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00:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 791 points, T:2415, killed by a pony
00:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the strange corpse, on T:96526
00:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:97573
00:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non) entered the Planes, on T:97688
01:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57465
01:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57477
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01:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:57667
01:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:57777
01:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:57779
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01:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Buer, on T:58577
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01:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:59027
02:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:59121
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02:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:59227
02:14 <rld> <@rikersan> !ping
02:14 <Beholder> @rikersan: Pong! 
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02:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:59254
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02:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13017
02:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 1691693 points, T:59274, poisoned by Demogorgon
02:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:14467
02:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:22880
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03:34 <bug_sniper> !who
03:34 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] demios1311 [nh363] tinklebear [tnnt] hilliance [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
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03:49 <raisse> strangely, that book crumbled to dust before I could read a single page of it
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03:50 <raisse> not very literate I'd say
03:54 <bug_sniper> at least you know what type of book it is I think
03:55 <Xjs> Maybe you read the cover.
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04:03 <bug_sniper> yasi: English teachers whose attack is unremarkable, except it takes away your illiterate conduct
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04:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:35968
04:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:35973
04:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:35980
04:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:35981
04:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:36055
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05:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 470 points, T:1418, killed by a kitten, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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08:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46420
08:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46513
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08:45 <bug_sniper> yasi: teeth slots that may contain wisdom teeth for stat bonus, fangs or incisors for extra attacks, molars to attack using the hammer skill, or silver teeth to make your bite stonger against vampires
08:48 <spontiff> molars also improve how much nutr you get from food
08:52 <K2> or gold crowns so you can bling out your grill and get a charisma boost
08:53 <K2> the nymph smiles seductively at you.  you smile seductively back, showing off your gold-encrusted smile.  the nymph swoons.
08:55 <Andrio> It'd at least add to the currently 3 object types made of gold.
08:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:47501
09:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:47536
09:05 <bug_sniper> nice going, malor
09:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:10167
09:23 <rld> <@The Potion Seller> !ping
09:23 <Beholder> @The Potion Seller: Pong! 
09:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "holy holy blessed holy thoroughly historic fixed unlit empty +5 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance and reflection named stoppotter by you-know-who industries", on T:6382
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09:37 <rld> <@carlarc> gold grills should increase your charisma but ruin every check where cha is necessary
09:38 <rld> <@carlarc> foocubus thinks you're simple, shopkeeps think you're dumb and 2xcharge you,
09:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:49731
09:41 <Andrio> Holey
09:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12105
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09:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 6067 points, T:6678, killed by a water troll
09:50 <hothraxxa> it was actually a fucking chameleon that i'd already killed 6 times
09:51 <K2> :/
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09:53 <Andrio> :o?
09:56 <hothraxxa> andrio, if that's a reaction to my comment, grunthack chameleons don't die if you kill them in while they're polyed into something else. they revert to being a chameleon with full hit points. every time. this one was an archon for a while
09:56 <rld> <@carlarc> that's dumb
09:56 <hothraxxa> that's grunt
09:58 <hothraxxa> i was in zmobie mintwon and it was already hard enough. zombies had zombified everyone except one shopkeeper
09:59 <hothraxxa> zombie minetown
10:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:50154
10:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pri Hlf Mal Cha), 8448780 points, T:50186, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1575034882.dnh.txt
10:01 <K2> woo congrats @malor
10:02 <{Demo}> yey
10:02 <rld> <@malor> thanks.
10:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:13888
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10:13 <Andrio> ah...
10:13 <Andrio> Ouch.
10:13 <rld> <@rikersan> grats malor
10:13 <Andrio> Congrats, malor!
10:14 <rld> <@malor> thanks.
10:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25831
10:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Inc Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7437
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10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 191 points, T:520, killed by a falling rock
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10:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 191 points, T:453, killed by a dwarf
10:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 129 points, T:123, killed by a gnome, while asleep
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10:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:998
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10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3198
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11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 475524 points, T:54440, killed by a ghoul mage
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11:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 2062 points, T:3098, killed by a giant beetle
11:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 399 points, T:1716, killed by a giant bat
11:45 <K2> !who
11:45 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] Lachtain [nh363] carr0t [nh363] RyanHill [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] bbola [nh4] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players
11:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4156
11:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4178
11:47 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers) 
11:47 <K2> ^ yet another fix of the bug
11:47 <{Demo}> if evilhack has one more bug I'm telling moloch...
