger> Ooh. So this also mentions when we find artifacts? 
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17:06 <bhaak> not every patch needs a line but "fixes" is actually a wrong name. it's the changelog per version, so you can put there almost anything.
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 762 points, T:1210, offed by a giant spider
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Adept, on T:13409
17:07 <qdesjardin> trying out evilhack for the first time, was surprised by elf gangrape when naming a dagger Sting
17:09 <rld> <@rikersan> naming or wishing artifacts now triggers their owners to come after you
17:09 <rld> <@rikersan> for QA wishing, it's the appropriate quest nemesis
17:09 <krm26> Yes. Do not wish for Grayswandir on level 2 in EvilHack.
17:09 <krm26> As I did.
17:09 <qdesjardin> perhaps I can use this to my advantage
17:09 <rld> <@rikersan> what does that summon krm? arc player monster?
17:10 <krm26> Yes indeed, with a wand of polymorph and full kit (and wielding Grayswandir)
17:10 <rld> <@rikersan> also yeah if you've got an easy means of killing them (wand of death ready?) it's probably fine
17:10 <rld> <@rikersan> oooh that's even better, stone that dude and have fun
17:10 <qdesjardin> if I have a coaligned altar ready
17:10 <rld> <@rikersan> but not on xp 2 :)
17:10 <krm26> I'm afraid my current run is going to end due to increased mob spawning, I'm almost at turn 30k and I haven't been able to tackle the Quest yet
17:11 <krm26> EvilHack is quite challenging
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17:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] zor (Arc Hum Mal Law), 667 points, T:562, killed by a magic missile
17:12 <qdesjardin> I like chalenging
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17:13 <krm26> I thought I liked challenging too :-)   I've got about 100 deaths now and this is the closest I've come to getting to the Quest
17:13 <krm26> When I die this time I'm going to go ascend a pacifist tourist in vanilla as a break
17:13 <hothraxxa> krm26: get a horn to scare off the mobs
17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Tmasher (Car Inf Fem Law), 80 points, T:209, killed by kicking an orc corpse
17:14 <krm26> "get a horn" he says. Number of horns found: 0. Drums: 0.
17:14 <hothraxxa> a bugle will work but beware soldiers and the watch
17:14 <krm26> Weapons worth using: 0 (made a stack of daggers for daggerstorming)
17:15 <qdesjardin> also - I love how somerooms in evilhack aren't square
17:15 <krm26> Found jumping boots, cloak of invisibility, no other magical armor. Turn 28,433 baby
17:15 <hothraxxa> you'll see an npc soon i wager
17:16 <hothraxxa> they usually have decent stuff
17:16 <krm26> I actually don't think I've ever played a game with an rng this cruel (quite distinct from the difficulty level, I'm just having awful luck)
17:16 <krm26> I think an npc would hand me my lunch unless I can kite them and they don't have good wands
17:16 <hothraxxa> oh, that's good news then. it will turn around because you know, law of averages amirite?
17:16 <krm26> Heh
17:17 <krm26> Just found a USELESS amulet of life saving...like I'm ever taking off reflection
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:36600
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36601
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 922 points, T:617, killed by a parrot
17:23 <krm26> A repair armor spell? Oooo
17:23 <krm26> If only I could cast it
17:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:2410
17:23 <qdesjardin> interesting; engraving Elbereth with finger makes you write something else instead
17:23 <qdesjardin> but if you try writing Elbereth with wand, it's successfull
17:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8160
17:29 <stenno> engraving elbereth with your fingers has a really high chance to smudge
17:29 <stenno> anyway i should sleep
17:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2506
17:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8521
17:40 <hothraxxa> qdesjardin: in evilhack, you aren't supposed to be able to engrave elbereth until you discover it somehow in the game
17:41 <hothraxxa> so if you didn't find it between trying with fingertip and with the wand, i think that's a bug 
17:45 <qdesjardin> right, well I was using a wand which makes the bugs on the floor stop moving
17:45 <qdesjardin> with other wands (i.e. wand of light), you also aren't able to write Elbereth on the floor
17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9563
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a gnome corpse on an altar of Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3195
17:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4277 points, T:5408, killed by a soldier ant, while sleeping
17:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3382 points, T:3377, mowed down by a bear
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18:07 <aosdict> YANI: make cans of grease readable.
