00:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:08 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 283 points, T:288, killed by a coyote 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:22511 00:24 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc9a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 202 points, T:264, killed by a coyote 00:26 It hits! --More-- 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Kontroller's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:23103 00:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1048 points, T:1299, killed by a gnome lord 00:37 this is so cool (new display) I can finally watch people who are using curses 00:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 163 points, T:879, killed by a jackal 00:40 that was weird.100 turns in and I was prompted if I wanted to break pascifist conduct to hit a jackal. 00:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 334 points, T:1351, killed by a hobbit 00:57 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 984 points, T:1199, killed by life drainage 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:24932 01:04 [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Val Dwa Fem Law), 58560 points, T:10276, burned by molten lava, while moving through the air 01:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 621 points, T:853, killed by a giant bat 01:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 87 points, T:253, killed by a falling rock 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:4 01:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:4, killed by a scroll of genocide 02:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:454, burned by molten lava 02:04 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- Jonathan__ has joined #hardfought 02:28 still on dlvl1. magicbane. let's do this 02:29 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:55 -!- Jonathan__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:4347 03:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:44 are lock picks useful to carry at all times? 04:46 Moult, nearly all the time, yes, unless you also have a non-artifact key or you're a rogue 04:46 Andrio: but why bother? can't i just kick down doors or force chests with my magicbane? 04:46 You can 04:46 I wouldn't risk breaking Magicbane. 04:46 Andrio: oh? i thought magicbane is unbreakable? 04:46 Also there could be a treasure zoo or a shop behind that door. 04:47 And you can also lock doors 04:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 Pretty sure it's not; it's just much less likely to break. 04:47 Andrio: is it important to lock doors? 04:47 If there's something scary chasing you, maybe 04:47 Especially if it doesn't respect Elbereth 04:49 Andrio: aha, thanks :) 04:49 Andrio: is a bugle worth carrying around at all times? 04:50 Or if you want to lock up pets or watchmen in Minetown 04:50 In the early and mid game, probably 04:50 And the Plane of Aie 04:50 Air* 04:50 Andrio: due to its function as a horn substitute? 04:50 Yeah 04:54 Also keys aren't very heavy. 04:54 They weigh less than a scroll. 04:57 is there a good way of judging if a creature is going to be dangerous for me other than experience? 04:57 apart from their special abilities 04:59 @v pony 04:59 Those are scary, yeah 04:59 @?pony 04:59 pony (u) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d6 kick physical, 1d2 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, infravisible 04:59 Mainly because of their speed. 05:00 Andrio: where can i find the bot commands? https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/#bot-commands doesn't show @? 05:01 so i have 31hp, a pony does between 2-8 damage per turn, so he could technically kill me in 4 hits 05:01 @?paper golem 05:01 paper golem (') | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d3 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, vegan 05:01 No idea. 05:01 2-8 damage per move 05:01 seems harmless. can kill me in 10 hits. 05:01 how do i know my speed? 05:01 i've zapped myself with a wand of speed mob 05:01 because it's fast, that could be more than 8 per turn 05:02 Normally you have speed 12 05:02 That increases it to 16 IIRC 05:02 On average. 05:02 If you have speed boots, a potion of speed or the haste self spell, your average speed becomes 20 05:04 ah i see 05:05 Andrio: so i have a speed of 20, and pony has speed of 16. i'm faster than pony? 05:06 Yep. 05:06 Andrio: cool. 05:06 @?jungle boots 05:06 No such monster. 05:06 [?jungle boots 05:06 !?jungle boots 05:07 Hopefully those don't start attacking you. 05:08 Andrio: :) 05:08 @?kobold mummy 05:08 kobold mummy (M) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d4 claw physical | Alignment: -2 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead 05:11 well. surprise. 05:11 Some fries! 05:20 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 05:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:38032 06:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:38544 06:16 -!