11:48 <K2> you do it
11:48 <K2> tell him
11:48 <K2> i have him on speed dial, you can tell him now
11:49 <{Demo}> he won't be happy
11:49 <K2> whats new
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12:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1033 points, T:1749, poisoned by a daggers
12:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:19398
12:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12058 points, T:6011, killed by a salamander
12:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1615 points, T:861, killed by a baby black dragon
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12:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] OOGA (bbola) (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 25340 points, T:1702, killed by a little dog called "Slasher"
12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:21073
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12:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:17914
12:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 4680 points, T:4875, killed by a white unicorn
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13:00 <rld> <@carlarc> how many people have ascended without MR or reflection
13:02 <jonathanhanes> probably very few
13:02 <jonathanhanes> if any
13:06 <rld> <@luxidream> ascending without reflection is pretty easy
13:06 <rld> <@luxidream> ascending without MR is harder
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13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:98255
13:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non) destroyed Death, on T:98275
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13:23 <rld> <@malor> congrats to Carlac!
13:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Bin Vam Fem Non), 10552813 points, T:98323, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/carlarc/dnethack/dumplog/1574722577.dnh.txt
13:28 <K2> congrats @carlarc
13:28 <rld> <@carlarc> ty
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13:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 187 points, T:742, killed by a system shock
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13:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Pir Hum Fem Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:5316
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13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7665 points, T:3314, killed by a chameleon imitating a giant zombie
14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1204 points, T:2937, killed by a snake, while fainted from lack of food
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 226 points, T:768, killed by a magic missile
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14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (Bin Swn Fem Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Premium Heart", on T:22345
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1716 points, T:2613, killed by an iguana
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14:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1171 points, T:2697, killed by a priestess of Susanowo, while paralyzed by a monster
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15:19 <spontiff> I think I'll stick to my two long swords thanks Kos.
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15:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Pir Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:17838
15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7221 points, T:12770, killed by a gray unicorn
15:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 87 points, T:433, killed by a sewer rat
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] carr0t (Arc Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:18225
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1081
15:42 <klintos> who is elron?
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15:48 <jonathanhanes_> nethack player
15:48 <jonadab> Elronnd?
15:48 <raisse> don't think so
15:49 <jonadab> Dunno then.
15:50 <klintos> #1 on both NAO and hardfought.  
15:50 <jonadab> #1 for what criterion?
15:52 <jonadab> I'm used to thinking of Tariru as #1 lately.
15:52 <klintos> top score
15:52 <klintos> 3.6.x on both servers 
15:52 <klintos> by a mile
15:53 <jonadab> Oh, Berry hasn't played 3.6
15:53 <jonadab> But score is not actually meaningful.
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Inc Fem Cha) was given Stormhelm, on T:8131
15:54 <K2> this is what counts - https://scoreboard.xd.cm/zscore.all.html
15:54 <K2> and then also look at what kind of conducts have been achieved
15:54 <jonadab> Eh, streaks are more impressive than z-score really.
15:54 <{Demo}> numbers count
15:54 <jonadab> And conducts can be impressive, of course.
15:55 <K2> you may have a player who hasnt ascended as much as luxidream but if they have say a bunch of pacifist or zen/nudist conducts, thats significant
15:55 <{Demo}> luxidank
15:55 <jonadab> Oh, stth is still #3, and he hasn't played since...  I don't even know when.
15:55 <K2> streaks too
15:55 <klintos> what is this xd.cm?
15:56 <K2> kerio and deepy own that domain
15:56 <jonadab> xd.cm is a vanity domain hosted by deepy and kerio.
15:56 <jonadab> They host the scoreboard among other things.
15:56 <jonadab> Also the ascension.run server.
15:56 <K2> its where a couple EU based nethack servers live, plus the scoreboard i linked to
15:56 <K2> amy's server is hosted there also
15:56 <jonadab> (And semi-private Minecraft servers and assorted other stuff.)
15:56 <klintos> i'm 261st!
15:56 <klintos> yay
15:57 <jonadab> My z-score has got to be abysmal.  I've never ascended anything but 3.4.3-nao
15:58 <klintos> oh for the "all" category I don't even rank
15:58 <jonadab> Wait, does the scoreboard treat 3.4 and 3.6 as the same?
16:00 <klintos> looks like it
16:01 <klintos> it has a link to my first ascension 5 years ago :)
16:01 <K2> yup
16:01 <K2> vanilla nethack is vanilla nethack
16:02 <jonadab> I mean, acehack is WAY more similar to 3.4, than 3.6 is.
16:02 <K2> there's a few asc missing, the tnnt xlogfile needs to be processed again by the NHS
16:02 <K2> 8 days worth
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16:03 <jonadab> Eh, a few days' lag is not a big deal for what the scoreboard is.
16:03 <jonadab> It's not tournament standings.
16:03 <K2> yup
16:03 <K2> but for someone like luxidream there's 10-12 asc missing :P
16:04 <klintos> I'll take my mauve ribbon for 30th place.
16:04 <jonadab> mauve, not puce?
16:04 <klintos> puce?  I WISH I was puce.  
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16:05 <klintos> maybe if I quit my job...
16:05 <K2> if you could see a burp, what color would it be? BURPLE
16:05 * klintos opens the great book of Dad Jokes
16:05 <jonadab> K2: What's orange and sounds like a parrot?
16:05 <K2> a parrot
16:05 <jonadab> A carrot.
16:05 <K2> :P
16:06 <jonadab> Alright, bottom tier.  What's brown and sticky?
16:06 <K2> my kid loves these corny jokes
16:06 <jonadab> A stick.
16:06 <K2> booo
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16:07 <jonadab> Have I told you about the famous Viking explorer who came back from a long trip to discover that his name was no longer listed on the village register?
16:07 <moon-child> jonadab: not me.  When I first registered for nao, Elrond and Elron were taken - that's why I'm Elronnd
16:07 <jonadab> The next day he and his wife went to the village magistrate to complain.  The man was apologetic.  "I'm very sorry.  I must have taken Lief off my census."
16:08 <K2> omg
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16:08 <klintos> that was a long way
16:08 <jonadab> So whenever people boo or groan at one of my jokes, "I'm very sorry.  I must have taken Lief off my census."
16:08 <K2> thats just... wow
16:08 <klintos> but it was WORTH IT
16:10 <jonadab> K2: I'll tell you my dad's favorite riddle.  How do you get down off an elephant?
16:10 <K2> with a brush
16:10 <K2> :P
16:10 <jonadab> Close.  You don't get down off an elephant.  You get down off a duck.
16:10 <K2> bwahahah
16:11 <{Demo}> god
16:11 <jonadab> Of course, this being a NetHack channel, there's always "Your health currently feels amplified."
16:13 <rld> <@Tone> I think one of the most objective measures of general nethack skill would probably be holding a high ascension rate playing random characters over a minimum number of games
16:13 <jonadab> I should add that line to Fourk's graffiti list.  "You don't get down off an elephant.  You get down off a duck."  Or untrue fortune cookie messages maybe.
16:13 <rld> <@Tone> Streaks are good but they are, well, streaky
16:14 <rld> <@Tone> Like Tariru was an amazing player for a while but I don't think they got much attention until they had an active 15+ game streak
16:14 <jonadab> z-score was intended to represent that but doesn't account for number of games played, i.e., it allows you to start-scum without lowering your score.
16:14 <rld> <@Tone> Despite having an impressive history of 5+ game streaks broken up by a single death here and there
16:15 <jonadab> We knew Tariru was good.  It got commented on in #nethack from time to time.
16:15 <jonadab> (In #nethack on Freenode, I mean.  I have no idea what the Discord community did or didn't say about him.)
16:16 <K2> tariru's streak was 61 games
16:16 <K2> and then 4 for slex
16:16 <jonadab> K2: Eventually.
16:16 <K2> number of slex games played - 4
16:16 <K2> 100%
16:16 <jonadab> He means he started getting attention when the streak reached critical mass.
16:16 <K2> he went into rehab shortly thereafter
16:16 <jonadab> Hah.
16:16 <K2> :)
16:16 <jonadab> Can you get him to streak evilhack?
16:17 <jonadab> It can't be any harder to do than slex.
16:17 <K2> challenge accepted
16:17 <klintos> nice
16:17 <rld> <@Tone> Z score doesn't care about ascension rate
16:17 <jonadab> Right, that's its shortcoming.
16:17 <K2> Tariru's win % vs all games played is 28.6 percent (vanilla plus all tracked variants)
16:18 <jonadab> But at least it takes into account different roles/variants played.
16:18 <jonadab> Ideally you'd want to take both things into account.
16:18 <K2> even though I am 5th on the overall zscore ranking, my win % is only 1.3%
16:18 <K2> i die alot
16:18 <jonadab> Yes, I die a lot also.
16:19 <rld> <@Tone> If Tariru decided to play vanilla right now with the intent to just win games, their ascension rate would be much higher than 28.6%
16:19 <rld> <@Tone> Tracking all games unfortunately factors in conduct and challenge games
16:19 <jonadab> I dream of some day getting my asc rate over 5%, and ascending a game in under 80k turns / one month.
16:20 <rld> <@Tone> A very good player that also likes to attempt turncount Speedruns would have an abysmal asc%
16:20 <jonadab> True.
16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Law), 109 points, T:391, killed by a boulder
16:21 <jonadab> Of course the *true* test of skill would be going the full monty with bells on in slex.
16:21 <rld> <@Tone> It would be interesting to track something like the top asc percentages over a 50 game period or so
16:22 <rld> <@Tone> Tariru would of course hold the top spot with 100%
16:22 <jonadab> A "best of 50" category?
16:22 <jonadab> Or, hmm, how about a "best z-score in 50 consecutive games" metric?
16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3120
16:23 <rld> <@Tone> ooh yeah I like that
16:23 <jonadab> Though it's not clear how to count "consecutive" games across variants.  Hmm.
16:23 <jonadab> I guess you could measure best z-score in 50 consecutive games for each variant.
16:23 <rld> <@Tone> I'm just thinking of vanilla right now
16:24 <jonadab> And then aggregate them in the usual way.
16:24 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah I'd track variants separately
16:24 <jonadab> I think only counting vanilla misses something.
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16:25 <rld> <@Tone> You'd have to weight the relative difficulty of different variants, and also account for variants with more roles than vanilla
16:26 <jonadab> Account for number of roles by dividing the score for that variant, by the number of roles in the variant, when aggregating.
16:26 <jonadab> Variant difficulty is more subjective.
16:26 <jonadab> People argue at length about whether Un is one of the difficult variants or not, for example.
16:27 <K2> its medium hard
16:27 <{Demo}> medium rare
16:27 <jonadab> But to be top tier you'd have to score decently in enough different variants, that inevitably some of them would be hardish.
16:27 <K2> harder than vanilla but not as hard as grunthack/sporkhack
16:28 <jonadab> Also, some variants have moved on the scale.  Fourk was generally regarded as noticeably easier than vanilla for the first couple of versions.
16:28 <jonadab> And then one year it wasn't.
16:32 <rld> <@Tone> The variants available to play are always changing, and some of them change quite a bit themselves from version to version.  Which could make them difficult to use as a metric for comparing players
16:33 <rld> <@luxidream> Are we making junethack competitive
16:33 <rld> <@Tone> Just musing on ways to measure player skill
16:34 <rld> <@luxidream> I’d stick to vanilla for that to be honest
16:34 <rld> <@luxidream> I meme about KaizoHack but I don’t want that to be real
16:34 <jonadab> I mean, we could always measure the player's ability to play while blindfolded IRL, handcuffed behind the back, typing with toes.
16:35 <jonadab> And nah, KaizoHack lacks flair.  If you're gonna do something like that, make it I Wanna Be The Rogue.  
16:35 <K2> need team limits for junethack to be competetive. otherwise you get what has happened the last couple of year, a ton of players gravitating to whatever team luxi is on
16:36 <jonadab> team limits creates a problem of not wanting newbs on your team, though.
16:36 <K2> thats not a problem
16:36 <rld> <@luxidream> Do we win because of all those players though
16:36 <K2> some teams add their friends, not ringers
16:37 <K2> luxi you shouldnt be allowed to compete anymore, so the rest of us can have some sort of chance
16:37 <jonadab> I just remember having a _really_ positive experience with the Demilichens in 2014.
16:37 <K2> i should have broken your hands when I had the chance :)
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16:37 <bhaak> do you want to be on the team that won because they got luxi or do you want to be on the team that beat the team luxi was on?
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9126 points, T:4531, killed by a dwarf king
16:38 <K2> bhaak be realistic please
16:38 <jonadab> I want to be on the team that won because of coordination and teamwork.
16:38 <rld> <@Tone> I don't think the number of players allowed on a team is making junethack non competitive
16:38 <K2> not yet
16:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Sam Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1087
16:38 <rld> <@luxidream> Honestly I really like it. That’s how you make new friends, show new players the ropes etc
16:38 <K2> so far the over stacked teams, only a handful have actually contributed
16:39 <rld> <@luxidream> that’s a lot of the fun in tournaments imo
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Inc Fem Cha), 41916 points, T:8249, killed by a leocrotta
16:39 <jonathanhanes_> k2 I'm not even top 100 on that list, no way it is accurate
16:40 <K2> what was it... if luxi had been a clan of one, he still would have won junethack :)
16:40 <rld> <@luxidream> Anyway, just count the number of ascending players per clan, that’s a better indication of clan strength
16:40 <rld> <@Tone> Most team's scores are mostly contributed to by only a few players
16:40 <K2> and ootc would have been 4th place
16:40 <rld> <@luxidream> 3rd place I think, I didn’t complete several of the challenges
16:40 <{Demo}> how did shoes and girls place?
16:40 <K2> 4th
16:41 <K2> for tnnt
16:41 <K2> i dont remember for junethack you'd have to look
16:41 <rld> <@luxidream> oh for TNNT 2018?
16:41 <K2> 2019
16:41 <K2> amy doesnt play 3.6.x
16:42 <K2> if she had, shoes and girls would have had a better score i think
16:42 <rld> <@luxidream> Tone alone has 3k points
16:42 <rld> <@luxidream> I think ootc would still have won
16:42 <{Demo}> shoes and girls isn't a jnh clan
16:42 <{Demo}> it's a one off tnnt clan
16:42 <{Demo}> and wow, 4th
16:42 <{Demo}> I wonder who actually played
16:43 <rld> <@Tone> Anerag did very well this year
16:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] carr0t (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:20614
16:43 <rld> <@Tone> A few others played well for shoes too
16:43 <K2> welp bottom line is this - team limits keep things fair. at some point you're going to see all the really good players hop on the same team and a lot of other players will follow. fuck that
16:44 <K2> team limits were a success for tnnt this year
16:44 <rld> <@luxidream> Everyone on splat is good
16:44 <jonathanhanes_> I don't like the team limits at all
16:44 <jonathanhanes_> I think I forgot to mention that in the survey though
16:44 <jonathanhanes_> So I'm saying it no
16:44 <jonathanhanes_> now*
16:45 <K2> not like your team needed more players
16:45 <jonathanhanes_> We had to make a second clan
16:45 <K2> good
16:45 <rld> <@luxidream> No
16:46 <K2> more teams, more competetion
16:46 <K2> thats a no brainer
16:46 <rld> <@luxidream> But I hate telling people to join the B team
16:46 <jonathanhanes_> Not necessarily
16:46 <jonathanhanes_> and yah, what luxi said
16:46 <K2> then split up some of your top tier players between the two teams
16:46 <jonathanhanes_> That's lame
16:46 <K2> lol no it isnt
16:46 <jonathanhanes_> My opinion of that is it's lame
16:46 <jonathanhanes_> you're welcome to disagree :P
16:47 <K2> dont worry, i do
16:47 <rld> <@luxidream> Then we still have a B team
16:47 <rld> <@luxidream> I’d just rather they be on the clan and be able to make a small contribution
16:48 <rld> <@luxidream> it’s more fun for everyone involved that way
16:48 <K2> no it isnt
16:48 <rld> <@luxidream> And it’s not like accepting new players has ever been a deciding factor
16:48 <K2> its not fun at all for everyone else not on that team
16:49 <K2> you're still just thinking about your self and your team
16:49 <K2> you're not thinking of the entirety
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16:49 <rld> <@Tone> eh I think a lot of people have fun without caring what other teams are doing, I wouldn't speak for everyone there
16:50 <K2> sure there's enough ppl playing, some dont care either way
16:51 <rld> <@luxidream> I don’t really understand, they make clan population look bigger?
16:51 <K2> but there's not a single serious team competition out there that allows unlimited players at once 
16:51 <jonathanhanes_> junethack does
16:51 <K2> its not serious imo
16:51 <K2> if it were it'd have team limits
16:51 <TheGame20_> it discourages people from even caring about their clan, it's easy to look at the clan standings, and see one clan run away largely because of 1 players, and just stop caring about clans altogether... for some people that's not a big deal... but I'm sure there's people out there that would like the clan competition to actually be competitive
16:51 <K2> and not allow bots on human accounts/teams
16:52 <jonathanhanes_> If you really wanted it to be competitive you would set up a team minimum as well
16:52 <K2> ^ that
16:52 <jonathanhanes_> Instead of having a bunch of 1 member clans
16:52 <K2> its been on my to-do to discuss
16:53 <rld> <@Tone> This year's clan scoring would have been more or less the same no matter what the team limit was set at, I don't think that would realistically change anything
16:53 <K2> um no
16:53 <K2> thats a silly statement
16:53 <K2> imagine if everyone from teamsplat joined ootc
16:53 <jonathanhanes_> Why would they do that?
16:54 <rld> <@malor> With luxidream out there how can you have a serious competition anyway?  I haven’t checked but I am sure his ascension count is higher than the highest other clan.
16:54 <K2> tell me the scoring would be the same
16:54 <rld> <@Tone> I'm talking about reducing team limits further
16:54 <rld> <@Tone> There would still be a large disparity
16:55 <K2> we havent run the numbers by excluding luxidream yet, or just making him a one person clan
16:55 <K2> but it would make the top four clans a lot closer in score
16:55 <K2> but hey... luxi is good, good for him
16:56 <TheGame20_> the only way to have anything close to a competition with one player ascending that many times more than anyone else, would be to tweak the scoring to clans to limit how much one person can contribute... or make it so it uses scoring as a clan(not the sum of the individuals)... so if one perons ascends a dwarf valk they get 50 clan poitns(or wahtever it is), the next perons to ascwend a dwarf valk only gets 25 clan points and s
16:56 <K2> someday another luxi will come about maybe :P
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3998
16:56 <TheGame20_> it would also encourage the clan as a whole to try and ascending every role/race/alingment combination, since every ascending the same roles will start having dimiishing returs
16:57 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah when one player ascends 4 times as much as anyone else then there is not much you can do to balance it
16:57 <K2> zscoring is already in
16:57 <rld> <@Tone> That's just the scoring being reflective of what is actually happening
16:57 <rld> <@malor> 2 Luxis would reduce completion not increase it.
16:57 <AntiVirus23> I think it's completely normal for ability to be so unevenly distributed. You see this pretty much everywhere
16:57 <K2> sure
16:57 <rld> <@luxidream> I liked your idea of scoreboards K2
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16:57 <K2> but dont compound it by having unlimited players on every team
16:58 <rld> <@luxidream> Where you have to place in categories for a large number of points
16:58 <AntiVirus23> right
16:58 <K2> thats what irks me about junethack
16:58 <rld> <@luxidream> Ideally, that would be large enough that spamming out games is not enough to win
16:59 <K2> alright i gotta go get mini-me
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16:59 <K2> luxidream, start sucking at nethack kthx
16:59 <K2> :P
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16:59 <rld> <@luxidream> 😦
16:59 <rld> <@malor> Of course the most talented get more points in all walks of life.  But look at the nba scoring for a normal range where the best player is only 20% higher than the 10th best. In basketball terms luxi is averaging 120 points per game.
17:00 <K2> lol imagine if the nba allowed as many players on the court as each team could rpoduce
17:00 <K2> or nfl
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17:00 <rld> <@Tone> I don't think I saw the scoreboard idea, but if scoring way more than everyone else mostly meant that you took one chunk of points for rank #1 in "most ascensions", then yes that could change things a lot
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17:00 <K2> or rugby
17:00 <rld> <@malor> Right that’s not the solution K2 🙂
17:00 <TheGame20_> NBA is also(out of the 4 major north american sports anyway) where on player can have the biggest impact on team success
17:01 <jonathanhanes_> nethack is not the NBA though
17:01 <jonathanhanes_> and at the end of the day there is nothing more at stake then the fun people get out of the tournament
17:01 <rld> <@malor> I was just pointing out that the highest outlier is generally a standard deviation away not 4 or 5 standard deviations!
17:01 <K2> one idea i had for tnnt, was have asc score less - you'd still get points for ascending, but if you really wanted to plus up your clan score, you'd have to focus more on trophies and achievements
17:02 <rld> <@Tone> The NBA would probably look like this if there were only 150 people in the country who played basketball
17:02 <rld> <@luxidream> I don’t agree. Sure there’s nothing at stake, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be competitive
17:02 <rld> <@Tone> Instead of taking the top 1% of thousands of players
17:03 <K2> jonathanhanes_ agreed, but i'm telling you, no one likes looking at a team that has 25+ players while the rest of the teams are half that or less
17:03 <K2> team competition? oh its not here
17:03 <rld> <@malor> Where is Tairu?  Get him back and have him and luxi in their own “league”.  A sort of “steel cage match”.
17:03 <jonathanhanes_> I understand the need for team limits that doesn't mean I have to like them.
17:03 <rld> <@luxidream> K2 I think trophies should be worth more, not ascensions worth less, but I guess they amount to the same thing
17:03 <K2> eat your meat! how can you have any pudding if you dont eat your meat??
17:04 <K2> @luxidream yup
17:04 <K2> raise one or lower the others
17:04 <K2> same thing
17:04 <rld> <@malor> My home town only had around that many and one player played division one.  But 2 of the other better players could still double team him and beat him.
17:04 <K2> ok gotta run, see you all later
17:04 <rld> <@malor> My home town had 800 total population
17:04 <jonathanhanes_> o/
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19:41 <rld> <@carlarc> what's the W counter in watch games?
19:41 <rld> <@rikersan> watchers
19:48 <aosdict> I'm coming late to the scoring discussion, but here was an idea I had: what if we gave up on trying to have a single unified score and instead had different award categories for the various ways to excel in nethack (e.g. conducts, streaks, speed, sheer number of wins)
19:48 <aosdict> the important point: without trying to balance them against each other
19:50 <K2> that's interesting
19:52 <AntiVirus23> cya later all. until tomorrow
19:52 <rld> <@rikersan> cya antivirus
19:52 <rld> <@carlarc> obviously, all we need to do is divide team points by players in the team
19:53 <rld> <@rikersan> ClanLuxidream?
19:53 <rld> <@rikersan> didn't luxi do like 1/3 of the tnnt ascensions
19:54 <rld> <@rikersan> 19% if my math is right
19:55 <aosdict> @carlarc It's been discussed; this would make it a big negative to take a new player on your team or a player who ends up not being able to play much.
19:56 <rld> <@carlarc> then you multiply the score by newbies in the team
19:56 <rld> <@rikersan> it sounds like more work that is worthwhile to me
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19:59 <Pinkbeast> What about scoring based on the top n players in the team?
20:00 <klintos> I hear you, I'm not one for trying punish excellence.  
20:00 <Pinkbeast> Also, would luxi have won if they were just in a team by themself?
20:01 <klintos> 10 point penalty for each game start scummed.  DONE. 
20:02 <klintos> it's not like you can just start over if you get dealt a lowsy hand in a poker tournament.  
20:03 <Pinkbeast> Fixing start scumming seems like another problem, it's not clear to me the outcome here was affected greatly by it
20:03 <klintos> 617 games scummed for Luxidream
20:04 <Pinkbeast> I suspect that just because Luxi has excelled under the current rules does not mean they can't also excel under other rules.
20:04 <klintos> the trophy for no-scum is 20 points.  I forgot, and quit one game, so I lost 20 points.  A 10 point penalty sounds about right.
20:05 <Pinkbeast> http://crawl.montres.org.uk/scoring/players/luxidream.html
20:05 <rld> <@carlarc> just make quitting give you a second warning for the trophy in tourneys
20:06 <klintos> fair point
20:06 <rld> <@luxidream> I scummed no games in the last competition
20:06 <rld> <@carlarc> "beware, you will lose this trophy"
20:06 <rld> <@luxidream> I'm perfectly capable of playing without it, if that's what you're implying 😛
20:08 <klintos> luxidream probably would have won without it, but #1 has the score of numbers 2, 3, and 4 combined.  
20:09 <klintos> I'm just going by the stats in https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/players/Luxidream.html
20:09 <Pinkbeast> If one player alone can carry a team (like the old days of Team Ant) then restrictions on team size are irrelevant.
20:10 <rld> <@luxidream> I should have just done vegan wizards if I knew I would get this much grief about scumming
20:10 <rld> <@luxidream> haha
20:11 <rld> <@luxidream> has there ever been a team with 12+ ascending players?
20:12 <klintos> ok, what is rld ?
20:12 <Pinkbeast> A Discord-IRC gateway.
20:12 <klintos> discord, ah ha.
20:13 <klintos> irssi won't tab complete those bad boys.  
20:13 <klintos> luxidream: let me know your best game from the tournament, and I'll make a video of it, if you want.
20:15 <klintos> ~who
20:15 <klintos> bleh
20:19 <truculent> If a goal is to increase competition between clans, how about having a fixed number of clans, say 10 or 12, and assigning every player to a random clan?
20:21 <rld> <@malor> the clans are generally friends, so that would be a very strange thing to just assign people randomly.
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20:28 <truculent> In that case, then I think you'll just have to accept that the really skilled long term players know each other and will play together in a small number of clans, and those clans will outcompete everyone else, whatever scoring system you use. That doesn't bother me (and I'm not one of those skilled players), but that's the way it will be.
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20:31 <Pinkbeast> Weeel, I think it might be worth looking at what DCSS does there. (Sorry). There are many highly skilled players, yet multiple competitive clans in the tournament.
20:32 <klintos> yay poison resistance!  
20:37 <rld> <@rikersan> it's quite amusing that malor appears the same as y'all (blank avatar) despite being on discord
20:37 <rld> <@rikersan> he's missing a "bot" after his name though
20:42 <rld> <@malor> I need to upload an avatar I guess.
20:46 <rld> <@rikersan> !pom
20:46 <Beholder> @rikersan: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 7 days.
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Clk Mal Law) was given Helping Hand, on T:2758
20:55 <rld> <@Tone> K2, aosdict:  Can we get a centralized place for general discussion of tournament feedback and scoring?  Maybe another reddit post?
20:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:5325
20:56 <rld> <@Tone> Seems like there's a lot to be said/discussed
20:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Clk Mal Law), 3349 points, T:7334, quit
20:56 <rld> <@Tone> would probably result in some fruitful discussion
20:56 <K2> feel free to start a new reddit thread
20:59 <rld> <@Tone> Will do, I'll post something tomorrow unless someone wants to do it sooner
21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:52449
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21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1236592 points, T:52483, petrified by a cockatrice
21:04 <bouquet> Uhhhh...
21:04 <bouquet> The magic-absorbing blade stuns the cockatrice!  You bite the cockatrice.  You turn to stone...
21:04 <rld> <@Tone> aosdict:  One way to avoid having to balance different award categories against each other is to only allow points for each type of accomplishment once. This way if something is being overvalued, it cannot exploited and "farmed".  It also requires players/clans to be well-balanced to achieve a higher score.
21:05 <bouquet> But I'm a vampire player race. I didn't think that was supposed to happen?
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21:05 <rld> <@rikersan> were you confused?
21:07 <bouquet> I'll have to check, but pretty sure I wasn't
21:07 <bouquet> !lastgame bouquet
21:07 <Beholder> bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1575074739.splice.html
21:07 <bouquet> doesn't look that way
21:07 <rld> <@rikersan> hm
21:08 <rld> <@Tone> Looks like all of your attacks had a bite component
21:08 <rld> <@Tone> Is that just not supposed to trigger against monsters like cockatrice?
21:08 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah
21:08 <bouquet> afaik, the vampire player race doesn't bite stoning creatures. That's how it is in Un and Slash'em
21:08 <bouquet> I'm also pretty sure I cleared out a room full of c's with magicbane and bites earlier.
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6329 points, T:1851, killed by a giant ant
21:09 <bouquet> "SLASH'EM's vampire's are intelligent enough to "turn off" their bite attack against such creatures."
21:10 <rld> <@Numbgoon> that applies to mind flayers too, right
21:10 <bouquet> mindflayer isn't a player race.
21:10 <rld> <@rikersan> but for polyself purposes?
21:10 <rld> <@Numbgoon> oh
21:10 <rld> <@rikersan> not sure
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21:10 <rld> <@Numbgoon> I meant polymorph form
21:10 <rld> <@rikersan> I believe it does
21:10 <bouquet> no, polyself you have to avoid c's
21:10 <rld> <@rikersan> but please don't test me on that
21:11 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah wiki says your'e safe
21:11 <bouquet> also, in vanilla if you poly into a vampire you have to avoid directly attacking c's
21:11 <rld> <@rikersan> (for slashem, and since numbgoon just died there I assume they're talking about slshm)
21:11 <rld> <@Numbgoon> cool
21:11 <bouquet> well, what should I do? Petition for a restore?  Kiss that run goodbye? I was about to wrap it up :(
21:11 <rld> <@Numbgoon> yeh, I died sucking c brains in nethack a couple of times
21:12 <rld> <@Tone> At the very least send AntiGulp a bug report
21:13 <bouquet> done
21:14 <bouquet> !tell AntiGulp player race vampire, I attacked a cockatrice and turned to store due to biting.  I'd done that tons of times this game and never had that affect. Bug or by design? https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1575074739.splice.html
21:14 <Beholder> No worries, bouquet, I've got this!
21:15 <bouquet> !tell AntiGulp I thought player race Vampires were smart enough like in Slash'em and UnNethack.
21:15 <Beholder> I'm on it, bouquet.
21:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 3045 points, T:2697, killed by a rabid rabbit
21:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu), 2364 points, T:1889, killed by a dwarf
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21:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 575 points, T:1226, killed by a dingo puppy
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21:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1324
21:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 225 points, T:683, killed by a large kobold
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] pop (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1684 points, T:2372, killed by a rothe
21:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:2579
21:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 333 points, T:565, killed by a gas spore's explosion
21:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 17 points, T:187, killed by a goblin
21:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3328
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) was given Release from Care, on T:4092
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3840
21:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1360 points, T:1560, killed by a pony
21:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13786
21:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1000 points, T:1786, killed by a maggot
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5954
21:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14606
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22:02 <klintos> love finishing soko and getting ANOTHER boh
22:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:15362
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8433
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22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] carr0t (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24705
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22:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) was given the Holy Moonlight Sword, on T:17684
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22:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17285
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Pir Hum Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:23736
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22:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:12153
22:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:20833
22:37 <rld> <@rikersan> thanks, a good gift finally
22:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17924
22:40 <klintos> sweeeet
22:40 <NHrsa> nice
22:42 <klintos> and my pet conveniently just died.
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3301
22:56 <bouquet> Strombringer is awesome... until you whack a minetown guard with it
22:56 <bouquet> I have a line in my config to highlight it with an orange background in my inventory when wielded.
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] demios1311 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1379 points, T:3514, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse, while frozen by a potion
23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:25555
23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 72717 points, T:15747, petrified by a cockatrice
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:19966
23:08 <klintos> yawn
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Pir Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:25389
23:10 <rld> <@rikersan> wise wish choices carlarc :)
23:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Pir Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:26402
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:28202
23:26 <rld> <@carlarc> only chumps wish for +3 artifacts
23:28 <rld> <@rikersan> i need DR badly
23:28 <rld> <@rikersan> the caveman quest is so godawfully balanced
23:28 <rld> <@rikersan> vs 8d12 claws, 4d14 claws, and all that fun stuff i'll take what I can get
23:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered MAXIMUS, his faithful Grey-elf, on T:21908
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 48247 points, T:22141, killed by a bolt of fire
23:32 <klintos> UNBELIEVABLE
23:33 <klintos> nothing like a wand of fire taking 30 hit points from you
23:34 <rld> <@carlarc> i can't believe you killed your dog elf
23:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:653
23:37 <klintos> hey
23:37 <Beholder> Hello klintos, Welcome to #hardfought
23:37 <klintos> I killed my horse slash elf
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23:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of cancellation", on T:31849
23:47 <misha> did another elf zap you to avenge MAXIMUS?
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23:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 378317 points, T:32629, killed by a diplodocus
23:52 <rld> <@rikersan> oh shit
23:52 <rld> <@rikersan> I just level teled and took a 8d12 claw to the face
23:52 <rld> <@rikersan> oh well
23:52 <rld> <@rikersan> god the caveman quest is stupid
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23:57 <rld> <@rikersan> @d?diplodocus
23:57 <Beholder> No such monster.
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