18:08 <aosdict> Anyone have an idea for a easter-egg-type message that the label would be?
18:08 <rld> <@rikersan> "caution: grease is water-soluble" ?
18:08 <{Demo}1> pretty ure that's not a new idea
18:09 <aosdict> {Demo}1: if so, it predates my record-keeping
18:10 <aosdict> @rikersan that's good. How about a brand name?
18:10 <rld> <@rikersan> do lamps have one?
18:10 <aosdict> one what
18:10 <rld> <@rikersan> I know we've got yendorian fuel tax, any other exsiting ones?
18:10 <rld> <@rikersan> a brand name
18:11 <aosdict> xnh tin labels have some but those don't exist outside of it
18:11 <aosdict> "Yendorian Grease.  Caution: water-soluble."
18:12 <rld> <@rikersan> sounds good to me
18:12 <{Demo}1> oh, must be thinking of reading tins
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] sflicht (Wiz Dop Mal Cha), 5106 points, T:5281, killed by a baby yellow dragon
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18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:24040
18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24252
18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3168 points, T:3082, killed by a hill orc
18:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18946
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18:25 <ELRanger> Hm I'm going to go here to try and ask. 
18:25 <ELRanger> Giant meat hasn't changed since 3.6.0 right?
18:25 <rld> <@rikersan> don't believe so
18:26 <ELRanger> Okay thank you. 
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18:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6726
18:30 <aosdict> ELRanger: I don't remember if the reduction so that they only give strength gain 50% of the time happened after 3.6.0 or not, but that is definitely a change since 3.4.3.
18:30 <aosdict> oh you asked in #nethack already
18:31 <ELRanger> Haha yeah, but thank you!
18:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:34169
18:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:25071
18:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19482
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "very very holy thoroughly unlocked fixed diluted unlit platinum yendorian express card named picked from karl malden's wallet", on T:27043
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:27101
18:47 <hothraxxa> so i'm a murderer now? 
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18:47 <hothraxxa> he attacked me! self-defense
18:48 <hothraxxa> iow he was definitely created hostile
18:48 <hothraxxa> k2: fix, please
18:48 <hothraxxa> anyway, pyec get!
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:26074
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical pair of snow boots entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:9530
18:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:26600
18:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of mithril elven boots entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:9764
19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:26973
19:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] FuzzyChilla (Sam Hum Mal Law), 107218 points, T:22357, killed by a death ray
19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:899
19:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a wormwood staff entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:10686
19:08 <qdesjardin> what does a staff of divination do
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> boosts divination spells
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19:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] amelie (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a ragged spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:11068
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19:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:27818
19:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:28232
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19:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:28435
19:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2861 points, T:2628, killed by a giant bat
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) wished for "thoroughly fixed blessed extinguished unlabeled very +5 very dragonhide boots of speed named usain bolt's crocs", on T:27439
19:33 <krm26> Not a helm of speed? I can't wait for one of those
19:33 <qdesjardin> USAIN BOLT
19:33 <qdesjardin> :> :> :> :>
19:34 <qdesjardin> (I'm screenshotting that in case I ever get a wish in evil)
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19:35 <hothraxxa> these boots are fugly
19:36 <hothraxxa> krm26: i forgot about the helm. probably would have been a better choice since then i could get water walkers later
19:36 <aosdict> they are very +5 though
19:36 <hothraxxa> well yeah
19:37 <krm26> Did you actually get them +5? Lucky!
