00:00 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:00 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 00:03 -!- Cevn has joined #hardfought 00:19 [US] [E]: Luxidream (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3019 points, 1702 turns, escaped 00:20 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24 [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 567 points, 1204 turns, killed by a gnome lord 00:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:31 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2753 points, 3813 turns, killed by a werewolf 00:34 [US] [D]: klintos (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 342 points, 1516 turns, killed by a little dog 00:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 364 points, 1174 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted wererat 00:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:45 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 265 points, 381 turns, killed by a coyote 00:45 [US] [D]: mangotiger (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2739 points, 2000 turns, killed by a dwarf (and one other game not reported) 00:46 -!- TheGame20 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 120 points, 490 turns, killed by a fox 00:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 77 points, 111 turns, killed by a fox (and one other game not reported) 00:48 <@ShivanHunter> >tfw I've been playing nethack for literally 15 years and I only just found out invisible stalkers can fly 00:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 444 points, 1536 turns, killed by a giant bat, while reading a book 00:57 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 179 points, 905 turns, killed by a fox 00:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 37 points, 288 turns, killed by a newt 00:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 30 points, 100 turns, killed by a jackal 01:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-12 06:00 UTC: Games: 70, Asc: 4, Scum: 14. 300809 turns, 9970371 points. 4d 03:55 gametime. (41%Wiz), (66%Hum), (48%Neu), (52%Mal), 18d 17:59 remaining. 01:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1922 points, 3173 turns, killed by a dust vortex 01:17 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 399 points, 437 turns, killed by a giant bat 01:21 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- Cevn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:32 crapola - unihorn ain't gonna cut it in castle - gonna retreat 8^P 01:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:38 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 900 points, 1308 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 01:44 when doing sac-fests, should I pick an altar that is deeper in the dungeon or it doesn't make a difference? I need to get Stormbringer somehow (either GIFT or CROWN)... 01:45 Whatever's more convenient. 01:45 eraserhead97: I usually have my stash by the altar, and then I prefer a deeer lvl altar. but if you need something it doesn't matter where it is located 01:47 thx - I'll stay at Dlvl:3 near the stash then - got a bazillion altars this game (3,6,16,19,23,24) but no sac-gifts yet 8^P 01:47 <@luxidream> It’s easier to get more luck sacrifices at a deeper level than at a lower one 01:47 finally got the create monster spellbook 01:47 <@luxidream> So crowning is faster 01:48 oh - that's what I thought - I'll go for the one on 24 then - tyvm ^^ 01:48 <@luxidream> monsters at a deeper level are more dangerous but more likely to leave corpses 01:48 that makes sense 01:50 [US] [D]: epsilon (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 873 points, 3881 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 01:51 -!- dbanethacker has joined #hardfought 01:51 Hi admins - I might have found another issue with TNNT. Not a problem, just an observation. 01:53 When I go through the Rogue level, I can't see the board becuase it defaults to RogueEpyx. No problem, I change it to Plain. 01:53 Then I can see the level just fine. 01:53 board? 01:54 The issue is when I step off the level. The game doesn't remember that I had changed it to Plain. It goes back to Rogue Sim Set (sp?) 01:55 It's level 18, and the option is Roguesymset. I change it from Epyx to plain. The issue is that it doesn't retain my change when I go to dungeon level 17 or 19 01:55 Sorry, what do you mean by board? 01:56 oh, not board - the screen is what I mean. I can't see the rooms very well because of the bad characters everywhere. 01:56 What do you mean by board? 01:56 ah 01:56 You can put that in your config file. 01:56 yes, sorry. board = dungeon level 01:57 Ok, I'll try that. But my observation is that when I go off the level, from dungeon level 18 to either 17 or 19, shouldn't it remember that I had changed it from Epyx to Plain so that when I go back to level 18 it doesn't look like a bunch of gobbledygook? 01:57 Just a passing observation. Not a problem, just wondering if it was intended that way. 01:58 If you changed it in the options menu, it should at least persist until you save 01:58 Yes, I changed it in the options menu. Then I save my game. When I come back, it's as if I hadn't made the change. 01:58 Ah 01:58 Not all options are saved in your save file and are instead reloaded from your config file. 01:59 I'll change it in my .rcfile and see if that is a permanent fix. It should be. 01:59 mm 01:59 I see - okay, well, onward ever deeper! 01:59 Good luck 01:59 2u2 ! 