00:02 <Croesus> [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 617 points, 2184 turns, killed by a pony
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00:03 <Tangles> bouquet: Yeah it has been for a while now. 
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00:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1278 points, 2472 turns, killed by a woodchuck called REMOVE ORCTOWN (and 100 other games not reported)
00:15 <Croesus> [EU] [E]: HarmathZsolt (Pri-Hum-Mal-Law), 1625 points, 3077 turns, escaped
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00:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 152 points, 265 turns, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik; the shopkeeper (and 70 other games not reported)
00:17 <eraserhead97> anyone ever successfully polymorph elven cloaks into MR cloaks?
00:19 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> I'm sure it's been done at some point, any armor piece can become a CoMR if it doesn't eventually shudder
00:20 <eraserhead97> I didn't know that - I thought you needed polypile magic armor...
00:20 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> it helps - any armor piece will try 3 times to keep its "magic" property (mundane items also try to turn into mundane items)
00:20 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> but idk if elven cloaks are magical ectually
00:21 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> the other random cloaks certainly are and the special boots
00:21 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> DSM maybe?
00:21 <Tangles> elven cloaks and boots are magical.
00:21 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> ah
00:23 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1402 points, 1874 turns, killed by a hill orc
00:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 350 points, 122 turns, killed by a large mimic (and 74 other games not reported)
00:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 53 points, 190 turns, killed by a boulder (and 14 other games not reported)
00:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 289 points, 592 turns, killed by an electric shock (and 14 other games not reported)
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00:39 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 410 points, 1537 turns, killed by a dagger
00:39 <Croesus> [US] ShivanHunter has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns.
00:41 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 206 points, 272 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and 123 other games not reported)
00:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 440146 points, 34588 turns, killed by a touch of death (and 12 other games not reported)
00:46 <bug_sniper> ShivianHunter, was that 123 games of start scumming?
00:47 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> yeah I'm doing like over 9000 conducts and the RNG is being obstinate about giving me stuff
00:47 <bug_sniper> oh I see
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00:49 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 146 points, 548 turns, killed by a grid bug
00:50 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 27 points, 137 turns, killed by a goblin (and 47 other games not reported)
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00:51 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> and god DAMN as soon as I get a great starting roll I forget to unwield my quarterstaff and void Weaponless conduct
00:52 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> I've done this like 2147483647 times now
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00:55 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 148 points, 316 turns, killed by a gnome (and 30 other games not reported)
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00:55 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1134 points, 1937 turns, killed by a gray ooze (and one other game not reported)
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01:01 <Croesus> [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1396 points, 3140 turns, killed by a wolf
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01:11 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1130 points, 3528 turns, killed by a black unicorn
01:14 <eraserhead97> crapola - 4 rezzes and I couldn't get a D scale drop 8^P
01:18 <eraserhead97> need a unicorn badly
01:18 <eraserhead97> unihorn - damn the spell-checker
01:20 <rld> <@Tone> dragon scale drop rate is severely reduced if they were resurrected
01:20 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: mach (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 110 points, 341 turns, killed by a dwarf
01:20 <eraserhead97> ya - I calculated it once - I forget how many charges you need to have a decent chance - something like 10
01:21 <eraserhead97> 8^P looks like I gotta retreat from medusa - no grease, no conflict to counter the eals
01:21 <eraserhead97> eels
01:22 <eraserhead97> hmm... ...maybe I can use the camera
01:22 <rld> <@Tone> wand of cold, wand of tele, levitation toggle, ranged attacks; are all good options
01:22 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 962 points, 2001 turns, killed by a gnome
01:23 <Croesus> [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 119 points, 580 turns, killed by a riding accident
01:25 <eraserhead97> thx for tips ^^
01:30 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 717 points, 1499 turns, killed by a giant spider
01:31 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4!
01:32 <Croesus> [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4!
01:32 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 839 points, 1833 turns, killed by a giant bat
01:34 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4!
01:37 <Croesus> [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4!
01:38 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4!
01:39 <eraserhead97> sorry, white uni... ...need your horn
01:40 <Croesus> [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4!
01:42 <Andrio> Murder
01:45 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4!
01:46 <Croesus> [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4!
01:46 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1902 points, 4936 turns, killed by a gold golem
01:47 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4!
01:47 <eraserhead97> redrum
01:50 <Tangles> ugh this ranking crap again.
01:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] charkong (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2902 points, T:6039, killed by a Woodland-elf, while fainted from lack of food
01:54 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1927 points, 3681 turns, killed by a fire ant
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01:55 <eraserhead97> wand of cancellation will fly over boulder?
01:56 <eraserhead97> Projectiles go over, but I don't know about wands...
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01:57 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: ogmobot (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 15122 points, 9332 turns, killed by a leocrotta
01:58 <eraserhead97> yup - that worked
01:58 <Croesus> [R] Clan #pray moves to ranking position 9!
01:59 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 74 points, 193 turns, killed by a kobold
02:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-02 06:00 UTC: Games: 1036, Asc: 0, Scum: 963. 234283 turns, 649780 points. 2d 03:02 gametime. (60%Wiz), (53%Hum), (49%Cha), (60%Mal), 28d 17:59 remaining.
02:00 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 36 points, 284 turns, killed by a goblin
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02:03 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 961 points, 4068 turns, killed by a pony
02:04 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 161 points, 436 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
02:05 <raisse> hm, when I try to read $ and I don't have any, it says "You cannot read gold" 
02:06 <raisse> confusing, because I understood it as "It's impossible to read coins" rather than "You don't have any coins to read"
02:08 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 122 points, 551 turns, killed by a small mimic
02:08 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 420 points, 1027 turns, killed by the wrath of Thoth
02:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:22094
02:10 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 31 points, 290 turns, killed by a jackal
02:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: winny (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2222 points, 3282 turns, killed by a yeti
02:14 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 411 points, 1602 turns, killed by a giant bat, while unconscious from rotten food
02:15 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 257 points, 1421 turns, killed by a giant rat
02:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 217 points, 1112 turns, killed by a giant rat
02:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22254
02:30 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1693 points, 2778 turns, killed by a wolf
02:32 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 232 points, 692 turns, killed by a bat
02:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: winny (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1071 points, 2254 turns, killed by a dwarf
02:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: AntiVirus (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 202 points, 874 turns, killed by a water demon
02:38 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 204 points, 846 turns, killed by a coyote
02:38 <Croesus> [US] [D]: AntiVirus (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 65 points, 359 turns, killed by a water moccasin, while sleeping
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03:14 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 6609 points, 8618 turns, killed by a lizard, while taking off clothes
03:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 10900 points, 11008 turns, killed by a troll (and 34 other games not reported)
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03:28 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: DarkLightDragon (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 7430 points, 6318 turns, killed by a troll (and one other game not reported)
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03:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: winny (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6321 points, 5277 turns, killed by an owlbear
03:56 <Croesus> [US] [A]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1089258 points, 52348 turns, ascended
03:56 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572670543.tnnt.html
03:57 <Croesus> [Tr] Luxidream now has Most Conducts in One Ascension and Lowest Scoring Ascension!
03:58 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 12691 points, 10345 turns, killed by a troll
04:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 93 points, 233 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a trap (and 10 other games not reported)
04:05 <Croesus> [R] Clan Kitten Lovers MEOW! moves to ranking position 4!
04:05 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad moves to ranking position 14!
04:05 <Croesus> [R] Clan Free State Project moves to ranking position 10!
04:05 <Croesus> [R] Clan Team Ant moves to ranking position 12!
04:06 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 848 points, 1301 turns, killed by a hill orc called Thosaruk of Haiogun
04:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 3061 points, 3293 turns, killed by a bolt of fire (and 10 other games not reported)
04:10 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 198 points, 968 turns, killed by a fox
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04:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Ran-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2184 points, 2707 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping
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04:38 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Law), 16043 points, 9039 turns, quit (and 31 other games not reported)
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04:48 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad moves to ranking position 14!
04:48 <Croesus> [R] Clan Free State Project moves to ranking position 10!
04:48 <Croesus> [R] Clan Team Ant moves to ranking position 12!
04:48 <Croesus> [R] New clan registered - Amateur Hour!
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05:00 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2601 points, 3389 turns, poisoned by a giant spider
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05:48 <Croesus> [US] [A]: MHL (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2398250 points, 35870 turns, ascended
05:48 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MHL/tnnt/dumplog/1572657193.tnnt.html
05:48 <Croesus> [Tr] MHL now has Highest Scoring Ascension!
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05:57 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 562 points, 2082 turns, killed by a hill orc
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05:58 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 63 points, 249 turns, killed by a sewer rat
05:59 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 311 points, 1109 turns, killed by a gecko
06:01 <rld> <@FIQ> Tangles: fun fact -- NitroHack's server protocol was made infamous when the nethack4 server died around June 24th and was down for over a week. June.
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06:02 <rld> <@FIQ> Morning
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06:07 <Andrio> o.
06:07 <Andrio> o/
06:12 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 626 points, 1965 turns, killed by a giant ant
06:22 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: DarkLightDragon (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 7562 points, 5408 turns, killed by a raven
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06:54 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 405 points, 814 turns, killed by a giant ant
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07:05 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 258 points, 1313 turns, killed by a water elemental
07:07 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: joes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1046 points, 3161 turns, killed by a small mimic
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07:08 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 254 points, 423 turns, killed by a gnome king
07:11 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 620 points, 2449 turns, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food
07:13 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 154 points, 583 turns, killed by a grid bug, while sleeping
07:18 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 220 points, 1077 turns, killed by a mind flayer
07:19 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 139 points, 688 turns, killed by a water demon
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07:28 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 437 points, 1379 turns, killed by a straw golem
07:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: joes (Ran-Hum-Fem-Cha), 404 points, 1466 turns, killed by a kitten
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07:34 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 113 points, 374 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a trap
07:35 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6414 points, 4754 turns, killed by a werewolf
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07:36 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1675 points, 3039 turns, killed by a vampire
07:44 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 336 points, 1639 turns, killed by a giant bat
07:44 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: HarmathZsolt (Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu), 7524 points, 4903 turns, killed by a soldier ant
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07:53 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 825 points, 2665 turns, killed by a giant ant
07:56 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 170 points, 874 turns, killed by a sewer rat
07:57 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: HarmathZsolt (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 527 points, 1020 turns, killed by a wolf
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08:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-02 12:00 UTC: Games: 1176, Asc: 2, Scum: 1049. 452411 turns, 4245869 points. 3d 12:53 gametime. (61%Wiz), (46%Hum), (43%Neu), (52%Mal), 28d 11:59 remaining.
08:01 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Luna (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 146 points, 1712 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
08:15 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1442 points, 2543 turns, killed by a watch captain
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08:35 <stenno> FIQ: hi
08:36 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2901 points, 6901 turns, killed by a soldier ant
08:41 <FIQ> stenno: hi
08:41 <stenno> sup?
08:42 <FIQ> not doing much atm, I was planning on splatting some tourists soon
08:42 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: voffer (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2606654 points, 35482 turns, ascended
08:42 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/v/voffer/tnnt/dumplog/1572634565.tnnt.html
08:42 <FIQ> just following up on other stuff first because NetHack has a habit of draining more time than I anticipate
08:43 <Croesus> [Tr] voffer now has Highest Scoring Ascension!
08:43 <Croesus> [R] Clan Kitten Lovers MEOW! moves to ranking position 3!
08:43 <stenno> hah true
08:44 <FIQ> K2: DT added you to dat/history btw
08:45 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 18778 points, 9549 turns, killed by a mumak (and one other game not reported)
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08:51 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 160 points, 1268 turns, killed by a fox
08:53 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 34108 points, 11472 turns, killed by a bolt of cold (and 31 other games not reported)
08:53 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> bollox
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09:03 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 98 points, 343 turns, killed by an exploding crystal ball
09:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 11439 points, 4457 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted yeti
09:16 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2926 points, 3627 turns, killed by a water demon
09:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 263 points, 1405 turns, killed by a gecko
09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5470
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09:31 <K2> hi all
09:31 <K2> FIQ yeah i just saw that
09:31 <K2> coolio
09:31 <K2> they added Tangles also
09:32 <FIQ> and me apparently
09:32 <FIQ> not sure if they added any others
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09:33 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 4754 points, 2741 turns, killed by an arrow
09:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 830 points, 1970 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
09:34 <FIQ> K2: you fixed tt_oname in DynaHack, right?
09:34 <K2> um
09:34 <K2> not sure
09:34 <FIQ> I mentioned it a while back
09:34 <K2> that doesnt sound familiar
09:34 <FIQ> libnitrohack/src/topten.c
09:35 <FIQ> tt_oname should never interact with the scoreboard file
09:35 <K2> i'll have to look
09:35 <FIQ> it doesn't save the data correctly, and thus it will cause a desync 100% of the time whenever the player enters the Valley
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09:36 <FIQ> also in graveyards and possibly Medusa, but a desync from that shouldn't lead to anything bad because player name differences shouldn't cause a change in behaviour
09:37 <FIQ> there's an additional problem if the scoreboard has less than 100 entries
09:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 4577 points, 3021 turns, killed by a fire ant
09:37 <FIQ> then it will desync 100% the moment it opens the file due to the non-100-rank re-rolls
09:38 <FIQ> so basically, the less it interacts with the scoreboard, the better
09:38 <K2> i need to create our own dynahack repo
09:38 <FIQ> saves do account for bones, so that isn't a problem
09:38 <FIQ> it's the scoreboard that causes problems
09:38 <K2> i have 3 edits but no where to push
09:38 <K2> FIQ is this it?
09:38 <K2> Fix: remove the ability to find statues/corpses of former players, as this feature causes desyncs whenever someone ascends (thanks FIQ).
09:39 <FIQ> that sounds like it
09:39 <FIQ> what is the diff?
09:39 <FIQ> just in case it was changed properly
09:39 <K2> let me create a repo of this so we can see the changes properly
09:39 <FIQ> fair
09:40 <K2> oh wait i do have one
09:40 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/DynaHack/commits/unnethack
09:40 <K2> was looking under Tangles account
09:40 <FIQ> "unnethack"
09:40 <K2> that was set as default when i forked it from tung
09:41 <FIQ> ah
09:41 <FIQ> yes
09:41 <FIQ> fix should work
09:41 <FIQ> ok
09:41 <FIQ> thanks
09:41 <K2> np
09:41 <FIQ> well it obviously isn't the only problem
09:41 <FIQ> since apparently @luxidream was having issues despite this fix in place
09:41 <K2> i kinda want to redo this repo so its searchable
09:42 <FIQ> I've discovered a bunch of problems when playing the last few weeks every now and then
09:42 <K2> are you going to 'fix' dynahack?
09:42 <FIQ> and I think I now have a fully working dynahack save system
09:42 <FIQ> but I need to ascend a game
09:42 <FIQ> to make sure it fully works
09:42 <FIQ> there is also the problem lux encountered, that I've only heard once before, by ais523
09:42 <FIQ> where the game all of a sudden decides that corrupting every save ever is a good idea
09:43 <K2> ugh
09:43 <FIQ> and as a result corrupts the middle of a file mostly at random with option changes
09:43 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Entitas (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 756 points, 1849 turns, killed by a gnome
09:43 <FIQ> I cannot debug this, since I only have the result (a corrupt save)
09:43 <FIQ> well, I have a save at a state before the infamous options corruptions
09:43 <FIQ> that ais523 also encountered
09:44 <FIQ> but at that point, the save is already ruined from something unrelated
09:44 <FIQ> idk what is going on and why it does that
09:44 <K2> hrm
09:44 <FIQ> basically
09:44 <FIQ> something lux did caused the save to corrupt to a point where DynaHack was confused over where the file ends
09:44 <FIQ> so it proceeds to do this:
09:44 <FIQ> * try to load the save, failing due to to read errors in the regular NH3-style save
09:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7929
09:45 <FIQ> * try to load diffs, also failing
09:45 <FIQ> * at this point, the game is confused at where it is in the file and decides to write options to the save (???)
09:45 <FIQ> * try to fallback to the NitroHack load method (commands), failing because of the options corruption
09:45 <FIQ> * give up and ask if the user wants to remove the save
09:47 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 155 points, 328 turns, killed by a kobold zombie
09:47 <K2> maybe at the point wherew the game is confused, have it write to a new save file instead of original
09:47 <FIQ> 3rd part leads to options being written mostly at random, overwriting critical parts of the save -- the major thing ais523 recalled when I asked him about 4.2 save problems
09:47 <FIQ> K2: well, I assume the game somehow thinks it successfully loaded the save
09:48 <FIQ> but since the options loaded is wrong (does it even have options set up at all?) so it corrects it in the save
09:48 <FIQ> you get like 5 errors
09:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 15388 points, T:8413, poisoned by a killer bee
09:48 <FIQ> during the entire process
09:48 <K2> it might be easier to do what you alluded to earlier - rebase dynahack onto fiqhack
09:49 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1896 points, 4324 turns, killed by a dagger
09:49 <FIQ> well, so far my tweaks has lead to dynahack saves never failing to load
09:49 <FIQ> but I've only played up to minetown
09:49 <FIQ> it might get bad later
09:49 <FIQ> how should I know
09:49 <K2> i see
09:49 <K2> yeah you have to go from start to finish
09:50 <FIQ> there was a vision_reset missing in the save load process
09:50 <FIQ> I remember having problems when I was messing with FIQHack's replaymode
09:50 <FIQ> that turned out to be a result of a missing vision_reset during gamestate initialization
09:51 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 846 points, 1220 turns, killed by a watchman
09:51 <K2> ah
09:51 <FIQ> since then, loading a game without any saving hasn't failed once
09:51 <FIQ> but it isn't the only problem
09:52 <FIQ> there is also the matter of null diffs
09:52 <FIQ> after you load a DynaHack save, the current state of the last diff is empty
09:52 <FIQ> as a result, the diff it creates is 1: huge, 2: partially (subtly) wrong
09:53 <FIQ> it's usually subtle enough that the game can make do, but sometimes it fails
09:53 <K2> i dont envy you working on this
09:53 <FIQ> which is most easily seen if you use replaymode -- the game very often fails to load the replay correctly after your first save
09:53 <K2> but its necessary :/
09:53 <FIQ> meaning that the gamestate somehow changed
09:53 <FIQ> which ironically means that the *less* you save a DynaHack game
09:54 <K2> i'd like to not have a repeat of luxi's 30+ corrupt saves
09:54 <FIQ> the safer your save seems to be
09:54 <FIQ> a temporary fix of mine when debugging was to make "saving" the game simply just do nothing
09:54 <FIQ> it will then use the crash handler, which will ironically restore the game to a fully working order with a correct gamestate
09:54 <FIQ> I... don't know why
09:55 <FIQ> coupled with an attempted fix to null diffs, this also "fixes" save+load bugs
09:55 <FIQ> by, well
09:55 <FIQ> not actually saving
09:55 <FIQ> :P
09:55 <FIQ> but it's obviously a ridiculous fix
09:55 <K2> heh
09:56 <FIQ> and will also make loading a longer game take forever
09:56 <FIQ> I remember having to deal with that in old NH4.3 saves on N4O
09:56 <FIQ> it was awful
09:56 <FIQ> the game could take over a minute
09:56 <FIQ> to load a game
09:56 <K2> oh wow really
09:57 <rld> <@luxidream> better than eating the save
09:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 806 points, T:1350, killed by a bolt of lightning
10:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 137 points, 688 turns, killed by a jackal
10:05 <FIQ> man the dynahack indentation is awful
10:06 <FIQ> and I don't mean like "my indentation is better than yours"
10:06 <Croesus> [US] [D]: elron (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 245 points, 677 turns, killed by a sewer rat
10:06 <FIQ> but it's wildly inconsistent
10:06 <FIQ> it mixes tabs and spaces all over the place
10:06 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: thorsb (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 441 points, 970 turns, killed by a dwarf
10:07 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3268 points, 3136 turns, killed by a leocrotta
10:07 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Luna (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2860 points, 2243 turns, killed by an arrow
10:08 <K2> *cough* rebase *cough*
10:09 <FIQ> I assume you are aware of the fact that I'd basically be doing what dynahack already took forever to do
10:09 <FIQ> again?
10:11 <K2> yeah but more betterly
10:11 * K2 used improper grammar on purpose
10:12 <FIQ> I mean
10:12 <FIQ> I've considered it
10:12 <FIQ> mostly just to see how much of an exercise it would be
10:12 <FIQ> tested to playback my current dyna game in replay
10:13 <FIQ> it cleared Minetown (orctown, naturally...) and has just cleared Sokoban
10:13 <FIQ> on T:10k-ish
10:13 <FIQ> without problems
10:14 <K2> awesome
10:14 <K2> thats encouraging
10:15 <FIQ> still can't deal with backwards replay for some reason without problems, idk why, but that's strictly a replaymode problem
10:15 <FIQ> a normal game will never need to rewind a save
10:15 <FIQ> unless it's replayed from turn 1
10:16 <FIQ> probably just some data missing in checkpoints
10:16 <FIQ> oh well
10:18 * K2 watches for a commit from FIQ entitled 'oh well'
10:19 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1643 points, 2806 turns, killed by a hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze
10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] LoneWolf (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 13039 points, T:10118, killed by a bolt of cold
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10:22 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2072 points, 3599 turns, killed by a water demon
10:26 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 228 points, 570 turns, killed by a small mimic
10:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Luna (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 68 points, 796 turns, killed by a fox
10:32 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 551 points, 1492 turns, killed by a dwarf
10:33 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1143 points, 2412 turns, poisoned by a killer bee
10:33 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Graydot (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 444 points, 1582 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
10:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1936 points, 4302 turns, killed by a water troll
10:41 <FIQ> !tell ais523 Managed to track down several subtle problems with 4.2-save. 1: Last diff state isn't loaded correctly when 4.2 loads a save in any way (easy fix). 2: Loading a save using NH3-style load will not load the state fully. I have yet to figure out the reason for this, but there are subtle differences in diffs it creates from loading in NH3 vs never going through a save-load cycle (assuming 1 is
10:41 <Beholder> ais523 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ.
10:41 <FIQ> fixed -- otherwise the diff will obviously be massively different). Making the "save" function not actually create a NH3 save will, combined with 1, allow the game to correctly restore the gamestate fully.
10:42 <FIQ> !tell ais523 fixed -- otherwise the diff will obviously be massively different). Making the "save" function not actually create a NH3 save will, combined with a fix to 1, allow the game to correctly restore the gamestate fully.
10:42 <Beholder> No worries, FIQ, I've got this!
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10:47 <FIQ> K2: arguably, it might be worthwhile to disable NH3 saves from dyna completely unless it leads to too long load times -- it would allow a person to immediately realize whether or not a save has encountered a critical problem simply by doing a save/load cycle
10:47 <K2> hmm
10:48 <FIQ> I'll see how long it does become in the end -- this is pre-AI-travel changes that exist in 4.3
10:48 <FIQ> so the engine should still be fast
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10:51 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 445 points, 1609 turns, killed by a falling rock
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10:53 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 23916 points, 15787 turns, killed by a dwarf king, while sleeping (and 2 other games not reported)
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10:54 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1196 points, 3229 turns, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food
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10:55 <Croesus> [US] [D]: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 6979 points, 7078 turns, killed by a panther
11:02 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 511 points, 2391 turns, killed by a homunculus
11:02 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2495 points, 3779 turns, killed by Izchak; the shopkeeper (and 9 other games not reported)
11:03 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 43 points, 301 turns, killed by a falling object
11:05 <FIQ> err
11:05 <FIQ> I have a suspicion of what is going on
11:05 <FIQ> before the game actually performs the save
11:05 <FIQ> it does this: vision_recalc(2);       /* shut down vision to prevent problems */
11:05 <FIQ> I am pretty sure that this *causes* issues
11:06 <FIQ> all right, let's see if this fixes it
11:07 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 74 points, 551 turns, killed by a newt
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11:10 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bugpowder (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 27467 points, 11530 turns, petrified by a chickatrice
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11:14 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: squolly (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1846 points, 5278 turns, killed by a killer bee
11:15 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 30772 points, 19410 turns, petrified by a cockatrice
11:16 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Elder Ones moves to ranking position 7!
11:18 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 744 points, 2315 turns, killed by a wererat
11:19 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1386 points, 3082 turns, killed by a watch captain, while praying
11:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] LoneWolf (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 634 points, T:1191, killed by a falling rock
11:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] LoneWolf (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 56 points, T:39, fell into a pit
11:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 25 points, 386 turns, killed by a kobold, while sleeping
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11:26 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1098 points, 5751 turns, killed by a hill orc
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11:31 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: bubbles (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3622 points, 1484 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
11:34 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1429 points, 2495 turns, killed by a fire ant
11:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: thorsb (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3696 points, 3478 turns, killed by a fire ant
11:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Luna (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 211 points, 1653 turns, killed by a hobbit
11:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2919 points, 5119 turns, caught himself in his own magical blast
11:36 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings  moves to ranking position 9!
11:44 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 6492 points, 9373 turns, killed by a Green-elf, while praying
11:45 <Croesus> [R] Clan Team Ant moves to ranking position 9!
11:45 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1540 points, 4340 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
11:47 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 63 points, 325 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs (and one other game not reported)
11:47 <bouquet> is there a unique git for nethack-hdf?
11:49 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 99 points, 298 turns, killed by a jackal, while unconscious from rotten food
11:51 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Anerag (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 548 points, 1621 turns, killed by a giant mimic
11:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] LoneWolf (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1038 points, T:2439, killed by a giant bat
12:02 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: voffer (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 359 points, 947 turns, killed by a giant mimic
12:02 <K2> bouquet - https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/hardfought
12:02 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1441 points, 2801 turns, killed by a giant ant, while praying (and one other game not reported)
12:05 <bouquet> thanks!
12:07 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 621 points, 1447 turns, killed by a little dog
12:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: engelson (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 776 points, 2063 turns, killed by a rothe
12:11 <bubbles_nh> omg I am such an idiito I wished for flying boots on a half dragon xDDD
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12:16 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: voffer (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1015 points, 2386 turns, killed by a killer bee
12:17 <bubbles_nh> \o/
12:19 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 31 points, 219 turns, killed by a kobold zombie
12:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 189166 points, 29499 turns, petrified by a chickatrice
12:20 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1702 points, 4168 turns, killed by a dwarf lord
12:20 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 502 points, 1276 turns, killed by a boulder
12:21 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 42 points, 124 turns, killed by a goblin
12:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Mal-Law), 585 points, 2269 turns, killed by a giant bat
12:24 <Croesus> [US] [A]: malor (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2892906 points, 40032 turns, ascended
12:24 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/tnnt/dumplog/1572600693.tnnt.html
12:25 <Croesus> [Tr] malor now has Highest Scoring Ascension!
12:25 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 3!
12:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 308 points, 1284 turns, killed by a jackal
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12:27 <rld> <@malor> bubbles - hopefully the flying boots were "hiking boots" at least 🙂
12:27 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: bragi (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 39577 points, 12934 turns, killed by an owlbear
12:28 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings  moves to ranking position 9!
12:29 <rld> <@rikersan> congrats malor!
12:29 <rld> <@rikersan> also I like your annotations for the thunderdome :)
12:30 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 417 points, 1374 turns, killed by a goblin
12:31 <rld> <@malor> what the
12:31 <rld> <@malor> yeah, when I first see something really weird I annotate as you sometimes get more information in the "control-O" sub-menu.
12:32 <bubbles_nh> @maornope
12:33 <rld> <@malor> This game had some first for me: - Used all but 3 charges from an expensive camera.  All of which were used on myself since I found a towel so late in the game.  (No blindfold ever) - Intentional use of "destroy armor" for value. - I messed up and used a "gold detection" while I was NOT confused so I had to find the portal on "water" the "hard way".  It actually wasn't too bad, I just kept moving around the bubbles.
12:34 <Muad> destroy armor for erodeproofing or getting rid of something?
12:34 <Pinkbeast> Huh, I know hilarita IRL
12:34 <bubbles_nh> Does dnh have ctrl-o annotations too?
12:35 <rld> <@rikersan> not sure it ctrl o works but the extended cmd does
12:35 <rld> <@malor> yes
12:35 <Croesus> [US] [D]: every (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 3715 points, 4790 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
12:35 <rld> <@malor> my gosh bubbles, please say you knew about ctrl-o and annotate.  That's one of the best Quality of life things ever!
12:35 <rld> <@rikersan> probably not
12:35 <rld> <@malor> ctrl-o -> works.
12:35 <rld> <@rikersan> ah neat
12:36 <rld> <@rikersan> I use it for where I drop spbks
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12:36 <rld> <@rikersan> pre branhcporting or magic chest
12:36 <rld> <@malor> yeah, I note when I drop things due to over-capacity.  When I remember anyway.  At least once per game I drop an ascension item and don't note it 🙂
12:36 <rld> <@rikersan> same
12:37 <rld> <@rikersan> last asc I just fully could not find my protection bk
12:37 <rld> <@rikersan> like it was one of my starting spells
12:37 <rld> <@rikersan> and it gives like 20 AC
12:37 <rld> <@rikersan> but I suck at keeping track :)
12:40 <rld> <@malor> I under-use protection when it isn't in my initial spells.  I always refresh it prior to end-game-start and still never use it 🙂  Even though it definitely helps even during end-game.
12:40 <rld> <@malor> in dnh anyway.  Not so good in vanilla.
12:40 <rld> <@rikersan> ye I try to lol
12:40 <bubbles_nh> malor i knew about ctl-o but not annotate
12:40 <rld> <@rikersan> you know how to maintain spells right?
12:40 <bubbles_nh> protections is amazing in dnh
12:41 <bubbles_nh> Because AC is worth double
12:41 <bubbles_nh> I use it with strong enemies
12:41 <bubbles_nh> But I don't maintain
12:41 <rld> <@malor> ok, that's good.  Annotate will help you a ton going forward though.  It makes it so you can drop some items without permanently losing them.
12:41 <bubbles_nh> How do I annotate?
12:41 <bubbles_nh> ah #annotate
12:41 <rld> <@malor> #annotate
12:41 <bubbles_nh> Cool!
12:41 <rld> <@malor> #an is probably enough
12:41 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1124 points, 2618 turns, killed by a homunculus, while praying
12:41 <rld> <@rikersan> maintaining is helpful once you've got eregen
12:42 <rld> <@rikersan> drains pw over time but automatically recasts the spell
12:42 <rld> <@rikersan> requires you not be confused but it will work with spells with moderately low failure rates (it tries 6 times each recast)
12:44 <FIQ> found another DynaHack desync
12:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Law), 102 points, T:299, killed by a jackal
12:44 <FIQ> hallu causes problems, need to figure out the exact circumstances
12:44 <rld> <@malor> I still haven't ever done a "maintain spell".  I need to remember to use that.
12:44 <rld> <@rikersan> go to the spell menu and hit #
12:45 <rld> <@rikersan> Z -> ? for help, # for maintain, + to rearrange
12:45 <rld> <@rikersan> like within the spell menu itself, though you can still do + by itself I think
12:45 <bubbles_nh> Oohh yes please
12:45 <rld> <@malor> yeah, I know how to use it.  I don't know why I don't use it 🙂
12:45 <rld> <@rikersan> ah nice, guarenteed first sac gifts ftw
12:45 <rld> <@malor> Helping Hand -> that replaces your wish for the flying boots very nicely!
12:45 <rld> <@rikersan> it's the law monk first gift :)
12:46 <bubbles_nh> Ah always? noice
12:46 <FIQ> looks like NH4.3 fixes this in 4c8b7da7c3ef6580978f3b32ce9764a7659f6fa8
12:46 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah cuz of the rules for monk gifts
12:46 <bubbles_nh> Ace
12:46 <rld> <@rikersan> it goes for non-weps, and the first gift is always strictly coaligned
12:46 <bubbles_nh> I always get the cloak of the unheld as neutral#
12:46 <bubbles_nh> which is quite tasty too
12:46 <bubbles_nh> What do chao get?
12:47 <rld> <@malor> Speaking of first gifts -> I never received "cleaver" in my recent TNNT game.  And I sacrificed enough to get a spellbook and eventually "hand of whoever".  But no "cleaver".
12:47 <rld> <@rikersan> pretty sure the neu one will always be unheld, and the chaotic has a bunch of options
12:47 <bubbles_nh> Already generated?
12:47 <rld> <@malor> might have been, but I did wish for an artifact that succeeded, so I'm not sure.
12:47 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: arkenstone, marauder's, whisperfeet, water flowers, hammerfeet, stormhelm look like the valid optoins
12:47 <bubbles_nh> Ahtons
12:47 <bubbles_nh> Ah tons*
12:48 <bubbles_nh> I was really dumb this game
12:48 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah there's only one neu non-weapon (non-body armor) giftable arti, and same with law
12:48 <bubbles_nh> I converted the quest altar
12:48 <rld> <@rikersan> btw don't do the quest yet
12:48 <rld> <@rikersan> it will CLAP you without very fast speed
12:48 <bubbles_nh> riker I clapped him
12:48 <bubbles_nh> I cast protection
12:48 <bubbles_nh> he hit me for like 15
12:48 <bubbles_nh> I hit him twice
12:48 <rld> <@rikersan> oh, chromatic dragon?
12:48 <bubbles_nh> he DED
12:48 <bubbles_nh> Nah
12:49 <bubbles_nh> he wasjust a wimp
12:49 <rld> <@rikersan> ah ok don't do THAT
12:49 <bubbles_nh> yeah fro real
12:49 <bubbles_nh> I didn't even have mres when I did the quest
12:49 <rld> <@rikersan> have you seen the stats on diplodocus? I started using death wands on them
12:49 <bubbles_nh> but you know my motto: "yolo"
12:49 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: voffer (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 924 points, 1930 turns, killed by a dog
12:49 <bubbles_nh> @d?diplodocus
12:49 <Beholder> No such monster.
12:49 <rld> <@rikersan> 8d12 whack lmao
12:49 <bubbles_nh> I went through 2 /oCreatemonster on that stupid quest altar
12:50 <bouquet> hardfought ipv6 isn't responding for me. So embarrasing to use v4...
12:50 <bubbles_nh> Forgetting X and E don't corpse :(
12:50 <rld> <@rikersan> don't bother as a half-dragon imo
12:50 <bubbles_nh> Don't bother with which one sorry?
12:50 <rld> <@rikersan> well yeah but most of the D that spawn are same-race sac
12:50 <bubbles_nh> omg didn' even think of that
12:50 <rld> <@rikersan> the quest altar under karnov on the home level
12:50 <bubbles_nh> cuss, thanks!
12:50 <bubbles_nh> Yeah, it's moloch
12:50 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean if you didn't summon demons you're fine
12:50 <bubbles_nh> i did it, I am stupid
12:50 <bubbles_nh> It did, but I clapped them hard
12:50 <bubbles_nh> I got PH on like XL2
12:50 <rld> <@rikersan> ..... nice
12:51 <bubbles_nh> GrandMaster arts, Master 2hand
12:51 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah ok don't do that again
12:51 <bubbles_nh> i won't!
12:51 <bubbles_nh> mordor chaos quest, meh
12:51 <rld> <@rikersan> it's good for your ring collections
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12:52 <rld> <@rikersan> also jesus I haven't seen chaos1 in ages recently
12:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: towardsdawn (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 294 points, 1743 turns, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food
12:52 <bubbles_nh> Me neither
12:52 <bubbles_nh> Seems to always be chaos3 for me (except this one)
12:52 <bubbles_nh> yeah tons of =, but no identify
12:52 <rld> <@rikersan> hey bubbles pick me a role/race
12:52 <bubbles_nh> I haven't even id id yet
12:52 <bubbles_nh> dnh riker?
12:52 <rld> <@rikersan> find a sink or altar and wear-test non-cursed
12:52 <rld> <@rikersan> ye
12:52 <bubbles_nh> Vampire binder
12:52 <bubbles_nh> Pretty fun
12:52 <rld> <@rikersan> aight
12:52 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 65167 points, 23023 turns, killed by a leocrotta, while reading a book
12:53 <rld> <@rikersan> I'll do a couple of those and come back when they all inevitably die
12:53 <Pinkbeast> k
12:53 <rld> <@rikersan> ooooh they have 2 engraving tools from teh start
12:53 <bubbles_nh> i found doing vlad's tower early was pretty good
12:53 <bubbles_nh> rapier is +2 hit as well
12:53 <bubbles_nh> So it's actually not awful to use
12:53 <bubbles_nh> just the first couple of levels, to stock up on blood
12:53 <Pinkbeast> Oops, typing hjkl in the wrong window
12:54 <rld> <@rikersan> I got buer in the starting roll :)
12:54 <bubbles_nh> \o/
12:54 <bubbles_nh> Stacking regen is so fun
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12:57 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 19112 points, 12757 turns, killed by a soldier ant
12:57 <bubbles_nh> I haven't seen a single unicorn yet
12:57 <bubbles_nh> I should probs go helm of drain res?
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12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> eh probably not any better options
12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> don't wish yet check law first
12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> law shks sometimes have good stuff
12:59 <bubbles_nh> Ah true fact
12:59 <bubbles_nh> But how to get past axus?
12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> yo're lawful are you not
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12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> he's peaceful to lawful
13:00 <rld> <@rikersan> ahazu on a lvl 4 vampire? ah yes, I hunger
13:00 <bubbles_nh> isn't ahazu bad because you can't drain corpsed?
13:00 <bubbles_nh> Also how do I kill hungry dead as a monk?
13:00 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah it sucks and you can't
13:01 <rld> <@rikersan> you can't as anything I think, maybe spells
13:01 <rld> <@rikersan> just kill the blobs of preserved organs
13:01 <rld> <@rikersan> each of them is mapped to a hungry dead and when they die, the HD dies
13:02 <bubbles_nh> AHHHH
13:02 <bubbles_nh> I kicked a couple of the hungry dead to extra-death
13:02 <bubbles_nh> but it was tedious
13:02 <bubbles_nh> Also law quest portal level is a ball ache as lawful
13:02 <rld> <@rikersan> ah that would work
13:02 <rld> <@rikersan> and yeah it is lmao
13:02 <rld> <@rikersan> monster displacement when
13:03 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 235 points, 552 turns, killed by an iron ball collision
13:03 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 965 points, 1828 turns, killed by a rope golem (and one other game not reported)
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13:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Vam Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2085
13:06 <bubbles_nh> igh I need to do stupid poo-o-ban
13:06 <rld> <@rikersan> hm, windrider in shop and I can do enki
13:07 <bubbles_nh> Nice
13:07 <bubbles_nh> Real nice
13:07 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3780 points, 4919 turns, killed by a soldier ant
13:08 <bubbles_nh> But stealing is so painful because chris loveeeees the law
13:08 <rld> <@rikersan> nah, otiax's open
13:08 <rld> <@rikersan> :)
13:08 <rld> <@rikersan> let's play a game...
13:09 <bubbles_nh> otiax's open?
13:09 <bubbles_nh> How does that help?
13:09 <rld> <@rikersan> it can instakill stuff by opening their internal organs
13:09 <rld> <@rikersan> also it apparently doesn't aggro when it misses
13:09 <rld> <@rikersan> ???
13:09 <rld> <@rikersan> or when he resists
13:09 <bubbles_nh> ah so kill the shopkeeper
13:10 <bubbles_nh> But sometimes it doesn't instakill it just does damage
13:10 <bubbles_nh> the shopkeeper ai is really broken in dnh
13:10 <bubbles_nh> They won't leave their shop
13:10 <bubbles_nh> and you can just wand them to death
13:10 <rld> <@rikersan> oh is it
13:10 <rld> <@rikersan> lmao
13:10 <rld> <@rikersan> this is minetown though so I gotta be somewhat careful
13:11 <bubbles_nh> very true
13:11 <bubbles_nh> Also wooo a unicorn <3
13:12 <bubbles_nh> Can i wish for a specific signet ring?
13:12 <rld> <@rikersan> ah yeah no instakill but your'e right about the AI
13:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Vam Mal Non), 5266 points, T:3156, killed by Ms. Manlobbi, the shopkeeper
13:12 <rld> <@rikersan> you were wrong about the AI
13:12 <rld> <@rikersan> lmao no regrets
13:13 <bubbles_nh> heheh sorry
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13:13 <bubbles_nh> They definitely don't leave the shop very eagerly though
13:13 <rld> <@rikersan> nah it took until I zapped him with the wand
13:13 <rld> <@rikersan> not sure why
13:14 <bubbles_nh> I scrwed up sokoban \o/
13:14 <rld> <@rikersan> i hate soko
13:14 <rld> <@rikersan> ... i just chose chupo instead of amon for a first binding spirit
13:14 <bubbles_nh> Who even needs luck
13:14 <bubbles_nh> double the bitting
13:15 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean amon is see in the light
13:15 <rld> <@rikersan> >___>
13:15 <bubbles_nh> it's fun to die to amon on dl1 thouh
13:16 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah I would have
13:16 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
13:16 <rld> <@rikersan> I am big brain
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13:17 <bubbles_nh> :-D
13:17 <bubbles_nh> I should just pay a shopkeeper for some id it hink
13:17 <bubbles_nh> I think
13:17 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah I use gems for that
13:18 <rld> <@rikersan> touchstones are so helpful, but any hard gem gives profit when paid to ID (750ish) then resold promptly
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13:19 <bubbles_nh> Ah nice to know
13:19 <bubbles_nh> I have about 7k gold, l hall
13:20 <rld> <@malor> spells kill the hungry dead but they seem to spawn "crashes" a lot of times, so you just walk around them.  They do hardly any damage.  Wow I didn't know there was a tie-in between the organs the Hungry dead.  Cool.
13:20 <rld> <@malor> yeah touchstones in dnh are hella good since shopkeepers can ID anything.
13:21 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah hungry dead are wack
13:21 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: Hill (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1732738 points, 36181 turns, ascended
13:21 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/Hill/tnnt/dumplog/1572567635.tnnt.html
13:21 <rld> <@rikersan> they're permanently in the "migrating monsters" list (monsters that hit holes, level tele traps, etc.) because they're supposed to die when their blob dies regardless of where each other are
13:21 <rld> <@rikersan> but that means they can be crashy
13:22 <bubbles_nh> Aha a vault
13:22 <rld> <@malor> I used to agro EVERYTHING that wasn't peaceful, but I learned in dnethack that you have to pick your battles 😉
13:23 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1735 points, 2072 turns, killed by a jaguar, while praying
13:23 <rld> <@rikersan> malor: bubbles has described his strategy as "yolo" so hopefully he learns this lesson too :)
13:23 <bubbles_nh> it was only an amit
13:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: towardsdawn (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 218 points, 1641 turns, killed by a small mimic
13:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Schnibble12 (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 9 points, 199 turns, killed by a sewer rat (and one other game not reported)
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13:26 <bubbles_nh> oh yeah the watch is angry with me
13:26 <rld> <@rikersan> goddamnit I toasted amon because I didn't check dlvl2
13:26 <rld> <@rikersan> oh well
13:26 <bubbles_nh> :-D
13:27 <NHrsa> :)
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13:28 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1686 points, 2602 turns, killed by a giant ant, while praying
13:29 <bubbles_nh> I don't really need refl as a monk right?
13:29 <rld> <@rikersan> not really
13:29 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2395 points, 2438 turns, killed by a water moccasin
13:29 <rld> <@rikersan> but if you have an amulet I'd put it on
13:30 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm assuming you have MR already?
13:30 <rld> <@rikersan> otherwise hell yes get reflection for now
13:30 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: tacco (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 706 points, 1011 turns, killed by a gnome lord
13:30 <bubbles_nh> Yeah for now I have "refl
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13:30 <bubbles_nh> quest arti gives MR and they won't steal it right?
13:31 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean anything can steal it
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13:32 <bubbles_nh> I thought it was changed so covetous wouldn't steal quest arti (other than quest nemesis)
13:33 <rld> <@rikersan> don't know if "They" will steal it but gugs, phantasms, etc. can
13:33 <bubbles_nh> and only your quest nemesis will deliberately steal your quest artifact, other monsters may steal the amulet and invocation items. 
13:33 <bubbles_nh> Ah right I'm with you
13:33 <rld> <@rikersan> and they're a bigger threat than any covetous for that reason imo
13:33 <bubbles_nh> ok let's see what this vault has for me
13:34 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 632 points, 1333 turns, killed by a rock piercer
13:35 <bubbles_nh> Awesome, restore ability
13:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: voffer (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 106 points, 222 turns, killed by a fox
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Mal Non), 3587 points, T:4819, killed by a Justice Archon of Anu
13:35 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah fuck naiads
13:35 <rld> <@rikersan> that was a suicide
13:35 <bubbles_nh> hehe
13:35 <bubbles_nh> vampire is fun tough!
13:35 <bubbles_nh> fun though
13:36 <rld> <@rikersan> that was drow :p
13:36 <bubbles_nh> Boo
13:36 <rld> <@rikersan> but yah also bat binders are fun
13:36 <bubbles_nh> ah that's why you wanted amon
13:36 <bubbles_nh> I get you
13:36 <rld> <@rikersan> you can basically turn into a monk with permanent 3x prem heart if you blind yourself
13:36 <bubbles_nh> i used to startscum drow binder for amon ;_;
13:36 <rld> <@rikersan> lmao
13:36 <bubbles_nh> Why 3x prem heart as bat?
13:36 <rld> <@rikersan> prem heart stacks with afflictions right?
13:37 <rld> <@rikersan> bats have echolation so blindness is fine for them
13:37 <rld> <@rikersan> you can see objects and stuff fine, monsters are all I but with telepathy you're fine
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13:38 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 773 points, 1295 turns, killed by a bat
13:39 <rld> <@malor> mercy killing.  That was a very bad rolled wizard.
13:39 <rld> <@rikersan> malor you need to BE a bat, not be KILLED by a bat
13:39 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 841 points, 1471 turns, killed by a dog
13:39 <rld> <@malor> I didn't know what killed me, I hit a magic trap and was surrounded on all sides.
13:39 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: snes (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 131 points, 458 turns, killed by a small mimic
13:40 <rld> <@rikersan> also i think malor was the one who came up with the bat binder prem heart strat so go him
13:41 <rld> <@malor> way better rolls this time.  17 IQ, I only had a 15 last time which meant I didn't even have hungerless casting.
13:41 <rld> <@malor> I like bat-binders.  But I didn't do premium heart back then.
13:41 <rld> <@malor> I like "bat-anything" actually.  I wish they didn't have such low constitution.
13:41 <rld> <@rikersan> you have hungerless casting at 15 int
13:41 <rld> <@rikersan> 17 is 75% hungerless, 15 is 50%
13:42 <bubbles_nh> the "blah" horrors are the randomly rolled ones right?
13:42 <rld> <@rikersan> all 3 of them are
13:42 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 677 points, 1749 turns, killed by a pony
13:42 <rld> <@rikersan> but yes
13:42 <bubbles_nh> 7d12 targeted gaze - disenchants;
13:42 <bubbles_nh> That's going to be fun
13:43 <rld> <@rikersan> what's that?
13:43 <rld> <@rikersan> eternal matriach?
13:44 <bubbles_nh> (shambling horror, a human-sized thing)
13:44 <bubbles_nh> 2d6 sting fire, 4d8 bear hug phys, 7d12 target gaze disenchant
13:44 <rld> <@rikersan> oooh fun
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> pretty sure suction gazes used to exist
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> so be glad that's impossible now :)
13:45 <bubbles_nh> \o/
13:45 <bubbles_nh> Ooh an or of the stars, but they suck as pets, super squishy I found
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> they also turn traitor
13:47 <bubbles_nh> do drow matriarchs?
13:47 <bubbles_nh> Mine stayed with me for ageeees last time
13:47 <bubbles_nh> Until she accidentally got next to cthullu
13:47 <rld> <@rikersan> yes they do
13:48 <rld> <@rikersan> and yeah they're not aware of the wonders of 100d4 claw attacks
13:48 <rld> <@rikersan> also i miss old chulthu
13:48 <rld> <@rikersan> he was covetous and would warp to you whenever he was awake :(
13:48 <bubbles_nh> :-D
13:49 <bubbles_nh> cool I got two ability shops in law quest
13:49 <rld> <@rikersan> oooh nice
13:49 <rld> <@rikersan> those are always fun, except when you're a clock and they only have food no potions
13:50 <bubbles_nh> \o/
13:50 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 563 points, 1387 turns, killed by a wererat
13:50 <bubbles_nh> @d?legion devil captain
13:50 <Beholder> legion devil captain (i) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 20 | Res: fire poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 14 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravisible
13:50 <bubbles_nh> I poly into this
13:50 <bubbles_nh> Which is quite interesting
13:51 <bubbles_nh> poly lasts forever?
13:51 <bubbles_nh> (until death)
13:51 <Croesus> [US] [A]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Law), 562220 points, 46031 turns, ascended
13:51 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572706960.tnnt.html
13:51 <rld> <@rikersan> no it doesn't it times out
13:51 <bubbles_nh> Also do I add 4d4 onto my martial arts attacks?
13:52 <rld> <@rikersan> i have no clue how that works
13:52 <Croesus> [Tr] Luxidream now has Lowest Scoring Ascension!
13:52 <rld> <@rikersan> be aware that you'll probably end up gating a bunch of ldcs as well
13:52 <rld> <@rikersan> which are probably traitorous
13:53 <bubbles_nh> True fact
13:53 <bubbles_nh> Low regen because blessed items though so probs going to wear out
13:53 <bubbles_nh> -32 ac with protection on <3
13:53 <rld> <@rikersan> blessed items barely affect regen
13:53 <rld> <@rikersan> !whereis bubbles
13:53 <Beholder> @rikersan: [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh]: (Mon Hlf Mal Law) T:23427 Law Quest level: 6
13:53 <K2> @luxidream congrats on your 50+ ascensions
13:54 <K2> ^ just getting them out of the way now
13:54 <rld> <@rikersan> it's such a shame he can't do a junethack style queue of ascensions for the last day :)
13:54 <bubbles_nh> omg that's insaaaaane 
13:54 <bubbles_nh> i attack twice 
13:54 <bubbles_nh> But not as #twoweapon
13:54 <bubbles_nh> So it gets the full +5 damage bonus
13:55 <rld> <@rikersan> oh yeah that's always fun
13:55 <rld> <@luxidream> lol thanks K2
13:55 <K2> :P
13:55 <bubbles_nh> gratz luxi :p
13:56 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: voffer (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2520 points, 5157 turns, killed by a burning scroll, while frozen by a potion
13:57 <bubbles_nh> So is my speed like 
13:57 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ArcaneNH (Val-Dwa-Mal-Law), 11467 points, 6040 turns, killed by a Green-elf
13:57 <bubbles_nh> 24 as this guy
13:57 <rld> <@rikersan> probably
13:57 <rld> <@rikersan> if that's what ldcs have
13:57 <rld> <@rikersan> hm says they're speed 20 so probably 20
13:57 <bubbles_nh> but i am "fast"
13:58 <rld> <@rikersan> not sure that matters when you're polymorphed
13:58 <FIQ> haha
13:59 <bubbles_nh> Weird, oona is attacking the other A
13:59 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah she's law they're cha
14:00 <rld> <@rikersan> why? long story short the law quest top is a reference to a specific d&d thingy with law vs chaos
14:00 <Croesus> Current Day as of 2019-11-02 18:00 UTC: Games: 1381, Asc: 6, Scum: 1151. 956695 turns, 12619816 points. 8d 15:05 gametime. (55%Wiz), (51%Hum), (40%Neu), (53%Fem), 28d 05:59 remaining.
14:00 <bubbles_nh> Ah okey dokey
14:01 <bubbles_nh> dumb question - if I gain ability while poly it persists when I return?
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14:01 <rld> <@rikersan> it will NOT
14:01 <rld> <@rikersan> source: tried that to actually gain some stats as a clock
14:02 <bubbles_nh> Thought so
14:02 <bubbles_nh> And idiotically just quaffed full heals
14:02 <rld> <@rikersan> RIP
14:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2340 points, 2333 turns, killed by a snake
14:03 <bubbles_nh> Levels still persistt hough
14:03 <rld> <@rikersan> I believe so
14:04 <bubbles_nh> Also not demon gated yet at all
14:04 <rld> <@rikersan> huh really? that's odd
14:04 <rld> <@rikersan> maybe i don't do it?
14:04 <bubbles_nh> Oh, just reverted form
14:04 <rld> <@rikersan> welcome back to the land of the drgaon
14:05 <bubbles_nh> That was fun though
14:05 <bubbles_nh> -35 ac with no enchanted gear
14:11 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3730 points, 4831 turns, killed by a warg
14:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:6593
14:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a mastodon, on T:6600
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14:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 14993 points, T:6731, killed by a Grey-elf
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14:21 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: jt (Ran-Orc-Fem-Cha), 4531 points, 4652 turns, killed by a gremlin
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:577
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 223 points, T:556, killed by a large kobold
14:24 <eraserhead97> weird - only 6 candles in Vlad's tower
14:27 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Hill (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 485 points, 2587 turns, killed by a rothe
14:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 4958 points, T:2231, killed by a bone devil of Moloch
14:31 <bubbles_nh> booo
14:32 <rld> <@rikersan> dwarf arcs suck cuz you can't get the xp from the mines
14:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: every (Ran-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1578 points, 3227 turns, killed by a killer bee
14:35 <rld> <@malor> hey cool a double bones file.
14:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 9207 points, 7682 turns, killed by a watch captain
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14:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Bar-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1512 points, 2311 turns, killed by a gnome king
14:47 <Croesus> [US] [D]: towardsdawn (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 544 points, 3044 turns, killed by a homunculus, while fainted from lack of food
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:23630
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14:49 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2114 points, 4372 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai
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14:52 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: ToneHack (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 36640 points, 19432 turns, killed by an exploding wand (and 9 other games not reported)
14:52 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan @malor can I enchant PH to +7
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14:53 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
14:53 <bubbles_nh> okey dokey awesome
14:53 <bubbles_nh> Also i should keep rod of 7 parts around for the invoke effect rihgt?
14:56 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 14154 points, 7009 turns, killed by a mumak
14:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was given Stormhelm, on T:1492
14:58 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: yes
14:58 <rld> <@rikersan> alrighty, that's pretty decent :)
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14:59 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 706 points, 3102 turns, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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15:00 <bubbles_nh> Worth getting spear to basic?
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was given Water Flowers, on T:3453
15:00 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: no
15:01 <rld> <@rikersan> well, probably if you're not casting hella spells
15:01 <rld> <@rikersan> since you should have 1 slot free and yo'll train it up by hitting with it
15:01 <rld> <@rikersan> which you should definitely get to +7 by hitting
15:02 <Croesus> [R] Clan Smile Mold moves to ranking position 15!
15:02 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 250 points, 822 turns, killed by a hobbit
15:04 <bubbles_nh> Yeah I have it at +7 now
15:05 <bubbles_nh> i can hit with it and still #twoweapon martial arts
15:05 <bubbles_nh> which is quite nice
15:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was given the Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala, on T:7069
15:08 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2003 points, 2521 turns, killed by a soldier ant
15:08 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Ashpool (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2154 points, 5159 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food
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15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was given the Arkenstone, on T:8760
15:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: sflicht (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 952 points, 2401 turns, killed by a rothe
15:12 <bubbles_nh> hot riker
15:12 <bubbles_nh> all delicious
15:13 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: mosen (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 3570 points, 5715 turns, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze
15:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: towardsdawn (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 382 points, 1749 turns, killed by a gnome king
15:15 <rld> <@rikersan> a rothe deathdropped limited moon lmao
15:15 <rld> <@rikersan> !pom
15:15 <Beholder> @rikersan: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 8 days.
15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17631 points, T:11226, killed by a soldier ant, while fainted from lack of food
15:16 <rld> <@rikersan> lmao that was sudden
15:17 <rld> <@rikersan> wow, I went from weak to fainting real quick
15:18 <FIQ> dynahack on server should have another desync problem fixed soonish -- save+load is still buggy, that code is unchanged so far
15:18 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 2882 points, 3504 turns, killed by a soldier ant
15:19 <FIQ> doing any kind of zero-time command (such as checking inventory or farlooking) while hallucinating would desync the game, potentially causing save errors
15:19 <bubbles_nh> ouch
15:20 <eraserhead97> wtf - my Bell of Opening is 0:0... ...and I never used it 8^P
15:21 <FIQ> the game is supposed to be able to recover from this by using diffs, but for some reason, diffs are not perfect in 4.2-save
15:21 <rld> <@rikersan> hm, if that's not already in evilhack: EPI: the bell of opening in generated 0:0
15:21 <rld> <@rikersan> *is
15:22 <FIQ> also I am not sure but I think that the game also demands the diffs being perfect as well as the comands, or things will end badly
15:22 <FIQ> which implies that you get the worst of both worlds
15:22 <FIQ> but surely things aren't that bad
15:23 <FIQ> now, diffs break down far less often, but it does happen
15:24 <Croesus> [EU] [Q]: gargor (Val-Hum-Fem-Cha), 6407 points, 4505 turns, quit
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15:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Ashpool (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1137 points, 2800 turns, killed by a killer bee
15:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 649 points, 1608 turns, killed by a hill orc
15:29 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 734 points, 1301 turns, killed by a housecat
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15:35 <K2> DynaHack updated (all servers)
15:35 <K2> ^ another desync fix, thanks FIQ
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15:39 <FIQ> well
15:39 <FIQ> that was surprisingly easy to do
15:39 <FIQ> forcing the game to ignore the diffs entirely
15:40 <FIQ> good to know
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15:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2166 points, 4810 turns, killed by a crocodile
15:43 <Croesus> [US] [D]: richards (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 832 points, 1669 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and one other game not reported)
15:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:25995
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15:51 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2895 points, 3001 turns, quit (and one other game not reported)
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15:55 <eraserhead97> getting slimed in the Sanctum is >not< fun
15:57 <Croesus> [US] [D]: arnibald (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 9457 points, 5858 turns, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping off a magical draught
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16:01 <dbanethacker> Hello all.
16:02 <dbanethacker> I was saddened to not receive any Achievement by killing a monster with a boulder trap.  I see an opportunity for next year's game.
16:07 <K2> heya dbanethacker
16:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2038 points, 4070 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping
16:10 <eraserhead97> hmm... ...why is there a mastodon named David on Asmodeus' Lair?
16:10 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2290 points, 3806 turns, killed by a gnome
16:11 <K2> was somneone elses pet
16:11 <K2> you'll prob find some bones there
16:11 <eraserhead97> makes sense - thx ^^
16:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 663 points, 1298 turns, killed by a soldier ant
16:17 <eraserhead97> mysterious force transported me on top of a Hawaiian shirt otw up from G
16:18 <dbanethacker> Hiya K2
16:19 <K2> hows tnnt so far?
16:19 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: thorsb (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 480 points, 1329 turns, killed by a wand
16:19 <dbanethacker> I have a pretty good game going.  Should hopefully have a good chance to ascend - but it will be awhile.
16:20 <dbanethacker> TNNT is great!
16:20 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings  advances to rank 8!
16:20 <bubbles_nh> huh, @riksersan from "Cracks" in chaos2 there should be stairs down to the temple with the shaman of melkor etc right?
16:21 <K2> \o/
16:21 <dbanethacker> I was surprised when my first character was killed (about an hour or less after midnight on November 1) that the scoreboard wasn't blanked out.  I guess there is no special scoreboard for just TNNT ?
16:21 <K2> after playing so much evilhack this probably feels easy :P
16:21 <eraserhead97> having an interesting first game - got c-stoned and slimed otw up w/amulet
16:21 <K2> um no there's a scoreboard
16:21 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/players.html
16:22 <K2> and https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clans.html
16:22 <dbanethacker> ok, when I died a few minutes into it my character was compared to the 279th guy (someone else) again.
16:22 <K2> the scoreboard updates once per minute fyi
16:22 <K2> so its not immediate
16:22 <dbanethacker> I figured there weren't so many deaths just a half hour into TNNT, so I wondered.
16:23 <dbanethacker> Well, I'm not going to die anytime soon without a YASD so I can't just "die to see" which board I end up on.
16:23 <eraserhead97> I almost lost it in early game when I picked up a ?oSM by accident in a shop and couldn't pay - dug out and was chased by the shopkeeper - at Xp:6, couldn't handle him - luckily, he jailed himself in a boulder fort while trying chasing me - I polymorphed him later into a H and took him out without murder...
16:25 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 627 points, 1881 turns, killed by a cave spider, while sleeping
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16:25 <dbanethacker> Cool scoreboards - maybe I'll join them somehow.
16:26 <K2> after one game you'll show up
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Dea Dro Fem Cha) averted death, on T:2516
16:29 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 211 points, 739 turns, killed by an arrow
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16:34 <dbanethacker> see if you can find me in them - I've died at least twice so far - I don't see me in them.  But 1 time I was compared to another person as we talked about that bug.
16:36 <bubbles_nh> Where is the paaaattthhh?
16:36 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan can i bother you for 30seconds?
16:36 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 21268 points, 8962 turns, quit (and one other game not reported)
16:37 <Croesus> [R] Clan Free State Project advances to rank 10!
16:39 <K2> !who
16:39 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] niddler [nh363] elron [tnnt] towardsdawn [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] MHL [tnnt] dbanethacker [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] atcarr [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] bebing [tnnt] Nobbs [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] Ashpool [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh363] elenmirie [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] HarmathZsolt [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] Graznop [tnnt] Muad [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] joes [tnnt] thorsb [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] hilarita [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players
16:39 <K2> count 'em!
16:39 * bubbles_nh counts
16:40 <dbanethacker> ah, there I am.  Thanks for finding tme there!
16:40 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: joes (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 985 points, 2157 turns, killed by a little dog
16:41 <K2> its a new record for hardfought for # of players at one time
16:41 <K2> at least as far as i've seen
16:41 <bubbles_nh> I want to kill the stupid bossman for his key!
16:41 <bubbles_nh> But Chris_ANG has defeated me
16:41 <Croesus> [US] [Q]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1709 points, 1688 turns, quit
16:41 <bug_sniper> ]!who
16:42 <bug_sniper> !who
16:42 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] niddler [nh363] elron [tnnt] towardsdawn [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] Glord [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] MHL [tnnt] dbanethacker [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] atcarr [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] bebing [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] Ashpool [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh363] elenmirie [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] HarmathZsolt [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] Graznop [tnnt] Muad [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] thorsb [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] hilarita [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players
16:42 <dbanethacker> Thanks, Beholder - I just didn't see me on the list.  :-)
16:43 <K2> heh
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16:48 <Croesus> [US] [D]: atcarr (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1052 points, 2395 turns, killed by a boulder
16:52 <Croesus> [US] [A]: eraserhead97 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 1876818 points, 30102 turns, ascended
16:52 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/tnnt/dumplog/1572641463.tnnt.html
16:52 <Croesus> [R] Clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles advances to rank 2!
16:56 <rld> <@malor> I Ascended with a monk before I found out premium heart could go to +7.  🙂
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17:00 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 80 points, 571 turns, killed by a water demon
17:05 <bubbles_nh> Holy crap i learned eurynomeeeeee
17:06 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 313 points, 903 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt
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17:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] niddler (Val Dwa Fem Law), 186 points, T:1037, killed by a coyote
17:10 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 565 points, 1706 turns, killed by a soldier ant
17:11 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 330 points, 614 turns, killed by a dwarf
17:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Merlek (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 293088 points, 40119 turns, killed by a scroll of genocide
17:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: every (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 624 points, 2596 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
17:13 <eraserhead97> I wonder if we write DEV NOTES scrolls after seeing one... ...we need 3, right?
17:16 <bubbles_nh> U an unknown abomination (meditating uvuudaum, a human-sized thing)
17:16 <bubbles_nh> EEEEKKKKK
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17:22 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 268 points, 1111 turns, killed by a wand
17:22 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4011 points, 3910 turns, killed by a soldier ant
17:23 <bubbles_nh> shit shit shit that was an accident I am sorry please leave me alone big &
17:23 <rld> <@malor> darn.  That was a solid run otherwise.
17:24 <rld> <@malor> seemed too early for soldier ants though.
17:24 <bubbles_nh> Oh what is this? I have lostmy helping hand
17:27 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 374 points, 3047 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported)
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17:30 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 863 points, 1311 turns, killed by a rope golem
17:31 <rld> <@malor> mind flayer forced me to run.  I don't know if I remember how to play Wizard 🙂
17:31 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 4814 points, 6094 turns, killed by strangulation
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17:33 <bubbles_nh> @malor what type of thing would steal my clothes? Do shoggoths?
17:34 <stenno\proc> shoggoths have shred attacks, right?
17:34 <rld> <@malor> shoggoths -> Yes.  They definitely steal helmets, probably cloaks also.
17:34 <stenno\proc> oh
17:34 <stenno\proc> is armor shredding still a thing in dnethack?
17:34 <stenno\proc> that was always super evil
17:34 <bubbles_nh> @malor where would the helmet go?
17:34 <bubbles_nh> Or is it gone forever ;_;
17:35 <stenno\proc> @d?shoggoth
17:35 <Beholder> shoggoth (b) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 15 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d12 touch acid, 1d12 touch sticky, 2d12 hug suck-equipment, 2d12 passive acid | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegan
17:35 <rld> <@malor> with the creature.  It's not gone.  It stays with the creature.  Which might mean it is in the water.
17:35 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 515 points, 2121 turns, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze
17:35 <stenno\proc> hug suck-equipment, i see
17:35 <stenno\proc> @d?bebilith
17:35 <Beholder> bebilith ~1~ bebelith (x) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire shock poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -10 | Attacks: 2d8 bite physical, 1d8 claw shred, 1d8 claw shred | Alignment: -10 | Flags: amphibious, nopoly, stalker
17:36 <stenno\proc> 1d8 claw shred
17:36 <bubbles_nh> What? My robe is gone now
17:36 <stenno\proc> x2
17:36 <bubbles_nh> ok found it
17:36 <rld> <@malor> bebilith can destroy armor, yes. They do a -1 AC attack and if it gets lower than +0 it can be destroyed each time.
17:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Nobbs (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3741 points, 3031 turns, killed by a soldier ant
17:36 <Croesus> [US] [A]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Law), 493767 points, 37514 turns, ascended (and 4 other games not reported)
17:36 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572717657.tnnt.html
17:37 <Croesus> [Tr] Luxidream now has Lowest Scoring Ascension!
17:37 <bubbles_nh> ohgod cthullu hitme
17:38 <oh6> whoops, that's why no one seemed to be talking
17:38 <bubbles_nh> i am never going to the neutral quest ever again
17:38 <bubbles_nh> oh6 what's up?
17:38 <oh6> forgot to take the window out of backscroll
17:38 <bubbles_nh> You were deafened?
17:38 <bubbles_nh> \o/
17:38 <oh6> I'm messing up big time is what
17:39 <FIQ> wow
17:39 <FIQ> I forgot how fast the NH3 engine could be
17:39 <oh6> engine?
17:39 <eraserhead97> crapola - Orcish town
17:40 <FIQ> I am messing with dynahack trying to unbreak its saving
17:40 <FIQ> which is kinda broken atm
17:41 <oh6> I somehow managed to miss the altar when I curse-tested that amulet
17:41 <FIQ> just now I decided to try to disable turn-by-turn diffs alltogether (which is basically how NitroHack saves worked) because for whatever reason, they need to not be corrupt, or dynahack *will* fail (it will not even bother trying with the various failsafes it has)
17:41 <FIQ> things still worked, and save loading went from taking 15s on a T:10k game
17:41 <bug_sniper> @d?meditating ubuudaumn
17:41 <Beholder> No such monster.
17:41 <FIQ> to less than 1s
17:41 <bug_sniper> @d?meditating ubuudaun
17:41 <Beholder> No such monster.
17:41 <bug_sniper> @d?meditating uvuudaun
17:41 <Beholder> No such monster.
17:41 <bubbles_nh> @d?uvuudaum
17:41 <Beholder> uvuudaum (U) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -50 | Attacks: 3d12 reach head-spike, 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 0d0 gaze confuse | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, phases, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible
17:42 <bug_sniper> ok, I guess that's all there is
17:42 <FIQ> but disabling it is not really a good idea unless it's really neccessary
17:42 <FIQ> because it makes it unable to error-check saves at all
17:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 922 points, 1487 turns, killed by a gnome
17:49 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2048 points, 4320 turns, killed by a hobbit
17:50 <rld> <@rikersan> sorry bubbles I was busy
17:50 <rld> <@rikersan> meditating uvuudaum = peaceful uvuudaum
17:50 <rld> <@rikersan> they turn hostile on the asc run
17:50 <rld> <@rikersan> AVOID at all costs
17:51 <rld> <@rikersan> malor can confirm :)
17:51 <rld> <@malor> Also I think they cause you to be confused while standing near them even when they are peaceful
17:51 <rld> <@rikersan> I see you typing malor, it was you who had the run-in in the ana quest I believe?
17:51 <rld> <@rikersan> oh yeah they do, passive confusion widegaze
17:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: every (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 61 points, 202 turns, killed by a fox
17:51 <rld> <@malor> Oh yeah they killed Sara before I could even get to her.  That was a buzz kill.
17:52 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah they suck from a fun perspective, but they're pretty neat anyway
17:52 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: what was the question you had (about paths)?
17:53 <rld> <@rikersan> presumably neu quest being sucky but you made it eventually
17:53 <rld> <@malor> As a dragon monk you likely can beat one in a fight when ascension ready but it isn’t worth it due to their pin-to-the-ceiling attack which force levitates you for quite a while.
17:53 <rld> <@rikersan> you can probably beat them with a good helmet and enough hp
17:53 <rld> <@rikersan> but they'll still suck to fight, esp without elemental resistances and ideally half spell damage?
17:54 <rld> <@rikersan> prismatic spray will spam elemental dmg and I believe their psychic attacks deal straight damage and bypass AC
17:55 <rld> <@malor> On one of my dragon monk runs I saw one while it was still peaceful and decided to fight it.  I beat it and then spent a thousand turns waiting for levitate to wear off 🙂
17:55 <rld> <@rikersan> pretty sure blessed lev would figth that :) or a sink
17:55 <rld> <@rikersan> but I don't think anybody carries those around
17:56 <rld> <@rikersan> but on the other hand - dnh isn't known as a kitchen sink variant for nothing
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17:56 <rld> <@malor> They definitely should be avoided.  They give nothing and take a lot 🙂
17:57 <rld> <@rikersan> I always confuse them in-game with hooloovoos
17:57 <rld> <@rikersan> which are also to be avoided cuz they suck, but they're completely manageable and quite fun for clockworks
17:57 <rld> <@rikersan> they're the subethaic component dudes
17:58 <rld> <@malor> The incident where they killed Sara was the ultimate though.  I literally dug straight for Sara as fast as I could then when she was about 10 squares away I see a “U” in my telepathy (I was an incantifier) and she and I were both dead 10 turns later.  Much less for her.  I could have escaped but with her dead I knew there was no point to living.
17:59 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah uvuudaums are really godawful to fight when they actually mean it
17:59 <rld> <@rikersan> headspike is no bueno, but the speed + cloning? oooof
17:59 <rld> <@rikersan> and lifesaving +regen means that you're not gonna be able to do much, I think your best option is a wand of tele
18:01 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 73 points, 265 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs
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18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1224 points, T:777, quit
18:09 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1763 points, 2335 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf
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18:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 4271 points, 3437 turns, killed by a mountain centaur
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18:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3678 points, 8934 turns, killed by an orc zombie
18:15 <Croesus> [R] Clan Team Ant advances to rank 10!
18:19 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 436 points, 831 turns, killed by an imp
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18:21 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Merlek (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 816 points, 2948 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze
18:22 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: elenmirie (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 1966050 points, 32889 turns, ascended
18:22 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/tnnt/dumplog/1572608641.tnnt.html
18:23 <Croesus> [R] Clan teamsplat advances to rank 3!
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18:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 358 points, 970 turns, killed by a kitten
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18:24 <rld> <@rikersan> @malor for what it's worth it's not when they're at +0 AC that bebeliths destroy stuff
18:25 <rld> <@rikersan> it's when the item gives 0 to AC in general, so it has to be negative for most stuff (non-shirts and droven cloaks I guess)
18:25 <rld> <@rikersan> er, +0 enchantment in the first msg there
18:25 <rld> <@malor> Ok.  Thanks.  I always prioritize killing the bebilith when in a crowd 🙂
18:26 <rld> <@rikersan> fun fact: if you haven't noticed, they use grid bug rules for movement
18:26 <rld> <@rikersan> never diagonally only horizantal/vertically, so you can game their movement
18:26 <rld> <@malor> I see
18:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 65242 points, 19771 turns, killed by a death ray
18:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Jerry, her faithful large cat, on T:13405
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14419
18:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2820 points, 2960 turns, killed by a wolf
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law), 32443 points, T:14938, killed by an elf-lord
18:45 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 7891 points, 9377 turns, killed by a death ray
18:46 <rld> <@John Keel> oh my GOD
18:46 <rld> <@John Keel> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/JohnKeel/tnnt/dumplog/1572727491.tnnt.html
18:47 <rld> <@John Keel> nothing I could do dude
18:48 <rld> <@rikersan> sometimes you just need reflection to get reflection :)
18:48 <rld> <@John Keel> I didn't even have a chance to run away after opening the door
18:48 <rld> <@rikersan> also that's why I try not to stand in doorways
18:48 <rld> <@rikersan> kick them down diagonally
18:48 <rld> <@John Keel> that's a very good idea
18:48 <rld> <@John Keel> I will remember it
18:49 <rld> <@John Keel> This was even my first official TNNT run and going great
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18:54 <rld> <@IceBox> oh man even so a troll with a wand of death is a pretty bad sitch
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18:57 <{Demo}> happy nov 2
18:57 <K2> hey {Demo}
18:57 <K2> hows things
18:57 <{Demo}> good
18:57 <K2> @John Keel :(
18:58 <rld> <@rikersan> hey demo thoughts on dnh healers?
18:58 <rld> <@rikersan> I know you revised them strongly for ndnh
18:58 <{Demo}> not strongly
18:58 <{Demo}> their ndnh revision is garbage
18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 497 points, T:980, killed by a dwarf
18:58 <{Demo}> somehow they shoot syringes out of crossbows that do healing explosions
18:58 <rld> <@rikersan> cuz they kinda suck
18:58 <rld> <@rikersan> I really don't want to play them as a shittier bard
18:59 <{Demo}> wait i did give them scalpel of life and death first sac gift
18:59 <Croesus> [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 14059 points, 10385 turns, killed by an owlbear
18:59 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: is that any good tho
19:00 <{Demo}> unfortunately
19:00 <{Demo}> you can use it to instakill the quest nemesis >_<
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 282 points, T:282, killed by a black pudding
19:00 <rld> <@rikersan> lmao
19:00 <{Demo}> still trying to figure out how to work around that
19:00 <{Demo}> without making it useless
19:00 <rld> <@rikersan> is it good without the cheese
19:00 <rld> <@rikersan> and I mean give the staff MR when carried
19:01 <{Demo}> no, mr when carried is overdone in dnh
19:01 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 548 points, 1742 turns, killed by a gnome
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19:01 <{Demo}> 2/3 of the chaos branch prizes do that
19:01 <{Demo}> or in ndnh, 3/3 :-)
19:01 <rld> <@rikersan> well I meant for the purposes of the QN
19:01 <dbanethacker> Thanks K2, it must have had about 5 charges in it (the (oG )
19:01 <rld> <@rikersan> it won't be helpful to YOU but it will prevent that, if he wakes up in time
19:02 <K2> :)
19:02 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: thoughts on a (huge?) crysknife wish for a healer? if I'm intentionally not doign pets, that sound like a not stupid idea?
19:02 <K2> i am not sure if the devteam changed how many charges cans of grease get or not
19:02 <K2> but i do know it can be low
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19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 811 points, T:1361, killed by a gnome
19:06 <{Demo}> that doesnt make sense to me riker
19:07 <{Demo}> not hardly enough dmg output
19:07 <rld> <@rikersan> crysknifes are not bad?
19:07 <{Demo}> compared to other weapons you could wish for they are
19:07 <rld> <@rikersan> what skills can they get exactly
19:07 <rld> <@rikersan> esp with half BAB
19:08 <dbanethacker> Ok, I have to go to work - see y'all later tonight, if I get back in time.  GL to all and may the RNG be ever in your favor !!!
19:08 <{Demo}> you don't need skills
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> you do with half BAB
19:08 <{Demo}> no you don't
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> what exatcly would you do instead?
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> like I'm legit curious is there a new exploit
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19:08 <{Demo}> atma is an option, quicksilver is a bad option
19:08 <{Demo}> you could go oopsax or oopsaber but thats bleh
19:08 <{Demo}> vorpal maybe lol
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> vorpal is my crowning gift so I'd probably go for atma in the meantime
19:09 <{Demo}> vorpal is your crowning gift?
19:09 <{Demo}> what version of dnh r u playing?
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> wait, no it's not
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> I forgot about the new ones
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> I'd get what - golden boots of speed and flying?
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> the trident migth not be too bad though, if I'm doing it for kicks
19:10 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1861 points, 3910 turns, killed by a black unicorn
19:11 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1546 points, 1527 turns, killed by a large dog
19:11 <rld> <@rikersan> also you do realize atma sucks with drain res right
19:11 <rld> <@rikersan> i'ts just 2d10 with drain res I think, compared to 3d10 + 1dLvl
19:11 <{Demo}> then dont have drain res
19:11 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] bugsniper (Wiz Ang Fem Law), 11976 points, T:2908, killed by a bullet
19:13 <LarienTelrunya> !lastgame bugsniper
19:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bugsniper/slex/dumplog/1572731592.slex.txt
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19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:3351
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> that could be better but whatever, I'm going to kill myself with a ligthning bolt
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19:17 <rld> <@rikersan> took 1 6d6 so far, dealt 25 damage, yeah I'm definitely dying to this damn hammer
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19:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4277
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19:21 <{Demo}> yeah that hammer is wild
19:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 17865 points, T:3231, killed by a wolf
19:21 <{Demo}> im surprised i havent killed myself with it yet
19:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:5068
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 5155 points, T:5748, killed by an Uruk-hai
19:24 <rld> <@rikersan> phase spiders in second level of quest? fun
19:24 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Graznop (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2388 points, 6541 turns, killed by an acidic glob
19:24 <rld> <@rikersan> also I sure do love having -4 to hit on my nice mjollnir
19:24 <rld> <@rikersan> really makes it fun
19:25 <bubbles_nh> Hmm, how to recover all my itms?
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19:28 <bug_sniper> !lastgame ziratha
19:28 <Beholder> bug_sniper: No last game for ziratha.
19:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 663 points, 1282 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
19:40 <Croesus> [US] [D]: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 873 points, 2284 turns, killed by a manes, while sleeping
19:41 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1746 points, 2404 turns, killed by a giant spider
19:42 <bubbles_nh> oh cok off
19:42 <bubbles_nh> fml
19:42 <bubbles_nh> I just wanted my stupid helping hand back
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19:43 <{Demo}> its weird how brainless kills some people
19:43 <{Demo}> yet im able to play constantly brainless and it never makes me die
19:43 <{Demo}> the game has some weird logic on that
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19:47 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: are you talking about me or my character?
19:47 <bubbles_nh> Because both of them are brainless!
19:48 <bubbles_nh> I am never ever going to the neutral quest ever again
19:48 <rld> <@rikersan> you should be sprinting past flayers unti you geno h at cthulhu lol
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19:50 <bug_sniper> evil patch idea: Q monsters that have no attacks but summon monsters in a circle around you
19:50 <bug_sniper> btw jonadab it looks like I can't load your list of evil patch ideas
19:50 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 253 points, 1514 turns, killed by a bear trap
19:50 <bubbles_nh> @rikersan it was the shoggoth's/gugs
19:50 <Croesus> [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 247 points, 665 turns, killed by a small mimic
19:50 <bubbles_nh> They robbed me BLIND
19:51 <bubbles_nh> I killed cthullu like 8 times just running around trying to find my gear
19:51 <bubbles_nh> he came all the way out of his temple
19:51 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: ignore shoggoths, geno or sprint past gugs
19:51 <bubbles_nh> i'mma just not go there at all next time
19:51 <bubbles_nh> Or at least, not past the last level of the gorge
19:51 <bubbles_nh> Also eurynome does stack with premium heart \o/
19:51 <Croesus> [US] [D]: winny (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 164 points, 495 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion
19:51 <bug_sniper> !who
19:51 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] oh6 [tnnt] Lettuce [tnnt] every [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] thegame [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] elron [tnnt] Menche [tnnt] mercury [tnnt] Graydot [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] jonathanhanes [tnnt] Glord [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] telegarn [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] dingotron [tnnt] rikersan [dnh] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] Kontroller [tnnt] HarmathZsolt [tnnt] Xea [tnnt] deki [tnnt] jt [tnnt] noims [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players
19:52 <bubbles_nh> Where does PH double the damage though, I can't find that.
19:53 <Croesus> [US] [D]: oh6 (Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1068 points, 2206 turns, killed by a giant ant
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan Kitten Lovers MEOW! advances to rank 5!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan Order of the Chickatrice advances to rank 13!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad advances to rank 14!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings  advances to rank 8!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan Team Ant advances to rank 10!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] Clan Meanwhile in Europe advances to rank 16!
19:53 <Croesus> [R] New clan registered - Amateur Hour!
19:53 <{Demo}> ORDER OF THE GLOCKATRICE
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19:54 <bubbles_nh> boo
19:55 <{Demo}> if im feeling psycho enough in june maybe i wont roll with the slexual abducters or whatever amys clan will be and instead pioneer order of the glockatrice to battle order of the cockatrice
19:56 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 555 points, 1093 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze
19:56 <bubbles_nh> Order of the Lizard counters the cockatrarice
19:56 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: artifact_hit
19:56 <rld> <@rikersan> it's set to phys(1,0) I believe
19:56 <rld> <@rikersan> +1 to hit, double damage
19:59 <bubbles_nh> Ah it's in spec_dbon right?
19:59 <bubbles_nh> return damd ? d(multiplier, damd) : max(multiplier*tmp,multiplier);
19:59 <bubbles_nh> This bit I think
19:59 <bubbles_nh> So yeah, nice, it doubles eurynome's damage too
20:00 <{Demo}> glockatrice could be a sick rapper name actually
20:00 <bubbles_nh> With eurynome you do max(12, 2*rnd(5) + 6) 
20:00 <bubbles_nh> super hot
20:00 <bubbles_nh> (as half dragon)
20:00 <bubbles_nh> Though it's insane half dragon has 3x the damage
20:02 <rld> <@rikersan> yep
20:02 <rld> <@rikersan> it's stupid
20:02 <{Demo}> half dragons still are subhuman endgame
20:02 <rld> <@rikersan> eh they're not that bad
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> but yeah they're not ideal
20:03 <{Demo}> SPEED
20:03 <{Demo}> i need speed
20:03 <{Demo}> give me so much mvmt pts
20:03 <bubbles_nh> So just poly into a legion devil captain
20:03 <bubbles_nh> is there a better monster to poly into actually?
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> why them
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> orc of the ages of stars
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
20:03 <rld> <@rikersan> it's speed 24 and literally over double the dmg
20:04 <rld> <@rikersan> 2 4d8 main hands + 4d8 offhand vs 2 4d4 main hands
20:04 <{Demo}> they still get reduced speed
20:04 <{Demo}> when polyd
20:04 <{Demo}> which sucks big suck
20:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 201 points, T:345, killed by a grid bug
20:12 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Xea (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 15128 points, 8030 turns, killed by a death ray
20:13 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2307 points, 2980 turns, killed by a soldier ant
20:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: dingotron (Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha), 5280 points, 2722 turns, killed by a jaguar, while frozen by a monster's gaze
20:14 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: what speed are they when poly?
20:15 <bubbles_nh> @riker main hands is better
20:15 <bubbles_nh> because you get 2x +9 bonus
20:15 <bubbles_nh> Versus +2 bonus
20:15 <{Demo}> go read allmain.c
20:15 <bubbles_nh> As monk, specifically
20:15 <bug_sniper> what can you do with an evilhack forge?
20:16 <bubbles_nh> ooo[s
20:16 <bubbles_nh> if(!Upolyd && Race_if(PM_HALF_DRAGON) && !(Role_if(PM_NOBLEMAN) && flags.initgend)) moveamt = (moveamt*2)/3;
20:16 <bubbles_nh> So only if !upolyd
20:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2546 points, 2564 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt, while fainted from lack of food
20:18 <{Demo}> chris what
20:18 <bubbles_nh> ?d@orc of the ages of stars
20:18 <bubbles_nh> @d?orc of the ages of stars
20:18 <Beholder> No such monster.
20:18 <bubbles_nh> Lies
20:18 <bubbles_nh> @d?orc of the ages of the stars
20:18 <Beholder> No such monster.
20:18 <bubbles_nh> @d?orc of ages of the stars
20:18 <Beholder> No such monster.
20:18 <{Demo}> ok wtf
20:18 <{Demo}> chris told me otherwise i think
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles:.... that's weapon dmg too lol
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> @d?orc of the ages of stars
20:18 <Beholder> No such monster.
20:19 <bubbles_nh> @riker what is?
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> "    LVL(30, 24, -5, 45, -15), (G_GENO|1),     A(ATTK(AT_WEAP, AD_PHYS, 4, 8), ATTK(AT_WEAP, AD_PHYS, 4, 8),       ATTK(AT_XWEP, AD_PHYS, 4, 8), NO_ATTK, NO_ATTK, NO_ATTK),"
20:19 <bubbles_nh> @riker ah so it only adds the extra damage if you are wielding?
20:19 <rld> <@rikersan> the 4d8 stuff
20:19 <bubbles_nh> @d?legion devil captain
20:19 <Beholder> legion devil captain (i) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 20 | Res: fire poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 14 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravisible
20:19 <bubbles_nh> Ah ok so stars better
20:19 <bubbles_nh> 1 better ac and faster
20:20 <bubbles_nh> so orc is 2x main hand and one offhand?
20:20 <bubbles_nh> I wonder how that would be realised
20:20 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: no it does NOT
20:20 <rld> <@rikersan> I believe
20:20 <bubbles_nh> Ok makes sense
20:20 <rld> <@rikersan> I know it maps to whatever is wielded/not wielded, not sure how dmg applies
20:21 <bubbles_nh> {Demo} looks to be full of rage at the half dragon buff though
20:22 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: noims (Ran-Gno-Mal-Neu), 21976 points, 13155 turns, killed by a giant mummy
20:23 <bubbles_nh> ohhhh yeah a tinning kit
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20:29 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1026 points, 2127 turns, killed by a coyote
20:29 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 421 points, 1402 turns, killed by a wererat
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20:32 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Graydot (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 369475 points, 28077 turns, petrified by a cockatrice
20:34 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1627 points, 1343 turns, killed by a dwarf
20:35 <bubbles_nh> why is the priest not in his temple?
20:35 <bubbles_nh> it was a bones
20:35 <bubbles_nh> But
20:35 <Croesus> [R] Clan Read Worm advances to rank 16!
20:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 4100 points, T:3231, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf lady
20:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 509 points, T:768, killed by a rabid rat
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20:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 14415 points, 9891 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
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20:44 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 203 points, 805 turns, killed by a giant rat
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20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 536 points, T:1357, killed by a dwarf, while praying
20:51 <FIQ> legion devils
20:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2754 points, 4548 turns, killed by a dwarf
20:52 <FIQ> they used to have a completely random wand evenly distributed between every wand in the game
20:52 <FIQ> *every* wand
20:52 <bubbles_nh> @d?shark
20:52 <Beholder> shark (;) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 5d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, thick hide, oviparous
20:52 <bubbles_nh> hmm
20:52 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4867 points, 6963 turns, killed by a killer bee (and 92 other games not reported)
20:52 <FIQ> and sicne there's roughly 20 kinds of wands in the game
20:53 <FIQ> it meant each wand had about a 1/20 chance to show up
20:53 <FIQ> regardless of their usual generation rate
20:53 <FIQ> there was no exceptions to this rule
20:54 <FIQ> that was a fun time
20:54 <bubbles_nh> Are legion devils in vanilla?
20:54 <bubbles_nh> I completelye foget
20:54 <FIQ> no
20:54 <FIQ> dnethack
20:54 <Pinkbeast> So farm them for wishing?
20:54 <FIQ> I don't think they randomly generated
20:55 <FIQ> you just had to hope you got a demon lair where they spawn
20:55 <FIQ> but yeah
20:55 <FIQ> they were a source of remarkably common wands of wishing
20:56 <FIQ> Pinkbeast: you should play dnethack
20:57 <Pinkbeast> FIQ: Ask me in June :-)
20:57 <FIQ> ok
20:57 <FIQ> wait no
20:57 <FIQ> then I am going to ask you to play fh
20:57 <FIQ> obviously
20:57 <bubbles_nh> No wands of wishing \o/
20:57 <FIQ> bubbles_nh: it was fixed once chris realized what was going on
20:58 <FIQ> stth, Khor and me were the ones mostly playing back then IIRC
20:58 <FIQ> dnh that is
20:58 <rld> <@rikersan> they were great lmao
20:58 <rld> <@rikersan> I plaed an old vesrion offline for a while
20:58 <rld> <@rikersan> before I leanred about hdf
20:58 <FIQ> haha
20:58 <Croesus> [US] ShivanHunter has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns.
20:59 <bubbles_nh> I only found out about hdf because one of the variants I wanted to play I couldn't get to compile
21:00 <rld> <@rikersan> same lao
21:00 <rld> <@rikersan> i was playing on the dnh repo, the old one
21:00 <rld> <@rikersan> not the dnao one
21:00 <rld> <@rikersan> and when I found hdf it was because I was so pissed at not being able to get dnao to compile right
21:01 <FIQ> heh
21:01 <FIQ> just play on server :P
21:02 <bubbles_nh> Unless you're on the tube!
21:02 <FIQ> simple solution
21:02 <FIQ> never take the tube
21:02 <FIQ> :P
21:02 <Pinkbeast> The actual Tube in London, OOI?
21:03 <FIQ> hmm
21:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 410 points, 1280 turns, killed by a small mimic
21:03 <FIQ> in Sweden we also have "the tube" (but translated) as slang for our metro system
21:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 94 points, 229 turns, killed by a bolt of fire
21:03 <bubbles_nh> oooh noooo
21:03 <bubbles_nh> I reeeeally need to actually look at my HP
21:03 <bubbles_nh> Pinkbeast: yeah
21:03 <FIQ> dwarf too stronk
21:04 <Pinkbeast> In that case, "What is really dirty... but really _really_ hot?"
21:04 <Pinkbeast> "The Northern Line."
21:04 <Croesus> [R] Clan Read Worm advances to rank 15!
21:04 <FIQ> I like halfdragon monk or vampire barbarian
21:05 <{Demo}> half and half
21:10 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 199 points, 489 turns, killed by a falling rock (and 75 other games not reported)
21:12 <Croesus> TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: 5000 games played.
21:14 <Croesus> [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3246 points, 4751 turns, killed by a gnome
21:15 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 14450 points, 7394 turns, killed by a soldier ant
21:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2623 points, 2933 turns, killed by a wolf
21:17 -!- werekitten is now known as misha
21:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 571 points, 1099 turns, killed by a gnome
21:21 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 487 points, 968 turns, killed by a hobbit
21:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1850
21:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 863 points, 1762 turns, killed by a hobbit, while praying
21:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 411 points, 1606 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze
21:34 <Croesus> [US] ShivanHunter has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns.
21:37 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1795 points, 2269 turns, killed by a purple worm (and one other game not reported)
21:39 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 160 points, 478 turns, killed by a small mimic (and 162 other games not reported)
21:42 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1119 points, 2140 turns, killed by a rothe
21:44 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2373 points, 2550 turns, killed by a soldier ant
21:46 <Croesus> [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 387 points, 943 turns, killed by a dwarf, while unconscious from rotten food
21:46 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1629 points, 2869 turns, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze
21:48 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 176 points, 659 turns, killed by a small mimic
21:53 <bubbles_nh> nooo
21:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 6420 points, T:4358, killed by a black unicorn
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22:02 <Croesus> [EU] [A]: spontiff (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3428362 points, 57331 turns, ascended
22:02 <Croesus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/tnnt/dumplog/1572683580.tnnt.html
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22:02 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1420 points, 3173 turns, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:02 <rld> <@malor> Bubbles, what happened to your Monk run?
22:03 <Croesus> [Tr] spontiff now has Most Achievements in One Game and Highest Scoring Ascension!
22:03 <Croesus> [R] Clan TeamGirlAndShoes advances to rank 3!
22:03 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 789 points, 1691 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 13 other games not reported)
22:04 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2279 points, 2144 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a fire ant
22:04 <Croesus> [US] [D]: arnibald (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1870 points, 3894 turns, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:07 <bubbles_nh> @malor I was doing so well and then all of my items got STOLEN
22:07 <bubbles_nh> And then I died to a mind flayer
22:07 <bubbles_nh> :-(
22:07 <bubbles_nh> @malor but yes I shall monk again
22:07 <bubbles_nh> And this time no flying boots!
22:11 <bubbles_nh> co-aligned 
22:11 <bubbles_nh> woo
22:12 <eraserhead97> !who
22:12 <Beholder> eraserhead97: [hdf-us] samiam [nh363] fionna [tnnt] Smugzug [tnnt] JohnKeel [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] malor [tnnt] scheijan [tnnt] jonathanhanes [tnnt] mercury [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] thegame [tnnt] bebing [tnnt] shadowcat [tnnt] jmcunx [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] arnibald [tnnt] kcostell [tnnt] eraserhead97 | [hdf-eu] Kontroller [tnnt] snes [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] noims [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [tnnt] yoyohawk [nh343]
22:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed +3 Water Flowers", on T:5915
22:15 <Croesus> [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1478 points, 2900 turns, killed by a human zombie
22:15 <Croesus> [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3968 points, 4060 turns, killed by a mumak
22:16 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bouquet (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1510 points, 3409 turns, killed by a bolt of cold
22:16 <bouquet> I've been leaving =SD all over the mines my last few games.
22:17 <bouquet> and cloaks of MR. Should be some phat lewt down there for players
22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1947 points, T:2966, killed by a wolf
22:17 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3843 points, 5154 turns, killed by a snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:20 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 970 points, 1450 turns, killed by a rabid rat (and 81 other games not reported)
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22:22 <Croesus> [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 7585 points, 7492 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying
22:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:20, killed by a water demon
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22:22 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bouquet (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 186 points, 659 turns, killed by a gecko
22:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Swn Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7258
22:24 <Croesus> [US] [D]: Smugzug (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 65 points, 287 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse
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22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 128 points, T:141, killed by a small mimic
22:30 <rld> <@John Keel> 3 magic lamps in minetown as a priest
22:30 <rld> <@John Keel> Oh boy
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22:32 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1695 points, 3505 turns, killed by an orcish arrow
22:34 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 742 points, 2236 turns, killed by a giant spider
22:34 <Andrio> Are they cursed?
22:36 <Croesus> [US] [D]: malor (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3733 points, 2969 turns, killed by a gray unicorn
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22:39 <Croesus> [US] [D]: superdav42 (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 394 points, 1113 turns, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food
22:40 <rld> <@John Keel> two were uncursed, one was cursed
22:41 <rld> <@John Keel> used one wish for SDSM, holding on to the other two for now
22:41 <rld> <@John Keel> (have MR cloak too)
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22:45 <bubbles_nh> nn \ll o/
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22:46 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 815 points, 2640 turns, killed by a magic missile
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22:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Mon Swn Fem Cha), 66541 points, T:10076, killed by a Shiere Eladrin
22:50 <Andrio> A what?
22:54 <Croesus> [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 270 points, 1135 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
23:07 <Croesus> [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 46076 points, 12625 turns, killed by a death ray
23:11 <Croesus> [US] [A]: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1971034 points, 40461 turns, ascended
23:11 <Croesus> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/tnnt/dumplog/1572655367.tnnt.html
23:12 <Croesus> [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1556 points, 1962 turns, killed by a hobgoblin (and 6 other games not reported)
23:18 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 2928 points, 4876 turns, killed by a gray unicorn
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23:24 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 329 points, 1051 turns, killed by a little dog
23:27 <Croesus> [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 9293 points, 7168 turns, poisoned by a rotted snake corpse
23:27 <rld> <@John Keel> I'm an idiot
23:28 <rld> <@John Keel> food ration on y
23:28 <rld> <@John Keel> eat, yes
23:28 <rld> <@John Keel> then I tried to vomit from a tripe ration instead of just praying because I was worried I would need prayer in the sokoban zoo
23:28 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2465 points, 3285 turns, killed by an orcish arrow
23:28 <rld> <@John Keel> second time today I've beaten the maze and then died
23:29 <K2> :/
23:32 <rld> <@John Keel> honestly there's no excuse
23:32 <rld> <@John Keel> I had two wishes I never even used from lamps yet because I thought I was set
23:32 <rld> <@luxidream> the maze?
23:33 <rld> <@luxidream> which one?
23:33 <rld> <@John Keel> sokoban 4 that is
23:33 <rld> <@John Keel> earlier a troll death-zapped me the instant I opened the door
23:33 <rld> <@John Keel> (and I got a helpful tip to just kick doors open diagonally from this chat)
23:34 <rld> <@luxidream> Ah I see
23:34 <rld> <@luxidream> Soko 4 is pretty tough
23:34 <rld> <@luxidream> stealth helps a lot if you can find it
23:35 <rld> <@luxidream> then all the monsters will be sleeping
23:35 <rld> <@John Keel> yeah that would have solved the first one
23:40 <Croesus> [US] [D]: bouquet (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5241 points, 6501 turns, killed by a soldier ant
23:41 <bouquet> bouquet:0 Team A:1
23:48 <Croesus> [US] [D]: arnibald (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 9838 points, 5722 turns, killed by a panther
23:57 <Croesus> [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2154 points, 4227 turns, killed by a warg, while praying
23:58 <eraserhead97> it's scary playing melee wizard (without MB as a lowbee)
23:58 <eraserhead97> lost my pet
23:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 701 points, T:992, killed by a gold golem