19:37 <hothraxxa> no
19:37 <hothraxxa> it happens often enough that i keep doing it
19:37 <aosdict> but asking for "very +5" makes it try extra hard to get you that enchantment
19:37 <hothraxxa> any minute now pinkbeast will pop up to explain that wishing for +5 is bad
19:39 <hothraxxa> as a giant, i don't have a lot of use for enchant armour scrolls, and i have some so not getting +5 is not much of a disappointment
19:40 <rld> <@rikersan> if you play the game looking for the absolute best possible move ever, it's not as fun
19:40 <rld> <@rikersan> wishing for +5 isn't very good for avg value but is it fun when you land the +5? yep
19:41 <hothraxxa> well i do it routinely and i enjoy it. i've had some modest success
19:42 <hothraxxa> S) a blessed +4 pair of dragonhide speed boots named usain bolt's crocs (being worn)
19:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:27494
19:50 <krm26> A sea dragon? Uh oh
19:55 <krm26> No fun being digested by a dragon
19:59 <hothraxxa> they spit AND swallow
19:59 <krm26> I think if I'm wearing a ring of slow digestion that the dragon should not be able to digest me so fast :-)
20:08 <krm26> Come on, *none* of those dragons left scales? hhkgjhfg
20:09 <bug_sniper> good yani, krm26
20:10 <bug_sniper> yasi: pets spend twice as long eating corpses that have a ring of slow digestion on them
20:13 <krm26> EvilHack rewarded me! I have sea dragon scales!
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20:42 <aosdict> krm26: If you're wearing slow digestion, stuff that swallow you will regurgitate you
20:42 <aosdict> this is in vanilla
20:42 <krm26> That seems too friendly for EvilHack
20:47 <K2> heh
20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2423 points, T:3414, killed by an elf zombie
20:53 <krm26> I wish I could apply an arbitrary item to a polymorph trap  to poly it and eat the trap
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20:56 <krm26> Ugh that chameleon made me have a heart attack...spring-loaded master lich
20:57 <krm26> Giant leech? eewwww
21:02 <krm26> Vampire mage? Now you're just making sh*t up
21:03 <K2> vampire mage is actually a vanilla monster that was never enabled
21:03 * K2 just got caught up on backscroll
21:04 <K2> giant leech - that's me making things up :P
21:04 <krm26> 33,000 turns without any potential sources of magic resistance and counting
21:04 <K2> aosdict: pseudodragon in evilhack was revamped months ago, it's starting level and level progression is the same as a cat or dog
21:05 <K2> and i need to test this engraving e word thing w/ wand
21:06 <K2> !who
21:06 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] dingotron [nh363] krm26 [evil] Kevkat [nh370] rikersan [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Graznop [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players
21:08 <aosdict> krm26: Yes, if you go on github and look at monsters.c in vanilla, vampire mage is there, but is commented out.
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21:25 <krm26> Soooo...if I pop on a ring of slow digestion this green dragon will barf me up?
21:26 <Andrio> If you managed to be swallowed by a green dragon, probably.
21:26 <krm26> Getting swallowed by a green dragon takes no effort at all it turns out
21:26 <Andrio> Nom
21:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3087 points, T:2040, killed by a tengu
21:28 <krm26> Mmm, engulfed and dying, and my extra healing potion releases an angry djinn :-)
21:28 <krm26> I'm disappointed he isn't trapped in the green dragon's belly with me
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:44085
21:29 <Andrio> Me too
21:29 <Andrio> Can you pray there?
21:29 <krm26> OH COME ON - full healing is milky so I just got a ghost from my NEXT potion
21:29 <Andrio> I know it doesn't work in vanilla, but..
21:29 <Andrio> Yikes
21:29 <K2> krm26 - you're wearing a ring of slow digestion, any monster that engulfs you will spit you back up. this is vanilla nethack behavior
21:30 <krm26> I'm not sure if I'm safer being digested or not
21:30 <K2> you dont want to be digested
21:30 <krm26> I was chameleon-archliched to the moon
21:31 <K2> if you stay in too long its death (also vanilla)
21:34 <rld> <@rikersan> wands of digging should set hp to 1 if not changed in evilhack
21:34 <rld> <@rikersan> suggestion: that halves current hp instead
21:34 * K2 did not change that
21:35 <rld> <@rikersan> does vanilla modify that for juiblex? it does in 3.6 right
21:35 <K2> i've never looked
21:35 <K2> makes me want to look
21:38 <rld> <@rikersan> wiki says nah
21:39 <Andrio> We killed Juiblex on the Delphi level that way in TNNT
21:39 <rld> <@rikersan> sounds like something for evilhack to address
21:40 <krm26> I can't believe I escaped that level...