- Muad has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:34900 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:40077 06:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1133 points, T:1733, killed by an arrow 06:57 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:40933 07:00 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 07:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:41709 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:41855 07:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] rad (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1899 points, T:2534, killed by a baby silver dragon 07:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:44206 07:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44207 08:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:45314 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:45363 08:27 morning 08:28 Hey. 08:28 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 08:31 o/ 08:31 salut 08:31 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 08:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 519 points, T:1979, killed by a gnome lord 08:57 bah...took a short break, came back, continued my way over the water in Juiblex's swamp. Well, into water rather, repeatedly since I had removed my =oL just before I took that break to pick up a potion. Is there any sound reason why there isn't a prompt when trying to move onto lava/into water? 08:58 I guess I should set a MSGTYPE for it before complaining too much though :P 08:59 a PR was opened on the nethack github adding paranoid move such that movement into water and lava would require confirmation if configured 08:59 i think it's still sitting in limbo, though 09:01 <{Demo}1> just write a custom client that connects to the server and doesn't let you move onto then without it asking for confirm 09:02 {Demo}1 that sounds a wee bit extreme :P 09:02 tbh one has to also consider what is cheating and what is just fair augmentation, this is probably a sticky topic depending on who you ask 09:02 <{Demo}1> sometimes u need to take things into ur own hand 09:03 <{Demo}1> parnoid water is definitely a sticky topic 09:03 <{Demo}1> so nothing will be done about it in vanilla 09:03 (Lava is even more sticky) 09:04 (so much so that it's not difficult to drown in it) 09:04 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/257 09:04 copperwater has been very busy opening lots of QoL PRs 09:06 <{Demo}1> I like terrorism like that, good work aosdict 09:06 hah 09:07 overall its good PR's are being submitted. I am not in favor of the paranoid water/lava (no surprise there) but most everything else submitted I have been in favor of 09:07 im sort of torn on almost all QoL for nethack 09:08 <{Demo}1> it's just a matter of assaulting vanilla with modernity 09:08 a lot of its charm comes from allowing the user to do really bad things 09:08 <{Demo}1> and addressing elephants in the room 09:09 hoping Tangles submits html dumplogs PR soon 09:09 its so magical 09:10 Yeah I know vanilla development is very conservative, and I buy that, it's just so damn frustrating. Ah well, using a MSGTYPE will at least save me from jumping into water 10 times before realizing what the hell I'm doing :P 09:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed Fierna, on T:122674 09:15 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a boomerang on an altar, on T:3035 09:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed the invisible Belial, on T:122914 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:46777 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Kni Hlf Mal Law) averted death, on T:122938 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3512 09:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:48 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed very uncursed thoroughly uncursed historic rusted diluted uncursed magic marker named i hope this comes uncursed", on T:35667 10:27 B - a thoroughly burnt marker named i hope this comes uncursed (2 aum) 10:27 but i ordered rusted 10:28 why wouldn't it come uncursed? 10:28 it's evilhack. i don't trust anything 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 938 points, T:3132, killed by a dart 10:32 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:34 Evil Patch Idea: if an item is not bknown, it is described as "uncursed" whether that's true or not. 10:35 :/ 10:36 Probably making the UI outright lie to you is on a whole other level of Evil Patch Ideas 10:39 ask amy 10:40 one of the more charming features of slex 10:41 well, they're called nastytraps for a reason. 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Sam Dwa Mal Law) wished for "historic thoroughly very blessed greased empty very extinguished unlit thoroughly +5 dragonhide cloak of protection named be a shame if something happened to me by t. soprano & associates", on T:35673 10:49 w00t! +5 10:50 Nice :o 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8132 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 17006 points, T:8625, killed by a spotted jelly 11:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:13 hah 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52224 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52225 11:19 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 2206 points, T:4113, killed by a watch captain, while sleeping 11:33 {Demo}1 11:36 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 11:36 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ NetHack 370-hdf has been released - https://redd.it/ediz6j 11:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 11:36 !who 11:36 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [ndnh] rebatela [evil] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:36 !whereis k2 11:36 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [ndnh]: No details available 11:36 <{Demo}1> what did i do 11:36 notdNetHack v2019.12.24 (notdNetHack git 56813cbe), last build 2019-12-27 16:25:29. 11:36 <{Demo}1> oh that's col i like that let me double check that 11:37 !whereis k2 11:37 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [ndnh]: (Ana Elf Fem Cha) T:97 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 11:37 <{Demo}1> ok yes its very epic thank you 11:37 12.24 is up on hdf-us 11:37 sorry took so long 11:37 <{Demo}1> its fine it was already on esm so i got a little playing in and its not like theres much demand anyway 11:37 working on eu and au now 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4998 points, T:5148, killed by a chameleon imitating a balrog 11:53 owie 11:54 <{Demo}1> splinterhack 11:55 <{Demo}1> it's like interhack but it's painful to use 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 65 points, T:133, killed by a bear trap 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:25217 12:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo5 (Mon Sym Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1741 12:08 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:25236 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 503 points, T:1464, killed by a giant bat 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class N, on T:25237 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14055 12:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1416 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2507 points, T:1435, killed by a rothe 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15340 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Tmasher (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1727 points, T:3569, killed by a mumak 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:16534 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54445 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54446 12:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:54578 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 851 points, T:2802, killed by a gnome queen 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:54776 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54781 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54782 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:56359 13:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:25243 13:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Famine, on T:56573 13:25 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) sent Death up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire, on T:56614 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2529198 points, T:56630, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Merlek/nethack/dumplog/1577290470.nh.html 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) murdered Otis, his faithful dog, on T:3219 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:20585 13:41 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:44 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 13:52 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc10a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1806 points, T:1978, killed by a giant spider 14:00 <@IceBox> grats Merlek! 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:22970 14:11 -!- merlek has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:20 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 5586 points, T:8079, killed by a jaguar 14:24 ;_; 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Lugh, on T:3629 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] carr0t (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 9840 points, T:11614, killed by an invisible stalker 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:25478 14:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] carr0t (Kni Hum Mal Law), 193 points, T:674, killed by a riding accident 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading Mort, on T:5099 14:55 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:57 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 15:04 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 15:25 ;_; 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Kni Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:7150 15:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:29 [hdf-us] [dyn] me1 (dragonspeaker) (Con Orc Fem Cha), 633 points, T:1643, killed by a baby amphitere 15:46 should i be using scroll of identify soon early game to see what loot (rings/potions/etc) i've discovered, or is it better practice to just stash and later bless and bulk identify? 15:47 I think it depends. 15:47 it depends, but usually rings and potions could be a lifesaver 15:47 early on 15:47 Some things are more worth identifying early than others. 15:47 Potions are NOT an important thing to identify early. 15:47 and identify scrolls are rather easy to come byt 15:47 by 15:47 The potions that matter most, get identified soonest by monsters using them. 15:47 only scrolls of light are more bountiful IIRC 15:48 i see. i just raided a ring shop, and didn't make note of prices, so i dono't know which i might want to identify 15:48 I never bother to ID potions for their own sake, I just include them in the "hold everything in inventory and read blessed identify" maneouver. 15:48 scroll should be identified early on, because some of them are quite nasty 15:48 destroy armor, scroll of fire 15:48 punishment etc 15:49 Rings can be important. 15:49 true 15:49 The most important scroll to identify, is of course the scroll of identify. 15:49 i'm on hdf-au if anybody wants to watch 15:49 and you can see my inventory there 15:49 but with the price ID now meddled with 15:49 it can be a headace -_- 15:49 Sometimes it's useful to also use prices to find the 60-80zm scrolls (enchant armor, enchant weapon, remove curse), all of which can be very useful. 15:50 But it's NOT worth trying to nail down _all_ the scrolls early. 