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00:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1462 points, T:1472, killed by a gold golem
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00:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Magic Mirror of Merlin", on T:33307
00:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:33308
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00:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2215 points, 2659 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 55 other games not reported)
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00:18 <Croesus> [US] [A]: eraserhead97 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1511498 points, 32285 turns, ascended
00:18 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/tnnt/dumplog/1572761418.tnnt.html
00:19 <Croesus> [Tr] eraserhead97 now has Both Genders!
00:19 <Croesus> [R] Clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles advances to rank 3!
00:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 33 points, 164 turns, killed by a jackal (and 54 other games not reported)
00:21 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> lmao a sewer rat killed my kitten and grew up into a giant rat
00:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 668 points, T:1435, killed by a rothe
00:32 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> "You put 22 rocks into the bag.  Your movements are now unencumbered." :D
00:33 <Andrio> \o/
00:33 <Andrio> Plot twist: you cheated and the bag was on the floor
00:33 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> lol
00:34 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> also literally 2 luckstones, one in a shop, one just lying on the floor
00:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: truculent (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 439 points, 2153 turns, killed by a gnome zombie
00:34 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> by Dlvl 4
00:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: karibou (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2050 points, 3341 turns, killed by a soldier ant
00:36 <Andrio> well, I just reached Minetown and I already have 2 gray stones called safe.
00:36 <Andrio> Oh, it's Orcish Town.
00:39 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> D:
00:42 <Andrio> The dagger hits it. You hear a mumbled curse.
00:42 <Andrio> 'Darn it! The wand of make invisible in a long 1-wide corridor didn't work!'
00:42 <Andrio> In other news, I'm now invisible.
00:43 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> lmaoooo I just found a second BoH
00:44 <Andrio> Gimme
00:44 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> hmmmm, I could put it in the swap chest when I get there... I'll probably die first tho lol
00:46 <Andrio> More red 5o orcs.
00:49 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1925 points, 3470 turns, killed by a lynx (and 55 other games not reported)
00:50 <Croesus> [US] [A]: Luxidream (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1029324 points, 39175 turns, ascended (and 3 other games not reported)
00:50 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572837415.tnnt.html
00:54 <bug_sniper> yasi: if you break or cancel a wand of wish, it should count as one genie kill per charge
00:58 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 884 points, 1421 turns, killed by a bugbear, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and 27 other games not reported)
01:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-04 06:00 UTC: Games: 481, Asc: 5, Scum: 398. 445878 turns, 8404307 points. 4d 17:38 gametime. (29%Tou), (67%Hum), (43%Neu), (72%Fem), 26d 17:59 remaining.
01:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 677 points, 2048 turns, killed by a magic missile
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01:06 <dbanethacker> Hey - I think I'm in the coding room section as I'm talking to developers about returning a scroll of missing code.
01:06 <Beholder> dbanethacker: Message from K2 at 2019-11-03 10:59 EST: good catch with the wet towel thing
01:06 <dbanethacker> Aw, shucks - I was glad to spot it.
01:07 <dbanethacker> So I'm reading some graffiti? on the floor and it says "Beware - PEBCAK disposal area".  It should be spelled PEBKAC in future versions if possible.
01:08 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1531 points, 3628 turns, killed by a rothe
01:08 <dbanethacker> I guess they're both the same thing, but we always started with the keyboard and ended with the chair.  They have it the other way around.
01:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1091 points, 2237 turns, killed by a rock piercer
01:09 <dbanethacker> Just my $0.02 - grin!
01:10 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 7341 points, 6499 turns, killed by a vampire lord (and one other game not reported)
01:12 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 25 points, 304 turns, killed by a sewer rat
01:15 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 373 points, 1946 turns, killed by a little dog
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01:22 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 543 points, 1316 turns, killed by a small mimic
01:22 <dbanethacker> Hey K2 - Paxed says he has your ten bucks !  (grin!)
01:23 <paxed> he just needs to come and collect
01:24 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 145 points, 367 turns, killed by a scroll of earth, while helpless
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01:32 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 827 points, 2880 turns, killed by a scroll of earth
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01:35 <dbanethacker> LOL
01:38 <bug_sniper> why is tnnt only on hardfought and not also on nao?
01:40 <Croesus> [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 4678 points, 3504 turns, killed by an owlbear
01:42 <bug_sniper> nevermind, it's there too
01:47 <raisse> the next question is: why does my irc client highlight #nethack and #tnnt when I die, but not #hardfought? (even when I'm currently on a completely different channel)
01:49 <dbanethacker> Every time I get kicked out from freenode when I come back I choose either #tnnt or #hardfought.  But when I go into the room it's empty, so I have to choose the other room.  Then that one has all of us in it.  Go figure.
01:50 <dbanethacker> Right now it says we're all in #hardfought.  But there are times when I choose #hardfought and then we're all in #tnnt.  It's as buggy as version 1.0 of Hack !!!
01:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: dingotron (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 298 points, 1124 turns, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food
01:56 <bug_sniper> no, we're all in #hardfought and some of us are also in #tnnt
01:56 <bug_sniper> but hexchat is buggy too
01:57 <bug_sniper> I went there and back here, and it indicated the wrong people as ops and voiced
01:59 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 874 points, 1044 turns, killed by an iguana (and 24 other games not reported)
02:01 <dbanethacker> Ok, thanks bug_sniper, I'll just join #hardfought from now on.
02:01 <dbanethacker> Time to go to bed - I guess the time really changed.  Good luck to all !
02:06 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4705 points, 5680 turns, killed by an elven arrow
02:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 241 points, 357 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping (and 68 other games not reported)
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02:13 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3465 points, 3788 turns, killed by an orcish arrow
02:20 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 490 points, 1236 turns, killed by a little dog
02:25 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 338 points, 1061 turns, killed by a large kobold
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02:43 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2682 points, 2828 turns, quit (and 8 other games not reported)
02:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 68 points, 248 turns, killed by touching Sunsword (and 21 other games not reported)
02:47 <Croesus> [US] [A]: thegame (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3059564 points, 105000 turns, ascended
02:47 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/thegame/tnnt/dumplog/1572605987.tnnt.html
02:49 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3459 points, 3464 turns, killed by a mumak
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02:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 224 points, 1232 turns, killed by a goblin (and 6 other games not reported)
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02:59 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 728 points, 1651 turns, killed by a little dog
03:00 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 15 points, 133 turns, killed by a kobold zombie
03:02 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1274 points, 2213 turns, killed by an orcish arrow (and 19 other games not reported)
03:11 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: ScienceBall (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 204 points, 1363 turns, killed by a system shock
03:13 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 647 points, 2129 turns, killed by a rothe
03:14 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 52 points, 247 turns, killed by a jackal
03:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 501 points, 2057 turns, killed by an anti-magic implosion (and 61 other games not reported)
03:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 381 points, 940 turns, killed by a fox
03:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 38830 points, 23468 turns, killed by a forest centaur, while frozen by a potion
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03:31 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4004 points, 6242 turns, killed by a human mummy
03:33 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 492 points, 2298 turns, killed by a manes, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and one other game not reported)
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03:35 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 532 points, 1157 turns, killed by a dart (and 10 other games not reported)
03:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 260 points, 858 turns, killed by a water moccasin
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03:40 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Ran-Orc-Fem-Cha), 757 points, 1566 turns, killed by an imp (and one other game not reported)
03:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Ran-Orc-Fem-Cha), 497 points, 864 turns, killed by a dwarf
03:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 784 points, 877 turns, killed by a gnome (and 63 other games not reported)
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03:50 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 587 points, 1218 turns, killed by a rothe (and 50 other games not reported)
03:56 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 93 points, 209 turns, killed by a sewer rat (and 36 other games not reported)
03:58 <bhaak> Mandevil: the scoreboard doesn't yet link to the HTML dumplogs on hdf for those that support it
03:58 <Mandevil> Which one? TNNT scoreboard or NHS?
03:59 <bhaak> NHS
03:59 <bhaak> didn't check TNNT
04:00 <Mandevil> Yeah, there's a little problem with it.
04:01 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 269 points, 1150 turns, killed by a gnome (and 6 other games not reported)
04:01 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: Luxidream (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 9908 points, 6168 turns, quit (and one other game not reported)
04:01 <bhaak> I was looking at what fonts to use for html dumps to properly align up on all devices and then I was looking at what the 3.6 derivatives use in the CSS
04:03 <Mandevil> 'monospace' not enough?
04:03 <bhaak> no.
04:04 <bhaak> on iOS, there was a strange effect that empty spaces didn't have the same width as everything else. that's why unnethack outputs &nbsp; for them.
04:04 <bhaak> but that seems to be better now.
04:04 <bhaak> but if you look at https://bhaak.net/nethack/unnethack.html
04:04 <bhaak> and set the font-family to different fonts, you see that some align and some don't.
04:05 <Mandevil> bhaak: Did you try to use non-breaking space (U+00A0)
04:05 <Mandevil> ?
04:05 <bhaak> yes. that's &nbsp; :-)
04:05 <Mandevil> I mean you don't need to use actual HTML entity.
04:05 <Mandevil> Saves few bytes.
04:06 <bhaak> yes but I like to have it explicit.
04:07 <Mandevil> On my Linux that page shows correctly.
04:07 <Mandevil> No alignment problems at all.
04:07 <bhaak> because you use Dejavu Sans Mono :-)
04:07 <Mandevil> The best font.
04:07 <Mandevil> Why would anyone use anything else ;-)
04:08 <bhaak> on OSX, the default monospace on Chrome takes the Omega from a different font than the rest, and thus alignment problems
04:08 <Mandevil> In IE11 on Win10 all is fine too
04:08 <Mandevil> Haha.
04:08 <bhaak> Menlo does work though, and Courier New
04:08 <Mandevil> Apple sucks, what else do you need to know?
04:08 <bhaak> mom, try again
04:09 <Mandevil> Or you think that taking omega from another font is a good solution?
04:09 <Mandevil> For the default monospace font?
04:09 <bhaak> what should it do if that glyph isn't in the default font? :)
04:09 <Mandevil> The default font should perhaps be sufficiently all-encompassing.
04:10 <Mandevil> Greek alphabet is something that's used a lot in many different contexts.
04:10 <bhaak> it's a bit strange that it takes Monaco when there is much better fonts available like Menlo, etc.
04:11 <bhaak> but on Android that didn't work as well, problem is, this is much more hard to debug there :-)
04:11 <Croesus> [US] [A]: kcostell (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1854938 points, 34596 turns, ascended
04:11 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kcostell/tnnt/dumplog/1572624637.tnnt.html
04:11 <Mandevil> Why don't you just use a chain of fallbacks?
04:12 <bhaak> I do now. but I first had to find out which one work :-)
04:12 <Mandevil> font-family: "Menlo", "DejaVu Sans Mono", "Courier", monospace;?
04:12 <bhaak> Courier is not good, at least on OSX. it needs to be "Courier New"
04:12 <Mandevil> Alternatively... output pure ascii dumps.
04:12 <Mandevil> OK, I meant Courier New.
04:12 <bhaak> pfff, there's the txt dump for that
04:13 <bhaak> then I also wondered why I didn't see a problem with the hdf dumps I looked at just this morning. they were fine. but yesterday I saw some dumps that weren't fine on iOS and Android.
04:14 <bhaak> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/93/93d140ca8e339a8ca10d7bbd778b57d6.png
04:14 <bhaak> this is what it looks like with just "monospace"
04:14 <Mandevil> That's not pretty even if it aligned well.
04:15 <Mandevil> HTML dumps are a nuisance :)
04:16 <bhaak> the not connecting lines is a problem that many fonts have. but the simple workaround is setting lineheight. but that's not needed with the right fonts
04:16 <Mandevil> Read: with properly designed fonts.
04:17 <Mandevil> The pseudographics drawing lines are supposed to cleanly connect.
04:18 <bhaak> yeah, but if you design a monospace font with a typewriter look in mind, I'm not sure if that was possible with physical typewriters
04:18 <Mandevil> Hm.
04:18 <Mandevil> You mean it's by design?
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04:19 <Mandevil> Well, typewriters didn't have these lines to begin with.
04:19 <Mandevil> At most you used - and |
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04:21 <bhaak> I wouldn't be so sure.
04:21 <bhaak> you had exchangeable typewriter thingies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter#/media/File:IBM_Selectric_typeball.jpg
04:22 <Mandevil> Well, this is not what Courier is imitating.
04:22 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3319 points, 5221 turns, killed by a white unicorn
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04:25 <bhaak> who knows? I'm not sure when the line drawing characters first appeared on what devices. at least in the 70s they were already quite ubiquitous on any terminals. but I don't know if there were any predecessors to that.
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04:32 <Mandevil> The section about using Selectric typewriters are computer terminals is very interesting.
04:32 <Mandevil> s/are/as/
04:35 <bhaak> the very first computers didn't have displays. the printed on a teletype or a bit later on electrical typewriters.
04:35 <Mandevil> I am aware of that.
04:36 <bhaak> this was the most surprising thing when I read the ASCII specifications. that they even in the 1960s still considered teletypes as important enough to influence the design of the universal character set.
04:37 <Mandevil> That's where that 'tty' devices in Unix is from.
04:37 <bhaak> yes
04:38 <Mandevil> I believe actual teletypes continued to be used into 80s?
04:39 <bhaak> likely but the question is how widespread the use was.
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04:39 <bhaak> you can still find fax machines in offices nowadays :-)
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04:41 <bhaak> hmm, now I try to remember if there were real teletypes in the original Tron movie or if the displays only mimicked the tty output patterns.
04:44 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4040 points, 3734 turns, killed by an arrow (and 16 other games not reported)
04:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 9544 points, 4938 turns, killed by a giant mimic
04:57 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1669 points, 3454 turns, killed by a rabid rat
05:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: kitty (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 777 points, 1730 turns, killed by an acidic corpse
05:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2231 points, 2195 turns, killed by a bear trap (and 27 other games not reported)
05:24 <Porkmantwo> oink
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05:25 <Porkman> ooooink
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05:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 629 points, 806 turns, killed by a manes (and 65 other games not reported)
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05:37 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 96 points, 855 turns, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse
05:40 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 428 points, 3274 turns, killed by a water moccasin, while fainted from lack of food
05:42 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 120 points, 534 turns, killed by a goblin
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05:52 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 285 points, 1331 turns, killed by a small mimic, while helpless
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06:09 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: elenmirie (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1632462 points, 35593 turns, ascended
06:09 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/tnnt/dumplog/1572763110.tnnt.html
06:09 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat advances to rank 3!
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06:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3275 points, 3124 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 25 other games not reported)
06:41 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1592 points, 2560 turns, killed by a fire ant
06:56 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 36967 points, 17796 turns, killed by a blue jelly
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07:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-04 12:00 UTC: Games: 1246, Asc: 8, Scum: 1095. 778398 turns, 15111916 points. 8d 00:48 gametime. (47%Wiz), (52%Hum), (43%Neu), (56%Fem), 26d 11:59 remaining.
07:02 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 357 points, 2236 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food (and one other game not reported)
07:04 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 894 points, 2886 turns, killed by a kobold lord
07:06 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1408 points, 2715 turns, killed by a killer bee (and one other game not reported)
07:08 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 678 points, 1721 turns, killed by a red naga hatchling (and 93 other games not reported)
07:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 708 points, 1042 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 36 other games not reported)
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07:19 <Porkman> you should at least give a message when grease wears off a BOH
07:20 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 397 points, 2401 turns, killed by a hobgoblin
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07:22 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 111 points, 153 turns, killed by a fox (and 4 other games not reported)
07:23 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 4552 points, 5492 turns, killed by a fire ant
07:23 <Croesus> [R] Clan Smile Mold advances to rank 16!
07:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1260140 points, 39011 turns, poisoned by Pestilence (with the Amulet) (and 4 other games not reported)
07:32 <NHrsa_> does kicking cockatrice corpse petrify you if not wearing boots
07:36 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> yes
07:44 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1871 points, 4118 turns, killed by a gold golem
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07:55 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 203 points, 754 turns, killed by a large kobold
08:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Noah (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 545 points, 1923 turns, killed by a gnome lord
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08:06 <bubbles_nhww> o/
08:07 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Smugzug (Ran-Orc-Mal-Cha), 780 points, 3154 turns, killed by a rock mole
08:10 <Andrio> 👋🏻
08:10 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1625 points, 3666 turns, killed by a blue jelly
08:10 <bubbles_nhww> megaidiot
08:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 17 points, 202 turns, killed by a sewer rat
08:12 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Dins (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2206 points, 3107 turns, killed by a kobold lord, while sleeping
08:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Noah (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 394 points, 1798 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
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08:23 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3188 points, 6438 turns, killed by a black unicorn
08:24 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 46 points, 147 turns, killed by a falling object
08:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 987 points, 673 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
08:24 <Croesus> TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: Five million turns played.
08:32 <bhaak> oh, that's a metric I have to steal
08:34 <aosdict> bhaak: there are also ones for number of games, etc
08:35 <aosdict> (insert ShivanHunter noting that most of those games are him startscumming)
08:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2752 points, T:3553, killed by a giant mosquito
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08:39 <K2> total nethack points scored also
08:39 * K2 slips in 'TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: DIRGE o/' while no one is looking
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08:40 <Hratt_> lol
08:41 <bhaak> but points are even more useless than turns :)
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08:45 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 561 points, 2568 turns, killed by a small mimic
08:45 <paxed> @ShivanHunter: i'm /still/ not seeing your bug report. the bug you mentioned here and went "lol" at.
08:47 <K2> bhaak: not for TNNT
08:47 <K2> plus it falls under 'fun facts'
08:50 <K2> hey @ShivanHunter
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08:54 <bubbles_nhww> Hey paxed <insert specific complaint that I'm never going to file a bug report about but instead nag you on IRC>
08:55 <K2> shivanhunter is hiding now
08:55 <paxed> bubbles_nhww: nope. he didn't even bug me.
08:56 <bubbles_nhww> I wonder if the bug I submitted 10 years ago got fixed
08:56 <bubbles_nhww> Fuck, 13 years.
08:57 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gnoll1gog (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 8827 points, 6278 turns, killed by a death ray
08:57 <aosdict> bubbles_nhww: I submitted a bug yesterday and it already got fixed
08:58 <aosdict> (they did not take my suggestion that a deaf hero should be unable to play music though)
08:58 <bubbles_nhww> aosdict I even submitted a patch to fix it
08:58 <bubbles_nhww> Deaf people can play music!
08:58 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gnoll1gog (Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu), 52 points, 152 turns, killed by a goblin
08:58 <K2> beethoven was deaf
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08:59 <aosdict> IRL yes, but IMO deafness needs more side effects. Currently it really only changes messages and prevents you from hearing what sort of special room is on the level.
08:59 <K2> oh i see the fixes now, i didnt last night
09:00 <bhaak> easy to fix. just add the scream attack of Nazguls
09:00 <K2> \o/
09:00 <aosdict> EPI: deafness affects your inner ear and causes you to be fumbling randomly while it persists
09:00 <bubbles_nhww> I can't find my bug report
09:01 <bubbles_nhww> It was when you stood on a ?ofScareMonster (or elbereth) and a monster moves onto a hidden trap next to you and dies
09:01 <bubbles_nhww> The messages went out of order "the blah dies. the blah turns to flee!"
09:01 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 927 points, 3181 turns, killed by the wrath of Tyr
09:02 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 789 points, 1555 turns, killed by a wererat, while sleeping
09:03 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 119 points, 628 turns, killed by a jackal
09:10 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 883 points, 1058 turns, killed by a gnome lord
09:11 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 709 points, 1971 turns, fell into a pit
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09:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3740
09:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2156 points, T:3943, killed by Izchak; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
09:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 891 points, T:2847, killed by a sewer rat
09:28 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 657 points, 1633 turns, killed by an air elemental of Thoth, while praying
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09:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:1260
09:49 <aosdict> paxed: in a recent commit, you added if (!leashable(mtmp)) m_unleash(mtmp, TRUE) inside newcham -- this doesn't check mtmp->mleashed so it produces a "Your leash falls slack" message every time a shapeshifter changes into anything nonleashable (I think)
09:49 <bubbles_nhww> shame up!
09:49 <bubbles_nhww> megashame :-\
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09:50 <aosdict> generalize that to any time any monster changes form
09:51 <bubbles_nhww> what is wrong with me today
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09:54 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 408 points, 2046 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
09:58 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1307 points, 4558 turns, killed by a minotaur
09:59 <bouquet> $lastgame bouquet
09:59 <Croesus> bouquet: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/tnnt/dumplog/1572833790.tnnt.html
09:59 <NHrsa_> !lastgame K2
09:59 <Beholder> NHrsa_: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nethack/dumplog/1570859200.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1571098974.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1571098911.evil.html
10:04 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 271 points, 1418 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported)
10:04 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 120 points, 322 turns, killed by a kitten
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10:07 <Entitas> I ended up generating my quest level without realizing something was going on. Now I just have a maze and no quest leader. Game unwinnable now?
10:08 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 7984 points, 6109 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf
10:09 <jonadab> Entitas: If it won't let you access the lower Quest levels, then yeah, no way to get the Bell.
10:10 <Entitas> Welp.
10:10 <aosdict> Entitas: K2 updated the game without checking to see if anyone was online.
10:10 <aosdict> (It's TNNT; of course players are online.)
10:10 <rld> <@luxidream> then he should get a recover, right?
10:11 <aosdict> I dunno, probably? Depends on when the last recover ws.
10:11 <aosdict> was
10:11 <aosdict> He just left for a couple hours.
10:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 682 points, 2025 turns, killed by a coyote
10:11 <aosdict> it happened to me too but fortunately it only affected juiblex and I can live without that level
10:12 <jonadab> "Can live without", heh.
10:12 <jonadab> But then how will you get the Wizard to spawn on Juiblex' level eight times during the ascension run, with the MF sending you back down below it every time?
10:12 <rld> <@luxidream> Did you count?
10:13 <Croesus> [US] [D]: truculent (Cav-Gno-Mal-Neu), 13006 points, 9318 turns, killed by a leocrotta
10:14 <rld> <@Tone> lol jonadab
10:14 <rld> <@Tone> Poor Anerag
10:15 <rld> <@Tone> Am I safe to continue my game right now or is there something going on?
10:15 <aosdict> If you saved and restored, yes.
10:16 <rld> <@Tone> Cool, thanks
10:16 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1257 points, 2136 turns, killed by a gnome, while sleeping
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10:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 49572 points, 11061 turns, choked on a food ration
10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Elf-Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11155
10:20 <Porkman>   I really should pay more attention to pestilence
10:23 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1414 points, 1911 turns, killed by a dwarf king
10:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 52 points, 213 turns, killed by a fox
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10:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2217 points, T:3935, killed by a gnome mummy
10:30 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 323 points, 1455 turns, killed by a bear trap
10:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Elf-Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:11517
10:33 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4001 points, 6836 turns, killed by a killer bee
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10:35 <Croesus> [US] [D]: LoneWolf (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 9805 points, 6837 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
10:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1952 points, 3293 turns, killed by an Elvenking
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10:43 <Croesus> [US] [D]: LoneWolf (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 822 points, 453 turns, killed by a sewer rat
10:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] hackedhead (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 465 points, T:1605, killed by an orc zombie
10:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 5090 points, 4458 turns, killed by a warg, while praying
10:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: LoneWolf (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 55 points, 151 turns, killed by a fox
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10:56 <Croesus> [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 439 points, 1657 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt
10:56 <bubbles_nhww> nooooo
10:56 <bubbles_nhww> what is WRONG with I am going to actually cry
10:56 <bubbles_nhww> guh
10:59 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1928 points, 2203 turns, killed by a water moccasin
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11:01 * Andrio hugs bubbles_nhww's ghost.
11:02 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2427 points, 3824 turns, killed by a yeti, while praying
11:02 <bubbles_nhww> \o/
11:02 <bubbles_nhww> synchrodeath
11:02 <bubbles_nhww> This is kinda hard because of being slow
11:02 <bug_sniper> 2 seconds apart
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11:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Elf-Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:13944
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11:04 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 592 points, 1846 turns, killed by a wand
11:07 <rld> <@luxidream> $who
11:07 <Croesus> @luxidream: [EU] elenmirie AlbertB Dins voffer Raisse spontiff swegen | [US] porkman Entitas towardsdawn Noah hothraxxa malor richards LoneWolf Ashpool Merlek Bliss56 aosdict | [AU] Grasshopper Andrio DarkLightDragon
11:11 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 264 points, 1564 turns, killed by Ms. Manlobbi; the shopkeeper
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11:13 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 7967 points, 5262 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 2 other games not reported)
11:17 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 343 points, 779 turns, killed by a dwarf
11:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 345 points, 2070 turns, killed by a giant bat
11:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 135918 points, T:14744, killed by a mirkwood elder
11:23 <Porkman> hmm
11:23 <Porkman> bones minetown
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Con Inc Fem Cha), 157 points, T:702, killed by a fox, while dragging an iron ball
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11:26 <Porkman> lol
11:27 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Muad (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 160074 points, 20602 turns, killed by Thoth Amon
11:27 <Croesus> TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: 50 days spent playning nethack.
11:27 <paxed> playning?
11:27 <paxed> K2: pfft
11:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1148 points, 1302 turns, killed by Izchak; the shopkeeper (and 3 other games not reported)
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11:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 714 points, 2413 turns, killed by a little dog
11:29 <FIQ> hi
11:29 <Beholder> Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought
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11:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10526
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11:32 <Porkman> did someoen take the SDSM i put in the chest?
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11:33 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: joes (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 4812 points, 12317 turns, killed by a soldier ant
11:35 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 390 points, 381 turns, killed by a hill orc (and 18 other games not reported)
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11:37 <bug_sniper> so what do those 2 commands do?
11:37 <bug_sniper> $who
11:37 <Croesus> bug_sniper: [EU] ToneHack swegen | [US] Entitas Noah porkman malor richards hothraxxa karibou LoneWolf Ashpool klintos Merlek Bliss56 aosdict | [AU] Andrio DarkLightDragon
11:38 <bug_sniper> !who
11:38 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] RyanHill [nh363] samiam [nh363] Entitas [tnnt] Noah [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] malor [tnnt] richards [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] karibou [tnnt] LoneWolf [tnnt] Ashpool [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] aosdict [tnnt] dragonspeaker [dnh] | [hdf-eu] ToneHack [tnnt] swegen [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Andrio [tnnt] DarkLightDragon [tnnt]
11:38 <bug_sniper> who needs $who when you can just !who?
11:41 <Porkman> oh for fucks sake
11:41 <Porkman> dig...fall into a massive food shop... cat starts eating all the tripe
11:43 <Muad> pet shop keepers hate him! this one trick will save you thousands on pet food
11:43 <Porkman> well, you kinda need to give it to him to increase apport
11:43 <klintos> anyone else seen a "Your leash falls slack" message, even though you have no leash?
11:49 <Croesus> [US] [D]: truculent (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1312 points, 2933 turns, killed by a killer bee
11:51 <rld> <@Tone> Interesting.  If you run out of inventory space while picking up multiple items, it will stop picking up items; even if other items would have stacked with others in your inventory.
11:52 <bubbles_nhww> !tell Chris_ANG There is a lichen corpse here, but you cannot lift any more. (I'm not encumbered)
11:52 <Beholder> Will do, bubbles_nhww!
11:52 <bubbles_nhww> klintos I think aosdict mentioned something leash-relevant 
11:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Ziberian (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 187 points, 615 turns, killed by a hobbit
11:53 <aosdict> klintos: recent bug introduced by paxed, I messaged him about it in this channel and I guess if that isn't enough I'll send a formal bug report
11:53 <aosdict> klintos: For now it just means a monster turned into something that can't be leashed.
11:54 <aosdict> bug_sniper: In #tnnt, you can't do !who because Beholder isn't there.
11:54 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: FIQ (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 24 points, 397 turns, killed by a goblin
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11:58 <klintos> it sounds harmless enough
11:59 <aosdict> yes just a messaging bug it seems to be
11:59 <paxed> aosdict: fixed
11:59 <aosdict> :O
11:59 <aosdict> and now we wait 4 hours for it to propagate to github :)
12:00 <aosdict> and then K2 wrecks everyone's special levels again by applying the fix
12:00 <paxed> aosdict: and when did you message me about it?
12:01 <paxed> ah, i see
12:01 <aosdict> about two hours ago
12:02 <K2> heh no that fix wont mess with special levels
12:02 <aosdict> if you rebuild and reinstall and overwrite the .lev files, I think it will still have the same effect as earlier
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12:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 960 points, 2453 turns, killed by a killer bee (and 16 other games not reported)
12:03 <aosdict> none of my or the devteam's commits compiled into today's build did anything with special levs
12:03 <K2> when updating the game, if its just a src file being updated (not counting objects or monst) this wont be a problem
12:03 <K2> anytime there's an include file change, i make spotless before compiling
12:04 <K2> otherwise you can have even more weird issues
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12:06 <aosdict> when a (nh3) variant author commits even a small bugfix, don't you usually make sure no one is playing that variant while you apply the fix, and kick them off if they're unresponsive?
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12:08 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 174 points, 801 turns, killed by a small mimic
12:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16114
12:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 313 points, 648 turns, killed by a gnome (and 20 other games not reported)
12:13 <Croesus> [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 5423 points, 7796 turns, killed by a magic missile
12:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16342
12:18 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 466 points, 1158 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse
12:19 <K2> aosdict ideally yes i try to make sure no one is playing. and no I dont kick anyone off
12:19 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 87375 points, 18959 turns, killed by a winged gargoyle
12:19 <K2> ideally being key word
12:20 <Croesus> [R] Clan Meanwhile in Europe advances to rank 10!
12:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 79 points, 613 turns, killed by a fox
12:21 <K2> aosdict to clarify - it depends on the type of fix or update. as i said earlier, if its just something in src/ you can compile and update and its fine
12:21 <K2> any changes to anything in include/ i always make spotless and recompile clean 
12:22 <K2> otherwise really stupid things can happen, more stupid than 3.6.x failsafe making a maze if there's a .lev mismatch
12:22 <aosdict> *do* you have some makefile that does not overwrite the .lev files when you make install, presuming there have been no changes to any of the .des?
12:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1692 points, T:2251, killed by an orc-captain
12:22 <K2> no
12:23 <K2> and i dont use 'make install'
12:23 <K2> doing that wipes saves, the xlogfile, everything
12:23 <K2> we use a bash script instead
12:24 <K2> hmm idea
12:24 <Porkman> Where can I learn to code nethack btw
12:24 <Porkman> how did amy do it
12:24 <K2> you want to delve into how amy's brain works?
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12:30 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1708 points, 1994 turns, killed by an arrow (and 4 other games not reported)
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12:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 799 points, 2839 turns, killed by a gnome king
12:33 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: niddler (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 550 points, 2616 turns, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food
12:33 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 9095 points, 3088 turns, quit
12:33 <bubbles_nhww> Porkman code nethack or code roguelike? :hmm:
12:33 <Porkman> to make a variant
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12:34 <bubbles_nhww> The nethack codebase is dark and full of terror!
12:35 <bubbles_nhww> But I'd say start by adding a new artifact and monster, then a branch, and go from there?
12:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 515 points, 2080 turns, killed by a giant ant
12:37 <bubbles_nhww> But I wouldn't know, I just yolo from scratch!!
12:37 <FIQ> I suggest using a NH4 codebase
12:37 <bubbles_nhww> ^ defo
12:37 <FIQ> either raw vanilla or fiqhack
12:38 <FIQ> unless you have any major interest in lowlevel engine internals, it doesn't really matter much which one
12:38 <bubbles_nhww> omg what is wrong with me
12:38 <FIQ> fiqhack does several rewrites
12:38 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: joes (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 166 points, 774 turns, killed by a boulder
12:38 <bubbles_nhww> fiqhack's monsters are meaner though?
12:38 <FIQ> mostly as a side effect of my item use AI refactor
12:38 <bubbles_nhww> With their As and their Is
12:38 <bubbles_nhww> Aye
12:39 <FIQ> and the fact that they now use player spells
12:39 <FIQ> and instead of being a roulette, they use spells intelligently instead of randomly
12:40 <FIQ> note here that "intelligently" still means it's just a basic ruleset of what they do and don't do
12:40 <FIQ> but considering how it used to be more or less completely random...
12:40 <bubbles_nhww> if playername == k2 { use touch of death }
12:40 <bubbles_nhww> etc
12:40 <Croesus> [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 254 points, 134 turns, killed by a giant rat (and 47 other games not reported)
12:41 <K2> if playername == k2 { give wand of wishing (0:100) }
12:41 <FIQ> there's also various helpers that are the only thing that can actually be considered somewhat intelligent and not just a basic "if x, do y"
12:41 <FIQ> things such as scoring the best use of directional wands, or where to place monsters
12:41 <FIQ> from summoning
12:41 <bubbles_nhww> defo stealing that stuff 
12:42 <FIQ> hmm
12:42 <FIQ> I should use the summoning code for master teleportation too
12:43 <FIQ> what the summoning AI code does is that it tries to figure out what gives their targets the most hostile effect
12:43 <FIQ> which also ought to work for master teleportation when used offensively
12:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:19338
12:46 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4926 points, 4345 turns, killed by a tiger
12:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2288 points, 5887 turns, killed by a giant ant, while being frightened to death
12:48 <Porkman> how scummy
12:48 <Porkman> grayswandir on t:1
12:49 <Porkman> which i am now probably going to go die and dump somewhere
12:49 <jonathanhanes> !who
12:49 <Beholder> jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] RyanHill [nh363] Nobbs [tnnt] Noah [tnnt] IceBox [tnnt] Lettuce [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] ansic [tnnt] karibou [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] jackofclubs [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] shadowcat | [hdf-eu] marie [nh363] Vis [nh363] spontiff [tnnt] mosen [tnnt] amateurhour [tnnt] asdf [tnnt] swegen [tnnt] FIQ [tnnt] joes [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players
12:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 769 points, 1305 turns, killed by a magic missile
12:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1122 points, 2001 turns, killed by a giant bat
12:52 <raisse> Porkman: die somewhere you have a chance to leave bones please
12:52 <Porkman> can i stuff it in a pearwood chest?
12:58 <K2> nope
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13:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-04 18:00 UTC: Games: 1604, Asc: 8, Scum: 1366. 1066837 turns, 16805757 points. 11d 16:22 gametime. (49%Wiz), (51%Hum), (43%Neu), (52%Fem), 26d 05:59 remaining.
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13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:20529
13:09 <bubbles_nhww> Hughning And Mugning + HalfDragon is funny
13:09 <jonathanhanes> 49% wizard wow
13:09 <bubbles_nhww> 25wis so you regen really fast
13:09 <bubbles_nhww> and can spam breath!
13:11 <bubbles_nhww> 5d6 acid bolt yum
13:12 <rld> <@Tone> aosdict:  I no longer hear my tooled horn making a grave frightful sound :)
13:13 <rld> <@Tone> There are more details though, I'm making a list.  Like toggling stealth says "You sure are noisy."
13:13 <rld> <@Tone> Perhaps that can be inferred without sound
13:15 <rld> <@IceBox> at least give us YAFM like "You sure are noisy (probably)"
13:15 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 914076 points, 29390 turns, killed by Pestilence (with the Amulet) (and one other game not reported)
13:15 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 113 points, 859 turns, killed by a fox
13:16 <Croesus> [R] Clan Smile Mold advances to rank 16!
13:16 <Croesus> [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 9!
13:17 <K2> you feel vibrations when walking
13:17 <K2> or something
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13:22 <jonathanhanes> do magic whistles still make a strange sound?
13:23 <jonathanhanes> I feel like there was another one I'd noticed but now I don't remember
13:25 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah they do
13:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 19681 points, 9705 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning
13:25 <rld> <@IceBox> tin whistles make a "high pitched sound"
13:25 <Porkman> i haz a magix lamp
13:26 <bubbles_nhww> Cursed has a chance of a low pitched humming noise
13:26 <bubbles_nhww> For magic, I think
13:26 <bubbles_nhww> Porkman wish for an end to poverty !!
13:26 <Porkman> cursed tin whistle makes a shrill sound that angers the watch
13:27 <jonathanhanes> If you're deaf the tin whistle just "Blows air up your nose" or something to that effect
13:28 <K2> your lips tickle
13:28 <eraserhead97> gray stone in a web - can't kick something in a web 8^P
13:29 <jonathanhanes> attack the web with a bladed weapon
13:30 <eraserhead97> when I use F-direction, it gives me You attack thin air.  Is there another way?
13:30 <bhaak> K2: how are you handling bones and save incompatible updates now?
13:30 <jonadab> Wear gauntlets of power, and get stuck in the web.
13:30 <jonadab> Tear your way out.
13:30 <eraserhead97> no GoP atm
13:30 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Lettuce (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3266 points, 5871 turns, killed by a raven
13:30 <jonadab> Personally, I think it should be possible to burn webs away with fire.
13:31 <eraserhead97> I'm in catacombs in search of luckstone atm 8^P
13:31 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 25 points, 104 turns, killed by a succubus
13:31 <jonadab> Oh, another option:  get stuck in the web; dig down with a pick-axe; crawl out of the pit; fill it with a boulder.
13:31 <jonadab> Oh, ait, that probably buries the stone, though.
13:31 <jonadab> *wait
13:31 <eraserhead97> maybe catacombs is undiggable?
13:31 <jonadab> Also, yes, Mine's ENd is undiggable floor.
13:31 <Croesus> [US] [D]: richards (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 47612 points, 15804 turns, killed by a warhorse, while praying
13:32 <jonadab> Zap teleport at the stone?
13:32 <eraserhead97> oh, that's smart
13:32 <Croesus> [R] Clan Smile Mold advances to rank 14!
13:33 <Porkman> a magic lamp makes mines exploration that much better
13:33 <rld> <@luxidream> $who
13:33 <Croesus> @luxidream: [EU] spontiff joes mosen saso amateurhour elenmirie swegen Dins HarmathZsolt Graznop | [US] Nobbs Noah hothraxxa tsingi LoneWolf truculent ansic karibou IceBox BEHiker91W porkman klintos Merlek eraserhead97 Bliss56 malor | [AU] No current players
13:34 <stenno\proc> thats a lot of players
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13:35 <bubbles_nhww> NOOOONOO
13:35 <bubbles_nhww> I hae everything
13:35 <bubbles_nhww> hate
13:35 <bubbles_nhww> I am going to go home
13:36 <bubbles_nhww> forever
13:36 <bubbles_nhww> ;_;
13:36 <K2> bhaak: for tnnt there wont be any save breaking updates
13:36 <stenno\proc> bubbles the whitewalker, killed by a crow
13:36 <K2> not during the actual tournement anyways
13:36 <K2> so thats not an issue
13:36 <K2> bhaak: do you mean overall?
13:37 <bubbles_nhww> That was quite fun though, I had chupo + H&M
13:37 <bubbles_nhww> And acid breath
13:37 <bubbles_nhww> Really fun actually :hmmm:
13:37 <bhaak> K2: yeah
13:37 <K2> stenno\proc so far the max players i've seen on hardfought was 45 (couple days ago)
13:37 <stenno\proc> wow!
13:37 <bhaak> K2: I mean, what are you going to do if the unthinkable happens and the devteam cranks out breaking changes on a weekly basis?
13:38 <stenno\proc> respect
13:38 <K2> bhaak: if a variant has a save breaking update, it installs into a completely new subfolder, and dgl can handle the transition from old version to new (if old save exists, play it else load new version)
13:38 <bhaak> K2: ah, great. like we had on un.nethack.nu then
13:39 <K2> yup
13:40 <jonadab> EPI: save files have a datestamp, and attempting to load them more than 4 hours after saving, results in the save file just being deleted because it was "too old".
13:40 <K2> stenno\proc i took a screenshot of it (plus there's an irclog of the !who I did)
13:40 <stenno\proc> :D
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13:40 <stenno\proc> an important milestone
13:40 <K2> yeah its nuts
13:40 <K2> it we hit 50 i will lose my mind
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13:41 <jonadab> K2: You know it's eventually going to hit 100.
13:41 <K2> i dont see how hahah
13:41 <K2> not even NAO gets that many at once do they?
13:41 <jonadab> PewDiePie will start playing in the tournament, and all his followers will go "oh cool".
13:42 <K2> wtf is pewdiepie
13:42 <jonadab> YouTube channel with the largest number of subscribers.  Does mostly Let's Plays and stuff, I think.
13:42 <stenno\proc> he is by far the biggest single content creator on youtube
13:42 <stenno\proc> just got 100 million subs recentely
13:43 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Graznop (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 558 points, 2723 turns, killed by a bolt of cold
13:45 <Porkman> the fuck is a vrock doing in mines
13:45 <Porkman> damn polytraps
13:46 <stenno\proc> vrock around the clock
13:46 <K2> has he ever showcased a roguelike?
13:47 <stenno\proc> nah
13:47 <stenno\proc> he played a few indie games though but i dont think nethack would be attractive to his audience
13:51 <K2> you should reach out and ask stenno
13:51 <K2> as was mentioned earlier, you only have to make him like it, rest will follow
13:52 <jonathanhanes> EPI: WoW have a minimum level requirement - no more getting lucky on dlvl 1 with 3 easy wished >:)
13:53 <jonathanhanes> tr
13:54 <Porkman> i once had a dlvl2 wand of wishing
13:54 <Porkman> thats the best i ever got
13:54 <K2> my current tnnt game, i found a 0:2 WoW in a shop
13:55 <jonathanhanes> but of course you're doing a wishless run right? :P
13:55 <jonadab> Isn't there at least one variant where wands of wishing don't randomly generate?
13:55 <Porkman> and i kinda forgot how good invisibility is in the starting
13:55 <K2> hm
13:55 <K2> jonathanhanes... um no :P
13:56 <K2> jonadab i wanna say sporkhack
13:56 <aosdict> stenno\proc: Surely there's some youtube channel that is automated and posts videos being constantly taken that puts out more content than a human ever can?
13:57 <stenno\proc> biggest as in number of subscribers
13:57 <aosdict> ok
13:58 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 4504 points, 4172 turns, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a potion
13:58 <Porkman> hah, the SDSM i put in the swap chest have gone
14:03 <NHrsa_> cursed chest
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14:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Noah (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 85427 points, 17648 turns, killed by invisible Ixoth
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14:10 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3260 points, 2534 turns, killed by a watch captain
14:16 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 700 points, 6855 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai
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14:20 <Porkman> potions of amnesia don't exist in vanilla, right?
14:20 <aosdict> right
14:21 <Porkman> so the worst thing that can happen quaffing unid'ed potions would be sickness
14:21 <Porkman> in a coaligned temple with locked doors and elbereth
14:22 <jonadab> Hallucination is annoying if you can't cure it.  Lasts FOREVER.
14:22 <Porkman> i am wielding grayswandir :)
14:22 <jonadab> Ah.
14:22 <jonadab> Less of a problem then.
14:23 <jonadab> Coaligned temple should prevent paralysis from being fatal.
14:23 <jonadab> Or sleep.
14:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Anerag (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5771 points, 3198 turns, killed by a gas cloud
14:23 <Porkman> well that worked out ok
14:24 <Porkman> none of em was nasty
14:26 <LarienTelrunya> Porkman: pingelingeling ;)  I've answered to your earlier question in the other channel, but if you like, we can also discuss it here ;)
14:26 <Porkman> ooh
14:27 <Porkman> lemme see
14:27 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Anerag (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 402 points, 611 turns, killed by an orc zombie
14:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 238 points, 536 turns, killed by a giant mimic
14:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Anerag (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 928 points, 1187 turns, killed by a gnome, while sleeping
14:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1398 points, 1814 turns, killed by a small mimic (and one other game not reported)
14:36 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 182 points, 765 turns, killed by a brown mold
14:37 <FIQ> I'm slightly worried that people using '_'
14:37 <FIQ> (or '//' or ';') followed by screen symbol won't realize that
14:37 <FIQ> they need to type in the default symbol rather than what
14:37 <FIQ> is visible.
14:37 <FIQ> ^ this is something I've always wondered how people using tilesets figure out
14:37 <FIQ> if they do at all?
14:37 <FIQ> or people using tilesets with nonstandard characters in general
14:38 <jonadab> You mean at the blessed geno prompt?
14:38 <FIQ> not just that
14:38 <FIQ> but for stuff like treavel
14:38 <jonadab> I think you can also type the class name as given by whatis?  Not certain about that.
14:38 <FIQ> *travel
14:38 <FIQ> context refers to farlook/travel/etc
14:39 <FIQ> it was part of PatR's reply to my report about fucking up the curses symset
14:39 <jonadab> Ah.
14:40 <FIQ> (the problem was fixed -- he also took in my suggestions about making iron bars use ≠ instead of # in DECgraphics in an earlier change he did)
14:40 <eraserhead97> !who
14:40 <Beholder> eraserhead97: [hdf-us] RyanHill [nh363] Merlek [tnnt] Lettuce [tnnt] ansic [tnnt] IceBox [tnnt] malor [tnnt] karibou [tnnt] Grouchy [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] luxor [slshm] dragonspeaker [dnh] Hratt [evil] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] Vis [nh363] marie [nh363] Graznop [tnnt] mosen [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] deki [tnnt] squolly [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] amateurhour [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players
14:40 <jonadab> # had the advantage of working for both vertical and horizontal orientation.
14:41 <FIQ> it was also the same symbol used for corridors
14:41 <jonadab> True.
14:41 <FIQ> which looked really dumb
14:41 <jonadab> Different color, though.
14:41 <FIQ> basically
14:41 <FIQ> recently he changed iron bars
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "y", on T:3009
14:41 <jonadab> It's an overused symbol, admittedly.  Too many meanings.
14:41 <eraserhead97> @Bliss56 thx for shield of reflection ^^
14:41 <FIQ> to instead of using pi
14:41 <FIQ> using #
14:41 <FIQ> and use pi for altars instead
14:42 <FIQ> that is what prompted me into making the suggestion
14:42 <FIQ> to not use # for bars but ≠
14:42 <FIQ> because it's kinda similar to IBMgraphics using the equavilence symbol
14:42 <FIQ> not ambiguous
14:42 <FIQ> and doesn't look dumb next to corridors
14:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 darts on an altar, on T:3210
14:47 <Porkman> why did the oracle get angry from me attacking a naga?
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: your EPI page lags behind two weeks; is there a chance that you make it "catch up" the ones from oct 16-30?
14:49 <eraserhead97> damn - already to Dlvl:15 and still no general store - painful without price id
14:51 <Porkman> teh further down you go the less likely to get a store
14:51 <Porkman> i only ever really get stores in D1 to 5
14:52 <eraserhead97> wow - I didn't know that - looks like I got a sucky RNG this game 8^P
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14:52 <eraserhead97> I never random quaff/read - looks like I might have to do it this game, tho
14:53 <Porkman> hahahahahaha
14:53 <Porkman> The quantum mechanic is killed.
14:53 <Porkman> The quantum mechanic is hit by a boulder!
14:53 <Porkman> The ceiling rumbles above the quantum mechanic!
14:53 <Porkman> The quantum mechanic reads a scroll labeled DUAM XNAHT!
14:53 <aosdict> eraserhead97: I've gotten stores on like level 27 below Medusa, so it CAN happen.
14:54 <bubbles_nh> implement dnhwishing!
14:54 <bubbles_nh> re: woW level requirements
14:54 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: AlbertB (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 188499 points, 34251 turns, dissolved in molten lava
14:54 <eraserhead97> cross-my-fingers
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a conical hat entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:3568
14:55 <bubbles_nh> stores are 3/dlevel or something?
14:55 <bubbles_nh> IF a valid room is generated
14:55 <Hratt_> What a nice gift.... a +4 dunce cap lol
14:56 <bubbles_nh> Perfect against h!
14:59 <eraserhead97> well, I shouldn't complain - I should be dead this game - in the Catacombs, I stupidly ran into a floating eye and got saved by a lucky amulet of LS (wore it unknown) and then I picked up a gray stone stuck in some spiderwebs, which of course, turned out to be a loadstone.  Dipping in the fountains there brought out (eventually) 3 water demons.
14:59 <eraserhead97> Only thing that saved me (so many times this game) was a wand of fire and a bunch of Es.
14:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:3580
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15:02 <eraserhead97> ok - this game forced me to learn quaff-id - reading wiki now
15:03 <eraserhead97> Hratt_ that should provide immunity against sucking from mind flayers ^^
15:04 <jonathanhanes> !lastgame albertb
15:04 <Beholder> jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh:AlbertB) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/nethack/dumplog/1571414988.nh.html
15:04 <Porkman> my previous wizard astralsplatted btw
15:05 <eraserhead97> oh - I didn't know about unihorn dipping - pretty useful for potion-id
15:12 <bubbles_nh> one day
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3414 points, T:3702, killed by a gas cloud, while sleeping
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15:16 <eraserhead97> how does the "All Roles" trophy work?  if each role has been ascended by someone in the clan, that work?
15:18 <K2> you can earn all roles either as an individual or as a team
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15:27 <eraserhead97> @K2 cool - thx ^^ (although, as an individual, methinks Luxi may be the only one who can get that one)
15:28 <eraserhead97> @K2 so individual and team are separate trophies (as in points)?
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15:28 <K2> can be yes
15:28 <eraserhead97> ic - that's going to change my choices on start - ty
15:28 <eraserhead97> maybe not for roles, but for the others...
15:31 <eraserhead97> @ sign on Dlvl:15 got me excited for a store (for price-id) - turned out to be a gray elf
15:35 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: The computer that used to collate those, is ded.
15:35 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU :(
15:35 <jonadab> Power blink -> root filesystem unbootable
15:35 <LarienTelrunya> rip :/  any chance that you can set up a new one?
15:35 <LarienTelrunya> damn
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> the PC that I used to develop slex with, also died about a week ago
15:36 <eraserhead97> woohoo!  finally, a general store on Dlvl:18  ^^
15:36 <jonadab> I mean, I put a new hard drive in and installed Devuan and have been working on setting up various bits of the old computer's functionality.
15:36 <jonadab> Got Arsinoe working earlier today.
15:36 <jonadab> I thought that left Discord as the major thing not still working.
15:36 <jonadab> Forgot about the EPI list.
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> heh, I'm also in the process of setting up my new PC, but some of the games aren't fully working yet
15:37 <jonadab> *still not
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> also fallout 3 is ultra laggy now because the video card of this new PC sucks (it's a nvidia 7100)
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> in my case, the breakdown happened about one week after I did the last backup so I'm still missing some stuff
15:38 <LarienTelrunya> hopefully I can somehow read out the data from the old hard drive
15:38 <jonadab> So I guess I'll have to plug in the old HD again (I've got it on an external sata-to-USB thingy) and look at its cron job to figure out what was collating the EPI list.
15:38 <jonadab> In order to set that up again.
15:38 <jonadab> Probably ought to grab the whole crontab tree while I'm at it.
15:38 <jonadab> For reference.
15:38 <LarienTelrunya> ahh I think there's such a sata-to-USB thingy at my roommate's place too, I need to ask her for that
15:39 <Porkman> hohum
15:39 <Porkman> 3 coaligned temples
15:39 <jonadab> Or I could just leave the EPI list frozen in time as of last update.
15:40 <jonadab> It's not like it doesn't have enough entries by now.
15:40 <LarienTelrunya> that would be very unfortunate though, because chances are people come up with new EPIs that might be suitable for slex
15:40 <jonadab> That's an argument in favor of leaving it broken.
15:40 <LarienTelrunya> dude please don't be that cruel ;)
15:41 <bubbles_nh> LarienTelrunya: are you building an antique pc so you can continue to run XP? \o/
15:41 <jonadab> Arguably, fixing it would be cruel to slex players.  Assuming there are any not-entirely massochistic ones.
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> bubbles_nh: you bet!
15:41 <bubbles_nh> get a mac gurl!
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> it's my roommate's old PC in fact; she is on a windows doesntwork (i.e. 10) PC now so she no longer needs the old one
15:41 <jonadab> Forget XP, run Windows 2000, or run Seven.
15:41 <jonadab> Or PC-DOS 3.3, of course.
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> omg I'll certainly not get a mac
15:42 <eraserhead97> how crucial is a luckstone?  it looks like the one I picked up from Catacombs was a flint stone - the other location only had a level-transport trap (no gray stone)... ...wondering if I need to scour the Mines for the luckstone or just fuggettaboutit...
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: windows 3.1 forever :P
15:42 <jonadab> I've used Windows 3.1.  Ugh.  No thanks.
15:42 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: If I ever set up a website of my own I'll probably steal jonadab's code and do the same thing for YANIs. Or jonadab could just set up an alternate page on his site that uses my regex list.
15:42 <eraserhead97> any *nix rocks (including OSX and linux) ^^
15:43 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Have you ever tried out BeOS 5 PE?
15:43 <jonadab> You seem like the kind of person who would never want to give that up if you ever got started on it.
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: uhh no idea what that's even supposed to be
15:43 <jonadab> It's an operating system.
15:43 <jonadab> Old, now.
15:44 <LarienTelrunya> windows is the only thing that exists :P
15:45 <jonadab> BeOS can actually install right on top of Windows, just makes a big file to use as its filesystem, and adds an icon to the desktop that boots into it.
15:45 <jonadab> Though it's _recommended_ to create an actual partition and use a proper boot manager.
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15:45 <jonadab> But it's not required.
15:45 <stenno\proc> windows 10 is a good OS
15:46 <jonadab> Dunno if it can support NTFS though.  When I used it, it was running on Windows 95 OSR2, so FAT32.
15:46 <jonadab> stenno\proc: Hitler did nothing wrong?
15:46 <jonadab> Windows 10 has some neat technical stuff.
15:46 <stenno\proc> uhm, what
15:46 <jonadab> But it is such an unstable and immature product, discontinuing Seven in favor of it was grossly irresponsible.
15:47 <LarienTelrunya> creating win 7 in the first place was grossly irresponsible, it's basically the nethack 3.6 of operating systems :P
15:47 <LarienTelrunya> and XP is the nethack 3.4.3 equivalent
15:47 <jonadab> Seven is a strict improvement over XP.
15:47 <LarienTelrunya> everyone says that for some reason
15:48 <K2> well
15:48 <K2> maybe
15:48 <K2> cuz its true
15:48 <LarienTelrunya> but I say, seven is a regression compared to oblivion (yes, oblivion is also an operating system :P  if there are operating systems in TES 4: Oblivion, they are Windows XP of course!)
15:48 <jonadab> Ten is a strict improvement over Eight/Blue.
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15:48 <jonadab> But you know.
15:49 * K2 likes win10
15:50 <jonathanhanes> windows 95 or nothing
15:50 <jonadab> Among other things, Ten is pathologically incapable of allowing the user to continue to do work once an update becomes available.  It instantly becomes I/O bound and stays that way for several *hours*.
15:50 <K2> windows server 2016 yes, windows 10 for user no
15:50 <jonadab> The fact that nothing works any more is the user's first clue that there must be an update coming.
15:50 <K2> w2k16 server is why i am on 2 hrs sleep today
15:51 <LarienTelrunya> my laptop (the one on which I'm chatting right now) is win 7 and has the same problem: if everything slows down to a crawl, a stupid update is running in the background
15:51 <jonathanhanes> go vis!
15:51 * jonadab is so glad he won't need to support Windows Server any more, because we migrated off of Polaris.
15:51 <K2> jonadab i can still work on my win10 machines at work and home and have an update processing
15:51 <K2> perhaps there's a hardware limitation/bottleneck
15:52 <K2> win10 really needs 8gig ram minimum
15:52 <jonadab> Also, the Ten UI is so half-baked, the only way to get low contrast display colors (an accessibility requirement for those of us whose eyes are sensitive to light) is to enable high contrast mode.
15:52 <K2> you can get by with 4 gig but meh
15:52 <jonadab> And then about a third of all applications still don't work right with it.
15:52 <jonadab> Applications that were no problem on Seven.
15:52 <K2> welp
15:53 <K2> microsoft officially ends support for 7 this january
15:53 <eraserhead97> what sucks are the auto-update/reboots on windows10 (kills running linux servers through virtualbox) - turning it off appears to be non-trivial
15:53 <Croesus> [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 3994 points, 2275 turns, killed by a dwarf
15:53 <jonadab> K2: I mean, for me personally, this is not a problem, I'll just keep using Devuan anyway.
15:53 <LarienTelrunya> if they end support, it means less annoying updates which is a good thing :P
15:53 <bubbles_nh> I never have these update reboot problems :s
15:53 <bubbles_nh> LarienTelrunya: meh security is a good thing
15:54 <bubbles_nh> You don't want the baddies stealing yo' zorkmidssdsd
15:54 <K2> i would love to get away from windows and have everyone use ubuntu desktop - wouldnt need to upgrade any hardware
15:54 <K2> but the learning curve would be too great
15:54 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bouquet (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1180 points, 3705 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
15:54 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: tacco (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2132 points, 2575 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf
15:54 <LarienTelrunya> bubbles_nh: I don't trust microsoft of all things when it comes to security... having good antivirus, backup plans etc. is much more important
15:54 <jonadab> K2: The learning curve moving from Seven to Ten, honestly, you might as well move everyone to KDE or something.
15:54 <LarienTelrunya> in fact you can never have enough backups of your data IMHO :P
15:54 <paxed> K2: not really, just switch to a windows 95 theme for xfce, put a IE icon on the desktop, done.
15:54 <K2> nah its not as bad as you think
15:55 <bubbles_nh> LarienTelrunya: not backups, bank deails etc.
15:55 <K2> as long as the links to <insert office product here> are there, life is ok
15:55 <jonadab> K2: Every additional month I spend supporting people who use Ten (we have four staff workstations on it now), I find out new ways it's terrible.
15:55 <K2> heh
15:55 <jonadab> It doesn't get better the more I know about it.  It gets worse.
15:55 <bubbles_nh> You should all be glad you don't have to use xcode
15:55 <K2> !booze jonadab
15:55 * Beholder tosses jonadab a shot of the hard stuff, prayed over by the /dev/null/oracle at 276 Kelvin.
15:55 <bubbles_nh> And pray to the gods high and low you never do.
15:55 <bubbles_nh> !booze bubbles_nhww 
15:55 * Beholder delivers bubbles_nhww a fifth of the hooch, prayed over by demogorgon at -7 degrees Celsius.
15:55 <K2> oh yeah
15:55 <bubbles_nh> lol
15:56 <bubbles_nh> It really wants me to have that hooch
15:56 <bubbles_nh> and lots of it
15:56 <K2> our erp is on an aging as400 running a shit custom version of solarsoft 5 revisions old
15:56 <bubbles_nh> I'mma take its advice tonight i think
15:56 <K2> it makes win95 look like the 2nd coming of jesus
15:56 <bubbles_nh> omg so cute, just found a 3x2 throne room
15:57 <bubbles_nh> it was just an orc captain and his two buds
15:57 <K2> awwww <--- cute aww
15:57 <bubbles_nh> LarienTelrunya: EPI: Make potions act like wraith corpses so you can vomit and die on them if you are over-satiated
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15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1590 points, T:2971, killed by a rothe
16:04 <Porkman> oh for fucks sake
16:04 <Porkman> the devteam t-shirt
16:04 <Porkman> is an artifact?!
16:04 <Porkman> what does it even do?
16:06 <rld> <@IceBox> luckstone and warning
16:06 <Porkman> and i just wasted an artifact slot for two things i already have
16:06 <Porkman> £*"($&"£*($&
16:06 <Porkman> I will murder that whole devteam level
16:07 <Porkman> lol, an egg named easter egg
16:07 <K2> Porkman i wouldnt advise doing that
16:07 <Porkman> hah. why?
16:08 * K2 wanders off
16:08 <jonathanhanes> I never considered going murderhobo on the devteam, what happens?
16:08 <jonathanhanes> stairs probably close off and they force you to be a code monkey until turn 999,999
16:08 <LarienTelrunya> you probably simply die because of cookie reasons, just as if you offered the amulet to moloch :P  (cough3.6cough)
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16:10 <Porkman> no seriously, this messes up my strategy
16:10 <jonathanhanes> !who
16:10 <Beholder> jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh363] samiam [nh363] hothraxxa [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] Nobbs [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] jmcunx [tnnt] truculent [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] ansic [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] malor [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] LoneWolf [tnnt] phorbin [tnnt] luxor | [hdf-eu] spontiff [tnnt] tacco [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] Dins [tnnt] khamul [tnnt] deki [tnnt] voffer [tnnt] mosen [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] saso [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] Kontroller [tnnt] amateurhour [tnnt] swegen [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [tnnt]
16:10 <Porkman> can it at least go to +7 or is it completely useless?
16:11 <rld> <@IceBox> what was your strategy that a tshirt messed it up? other than artifactless?
16:11 <rld> <@IceBox> hoping to wish for an arti?
16:11 <Porkman> wishing for the right kind of artis at the right time
16:11 <Porkman> which involves HOOA
16:12 <rld> <@IceBox> like which artis?
16:12 <rld> <@IceBox> grayswandir and oof or something?
16:12 <Porkman> magic mirror of merlin
16:12 <rld> <@IceBox> anyways it's a totally normal t-shirt, so probably not able to go to +7
16:12 <rld> <@IceBox> normal for enchanting purposes
16:12 <Croesus> [US] [A]: phorbin (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2028610 points, 44101 turns, ascended (and 27 other games not reported)
16:12 <jonathanhanes> YANI: role with an HoOA quest artifact 
16:12 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/phorbin/tnnt/dumplog/1572794754.tnnt.html
16:13 <jonathanhanes> gratz phorbin!
16:13 <bubbles_nh> gratz!!!!
16:14 <bubbles_nh> The devteam characters hit quite hard
16:14 <bubbles_nh> But they don't one-shot you
16:14 <bubbles_nh> They do stun on attack though
16:14 <Porkman> nice one, congrats
16:14 <bubbles_nh> I was victim to the y-y "feature"
16:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:28482
16:23 <bubbles_nh> NO WAIT
16:23 <bubbles_nh> WHAT?
16:23 <bubbles_nh> I had premium heart on
16:23 <bubbles_nh> what????
16:23 <bubbles_nh> It was stolen?
16:23 <bubbles_nh> I pressed escape
16:23 <bubbles_nh> omg
16:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1111 points, 2993 turns, killed by a giant bat
16:23 <Porkman> haha
16:23 <bubbles_nh> !lastlog bubbles
16:23 <bubbles_nh> !lastgame bubbles
16:23 <Beholder> bubbles_nh: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1572898392.dnh.txt
16:23 <Porkman> there are far more ways to die from a cockatrice corpse than from a live one
16:23 <bubbles_nh> Wtf? Why was I not wearing it?
16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1300 points, T:3706, killed by a rothe
16:24 <bubbles_nh> Actually what is wrong with me? :s
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16:28 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 208 points, 683 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt
16:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 115745 points, 14917 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
16:30 <Croesus> [R] Clan unfoog advances to rank 9!
16:30 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5 points, 298 turns, killed by a water moccasin
16:43 <bubbles_nh> https://i.imgur.com/wy4hS1F.png dinner is served \o/
16:43 <phorbin> hah! nice bubbles 
16:44 <bubbles_nh> Honestly a pretty decent wine for £5.50
16:44 <bubbles_nh> Very drinkable!
16:44 <phorbin> yeah shiraz is often good bang for buck 
16:44 <bubbles_nh> And only 12.5% which means I don't feel guilty about finishihg the bottle
16:45 <Porkman> lol wtf is a shop doing on dlvl19
16:45 <bubbles_nh> 3/19 chance innit
16:45 <bubbles_nh> or something
16:45 * bubbles_nh checks
16:51 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1548 points, 1709 turns, killed by a dwarf, while praying
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16:53 <bubbles_nh> yeah 3/dl
16:53 <bubbles_nh> so 3/19 is not actually that low
16:56 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 32560 points, 11949 turns, killed by a death ray
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17:04 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 840 points, 1312 turns, killed by an arrow
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17:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:32714
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17:10 <eraserhead97> Phorbin the Master - this looks like something new
17:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1113 points, 2993 turns, killed by a rothe
17:12 <eraserhead97> wtf - I can't hit him w/a +7 Excalibur - don't have a stethoscope to check him out
17:14 <aosdict> eraserhead97: his AC is probably quite high
17:14 <aosdict> hope you survive
17:15 <eraserhead97> @aosdict any hints on how to kill him?  I was thinking of self-poly to black-D, but is he resistant to disintegration?
17:15 <eraserhead97> actually, he's got a WoD that I'm not sure is drained yet...
17:15 <aosdict> worth a try. I don't think they're *guaranteed* to be made disint resistant
17:18 <eraserhead97> reflected off his amulet
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:33724
17:18 <eraserhead97> I'll have to come back another day - maybe with a rubber-chicken
17:19 <jonathanhanes> You can't go back once you leave
17:19 <eraserhead97> damnit
17:19 <aosdict> it didn't say "point of no return" for nothing
17:19 <jonathanhanes> I had 2 rings of + accuracy and I was still barely hitting them
17:19 <Croesus> [US] [D]: phorbin (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 537 points, 1429 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and one other game not reported)
17:20 <jonathanhanes> but I had vorpal blade and I WAS hitting them
17:20 <jonathanhanes> so it was only a matter of time
17:20 <eraserhead97> so it seems a total luck thing you have to happen to be prepared when you hit the portal
17:20 <rld> <@luxidream> you can go back
17:20 <rld> <@luxidream> also phorbin is really weak
17:20 <rld> <@luxidream> just has good ac
17:20 <eraserhead97> but the portal is gone
17:20 <rld> <@luxidream> oh you can leave the arena
17:20 <jonathanhanes> once you leave after entering the arena, the portal disappears luxidream
17:20 <rld> <@luxidream> but once you leave you can't come back
17:21 <eraserhead97> oh, ic
17:21 <rld> <@luxidream> I thought you meant running away
17:21 <rld> <@luxidream> you can definitely do that
17:21 <jonathanhanes> you could give them a c corpse and then lead them into a pit
17:21 <eraserhead97> I prolly poly-selfed into the wrong monster (I tried black D but his amulet of reflection countered) - I should've turned into a cockatrice
17:22 <phorbin> i'm really weak? 
17:22 <phorbin> lol
17:22 <eraserhead97> but maybe c won't work (prolly can't hit him with low AC)
17:22 <phorbin> oh because weaponless? 
17:23 <jonathanhanes> I'd imagine it would be tough hitting with a c corpse
17:23 <phorbin> i wasn't wearing body armor until the run up and i killed a silver dragon in the castle with amulet and decided to wear it 
17:23 <jonathanhanes> and the last npc I killed had 9 lizards on them
17:24 <phorbin> my ac was -28 before that 
17:24 <phorbin> but i think like 42 when i ascended 
17:24 <phorbin> also had a +4 ring of protection that i wasn't wearing but maybe the npc will put it on ? 
17:24 <eraserhead97> so now, I'm a black-D and I'm at Medusa's Lair, but can't use shield of reflection - wonder if blindfold will work
17:25 <eraserhead97> nope
17:25 <Porkman> oh ffs
17:25 <Porkman> wand of wishing (0:1)
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17:26 <Porkman> *finally*#
17:27 <aosdict> phorbin: if your NPC is really weak it could be that you yourself had really good stuff but the nethack ai kneecaps that
17:27 <Porkman> carried magic resistance
17:27 <phorbin> yeah... well i dunno if i trust luxidream's opinion of "weak" 
17:27 <phorbin> my feelings weren't hurt 
17:28 <phorbin> but just so i understand how this works, if he had beaten the character does he get all the stuff? I had two wands of death, but what about the boh? there was a wow inside
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17:33 <Porkman> lol and grimtooth appears
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17:36 <eraserhead9761> @luxidream so how did you defeat Phorbin?
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> the character was weak not because of you phorbin
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> but because he didn't use a weapon, compared to other player monsters
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> nothing to do with you, your character was quite strong actually
17:38 <phorbin> ya i gotcha. i just happened to look at irc and saw you say that haha 
17:38 <rld> <@luxidream> thought I'd clarify 🙂
17:38 <rld> <@luxidream> and I hit him in the face with excal until he died
17:38 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 437 points, 1678 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted hobbit, while sleeping
17:38 <phorbin> but do you get all the stuff? contents of bag too? 
17:38 <eraserhead9761> ah - so I guess Xp:11 didn't give me sufficient to-hit bonuses
17:39 <eraserhead9761> I was missing him with a +7 excal
17:39 <phorbin> the thing you need to remember eraser, is that in vanilla you never face monsters with -42 AC so you always hit 
17:40 <rld> <@luxidream> you only get one item
17:40 <rld> <@luxidream> the bag is empty
17:40 <phorbin> oh ok 
17:40 <phorbin> cool
17:41 <eraserhead9761> ic
17:42 <eraserhead9761> what would be cool as a new feature is something like a Phorbin except he's a mirror of yourself with all the same equipment ^^
17:43 <Porkman> dragonscale mails fed to swap chest :)
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17:43 <bubbles_nh> oh
17:43 <bubbles_nh> unaligned
17:43 <eraserhead9761> v.nice Porkman - wish I was near the chest
17:43 <bubbles_nh> but not the right way
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17:44 <Porkman> a gray dragon scale mail bestowed unto you by the boundless generosity of porkman!
17:44 <Porkman> how many swap chests are there in total?
17:44 <{Demo}> thanks porkman!
17:45 <bubbles_nh> thanks mr pirk!
17:45 <Porkman> this time i stuffed a COMR and two GDSM in it
17:45 <bubbles_nh> gdsm should give half spell damage and sdsm should give silver damage to attacks and relatiation
17:45 <bubbles_nh> figh tme
17:45 <bubbles_nh> fight me
17:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 7038 points, 6307 turns, killed by a winter wolf
17:48 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 96 points, 167 turns, killed by a small mimic
17:50 <eraserhead9761> wtf - a polytrap under a boulder in castle entrance 8^P
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 450699 points, T:63289, killed by a water elemental
17:52 <Croesus> [US] [A]: Luxidream (Kni-Hum-Fem-Cha), 856678 points, 38998 turns, ascended
17:52 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572891913.tnnt.html
17:52 <Croesus> [Tr] Luxidream now has All The Alignments!
17:52 <{Demo}> what
17:54 <Porkman> this run is sorely lacking spellbooks
17:56 <eraserhead9761> write-your-own or pol ^^
17:56 <eraserhead9761> poly
17:57 <{Demo}> you need a spellbook to do that
17:57 <bubbles_nh> gatz luxi
17:57 <bubbles_nh> you are a monster
17:57 <bubbles_nh> I love you
17:58 <bubbles_nh> $asc malor
17:58 <Croesus> bubbles_nh: [EU] No ascensions for malor. | [US] malor has ascended 1 times in 10 games (10.00%): 1xBar,  1xHum,  1xCha,  1xMal. | [AU] No ascensions for malor.
17:58 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 745 points, 2040 turns, killed by a killer bee
17:58 <Porkman> Water gets into your oilskin sack named cancellation!
17:58 <Porkman> eeeeh?
17:59 <Porkman> aren't oilskin sacks supposed to be immune to water?
17:59 <{Demo}> in vanilla, no
17:59 <{Demo}> they are resistant
17:59 <{Demo}> is that stupid? yes. should they be immune? yes
17:59 <rld> <@luxidream> they are immune
17:59 <rld> <@luxidream> yours is cursed
17:59 <{Demo}> oh
17:59 <{Demo}> i guess im thinking of oilskin cloaks
18:00 <Porkman> aha
18:01 <phorbin> i usually test a $100 bag by dipping in fountain 
18:01 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3569 points, 2747 turns, killed by a mumak
18:02 <phorbin> (water gets in bag=boh) 
18:02 <Porkman> ...or cursed oilskin
18:02 <phorbin> and i think the oilskin self ids when you do that 
18:02 <phorbin> oh i never thought of that!
18:02 <eraserhead9761> nice - a wand of cancellation on top of castle's wishing chest - I think I'll put that one back in the chest 8^P
18:03 <bubbles_nh> zap it at the other wand!
18:03 <bubbles_nh> For infinite wishes
18:03 <eraserhead9761> I don't like to keep wands of cancellation unless I have a sack
18:03 <bubbles_nh> it cancels the :X of the other wand
18:03 <bubbles_nh> honest
18:03 <jonathanhanes> better yet, (a)pply the WoW for one MEGA wish
18:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: AntiVirus (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 927 points, 2466 turns, killed by a pony
18:03 <bubbles_nh> *laughs in chaotic8
18:03 <phorbin> you'll break the infinite wishes conduct, but it's worth it imo
18:06 <Porkman> so i am a chaotic wizard with the magic mirror of merlin
18:06 <Porkman> and i made excalibur
18:07 <Porkman> so once i write finger of death, i can go get crowned as lawful and get saber unrestricted
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18:10 <bubbles_nh> YANI: shopkeepers should pay you a small fee for killing a mimic in their shop (that was generted tehre)
18:10 <raisse> lol yes
18:10 <rld> <@John Keel> no way, you're paying 7 zm for the corpse and you'll like it
18:10 <raisse> 10 zorkmids seems the right amount
18:10 <bubbles_nh> Yeah something like that
18:11 <bubbles_nh> flavour innit!
18:12 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 52 points, 269 turns, killed by a kobold
18:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 228 points, 720 turns, killed by a bat
18:13 <Porkman> lol, this is a first
18:13 <Porkman> no downstairs in home:2
18:15 <{Demo}> are you playing bleeding edge dnh?
18:15 <Porkman> TNNT
18:15 <jonathanhanes> Is it under something porkman?
18:15 <Porkman> welcome to come look at the level
18:15 <Porkman> (it's magic mapped)
18:15 <{Demo}> ok i will
18:16 <{Demo}> dig down i guess?
18:16 <jonathanhanes> dig down
18:16 <{Demo}> and then go up the stairs and see where you land
18:16 <jonathanhanes> lolwut
18:16 <{Demo}> LOL
18:16 <{Demo}> the level generator broke
18:17 <Porkman> lol
18:17 <Porkman> hahaha
18:17 <Porkman> i broke nethack
18:17 <Porkman> PORKMAN > NETHACK
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> do you come out of the floor
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> coming back up
18:17 <{Demo}> tell yeah he does
18:17 <{Demo}> tell aosdict
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18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> happened to me once in dynahack
18:17 <{Demo}> and if he seems to think it is a vanilla bug, tell the DT
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> apparently it's vanilla
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> :V
18:18 <{Demo}> also mention there were only 3 rooms on the level
18:18 <Croesus> [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 459254 points, 36100 turns, drowned in a moat by a giant eel
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18:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3093 points, 7161 turns, killed by a quasit
18:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 352 points, 1358 turns, killed by a bolt of cold
18:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: AntiVirus (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1055 points, 1854 turns, killed by a dwarf
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18:26 <eraserhead9761> @porkman thx for the +1 GDSM ^^
18:26 <Porkman> ^_^
18:26 <Porkman> sorry i didnt get enough scrolsl to make it +5 this time around
18:27 <eraserhead9761> now, you're making me feel guilty about leaving just a blue DS in exchange 8^P
18:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 4641 points, 4927 turns, killed by a dingo
18:30 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 197 points, 764 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
18:31 <K2> !who
18:31 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] lordjoe [nh363] JohnKeel [tnnt] AntiVirus [tnnt] WizardOfPoland [tnnt] karibou [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] towardsdawn [tnnt] LoneWolf [tnnt] malor [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] luxor [slshm] rikersan [dnh] dragonspeaker [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Kontroller [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] mosen [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] asdf [tnnt] tacco [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] Graznop [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Numbgoon [tnnt] Grasshopper [tnnt]
18:34 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers)
18:34 <K2> ^ latest devteam bits
18:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Cav Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3309
18:38 <eraserhead9761> got excited with Porkman's GDSM so I almost went down into G - but then I remembered... ...haven't geno'ed anything yet 8^P
18:39 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Ran-Gno-Fem-Neu), 592 points, 1885 turns, killed by a dingo
18:39 <eraserhead9761> I've geno'ed so many L's and h's, I've forgotten that they exist...
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18:40 <bubbles_nh> sigghhh
18:40 <eraserhead9761> DAMN - in the planes?
18:41 <bubbles_nh> Not even close
18:41 <bubbles_nh> Sadly
18:41 <bubbles_nh> K2 ouch on he moat drowning
18:41 <K2> yeah
18:41 <K2> totally avoidable
18:41 <K2> me not paying attention and thinking ahead
18:41 <bubbles_nh> I would say 80% of my deaths are I just play too yolo
18:41 <bubbles_nh> Yep, not enough attention to the messages
18:41 <bubbles_nh> And not enough attention to the HP
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18:44 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: tacco (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 6806 points, 5535 turns, killed by a soldier ant
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18:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 3020 points, T:4923, killed by a gnome lord
18:48 <bubbles_nh> $asc luxidream
18:48 <Croesus> bubbles_nh: [EU] No ascensions for luxidream. | [US] luxidream has ascended 9 times in 314 games (2.87%): 1xBar 1xKni 7xWiz,  2xHum 1xGno 6xOrc,  4xLaw 1xNeu 4xCha,  3xMal 6xFem. | [AU] No ascensions for luxidream.
18:49 <bubbles_nh> 6 orcs
18:49 <bubbles_nh> nice
18:50 <Porkman> how many chests are there?
18:50 <Porkman> swap chests i mean
18:51 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 455 points, 1423 turns, killed by an acidic corpse
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18:51 <K2> Porkman 2
18:52 <Porkman> thanks
18:52 <eraserhead9761> ya - I just discovered that the 2 are distinct (as opposed to 1 that exists in 2 places)
18:52 <eraserhead9761> well, I mean, as portals
18:53 <eraserhead9761> I think they go to the same place
18:53 <eraserhead9761> in other words, you have 2 chances to use them
18:54 <Croesus> [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 26 points, 100 turns, killed by a newt
18:54 <Porkman> no, they are the same pool of items
18:55 <Porkman> Would somebody be so kind as to put a helm of briliance into one :)
18:55 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: asdf (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 342 points, 1104 turns, killed by a little dog
18:55 <eraserhead9761> yes, that's what I said - but I mean the 2 chests are 2 distinct portals
18:55 <eraserhead9761> so you can do 2 deposit/withdraw cycles
18:56 <aosdict> just making sure - no one thinks there are magic portals involved with the chests that transport *you*, right?
18:56 <aosdict> Because there are not.
18:57 <eraserhead9761> yes, I understand that - just calling them portals (for easier conceptual understanding that they go to one place)
18:58 <eraserhead9761> or I should just say one pool (as mentioned above)
18:59 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2126 points, 7613 turns, killed by a blast of frost, while sleeping
19:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 15667 points, 6773 turns, killed by a panther
19:02 <bubbles_nh> They are two holes into the same bag
19:03 <eraserhead9761> yeah - that's they way I look at it ^^
19:05 <bubbles_nh> I must take the washing out brb
19:05 * aosdict is cooking stuffed shells
19:05 <eraserhead9761> as opposed to the same-chest-in-two-places (if that were the case, you would only get one deposit-withdraw cycle)
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19:09 <bubbles_nh> aosdict: shells as in shellfish, or like pasta/ravioli?
19:10 <eraserhead9761> tiny/minor bug - if I'm standing on an altar and I wish for an item and my inventory is full - as it drops, there's no BUC-id (happened to me with a magic marker) - will send msg to devs
19:11 <aosdict> bubbles_nh: pasta
19:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2031
19:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 3984 points, T:2191, killed by Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper
19:14 <rld> <@rikersan> damnit
19:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 914 points, T:1287, killed by a giant bat
19:14 <rld> <@rikersan> eurynome triggered on a conflict ring I was wearing next to izchak
19:14 <rld> <@rikersan> counterattacked, pissed him off for real
19:14 <bubbles_nh> ouch
19:14 <Porkman> hahaha
19:14 <Porkman> "£($*& elf kibble
19:15 <Porkman> orc eating lembas
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> that's my bad lol
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> that was gonna be great too
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> I think that was at least 1 magic lamp in izchak and a candle in the tool shop
19:15 <eraserhead9761> ya - I walked up to the VotD priest earlier with a conflict ring on - he whacked me and cursed my blindfold
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> had eurynome & buer for my 2 spirits so far :(
19:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 161 points, T:309, killed by a jackal
19:17 <rld> <@rikersan> let's try this eurynome/buer thing again shall we
19:17 <eraserhead9761> is there some kind of trophy for spirits?
19:18 <rld> <@rikersan> this isn't tnnt
19:18 <rld> <@rikersan> also god eurynome's full BAB for unarmed? spicy
19:18 <eraserhead9761> oh ic
19:19 <Porkman> ptah you idiot, crown me already
19:19 <rld> <@rikersan> eraserhead: this is just dnh but i'm talking about it in here cuz I know bubbles is also doing a dnh binder right now (diff race)
19:19 <rld> <@rikersan> and porkman I know used to "play" dnethack
19:20 <bubbles_nh> dnh is love dnh is truth
19:20 <rld> <@rikersan> porkman: nice, he did :)
19:20 <rld> <@rikersan> did you find grays?
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19:21 <Porkman> yez
19:22 <Porkman> oh shiznit
19:22 <Porkman> ludios!
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19:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2917
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19:36 <bubbles_nh> My only issue with binder is buer/eurynome/miska is too strong
19:39 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
19:42 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan do you think it would be possible to ascend without binding a spirit (outside the required/automatic quest/otiax)?
19:42 <rld> <@rikersan> anything is possible with enough RNG
19:42 <rld> <@rikersan> you could probably do a pretty simple quest ones
19:43 <rld> <@rikersan> for what it's worth - the only two you are forced to have are otiax & dahlver-nar I think, no others
19:43 <bubbles_nh> I think eurynome's taboo should be if you haven't moved X tiles in Y moves
19:43 <rld> <@rikersan> (the quest and otiax like you said, just don't think there's any other reqs)
19:43 <rld> <@rikersan> hm that's not a bad idea actually
19:43 <rld> <@rikersan> @ChrisANG thoughts? ^^
19:43 <bubbles_nh> More in keeping with her "style"
19:43 <rld> <@rikersan> also somebody ate my goddamn luckstone and I don't know where it went
19:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 4070 points, T:2357, killed by a gnome
19:44 <rld> <@rikersan> at mimic of the mines and I do'nt see it :/
19:44 <rld> <@rikersan> oh well I guess I'll find one later :/
19:44 <bubbles_nh> Do you think we can get dragonspeaker to join the irc?
19:44 <bubbles_nh> S/he plays so much dnh
19:44 <rld> <@rikersan> I may mail him
19:45 <bubbles_nh> Yes! spectate and mail!
19:45 <bubbles_nh> does dnh have coloured hp?
19:46 <{Demo}> yeah you can configure it
19:46 <rld> <@rikersan> copy my rc if youw ant
19:46 <rld> <@rikersan> I have some curses stuff
19:47 <{Demo}> steal pork's rc
19:47 <rld> <@rikersan> that's a better iea
19:47 <{Demo}> he probably porked it anyway
19:47 <rld> <@rikersan> I trust porkman more than literally anybody else except nero in terms of understanding dnh intuitively
19:47 <rld> <@rikersan> he's literally ascended to becmoe one with the codebase
19:47 <{Demo}> like theres probably at least 100 blessed full healing potions in there
19:48 <Porkman> hah
19:48 <rld> <@rikersan> just hidden in his rc? no
19:48 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 116 points, 507 turns, killed by a fox
19:48 <rld> <@rikersan> there's def more than that
19:49 <bubbles_nh> oh fuck
19:49 <bubbles_nh> i miscounted
19:49 <bubbles_nh> cursed glass of wine innit
19:50 <{Demo}> play ndnh
19:50 <bubbles_nh> ok
19:50 <{Demo}> you can't explode in ndnh
19:50 <bubbles_nh> OK FNE
19:50 <bubbles_nh> FINE
19:50 <{Demo}> well actually you do explode but you don't die
19:50 <bubbles_nh> whyh is an  illithibinderalsdjaskld a role not a race? :hmm:
19:50 <bubbles_nh> jugh now I need a new rc file
19:51 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: how much alcohol do you drnk playing nethack jesus
19:51 <rld> <@rikersan> this seems like variety too
19:51 <rld> <@rikersan> also eyyyy
19:51 <rld> <@rikersan> engagement is conflict!
19:52 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan 1. I had a liver function test because of all the drugs I take and it came back 100% functional
19:52 <rld> <@rikersan> that's gonna be funky
19:52 <bubbles_nh> 2. My doctor said I did not have a drinking problem
19:52 <{Demo}> LOL
19:52 <bubbles_nh> 3. I dunno, like a bottle of wine and a few pints per night?
19:52 <bubbles_nh> drugs = medicine
19:52 <{Demo}> oh
19:52 <bubbles_nh> not sure if there is a semantic difference in American
19:52 <{Demo}> ur doctor sounds rad
19:52 <rld> <@rikersan> ^
19:52 <bubbles_nh> My doctor once told me, after I went in for some depression related bants, "You look like you need a drink"
19:53 <bubbles_nh> "Here's a sick note"
19:53 <bubbles_nh> "Go have fun"
19:53 <bubbles_nh> Honest to god
19:53 <bubbles_nh> But yeah, 100% liver function, I'm like some half-alcohol-dragon
19:53 <{Demo}> what a guy
19:53 <bubbles_nh> I can't look this gift in the mouth
19:53 <bubbles_nh> it's a she {Demo} !
19:54 <{Demo}> OK still what a guy
19:55 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: can a brain golem grow up?
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19:56 <{Demo}> no but they have high base stats for a starting pet
19:56 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: also he doens't folow me like in dnh, given his 12 speed (and my 12?)
19:56 <bubbles_nh> So he's level 9 already? :o
19:56 <{Demo}> yeah well hes kind of a dumbass but he's useful to use as a meatshield when fighting spirits
19:57 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 310 points, 1051 turns, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze
19:57 <Porkman> the minute i wish for a hob its just gonna pop up in my game
19:58 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 973 points, 1641 turns, killed by a falling rock
19:58 <bubbles_nh> Also what the cuss, {Demo} I am not restricted in everything as a binder?
19:58 <{Demo}> you arent a binder
19:58 <Porkman> you can copy my rc file if you need
19:58 <{Demo}> you are the antihesis of a binder
19:58 <Porkman> i ascended the first ACU ^_^
19:58 <bubbles_nh> vus?
19:59 <bubbles_nh> Porkman: thanks bbz!
19:59 <Porkman> hint: make an incantifier, then summon astaroth, go get the gillystone
19:59 <bubbles_nh> What is an ACU? Agnostic Chirpotean Ummm?
19:59 <Porkman> anachronounbinder
19:59 <bubbles_nh> Porkman: I am not sure if you are talking ndhn or dnh now :
19:59 <Porkman> ndnh
19:59 <{Demo}> bubbles hes talking about the ndnh role you are playing
20:00 <rld> <@rikersan> porkman: what does that do?
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20:00 <rld> <@rikersan> something stupid I'm sure but what
20:02 <bubbles_nh> I just told a random dude to go to a place to find the amulet
20:02 <bubbles_nh> I hope he doesn't come back!
20:03 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: illi* should be able to force locks with their tentacle
20:03 <Porkman> astaroth lets you actually do the archipleago
20:03 <bubbles_nh> Also {Demo} / Porkman is it regular dnh wishing rules
20:03 <bubbles_nh> ?
20:03 <Porkman> oldschool
20:03 <bubbles_nh> i.e. I'm safe to name artifacts without crushing my wish chance later
20:03 <bubbles_nh> ugh
20:03 <bubbles_nh> lame
20:03 <Porkman> before the nonsense 3 arti thing
20:04 <{Demo}> its oldschool yeah
20:04 <Porkman> yeah, you can name artis without crushing wish chance
20:04 <Porkman> i mean, dnh oldschool, not vanilla
20:04 <{Demo}> yeah that
20:04 <bubbles_nh> Oh named ones don't affect wishing?
20:04 <{Demo}> no its the old dnh wishing system
20:04 <{Demo}> so yes
20:04 <Porkman> no, named and found ones don't
20:04 <{Demo}> naming and found don't affect wished
20:05 <bubbles_nh> You feel a deep sense of kinship to the tin!  Eat it anyway? [yn] (n) 
20:05 <bubbles_nh> HMMM
20:05 <bubbles_nh> it had kobolds in it
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20:05 <{Demo}> yeah they are scaley
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20:05 <{Demo}> and have the reptilian flag
20:06 <{Demo}> which is used for salamanders
20:06 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> paxed: Wasn't sure if the bug was a TNNT "permadeaf" bug or a vanilla bug. Went ahead and tested in 3.6.2 and submitted (also another one for magic whistles and instruments). Also submitted one for magic whistles and instruments, since I tested those in 3.6.2 as well
20:06 <bubbles_nh> Hmm what do I need to do to level up :hmm:
20:07 <bubbles_nh> It said something on startup about xlvl but I ignored it
20:07 <rld> <@rikersan> summon the dude and punch it to death
20:07 <rld> <@rikersan> berith and on are dangerous
20:07 <rld> <@rikersan> be careful
20:07 <rld> <@rikersan> the rest are relatively straightforward
20:07 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> K2: Speaking of bugs related to the permadeaf option, the "You can hear again." message isn't suppressed when deafness (say, from a drum) times out
20:07 <rld> <@rikersan> balam is a bitch and doesn't move last I checked so taht's funny
20:07 <bubbles_nh> Ahhhhh
20:07 <bubbles_nh> I see
20:08 <rld> <@rikersan> they give xp too but it doesn't matter how much xp you have, you need to kill them first to level up
20:08 <bubbles_nh> So I have to kill the spirits
20:08 <rld> <@rikersan> ahazu is useless he does food though
20:08 <rld> <@rikersan> yea
20:08 <aosdict> @ShivanHunter a lot of the instruments ones I reported yesterday and have been fixed
20:08 <rld> <@rikersan> amon for lvl 2, whatever comes after that for lvl 3 (andre?), etc.
20:08 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> ahh
20:09 <aosdict> tone was compiling a list of other ones that haven't been addressed
20:09 <aosdict> the You can hear again thing is on us
20:09 <bubbles_nh> ok andrapeheleusus is scary
20:10 <{Demo}> do keep in mind that you effectively have a spirit bound while its monster is alive
20:10 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}:  say what now?
20:11 <bubbles_nh> So i can summon then abandon the level and have all of them bound?
20:11 <{Demo}> no
20:11 <{Demo}> you cannot have more than one alive at once
20:11 <bubbles_nh> I will kill all of them
20:11 <bubbles_nh> I am the antibinder
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20:12 <{Demo}> some of them drop unique artifacts
20:12 <rld> <@rikersan> from buer on, right?
20:13 <{Demo}> a lot of which are useful for asc kits
20:13 <bubbles_nh> I KILL ALL
20:13 <{Demo}> the first one with a unique arti is... berith i think
20:13 <bubbles_nh> Is there still a gnomish mines?
20:13 <{Demo}> if you choose it
20:13 <{Demo}> from the wizard menu
20:13 <Porkman> but it has no altar
20:13 <{Demo}> the guy that wanted to know where the amulet was
20:13 <{Demo}> yeah instead it has an armorsmith
20:14 <{Demo}> the ones with altars are 50% ice, 100% black forest, and the only with a temple is 100% swamp
20:14 <bubbles_nh> Ah
20:14 <bubbles_nh> I completelye forgot which one I chose
20:14 <Porkman> no
20:14 <Porkman> archipelago has a guaranteed altar
20:14 <bubbles_nh> Should I keep astaroth alive then?
20:14 <{Demo}> oh yeah i forgot arc
20:14 <bubbles_nh> or smash him?
20:14 <Porkman> i always go for archipelago
20:15 <Porkman> my fave
20:15 <bubbles_nh> i am going to smash him
20:15 <bubbles_nh> I did not smash him
20:15 <rld> <@rikersan> i almost punched a chickatrice without gloves
20:15 <rld> <@rikersan> RIP
20:15 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan jeez before I had PH but wasn't wearing them and then died to a c
20:15 <bubbles_nh> fml
20:15 <bubbles_nh> Ok colour me intrigued re ndnh
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm not gonna do prem heart yet maybe idk
20:16 <bubbles_nh> doooo ittt
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> it's very not OP endgame when you can get so many arti weapons hitting at once
20:16 <bubbles_nh> !whereis rikersan
20:16 <Beholder> bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] rikersan [dnh]: (Bin Orc Mal Non) T:8930 The Dungeons of Doom level: 12
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> this is quest level, have one lamp
20:16 <bubbles_nh> Ah orc
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> thoughts y'all? orc binder
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> buer, mother, eurynome rn, xp 12
20:16 <bubbles_nh> Hmm, what you gonna do endgame?
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm thinking about droven crossbow + nudziarth actually
20:16 <bubbles_nh> Sack the quest until xl15 and you get intrinsic mr
20:16 <rld> <@rikersan> even though it's probably strictly worse than miska
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> ooooh that's very very true
20:17 <bubbles_nh> nudz gives you 2x spell damage no?
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> probably
20:17 <bubbles_nh> Or more ranged as well?
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> it also does exploding obsidian stuff
20:17 <bubbles_nh> Ah cool
20:17 <bubbles_nh> Ahhh yeah
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> droven crossbow + eve means you can make droven bolts that explode with nudz
20:17 <bubbles_nh> True fact
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> that's lapis's invention
20:17 <bubbles_nh> Interesting. What would hellfire do?
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> well not his invention but his idea
20:17 <rld> <@rikersan> probably exploding exploding bolts
20:17 <Porkman> who came up with the idea of the binder spirits nawya
20:17 <Porkman> anwyay
20:18 <bubbles_nh> \o/
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> the 3.5e tome of magic
20:18 <bubbles_nh> Porkman: I suspect someone dnd-ish
20:18 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: phorbin (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1338 points, 2228 turns, killed by a rope golem, while praying (and 7 other games not reported)
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> and another pathfinder third-party book I believe
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> I was just talking to chris about it
20:18 <bubbles_nh> Every class should be binder but with a different set of 31 near spirits
20:18 <bubbles_nh> fight me
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:35814
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> "pact magic unbound"
20:18 <bubbles_nh> It is the greatest mechanic in any game ever
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> ^^ third party book
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: I've considered a necromancer role based on binding/merging with undead, fwiw
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> where you can merge with any kind of undead (inc. uniques, if you've killed them) and gain some intrinsics/ dmg based on that
20:19 <bubbles_nh> Every bubblehack role will be binder-inspired.
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> it's hella similar to binder so i think I ended up making that the power of the QA, similar to the singing sword
20:19 <bubbles_nh> At least inthat I love having so many low-cooldown choices
20:19 <aosdict> sounds like a recipe for not a lot of variety
20:19 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 11499 points, 9519 turns, killed by a gargoyle, while fainted from lack of food
20:19 <bubbles_nh> Singing sword is fun
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> aosdict: yep
20:20 <bubbles_nh> aosdict: Just need to come up with a new unique set of 31 spirits for each role
20:20 <{Demo}> idk but i found the pdf
20:20 <bubbles_nh> SIMPLE *cough couh*
20:20 <rld> <@rikersan> uh huh
20:20 <rld> <@rikersan> :)
20:21 <rld> <@rikersan> hm, chaos3
20:21 <rld> <@rikersan> that's gonna be FUN with miska
20:21 <rld> <@rikersan> since you can miska-arm a two-handed weapon for one arm :)
20:22 <bubbles_nh> miska is only not 100% because of the unihorn
20:22 <rld> <@rikersan> ?
20:22 <bubbles_nh> It will hit with the unicorn horn in your inv sometimes
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> ah
20:23 <bubbles_nh> So it won't ALWAYS hit with your other weapon
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> that's wack
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> just get numina + iris I guess
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> also hm found a candle of invokness
20:23 <bubbles_nh> flying boots!
20:23 <bubbles_nh> I think that's my fave thing about new wishing, non-arti wishes are so much less wasted
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> have some!
20:24 <rld> <@rikersan> armory :)
20:24 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> aosdict: do you have the "gray ooze stops and appears to cringe" on squeaky boards bug listed? It makes sense for humanoid/intelligent monsters, but it looks like it triggers for just anything and it's odd
20:24 <bubbles_nh> hmm
20:24 <aosdict> no
20:24 <rld> <@rikersan> dwarf mithil, dwarf helm (I'll find a high-elven here in chaos3 probably), iron gauntlets, starting leather cloak, flying boots
20:24 <rld> <@rikersan> considering aegis if I don't want to do eden
20:24 <bubbles_nh> My game progress is defo skewed to "find armory early => good" else " bad"
20:24 <aosdict> feel free to report that yourself
20:24 <rld> <@rikersan> !pom
20:24 <Beholder> @rikersan: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 6 days.
20:24 <rld> <@rikersan> damnit
20:25 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> on it!
20:25 <rld> <@rikersan> no more oopsaxe
20:26 <aosdict> Hmm, can I use same-race polyself to make me un-Satiated?
20:26 <bubbles_nh> welp, I'nm a murder now
20:27 <aosdict> seems like it does make me unsatiated
20:27 <aosdict> interesting
20:27 <bubbles_nh> @riksersan I think refl later is not as required depending on luck with plat/chromatic
20:27 <rld> <@rikersan> nice
20:27 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah and eden is good
20:28 <rld> <@rikersan> I'll probably go ose though for a while
20:28 <rld> <@rikersan> since mind blasts are good
20:28 <bubbles_nh> Aye!
20:28 <bubbles_nh> After crowning you can just use premoniion for that
20:28 <rld> <@rikersan> ooh true
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> well, I can use premonitino without
20:29 <bubbles_nh> buer/eury/enki/andro/andro are the core I think
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> you mean council of elements
20:29 <bubbles_nh> Yep
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> oh I forgot andro he's so stupid
20:29 <bubbles_nh> Both of them!
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> > weapon_dmg_roll called with <1 die size and non-zero die number!
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> nice, apparently they're STILL broken
20:29 <bubbles_nh> andrre/andro
20:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 41838 points, 16113 turns, killed by a rock troll
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> guess I'll avoid them like the plague :/
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> why andre?
20:29 <rld> <@rikersan> tele power?
20:29 <bubbles_nh> I think the transdimentional ray late game just for getting mobs the f out of your way is super good
20:30 <rld> <@rikersan> ah
20:30 <bubbles_nh> Tele power blocked by amulet
20:30 <bubbles_nh> But +12 ac in corners i think
20:30 <bubbles_nh> + the ray
20:30 <{Demo}> i still stand by unknown god being best for astral
20:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] kdg (Wiz Inc Mal Cha), 3417 points, T:1855, quit
20:30 <bubbles_nh> I wish numina didn't unbind when you change quest/alignment spirit
20:30 <bubbles_nh> Kinda sucks that
20:30 * aosdict isn't quite sure why so much dnh discussion in the middle of tnnt
20:31 <{Demo}> you can change alignment spirits freely now
20:31 <{Demo}> i think
20:31 <bubbles_nh> aosdict: dnh is love dnh is life
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20:31 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: I thought it still pissed numina off?
20:31 <{Demo}> lets test
20:31 <bubbles_nh> aosdict: don't worry I will go back to tnnt this weekend and win us loads of points!
20:31 <bubbles_nh> Also hmm, I killed their captain but the watch don't care
20:32 <aosdict> Heh, this is weird: I'm revgenoing tengu as a lawful, and of course attacking them gets them angry, which knocks my alignment down. So when I summon the next round of tengu, they don't appear peaceful, thus not costing me any more alignment.
20:32 <rld> <@rikersan> hm I might go blue dsm for a while
20:32 <Porkman> after playing lots of slashem, un, and DNH/NDNH vanilla feels...lacking
20:32 <rld> <@rikersan> it is
20:32 <rld> <@rikersan> or I won't go blue dsm
20:32 <rld> <@rikersan> thanks djinni very cool
20:32 <bubbles_nh> Porkman: the main problem with slashem is you feel you have to gipsy dance
20:32 <bubbles_nh> I hate it
20:32 <rld> <@rikersan> i fought like 8 deep ones for that :/
20:32 <bubbles_nh> If they removed gipsy wishes I'd play slashem way more
20:33 <Porkman> lol, gipsy dance for a gazillion wishes per game
20:33 <aosdict> ugh 4 geno scrolls down the drain and no teleport control
20:33 <Porkman> Right, igotta sleep
20:33 <Porkman> catch you later
20:34 <bubbles_nh> Same Porks
20:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: GaulGallant (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1584 points, 3793 turns, killed by a gnome, while praying
20:34 <bubbles_nh> Seeya all later chappies!
20:34 <{Demo}> oh hey, confirmed you can switch align spirits without losing xlvl and pissing off numina
20:34 * aosdict uses fifth scroll to summon 6 more tengu, all but the last one drops corpse
20:35 * aosdict eats the one corpse and gets teleport control
20:35 <K2> nite o/
20:36 <rld> <@rikersan> night k2!
20:37 <rld> <@rikersan> orc hp is fun
20:37 <bubbles_nh> ah screw bed the cricket is on
20:37 <rld> <@rikersan> 21 con? 145 at lvl 13 :)
20:38 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> why does the RNG love sending me killer bees
20:38 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan soon you can tank ctuhluu
20:38 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> I feel like Nic Cage over here
20:38 <bubbles_nh> @Shivanhunter to bzzz bzbzb zbzbzzz
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20:45 <bubbles_nh> ppfft 81 off 9 overs
20:45 <bubbles_nh> please no
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20:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 487 points, T:605, killed by a bolt of lightning
20:50 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 8121 points, 7159 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a master mind flayer
20:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1452 points, 4031 turns, poisoned by a rotted hobgoblin corpse, while frozen by a potion
20:53 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 601 points, 1267 turns, killed by an orc zombie
20:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan Order of the Chickatrice advances to rank 17!
20:54 <{Demo}> order of the glockatrice or bust
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20:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 603 points, T:886, killed by a dwarf
21:00 <{Demo}> official order of the glockatrice logo https://i.imgur.com/zkgBPZt.png
21:01 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 131 points, 522 turns, killed by a boiling potion
21:04 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 655 points, 1758 turns, killed by a small mimic
21:07 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: what does that even mean ("81 off 9 overs")
21:08 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 458 points, 1947 turns, killed by a dog called Polar
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] kdg (Rog Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1612
21:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Clk Mal Law), 1229 points, T:1072, killed by a gnome
21:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:11522
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21:12 <Tangles> bubbles_nh: I'm going to the Aus v Pak T20 game tonight.
21:12 <bubbles_nh> good luck @riker babes
21:12 <bubbles_nh> @Tangles nice!
21:13 <{Demo}> I'm going to bed tonight
21:13 <bubbles_nh> I am going to watch the rest of this match from bed though
21:13 <bubbles_nh> I have "work" tomorrow
21:13 <bubbles_nh> bleh
21:13 <rld> <@rikersan> thanks bubbles lol
21:13 <rld> <@rikersan> ah cricket
21:13 <rld> <@rikersan> wacko baseball
21:14 <Tangles> heh. Which match are you watching? NZ/England?
21:14 <bubbles_nh> Yeah!
21:14 <bubbles_nh> Just got big CdG out
21:14 <bubbles_nh> so it's pretty even I'd say
21:15 <bubbles_nh> Weird team selection though, no buttler what the cuss? I guess new players
21:15 <bubbles_nh> But see you all later my good folks!
21:15 <Tangles> Yeah buttler seems an odd omission.  Anyway' good night!
21:16 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5440 points, 5151 turns, killed by a gargoyle (and 3 other games not reported)
21:18 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 373 points, 3788 turns, killed by a homunculus
21:20 <rld> <@rikersan> oh yeah drain for gain exists
21:21 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 286555 points, 41891 turns, killed by an iron golem
21:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 493 points, 1518 turns, killed by an imp (and 11 other games not reported)
21:29 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 34531 points, 16794 turns, petrified by a chickatrice
21:35 <aosdict> huh, we still have the 'you now detect it where the vampire bat was' bug
21:36 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> "You add the "identify" spell to your repertoire." Awww yeee
21:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 13326 points, 9518 turns, killed by a death ray
21:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased helm of drain resistance", on T:15196
21:41 <rld> <@rikersan> do'nt play with acererak without drain res kids
21:43 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 335340 points, 46003 turns, killed by an invisible titan
21:44 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 203 points, 1027 turns, killed by a falling rock
21:44 <rld> <@rikersan> damnit I broke buer
21:44 <Croesus> [Tr] MHL now has Lesser Rogue!
21:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 405851 points, T:17120, killed by a hellfire colossus
21:49 <rld> <@rikersan> oh well gg
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21:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 18763 points, 14759 turns, killed by an invisible stalker (and one other game not reported)
21:57 <Croesus> [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 578 points, 1827 turns, killed by a wererat
21:57 <aosdict> YANI: If you currently hold charges from the confuse monster scroll (hands glowing red), your spell list gains a "confuse" spell which has a 0% failure rate; using this lets you "zap" the confusion effect in any direction, affecting only the first monster it hits.
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22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a flaming sphere, on T:41544
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22:07 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2144 points, 2624 turns, killed by a rothe
22:12 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 6950 points, 7938 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:41735
22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41739
22:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 373 points, 1109 turns, poisoned by a little dart
22:18 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 113 points, 455 turns, killed by a sewer rat
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22:21 <jonadab> aosdict: Just make the spell AoE.
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22:21 <jonadab> Err, the scroll.
22:22 <aosdict> jonadab: That's the simple solution but might be a little overpowered
22:22 <aosdict> (I was actually going to make it a touch spell.)
22:24 <aosdict> This would allow it to be more useful against higher level stuff, since that would have the standard character level bonus rather than the wimpy scroll bonus versus monster MR.
22:26 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1152 points, 3362 turns, killed by a giant bat
22:30 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: Anerag (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2451848 points, 29492 turns, ascended
22:30 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Anerag/tnnt/dumplog/1572896174.tnnt.html
22:30 <aosdict> Anyone know if anyone's actually _reported_ "travel is completely broken if there are traps between you and the destination" to the devteam?
22:31 <Croesus> [Tr] Anerag now has Both Genders!
22:33 <bug_sniper> !tell larientelrunya guess it's time to start logging channels
22:33 <Beholder> Will do, bug_sniper!
22:34 <bug_sniper> !tell larientelrunya alternatively, start adding the nice patch ideas you've been overlooking while digging out the evil patch ideas
22:34 <Beholder> No worries, bug_sniper, I've got this!
22:36 <bug_sniper> nice patch idea: pit traps filled with pillows that deal absolutely no damage to you and only slow you down
22:37 <bug_sniper> nice patch idea: trapdoors that deploy ladders when you fall into them, letting you instantly climb back up
22:37 <aosdict> that's consistent with how if you fall several floors you also take 0 damage :D
22:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 352 points, 1003 turns, killed by a hobbit
22:37 <bug_sniper> yeah, it is
22:45 <bug_sniper> nice patch idea: give the player an angel minion while entering gehennom and an archon instead of an angel at the astral plane, to make minions and conflict matter more
22:46 <rld> <@John Keel> just found wand of wishing number 3
22:46 <rld> <@John Keel> what is this run
22:47 <rld> <@rikersan> jinxed
22:47 <rld> <@rikersan> you'll get demogorgon off a random horned devil and die instantly
22:47 <rld> <@John Keel> I have effectively 10 amulets of life saving right now
22:47 <aosdict> @luxidream I'm at orcus. Should I apply magicbymccauley tactics?
22:48 <rld> <@luxidream> I got the trifecta in a recent game
22:48 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe he's on to something
22:48 <rld> <@luxidream> :p
22:48 <aosdict> I can't even remember what I was supposed to do, other than avoid walking back across this level to the upstairs.
22:49 <aosdict> get a couple whacks in, then dig down, then levelport 2 floors up?
22:49 <rld> <@rikersan> that's so stupid
22:49 <rld> <@luxidream> tame MR SHOUTY and have him fight orcus
22:50 <aosdict> I do kind of want to see demogorgon though. No one in my clan has killed him yet.
22:52 <rld> <@rikersan> what exactly was mcm's plan?
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22:53 <rld> <@luxidream> he doesn't think orcus is a follower
22:53 <rld> <@luxidream> so
22:53 <rld> <@luxidream> his plan is to come up from below, whack orcus
22:54 <aosdict> @rikersan if you care to dig through the literal tens of thousands of words of arguing on the wiki, go ahead
22:54 <rld> <@luxidream> when he teleports to the stairs, levelport up one level then come back down
22:54 <rld> <@rikersan> aosdict: I didn't want to that's why I asked :)
22:54 <rld> <@rikersan> and uhh yeah ok that's not gonna work
22:54 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> wouldn't that... put you not on the stairs
22:54 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah it'll put you next to it
22:54 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> lmao
22:54 <rld> <@rikersan> generally I save wands of tele - zap them real quick and step on
22:54 <rld> <@rikersan> it's easier that way
22:54 <rld> <@luxidream> well, that's the least of his factual errors
22:56 <Croesus> [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2670 points, 2662 turns, killed by a jaguar
22:56 <Croesus> [US] [D]: OtsMcGee (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 305 points, 1040 turns, killed by a hobbit
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23:02 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: dingotron (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1040 points, 2147 turns, quit
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23:08 <aosdict> mystery of the day: why are so many elves wandering around in hell
23:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 2235 points, 6418 turns, killed by a giant ant
23:12 <bug_sniper> @le?hellgnome
23:12 <Beholder> hellgnome ~2~ bell gnome (G) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 0d0 touch gives-you-parkinsons | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible
23:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 127 points, 421 turns, killed by a kobold mummy
23:13 <bug_sniper> !le?hellelf
23:13 <bug_sniper> @le?hellelf
23:13 <Beholder> hellelf ~3~ hellcat (f) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 6 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 3d10 bite fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible
23:13 <bug_sniper> @le?devil elf
23:13 <Beholder> devil elf ~3~ evil fly (a) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold poison | Confers: poison | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -7 | Attacks: 1d22 sting drain dex, 1d22 sting bad-random-effect | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, oviparous, poisonous
23:13 <aosdict> @le?hellbat
23:13 <Beholder> hellbat (B) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 22 | Res: fire | Confers: fire | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d12 bite fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravisible
23:13 <bug_sniper> sorry, I can't explain it either
23:14 * aosdict is mildly surprised that he guessed a slex monster in one go
23:14 <aosdict> @le?pointy mugger
23:14 <Beholder> No such monster.
23:14 <bug_sniper> @le?demon elf
23:14 <Beholder> demon elf ~3~ demon dog (d) | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 13 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: 2 | Attacks: 4d10 bite physical, 3d7 breath drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore
23:15 <bouquet> oh how cruel... a 5x3 spellbook store on dlvl2. I should just dig straight down and leave them all for bones
23:15 <bug_sniper> well, at least with the wide variety, I'm more likely to stumble into a random monster with whatever  Isearch for
23:16 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 17273 points, 7684 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow
23:17 <bouquet> 15 spellbooks for the price of 1 tripe ration.
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23:21 <eraserhead9761> G is >so painful< without TC - I think I might have to wish for =oTC
23:24 <Andrio> I wonder whether you should wish for that, or maybe a magic marker to write genocide scrolls and summon tengu.
23:25 <eraserhead9761> that's actually a decent idea... ...but I'm pretty close to doing Run so I'll prolly burn a wish
23:25 <eraserhead9761> I'm actually short on empty scrolls from writing MMs
23:35 <eraserhead9761> ahhh... ...forgot I can dip in the moats - then I can write some more ?oMMs
23:42 <eraserhead9761> crapola - forgot about Orcus - sloppy game 8^P
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