21:40 <aosdict> krm26: ouch, you have like the worst possible potion randomization
21:40 <krm26> This run has been bad luck forwards and backwards
21:41 <krm26> I've never gone 33,000 turns before with just two pieces of magical armor (jumping and invis)
21:42 <rld> <@rikersan> no player monsters yet?
21:42 <krm26> One, on the level I just escaped from -- buried in dragons and naga
21:42 <krm26> Gotta somehow deal with this fake arch lich with all too real gating first
21:43 <krm26> Unfortunately most of my daggerstorm is on the level I ran from
21:43 <krm26> So harsh language it is
21:44 <krm26> Anticlimactic, the chameleon finally decided to turn himself into a vegetable
21:44 <rld> <@rikersan> grats?
21:45 <krm26> Stay tuned for my intense whining as I try to go back to the level that just kicked my ass
21:47 <K2> :)
21:50 <krm26> My kindgom for some magic resistance
21:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:33442
21:59 <krm26> Uh oh. I've succeeded enough that I actually have to make a gearing choice
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22:00 <krm26> Sorry I'm so talky, I haven't been this challenged by a nethack game in a decade
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22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:25160
22:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 454 points, T:817, murdered by a dwarf
22:25 <K2> 'I haven't been this challenged by a nethack game in a decade' <---- thank you very much for the compliment
22:26 <K2> lets me know i'm on the desired track :)
22:33 <krm26> Just prepare yourself for the long stream of invective when I finally die
22:34 <krm26> Or wrap the turn counter, which may come first
22:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] tjw (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:25905
22:39 <krm26> So eating a stalker while invisible no longer gives permanent see invisible in EvilHack?
22:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 2307 points, T:2941, killed by an arrow
22:40 <K2> perm invis/see invis was changed to temporary across a few things
22:40 <K2> thats one
22:40 <krm26> Darnit
22:40 <K2> there's a couple ways to make it permanent
22:41 <krm26> I'll make sure to try the invisible stalker enema next time I have one around
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22:42 <K2> eating a stalker only grants temp invis/see invis
22:43 <K2> i can explain further but i dont know how spoiled you want to be
22:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Car Elf Fem Neu), 232 points, T:789, done in by a small mimic
22:44 <krm26> My current (relative) success has destroyed my will to avoid spoilers :-)   Now I just want to smell Gehennom before I die
22:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3632 points, T:4647, zombified by a diseased gnome corpse
22:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10917
22:45 <krm26> BTW, has polypiling been nerfed? I ask as someone who has only found two pieces of magical armor in 34,478 turns
22:46 <krm26> But has a fresh wand of polymorph lying around
22:46 <K2> no it hasnt
22:46 <krm26> Gonna have to give that a shot then if I can ever find Ludios
22:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:24313
22:46 <K2> ok so perm invis/see invis - only way to have either other than wearing gear that gives it: step on a magic trap
22:47 <K2> *permanently
22:47 <K2> a magic trap can give/take way permanent invisibility/see invis
22:48 <krm26> That's awful! I guess you should in theory be able to ascend in 1,000 turns though, so you can just potion yourself through it
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22:48 <K2> a lot of players actually view that as a good thing. perm invis isnt always desireable
22:49 <krm26> Really? The downsides seem very slight
22:50 <krm26> Maybe if you don't have a magic whistle for pet management
22:50 <rld> <@rikersan> I generally never bother to go invis, esp since I like shopping
22:51 <krm26> That's why you keep a shopping shroud!