02:04 well, well... I'm OOM - got Orcrist and Sting, but no Stormbringer yet - 'til next time 02:05 got some friendly Woodland-elfs that I could sac - but don't like being followed around by demons 8^) 02:06 I'll go farm on Medusa's Lair until I get my mana back 02:14 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Bar-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1830 points, 2010 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome king 02:14 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1733 points, 2565 turns, killed by a paper golem 02:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:15 [US] [D]: epsilon (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 195 points, 681 turns, killed by an invisible large kobold 02:17 @luxidream woohoo! it worked! my first crowning >EVER< - ty ^^ 02:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:34 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 270 points, 1157 turns, killed by a little dog 02:35 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2645 points, 4387 turns, killed by a wolf 02:46 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1527 points, 2449 turns, killed by a dwarf king 02:51 (0:1) T^T 02:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 73 points, 344 turns, killed by a grid bug 02:55 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 101 points, 431 turns, killed by a sewer rat 02:56 Go Raisse ! Get killed by everything possible (grin!) 02:58 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: ] 02:58 Stormbringer+MKoT is a rockin' combo ^^ 02:59 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:11 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11 <@ShivanHunter> g - an uncursed magic marker (0:96) 03:11 <@ShivanHunter> PRAISE RNGESUS 03:15 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 625 points, 2250 turns, killed by a pony 03:33 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 03:35 [EU] [D]: arckex (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 316 points, 1265 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:41 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 03:46 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5466 points, 8151 turns, killed by a soldier ant 03:51 [EU] [D]: arckex (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 890 points, 2015 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 04:01 [EU] [D]: joes (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 304 points, 1356 turns, killed by a bolt of cold, while fainted from lack of food 04:02 [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 262973 points, 17687 turns, killed by a barbed devil, while paralyzed by a monster 04:02 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:10 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3363 points, 8768 turns, killed by a wolf, while fainted from lack of food 04:17 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:20 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 238 points, 401 turns, killed by a little dog 04:22 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:30 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 64 points, 299 turns, killed by a water moccasin 04:57 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 8547 points, 6339 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gray unicorn 04:59 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2238 points, 4695 turns, killed by a soldier ant 04:59 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 05:04 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5542 points, 5241 turns, killed by a vampire bat 05:04 [EU] [D]: joes (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 640 points, 2681 turns, killed by a guard (and one other game not reported) 05:10 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:10 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:10 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:10 weird - did the code change recently for touchstones? when I rub a blessed touchstone against unknown gems, I get "scritch, scritch". (the gray stone came from an archaeologist bones, so I'm assuming it's a touchstone) 05:12 sounds like a bug 05:12 unless the gem is metallic for some reason 05:13 aye - I'm getting the behavior in the current tnnt release 05:13 I mean live tnnt 05:14 I'll log a bug into the system - devs must know if any code has changed recently (should be diffable) 05:17 hmm 05:17 the code was touched recently 05:17 it was related to the butterfiles bug 05:17 ahh... ...as I suspected 05:18 lets see 05:19 here is the commit https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/423bce2bf62abe1b941f452695f106bd30f32f4c 05:19 no wait, never mind 05:19 or hm 05:20 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 05:20 wait, I'm not hallucinating, but I AM BLIND 05:20 When I ascended last weekend the touchstone worked as expected. 05:20 so maybe it's NOT A BUG 05:21 xD 05:21 sounds like it's right - If I'm rubbing while BLIND, all I can hear is "Scritch, Scritch" - stennowork's comment about hallucinating made me check 8^P 05:21 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 713 points, 1799 turns, killed by a rabid rat 05:22 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/15dbf661d96d98332718b71ebd3e42bd1a1e5bf9/src/apply.c#L2387 05:22 So if not blind you see streaks or scratch marks but there's no message regarding what you hear? 05:22 when you are blind, you will always get the scritch message 05:22 hahaha - you're right - there should also be sound! rofl 05:22 not a bug 05:23 in the weird world of nethack you either get the sound or the id, not both - hehehe 05:24 sanity-check reveals that I was insane 05:24 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 51 points, 183 turns, killed by a fox 05:24 its a bit of a bizarre mechanism 05:24 i wonder if it was intended that way 05:25 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25 this implies that you can identify a touchstone reliably by being blind 05:26 DANG - good point! 05:26 you can always reliably ID one 05:26 can you try with a normal other stone? 05:26 you just have to rub it on metal 05:26 and you don't need metal 05:26 well...what do the other stones do while blind 05:26 rub a flint or luckstone on a gem while blind n see 05:26 I was missing metal in my last Priest run (relying on unihorn) 05:27 ah no 05:27 you'd get 'scritch scritch' for any gray stone 05:27 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 05:27 so all is fine 05:28 so all gray stones will scritch scritch against gems, but touchstones are special - in addition, they will scritch scritch against metal 05:29 It's not 100% consistent. You should be hearing "scritch, scritch" regardless of whether you are blind or not. 05:29 that's true 05:30 ok - time for some Zzz's - that's my TIL for nethack - gn ^^ 05:31 dito :) 05:38 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5707 points, 5046 turns, killed by a mind flayer 05:52 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:03 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2471 points, 3433 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 06:18 [EU] [D]: wvc (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3375 points, 2585 turns, killed by a dart 06:22 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 06:22 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:30 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1066 points, 1587 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 06:31 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: spontiff] 06:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 7202 points, 5789 turns, killed by a black unicorn 06:43 I wonder if 'scritch scritch' is another case that mistakenly ignores Deaf. 06:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:44 yes it is. 06:44 @Tone you still wrting a list? 06:44 yes it is 06:44 vanilla bug 06:45 should i report? do you want to? 06:46 i will jsut report it 06:46 [US] [A]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2768302 points, 47502 turns, ascended (and 39 other games not reported) 06:46 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1573376948.tnnt.html 06:46 grats Porkman 06:47 that should complete the great wizard for our team 06:48 stennowork: if he's writing a list, better to give them all at once than to pelt them with individual cases 06:48 and when is the list complete? 06:48 when do you plan on sending the list? 06:49 I suppose when we go a certain amount of time with no one else finding any 06:50 [Tr] porkman now has Both Genders! 06:51 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1024 points, 1511 turns, killed by a dingo 06:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52 <@bubbles> Tone has a list? 06:52 <@bubbles> Of everyone who's naughty and nice! 06:52 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2354 points, 2696 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 06:52 Porkman, congratulations on your multitude of genders 06:52 Am I on both of them? 06:53 Andrio, on neither 07:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-12 12:00 UTC: Games: 109, Asc: 5, Scum: 17. 458041 turns, 13067189 points. 5d 21:59 gametime. (39%Wiz), (59%Hum), (50%Neu), (53%Fem), 18d 11:59 remaining. 07:05 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Cav-Hum-Fem-Law), 12466 points, 7756 turns, killed by a human mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:08 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 1205 points, 1445 turns, killed by a gnome lord 07:10 <@bubbles> Oh I thought Andrio was asking if he was on both of Pork's genders 07:10 <@bubbles> Verrrry confusing 07:11 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1976 points, 2359 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 07:11 oh... I am on those. 07:17 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 374 points, 1765 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kitten, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:22 lay off of the shrooms man 07:22 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5383 points, 4261 turns, killed by a giant beetle 07:22 Nah, man 07:27 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:28 <@bubbles> Drugs are bad mmmkay 07:36 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 782 points, 1061 turns, killed by a gnome 07:36 <@bubbles> !asc dragonspeaker 07:36 @bubbles: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker has not ascended in 163 games. 07:36 <@bubbles> Weird, feels like more than 163 07:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 339 points, 525 turns, killed by a werejackal 07:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 81 points, 155 turns, killed by a water moccasin 07:41 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 945 points, 2883 turns, killed by a giant spider 07:42 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1349 points, 1627 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 07:54 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1108 points, 1568 turns, killed by a hill orc 07:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 548 points, 2733 turns, killed by a bat 07:55 <@bubbles> If combat was massively slowed down would people hate it? 07:56 <@bubbles> e.g. if you had reactive defensive abilities, such that when you get hit you can choose to attempt a block/dodge, etc? 07:56 <@bubbles> But if you had to do that on many hits it might become annoying or not? 07:57 Why would you not do that? 07:58 <@bubbles> Not do what? 07:58 <@bubbles> Block? Ah it would based on another Pw stat 07:59 <@bubbles> So you would have to choose which incoming attacks you want to block/dodge 07:59 <@bubbles> As in, it would be a Pw-like thing called "Balance or Reactions" 07:59 <@bubbles> So it would regen moderately fast, but you have to use tactically 08:00 <@bubbles> If you are more vulnerable to one of the attacks than another that you know are going to be used against you maybe you save up some balance for that 08:00 <@bubbles> like lack cold resistance, up against a lich-like thing 08:00 <@bubbles> Might want to block his cold attack rather than some other monster's physical attack 08:01 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1042 points, 3077 turns, killed by a wand 08:01 <@bubbles> Also making shields more powerful since they would drain less balance than an all-out dodge attempt 08:02 bubbles: its fine if you make levels smaller 08:02 if time spent per level remains the same i think people would be fine with it 08:04 <@bubbles> Gotcha, or fewer enemies 08:04 <@bubbles> Actually that's a really interesting data point to try and mine, I wonder if K2 could gather stuff like average time spent per level etc. 08:04 might want to reconsider zoos ;9 08:04 <@bubbles> Aye 08:04 <@bubbles> I'd prefer fewer, harder enemies in general 08:05 <@bubbles> For me at least, and maybe I am broken, my favourite moments are when I'm searching my inventory every turn of combat, working out exactly what the next best move is, rather than just mowing stuff down 08:05 i think looking into inventory should cost an action 08:06 or at least have some disadvantage to rummaging through your backpack when you have a lich breathing down your neck 08:06 <@bubbles> Well bubblehack open inventory is going to be significantly more restricted 08:07 but i guess it could be fixed by drastically lowering how many slots you have in inventory and add "pocket"-like containers 08:07 <@bubbles> All containers will act like a boh (to a degree) and in return you can carry way fewer items in open inventory, encumbered will be a much bigger combat hit, less big movement hit 08:07 [EU] [D]: snes (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 174740 points, 24042 turns, burned by molten lava 08:07 <@bubbles> ^ ^ ^ 08:07 <@bubbles> You read my mind 08:07 sounds nice 08:07 <@bubbles> Especially stuff like lugging around extra body armour 08:07 combine iron ball with chest and make a cart 08:07 <@bubbles> Fine if you put it away in a sack or whatever, but you shouldn't be able to hold three suits of chain mail in your "backpack" 08:08 <@bubbles> We're not cataclysm yet!!! 08:08 cataclysm? 08:08 <@bubbles> Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead 08:08 <@bubbles> post apocalyptic roguelike, but you need to get shopping trolleys to move your junk around 08:08 never played it 08:08 sounds cool though (postapoc part, not the trolley) 08:09 <@bubbles> I will prototype this active combat 08:09 <@bubbles> I could never get into it much tbh 08:09 roguelikes more advanced than nethack do not survive my attention span very well 08:10 i suppose 'complex' is a better word than advanced 08:10 <@bubbles> Yeah I don't want to make everything TOO weird 08:10 <@bubbles> That's the reason I can't get into slex 08:10 its difficult to find a roguelike more complex than nethack 08:10 the problem with slex is its adding things when it should be removing things 08:10 (complex as in, complex to operate) 08:10 nethack is not so complex 08:10 Dwarf Fortress? 08:10 i find adom much more complex 08:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2040 points, 1807 turns, killed by a Mordor orc called Oggrisairuk of Goragoru 08:11 Murder orcs 08:11 and stretching the roguelike definition far enough you have dwarf fortress yeah 08:11 Well, Dwarf Fortress has an adventure mode 08:12 some roguelike explode the screen with a bunch of "increase stat x,y,z? choose 2 of the following 3 perks, some of which affect which one you get and the ones you have affects which ones are shown" 08:12 when you level up 08:12 dwarf fortress is not a roguelike 08:12 while nethack just goes *ding* 08:12 You feel more confident in your skills. --More-- 08:13 yeah thats all it does. and then it only increases skills you actually use 08:13 so youre not presented with a spiderweb of advancement options when you open the screen 08:13 <@bubbles> nethack has a lot of "hidden" complexity, but the operating interface is much simpler 08:13 <@bubbles> You have a small number of verbs 08:13 "you hit things with axe. want to be better with axe?" 08:13 <@bubbles> That interact in a large number of ways 08:14 lets not mix up complexity with sophistication 08:14 in DF adventure mode, do i have to select which body part i am aiming at 08:14 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 51 points, 408 turns, killed by a kobold 08:14 i mean i would assume that its a bit like fallout 08:15 you have a certain chance to hit a specific body part 08:15 why do you make that assumption 08:15 i never played DF so i dunno 08:15 if you actually declare which body part you want to attack, you get a to-hit malus depending on the 'importance' of the body part 08:15 well because DF goes into very deep detail 08:15 it has damage zones 08:16 most of my character builds in fallout couldn't do that because i liked the perk that makes you shoot more often during a turn 08:16 https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Health_screen 08:16 fallout would make an interesting roguelike 08:16 yes 08:17 its also very approachable by people with an rpg background 08:17 DF is like, 'you have a slightly painful scratch at your left middle finger' or so 08:17 most roguelikes aren't 08:25 <@Tone> aosdict: Yeah I have a few other deaf inconsistencies that I've been keeping track of still 08:25 <@Tone> The instrument stuff took care of a lot of them 08:28 <@bubbles> ... 08:28 <@bubbles> "Tone deaf" 08:28 <@bubbles> chortles 08:29 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 22361 points, 8250 turns, killed by a warhorse 08:29 <@bubbles> Splitting physical and magical damage reduction, reasonable or too much? 08:29 <@bubbles> Sorry for all the questions 😦 08:31 -!- jannis has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:34 <@Tone> Totally reasonable 08:35 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:42 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1379 points, 1713 turns, killed by a falling rock 08:57 plz help, how can I make pits not be black ^ in 363? 08:57 Turn off use_darkgray 08:58 Andrio: \o/ 08:58 thank you! 09:05 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 4488 points, 12857 turns, killed by the wrath of Quetzalcoatl 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] hackedhead (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 6473 points, T:5220, killed by a snake 09:15 Whoah 09:15 get baned 09:15 After i destroyed Magicbane in a BoH-Accident i hoped for a good Weapon 09:15 Already got Sting as a Gift earlier ☹ 09:15 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:25 <{Demo}> imagine nethack but fast paced 09:25 Spelunky? 09:26 Speedruns of NetHack? 09:26 <{Demo}> idk it was a dream I had and it was a lot of fun 09:26 how can a rogueliek be fast-paced 09:26 Spelunky. 09:27 <{Demo}> I don't know 09:27 Depends on how strictly you define a roguelike. 09:27 <{Demo}> god 09:27 <{Demo}> not this again 09:28 i define it without having realtime elements 09:28 i think thats a sensible definition 09:28 Then by definition, it can't be fast paced unless you're speedrunning. 09:28 i always found the unnethack ascension run to be fast-paced even though that doesn't make much sense of course 09:28 but being turn based is not the most unique aspect of roguelikes 09:28 <{Demo}> well it wouldn't be a roguelike 09:28 lots of high pressure situations 09:28 <{Demo}> it would be nethack though 09:29 <{Demo}> but in a different format 09:29 permadeath and randomly generated levels are much more roguelike-ish qualities than turn based play 09:29 disagree 09:30 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 783 points, 1381 turns, killed by an imp 09:30 so if you took out randomly generated levels so each play is the same, and let you continue from the stairs every time you died 09:30 would that be a more roguelike experience than if you simply made nethack realtime 09:30 <{Demo}> I want a face paced real time action version of nethack 09:31 try diablo 09:31 ~~(and/or Spelunky)~~ 09:32 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1951 points, 2474 turns, killed by a hill orc, while praying 09:35 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 09:35 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:35 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 09:37 <{Demo}> I have a vision in my head now 09:37 <{Demo}> of what I'm looking for 09:37 you can let turns timeout 09:37 like, 1 secodn timeout for each turn 09:38 <{Demo}> nope 09:38 <{Demo}> I've got a way better vision 09:39 <@Tone> Isn't that sort of like Barony? 09:39 <@Tone> or maybe wazhack 09:39 wazhack has realtime elements? 09:39 ~~Crypt of the NecroDancer~~ 09:39 <@luxidream> Make hunger real-time instead of turncount based 09:39 <@luxidream> :p 09:40 <@Tone> I haven't played it, maybe it isn't actually real time 09:40 necrodancer is special 09:40 <@luxidream> wazhack is turnbased Tone 09:40 <@Tone> Ah, nevermind then 09:40 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:40 <@luxidream> but everyone plays it like it isn’t 09:41 people play wazhack? 09:41 <@Tone> Yeah I watched dynast stream it briefly, assumed it was real time 09:41 <@Tone> Barony though, pretty sure that one is actually real time 09:42 <@luxidream> tomenet is real time 09:43 <@luxidream> because there will never be good roguelike multiplayer 09:44 really not a fan of the aesthetic in barony 09:45 may sound weird coming from a nethacker but we've had enough games with the lazy minecraft look 09:46 i think the biggest problem with combining roguelike and multiplayer is permadeath 09:46 I think the biggest problem is turn-based mechanics 09:47 not sure whether there's a good solution to that 09:47 one turn every 10 secs, and you queue up your actions 09:47 have a responsive UI that alerts you whenever something interferes with your plans and it should be fine 09:48 acehack-multiplayer has shown how horrible this is 09:48 acehack-mp still had its own time passed for each player though 09:48 it only got nasty if there was more than one player on the same level 09:49 Or if someone saved and quit with unpaid shop goods 09:49 heh 09:49 or that, ys 09:49 it doesn't have to be too bad. turnbased games with other players have existed for a very long time 09:49 Trouble is that NetHack is so much variation in how long a turn can take. 09:49 alex___, trust me, in theory it sounds better than it is :D 09:50 if we can avoid that two players ever share the same level, then its totally fine 09:50 just make sure that the travel command is the main way of movement 09:50 That did help a lot, yes. 09:50 however is it PvP or are all players considered friendly 09:50 yeah travelling helps 09:51 all players were friendly 09:51 uhitu is not implemented :P 09:51 that makes it a bit easier 09:51 well, AceHack (and Necrodancer) at least solve that by not allowing players to harm each other 09:51 to the point of being immune to genocide by each other 09:51 poison cloud? 09:51 <{Demo}> in real time nethack, speed boots would be so much less powerful 09:51 <@luxidream> I can still zap wands at the other player though 09:51 We tried that and the game crashed. 09:51 ^ 09:51 Heh 09:51 NecroDancer used to have speed boots 09:52 They got removed because they were overpowered and probably hard to use 09:52 <@luxidream> They were horrendously broken 09:52 <@luxidream> and necessary for speedruns 09:52 mm 09:52 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 09:53 <{Demo}> speed boots in real time nethack would have to slow down enemies 09:53 and what about other players 09:54 <@luxidream> in real time nethack I beat demogorgon by holding down a button for auto repeat 09:54 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 577 points, 2630 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:55 <{Demo}> real time nethack would have a tile system but wouldn't lock the player or monsters to it 09:55 <{Demo}> ugh I just remembered a dream I had last night where I kept falling in water in nethack 09:56 disturbingly i've had one with that too. messes with your mind doesnt it 09:56 [US] [A]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3007610 points, 65499 turns, ascended 09:56 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/tnnt/dumplog/1572762979.tnnt.html 09:56 TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: 100 ascended games. 09:57 eyy 09:58 wewt 09:58 <@Tone> congrats @malor 😄 09:59 <@malor> thanks 10:00 [Tr] malor now has Both Genders! 10:08 [US] [D]: parad0xx (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 320 points, 1670 turns, killed by an acid blob 10:10 whoa 10:10 parad0xx are you here? 10:16 -!- Hratt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:19 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 341 points, 728 turns, killed by a bear trap 10:21 no parad0xx :( 10:26 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1415 points, 3230 turns, killed by a kobold mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:27 -!- Hratt has joined #hardfought 10:27 [US] [D]: OneColdCanuck (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1215 points, 2493 turns, killed by a dwarf king 10:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:29 [US] [D]: malor (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 269 points, 551 turns, killed by a housecat 10:32 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:39 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:46 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:50 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 10:52 <@bubbles> Congratz @malor mr 100! 10:52 <@malor> thanks. 10:52 [US] [D]: Ziberian (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1420 points, 3044 turns, killed by a dwarf 10:53 <{Demo}> yani: library book where you can borrow a book for X turns and if you don't bring it back and renew it you get harassed by an angry librarian rodney style 10:54 <@bubbles> New role "student" where all your starting inv is "borrowed" 10:54 <@bubbles> So you get harassed by your librarian god throughout the game 10:58 !tell k2 my game seems to be hung after stoning the deathmatch npc 10:58 Will do, oh6! 11:03 [US] [D]: ansic (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 92 points, 465 turns, killed by a large mimic 11:03 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:06 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1916371 points, 100723 turns, poisoned by Pestilence (with the Amulet), while fainted from lack of food 11:07 <@PeterQ> Stuck in a doorway between Pestilence and Famine... 11:08 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 71595 points, 16499 turns, killed by a devteam member called Mike Stephenson 11:10 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1528 points, 5064 turns, killed by a wand 11:14 Couldn't kill Famine quickly enough? 11:15 yaaay, finally 🙌 11:16 Ooh 11:16 We always got Stormbringer from crowning 11:18 Well, as a Wizard i would get the Spellbook of Finger of Death from Crowning, no? 11:19 yes 11:19 If you're not already carrying one. 11:20 *nod* 11:25 * APic just found this Bones on DLvl 18: Raisse-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha, killed by a troll, while reading a book. 11:25 Probably Bones are not shared between normal 3.6.3-hdf and Tournament 11:26 Mh, another SDSM 11:26 [US] [D]: malor (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2876 points, 3040 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 11:27