15:50 destroy armor is in the same price range unfortunately 15:50 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50 Wait, when did that change? 15:50 if anybody's watching, let mek now and i'll show inventory 15:50 3.6.0 methinks 15:51 Wiki still says destroy armor is one of the 100zm scrolls. 15:51 ah 15:51 Of which there are many. 15:51 my mistake :( 15:51 And the only 100zm scrolls that _matter at all_, are easy to identify in other ways. 15:52 Who was this Maud person anyway? 15:52 That's 200zm. 15:53 is a camera useful? 15:53 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Sam Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:37419 15:54 yes you can blind monsters with it 15:55 Manual says that monsters in caverns dont like to be photographed 15:55 so some of them start to flee away as well :) 15:55 nice 15:56 the camera frightens any monster with eyes but it is only one direction 15:56 maybe the mindless ones dont mined 15:56 like jellys etc 15:56 http://tinyimg.io/i/nMGm5VK.png 15:56 ^ anything in there worth using the ?ofId for? 15:57 yes 15:57 the rings 15:57 Moult: i suggest you read the wiki part 15:57 on wand engraving identification 15:57 NAOrsa: the wands i've all engrave-id'ed already 15:57 you don't want to use scrolls of id that aren't blessed unless you really need to 15:58 and try to identify rest for wich you cannot engrave identify? 15:58 ah yes true riddled with bullets! :) 15:58 hothraxxa is right, rings are to go 15:58 i'd go back to the store and get the prices 15:59 just #dip your id scroll to holy water and go 15:59 well i'd try to use a single holy water to make more holy water before i'd bless id scrolls 16:00 mmm ok going back to the store 16:00 dilute the enlightenment and restore ability 16:00 one can #dip regural water potions to holy water to make a stack of them holy? 16:01 yes 16:01 this makes atheist conduct so much easier 16:01 thanks hothraxxa ! *hugs* 16:01 =) 16:01 <@rikersan> it also makes normal non-atheist dudes a lot easier too lol 16:01 <@rikersan> I generally only do one maybe two water prayers per game, just stash a holy water somewhere if you're worried about it getting axed by fire/cold 16:01 less altar praying and crowning LOL 16:02 naorsa: read up on making holy water with confused remove curse 16:02 thnx I will :) 16:03 i'm like rikersan, i stash one cursed and one blessed water as soon as i can 16:03 <@rikersan> mine often go in my cancellation sack, if I have one yet 16:04 in any variant that has $tip, i keep a sack called 9-1-1 that has a scroll of scare monster, a scroll of remove curse, and a holy water 16:04 er 16:04 #tip 16:05 i think i even used it once 16:07 wont the potion have a change of breaking up when #tipped? 16:07 nope 16:07 good to know =) 16:08 [hdf-us] [slex] stay (Ran Gig Mal Cha), 1176 points, T:552, killed by a monster (big bee) 16:10 ok, i've price labeled all the rings. i assume i should try and identify the 300 base cost rings first? perhaps i should find a fountain first to dilute the potions and make a stack? 16:11 proceed :) 16:12 if you can, check them for buc status 16:12 NAOrsa: so a !ofrestore utility is useless and should be diluted? 16:12 safe to wear test uncursed 16:12 hothraxxa: no altar. pet lost somewhere. 16:12 ouch 16:13 in vanilla, restore ability is more valuable diluted to water 16:13 some edge cases where it's helpful but not enough to hang onto it 16:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hlf Mal Cha) was given Kingslayer, on T:38033 16:20 hothraxxa: found pet. all not cursed 16:20 ii've got one "uncursed ?ofId" and 2 "?ofId". can i stack em so that i only use one dip? 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:116 16:22 <@rikersan> moult: not until you identify the scrolls as uncursed, no 16:23 hmm, so should i dip twice or wait? 16:25 <@rikersan> moult: I try to keep a reasonable (3? 4?) bit of holy water on hand late game, to make sure I can uncurse my stuff in an emergency 16:25 <@rikersan> but until then as long as you've got holy water left, it doens't really matter how much you spend 16:30 rld: ok, this is early game, so i'll use all except for one 16:30 like Dlvl:5 early 16:31 <@rikersan> worth noting I'm not RLD I'm riker but yeah 16:31 <@rikersan> rld is the relay bot, connects to discord 16:31 rikersan: yes, sorry 16:31 <@rikersan> wait am I on IRC right now or did you type my name out manually 16:31 rikersan: manually 16:31 <@rikersan> ah ok 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] carr0t (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1682 points, T:2275, killed by a magic missile 16:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Neu), 698 points, T:1609, killed by a crossbow bolt 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 498 points, T:813, burned by molten lava 16:56 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 16:58 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 16:58 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 191 points, T:783, killed by a dwarf 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:32962 17:14 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 17:15 is it worthwhile as an Xp3 weak wizard to wear a ring of gain constitution and ring of increase accuracy at all times, or should i just leave them alone? 17:16 <@rikersan> that seems like a bad idea IMO 17:16 <@rikersan> I value food a good bit early-game 17:17 <@rikersan> not sure how con & extra hp on lvl up work though 17:17 gain consitution is worth it for low level characters imo 17:18 you gain carrying capacity and get more hp when you level up 17:18 worth putting it on when about to level up, if one can remember to keep track of that :) 17:18 if i have low st then i wear it all the time for the extra carrying capacity 17:19 i have a st of 11. i guess that's low? 17:20 i'd wear gc at that str, yes 17:20 that's me. others might not 17:20 thanks for the advice :) 17:20 also depends on your food. if you're close to starving all the time, better to leae it off 17:20 i'm trying to decide which rings to stash 17:21 early game =of free action is relatively useless i assume? 17:21 <@rikersan> I wouldn't stash it personally, but yeah it's not super useful 17:21 <@rikersan> floating eyes though 17:21 pretty nice to have on when you accidentally bump into floating eyes :) 17:21 same 17:22 <@rikersan> I never stash anything that's going to go in my asc kit, roughly speaking 17:22 i wouldn't wear it all the time for that though 17:22 <@rikersan> yeah nutrition hurts 17:22 so what's your rule of thumb of deciding what to stash? 17:22 <@rikersan> it's too heav 17:22 <@rikersan> heavy 17:22 what a ring? 17:22 <@rikersan> no, my rule of thumb 17:23 you have heavy thumbs? 17:23 <@rikersan> I'll stash anything I can't carry right now and don't forsee needing in the future 17:23 <@rikersan> :p 17:23 remind me to stay out of your butcher shop 17:24 <@rikersan> mostly I stash spbks, extra potions of holy water, maybe a tinning kit if I've found one and I have most of my resistances / str I'll need 17:24 moult: my rulse is if i don't know what it is and i'm not on my way somewhere to find out, i stash it 17:24 I stash anything that's not bolted down. 17:25 <@rikersan> I am terrified of cyan b 17:28 bah here I was feeling good for doing a three game streak, only to realize two of those games were 3.6.3 and the last one 3.7.0 so don't really count :P 17:29 keep the streak going on 370 17:30 I'm not that good :D 17:36 was meaning to ask, last game when I got to Baalzebub's lair, it looked weird, don't think I've ever seen it with just "floor of a room" tiles instead of "corridor" tiles for the maze. 17:37 https://imgur.com/a/3JT5Sqw 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3599 17:39 cool 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61722 17:41 @?monkey 17:41 monkey (Y) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 0d0 claw item steal, 1d3 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:61733 17:42 oh6: doing well! 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:61747 17:45 -!- Glasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:46 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 17:47 -!- merlek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47 @?rock mole 17:47 rock mole (r) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, tunnels, metallivore, infravisible 17:47 -!- merlek has joined #hardfought 17:48 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:61936 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:61938 17:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52 does anybody here stream their game on twitch? 17:54 <@rikersan> tone does occasionally I know 17:54 <@rikersan> luxi maybe rarely, not sure though 17:55 rikersan: it would be good to learn from other people's games. and atm anything which isn't hdf-au has lag for me 17:59 Moult have you checked out tone's videos on youtube? loads to watch there. 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:62124 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:62124 18:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered Crimefighter, his faithful little dog, on T:696 18:04 oh this game is of to a great start :P 18:04 <@rikersan> that's a fun name for a rogue's dog 18:06 yeah who would suspect someone of wrongdoing with a dog like that? :D 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:38643 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3806 18:15 sometimes, I spectate people's games on dgamelaunch if they do something interesting 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:62348 18:16 like that 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Death have a nanna's, on T:62374 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:62391 18:17 -!- math has joined #hardfought 18:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 premium heart", on T:43450 18:19 lets see how many worms oh6 makes this time 18:19 oh thats a lot of worms... 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4380908 points, T:62429, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1576916627.nh.html 18:20 congrats oh6 18:20 \o/ 18:20 haha grats oh6, and the worms 18:20 worms filled that high temple room 18:20 congrats oh6 18:21 Moult: tone did a playthrough on Twitch. 18:21 nice livelogs, yes 18:22 [18:16] <+Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:62348 18:22 ^ love that one 18:22 thanks k2, bug_sniper_, merlek! 18:22 because you know... its Death. you cant kill death :) 18:23 <{Demo}1> death can 18:23 nope 18:23 <{Demo}1> death can kill anything 18:23 except itself 18:23 <{Demo}1> death is already dead 18:23 hence it cant kill itself 18:23 <{Demo}1> cause it killed itself by being death 18:23 <{Demo}1> no it already did 18:23 nerp 18:23 <{Demo}1> thats why its death and why its dead 18:23 i call fake news 18:24 <{Demo}1> ask death then :P 18:24 well alrighty then 18:24 death just happens to be my next door neighbor. brb 18:24 as a god self-slain on his own strange altar / death lies dead 18:24 napping 18:25 resting his eyelids 18:25 <@rikersan> oh6: swinburne? always liked his poems 18:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed Pale Night, on T:125722 18:25