00:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 79 points, T:276, killed by a fox 00:00 ... well, I dunno how big tomenet's are. 00:00 <@luxidream> tome is a band 00:00 <@luxidream> so about the same size..? 00:00 Sure, but quiiite a distant derivative 00:01 <@luxidream> Crawl multiplayer when? Most people are only pressing tab anyway /s 00:02 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/e6ucn4/playing_as_lerny_need_advice/ 00:03 <@luxidream> I would think autolosing to monsters with the phantom mirror ability or a wand of scattershot would be a bigger problem 00:04 <@luxidream> Honestly the meta is just to play grinder and camp out with a couple of adders on D:2 00:15 gnite all 00:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1155 points, T:2190, killed by a hobgoblin 00:49 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 01:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) had Pridwen bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:3595 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12319 01:24 -!- pots163 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 01:25 -!- post163 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13147 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:13147 01:38 <@ScienceBall> !who 01:38 @ScienceBall: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] malor6 [dnh] telegarn [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) killed Glasya, on T:56118 01:39 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:13410 01:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) averted death, on T:56189 01:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15114 02:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) had Seafoam bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:22906 02:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25959 02:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:28598 02:26 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:20347 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20351 02:42 sad 02:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Johnny, on T:35705 02:45 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:45 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:37253 03:00 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 03:02 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:39702 03:09 good one K2 03:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) killed Drauglir, on T:41337 03:10 Actually it was a hobbit rogue with a wand of striking. My only defence was a wand of polymorph. 03:10 killed by Gregor Samsa 03:10 ah, RIP Tangles 03:11 How are the centipedes going? 03:11 Yeah I'm bummed about the earlier splat. That convict was 32k in, which actually counts as a start. 03:12 in evil and for Tangles that is like 80% 03:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) killed the Ancient Brain, on T:42134 03:14 80% of not very much, unfortunately :/ 03:15 It's just so hard to start again after all that. At least K2 gave convicts a good buff - their starting weapon is now rustproof! Watch out acid blobs! 03:15 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:18 -!- TheGame20 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) killed Dal Zethire, on T:44887 03:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44889 03:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:38 omg so our message storm to AntiGulp actually killed the bot... meaning that probably a dozen or more messages didn't get delivered 03:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) made their first wish - "holy greased spellbook of polymorph", on T:48826 03:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) polymorphed their first object, on T:49091 03:52 @luxidream: do you also have the problem that etherpad keeps forgetting your author color and it's pretty damn impossible to get the exact same color again with that inexact color circle picker thing? 03:53 <@luxidream> nope 03:53 <@luxidream> it seems to remember me 03:53 ah, lucky you 03:53 since I connect from several (at least 3) different PCs, I keep having to set it again and there is no way to simply enter the RGB value of my desired color :( 03:54 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) performed their first genocide (class h), on T:49844 03:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) genocided class L, on T:49930 03:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law) genocided class V, on T:49930 03:58 wow you had about 40 tell messages for her... I only had 2 04:02 <@luxidream> she fixed those already 04:02 the two I !tell-ed? even though the tells maybe didn't come through? 04:04 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Inf Nbn Law), 372138 points, T:51148, murdered by Ms. One-Eyed Sam; the shopkeeper 04:04 <@luxidream> oops 04:05 <@luxidream> apparently my road roller za warudo combo wasn't strong enough 04:05 <@ScienceBall> !lastgame Luxidream 04:05 @ScienceBall: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/splicehack/dumplog/1576130240.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 04:06 <@luxidream> oh I didn't have life saving on 04:06 <@luxidream> that was dumb lol 04:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 05:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:24 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 05:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 05:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:40 ais523: hi! a player of slex has theoretized that it would be possible to get an arbitrarily high amount of max HP and Pw by continuously polymorphing into a "new man"; would you say that this is feasible? 05:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41 LarienTelrunya: it's been done in 3.4.3 05:41 no idea whether it still works in slex 05:41 I think 3.6.0 had a fix for that trick? 05:41 the 3.4.3 method, is that the one that involves several amulets of life saving (we assume that the player in question isn't using luck manipulation)? 05:41 it's quite complex to set up, though, you need either tasbot levels of luck or a huge number of amulets of life saving (+ some luck) 05:42 ah, yeah that's what I thought as well 05:42 so yes (messages crossed) 05:42 (the reason the amulet helps is that you can set things up so that the unlucky outcomes would just kill the character, then the "oLS negates them altogether, meaning only the good outcomes do anything) 05:42 this particular player says that he thinks it's possible to pull it off without either of the two by simply "getting lucky" that the amount of +hp from becoming a higher-level version of yourself will eventually be higher than the amount lost from losing levels 05:43 or alternately, his theory involves being about XL3-5 and leveling up from killing monsters when he gets drained below 3 05:43 but I don't think you're going to see much of a net gain in max HP that way, or am I missing something? 05:43 under 3.4.3 mechanics, that latter plan is terrible 05:44 it'll lead to a net /loss/ in max HP whenever your max HP is already above average 05:44 ah, yeah that's also what I thought 05:44 after all, when the newman effect reduces your level, the loss is proportional to your current max (lose 10% per level lost I think?) 05:44 under 3.4.3, the former plan works, except that you need the newman effect to increase your level more than half the time 05:45 yes, but he'd need luck manipulation for that 05:45 also eventually you'd reach XL30 and then you can't even get the HP-increasing effect anymore unless you drain yourself first! 05:45 and it's hard to see how you'd do that without luck manipulation or the amulets of life saving (you do it from level 1, then the amulet cancels any situation in which you'd lose levels) 05:46 yeah, and even that would be less effective in slex because newmaning from 1 to, say, 3, no longer doubles your max HP if it's above average; instead, it only adds d12 to the max 05:46 drain for gain is fixed in 3.6.x 05:46 oh and that new man thing too 05:47 1 to 3 triples it in vanilla 05:47 LarienTelrunya: the basic thing you have to do is to make all the gain/loss methods balance 05:47 alright so I'll show him this conversation, maybe it will convince him that repeatedly trying to newman in slex won't have the result he desires ;) (if he insists on trying it out with a real character, his loss) 05:47 any inconsistency can lead to a loop that indefinitely gains or indefinitely loses maxhp/maxpw 05:47 so if you also reduced the loss on newmanning down, then that might potentially lead to the "reverse loop" becoming broken 05:48 ais523: yeah; I've looked over the code several times and I don't see any method to ensure a net gain over time 05:48 I don't think I've reduced the loss when you newman down, specifically because I want to ensure there is no net gain :D 05:50 somehow I'm not surprised that slex uses the "some loops indefinitely reduce your maxhp/maxpw" solution 05:52 heh, by the same logic I also made it so that if you lose an experience level (from e.g. vampire's level drain attack), you lose more max HP/Pw on average than you got when you gained that same level ;) 05:52 otherwise, a player could just wear +10 rings of gain constitution/wisdom when leveling up, and take them off to drain themselves 05:52 rinse and repeat until you have a whole lot of max HP and Pw 05:53 in fact, would that still work in 3.6? 05:53 that trick also works in 3.4.3 05:53 IIRC it was known by the devteam at the time of 3.6, I wasn't on the devteam at the time though so I'm not sure what happened in response 05:53 jonadab probably knows, he likes to track things like that 05:53 hmm... or maybe I should make it so that con/wis bonuses just do nothing when you regain a level that you previously lost :P 05:54 (but still result in a higher drain when you lose a level, of course) 05:55 the reasonable solution is to make all losses proportional to the proportion of your level you lost, and all gains based on the level-up formula 05:55 so if you lose half your levels, your maxHP and curHP halve 05:55 that lets you drain and regain levels to apply your +10 =oCon retroactively to your existing levels, but there's no way to loop it 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1796 points, T:3091, killed by a spotted jelly 05:59 well I fear that would make random level drain (i.e. nonintentional ones, when the vampire gets lucky to slip past your MC3 or someone spawns with a wand of draining) too harsh 06:03 <@luxidream> Doesn’t work in 3.6 06:03 <@luxidream> When you lose levels you lose the same amount as you gained 06:03 <@luxidream> in hp 06:04 yep 06:04 does it actually save the amount you gained in some variable, and then deducts that when you lose the level? 06:04 <@luxidream> Yeah 06:06 lol. yeah, vanilla 3.4.3 and 3.6 still has the vampire biting cockatrice bug :-) 06:06 <@luxidream> I think it’s a better solution than “lose half levels, lose half HP” because this way you don’t lose any extra hp 06:06 <@luxidream> from healing potions etc 06:06 <@luxidream> but it can’t be exploited like 3.4.3 06:07 <@luxidream> It is helpful in a way if you are doing drain for gain for protection, since you will never kill yourself 06:07 bhaak: vanilla 3.4.3 and 3.6 also still has the "doing certain things on the quest can make the game unwinnable" bug :P 06:08 @luxidream: YANI/EPI: the cost for buying protection depends on the maximum level you've ever had with that char, in case your current level is somehow lower than that. 06:08 * LarienTelrunya puts on the "if you want to fix drain for gain, fix it completely or not at all" gaze :P 06:09 <@luxidream> No one abuses drain for gain for protection for some reason 06:09 <@luxidream> I think it’s strong enough to be standard strategy though 06:09 maybe because money is abundant later on? 06:10 <@luxidream> Maybe it’s just not featured prominently enough on the wiki 06:10 and also money weighs way too much, meaning that if the protection prices are higher you have a better chance of getting rid of it so you can carry more, other, items :D 06:10 <@luxidream> It’s quite easy to get 9 points after sokoban, or even before if you have stormbringer 06:12 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:15 @luxidream I do. 06:16 Or the drain life spell. 06:16 <@luxidream> The drain life spell is a bit more difficult because losing levels also decreases pw 06:19 Yeah 06:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 106 points, T:856, killed by a bolt of cold 06:40 bhaak: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Introduction#UnNetHack - why is Marduk always the creator if the player is a convict? 06:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:49 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 LarienTelrunya, because he is always? 06:50 Andrio: in unnethack there are a multitude of possible creators 06:53 oh? 06:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Marduk#UnNetHack 06:54 this was significant enough to be changed because of cookie reasons :P (in slex, those other god names are used for random pantheons that e.g. a priest player character can have) 06:58 LarienTelrunya: it doesn't anymore. that has been fixed 06:58 ah so the wiki article should probably be changed? 06:59 yes. I'll remove that sentence 06:59 haha I was faster :D 06:59 yes 06:59 :-p 07:30 stennowork: for something else to complain about in vanilla - the continued existence of unwinnability via quest revocation? 07:30 its a bit unfortunate but i am fine with that 07:31 idk what to think about it 07:31 its quite obviously the players fault 07:31 bhaak: I think enough variants have rallied behind killing the quest leader (and no kickout/sealoff of quest portal) to make that another unnethack feature to bring in 07:31 stennowork: yeah but since 3.6.1 you can attack a peaceful gnome or something and ruin your game that way if the leader saw it 07:32 stennowork: IMHO if you nick a peaceful centaur and Orion decides THAT to be the reason for your game to be unwinnable, something is very clearly wrong... 07:32 stennowork: also, stormbringer typos 07:32 well stormbringer itself is another strange thing 07:32 xnethack doesn't have killing your quest leader to access the quest, but that's mainly because I haven't gotten around to it 07:32 ais changed bloodthirstiness in acehack (and i assume in nh4 too) 07:32 also "cleaver"... "lol I the whatever-the-barbarian-peaceful-quest-guardian-is-called were so l33t to stand next to the monster you wanted to attack! now pelias will ban you harharharharhar!" 07:33 he saw it as just another metagame screw thing like floating eyes and amnesia 07:33 <@Tone> I agree with that 07:34 The question is: is Cleaver more dangerous than Stormbringer? 07:34 then his solution would be that the player needs to reopen the portal on his own somehow? 07:34 The answer, if you're on the quest home level, is probably yes, and it's much easier to find 07:35 oh and also the XL14 barrier (and the alignment record barrier that requires you to wait 2000 turns if you're speedrunning), is that yet another "Izchak made it so it has to stay no matter what" thing? what does the game gain from having such arbitrary barriers? 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:22248 07:36 there is no such barrier for any other part of the game, you could go to Rodney's tower or Vlad and attempt to kill them at XL1 and way before the 2000 turn mark, and ais523 could demonstrate that it's even possible to win those encounters at XL1 :P 07:37 similarly you could win the quest nemesis battle (by using a wand of death) at XL1, but nooooo... have to grind your way up to XL14 first for cookie reasons 07:39 I'm not sure if this has been discussed before 07:39 the quest leader thing got mentioned a few times but I can't remember if anybody was opposed in principle about changing that 07:41 I like UnNetHack lowering it to 10 07:41 the thing is, the ability to actually deal with the quest depends more on equipment and things like magic resistance than your level, past the point where you have enough hit points to get through 07:41 btw, historically the XL14 barrier was less arbitrary than it seems now. that got added when XL14 was the max level 07:42 ah, good to know. 07:42 I'd probably actually play a "vanilla" nh 3.6 game if all that quest weirdness were fixed (i.e. can enter whenever I want without having to do tedious grinding first and can't have my game rendered unwinnable for petty reasons), just to see what it would be like 07:42 hah interesting 07:42 We've used gain level potions and the Valley of the Dead wraiths quite a lot to get to level 14. 07:42 but I guess I could also just compile 3.6 myself with my desired fixes in place :P 07:42 so, Slex 07:42 yeah i am usually xl12 at the castle, and then a few wraith corpses drop in the votd 07:43 i assume slex is based on slash'em which is actually based on 3.1 or so 07:43 Usually we have about a dozen teleportation scrolls by then which we can curse. 07:43 If not an artifact that can do it. 07:43 Andrio: nah, slex is a different variant :P I meant "vanilla 3.6 but with the specific fixes to the quest that I also have in slex and dnhslex" 07:43 everything else would stay the same as it is in vanilla 07:43 mm 07:44 and then I'd play a healer and die horribly without even making it to the quest :D 07:45 but if I do that at all, I'll do it later because now I have to leave for home; later guys! 07:45 👋🏻 07:45 ~~because you didn't spam your spells enough?~~ 07:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45 laters 07:46 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51 heh 07:51 Lucky me? 07:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:55 \o/ 07:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 27040 points, T:8760, killed by invisible Mr. Yawolloh, the shopkeeper 07:58 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 434 points, T:736, killed by a giant rat 08:04 K2: This is a broadsword. Did you change that, or is it that way in splice as well? 08:05 i changed it 08:05 made more sense 08:06 in other variants its a short sword and convicts can only train short sword to basic 08:07 that's kinda fucked up 08:07 Yeah 08:07 haha 08:07 you can train broadsword to expert in evilhack 08:07 Ah good. 08:07 That's the info I was looking for :) 08:07 :P 08:10 Thanks K2. I could not find any mention of broadsword at all on the convict page of the wiki, but I had a feeling you might have changed it. 08:11 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Convict#Weapons 08:11 ok I'm starting to run into weight issues. Need to get rid of the ball. If only I could rust it :P 08:11 heheh 08:11 i noticed you ran into a giant cockroach fairly early on 08:12 you made it to mines end that quickly? 08:12 Yeah I made that. 08:12 I polymorphed a hobbit rogue. 08:12 oooh 08:12 cool 08:12 because he had a wand of striking, and I could not get away. 08:12 those wont spawn randomly, why i asked 08:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:13 Hmm so monsters that don't spawn randomly can still occur from polymorph? That's different rules to objects. 08:13 yeah... its not M2_NOPOLY 08:14 ah yeah ok. 08:14 I've had pet chameleons turn into woodchucks, yeah. 08:17 isnt that the current problem in splicehack 08:17 that some uniq monsters lost their nopoly flags 08:17 i believe AntiGulp fixed that last night 08:18 and the servers are up to date with latest splicehack bits 08:19 pacifist convict? :P 08:19 bwahaha 08:19 nice 08:20 I'm practicing with the new broadsword :) 08:20 luckily breaking weaponless doesn't break pacifist 08:20 I've been bashing stuff with the nice shiny rustproof ball until now, but that doesn't count as a weapon :) 08:22 You hear someone searching. You are beginning to feel weak. You stop searching. 08:22 lol 08:22 omg 08:22 oh it doesnt? 08:23 oooh shit hah 08:23 pacifist convict but whacks everything with the iron ball 08:23 well 08:23 not pacifist 08:23 as long as you don't _kill_ the monster 08:23 but weaponless 08:23 right 08:23 got that mixed up 08:23 hmm 08:23 c corpse isn't a weapon either :3 08:24 This food really hits the spot! Your movements are slowed slightly because of your load. You finish eating the food ration. Your movements are now unencumbered. <-- what's going on there? 08:24 the iron ball should count as a weapon for convicts... they can train it up 08:25 Yeah... but it's not a weapon because you can't enchant it. 08:25 hmm 08:25 Tangles, strength loss due to hunger? 08:25 I think that's the distinction (why unicorn horns and pickaxes count) 08:25 and i dunno why you got that chain of messages when eating 08:25 It's actually anything with an associated skill 08:25 did you become weak while eating? 08:26 stennowork: No, because I would have got burdened when I was weak. This did not happen until I started eating. 08:26 So IIRC grappling hooks also count as weapon-tools 08:26 there is this small section of weapon-tools that is relevant. anything else is not a weapon 08:26 -!- hdf-guest-59 has joined #hardfought 08:26 +7 heavy iron ball of 'wtf did I waste a scroll of enchant weapon on this thing!?' 08:26 for example tin opener is not a weapon-tool nor a weapon 08:26 And yet tourists can start the game wielding one. 08:27 indeed 08:27 for whatever reason 08:27 Andrio: YEah I've seen that. 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] kitty (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:6902 08:27 its hardcoded like that i think 08:28 oh yeah i added that info to the wiki article a year ago 08:28 nethack has a few special cases regarding tin openers for no apparent reason 08:32 Andrio: if it's based on skill, then the iron ball should definitely count for convicts, because it uses the flail skill. In fact, it gets referred to as a flail in a couple of places (enlightenment, dropping due to eating greasy food, possibly others) those should probably be fixed. 08:33 Hm 08:33 That is how it works in vanilla. 08:34 Well, it also has to be a tool, which the iron ball is not. 08:36 Yeah it just hangs out in its own category. Makes it hard to polymorph. 08:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1498 08:38 -!- hdf-guest-9 has joined #hardfought 08:44 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:57699 08:48 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:50 i'm thinking about making the heavy iron ball count as a weapon if role is convict, for conduct purposes 08:50 whatcha think? 08:51 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 08:51 I don't think it matters a great deal. 08:51 OMG i wont be able to sleep until we figure this out! 08:51 :P 08:52 new monster: 'drama llama' 08:57 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 2040 points, T:1100, killed by a force bolt 09:02 Yep 09:02 Ouch 09:03 cronch 09:03 stupid gnomish wizard with an inexhaustible supply of magic energy kept stunning me. 09:03 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 09:04 then I wandered into the middle of a crowd (because that's where trying to hit the fucking wizard took me), and tried to escape by jumping down a hole. crunch. 09:05 oh well... start again. 09:05 again. 09:06 Just me, the shirt, the shiny ball & chain, a few rocks, and Nicodemus the Useless ;) 09:06 ooh nicodemus 09:07 the greatest wizard of mortheim 09:08 hmm that reminds me 09:08 FIQ you around? 09:08 * K2 casts 'summon FIQ' spell 09:08 33% chance it appears hostile and grumpy 09:09 and begins to attack immediately? 09:09 verbally berates you for 6d6 damage 09:10 special attack: sends a 'strongly worded letter' to your immediate supervisor, save vs death magic 09:10 lol 09:10 :) 09:17 hi 09:17 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 09:18 K2: ? 09:18 haha it worked! 09:18 \o/ 09:18 I've been doing pokemon romhacking so I haven't been active here 09:18 but I still respond to highlighting 09:18 *pokémon 09:19 been refactoring pokémon crystal's switch-out code 09:19 it has like 09:19 FIQ didnt you tell me at one point that spellcasting monsters in evilhack dont have a timer for their stone to flesh spell? 09:19 9 copies 09:19 of the same code 09:19 it really doesn't need that many 09:19 K2: I did, yes. Why? 09:19 I looked at the code 09:19 There was no such thing 09:19 ok 09:19 simple fix or will this get involved? 09:20 -!- hdf-guest-59 is now known as post163 09:20 Should be simple 09:20 Just look at mspec_used 09:20 k 09:20 If it's nonzero, disallow it 09:20 thanks 09:20 or if you want to simulate a pw cap, some number more than N 09:20 so read-testing scrolls as a convict, you might get remove curse, enchant armor, destroy armor (all good), or... punishment! I wonder if the ball does mre damage now. 09:21 yes it does 09:21 it's also heavier 09:21 every pip of weight increase gives +4 to dice size 09:21 1d25 base 09:21 so it should do 1d29 now 09:22 Nice. I still don't have anything else worth carrying anyway :) 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:32522 09:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59433 09:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 2735 points, T:1729, killed by an invisible dwarf 09:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:59627 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 200 points, T:459, killed by a boulder 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:3406 09:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:59669 10:01 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 674 points, T:1637, killed by a gnomish wererat, while asleep 10:04 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:18 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4380 10:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 968 points, T:1517, killed by a gnome 10:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 46 points, T:9, killed by a falling rock 10:29 <@rikersan> fascinating 10:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Death-Spear of Vhaerun, on T:4254 10:36 <@rikersan> fuck 10:36 <@rikersan> I just undid that instantly, whoops 10:36 <@rikersan> goddamnit 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 881 points, T:1136, killed by a giant bat 10:37 wait does dnethack officially have an undo command now? 10:37 <@rikersan> nope 10:37 <@rikersan> I added that arti to the game 10:37 <@rikersan> and it's so broken it's not even funny 10:37 <@rikersan> like, I do'nt know what i was thinking 10:37 <@rikersan> but among other things you can segfault by invoking onto an empty square 10:37 omg hax! 10:38 <@rikersan> yeah I did that IMMEDIATELY because I was curious whether it was that same bug 10:38 <@rikersan> which I would probably abuse the shit out of 10:38 <@rikersan> but then I forgot to save before lmao 10:38 something tells me that there is something very terribly wrong if a variant has a) a known segfault that is b) reproducible and c) is being used by players to basically luck manipulate all the bad things away 10:38 <@rikersan> did you not see demo's oopsax run 10:39 <@rikersan> orcish barb with 2d254 moon axes, two-weaponed 10:39 yeah, but that it still hasn't been fixed since??? 10:39 <@rikersan> I thouhgt it had it probably has on dev 10:39 <@rikersan> he was abusing a different segfault too for throne wishe 10:39 <@rikersan> it's some kinda menu one 10:39 <@rikersan> mine is just my shitty coding :( 10:39 <@malor> wow, this is the third time the mysterious force has returned me all the way OUT OF the circle-levels. 10:39 such a critical bug would be of the "drop everything, fix IMMEDIATELY, push push push the fixing commits" kind if it were in slex, for me 10:39 <@rikersan> malor: oof, that sucks 10:40 <@rikersan> larien: it's only obtainable via one role/race combo so eh 10:40 <@rikersan> first gift for hedrow nob 10:40 <@malor> thank goodness it isn't a demon/devil leve 10:40 <@rikersan> lawfuls tend to have that 10:40 @rikersan: doesn't change the fact that it's a critical bug :P reproducible segfaults are also a security issue 10:40 <@malor> I didn't realize it could send me out of the "force zone" though 10:41 <@malor> made it out finally! 10:41 <@rikersan> congrats lol 10:41 <{Demo}> does slex have autorecover? 10:41 the mysterious force is such a well-designed feature! 10:41 <{Demo}> oh yeah it does 10:42 {Demo}: well I guess the presence of autorecover means that such exploits can be abused... but if brought to my attention, I'd then devise a fix very quickly :P 10:42 and if you were to start abusing it on esm, I could then also lock the game (i.e. render new games unable to be started and kill running processes) until I get the bug fixed 10:43 <{Demo}> you should go on vacation and unplug and relax for a while :P 10:44 heh, I know how eager you and Porkman are to use exploits :D 10:45 also it'll be 9 more days until I have vacation at last 10:46 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49 <{Demo}> yeah but ur idea of a vacation is just working on slex :P 10:49 i will have 3 weeks of vacation starting tomorrow 10:49 shit will be cash 10:55 \o/ 10:56 take meeeeee 10:57 i'd like to but i rather take attie instead :P 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed saddle", on T:36097 10:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) was given Gaia's Fate, on T:5726 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 82495 points, T:18074, quit 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 184 points, T:728, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:14 stennowork: So are you planning to sleep in, or Do Things? 11:15 we will visit munich for a day but don't have anything planned otherwise 11:15 so more like sleep in :D 11:15 i would like to see the alps at some point, maybe that will be possible when i am in vienna 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 586 points, T:1225, killed by a dwarf 11:15 and for the first time in 3 years i will celebrate christmas with the family again 11:16 so that will be a thing 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:36561 11:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:62699 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 17836 points, T:12359, killed by a mumak 11:25 stennowork: When I was a kid, every time my dad got some vacation days he wanted to load the family into the car and go somewhere a couple of states away. 11:25 My mom wanted to sleep in. 11:25 They used to drive each other crazy. 11:25 oof 11:26 i guess she would still be able to sleep in in another state? :) 11:26 Actually, they still drive each other crazy, but not over THAT. 11:26 Since they're both retired now :-) 11:26 Theoretically, you can sleep in in another state, but not if dad wants to "get on the road by seven" every day. 11:26 i like to travel but we have to prepare for a longer time if we want to make a big journey 11:26 oh ouch 11:26 like a road trip? 11:26 that doesn't sound pleasant 11:27 It had its positive moments. 11:27 Personally, I like to take that kind of trip about once every ten years. 11:27 Not _every_ time I get vacation time. 11:27 Just sometimes. 11:28 You do make great memories on a trip like that. 11:28 See all kinds of cool stuff. 11:28 i guess 11:28 But it's too exhausting to do every time, IMO. 11:30 The last time I went on a trip like that, I took my sister and we drove up through Michigan, went to Mackinac Island (tourist trap my sister always wanted to go to, because when she was a kid she knew some other kids who went...), then Sault Ste. Marie, Manitoulin Island, the Bruce Penninsula, Toronto Area, saw a play at Stratford, and drove home past Niagara Falls. Pretty neat trip. 11:30 Saw all five great lakes on that trip. 11:31 Got to ride on boats on Lake Huron twice. Once to Mackinac Island, and then the ferry from South Baymouth to Tobermory. 11:32 The latter is highly recommended if you're ever in that area. 11:32 lake huron is one of the great lakes, right? 11:32 Yes. 11:32 idk if i want to travel to the uS 11:32 My advice is, if you ever do travel in the US, make a point of getting out into the middle of the country, away from the coastal areas Europeans always go to (New York, Florida, California). 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 395 points, T:1498, killed by an iguana 11:34 i'd like to visit some nice nature 11:34 so yellowstone, or in the north 11:34 british columbia 11:34 Southern Canada is fantastic for that. Michigan also. 11:35 yes 11:35 but eh 11:35 new zealand first 11:35 and then we will see for something 11:36 Not going to argue with New Zealand. It's basically Middle Earth. 11:36 its actually middle earth, yeah 11:37 Though parts of Appalachia are a lot like that too. 11:37 Rural Pennsylvania, parts of Virginia, etc. 11:41 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: quit] 11:44 yellowstone is nice 11:44 we went a lil over a year ago 11:44 going back with the kiddo next summer 11:44 stennowork you should go see yellowstone before it blows up 9again) 11:44 ( 11:45 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:45 you and attie 11:45 not this year 11:45 (or highly unlikely) 11:45 this year is only like 3 more weeks and they're all spoken for 11:46 er next year 11:48 well yeah not THIS year 11:49 there's no time to plan or book anything :P 11:49 I've taken vacations on shorter notice 11:49 you'll wanna stay at the old faithful inn - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Faithful_Inn 11:49 we stayed there... place is huge 11:49 was built from the trees surrounding the lodge over 100 yrs ago 11:49 looks expensive :D 11:49 and worth every penny 11:50 once I went on a road trip to sweden with 5 minute notice 11:50 thats awesome 11:50 once or twice i've gotten shit faced drunk, passed out and woke up in another state. does that count as short notice vacation? 11:50 but that didn't cost anything since it was just joining a trip someone else had already booked 11:51 a trip like yellowstone, kinda hard to do short notice 11:52 yeah 11:52 you *want* to plan that one out 11:52 guess one also needs a visum 11:52 I'm gonna say questionable decisions taken while impaired don't count 11:52 in some form or another 11:52 the best parts are watching people try to go right up to the bison to pet them 11:52 US visas take 24h notice for us, stenno 11:52 oh 11:53 we saw more than a few people try to take close up pictures or selfies with bison 11:53 not sure if that's 24h before the flight takes off or before it lands 11:53 i was like 'oh wow i'm about to watch someone die' 11:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:54 i also yelled at a chinese national who was throwing lit cigerette butts on the ground 11:55 ahhhh the memories 11:55 when i get home tonight i should pull up some of our yellowstone trip pics and share 11:56 <{Demo}> did u cook any good dumplings in any geysers? 11:56 <@malor> K2 - just crashed with "malor6" account on astral plane. 11:56 <@malor> please restore 🙂 11:56 oh yeah all the time... thats how everyone cooks their food at yellowstone 11:57 @malor ok 11:57 game recovered 11:58 <@malor> thanks 11:58 <@malor> crashed in exact same sequence. I removed my "shield" then the next key crashed me. 11:59 it crashed again? 11:59 <@malor> yes, exactly the same technical spot. 11:59 recovered - dont take off your shield 11:59 <{Demo}> is this dnh? 11:59 <@malor> yes. 11:59 yup 11:59 <{Demo}> why cant malor recover himself? 11:59 <{Demo}> also, what shield? 11:59 no idea 12:00 <@malor> had white dragon shield during water level. Attempting to switch back to blue dragon one 12:00 other players have self recovered in the past 12:00 <{Demo}> can we get a backtrace? 12:00 maybe 12:00 lemme look 12:00 nope 12:00 <{Demo}> damn 12:02 <{Demo}> i figure something is assuming uarms that shouldnt be 12:02 @malor do it again maybe we can generate one 12:02 <@malor> now everyone (including me) is hoping I crash for the educational value 🙂 12:03 <@malor> did crash! 12:03 <{Demo}> i remember there was a crash bug related to uarms but it was fixed so this must be something new 12:03 there we go 12:03 game is recovered but dont load it just yet 12:04 <@malor> sure 12:04 <{Demo}> hmm this probably affects ndnh 12:04 https://termbin.com/34lt 12:05 <{Demo}> wow 12:06 <{Demo}> did a monsters inventory get corrupted or something? does the shield have anything to do with it? 12:07 @malor if you want to load the game again go for it, just dont do the thing with the stuff 12:07 <@malor> so am i saddled with the other shield then? 12:08 <@rikersan> are you on astral? 12:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:08 <@malor> I have a project to handle right now, so I won't be looking at it for a bit unless you want me to test for you. 12:08 <@malor> yes, just arrived on astral and I was all excited by my master plan of having a white dragon shield during the water level 🙂 12:08 <@malor> now it just nerfs me slightly 🙂 12:08 <@malor> probably won't break the game up, but a slight nerf 🙂 12:08 <{Demo}> have you tried proceeding without swapping shields? 12:08 <{Demo}> and did it work? 12:09 <{Demo}> or does the shield have nothing to do with the crash? 12:09 fyi i have to leave in about 3 min 12:09 <@malor> I haven't. 3 times did, remove next key CRASH. 12:09 <{Demo}> i have to leave as well 12:09 will be out for a couple hrs 12:09 <{Demo}> same 12:09 <{Demo}> i mpretty sure it wil lcrash regardless 12:09 <@malor> I'll wait to do stuff for a couple hours 🙂 12:09 :) 12:09 <{Demo}> a monster has a corrupt inventoiry 12:09 <{Demo}> I THINK 12:09 <{Demo}> or it could be a corrupt monster 12:09 <{Demo}> which would result in a monster with a coirrupt invent 12:09 <{Demo}> adios 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10708 points, T:8807, petrified by a chickatrice 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:33895 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] carr0t (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:69771 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3481 12:45 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 12:51 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1504 points, T:2387, killed by a wand 13:17 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 13:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:23 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 13:35 hi 13:35 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 13:35 * K2 pets Beholder 13:40 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 13:40 !PoM 13:40 APic: The moon is full for 1 more day. 13:42 K2 - Cancellation is marvelous for dragons 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed Twoflower, on T:33827 13:43 and also I noticed an amulet of magic resistance, first time seeing that. kinda cool 13:44 :) 13:44 thats been in since 0.4.0 13:45 I'm going to have to train up matter 13:45 I have polymorph and cancellation 13:45 looks like I'll be knocking on every door 13:46 ah and I ran into my first beholder 13:46 I had to poly that sucker 13:46 he was too freaking intense 13:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:52 !who 13:52 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nh363] Lachtain [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] luxor [slshm] dragonspeaker [dnh] Everdying [evil] AntiVirus [evil] bbola [nh4] squash12 [nh343] | [hdf-eu] wvc [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death, on T:23031 13:55 :@ 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 189309 points, T:33912, drowned in a moat 13:56 <{Demo}> so if my theory is right there's a chance malors save is fucked, if it is, it could be interesting to try to fix it 13:58 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 14:02 how to query monster stats? 14:03 @v?hill orc 14:03 hill orc (o) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical | Alignment: -4 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 14:03 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Pinobot 14:03 but a lot of the data for variants is old i think 14:06 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4153 points, T:5264, killed by an orc-captain 14:21 @v?beholder 14:21 No such monster. 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 171 points, T:815, killed by a small mimic 14:29 -!- APic has quit [Quit: Boot tut gut™.] 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35390 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 230 points, T:868, killed by a gnome lord 14:38 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:53914 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36089 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 278 points, T:728, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 15:02 <@malor> Demo / K2 - should I try to play it again, what do you think? I leave in a few minutes for a hair cut anyway. (malor6 is the account just to refresh memories) 15:05 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:06 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 15:12 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:15 <@malor> K2 - I played again and as demo predicted it crashes basically instantly. In 2 moves again even though I did different things. If you can restore from an older save file I would appreciate it. Thanks! 15:15 <@malor> malor6 15:16 ugh 15:16 that sucks 15:16 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 5556 points, T:4161, quit 15:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:17 @malor when did you start thisgame? 15:18 <@malor> In october 🙂 15:18 hah 15:18 ok lemme rephrase 15:19 when was the last time you played before loading it up today and crashing? 15:19 <@malor> I played yesterday. I also played today 2 or 3 times with a "save" in between. 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3625 points, T:3812, quit 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:37351 15:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 74047 points, T:21759, killed by a wallaroo 15:34 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 3317 points, T:2151, killed by a soldier ant 15:34 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 15:36 @malor ok 15:36 sorry I am back n fortha lot today 15:36 <@malor> no problem here. You are literally offering great support for a product that costs you money 🙂 15:36 thanks :) 15:38 <@malor> I am out to my hair cut now. 15:38 ooh 15:38 was gonna say ok fire it up 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 143 points, T:605, killed by a boulder 15:43 @malor when you get back, give it a go. imported the backup save from yesterday 15:44 <@malor> Thanks 15:45 !tell Chris_ANG crash bug with dnh - https://termbin.com/34lt 15:45 I'm on it, K2. 15:50 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2475 points, T:3811, killed by a soldier ant 16:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 326 points, T:1371, killed by a little dog 16:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 11993 points, T:3561, killed by an ogre 16:33 [hdf-us] [slshm] zor (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1429 points, T:1318, killed by a dwarf, while helpless 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 441 points, T:830, killed by a dwarf 16:40 -!- post163 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 2209 points, T:1767, killed by a large mimic 16:53 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 16:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06 <@malor> K2 - seems good. I got on and played for a few minutes. Thanks! 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1435 points, T:2277, killed by an orc-captain 17:07 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1381 points, T:3115, killed by a rothe 17:11 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 698 points, T:897, killed by a werejackal, while fainted from lack of food 17:14 -!- hdf-guest-7 has joined #hardfought 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:55218 17:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Baalphegor, on T:62800 17:20 -!- hdf-guest-7 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:24 @malor good deal 17:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:40 K2: are you going to make 3.7 available? 17:42 yes before xmas 17:43 we need to 'hardfoughtify' it first 17:43 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 738 points, T:550, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 536 points, T:1279, killed by a gnome lord 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] zor (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 425 points, T:693, killed by a kobold lord 17:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:07 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 18:08 [hdf-us] [un] chromatic (Con Vam Fem Cha), 4391 points, T:2068, killed by a bone devil 18:10 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:19 K2: don't u love it when people open tickets and don't produce build logs (saw the archlinux ticket lol) 18:19 :) 18:20 i've never really used archlinux before, i dont know if there's something significantly different about it vs debian/ubuntu 18:21 who knows, arch users get a bit crazy with installing random AUR stuff, so their environments get dirty fast 18:21 hope they figure it out lol 18:21 <{Demo}> the package makers r all on meth or something 18:21 <{Demo}> and all they do is package shit 18:22 yep, can confirm 18:22 <{Demo}> they r also the users 18:22 <{Demo}> and its a terrible time for everyone 18:22 <{Demo}> except for when it isnt 18:22 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 18:22 it doesn't help that the packaging process on arch is really up to the user, since there are a zillion aur helpers, and the developer wiki documentation is a bit crap and manual, and doesn't really have any QA steps baked in like most other distros 18:22 it's like the old elite attitude of gentoo users without any reliable rooting in reality of that feeling 18:23 i like the way you phrased that :) 18:26 <{Demo}> give them all the shit u want at least they aren't deploying chocolatey packages built on install time out of a google sheet and git repo 18:29 [hdf-us] [spl] TevaVijod (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5733 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:3605 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6864 18:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a barbed devil, on T:3688 18:41 winny: Are you FredBezies on github? 18:44 [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Wiz Inf Fem Cha), 134 points, T:601, struck down by a goblin 18:44 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 431 points, T:1151, killed by a gnomish werejackal 18:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Wiz Inf Fem Cha), 944 points, T:1199, slain by a gnome lord 18:52 [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Wiz Inf Fem Cha), 142 points, T:616, dispatched by a gnome lord 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11448 points, T:4476, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 18:56 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 23 points, T:80, killed by a kobold wererat 18:57 [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Wiz Inf Fem Cha), 1069 points, T:1152, struck down by a small mimic 19:00 [hdf-us] [spl] TevaVijod (Val Hum Fem Law), 9263 points, T:7438, fell into a pit 19:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:18348 19:26 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 19:32 aosdict: no sorry :) i'm winny- on github 19:35 -!- merleke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18792 19:40 just checking 19:43 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:19040 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 145 points, T:892, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 19:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 264 points, T:1329, killed by a sasquatch 20:00 [hdf-us] [spl] TevaVijod (Val Hum Fem Law), 5476 points, T:5231, killed by an invisible lynx 20:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a ki-rin", on T:19399 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 238 points, T:797, killed by a wand 20:13 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 20:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 20:23 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3276 20:24 for some reason I can't fly down holes in Splice. Is there another way to drop down to the VoD if you have the flying intrinsic? I'm using the same command as descending stairs ">". 20:32 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1677 points, T:3419, killed by a giant bat 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a goblin, on T:4350 20:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4559 20:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4762 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5035 20:54 <{Demo}> can i recover a nethack save from a nethack coredump hypothetically? 20:55 <{Demo}> like, would need to write a program to construct the save from the dump but is all the info there or are levels gonna be a problem? 20:57 <{Demo}> oh yeah nah thats totally reasonable 20:57 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:06 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 18864 points, T:7722, killed by a leocrotta 21:13 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4735 21:15 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 21:17 -!- Kontroller1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64210 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3107 21:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Death-Spear of Vhaerun, on T:4285 21:37 <@rikersan> :/ saved this time 21:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:4548 21:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Sickle Moon, on T:5033 21:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Singing Sword, on T:5033 21:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:5033 21:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Hellrider's Saddle, on T:5033 21:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Frost Brand, on T:5033 21:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:64864 21:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64905 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "h", on T:8640 21:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:6090 21:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Quicksilver, on T:6090 21:50 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:50 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Atma Weapon, on T:6560 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:6649 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2369 points, T:7122, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Blade Singer's Spear, on T:6560 21:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:6560 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:9450 22:02 !who 22:02 K2: [hdf-us] ichbinmiah [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] luxor [slshm] rikersan [dnh] carlarc [dnh] woodstea23 [un] | [hdf-eu] Kontroller [nh363] | [hdf-au] tim [nh363] 22:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:8462 22:14 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29943 22:16 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 22:16 Just looked at the nethack recent commits and noticed that it uses lua for quests 22:16 Why? 22:16 you'd have to ask paxed 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10403 points, T:10685, killed by a soldier ant 22:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25 wait, what recent commits hit the quest code? they got to that already? 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 700 points, T:2109, killed by a water demon 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] squash12 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 603 points, T:1328, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 22:42 aosdict: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/8b87013fba25e6a9e3acab24edcb9fd87ebdf4d9 22:42 and https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/cab3eabfc4226e458189c4bc8e3b6fe0df2c5212 22:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:8695 22:53 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 rustproof Fire Brand", on T:30691 23:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 28932 points, T:10487, killed by a Woodland-elf, while frozen by a potion 23:10 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 23:14 [hdf-us] [spl] JohnKeel (Wiz Inf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5435 23:15 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17 Xaleth: oh, that's just dialogue. 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