22:52 <krm26> I want an artifact pick-axe that you can invoke to change it back and forth to a mummy wrapping for convenient shopping
22:52 <K2> heh
22:52 <K2> me personally, i like perm invis too
22:53 <krm26> I like this gold dragonscale mail, but if you enchant it to +5 its radius should increase by 1 so you don't need a magic lamp
22:53 <krm26> I guess that would be for ConvenienceHack and not EvilHack
22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a plains centaur, on T:11837
22:54 <K2> thats not a bad idea
22:54 <K2> awhile back i was kicking around a similar change to magic lamps
22:54 <krm26> The utility difference of each extra radius of light is huge
22:54 <K2> uncursed: normal range, blessed increase range by 1, cursed: give off a radius of darkness
22:55 <krm26> Since the code is already there, I've always wondered why clerical monsters didn't get a cloud of darkness spell
22:55 <krm26> I.e. poison gas without the poison
22:55 <rld> <@rikersan> gold DSM could be 1 range for enc 0-1, 2 range for enc 2-3, and 3 range for 4-5?
22:57 <krm26> Alternately since you have dragonscale as a material for other armors, speciate that material and have the specials stack (second piece of gold dragonscale -> 3 radius light). Super cornercase tho
22:58 <K2> hmmm no, there isnt different types of dragonscale for different armor pieces
22:58 <K2> that'd be way way too OP
23:04 <krm26> Wish my stupid god would give me Frost Brand already
23:04 <krm26> My +5 daggers just don't cut the mustard
23:09 <K2> x - an uncursed wand of wishing (0:1).
23:09 <K2> only 0:1 but i'll take it
23:09 <krm26> I can feel you stealing my good rng cycles
23:09 <K2> and i have blessed scroll of charging so i'll get a good 5 out of it
23:10 <K2> oh dont worry, this game aint even close to being over yet
23:13 <krm26> Does the endgame mount come with a saddle, or do you need to bring one with you?
23:13 <K2> comes with one
23:13 <K2> hah did you spoil yourself??
23:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:41608
23:13 <krm26> My spirit has broken, I want this worthless piece of crap rogue to live
23:14 <K2> fyi - every role can train to at least basic skill in riding (made this a thing because of the steed you get at the endgame)
23:16 <krm26> Even as short swords, are the Brands still the weapons of choice for rogues?
23:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 303 points, T:766, killed by a jackal
23:17 <K2> the brands are always a good choice
23:17 <K2> FYI - you can dual wield artifact weapons
23:17 <krm26> I'm still not sure I'll ever see *one* artifact weapon :-)
23:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of enchant armor", on T:50645
23:17 <K2> with a catch - lawful + chaotic dont mix
23:17 <krm26> Other than my brief 3-turn experience with Grayswandir on a previous toon
23:19 <K2> ok so, read this - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack
23:20 <K2> and also look at the change log (link is on the wiki link I just posted)
23:20 <hothraxxa> k2: did you see where me killing the hostile master of thieves made me a murderer?
23:20 <K2> i did
23:20 <hothraxxa> that's wrong
23:20 <K2> from a quest artifact wish right?
23:20 <hothraxxa> yes
23:20 <K2> ok
23:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 907 points, T:1471, killed by a dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze
23:31 <krm26> I think I have to give up my magic lamp for a weapon
23:31 <krm26> dammit
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:50841
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50849
23:40 <krm26> Am I going to die to some hitherto unknown Master Assassin ability, or just die normally?
23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Master Assassin, on T:35620
23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35623
23:50 <krm26> On that high note, time to break for slumbers
23:52 <K2> \o/
23:52 <krm26> Oh, before I go -- Ludios guaranteed or random?
23:53 <K2> wooo aosdict a lot fo your PR's just made it into 3.7
23:53 <K2> *of
23:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 342 points, T:1170, killed by a coyote, while praying
23:53 <K2> planning on an update to 370-hdf tomorrow, so we'll get to see all of these in action then
23:55 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers)