00:04 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Wiz Mal), 86 points, T:94, imp 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 1543 points, T:2657, killed by a gold golem 00:09 -!- moony has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:12 <@Umby> [Scrollback] that scales thing is actually a great idea 00:12 <@Umby> Also what's this 13d thing what keeps showing up. 00:12 <@Umby> Meant to ask. 00:13 nethack 1.3d one of the oldest versions of nethack 00:15 @d?living mirage 00:15 No such monster. 00:16 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Fig Mal), 188 points, T:297, little dog 00:19 aand monk quest bones 00:20 aosdict technically it IS the oldest version of nethack... first version of hack to have 'net' tossed in front of it 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:32222 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:32232 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:32356 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Master Kaen, on T:33990 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33993 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3934 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3934 00:29 does anyone know...can a cursed long sword still be #dipped for Excalibur/ 00:30 Yes. 00:30 As long as you're at least level 5 00:30 okay, cool. thanks! 00:30 It's probably not uncommon for the sword to become cursed during the attempt 00:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 4900 points, T:4645, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:32 <@Umby> I usually wait until XL7 00:32 <@Umby> To be superduper safe. 00:32 <@Umby> ...oh, wait, too late for that advice. 00:32 <@Umby> :c 00:32 thanks. okay, with that death...i'm headed to bed. Yeah, I was xp7, but the fountains kept drying up for me. 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32775 00:33 At least it wasn't water demons. 00:33 <@Umby> It's a matter of luck at that point, and not the in-game kind. 00:33 <@Umby> Yeah. 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:32871 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:32872 00:33 <@Umby> You can also just run from floating eyes usually if you don't have spare projectiles or attack wands. 00:35 yeah. i usually know better, especially since i already had the intrinsic. 00:35 just YASD 00:37 alright...good night. 00:37 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Tou Mal), 116 points, T:298, cadaver 00:38 Of course he's a cadaver. 00:40 !who 00:40 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh363] Quipyowert [nh363] RedArrow [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] oh6 [nh363] CALLOUS [nh13d] Ardub [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:41 <@Umby> Alright 00:41 <@Umby> XL8, cleared out a beehive with my dog 00:41 <@Umby> bow is skilled 00:41 <@Umby> Let's take care of this minesflayer. 00:42 <@Umby> Problem is I have no idea which direction he'll come from, and no idea how to properly navigate if I have to RUN run 00:42 <@Umby> applied speed monster wand 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:34663 00:44 <@Umby> it's close 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34666 00:44 <@Umby> locked on to my dog 00:46 <@Umby> he's in a section to the right, displacement might be my edge but I don't dare draw too close 00:46 <@Umby> and did it 00:47 <@Umby> dog and I dropped him 00:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:47 <@Umby> not a shapeshifter either 00:47 EvilHack updated (all servers) 00:47 ^ latest devteam bits, some eh specific tweaks/bugfixes 00:47 <@Umby> Yay verily 00:47 wewt 00:47 <@Umby> Oh, K2, you know any openings? 00:48 queens gambit? 00:48 bird's defence 00:48 or are we not talking about chess 00:49 e4 or go home 00:49 :) 00:49 <@luxidream> d4 is where it's at 😛 00:49 <@Umby> Lul 00:49 lead with your kings pawn... please 00:49 <@Umby> I keep dropping words I think are obvious in my head 00:49 <@luxidream> I just hate playing the sicilian 00:49 <@Umby> Clan openings, rather 00:49 oh that 00:49 @luxidream ... when death is on the line? 00:50 inconcievable! 00:50 (sp) 00:50 (smells vial) its iocane powder... i'd bet my life on it 00:50 <@luxidream> lol aosdict 00:51 @Umby there's a few clans that only have 2-3 players 00:51 so yeah there's plenty if those clan admins are willing 00:51 <@Umby> Coo. 00:51 boy this npc deathmatch sure is a breeze when you have a +100 helm and +120 cleaver 00:51 <@Umby> There like a formal list or something? 00:51 <@Umby> First time clanning here :B 00:51 <@Umby> Also boo, at least be sporting Aos 00:51 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clans.html 00:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:35326 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:35327 00:55 !who 00:55 K2: [hdf-us] Quipyowert [nh363] RedArrow [nh363] Luxidream [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] oh6 [nh363] CALLOUS [nh13d] Ardub [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:56 so 363-hdf is updated on eu amd au servers 00:56 i'll have to wait until no one is play it on hdf-us 00:56 *and 00:57 <@Umby> Sweet 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:35595 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:35640 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Val Fem), 656 points, T:522, orc 01:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:36979 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37285 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Quipyowert (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 1328 points, T:3438, killed by the Oracle 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37341 01:06 <@Umby> Niceℱ 01:06 <@Umby> Oh wow, someone died to the Oracle 01:06 rite of passage 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37593 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37594 01:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6029 points, T:5984, poisoned by a snake 01:08 <@Umby> RIP 01:08 <@Umby> meanwhile I'm just mad I got Dark Minetown again 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:37970 01:09 <@Umby> always have to chase down digging dwarves in the dark 01:09 <@Umby> no fun 01:09 <@luxidream> do you have a new computer to play in the tournament? 01:10 <@Umby> nah, I'll be just making the "hike" to the computer lab to play during available hours 01:11 <@Umby> it's a bit of a ways but it'll be worth the effort 01:13 <@luxidream> ah cool 01:13 <@luxidream> I used to play in the computer lab all the time 01:14 hmm, seems that we've lots the ability to search much of the chat history through discord 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:39251 01:14 <@Umby> in what sense? 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39258 01:14 I can't find the tameable pet peeve by searching on discord 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:39273 01:14 <@Umby> hmm 01:14 <@luxidream> probably still there 01:15 <@luxidream> discord search just sucks 01:15 <@Umby> maybe the bot was down during that down? 01:15 <@Umby> or that :B 01:15 <@Umby> but I seem to be able to search just fine 01:15 <@Umby> you might be misremembering whatever key phrase you're using to search 01:15 or the oil fumble boots 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39404 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39412 01:15 <@Umby> The sucky thing about going to the computer lab is I won't be able to continue the games properly outside of them 01:16 <@Umby> unless I use that time to adapt to and practice a vikeys setup or w/e 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:39840 01:19 bug_sniper: the idea was literally just 'have a tameable monster called a peeve' 01:19 I don't usually trim details 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41269 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Quipyowert (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 396 points, T:1308, killed by a gnome 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:41892 01:24 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:4098 01:25 <@Umby> Watery tarts are the tastiest ones 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:42408 01:30 <@luxidream> so famine somehow decided to occupy the same space as a locked door 01:30 <@luxidream> when I killed him he left no corpse 01:30 <@Umby> The Horseman of Hunger, defeated by the cosmic janitorial system 01:30 <@Umby> Did it say you feel less hassled at any point? 01:31 <@luxidream> no 01:31 <@luxidream> he just straight up didn't leave a corpse 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:42562 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1507498 points, T:42576, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1572491073.nh.html 01:32 <@luxidream> eh, whatever 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:20748 01:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 459 points, T:694, killed by Ms. Tirebolu; the shopkeeper 01:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:35 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 01:38 <@Umby> Probably a TIL 01:38 Congrats 01:38 <@Umby> GG Luxi 01:39 <@Umby> YANI btw: any food dropped by molds and funguses should be autocursed 01:39 <@luxidream> Thanks Andrio, umby 01:39 <@Umby> would you trust food that just had mold on it? :B 01:39 <@luxidream> I think what happened is Famine displaced the vampire lord in the door 01:39 <@luxidream> currently in fog cloud form 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 559 points, T:590, killed by a rock piercer 01:39 <@luxidream> causing him to be in the door 01:40 <@Umby> o 01:40 <@luxidream> wonder if that's replicable lol 01:40 <@luxidream> maybe I'll try tomorrow 01:40 <@Umby> wiztesting time! 01:40 <@Umby> :B 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 159 points, T:250, killed by a sewer rat 01:47 gnite all 01:47 aosdict, still not finding it by searching discord so might be from a time when discord bots were down 01:51 <@Umby> night K2 01:51 Would you trust food that's been on the floor for who knows how long and trodden on by various creatures? 01:52 <@luxidream> K-rations are nicely packaged 01:52 <@luxidream> I don't know about the pancake sitting on the floor though 01:52 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5257 01:54 how do you get penicillin without molds though? 01:56 yani: a biologist role who can turn mold corpses into potions of healing 01:59 and can tell if a pill is going to poison you, but that's a technicality 02:07 <@Umby> intrinsic poison resistance by leveling up mayhaps 02:07 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 02:07 <@Umby> Also something related to at-will food appraisal 02:09 <@Umby> maybe able to take clerical spells? 02:09 <@Umby> đŸ€” 02:10 What level do you have to be before mimics stop showing up as ]? 02:13 <@Umby> Iunno if that's a level based thing, lol 02:16 <@Umby> bug_snuper: see now you have my gears turning 02:16 <@Umby> YANI: biologist and zookeeper roles 02:16 <@Umby> biologist can start with +2 leather gloves, +1 apron, a potion of sickness and a wand of probing 02:17 <@Umby> natural bonus to alchemy 02:18 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:19 <@Umby> lordt, I was just picturing a potential quest artifact 02:20 <@Umby> lab coat that appears as an alchemy smock, somehow grants polymorph control and never gets destroyed where a normal apron would 02:21 <@Umby> if anything it'd probably be artifact lenses a la EotO 02:26 and a biologist should get better outcomes when polymorph monsters or him/herself 02:27 <@Umby> that requires the game to know what better is in any given situation 02:27 by knowing which mutations are survivable and whether or not a polymorph will kill you or turn you into an acid blob 02:27 <@Umby> I don't think certain polymorphs are more likely to induce system shock than anything else 02:28 "You will turn into a grid bug. Are you sure you want to polymorph youyself?" 02:28 <@Umby> perhaps limited rerolls on any given polyself attempt if done without polymorph control? 02:28 <@Umby> đŸ€” 02:28 yeah 02:29 "Your pet will go into system shock. Are you sure you want to polymorph him? 02:29 <@Umby> makes them slightly less of a crapshoot but doesn't make polycontrol redundant 02:30 <@Umby> if you decide to take risks they're more measured but if you want full control you got poly control anyway 02:31 <@Umby> that'll be tricky to balance but depending on how much either of us commit to the idea we could prob. figure out something 02:32 also, if we ever implement herb farming and animal husbandry, farmers and biologists get bonuses to obtaining beneficial mutations 02:32 <@Umby> wew 02:33 <@Umby> hmm, still feeling out the starting inventory 02:33 <@Umby> I should write this down tomorrow but for now, something like 02:33 <@Umby> pair of lenses, leather gloves and an apron as definites 02:33 <@Umby> scroll of identify or two maybe 02:33 <@Umby> perhaps a potion of sickness 02:33 <@Umby> wand of probing 02:34 <@Umby> you know, For Researchℱ 02:34 petri dish and empty flasks 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Mitra, on T:8416 02:34 BEHiker91W, it's a (10 - level difficulty) in 10 chance 02:35 <@Umby> I'm going on the assumption we're not adding new items and such 02:35 <@Umby> not that those couldn't be done 02:35 empty potion bottles already exist in some variants 02:35 <@Umby> but I like acting within the limits of the existing framework 02:35 <@Umby> get a solid core before branching out 02:35 <@Umby> OOH 02:35 <@Umby> OOH 02:36 <@Umby> starting with a potion of acid and a potion of water could work too 02:36 scalpel and curare darts 02:37 hmm, I'm surprised amy didn't put curare into slex 02:38 <@Umby> I'll have to get on this tomorrow for sure 02:38 <@Umby> pinch me as a reminder :B 02:39 -!- merleke has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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] 02:40 <@luxidream> but what if you wake up? 02:40 <@luxidream> can't have that happening now, can we? 02:40 did any variant implement curare darts? 02:41 <@Umby> if they did, I wouldn't know 02:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8510 02:45 also, a serum extractor for when a bologist needs to get a special fluid from a body or corpse 02:46 and a biologist should know the draw blood technique 02:48 and the serum extractor should let you pick from several fluids if from a corpse, and a biologist might be able to alchemize the serums with other potions 02:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11311 02:51 <@Umby> Hm hm 02:51 <@Umby> Will sleep on all this 02:51 <@Umby> night 02:51 <@Umby> ! 02:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:55 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3643 02:57 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3728 03:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:38339 03:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:17107 03:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:57 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:04 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:20 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:24 -!- vevais has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had a battle-axe named Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:11372 04:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 04:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 04:42 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:02 <@Plisp> what a lad 05:03 !lastgame hill 05:03 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/H/Hill/nethack/dumplog/1571125210.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/Hill/nethack/dumplog/1544450410.nh.html 05:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:18837 05:07 <@Plisp> unlucky 05:26 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:07 <@ScienceBall> I just ascended for the first time! I was playing locally, but I plan to start playing on Hardfought from now on. 06:07 Congrats @ScienceBall! 06:08 and Welcome :) 06:08 <@ScienceBall> Thank you! 06:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:13 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Graz'zt, on T:40449 06:17 Congrats DemigodBall 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Kni Mal), 929 points, T:992, poisonous corpse 06:28 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased spellbook of finger of death", on T:41018 06:28 congrats, scienceball!!! That's awesome !! 06:28 (and yeah, you should definitely play on hdf!) 06:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:41165 06:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Pri Mal), 379 points, T:669, jackal 06:43 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Arc Mal), 72 points, T:296, hobgoblin 06:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:48 Shall i go fuck demogorgon up? 06:48 congrats scienceball 06:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:49 first ascension is always a great moment 06:54 stand back everyone, i will eat doener for the first time in like 10 years 06:57 porkman: what is demogorgon like in ndnh? 06:58 kinda kicks your ass and takes names 06:58 stenno: ommmmmmmmmg can you order one for me too? I'll give you the money later ;) 06:59 Stenno!!! 06:59 how are you 06:59 lol 06:59 hey Porkmantwo 06:59 idk can't complain too much 07:00 i may or may not apply for a new job in another city today 07:00 or rather make the first arrangements for the interview 07:00 watch me get ass handed to me by demogorgon :p 07:00 oh ndnh 07:02 gogo good luck 07:02 i will see if i can hunt down aforementioned doener 07:03 does a triple gorgoneion work better than a heptagram for demogorgon? 07:04 * LarienTelrunya absolutely wants a döner too 07:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42162 07:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Belial, on T:42454 07:12 -!- merleke has joined #hardfought 07:17 LarienTelrunya: unfortunately doener mail has not been invented yet 07:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3660 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Val Fem), 925 points, T:1178, zombie 07:21 You can't get donners from just-eat? 07:21 And to think, I was applying for German citizenship! 07:22 sorry, doing some last minute porking before i go at him 07:23 bubbles_nhww: you should come to germany because then we could meet up and I'd bubblebubblebubble (or bundlebundlebundle) you in person :D 07:23 I am going to west germany next week! 07:24 Where the windmills are 07:24 And only iof you promise not to shoe me! 07:25 what, for real? you're coming to germany? 07:25 West Germany 07:25 With the clogs and marijuanananas and stuff 07:26 heh, west germany is big though :P would be interesting to know if you're coming near me 07:26 I was talking about the netherlands \o/ 07:26 Sure, I love Proper Germany too, need to burn down my holiday days 07:26 ohh you're going to walk the dike with your block-heeled lady boots? 07:27 I'm going to stick my finger in the dike to stop it from gushing so much 07:27 You hear a distant zap. You hear a nearby zap. You hear a nearby zap. You hear a nearby zap. 07:28 the gnome comes into sight, i cast sleep and kill him. And it's a wand of polymorph (likely nearly if not empty) 07:28 was he polypiling? 07:29 Maybe he was zapping himself 07:29 to try and become a better gnome 07:29 You hear a distant zap. You hear a mumbled curse. 07:29 heh. yeah i mean, it could have gone much worse... 07:30 he could have polymorphed ME (no mr yet) or turned himself into an arch lich 07:30 I don't think monsters can become out of depth monsters by zapping themselves; only via polymorph traps or natural shapeshifting. 07:30 Unless it's only potions that work that way 07:30 You hear a distant zap. Oh no he's using touch of death... DYWYPI? 07:30 in eh they will throw the poly potions like they do paralysis 07:30 truly evil 07:31 yeah it sucks getting it with one on lvl 1 of the mines and have your robe rip 07:31 You hear a gnome reading a scroll of summon ood monster. 07:32 :o 07:32 hurr hurr hurr 07:32 now i go get him 07:33 EPI: Demogorgon has a level-wide psionic wave attack like a mind flayer, except that if it hits you (and it can do so from across the level), it replicates the elder priest's melee attack effect. 07:33 is that in slex? 07:34 nah, slex isn't unbalanced (as you well know) :P 07:34 Are most monospaced fonts 1x2 ? 07:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35 no? 07:36 Some are actually. In some unit of measurement. 07:36 hmm 07:36 drum of earthquake creates umber hulks? 07:36 You sure it's not a drum of umberquake? 07:36 thank you for playing on a normal size screen :) 07:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:43 what, dnh really made it so that all earthquakes create U's? I thought only the elder priest's "lol im ultra annoying" spell does that 07:44 actually ISTR the earthquakes creating xorns too 07:47 Hey guys, any tnnt clan still looking for noob lvl members? Then invite me -> mosen plz :) 07:48 eLtMosen: you have an invitation now <3 07:48 Yaay! 07:48 First come first serve <3 07:50 Woho, Elron is aboard. Are we an extinctionist clan? :p 07:50 uhh I fear that's another player in our team, Elronnd (just happens to be a rather similar name) 07:50 Oh ok. just guessing :D 07:51 welcome to our very feeeeeeemale team :) 07:51 Well in nethack i am 90% female too :) 07:51 (watching porkinator's game) wtf dnethack still doesn't use the 25th status line in the year 2019??? 07:51 <{Demo}> I'm 90% shoe 07:52 {Demo} hahaha 07:52 geez, lol 07:52 {Demo} fix the annoyance where the 24th status line cuts off at "Satiated Bl" and make it do the logical thing: put the "Blind" in the 25th line! :P 07:53 also why does dnh look like color vomit in porkinator's game 07:54 i have active detect monsters 07:54 and Demogorgon looks kind of unkillable when he always stands at least two squares away while using his "lol they also work at range" uberspell spam 07:55 he needs to stop standing at a knight's move 07:56 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 07:56 morning 07:57 o/ 07:57 from watching your game I'd say "literally unkillable" :P no one will be able to polearm him to death because imagine how many hits that would require, with you all the time having to pray he doesn't curse it and render your hands useless 07:57 melee just plain doesn't work because he's never at melee range, and spells, I dunno, does cone of cold do anything to him? can it even hit him? 07:57 the problem is, i am blind 07:57 because if you aren't blind, you get fucked by looking at him 07:58 oh 07:58 he has a passive amnesia + level drain thing 07:58 * K2 stretches 07:58 and if you are blind you can't cast ball spells (idiotic if you ask me) 07:59 "idiotic" is an understatement :P cone of cold should be a ray spell, with the sigil of tempest or whatever it's called allowing the player to temporarily turn it into a ball spell 07:59 <{Demo}> wait did I not change that 07:59 so who's dressed up *right now* for halloween? 07:59 <{Demo}> I'm wearing orange 07:59 <{Demo}> does that count 07:59 yes 07:59 K2: I'm dressed up as AmyBSOD, does that count? 07:59 {Demo} went this year as an orange, check 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had a silver saber named Werebane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:29197 07:59 <{Demo}> pork there is a chance ndnh let's u cast ball spells while blind 07:59 LarienTelrunya dressed up as 'fleecy' 08:00 heh, at least my "PlateauflĂŒschlies" (platform fleecies, i.e. what I call my lovely boots) are indeed fleecy ♄ 08:00 it doesnt 08:00 <{Demo}> that's retarded 08:01 <{Demo}> that shit always pisses me off 08:01 <{Demo}> I know I was gonna change it but I guess I didn't 08:01 LarienTelrunya, has the term "flĂŒschlies" traveled the world or are we in the same country? :p 08:01 {Demo}: should have based your variant upon slashem, which is the "true vanilla" so to speak, where all that works as intended :D 08:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:43195 08:02 eLtMosen: actually I've made it up :D combination of the german words "FlĂŒgel" and "BĂŒschel" 08:02 he also shreds armor like nobodys business 08:02 I will come back to this later 08:02 Porkmantwo: I think he'll shred you if that attack hits you while you're not wearing any armor 08:03 but just from watching, I'd say that he's in fact more overpowered than the elder priest, and not just a little... the only reason why I still consider the elder priest the most dangerous enemy in dnh is that you must fight him, while Demo can be skipped 08:03 In the rhine area flĂŒschlies or plĂŒschies is a set term for comfy houseshoes since like forever ;) 08:03 haha really? how cuuuuute ♄ 08:04 <{Demo}> amy that used to be something I wanted to do 08:04 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:05 {Demo}: doesn't dnethack inherit the ridiculous GruntHack bug "fix" 08:05 Porkmantwo: how about a relaxing game of slex where monsters aren't overpowered? :D (really, what's up with that weird "lol demogorgon can still melee you while standing several tiles away" behavior) 08:05 making ball spells ridiculously OP 08:05 In dnh ball spells are still rays 08:05 Wtf? 08:05 There is a second spell "blizzard" or "firestorm" 08:05 even vanilla had it for a time 08:05 that was fun 08:05 That is the none-ray version 08:06 <{Demo}> no idea 08:06 {Demo} is that not the same in udnh? 08:06 grunthack made a fix that makes it possible to target any monster you see 08:06 rather than any square you can see 08:06 this is a mostly reasonable fix 08:06 In dnh cone of cold is a ray, when you get skilled/expert? it is a ray with a ball explosion at the end 08:06 But when you read the spellbook you ALSO get a spell "blizzard" 08:06 Which is the targeted version 08:06 except the fix checks for monsters you can *sense at all* 08:06 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06 not merely just see 08:06 this means 08:07 You can cast from across the level? 08:07 that with monster detection 08:07 \o/ 08:07 or extrinsic telepathy 08:07 you can target through walls 08:07 Astral vision? 08:07 in slashem, cone of cold is a ray and if you use the sigil of tempest technique it temporarily turns into a ball that does not work when blind or on the plane of water (but the ray always works, thankfully) 08:07 making the ball spells easily the strongest attack spells in the game 08:07 LarienTelrunya so similar to dnh 08:07 Good! 08:07 Or dnh is similar to slashem 08:07 Whichever way round 08:08 I've used them to great effect in astral 08:08 bubbles_nhww: not exactly; in slashem you never lose the ability to fire it as a ray when increasing your skill, i.e. the biggest argh factor is gone 08:08 fireballing everything 08:08 !PoM 08:08 APic: The moon is waxing crescent; full moon in 10 days. 08:08 from a safe distance 08:08 skills should never be detrimental to the player when increased, IMHO, but cone of cold violates this principle even in vanilla 08:08 it kills almost everything 08:08 in astral 08:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 888 points, T:2326, killed by a manes 08:09 fun fact: on my 1st pacifist run on astral, I accidentally hit an acid blob 08:09 I missed 08:10 probably due to lack of skill 08:10 LarienTelrunya in dnh you ALWAYS fire it as a ray 08:10 But at skilled/expert you get an EXTRA ball at the end of the ray 08:10 (not targetted) 08:10 oh? sounds dangerous 08:10 so dnh made the ball spells way worse? 08:10 not cool 08:10 FIQ you get a SECOND spell 08:10 Which is targetted 08:11 ah 08:11 If you read cone of cold you get two spells "cone of cold = ray", "blizzard = target" 08:11 oh right I forgot about that 08:11 Cast skilled spell? 08:11 or something 08:11 I think it's a pretty good compromise 08:11 so if you cast the ray in this situation: .....@&| then the cone of cold hits the demon, hits the wall, explodes, and catches you in the explosion? 08:11 oh it just gives you a 2nd spell now 08:11 ok 08:11 used to ask you every time 08:11 meaning you can no longer safely cast it even with reflection? 08:11 it was annoying 08:11 Larien no, it would bounce off the wall, then off your refl 08:12 FIQ ahh, yeah, current way is nicer 08:12 And means the targetted spell can be higher difficulty 08:12 Without penalising 08:12 dnd skilled clairvoyance is also targeted 08:12 which is kinda neat 08:12 bubbles_nhww: yeah but it will eventually explode and ruin vulnerable items in your inventory and/or deal damage to you too with no way to turn it off, right? 08:12 magic mapping is still superior IIRC in places that allow you to map the level 08:12 I guess 08:12 *dnh 08:12 not D&D 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Wiz Mal), 430 points, T:1103, imp 08:12 LarienTelrunya it's a pretty good compromise though 08:13 LarienTelrunya: in recent fh versions, you're immune to your own wand explosions 08:13 bubbles_nhww: IMHO it's not, as it still violates the "skills shouldn't be detrimental" principle :P 08:13 assuming they didn't come from a wand exploding 08:13 FIQ: *in a deep, sarcastic voice* Finally. :D 08:14 people kept complaining that you could hit yourself in your own skilled+ rays 08:14 I never saw a major problem with it since you can just control skill fairly well with BUC 08:14 i'm trying toi imagine LarienTelrunya speaking in a deep voice. not happening 08:14 K2 deep*er* 08:14 Imagine that at least! 08:14 .... nope 08:14 and more uses for items of different BUC is a good thing IMO 08:14 does not compute 08:15 FIQ: that is already a major problem in my eyes, you suddenly have to use holy (or worse, UNholy, and risk your wand exploding) water as a penalty for increasing your skill??? Like, WHAT? 08:15 wands never explode when cursed 08:15 unless you're unskilled (where it always explodes instead) 08:16 having to do more micromanagement with BUC is IMHO not a good thing but a bad thing, but oh well 08:16 fiqhack tries to make BUC more distinct if it can 08:17 bubbles_nh - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7a4153c92ad1a531d6cd7ab401af2f1356dde769 08:17 there should be an effect if an item is blessed/cursed 08:17 for example 08:17 oh by the way, why is the pacifist conduct not broken when you hit a monster without killing it? I mean you directly used violence, so you shouldn't be a pacifist any longer... 08:17 lamp ranges are BUC-dependant in fiqhack 08:17 blessed lamps have a 4-wide range 08:17 cursed a 2-wide 08:17 uncursed is 3-wide as before 08:17 LarienTelrunya its kill or not kill 08:18 * bubbles_nhww reads codes 08:18 so you could take that conduct a step further 08:18 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 08:18 then YANI: "true pacifist" conduct, where you're also never allowed to hurt a monster directly 08:18 ultra-pacifist 08:18 'never hit any monster with anything ever' 08:19 call it 'ghandi conduct' 08:19 nuke everything? 08:19 from the wiki: If there is no available square on your new dungeon level for your pet or any follower monster, it instantly vanishes. This does not break conduct. (Beware: the game can crash if the follower has an invocation item!) 08:19 is that really true?! 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Nin Mal), 94 points, T:182, imp 08:20 yeah s/hit/hurt 08:20 What the cuss, I didn't realise k2 was so handsome 08:20 rofl 08:21 LarienTelrunya: well it doesn't crash in more recent versions 08:21 I think it crashed in vanilla 3.4.3 08:21 true vanilla 3.4.3, not pseudo-vanilla in 343-nao/343-hdf 08:21 ah damn, so the bug may still be present in slex too 08:21 that pic is a few years old, but other than some extra grey hair, still same 08:22 however the actual question is if it can result in the invocation items disappearing permanently 08:27 ah well, time for me to leave and disappear into the weekend (yay for tomorrow being a holiday! :D) 08:28 \o/ 08:28 maybe I can even get some actual slex coding done for once 08:28 the dream of another release in 2019 is still alive! 08:28 anyway, later guys ♄ 08:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29 i should make my github pic my old high school yearbook pic 08:29 ^ https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2519/source 08:31 MMMmmmmm <3 08:31 seeya amy 08:32 Ah gone already 08:32 haha 08:32 Should "walls" be a feature 08:32 Rather than a base tile type? 08:32 I.e. should walls actually be floor tiles with a wall on top 08:33 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 08:51 bubbles_nhww: whats the definition of a feature? 08:53 yes 'feature' is ill defined 08:53 if you mean furniture, certainly no 08:54 bubbles_nhww: I don't recall how much from the ground up your stuff is, but you should check with jonadab for his idea of a much saner layer model than nethack has 08:55 Completelye ground up aosdict 08:55 In my mind a feature is like an altar/fountain/wall/door etc 08:56 aosdict thanks for the pointer, jonadab has a wiki page or something? 08:56 but its a bit ambigious still 08:56 *pokes jonadab* 08:56 wall/floor/pit/hole 08:56 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56 pit/hole replace floor 08:56 So they are the base layer 08:56 but walls do too? 08:56 When you mine a wall, I believe you should see floor, not rock 08:57 Or at least some kind of foundation/corridor like tile, but not rock 08:57 Currently you get corridor I think? 08:57 You shouldn't get corridor from mining rock either, it should be "rough stone" 08:57 The weirdism is that in a "lit" room, the walls are lit 08:58 Which implies that tile is "special" 08:58 alex___ sorry, I see your point, in bubblehack I've not decided if walls DO replace floors, or are just a layer on top. 08:58 bubbles_nhww: From what I remember, the layers consist of something like: base terrain type, furniture, traps, items, monsters, temporary things like clouds 08:59 Door is base terrain? 09:00 I guess could be furniture 09:00 it would make more sense as furniture, because there's a clear definition of what it would be underneath if you removed the door 09:00 walls would probably be base terrain 09:01 Fountains? 09:01 I'd say furniture but 09:02 I'll keep walls as base terrain for the mo-mo, it's easy to change it later (he says, optimistically) 09:04 fountains would be furniture 09:06 you could go overboard with classifying things like walls as furniture. if everything is going to be furniture on top of a ROOM tile, then the terrain layer is rather pointless. 09:06 [backscroll] bubbles_nh i think either sporkhack or grunthack does that (mine a wall, you see floor) 09:07 K2: doesn't nethack do that in all variants 09:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10119 09:08 not in the mines i dont think 09:09 mines turn into corridors for some reason, ok 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Ziberian (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 653 points, T:1701, killed by a dwarf 09:11 aosdict yeah I think you're probably right re: terrain layer becoming useless 09:12 K2 I think it makes sense because of how lit rooms work 09:12 Though lit rooms are kinda weird anyway 09:24 @luxidream I reproduced and reported the rider leaving no corpse thing 09:31 vanilla bug? 09:31 how does that happen 09:34 -!- Jonathan_ has joined #hardfought 09:34 Why are my VLINE not joining up? 09:36 aosdict: is there a vanilla bug that makes rider corpses disappear? 09:37 https://i.imgur.com/PjCH0s0.png weird 09:40 bubbles_nhww: Hmm? 09:41 stenno: kill a rider that is standing on top of a closed door because it displaced a monster (fog cloud, xorn, probably ghost, etc) that was occupying the closed door space. no corpse is dropped 09:41 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:41 jonadab aosdict mentioned you had some thoughts on layers 09:42 nice :D 09:42 layers, like in graphical display? 09:42 good to know 09:42 resisting urge to make shrek reference 09:42 LIke, for tilesets? 09:42 that sounds so easy to make that its a valid strategy 09:42 just gotta get a phasing monster 09:42 jonadab: No, in the actual game's level model. 09:42 Oh, hmm. 09:43 stenno: I don't know how easy it is without wizard mode ^g 09:43 stenno: Oh, wait, it works with acid blobs. Confused cursed create monster ahoy! 09:43 o7 09:43 ncie 09:44 My main thinking in the game's level model, that might be seen as layers, is that the MAP sections of .des files should have a way to specify "this part is to-be-determined and can be filled in by the level generator, or can default to what the base level generator already filled in before we do the overlay. 09:44 Is that what you're thinking? 09:44 no 09:44 My instinct was to use ? as the map character for that. 09:44 I was more thinking along the lines of separating the "terrain" from the "furniture", and possibly the "walls" 09:44 in the actual game engine itself 09:44 I think that's more dnethack stuff then. 09:44 I mean, I can see the benefit of it. 09:44 I distinctly remember you talking about this 09:45 I might have, but I don't recall details. 09:45 I could dig around in logs I suppose. 09:45 Not sure what search regex to use though. 09:46 Terrain possible? 09:46 Huh. why was that underlined. 09:46 I do think, now that you mention it, that having stuff like stairs/altar/whatnot be possible on any base terrain, makes a certain amount of sense. 09:46 Though you'd want the level generator to at least TRY not to put e.g. down stairs on water. 09:46 I guess it's my idea then ;) 09:47 It's a sufficiently obvious thing that I don't think we need worry about patenting it. 09:47 <{Demo}> I still want multiple stairs between levels 09:47 ^ I want that. 09:47 But it requires that stairs know their x y destination, to do what I want. 09:48 id like "shortcut" stairs that skip multiple levels 09:48 alex___: Have you seen dtsund's proposal for the Arc role? 09:48 no, where can i read it? 09:48 I think that's on the wiki in my username space. 09:48 ok 09:48 Lemme see if I can find it. 09:49 {Demo} the current stair/portal situation is sad 09:49 You'll be happy to know bubblestairs are completely independent of each other, so you can have an entire level full of stairs and poetals! 09:49 is it here? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Jonadab/Scratchpad 09:50 No, that's dungeon overhaul. 09:50 This would be class overhaul. 09:50 Hang on, let me grep my IRC logs for URLs in my username space. 09:50 <{Demo}> good 09:51 <{Demo}> I support bubblestairs 09:51 Found it. 09:51 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Jonadab/ClassOverhaul 09:51 Note that I didn't _write_ this. 09:52 I just posted it on the wiki to preserve it. It was previously in the NH4 Trac wiki, which is defunct. 09:52 nice. ive been thinking about classes not being distinct as well 09:52 For the thing you were talking about, specifically see the Arc section, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Jonadab/ClassOverhaul#Avoidance:_Archeologist 09:53 But yes, the whole thing is worth a read, IMO. 09:53 If you are thinking about game design issues. 09:53 <{Demo}> read part of the spell section 09:53 <{Demo}> it wasn't worth reading 09:54 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- Cevn_ has joined #hardfought 09:54 {Demo}: This document's design philosophy is not a close match for yours. 09:54 <{Demo}> everybody has all these opinions about spells and they are all wrong :P 09:55 TODO: Give Archeologists some means of gaining experience aside from fighting. 09:55 maybe for discovering artifacts 09:55 <{Demo}> hmm 09:56 <{Demo}> pirates should be able to dig for treasure 09:56 {Demo}: If they find a shovel? 09:57 Maybe the pirate quest could have "treasure map" scrolls, which when read reveal any buried gold on the level. 09:57 you mean these? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Scroll_of_gold_detection 09:57 ha was about to say 09:58 Oh, right, I always forget that scroll exists. I don't think I've bothered to remove it from Fourk yet for some reason. Should. 09:58 Though what I should actually do, probably, is wait until I have a more interesting scroll to replace it with. 09:59 jonadab: I want to move object detection and monster detection to scrolls. Object detection scroll would obsolete gold detection. 09:59 aosdict: That makes sense. Assuming you mean move them from potion to scroll. 09:59 its fine to have some 'trash' scrolls though 10:00 (The main impetus is that why should drinking a potion reveal objects on the level? That's much easier to flavor as scroll magic) 10:00 alex___: Yes, but the trash scrolls should be _interesting_ trash, like scroll of water, scroll of destroy armor. 10:00 Destroy armour isn't trash though, especially if you consider the confused effect. 10:00 Also, scroll of stinking cloud should probably be more common. Nobody ever uses them. 10:01 well, just like scroll of destroy armor can fooproof your stuff, so can gold detection find traps for you 10:01 Andrio: That's true, but I don't mind all objects having niche uses. In fact I prefer it. 10:01 mm 10:01 the one pure 'trash' scroll is amnesia 10:01 Oh, right, confused gold detection. I use that every ascension, why didn't I remember it? Eh, make confused object detection do it, we're good. 10:02 Punishment is also pure trash. 10:02 But punishment is _interesting_ trash. Unlike amnesia which is just terrible and I removed it from Fourk. 10:02 Unless you want to bap monsters with the heavy iron ball 10:02 Or throw it. 10:02 <{Demo}> punishment is useful if you want to exploit ball and chain bugs 10:02 you can at least undo the effects of punishment 10:02 Or eat it. 10:02 Heh 10:02 Oh, hmm, _temporary_ amnesia, now THERE is an idea. 10:03 You should see what the ball and chain lets you do in Spelunky. 10:03 Could be interesting, but I don't want to do the work to implement it, yikes. 10:03 only good usecase with amnesia is if it lets you forget spells faster so you can cast them for confusion, during speedruns 10:03 Yeah 10:03 though quite niched 10:03 There are other confusion sources. Not least eggs. 10:03 <{Demo}> booze should help u forget spells 10:03 That's assuming you have no other way to confuse yourself. 10:03 {Demo}: That is not a bad idea, actually. 10:04 sure theres better sources, but speedrunners dont usually have a lot of options 10:04 I don't think the game should be balanced around speedrunning, though. Whatever the game mechanics _are_, speedrunners find ways to (ab)use them, that's what speedrunning is all about. 10:05 its not balanced around speedrunning, its just that there is a usecase for a specific niche 10:05 Sure. 10:05 a very specific one sure, but its nethack after all 10:05 But I'm not going to let it stop me from changing the list of scrolls, if I think that's a good idea otherwise. 10:06 I do kind of like the idea of changing the scroll of gold detection into a more general scroll of object detection, and replacing the potion of object detection with some other potion. 10:06 <@luxidream> Confused potion effect? 10:06 Do potions have confused effects, currently? 10:06 I am drawing a blank. 10:06 no 10:06 How do you misdrink a potion? 10:07 by splashing it in your face 10:07 <@luxidream> You mispronounce the words on the potion...? 10:07 ah~ 10:07 I can understand confusion maybe messing with your perception of what the potion detects. 10:07 Oh, haha, it ends up down your windpipe? 10:07 aside from hallucination obviously doing that. 10:07 Hallucination is its own special snowflake. 10:07 Being confused, you choke over the potion of water. You die... 10:07 might as well add smoking scrolls too 10:07 <@luxidream> Also haha @ using amnesia on speedruns 10:07 <{Demo}> ndnh has potion vaping 10:08 Is it useful? 10:08 <{Demo}> smoking scrolls could be interesting 10:08 <@luxidream> Playing with fire there 10:08 <{Demo}> sort of 10:08 <{Demo}> for some potions, yes 10:08 <{Demo}> a potion vaporizer filled with confusion would be useful for the planes 10:08 <@luxidream> I usually quit when I get brainsucked, not actively seek it out :p 10:09 is there any special effect if you get brainsucked while confused? does the flayer get confused too? 10:09 That would be hilarious. 10:09 <@luxidream> turncount speedrun uses confuse monster 10:09 But confusion doesn't do much to hostile monsters, does it? 10:09 -!- Jonathan_ has joined #hardfought 10:09 well itd be fun if it did, like prevent them for sucking more brains 10:09 <{Demo}> I want a race that when brain sucked the sucker dies 10:10 <@luxidream> It helps a little 10:10 -!- Croesus has joined #hardfought 10:11 !ping 10:11 K2: Pong! 10:11 K2: Pong! 10:11 :P 10:11 !time 10:11 K2: Thu Oct 31 10:11:16 2019 EDT 10:11 K2: 2019-10-31 14:11:16 UTC. 2019 Tournament begins in 0d 09:48:43 10:12 haha there's a couple of overlapping commands there. 10:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by K2 10:14 YANIfying two ideas ^^^: booze hurts your spell memory, and something eating your brain will get confused if you are confused 10:14 hah neat 10:14 I don't have a neural net trained to sort out conversations about new ideas 10:16 <{Demo}> wait it starts at the utc? 10:16 How come when I ssh into hardfought the VLINE character renders correctrly, but if I just open a text file locally it doesn't? 10:17 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:17 <{Demo}> dude hdf is weird 10:18 bubbles_nhww: Probably something to do with charsets. 10:18 Ah, if I select a symset on the server is it doing something extra? 10:18 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:18 -!- Irestine has quit [Quit: Irestine] 10:18 The web server probably tells the browser "everything I am sending you is UTF-8 because this is not 1995 any more". 10:19 This is ssh in on the terminal! 10:19 Oh, right, hmm. 10:19 is this a custom symbol? 10:19 there have been very recent changes to those for vanilla 10:19 Nah, │ 10:19 It works on all versions, but if I copy/paste that into Terminal.app it doesn't join up 10:19 ( I use terminal.app to ssh into hardfought) 10:19 that looks like a very tall | to me 10:20 It's a box drawing VLINE 10:20 * stenno recommends iterm2 as alternative to terminal.app 10:20 I don't know, maybe the OS thinks the filesystem is storing some other charset? 10:20 I use iterm2 for everything else \o/ 10:20 And it works fine in iterm2 10:20 well why not just also for nethack? :) 10:20 Though I'd expect OS X to be all UTF-8-ified by now. 10:20 i have a nice profile for nethack 10:21 Microsoft is the major holdout, or so I thought. 10:21 Just historical 10:21 bubbles_nhww: try changing the font of the terminal. 10:21 jonadab: uuhm, its Complicted 10:21 bhaak okey 10:21 stenno: THAT I believe. 10:21 bhaak but how come the same font works when I ssh 10:21 almost as complicated as typing 'complicated' correctly 10:21 Hmm, menlo works but Monaco doesn't 10:21 wait 10:21 complicted - a portmanteaux of complicated and conflicted 10:21 How strange, no worries, weird terminal behaviour won't stop me from CODE 10:21 monaco is not monospace 10:22 It is! 10:22 just use menlo because menlo is love 10:22 But taller 10:22 Yeah Menlo I use now 10:22 oh 10:22 -!- Croesus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22 -!- Croesus has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 10:22 No idea why it was on Monaco anyway, still doesn't explain why it renders correctly remotely, but maybe nethack is changing codepage or something weird like that *shrug* 10:22 No biggie 10:23 Thanks all! 10:23 bubbles_nhww: I'm not sure, it's probably complicated 10:24 -!- Cevn__ has joined #hardfought 10:25 https://i.imgur.com/M5u6MKf.png woo 10:25 <@Tone> alex__: Speedruns tend to employ a lot of polyself exploits, so the confuse monster spell ends up being the most reliable source of confusion 10:25 Trying out a new multi-light-level system 10:26 <@Tone> Since you'll probably be in a monster form anyways 10:26 So lamps give you "strong light" near, and "weak light" further 10:26 bubbles_nhww: So at a distance you can only tell that it's a dragon, not what color? 10:26 bubbles_nhww: omg those colors. is your game meant to be unplayable? blue font on blue background??? :P 10:26 * jonadab wants a colorblindness implementation but doesn't want to put in the work to make it happen. 10:26 LarienTelrunya ignore that 10:27 -!- Cevn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 LarienTelrunya I need to fix my local palette, Terminal.app doesn't let you change it programatically \o/ 10:27 jonadab I was thinking more you'd be able to see something like 1/2/3 for "small/medium/large "monster, and then "]" for "an object" 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:24066 10:28 bubbles_nhww: That'd make sense at an even greater distance. But note that 1/2/3 are taken by warning. 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24094 10:29 I'd go with bold/bright white I for large monster, plain unbold white I for medium, bold/bright black ("dark grey") for small. 10:29 Ah yeah, I works better probably 10:29 Or something along those lines. 10:29 (? would make more sense than I, but that would be confusing in NetHack because scrolls.) 10:30 Aye, glyph overload is bad 10:30 I makes a lot of sense 10:30 With varying color/boldness 10:31 And when you farlook it, "Something large in the distance. 10:31 (or medium or small, whatever) 10:31 Err, "in the darkness" maybe better than distance. 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1443 points, T:3631, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:32 Aye, farlook super important! 10:32 It will make cavern-type levels way fairer 10:32 Well, easier, but I could pull in the "strong light" distance 10:33 If you're going to go with light levels, some races might need more light than others to see at a given level. 10:33 <{Demo}> can we have raycasting in bubblehack? 10:33 {Demo} in what respect? 10:33 Heh. 10:33 FOV is already raycast essentially 10:34 You mean like wands in non-8 directions? 10:34 <{Demo}> raycasting light sources 10:34 Are light sources not already raycast? 10:34 In all variants/vanilla? 10:34 Or do you mean finer granularity, so a tile can be partially lit? 10:34 I think the thing NetHack doesn't have, with regard to light, is the inverse square law, actually. 10:35 jonadab aye, that's what this multi-light level is attempting to move towards 10:35 Four moderately distant light sources can't add up to a similar light level to one close source, for instance. 10:36 I use distance^2 for the light level 10:36 But also, the raycasting comment was funny, because raycasting is also the standard term for the 3D rendering system used by early FPS games, including Doom. 10:36 (inverse of, but whatever) 10:36 {Demo} can you explain what you mean more, I am interested! 10:36 <{Demo}> raycasting has come back now with a lot of things and it was mostly a joke 10:36 Ahh 10:37 I thought you meant more accurate rays 10:37 Like a wand crossing multiple tiles but not in the 8 "normal" directions. 10:37 jonadab: However, ais523 is on board with making candle stacking quadratic instead of exponential 10:38 I am on board with that only to the extent that I don't think it would create any noteworthy problems. 10:38 <{Demo}> don't they stack log7? 10:38 I don't think it's an important change to make. 10:38 <{Demo}> or something wild 10:38 <{Demo}> hey bubbles, directional lighting 10:38 <{Demo}> imagine that 10:39 well, as it is I'd very rarely consider lighting more than one candle at a time except with the Candelabrum. 10:39 {Demo}: Wait, NetHack needs a physics engine that can properly simulate polarized light, and that thing that happens when you add a third filter at a 45-degree angle. 10:40 {Demo}: well, sqrt/quadratic, and log/exponential, whatever 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2849 10:41 <{Demo}> can we get colored light also? 10:56 oh thank you quantum mechanic for saving my life just now 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1688 points, T:3990, killed by a gray unicorn 10:57 posse of elf lords trying to kill me and I was out of Pw 10:59 love it when a dust vortex drops you off in front of a killer unicorn 10:59 didn't even get a move 11:02 {Demo} directional yes 11:02 <{Demo}> colored, directional light 11:02 How would colour work though? 11:03 The glyphs are abstract representations 11:03 To a very large degree 11:03 <{Demo}> gee that jackal sure looks red in this lighting 11:03 <{Demo}> yeah true 11:03 It's a struggle, I wanted to do multi-tile monsters 11:04 But then the tiles aren't actually monsters they just have a label that tells you what monster is there 11:04 <{Demo}> ah 11:04 Which is why I'm going to focus on save/load and roles/combat 11:04 Before more dungeon mechanics 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:525 11:04 <{Demo}> what does the save system look like? 11:04 I 100% want moving entities though, swinging blade traps, moving platforms 11:05 Structured file, not memory dump 11:05 <{Demo}> good 11:05 Same order as loading shoul dbe 11:05 <{Demo}> make sure the structure isn't dumb 11:05 Every d7 elements there is a gap 11:05 :hmm: 11:07 <{Demo}> how hard would it be to make a nethack save file that lead to arbitrary code execution? 11:08 Depends what you allow in it 11:08 <{Demo}> vanilla 11:08 Not sure, honestly. 11:08 I am not sure if embedding some scripting language in level files is a terrible idea or not 11:09 <{Demo}> level files might not be the best solution 11:10 The current level files are already "scriptable" to some degree 11:10 there are probably lots of edge cases in the loading of a save file that could lead to arbitrary code execution. I don't think you even need to resort to level files 11:10 So formalising that 11:10 <{Demo}> bhaak that thought is unrelated 11:10 bhaak sorry I context switched entirely 11:10 bhaak I meant entirely independently adding scripting to level files 11:10 like calling out to another script interpreter? 11:11 Embedding a script interpreter in the game binary 11:11 or just like adding a, let's say lua interpreter to the game? 11:11 <{Demo}> I'm still confused why no one has built a UI for building vanilla levels 11:11 That can execute the scripts in the level files 11:12 {Demo} I started and got distracted! 11:12 {Demo} I should probably do it in "website", cross-platform is really annoying 11:12 <{Demo}> yeah if you do it in anything but a website, wtf 11:12 {Demo}: one of the 2 level DSLs is quite visual already. 11:12 bhaak yeah interpreter to the game 11:13 <{Demo}> what's that bhaak 11:13 bubbles_nhww: given how the level compiler developped, this would be the next sensible step. no longer needing the compiler but always load the files on the fly. 11:13 <{Demo}> I have this weird idea for a nethack community code free modding platform 11:14 bhaak aye, exactly 11:14 {Demo} that would be a product of allowing scripting in the levels 11:15 If you could script an entire branch it would be pretty amazing 11:15 Wouldn't be able to add new monsters/objects, but special rules should be doable 11:15 Depending on how much of the game internals are exposed via a script API 11:15 {Demo}: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/dat/knox.des#L6 11:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:16 {Demo}: that's already quite visual. probably nobody so far bothered with an ASCII editor for levels, although the Dudley comic is somewhat related conceptually 11:17 I think {Demo} wants to be able to "draw" the barracks area 11:17 For example, the explicit coords 11:17 <{Demo}> I want a webui 11:18 {Demo} agreed 11:18 <{Demo}> for nethack modifications 11:18 <{Demo}> and then I want to open that up as a platform 11:18 bubbles_nhww: Angband has moddable monsters/objects. but given how special cased monsters in nethack are, being able to do that would not be as useful as one would like it to be. 11:18 <{Demo}> where people can host their modifications 11:18 bhaak agreed, wouldn't aim for that 11:18 {Demo}: Pretty sure they have web UI for editing code these days. It's terrible, but it exists. 11:18 <{Demo}> no code editing 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 272609 points, T:30152, killed by a black pudding 11:18 <{Demo}> no code allowed 11:19 yeah, I often could have used a 'give me the coordinates' of that position. 11:19 .des files count as code, IMO 11:19 <{Demo}> only a ui for modifying certain files in limited ways 11:19 <{Demo}> they see no des, they see an abstraction of it 11:19 .des files are code 11:19 <{Demo}> and they modify it through abstractions 11:19 {Demo} sure, but what about the if 50% directives, for example? 11:19 <{Demo}> and that generates a des 11:19 <{Demo}> add item to level button 11:20 <{Demo}> you have some options, one of them is to set a percent chance of the item 11:20 I agree a visual editor that abstracts that away is good 11:20 I actually kind of want to make a UI for editing .des files 11:20 Andrio we all do \o/ 11:20 mm 11:20 Where is the hero memory actually stored? 11:20 The level 1bit for it 11:21 <{Demo}> I want a whole platform for codeless nethack variants 11:21 <{Demo}> but it also facilities sharing 11:21 bubbles_nhww: You don't wanna know. 11:21 <{Demo}> so you can publish mods and if you want to work someone else's into your own, you just click on it 11:21 jonadab is it just the level stored glyph? 11:21 {Demo} I think without code they would "just" be levels though? 11:22 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22 e.g. https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dnethack/blob/415cd469cf1342f5f46a28ac5f47ea08c72d8095/dnethack-3.4.3/src/mkmaze.c#L2041 ? 11:22 bubbles_nhww: No, at least it isn't there. 11:22 Ooh bubbles died 11:22 Actually, I think I only even know the answer for Nitro-derived variants. 11:22 heheh 11:22 Memory remembers terrain and objects only right? 11:22 And technically only remembers the top item of a stack 11:23 It only remembers the glyph, I believe. 11:23 Ahh 11:23 So you can't farlook for your lost candelabrae :-( 11:23 So if there's an object, I think it doesn't know the terrain. 11:23 Or, rather, doesn't know if you remember the terrain as different from what it actually is. 11:23 Ok that's pretty simple to implement then, can make it different later if it is useful 11:24 IIRC, the code assumes that if you remember the tile, you know certain things, even though technically they can have changed. 11:24 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 11:25 I know for certain that hilight_object_piles and friends assume that. 11:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed AntiVirus' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8750 11:25 damn you and sting, antivirus 11:25 i'll take the 3 magic lamps i suppose 11:26 are they magic? 11:27 argh.. i'm so stupid. i just uncursed entire stack of water thinking i was blessing with my only holy water 11:27 :x 11:27 was going to wish for eye and gtfo of there 11:29 wohoo, WoW dropped by a mimic in a large armor shop :d 11:29 hah! 11:29 \o/ 11:29 that's awesome! 11:29 niiice 11:29 I'll take that as an opportunity to make a break :p My hands are shaky. lol 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:9114 11:30 now do i try for dragonbane despite 2 artifacts (sting grumble grumlbe) 11:32 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:32 i gues he only had 1 magic lamp anyway 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Wiz Mal), 50 points, T:67, leprechaun 11:33 heck yeah go for it 11:33 and wish for +5 11:34 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:34 i should have wished for it... 11:35 although i really wanted eye. but the other 2 lamps were oil i guess. i forgot i had gotten zombie'd and lamps were just lamps 11:35 i will try for it if i get another wish before another artifact... 2/3 chance is worth it 11:36 <{Demo}> how to prepare for tnnt? 11:36 drink 11:36 heavily 11:36 he was getting reflection for something... i suppose i can look at the dumlog 11:36 k2: haha drink 11:36 :) 11:36 <{Demo}> wait nvm I already figured out how to 11:36 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:36 i haven't even played the beta. will i be ok ? 11:36 yeah 11:36 <{Demo}> but it would be against the rules I think 11:36 its vanilla with a couple extra side quests 11:36 <{Demo}> cause it's technically sort of botting 11:36 and a LOT of achievements and conducts 11:37 <{Demo}> so I didn't do it 11:37 <{Demo}> also I was lazy 11:37 cool. so like an improved version of last year? 11:37 {Demo} yeah dont bot tnnt 11:37 rebatela si 11:37 <{Demo}> it was more startscum botting 11:37 <{Demo}> but with templates that match achieves 11:37 <{Demo}> so u can just start ur achieve definition pipeline and then go to sleep 11:38 <{Demo}> so it'll follow that definition(key inputs and conditions to check for) until it is done and then move onto the next 11:39 <{Demo}> the definitions, in this great hypothetical idea can be composed of other definitions 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22765 11:39 <{Demo}> (most definitions would start with a definition that puts them into a wish prompt) 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50723 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50724 11:40 <{Demo}> actually this system is bad 11:40 <{Demo}> because if you do it as a pipeline like that you could throw away a situation that would be really useful in the next item in the pipeline and hard to get, but useless in the current 11:41 <{Demo}> idk, it would be cool to build an advanced start scumming framework one day 11:42 oh wow... in minetown i'm in small general store with gnome shopkeep and a couple zombies stroll in... I decide to let them fight 11:42 the shopkeeper aroze as Kabalebo the gnome zombie and then a watchman killed him and i got his loot ! 11:43 ettin zombies are no joke 11:44 <{Demo}> wow 11:44 but dammit now i can't price id 11:44 <{Demo}> sounds horrific 11:45 hah 11:45 love that dynamic 11:46 <{Demo}> sounds like a Halloween special 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2325 points, T:3585, killed by a dwarf 11:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10068 11:53 yani: putting oil in the magic lantern should kill the genie for purposes of genocide and lists of killed monsters 11:53 or magic lamp, whatever 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class P, on T:52219 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class c, on T:52220 11:56 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 11:56 <{Demo}> I have a great idea 11:57 <{Demo}> actually nevermind 11:57 does the idea involve shoes? 11:58 <{Demo}> no its even stupider 12:00 does it involve yak traks 12:00 LarienTelrunya: ^ 12:01 ? never heard of that, is that the track that a yak makes in the snow/mud? 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10773 12:01 no markers 12:02 oh well.. no enchant armor scrolls anyway. who cares 12:02 LarienTelrunya: they're rubber gear that goes over the sole of your shoe and has little metal nubs along the bottom for walking on ice 12:02 (not spikes. those are micro spikes, which are the same but more hardcore) 12:03 ah, do the spikes feel wonderful if a woman steps on one's fingers with them? ♄ 12:03 they probably feel like broken fingers 12:03 so no 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6033 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:23712 12:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 speed boots", on T:23716 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:23722 12:06 i can still put a bunch of scrolls in a sack and throw them into say, an armor shop right? 12:07 price id/steal back with pet? i tried that once with potions... 12:07 -!- Cevn__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:07 buy price id only 12:07 don't see why not 12:07 but yes 12:07 yah don't do it with potions or glass :P 12:08 if you only want to id the scroll of identify, just throw in your one most common scroll 12:08 yes i learned my lesson that time ;) 12:08 yeah.. i have id id'd 12:08 i try not to use id scrolls 12:09 i like having blank paper to polypile and id scrolls are a great source of paper (this game still has the spell....) 12:09 but i do need to figure out the $80 scrolls 12:09 gah, I hope that that left bones 12:09 (but that won't have all my really good spellbooks, because they're in a chest on level 2) 12:09 that sucks raisse 12:10 it wasn't in sight when I started reading but it was a very hard book (turned out to be create familiar) and it paralysed me for a while 12:11 80 is weapon! 12:11 Or unlabled 12:11 No? 12:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:19309 12:11 80 base price i meant 12:11 Unless your charisma is poop or amazing 12:11 or someone changed the prices 12:12 80 is remove curse or enchant armor, enchant weapon is 60 12:12 i convert to base price and figure out the scrolls in my head 12:12 but with markup they can all be 80 or 107, and the 80 scrolls even 142 12:12 yes, they would be selling enchant weapon at 80 if you have 8-10 cha, but i don't think about it that way 12:13 especially since in eh, it's all crazy depending on the race of the shopkeep 12:13 Ah I always go with cha10 12:13 eh is evil :( 12:13 mindflayers ask thousands of dollars for scrolls 12:13 cha10 80, 106 is remove curse/fire/enchant armor? 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:5149 12:13 Can't remember 12:13 raisee kjust explained it pretty well 12:14 you need to know whether the shopkeep is taxing you or not too 12:14 evilhack should also just add a layer of base price fuzzing 12:14 it's easier to figure out what they are BUYING stuff for (how badly they are ripping you off) 12:15 for example, i will try to sell a healing potion and if they offer me 25 for it... then I try to sell something and they offer 50, obviously it's 200 12:15 spellbooks that you know the level of are good to use 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41304 12:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16 i don't feel like dealing with big room... so nice having the eye at least... i can dig down, go back up. jet if i have to. no getting stuck 12:17 still don't have a blinding tool or unihorn. ugh 12:17 ha soon as i said that i killed a uni 12:17 <@Umby> gj 12:18 <@Umby> and hello people 12:19 speaking of mindflayer shops.. here we go lol. scared me for a sec 12:22 scroll of identify 270 dollars 12:22 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:4871 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:24246 12:23 and one scroll for 800 and same type for 1070, so that's gotta be EW 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4215 points, T:6586, killed by a troll 12:25 un be lievable 12:26 500 turns on one troll 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 310 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41999 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 50 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48123 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:12804 12:33 what can I say, I'm a cheapskate 12:33 fun fun 12:33 also rip in pieces, rebatela's bag 12:33 devteam should really tweak those bribe prices 12:34 where can I upload a ttyrecord to? 12:34 fortunately the player monster i just killed had another boh 12:34 but i lost all my holy water etc. fuck 12:34 bubbles_nh where was the ttyrec made? your local machine or on hardfought? 12:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:20841 12:35 Local machine 12:35 compress it and email it to admin@hardfought.org i can link it 12:36 Ah it's not that important it was just testing the vision stuff I'm implementing but many thanks!!! 12:36 o/ 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 162 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43022 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 984 points, T:2339, killed by a dwarf 12:42 <{Demo}> bubbles just upload it to 0x0.st or something similar 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 647 points, T:2720, killed by a giant bat 12:44 i bet i own the evil hack record for bohs expldoed 12:44 exploded* 12:44 * rebatela bows 12:44 the magicbane one at the castle deep into the game kinda pissed me off.. this one was my own dumb fault 12:48 -!- Cevn_ has joined #hardfought 12:49 now i just need a bones level with hundreds of potions and no artifacts 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 626 points, T:878, killed by a hobbit 12:51 I don't know how to play 12:52 https://asciinema.org/a/sOhkqaxVrlrOz0Bf6O8pcU70l 12:52 The colours are all broken 12:52 But! 12:53 <@Umby> something something "pinball wizard quip" 12:53 The two-level lighting is in effect 12:53 ACtually that entire recording is pretty broken :-\ 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:13018 12:54 d'oh 12:54 ok time to quit 12:54 aw 12:57 <{Demo}> looks neat 12:58 asciinema killed the glyphs 12:59 stenno: i'm just kidding. i have 2 tamed warhorses, magic resistance. decent ac for not wearing body armor and not finding EA scroll.. I just have no potions. I don't care so much about the weaponless conduct 12:59 alright, fair 12:59 but i found like 15 potions of water in antivirus's bones... KABOOM! 12:59 still better than losing everything like in vanilla 12:59 I need more colours 13:00 drop some acid 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:25696 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25703 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7329 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1488 points, T:3082, killed by a death ray 13:00 no bisection this time 13:01 ouch 13:01 early death wand 13:01 !lastgame cadaver 13:01 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/cadaver/nethack/dumplog/1572533695.nh.html 13:01 jonathanhanes: No last game for cadaver. 13:01 oh it was his own death wand too 13:03 !ping 13:03 jonathanhanes: Pong! 13:03 jonathanhanes: Pong! 13:03 croesusbot what are you doing here? >.> 13:03 "drop some acid" 13:04 that's the best advice I've ever seen you give on here k2 13:04 * jonathanhanes quaffs a potion of hallucination 13:05 <@Umby> Using a death ray on a ghost 13:05 Croesus will feed death/asc messages as well as trophy/achievement messages here and in #nethack 13:05 <@Umby> Wew lad 13:05 no livelogs tho, thats all in #tnnt 13:05 <@Umby> On top of it bouncing and hitting him 13:05 #tnnt gets it all 13:06 omg cadaver... 13:06 oh sweet the npc boh was pre-blessed 13:06 stupid sexy #tnnt 13:07 7 hours until start eh 13:07 OMG 13:07 i mean i _do_ have vacation day tomorrow 13:07 \o/ 13:08 I'm actually taking tomorrow off to hack more 13:08 and because I want a day off 13:08 sweet 13:08 And my kids have some little award ceremony at their school 13:08 tomorrow is my wedding anniversary so i actually wont be around much a good part of nov 1st or 2nd 13:08 but the real reason is nethack ;) 13:09 but i will be here for the first few hours of go time 13:12 planning on ascending this evil game just as the tournament begins 13:12 minor set back with the ol' bag, but we'll be ok 13:13 at least i've id'd the cancel wand ! 13:14 rebatela: so it'll be at least another month until you finally play slex? 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2070 13:15 man, antivirus has a great config https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AntiVirus/evilhack/AntiVirus.evilrc 13:16 <@luxidream> like many great configs, it was probably stolen from someone else 13:16 <@luxidream> I know I did :p 13:16 anyone remember stth's 3.4.3-NAO rcfile? 13:16 that thing was a book 13:16 yeah 13:17 never seen that one =) 13:18 ...if you're playing a 3.6.1+ or a variant based on that, you could use CHOOSE=xxx and [sections] 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2000 13:18 ... in the config file 13:18 can i disable those sections in the Options menu? 13:18 s/disable/toggle/ 13:19 if you say 'yes' i am going mad 13:19 uh, what? the config file is obviously read and processed way before you ever get in the game. 13:19 yes, but in the Options menu, you can toggle options... 13:20 i wondered if you can toggle option sections 13:20 or maybe thats not what i think it is 13:20 YASI: option "threepointsix", which defaults to on (annoyingly) and controls whether you're playing 3.6 or 3.4.3. 13:20 [sections]? 13:20 oh, its not what i thought it was - never mind 13:21 or is it 13:21 larientelrunya: i'll get there :) 13:21 wait it is! 13:22 david's treasure zoo!! with a whopping 133 zkm!! 13:22 paxed: like, in the lategame my autopickup exceptions would change - at some point, i don't really care about certain wands and jewelry anymore 13:22 paxed: so i would open the Options menu and change to my 'lategame' config section 13:22 when i am at the votd oslt 13:23 similarly i like having showexp until XL14 13:23 not gonna happen any time soon, if ever 13:23 pity 13:23 <@luxidream> F 13:24 i really hope this dungeon has an altar/temple/store 13:24 <@luxidream> I would also like this 13:24 and maybe a towel 13:24 does CHOOSE work on other's rc files? 13:25 or it only references blocks of stuff to turn on and off in your own rc file 13:26 * paxed points towards the Guidebook 13:26 rtfg 13:26 aint nobody got time for that 13:27 referencing someone else's config file would be really cool 13:27 <{Demo}> I keep secrets in my config file 13:27 how is that even supposed to work 13:27 <{Demo}> please don't look there 13:28 broke: using github for dotfiles woke: using nethackrc for dotfiles 13:31 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:31 thinking about writing some integration for my dgl "client" to manage configs better 13:35 might be impossible honestly 13:35 in a dgl-installation-portable way anyway 13:37 are you re-implementing dgl? 13:38 <{Demo}> dgl sucks rewrite it in rust 13:38 <{Demo}> (joke) 13:38 no, i just have a basic tool to manage dgl accounts and connect to them. been meaning to add some extra features, such as managing configs 13:39 <{Demo}> can we get a dockerfile for dgl setup? 13:39 ok and you want to be agnostic to the server, right? 13:39 https://github.com/winny-/ssh-hack 13:39 <{Demo}> including the ssh and user part 13:39 yeah, it might be tricky because my understanding is DGL menus only follow conventions, not really any sort of agreed format/layout 13:39 {Demo}: that would be a dockerfile with just a ssh call ? 13:39 what kind of language is that 13:40 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 13:40 <{Demo}> no for server setup 13:40 i have to think of ruby 13:40 when i hear 'racket' 13:40 it's a scheme derivative 13:40 what isn't :P 13:40 gotcha 13:40 lol 13:40 <{Demo}> so like clone dgl, configure and compile it, set up pam.d and the user and sshd 13:40 i think there is a dgl Dockerfile floating around 13:40 <{Demo}> where 13:40 it only has an old version of nethack set up 13:41 <{Demo}> yeah that's fine 13:41 not sure if i can find it promptly 13:41 <{Demo}> I found an image once 13:41 <{Demo}> but no dockerfile 13:41 docker search dgamelaunch 13:41 also try searching for nethack 13:41 i think most images on docker hub have a github repo linked somewhere 13:42 <{Demo}> oh wow this isn't hard to find at all 13:42 <{Demo}> oh it's using telnet, :( 13:42 tbh this could be a fun project ;) 13:43 <{Demo}> I like that it's debian image though 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 978 points, T:3836, killed by a hill orc 13:43 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:43 <{Demo}> I might adopt this, maybe 13:43 i think most dgamelaunch instances are very manual in nature to deploy and configure and update 13:43 but it would be rewarding 13:44 * winny wonders how hard it would be to package dgamelaunch, nethack, and other games specifically for use with dgamelaunch 13:46 <{Demo}> I need it for a ctf challenge 13:46 presumably there is a mechanism in DGL (or maybe k2 added this?) to also manage versions that correspond to old savefiles for a given game category 13:46 nice! i'd ctf that too :^) 13:46 oh dont look at me 13:47 <@Umby> K2: 👀 13:47 i didnt change dgl :) 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 454 points, T:1040, killed by an invisible gnome, while praying 13:52 MonkaS 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 256 points, T:512, killed by a coyote 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1398 points, T:2398, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 13:56 NOOOO 13:56 wilson!! 13:56 bwhahaha i'm sorry wilson!! 13:56 * K2 reaches out 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:26399 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Sam Mal), 540 points, T:796, homunculus 13:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO_MYX_Oto0 13:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:57 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] klintos (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1121 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 351 points, T:1086, killed by an invisible wererat 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Kni Mal), 102 points, T:72, imp 14:01 @K2 my daughter actually started crying during that scene 14:01 yeah its a tear jerker 14:01 a movie that gets you emotionally attached to a volleyball. 14:01 amazing. 14:02 its not just any volleyball... its wilson 14:02 indeed 14:02 :) 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 407 points, T:364, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 14:06 20k turns and no enchant armor, per usual... has that changed since vanilla k2? I'll find 20 enchant weapon scrolls before i find EA 14:06 no 14:06 its just dumb luck 14:07 i'm lucky anddumb too! 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a fox corpse on an altar of Shan Lai Ching, on T:4252 14:07 it's just that i play a lot... luck should make it that i have games where i find lots of them. 14:07 Vapmire rogue, runed candle in my first room, what to wish for? 14:07 {Demo}: ? 14:08 (dnh obvs) 14:08 not necessarily 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4802 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:26611 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 275 points, T:814, killed by a gnome lord 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:26841 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:26884 14:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12862 14:15 oh ffs I did #quit instead of quaff again;_; 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:26975 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 82 points, T:295, killed by a water demon 14:16 fountain quaffer fountain quaffer 14:16 rebatela, from vanilla src/objects.c 14:16 SCROLL("enchant armor", "ZELGO MER", 1, 63, 80), 14:16 ^ 63 being the probabliltyof it spawning 14:16 % 14:16 from evilhack src/objects.c 14:16 SCROLL("enchant armor", "ZELGO MER", 1, 63, 80), 14:17 see the difference? 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 85 points, T:205, killed by a water demon, while sleeping 14:17 ... 14:17 what the cuss 14:17 :D 14:17 <{Demo}> slow digestion lol 14:19 way too late {Demo} 14:19 but ok will keep in mind! 14:19 <{Demo}> it was kind of a joke 14:19 About XL10 is when I care less about slow dig? 14:19 <{Demo}> but I'd consider doing it 14:19 I see! 14:19 <{Demo}> I can't remember 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:21864 14:19 <{Demo}> I'm so bad at vamp hunger 14:21 k2: yes, I was convinced you were lying! thanks for the code 14:21 doesn't change the fact that i've found echant armor like 10 times in the 100s of games i've played 14:22 * K2 shrugs 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27294 14:22 <@luxidream> unlikely things happen in nethack 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27297 14:22 very true 14:22 <@luxidream> Unless you are playing averagehack where only id scrolls spawn and there are no wands of wishing 14:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law), 54703 points, T:13258, killed by a death ray 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 984 points, T:664, killed by a dwarf 14:24 <@Tone> Surely there's one wand of wishing? 14:24 i have like 12 cursed rings of hunger and aggravate monster though. so i supposed it all evens out 14:24 <@luxidream> oh right 14:25 <@luxidream> huh, all rings are equal probability 14:26 <@luxidream> The average potion is water though 14:26 <@luxidream> averagehack would be pretty boring 14:27 <@Umby> That's the point methinks 14:27 <@Umby> :B 14:27 <@Tone> No poison instadeath though, so that's something 14:28 <@luxidream> you always take and deal average damage 14:28 <@luxidream> so no high rolls 14:28 <@luxidream> all armor and weapons are uncursed +0 14:29 k2: so i branchported to sokoban, and it put me in one of the closets i never went in 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:27690 14:30 cool 14:30 i can dig down... but is that supposed to happen? I'd be stuck if i couldn't dig 14:30 no you wouldnt be stuck 14:30 could just branchport out again 14:30 right 14:31 i didnt purposely set it so if you branchport to sokoban, go to one of the prize closets 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 947 points, T:988, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by a potion 14:32 but in regular nethack the soko closets you just open the door 14:32 cool 14:32 but you branchported in, you can branchport back out - i find this sufficiently evil 14:32 carry on 14:32 you can dig down too 14:32 yeah 14:32 i'll carry on by not pointing out what appears to be unintended behavior in the future 14:33 oh 'if i couldn't dig', sorry 14:33 <@Tone> Are the prizes still there? 14:33 i wasn't complaining 14:33 but if no digging tools you'd have to wait for the timer on the ye to count down so you could use it again 14:33 rebatela i didnt say you were 14:34 if i thought you were complaining i'd say something like 'hey rebatela why are you complaining' 14:34 <@luxidream> un logic, they disappear 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 127 points, T:365, killed by a kobold 14:35 <@luxidream> there’s no way to game the system either as far as I can tell 14:35 @Tone no, once you pick up one soko prize in evilhack, the other 2 go poof 14:35 <@Tone> Ah. So no filling the floor with monsters then porting in 14:36 there may still be a way to try and obtain more than one prize 14:36 good luck 14:36 if you discover a way i'd love to see it 14:37 <@Tone> Can you have multiple tame xorns pick up the prizes on the same turn? 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 206 points, T:363, killed by a brown mold 14:37 a monster can touch it sure 14:37 but you cant phase in to the soko closets 14:37 <@luxidream> Tone I don’t think pets pick up the items 14:38 they arent supposed to 14:38 i still see it happen tho 14:38 but it doesnt matter 14:38 <@Tone> Ah 14:38 <@Tone> Maybe fill the level with monsters then teleport pets into those rooms 14:38 wont matter 14:39 all 3 prizes could be picked up and moved around by monsters. the second you touch one, the other two poof gone 14:39 <@Tone> Ah, I see 14:40 theres even sound effects 14:40 and pretty sparkles 14:40 and cake 14:40 ugh... why cant i find this 14:41 <@Tone> Hmm there's more stuff I'd try to exploit but I'm sure most or all of them are considered already 14:41 <@luxidream> bhaak made it 14:41 where exactly in the code is the function turning a runed dagger/broadsword into sting/orcrist 14:41 where where 14:41 @luxidream evilhacks soko end is actually a mash of unnethack and grunthack sokoban 14:42 K2: make it so that you ALWAYS port into soko 14:42 into the closets 14:42 mwaha 14:42 <@luxidream> I forgot what grunt sokoban is 14:42 hah 14:42 <@luxidream> It’s been at least a year 14:42 the doors disappear too 14:42 K2: oname(obj, "Sting") 14:43 ^ thx 14:43 i kept searching for ART_STING no wonder 14:43 damn you grep! supposed to be smarter than meeeee 14:44 {Demo}: orcs should start small and end up huge in dnh 14:45 <@Umby> So like Warhammer then 14:46 axactly like warhammer 14:46 in dnh they start super weak but end up strong by the end 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28965 14:55 <{Demo}> that would be funny 15:01 @luxidream don't blame me for the moving around stuff. I'm not that evil. 15:01 <@luxidream> ? 15:01 <@luxidream> No blame 15:01 <@luxidream> I meant the sokoban where you get to pick a prize 15:02 yes. in unnethack, monsters can't move the prizes 15:03 I just want to clarify that I didn't make a sokoban with 3 prizes where monsters pick the prizes for you. the latter part is completely K2 evilness 15:03 lies 15:04 food fight! 15:04 So the three prizes are, what, amulet of reflection, bag of holding, and food ration? 15:04 sounds like evilhack 15:06 jonadab not quite 15:06 each closet has a prize 15:07 in each its 50/50 one or the other: amulet of reflection or magic resistance (new item), bag of holding or magic marker, helm of speed or gauntlets of protection (both new items) 15:08 you can view via potion of object detection or detect treasure which closet to access, but you'll never know the true identity of the object until you actually pick it up 15:08 it'll just show as 'sokoban prize ' 15:08 and they'll all bright green (fleecy) 15:08 schroedinger's prizes 15:08 <@luxidream> Gauntlets of protection? 15:08 yeah 15:09 for giant monks 15:09 K2: you're doing that on purpose! :D 15:09 so giants cant wear cloaks/shirts/body armor, centaurs cant wear boots 15:09 and i need to cater to all races 15:09 LarienTelrunya wut? 15:09 <@luxidream> oh they give mc3 15:09 ME? 15:09 <@luxidream> ? 15:09 (fleecy) 15:09 @luxidream yeah they fleecy do 15:10 lol 15:10 what? 15:10 this is a fleecy serious conversation 15:11 why the fleecy would you laugh about soko prizes amy? 15:11 oh by the way, my windows XP PC seems to have died, it crashed a couple of times with fleecy colors (yes, go figure, fleecy colors can indicate something negative) and now it doesn't want to start at all anymore 15:11 sad face 15:11 that sucks 15:12 somewhere some botnet is sad right now 15:12 when i used to play quake/quake2 all the time, i remember my rig breaking down a couple days before our clans first match for the season (OGL) 15:12 so pissed 15:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Merlek (Nob Hum Mal Cha), 4723 points, T:2498, killed by a gnome 15:16 K2: ugh that sounds horrible 15:17 hmmm 15:17 how shall i go kill that sucker 15:17 I've been trying all day to get this PC to start up again but... either it doesn't start at all, or it quickly gets those bugged fleecy colors again and crashes 15:19 wonder if we ever crossed paths playing quake 2 back in the day k2 :P 15:19 maybe :) 15:20 i used to play with clan tejaz, texas based 15:20 we always played on the QSA quake2 server 15:20 q2ctf 15:20 'quake sanitation authority' 15:21 this was like late 1990's early 2000 15:25 can demogorgon shred artifacts? 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3025 points, T:5287, killed by a white unicorn 15:43 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:44 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 15:48 <@Umby> tfw you find a wand of enlightenment and it confirms you have a luckstone 15:48 <@Umby> :GWtoshFeelsWowMan: 15:49 tips on killing DNH demogorgon? 15:49 dont 15:49 just run 15:49 run pork 15:49 RUN 15:49 !who 15:49 bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] klintos [nh363] oh6 [nh363] Bartlem [nh363] samiam [nh363] porkman [ndnh] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] GagarinX [nh363] Vis [nh363] mosen [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:49 bubbles_nh: [EU] No current players | [US] No current players | [AU] No current players 15:50 seriously... i dont know. its doable, not sure how much more difficult dnh demo is vs vanilla 15:50 he's insane 15:50 shreds your armor 15:50 vanilla is like 15:50 an acid blob 15:50 compared to dnh demo 15:50 vanilla demogorgon is a wimp 15:50 hah 15:50 No, a newt 15:50 A lichen 15:51 <{Demo}> a yellow mold 15:51 yeah but in dnh the player can obtain all this crazy gear and super low AC and artifact weapons out the wazoo 15:51 K2 I had a level 30 binder fully kitted out, had absolutely smashed asmo (who is possibly the next worst enemy ish) 15:51 -!- Yratt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:51 I woudl say lamashtu > asmo 15:51 K2 and he killed me in 6 turns, in which I got to act once. 15:51 Porkmantwo: probs 15:51 owie 15:51 K2: nah AC is not insane 15:51 You can't get much less than -20ish? 15:52 wut 15:52 Chris_ANG: did a weird thing with the armor so half the points go to DR, half to AC 15:52 AC is only for to-hit, DR is damage reduction 15:52 you can't unblind yourself or you get hit with stun, amnesia, and level drain 15:52 But basically armor is halved 15:52 Porkmantwo: I wasn't blind :' 15:52 Porkmantwo: Not sure how he woke up actually 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:30572 15:52 but then he always stays at a knight's move 15:53 Solution: polearms! 15:53 K2 I think I might add an "evil" flag to bubblehack, which does stuff like "doesn't guarantee a path between all rooms" "water blocking mines" etc. 15:53 :) 15:54 evilmode 15:54 And also, everyone's favourite feature, Z ill 15:54 ill can be worked aroudn with green dragonscales 15:55 I think there's a bunch of rules which i should be able to toggle dynamically 15:55 i made gold dragon scales confer sick res in evilhack 15:55 Porkmantwo: a level 1 Z can give you ill 15:56 Though K2 i might make it not quite as fatal, I think I'll add zombie as a status, which would halve your speed and only allow you to eat fresh meat 15:56 So you can still kinda stumble on, but waaay harder 15:56 0 regeneration, etc 15:56 cool 15:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Swn Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:26178 15:58 swear to god if malor ascends dnh again I'm going to cry (with joy, and sadness) 15:58 -!- Hratt has joined #hardfought 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:2099 16:01 heh 16:01 bubbles' love/hate relationship with @malor 16:01 -!- Hratt_ has joined #hardfought 16:01 <@malor> thanks K2, I would have missed that commentary otherwise 🙂 16:01 :P 16:02 @malor you gonna give TNNT a spin? 16:02 <@malor> No one asked me to be on their team. 16:02 you can play as an individual if you want 16:02 <@malor> Bubbles, I just run the EASY role-race combos. That's the key! 16:04 -!- Hratt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:04 <@malor> Bubbles, I'm done for today - trick or treating time 🙂 16:06 <{Demo}> damn its hot 16:06 <{Demo}> its supposed to be halloween, not hotoween 16:06 no kidding 16:06 i'm burning up 16:06 <{Demo}> its so humid here 16:06 temp actually went up when this rain showed up 16:07 <{Demo}> its supposed to get cold all of a sudden and storm HARD 16:07 it is cold here 16:09 <@malor> This is my first game playing dnh monk where I didn’t get an early wish. Man is it a different game without “premium heart”! I have to really stick and move and I haven’t been able to solve any of the branches. I did Fort Ludious since it is easier but I can’t quite hit the castle yet. 16:09 this is a pickle 16:10 <{Demo}> play ndnh monk 16:10 <{Demo}> they are a lot more forgiving with not having prem heart 16:10 <{Demo}> cause they have mystic styles that can supplement that dmg 16:11 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 16:11 !time 16:11 K2: Thu Oct 31 16:11:18 2019 EDT 16:11 K2: 2019-10-31 20:11:18 UTC. 2019 Tournament begins in 0d 03:48:41 16:11 errmahgerd less than 4 hrs 16:12 ooooahsdkljasd 16:12 get hype 16:12 Yeah malor monk does so little damage without PH :-\ 16:14 Oh sorry malor do you only see @malor 16:14 he left for tricks 16:17 great, he also resists lightning ball and cone of cold 16:18 -!- GhostOfTariru has joined #hardfought 16:18 -!- Cevn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:18 Boo! I will be haunting nethack games 16:18 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:43785 16:19 <@Umby> GJ Porky! 16:19 Hi 16:19 Hello Porkmantwo, Welcome to #hardfought 16:19 Spooky 16:20 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed Aldinach, on T:43797 16:21 Hello tariru :) 16:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:24 nooo its a ghost! 16:24 aaaahhhh 16:24 <@IceBox> kick 'em! 16:25 gratz porkmantwo! 16:25 you cant kick a ghost 16:26 I mean, you can 16:26 foot goes right through 16:26 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3499 16:26 If you play a game on hardfought tonight, you might get a spooky message from me! 16:26 errmahgerd the horror 16:26 :P 16:27 <@IceBox> foot goes through IRL, but in nethack it's ghost kryptonite 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a wooden double-headed axe entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:2285 16:27 wooden 16:27 lmao 16:28 there are advantages :P 16:31 well it doesn't conduct electricity (well) so there's that 16:31 does it give the user splinters when they swing it without gloves? 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1993 points, T:2366, killed by an orcish arrow 16:34 no... maybe it should... 16:34 :D 16:34 ok headed out, see you all before tournament go time 16:35 What is a "mithril runed curved sword", is that just an elf scimitar? 16:37 gauntlets of dex not power?? 16:37 *disgusted face* 16:38 <@IceBox> when you absolutely positively have to add an additional +4 to your to-hit 16:40 <@IceBox> i dont know enough about the to-hit calculation, but at level 15 with max luck and presumably at least skilled in your weapon aren't you at like +20 to-hit? 16:40 <@IceBox> and dont gauntlets of power ALSO add to your to-hit? 16:41 -!- Cevn_ has joined #hardfought 16:41 yes 16:42 vis, I know you can't hear me 16:42 but use your camera 16:42 Is there any way to name an item inside a container? 16:42 hratt I don't think so 16:42 but you can tip the container 16:42 and name it on the floor 16:43 Nrld: Using body armour is -20 to hit, so that just evens out. (For Monks) 16:43 <@Umby> Yeah, if you think it's a loadstone, try picking up the container with just that stone inside 16:43 oh neat didn't know that was a thing 16:43 <@Umby> See if it weighs you down 16:43 assuming the variant you're playing has the tip command 16:43 does #tipping break potions? 16:43 no id doesn't 16:43 it* 16:43 good 16:43 Yeah it's definitely a loadstone wanted to get it called 16:43 <@Umby> Alternately, #tip the container once you take out other stuff, then try to kick the stone 16:43 kicking potions surely shatters the IMO 16:43 <@Umby> Ah 16:43 so does dropping them while levitating :) 16:44 wait it's not I'm dumb D: 16:45 stone boxes weigh a ton 16:45 <@Umby> LUL 16:45 <@Umby> Yeah, that's a pretty important detail lmfao 16:45 <@Umby> Is also why kicking the stone to be sure helps 16:47 <@IceBox> i thought tipping would break a potion, like putting holy water in a container for tipping when you get cursed wielding a 2 handed weapon 16:49 jonathanhanes, i always go dex since i plan to have 18/** anyway ;) 16:49 *screams internally* 16:49 <@IceBox> but what about TWENTY FIVE strength!? (spelled out for emphasis) 16:50 Mjolnir is for potion breakers :p 16:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 16:52 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 16:57 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57 -!- Cevn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:57 wtf... no scales from 5 silver dragons... 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "Blessed rustproof +2 Grayswandir", on T:30574 16:59 K2: Have you given crocodiles the Death Roll move yet, wherein they grab you and drag you into the water and drown you? 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 311571 points, T:30619, killed by an Angel 17:01 oh no sam :( 17:01 barely even got to use their new toy 17:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:02 <@IceBox> i guess the angel that handed it to them was like "you know, this does feel pretty nice...think i might keep it" stab 17:06 jonadab I love you 17:07 and i hate myself for not thinking of that first 17:08 Boo! It was a weak haunting. Not as much time to haunt as I thought but it was pretty cute. Have a spooky Halloween all! 17:08 -!- GhostOfTariru has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:08 omg 17:08 tariruria 17:08 we are not easily frightened 17:08 <@IceBox> piss off ghost! (in a nice way) 17:08 !asc tariru 17:08 bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] tariru has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): slex:1 (100.00%) | [hdf-eu] tariru has ascended 14 times in 15 games (93.33%): fh:1 (100.00%), sp:1 (100.00%), dnh:1 (100.00%), nh4:1 (100.00%), dyn:1 (100.00%), un:1 (100.00%), spl:1 (100.00%), 4k:1 (100.00%), slex:3 (100.00%), nh343:1 (100.00%), xnh:1 (100.00%), gh:1 (100.00%) 17:08 bubbles_nh: [EU] No ascensions for tariru. | [US] No ascensions for tariru. | [AU] No ascensions for tariru. 17:09 <@IceBox> why does it say 14 times in 15 games but they're all 100% 17:09 he lost a nh1.3 game to a crash 17:10 <@IceBox> ah, and that's not even listed i see 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] squid (Val Dwa Fem Law), 438 points, T:2441, killed by a giant rat, while helpless 17:14 <@malor> does anyone know tariru IRL? 17:14 No, no one knows god. 17:15 <@IceBox> lol 17:15 i still say Tariru is really Data from star trek TNG come from the future to conquer all computer games 17:15 <@IceBox> but they just stopped after nethack? 17:16 no one knows 17:17 its a *gasp* mystery 17:20 <@IceBox> there was a guy on twitch that had that schtick, called futureman gaming 17:20 <@IceBox> but he lived in new york, so pretty sure not tariru 17:22 <@malor> Was tariru in this chat when he was active? Or was he a silent killer? 17:23 whuh 17:23 he popped in irc every so often 17:23 !lastgame bubbles 17:23 bubbles_nh: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1572551826.dnh.txt 17:23 bubbles_nh: No last game for bubbles. 17:23 he/they/dunno 17:23 fater winning slex 4 out of 4 times, Tariru disappeared 17:23 I really need to start watching my HP... 17:23 *after 17:24 probably needed therapy 17:24 Shoe therapy 17:24 Do you think he's scared of sheep now? 17:24 !goat bubbles_nh 17:24 K2's goat runs up and rams bubbles_nh in the arse! Baaaaaa! 17:24 Because s/he sees a sheep and just hears "FLEECEY FLEECEY FLEECEY" 17:24 Arse? Very english of you! 17:25 Tangles wrote that one ;) 17:25 brb 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] squid (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 189 points, T:1508, killed by a fox, while helpless 17:29 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 17:30 Is there a reason to kill the oracle? 17:31 in vanilla? no 17:31 no, my pet dragon was unstoppable... 17:31 <@malor> Bubbles have you tried monk out? They are fun and tough. Half dragon monks are probably the third most powerful race-roll combo (after Android and then Barbarian plus any of orc/dragon/inc) 17:31 <@malor> And the play style I think would suit you nicely 17:32 oh, i can think of a reason. If you go extinctionist it is one deathcount more :D 17:32 -!- Cevn_ has joined #hardfought 17:33 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 <@Umby> Yeah, powerful pets can waste the Oracle if you have no means of getting them away 17:33 <@Umby> Outside of extinctionist most people don't really do it deliberately 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3455 17:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:37 <@malor> Bubbles did you see my earlier comment? 17:38 @malor i just read it 17:38 Will try out a hdragon monk 17:38 I just find them sooo weak without PH? 17:38 if I go hdragon, should I bother with the pet? 17:39 <@malor> I have “pettype:none” in all my settings except my knight 🙂 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:6268 17:39 <@Umby> phew, found an amulet of reflection in this Soko 17:39 <@Umby> Already got two BOH this run 17:39 <@Umby> though if I die might not matter 17:39 <@malor> Also I promise you could ascend without even getting premium heart with the dragon monk. They are hella tough. 17:40 ok I try! :-) 17:40 <@malor> Of course you will want premium heart 17:40 ooh acid also 17:40 <@malor> But the dragon monk is very good! 17:40 the best one? 17:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:40 <@malor> Acid is a good one since you don’t get acid resist for a long time otherwise 17:41 And it doesn't kill wands or potions or scrolls! 17:41 hurts armor but eh 17:41 <@malor> Lightning is the best based on my logic: it will prevent the most deaths! Since lightning damage hitting wands and other things is otherwise a death source! 17:41 And very few monster resist it? 17:41 Ahh true 17:41 i've died to that a lot 17:42 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 17:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 17:42 <@malor> You should never breath really. It isn’t very good. Your muscle is your muscle! Breath at the mind flayer in the neutral start level if you don’t have a wand. Other than that don’t use it. 17:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43 Okey dokey 17:44 so what do you guys suggest for getting the luckstone on mines end when you don't have a pick axe or mattack on the level that you need one for? 17:44 It's very unlikely there will be no digging implement in the entire Mines (and no wand of digging anywhere) 17:46 -!- Cevn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:48 when is it safe to read spellbooks you rate? 17:52 until later guys.... 17:52 seeya shadow 17:52 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 17:55 You destroy bubbles! Welcome to experience level 8. ;_; 17:55 masochism 17:55 OOOH: quicksilver 17:55 @malor worth using flails? 17:55 <@malor> Not as a monk. Just keep punching 17:56 <@malor> But it is nice to invoke for the speed. So invoke it and then keep it in open inventory 17:57 ahh ok, even though I can get expert flail just for the speed 17:57 sad but worth 17:57 Also got blade dancer's pair 17:58 <@malor> Your punches are your best bet as a dragon. Other races you will benefit from weapons but not dragons. They have some sort of double damage with natural weapons property or something. Riker would know the specifics 18:01 Ah dragons have more unarmed? 18:01 Didn't know that! 18:02 ah but I am slow 18:02 Does quicksilver not work if it's cursed, strange 18:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:136259 18:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Sam Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2080 18:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 24 points, T:26, killed by a kobold 18:16 <@malor> It might not work cursed I don’t know. Also sometimes it doesn’t give the correct message. So who knows if you are faster or not 🙂 18:17 <@malor> You are slower but I never really felt like it harmed me. You seem fast enough 🙂 18:17 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29140 18:26 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:29151 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:29306 18:31 if I put on a ring of aclarity I get the you are faster message 18:31 But invoking Quicksilver doens't do owt 18:31 <@malor> Quicksilver doesn’t always give the message and like you said it might but work while cursed. 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:29383 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29385 18:32 It is uncursed now! 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 278 points, T:420, killed by a falling object 18:33 !lastgame k2 18:33 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nethack/dumplog/1570859200.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1571098974.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1571098911.evil.html 18:33 K2: No last game for k2. 18:39 <@malor> Great. Once the invoke timeout is good using that is better than the ring since it doesn’t increase hunger and is slot-less 18:39 F gelatinous cubes 18:39 i'm so careful around those things 18:42 @Malor even after the invoke timeout it isn't giving me speed :-\ 18:42 @malor yolo 18:43 Sorry spam: 18:43 What do you want to wield? [- lM or ?*] M - an uncursed silver flail named Quicksilver (weapon in claw). # invoke What do you want to invoke? [b-dfhj-lnpr-tw-yACF-HKMOPT-Z or ?*] 18:43 Bubbles the Stud You feel a surge of power, but nothing seems to happen. 18:43 "Bubbles the stud" \o/ 18:45 ok now I am very fast, who even knows why/how 18:45 *shrug* 18:48 <@malor> That is the normal non-message. I think you are good 18:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:31094 18:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:54 @malor hmm there is a dread seraph within 2 tiles of my upstairs on DL21, that's going to be "interesting" later 18:54 kill it 18:55 Can't until Ig et the amulet 18:56 And it's scary 18:56 REAL scary 18:56 i'm not holding your hand 18:56 {Demo} might though 18:56 hold hands and skip - expert skill 18:56 lol 18:56 :) 18:57 Ig et the amulet? I hope you made him vomit it back up. 18:57 <{Demo}> what 18:57 <{Demo}> I see my name 18:57 its romper room 18:57 <{Demo}> please explain 18:58 {Demo} bubbles_nh needs your assistance 18:58 he's scared 18:58 <{Demo}> OK bubbles what do u need please be explicit 18:58 heh 18:59 <{Demo}> it's only 7 but I was like it's halloween so I can drink as much as I want and it's ok 18:59 the weather here is too shitty 19:00 wife and kid are at a kid halloween impromptu party nearby 19:00 no one is out 19:00 <{Demo}> yeah no one has come by yet 19:00 <{Demo}> which is hella surprising 19:00 <{Demo}> but I'm not complaining 19:00 I've had about 15 19:00 about half my loot is gone 19:00 <{Demo}> probably ubering out to a function in an hour 19:00 horde the rest! 19:03 {Demo}: @malor worth going to castle to wish for PH? 19:03 hdragon monk 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:31543 19:05 <@malor> If you can beat the castle and Medusa then it definitely will boost your power greatly! Also dread seraphs aren’t a problem just use a cursed gain level when you get one 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:31606 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ice box named You Kill em We Chill em", on T:31614 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "100 potions of booze", on T:31618 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1948620 points, T:31619, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/nethack/dumplog/1571631252.nh.html 19:10 ?d@valavi 19:11 What's the syntax 19:11 @d?valavi 19:11 valavi ~3~ Bralani (A) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 10 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: sleep | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d4 weapon physical, 1d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: omnivore, flies, seeinvis, stalker, infravisible 19:11 I assume not a valid poly form? 19:11 @d?mirkwood elder 19:11 mirkwood elder (s) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 18 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d8 bite vampire-drain, 1d1 kick webs | Alignment: -5 | Flags: carnivore, oviparous, poisonous 19:12 <@malor> The in game PokĂ©dex should indicate if it is a valid poly form 19:13 I just have a mask 19:18 @malor is the smokey purple robe good? 19:20 <@malor> I don’t know if the colored robes are different than your initial robe. I haven’t ever used one. I just go all game with my starting robe and eventually #name it to grandmaster 🙂 19:21 <@malor> How are you liking dragon monk? 19:21 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 19:21 adj_abon(uarmc, uarmc->spe); 19:21 @malor it is going pretty well, no PH yet though! 19:21 XL16 19:21 This is what the violet robe does 19:21 spontiff you about to ascend? 19:21 I think it is pretty rare 19:21 You have to get the ziggauraut wizard 19:21 Yup 19:21 nice 19:22 <@Umby> Hi again 19:22 <@Umby> Back from a refreshing shower 19:22 Not a very shallow dungeon, but successful nonetheless 19:22 heya @Umby 19:22 spontiff is this pacifist conduct? 19:22 oooh snap 19:23 \o/ 19:23 Yup, paci minscore 19:23 I'll get those last 200 points down someday! 19:23 awesome, congrats! 19:23 thank you! 19:23 gg spontiffy 19:23 Another 45 mins until tourny? 19:23 37 19:23 @malor looks like it is a robe that also gives charisma and constitution bonus 19:23 *bounces* 19:23 wow no e word either 19:24 oh yeah, I try not to use E in the early game, and once you have a magic whistle & decent pets, it's not really needed 19:24 * K2 nods 19:24 <@malor> Wow that is amazing then! 19:25 thanks 19:25 <@malor> I haven’t ever even checked them since my initial robe was good enough 🙂 19:25 alright... in 5 min pulling down last updates from devteam to tnnt 19:25 i wont update again unless there's a significant bug fix 19:25 <@malor> Great job with the pacifist conduct 19:26 lol 19:26 Talking of robes 19:28 <@malor> That’s kind of funny. Very sweet drop from your boss though! 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Smugzug (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 87 points, T:698, killed by a fox 19:28 fuuuuu 19:29 it had a cussing amulet of life saving 19:29 Though not sure why /oDeath didn' kill it 19:29 I shall watch a tv then return to dragonmonk 19:29 dragonk 19:30 @malor https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dnethack/blob/679d0bb0670656211eaa1d96fc86e14b306ebd61/dnethack-3.4.3/src/do_wear.c#L3410 relevant bit of code 19:30 <@malor> Oh my. You need to use wand of digging on them. But one with an amulet of life is very OP 19:31 I was stethoscoping him, killed him, "But no" 19:31 !lastgame bubbles 19:31 bubbles_nh: No last game for bubbles. 19:31 bubbles_nh: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1572557919.dnh.txt 19:31 How come /oDeath doesn't work? 19:31 You destroy the invisible darkness given hunger of the Dread Fracture! 19:31 Maybe not... 19:31 The death ray rips into the invisible darkness given hunger of the Dread Fracture. 19:31 The invisible darkness given hunger of the Dread Fracture digests you! 19:31 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 19:32 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 19:32 You die... 19:32 I blame Chris_ANG ! 19:32 (as always) 19:33 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 19:36 <{Demo}> 100 potions of booze 19:36 <{Demo}> if only 19:40 <@malor> Alway use a wand of digging on those guys it gets you out of them and does a ton of damage. 19:43 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:44 <@malor> Also teleportation of all types will work also. Either teleport them or yourself 19:46 <@Umby> Whomst tagged me 19:46 <@Umby> Oh, hi K2 19:46 <@Umby> was AFK sorry 19:46 no worries 19:47 <@Umby> Also yeah, digging over death ray 19:47 as usual we're doing (literally) last min tweaks 19:47 <@Umby> When engulfed 19:47 <@Umby> It does high damage and even if it doesn't kill it gets you out usually 19:47 <@Umby> I'm still tickled by that guy who bounced a death ray on himself trying to fry a ghost 19:47 time to make a list of the crap i need... i usually die right after i take the time tho 19:48 The Dread Fracture lived up to its name I see. It's minions all have the "fractured" derived-undead-template, which is why the death ray failed to kill it. 19:48 Chris_ANG: Message from bubbles_nh at 2019-10-30 17:56 EDT: You miss the gnome. You kick the gnome. You kill the gnome! You kill the gnome! dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 2 pending Program in disorder - you should probably S)ave and reload the game. 19:48 Chris_ANG: Message from bubbles_nh at 2019-10-30 17:56 EDT: monk poly into a unicorn 19:49 Bwah 19:49 <+Croesus> Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-17 00:24 UTC: yani: priests get a cap of skilled on arti gifts 19:49 in #tnnt 19:49 Ah, cool 19:51 I dunno if Chris_ANG reads the yani archive but I am recording them from #tnnt as well 19:51 I read it occasionally, yeah. 19:52 !time 19:52 K2: Thu Oct 31 19:52:10 2019 EDT 19:52 K2: 2019-10-31 23:52:10 UTC. 2019 Tournament begins in 0d 00:07:50 19:52 \o/ 19:52 $time 19:52 DIRGE 19:52 not yet aosdict :P 19:52 <@ShivanHunter> &time 19:52 !!time 19:52 time!! 19:52 !@#$%^&*()time 19:54 -!- Croesus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- Croesus has joined #hardfought 19:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 19:56 $help 19:56 Tangles!~tangles@220.240.58.239: https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnntbot/blob/master/botuse.txt 19:56 haha oops. 19:57 I mashed one too many !'s 19:57 heh 19:59 ok that should fix it if you want to pull again. 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:21751 20:00 ###### TNNT 2019 IS OPEN! ###### 20:00 <@Tone> Woot! 20:00 <@Tone> I'll be livestreaming my first games here: https://www.twitch.tv/tonehack 20:00 What is TNNT? 20:00 <@Tone> :) 20:01 GLHF! 20:02 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 143 points, 494 turns, killed by a newt 20:02 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/index.html 20:02 Porkmantwo ^ 20:02 -!- Croesus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02 tnnt is up now? 20:03 -!- Croesus has joined #hardfought 20:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 20:03 nce 20:03 nice 20:04 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 35 points, 315 turns, killed by a sewer rat 20:04 oh yeah 20:04 You die... 20:04 sorry, rightclick paste as always 20:05 23:48 <+Chris_ANG> The Dread Fracture lived up to its name I see. It's minions all have the "fractured" derived-undead-template, which is why the death ray failed to kill it. 20:05 Right 20:05 is it vanilla or across variants? 20:05 Chris_ANG: why is everything you do so evil? 20:05 Why? :-( 20:06 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the apostrophe in "It's" there _evil_. 20:06 Porkmantwo its vanilla with a couple added side quests and a shit ton of achievements and extra conducts 20:06 heh 20:06 mhm 20:06 Also, do we know if demogorgon can destroy artifacts? 20:06 read the rules and about on the webpage i linked 20:06 my grandmaster's robe is...missing 20:06 <{Demo}> oh shit it started 20:07 <{Demo}> I'm not in a way to play 20:07 [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 237 points, 575 turns, killed by a giant mimic 20:07 {Demo}: do it anyway 20:08 aha, found it 20:10 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 599 points, 993 turns, killed by an orc zombie 20:11 [Tr] bubbles now has Most Achievements in One Game! 20:11 [Ac] bubbles just earned Dungeon Economics. 20:11 so my horse brings the pickaxe into the mindflayer scroll shop of ripoffs and now he wants 3330 for it 20:12 thank god for magic whistles 20:12 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6163 20:12 aosdict: do you use a tiling wm 20:13 winny: i3 20:13 yeah i figured :p 20:13 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:13 (as per the window shape) 20:13 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7753 20:15 [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 232 points, 872 turns, killed by a jackal 20:15 all - Croesus accepts command via $ instead of ! now 20:15 somehow I found 2 holy water randomly 20:15 that's.. rare 20:15 for hopefully obvious reasons 20:15 o 20:15 *lol 20:16 [Tr] hothraxxa now has Most Achievements in One Game! 20:16 [Ac] hothraxxa just earned A Little Light Larceny and 007. 20:16 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2707 points, 1769 turns, killed by a hill orc called GODDAMN ORCTOWN 20:17 [Ac] ShivanHunter just earned Dungeon Economics and You're About To Die, You Scrub. 20:17 ahhh i fuckin love this 20:17 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 20:18 the chat is just as much fun if not moreso than playing 20:18 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 413 points, 1325 turns, killed by a hobbit 20:18 did it start? 20:18 oh hell yes 20:18 18 min ago 20:18 did I miss anything exciting yet? 20:18 has luxidream ascended already? 20:18 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ € public irc logs available on website € ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org € TNNT 2019 has begun! Good luck and have fun all! 20:18 Oh shit, I thought it started tomorrow. 20:18 JonathanHanes: twice 20:19 Time to run some nethack. 20:19 [US] Entitas (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2225 20:19 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "nx", on T:9602 20:20 [US] [D]: deadnoob (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 716 points, 968 turns, killed by a gnome 20:21 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 101 points, 527 turns, killed by a giant mimic 20:21 [Ac] deadnoob just earned Dungeon Economics and New Lease on Life. 20:21 [Ac] bubbles just earned It'll Turn Up Later. 20:21 [EU] Anerag (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3278 20:24 [US] [D]: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 109 points, 480 turns, killed by an exploding large box 20:24 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 786 points, 1572 turns, killed by an explosion 20:24 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11252 20:25 [Ac] Kontroller just earned Touch It With A 10 Foot Pole. 20:25 [Ac] jonathanhanes just earned 007. 20:25 !who 20:25 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] porkman [ndnh] deadnoob [tnnt] Lettuce [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] antigulp [tnnt] efot [tnnt] IceBox [tnnt] ichbinmiah [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] thegame [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] iyarkonan [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] jonathanhanes [tnnt] winny [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] asdf [nh363] FIQ [tnnt] Anerag [tnnt] noims [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] mosen [tnnt] bubbles [tnnt] coldaemon [tnnt] | [hdf-au] Tangles [tnnt] 20:26 :O 20:26 ^ almost a record 20:28 [US] [D]: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 192 points, 809 turns, killed by a sewer rat 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] tsingi (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 1392 points, T:1504, killed by a tengu 20:29 [Ac] jonathanhanes just earned Dungeon Economics. 20:30 32 players online 20:30 thats a new record 20:30 \o/ 20:31 [US] BEHiker91W (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (elf), on T:1 20:32 [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 802 points, 1745 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:32 34 now 20:32 geez 20:33 Demogorgon also summoned juiblex, who levelported god knows where 20:33 did tnnt start? 20:33 yes 20:33 33 min ago 20:33 [Ac] mosen just earned Furry Little Problem. 20:33 [US] aosdict (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:3563 20:34 -96 ac 20:34 [US] [D]: antigulp (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 685 points, 1690 turns, killed by a giant ant 20:35 sustained 34 players online 20:35 yeah buddy 20:35 do you think there's any significant difference between -83 and -96 ac? 20:35 hah Porkmantwo no 20:35 [EU] noims (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3170 20:35 [Ac] antigulp just earned Pet Whisperer and Absolute Monarchy. 20:35 i can start scum and not penalize my clan? 20:35 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2060 points, 2336 turns, killed by a gnome lord 20:35 Is there a clan I can join? 20:35 <---- no shame 20:36 Porkmantwo: space in clan TNNT if you want it 20:36 I can play decently :) 20:36 [Tr] bubbles now has Most Achievements in One Game! 20:36 [Ac] bubbles just earned 5 new achievements. 20:36 [R] Clan TeamGirlAndShoes moves to ranking position 3! 20:36 [R] Clan Order of the Cockatrice moves to ranking position 2! 20:36 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14780 20:36 Porkmantwo: you play under porkman or porkmantwo for the tournament 20:37 Porkman 20:37 invited 20:37 porkmantwo is just a failsafe for IRC in case it disconnects, which it has done 20:37 how do i accept the invite? 20:37 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clanmgmt/ 20:38 log in with your hdf password 20:38 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 3428 points, 6364 turns, killed by an invisible werewolf 20:39 [EU] [D]: mosen (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 164 points, 679 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:39 [Tr] iyarkonan now has Most Achievements in One Game! 20:39 [Ac] iyarkonan just earned 10 new achievements. 20:39 excellent, thanks 20:39 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 849 points, 1559 turns, killed by a gnome lord 20:39 let me just finish this DNH ascension and then its time for some foooolishness 20:40 :) 20:40 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 859 points, 1604 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Mina Harker, on T:44785 20:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Carmilla, on T:44785 20:41 35 players online 20:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44787 20:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44787 20:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Ilona Szilagy, on T:44788 20:42 [R] New clan registered - Team Ant! 20:43 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:17257 20:43 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 220 points, 581 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:43 [US] [D]: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 896 points, 1569 turns, killed by a kobold mummy 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 45 points, T:282, killed by a sewer rat 20:44 [US] [D]: deadnoob (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1405 points, 2161 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 20:44 [US] [D]: rebatela (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 766 points, 887 turns, killed by a wand, while helpless 20:44 [Ac] jonathanhanes just earned Hobbit Skin, Pet Whisperer, Nerd, and You're About To Die, You Scrub. 20:44 [Ac] deadnoob just earned Civilized Cooking and You're About To Die, You Scrub. 20:44 oh that's like a triple bones level now 20:44 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 785 points, 658 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and 2 other games not reported) 20:44 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1150 points, 2167 turns, killed by a kobold lord 20:45 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 431 points, 1250 turns, killed by a giant bat 20:45 [Ac] efot just earned Dungeon Economics, Best Friends Forever, and Sounds Hollow. 20:45 [Ac] rebatela just earned Dungeon Economics and Pet Whisperer. 20:46 [Ac] iyarkonan just earned Pet Whisperer. 20:46 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 20:47 evening all! 20:47 [US] BEHiker91W (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Fluffy, her faithful gnome mummy, on T:4 20:48 NO! not fluffy! 20:48 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:48 <@Umby> Hi Shadowcat 20:48 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 338 points, 862 turns, killed by a giant bat 20:48 <@Umby> Someoen got cheeky with an early wand of polymorph 20:48 <{Demo}> /join #tnnt-hardfought 20:48 <@Umby> Someone* 20:48 <{Demo}> what's the channel called? 20:48 #tnnt 20:48 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 813 points, 1857 turns, killed by a giant ant 20:48 <{Demo}> thanks I'm gonna add it to my bot 20:48 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 223 points, 624 turns, killed by a water moccasin 20:49 36 players 20:49 daaaamn 20:49 on halloween night 20:49 [Ac] Kontroller just earned One Hit KO. 20:49 [Ac] iyarkonan just earned Orthodoxy. 20:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:49 [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 5! 20:49 <{Demo}> girls and shoes 20:49 <{Demo}> I'm neither but it's funny 20:49 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:22141 20:50 -!- Croesus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50 -!- Croesus has joined #hardfought 20:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 20:51 [EU] [D]: noims (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1942 points, 4857 turns, killed by a rothe 20:51 [US] [D]: rebatela (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 618 points, 1033 turns, killed by a dwarf king (and 5 other games not reported) 20:51 ugh catacombs 20:52 catacombs are the best 20:52 [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1325 points, 2288 turns, killed by a ghoul, while praying 20:53 [US] [D]: Lettuce (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2466 points, 4940 turns, killed by a wolf, while fainted from lack of food 20:53 [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 4! 20:54 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54 <{Demo}> I wish Amy was here to say fucked up shit on my behalf and get away with it :( 20:54 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:45356 20:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:56 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 606 points, 1503 turns, killed by a pony 20:57 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 448 points, 1301 turns, killed by a kitten called Tim 21:01 “Hey Antigulp, I was just wondering at what point you realized you were trash.” “Well, it was when I started naming my pets in NetHack after beyblades.” 21:01 [US] [D]: thegame (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1570 points, 4604 turns, killed by a gold golem 21:02 i'm not used to having river/lava -free mines 21:02 hahaha 21:02 everything will be easy now 21:03 My chameleon turned into a flaming sphere and sacrificed itself for the sake of killing a jackal. RIP. 21:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:45769 21:07 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 233 points, 779 turns, killed by a hobbit (and one other game not reported) 21:07 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 190 points, 645 turns, killed by a small mimic 21:07 damn mimics. :P 21:07 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 4183 points, 4245 turns, killed by a soldier ant 21:10 [R] New clan registered - yolo! 21:11 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 1175 points, 2378 turns, killed by a rothe 21:11 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1106 points, 2349 turns, killed by a rabid rat 21:12 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 901 points, 3015 turns, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 21:12 [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 5! 21:14 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 310 points, 379 turns, killed by a dwarf 21:14 [US] [D]: eitwinston (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2274 points, 4067 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 21:14 Peaceful silver dragons in the mines? I smell a polytrap. 21:14 [US] [D]: Lettuce (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1812 points, 3657 turns, killed by a giant ant 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:45450 21:21 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46497 21:22 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 666 points, 1486 turns, killed by a little dog 21:23 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 600 points, 399 turns, killed by a snake (and 4 other games not reported) 21:23 [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4! 21:23 [EU] [D]: bubbles (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1025 points, 1606 turns, killed by a rock piercer 21:24 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1581 points, 2635 turns, fell into a pit 21:26 38 players online 21:26 hah 21:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46715 21:30 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 721 points, 2493 turns, killed by a red naga hatchling 21:31 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 693 points, 645 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 21:32 [US] [D]: thegame (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 444 points, 2361 turns, killed by a kobold, while fainted from lack of food 21:35 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 21:35 [EU] [D]: noims (Ran-Gno-Mal-Neu), 4832 points, 5718 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 21:36 [EU] [D]: FIQ (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 5619 points, 10723 turns, poisoned by a snake 21:37 [Tr] FIQ now has Most Achievements in One Game! 21:38 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 2438 points, 4244 turns, killed by a giant beetle 21:39 [US] [D]: Glord (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 601 points, 1343 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:41 YANI: Shopkeepers won't pay any money for empty wands. 21:41 [US] [D]: jeremiahL (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 437 points, 1966 turns, killed by a water moccasin 21:42 aosdict: horrible idea 21:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the elder priestess of Moloch, on T:47003 21:43 anything to screw the player, right? lol 21:43 well, would you pay money for an empty wand? 21:44 no, but i enjoy selling them 21:45 maybe the shopkeepers can't tell that a wand is empty just by looking at it either? 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47547 21:46 they aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the dungeon... Have you noticed what monsters get away with? 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47582 21:47 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 21:50 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 587 points, 3117 turns, killed by a giant bat 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 365 points, T:1771, killed by a giant bat 21:56 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:48324 21:57 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Sam-Hum-Fem-Cha), 596756 points, 37124 turns, killed by an orange dragon (with the Amulet) 21:57 [US] [Q]: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 11110 points, 6623 turns, quit 21:58 [Tr] Luxidream now has Most Achievements in One Game! 21:59 rip lux 22:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:47947 22:00 Bitch 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Elf Mal), 50 points, T:56, leprechaun 22:02 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 441 points, 1788 turns, killed by a manes 22:03 [R] Clan Order of the Cockatrice moves to ranking position 1! 22:03 hmmm. a couple of achievements aren't showing. i used my first wish and i got excalibur. 22:05 shadowcat has your game ended yet 22:05 i dont see a death message so i am gonna go with 'no' 22:05 no. but they usually show up in the channel when they happen 22:05 not this channel 22:05 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 4202 points, 4321 turns, killed by a gnome king, while sleeping 22:05 #tnnt 22:06 ohhhhh. sorry. got it. 22:06 gonna go switch. :) 22:06 [22:03] <+Croesus> [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2868 22:06 :P 22:06 <@Umby> As a minor aside, you usually want to avoid wishing for Excal if you're eligible to dip for it anyhow 22:06 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 22:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:48413 22:06 <@Umby> Artifact'll still be in play if you get others 22:06 K2: since when do they show even in the channel before your game ends? 22:06 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 14940 points, T:9729, killed by a pit fiend 22:07 <@Umby> Ain't that the pits 22:08 aosdict they dont 22:08 [US] [D]: ArcaneNH (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1059 points, 2674 turns, killed by a soldier ant 22:08 shadowcat: so don't expect immediate achievement reporting anywhere in irc before your game ends 22:09 okay. thanks! 22:09 -!- shadowcat has left #hardfought 22:09 I mean, it would be pretty easy to add a livelog command to tnnt_achieve, but that would probably be VERY spammy 22:09 it would 22:10 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 22:11 [US] [D]: thegame (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1653 points, 2738 turns, killed by a watch captain 22:15 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 334 points, 1734 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a bat, on T:4414 22:16 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:48665 22:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4415 22:20 kid fell asleep finally hah 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Nin Mal), 433 points, T:597, cadaver 22:21 <{Demo}> time for tnnt soon 22:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law), 6031 points, T:4964, killed by a wand 22:23 <{Demo}> i follow all of k2s preparatory steps 22:23 <{Demo}> so i should be ready 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Kni Mal), 50 points, T:67, imp 22:25 <{Demo}> ugh, fuck 3.6 cash starve 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Arc Mal), 111 points, T:40, imp 22:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] porkman (Pri Inc Fem Cha), 9099494 points, T:48745, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/notdnethack/dumplog/1572272998.ndnh.txt 22:26 <{Demo}> grats pork! 22:26 Hardly as much of a porking as i would have liked after your nerfing 22:26 [US] [D]: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2483 points, 2743 turns, killed by a gnome lord 22:27 [R] Clan teamsplat moves to ranking position 5! 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Elf Mal), 50 points, T:39, gnome 22:27 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 564 points, 2035 turns, killed by a hill orc 22:27 so how do i join this tournament 22:27 just play 3.6.3? 22:28 Porkmantwo: Go to the tournament menu. 22:28 and play tnnt 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh13d] CALLOUS (Cav Mal), 86 points, T:99, poisonous corpse 22:31 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4186 points, 6052 turns, killed by a scorpion (and 36 other games not reported) 22:31 <@ShivanHunter> bollocks 22:32 [US] [D]: efot (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 600 points, 7150 turns, killed by a gas cloud 22:32 how does elebereth work in vanilla these days? 22:32 <{Demo}> it doesnt, i think 22:33 <{Demo}> i dont know im too good to ever need it 22:33 <{Demo}> ;)\ 22:33 [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad moves to ranking position 3! 22:33 it works like in 3.4.3 except if you take hostile action towards monsters while standing on it it vanishes 22:33 and doesn't work in gehennom/planes 22:34 <{Demo}> 5 lamps on minetown 22:34 <{Demo}> all oil 22:34 <{Demo}> 2 magic markers 22:34 heh 22:35 <@ShivanHunter> Anhur fucking dammit I started with a ring of slow digestion and a ring of polycontrol, then innediately went and killed a newt and voided Weaponless conduct 22:40 <{Demo}> why do monks start with speed? 22:40 <{Demo}> who balanced monks and what were they thinking 22:40 balancing monks is easy 22:41 because they have entire systems dedicated entirely to them 22:41 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 862 points, 957 turns, killed by a boulder 22:41 lol 22:41 boulder trap 22:42 <{Demo}> do i have to do anything to make my tnnt game count? 22:42 play it via the tournament menu 22:42 <{Demo}> im registered on the site with amys clan, is that all i need to do? 22:43 <{Demo}> how did i find someones stash 22:43 [EU] [D]: FIQ (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 404 points, 4572 turns, killed by a little dog (and one other game not reported) 22:43 <{Demo}> so early on 22:43 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Pok Bre Fem Neu), 1438 points, T:1487, killed by a monster (jennifer swordman) 22:44 what if longbow could be invoked for pierce buff 22:44 *all* your projectiles (not just those from the bow) pierce monsters for a short time (20 turns?) 22:45 -!- Eloc has joined #hardfought 22:45 and what does piercing monsters do 22:45 it means that projectiles goes past things it hits 22:45 until it reaches its top range 22:46 corollary YANI for object properties: ammo property "of piercing" 22:46 im going to go for all the wizards first, then all the priests 22:47 <{Demo}> saving and calling it a night 22:48 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 22:48 this raises a question 22:49 does pierce and returning stack? 22:49 and 0% mulch? 22:49 normally things willl simply just return once they hit the first monster 22:49 but if projectiles pierce monsters, there is the question on whether or not it will hit them on the rebound 22:49 I want to say no because of balance reasons 22:49 but it makes no flavour sense 22:49 demo: why do monks start with speed? 22:49 the returning is magical teleportation 22:50 because they can't wear body armor and suck with weapons 22:50 they don't automatically get reflection or mr from dsm like every other role 22:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:50 that's what I was going to do at first actually 22:50 but I figured that since Mjollnir and Boomerang already had perfectly good code for "proper" return 22:50 I would use that 22:50 which is what I do atm 22:51 *Mjollnir and boomerangs 22:51 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 22:51 what if monks lost their intrinsics when wearing body armor 22:51 :P 22:52 <{Demo}> reflection is actually unimportant yep 22:52 <{Demo}> can monks pull off body armor endgame vanilla? 22:52 hmm 22:52 of course 22:52 now I kinda want to do this 22:52 at level 20 or higher yeah 22:52 monks can't hit with a weapon when wearing armor 22:52 but combine it with them getting elemental immunities past XL17 22:52 with luck the penalty is only -7 to hit 22:52 lol@ pretending that monks are op 22:53 so that a monk *not* wearing body armor gets several immunities intrinsically 22:53 but they lose it when wearing it 22:53 interesting idea 22:53 don't get me wrong, the reason i PLAY them is because of the starting speed, stealth, poison resist. etc... but it's a tradeoff 22:53 <{Demo}> so vanilla monks should wear dsm? 22:53 <{Demo}> endgame 22:53 you can 22:54 lvl 30, maxed stats/luck? no problem 22:54 <{Demo}> amulet slot is for aols only 22:54 <{Demo}> should I roll stormy? 22:54 <{Demo}> or martial arts? 22:54 you aren't joking about aols? you wear that in vanilla? 22:54 <{Demo}> I don't think u understand how dumb I am 22:54 oh i do 22:54 <{Demo}> I will splat so hard 22:54 <{Demo}> if I don't have it 22:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55 i always thought you were joking about the amulet 22:55 <{Demo}> oops I typod multiple times in a tow lie a dumbass 22:55 this is what I had in mind for them since earlier: acid res, poison immunity, fire immunity, cold immunity, shock immunity, acid immunity 22:55 for XL19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 29 22:55 I kinda want to do this, but combine it with no body armor rule 22:56 <{Demo}> do what dnh does lol 22:56 !lastgame porkman 22:56 Porkmantwo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/notdnethack/dumplog/1572272998.ndnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/dnethack/dumplog/1546799633.dnh.txt 22:56 possibly a XL30 trinsic too just to finish it out (probably very fast) 22:57 where would i find tournament dumplogs? 22:57 <{Demo}> in the toilet 22:57 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5053 points, 4229 turns, killed by a hill orc, while unconscious from rotten food 22:57 $lastgame 22:57 FIQ: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/tnnt/dumplog/1572574097.tnnt.html | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1572576222.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/tnnt/dumplog/1572575245.tnnt.html 22:58 Does Croesus announce the mines luckstone? (asking for a friend) 22:58 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 43 points, 116 turns, killed by the wrath of Thoth 22:58 ÂŁlastgame 22:59 $lastgame 22:59 Porkmantwo: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/tnnt/dumplog/1572574097.tnnt.html | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1572576222.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/tnnt/dumplog/1572577071.tnnt.html 22:59 rebatela: yep 22:59 hmmmm 22:59 [US] [D]: thegame (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1044 points, 3613 turns, killed by a wolf 22:59 that's not good 22:59 lol 22:59 either croesus isn't working right on that or i don't have the luckstone 22:59 -!- Eloc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:59 orctown is an evil place that is the game telling you that you suck 23:00 swap chest is probably all garbage at this point, right? I was going to put a magic marker in. but i think i'll wait 23:00 why wait 23:00 because i'd rather get something besides a cursed wand of slow monster 23:00 [US] [D]: Lettuce (Hea-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2915 points, 4517 turns, killed by a killer bee 23:00 i seed the chest before the tournament starts 23:00 haha sure you do 23:01 you cant put cursed wands in 23:01 with loadstones 23:01 ;) 23:01 and yeah i do 23:01 that's cool 23:01 from the beta or? 23:01 yeah this go around 23:02 i picked last three from beta each server (didnt look at contents) 23:02 do names stay around in swapchest? 23:02 rebatela: I can confirm the US chest is fairly garbage 23:02 for first year Tangles and I picked some decent stuff 23:02 FIQ yes 23:02 rebatela https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_November_NetHack_Tournament#Swap_chest 23:02 so you could, for example, place a shitty weapon that you happened to get +9 or similar 23:02 in case anyone finds it useful 23:02 !who 23:02 JonathanHanes: [hdf-us] tsingi [nh363] CALLOUS [nh13d] AntiVirus [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] antigulp [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] thegame [tnnt] shadowcat [tnnt] rebatela [tnnt] Glord [tnnt] jeremiahL [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] Anerag [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] HarmathZsolt [tnnt] | [hdf-au] Numbgoon [nh363] Andrio [tnnt] 23:03 ok k2. i put a SOLID item in :) 23:03 why would anyone bother getting something to +9 just to drop it in the swapchest 23:03 aosdict: polypile rejects 23:03 maybe they are sharing people 23:03 the concept seems to evade some of y 23:03 'all 23:03 hm that made me think of people wondertrading breedjects lol 23:04 [US] [D]: IceBox (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 9948 points, 8025 turns, killed by a black naga, while sleeping (and 23 other games not reported) 23:05 aosdict: yeah i went ahead and put a good item in believing the lies 23:05 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 414 points, 1316 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 23:06 I just hit the devteam quest for the first time and I am DYING. This is great 23:07 I can’t believe there’s a DIRGE reference 23:07 the achievements are primarily named by me and K2. are you that surprised? ;) 23:08 [US] [D]: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2170 points, 1619 turns, killed by a water moccasin 23:08 I hate when the sokoban 4 giant mimics generate in such a way to block solving the level 23:08 I won’t spoil more but the humor is fantastic, gosh. I love this. 23:09 I found 2 cursed "old gloves" i my last game 23:09 oh I thought you meant the achievement 23:09 so I assumed fumbling 23:09 nope, GoP 23:09 forgot i can't just drop Boh on altar 23:10 Looking inside the bag, you see colored flashes 23:10 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 203 points, 896 turns, killed by a small mimic 23:10 ffs 23:10 orctown bones 23:10 Porkmantwo: mine? 23:10 that's better than orctown no bones 23:10 dunno yet 23:10 I have some good loot actually 23:10 <{Demo}> orcus mcporcus 23:10 almost by definition 23:10 so if you did, thet is a good thing 23:10 [US] ShivanHunter has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 23:11 <@ShivanHunter> well give me a bloody ring of slow digestion then RNG 23:11 yes, they're yours 23:11 see my dumplog 23:11 <@ShivanHunter> wow that actually worked 23:12 <@ShivanHunter> e - an uncursed ring of slow digestion (on right hand) 23:14 hi 23:14 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought 23:15 so, I wonder if Tariru plays devnull or tnnt 23:16 I like how there's a startscum shaming function. 23:16 he has yeah 23:16 havent seen him for this year 23:16 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 377 points, 1231 turns, killed by a giant mimic 23:16 heya bug_sniper 23:17 "100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 23:17 :) 23:17 <@ShivanHunter> startscumming ftw 23:18 SHAME 23:18 mmh. decent healer bones 23:18 * K2 starts ringing a bell 23:18 <@ShivanHunter> ding ding ding 23:18 <@ShivanHunter> LUL 23:18 :P 23:18 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 13 points, 110 turns, killed by a falling object 23:18 OMEGALUL 23:18 thanks FIQ :p 23:19 [US] [D]: klintos (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 10897 points, 11962 turns, poisoned by a rabid rat 23:19 hell ya shivanhunter! 23:19 @?grid bug 23:19 grid bug (x) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 12 | Res: shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d1 bite shock | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, infravisible 23:19 they basically tell you in the rules to start scum 23:20 no shame 23:20 can't scum streaks :p 23:20 rebatela: well there's a trophy for not scumming any games :P 23:20 <@ShivanHunter> ^ 23:20 <@ShivanHunter> but that was never on the table for me, I'm trying for that ludicrous conduct game again lol 23:21 Hey so random question but how many pet baby gray draongs would you say is too many 23:21 I’m on my way to about 20 23:21 <@ShivanHunter> 80 23:22 Aw man, this is gonna take a while then 23:22 <@ShivanHunter> :P 23:23 oh god they’re everywhere 23:23 121 23:23 AntiGulp: TNNT doesn't have dragonmasters. 23:23 This was a lot funnier before I filled up the entire room 23:23 It does now. 23:23 if i remember correctly though, last year there was barely any start scumming because it showed it on the scoreboard 23:24 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25 My baby dragons will block out the sun 23:26 -!- irina|log has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30 [US] [D]: antigulp (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 53185 points, 13129 turns, killed by a captain, while praying 23:30 [R] Clan TeamGirlAndShoes moves to ranking position 2! 23:30 Uhhhhhh so I accidentally got killed by a captain. To whoever finds my bones with ~15 baby gray dragons roaming the level, I’m sorry. 23:31 $lastgame antigulp 23:31 aosdict: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/antigulp/tnnt/dumplog/1572568489.tnnt.html 23:31 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 818 points, 2232 turns, killed by a rock mole 23:32 [US] [D]: jonathanhanes (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 778 points, 2376 turns, killed by a water moccasin 23:33 How much is an artifact blast in vanilla: 23:34 !who 23:34 K2: [hdf-us] tsingi [nh363] oh6 [nh363] CALLOUS [nh13d] AntiVirus [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] ToneHack [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] Quipyowert [tnnt] thegame [tnnt] shadowcat [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] jeremiahL [tnnt] jonathanhanes [tnnt] porkman [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] Anerag [tnnt] khamul [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] | [hdf-au] Numbgoon [nh363] 23:35 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 39 points, 261 turns, killed by a kobold 23:38 Found a random lance. And I'm capable of riding... 23:38 Not strong enough to pick it up... 23:39 good luck everyone 23:39 You too, Cevn! 23:39 we can start scum? 23:39 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1046 points, T:4952, killed by a giant ant 23:39 I mean. I would never 23:39 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 152 points, 610 turns, killed by a boulder 23:39 -!- irina|log is now known as Guest52494 23:40 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 25667 points, 11520 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 23:40 I have regeneration for my first go. Only an idiot could die with regeneration. 23:41 Now i have -21 ac in minetown 23:41 Dam this guy is way ahead 23:41 PORKING IN PROGRESS 23:41 POOOORK 23:42 I’m gonna hit the hay. Night all! 23:43 gnite AntiGulp 23:43 o/ 23:43 good night 23:43 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:43 he totally saw that 23:43 [US] [D]: Cevn (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 143 points, 917 turns, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 23:44 I'm an idiot.. 23:44 [US] [D]: Glord (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3479 points, 8306 turns, killed by a gargoyle, while fainted from lack of food 23:45 [R] Clan Order of the Chickatrice moves to ranking position 4! 23:46 <@ShivanHunter> regeneration is a pretty terrible ring tbh. Either you're surrounded and need a healing potion/spell, in which case 1HP/turn just won't cut it; or you're able to retreat and come back later, in which case your natural healing will usually be enough 23:47 <@ShivanHunter> it's not utterly useless but the situations where it's useful are pretty marginal 23:47 Tru that. My favorite is slow d in the early game to be sure. 23:47 I was more shaming myself to do well 23:47 EvilHack updated (all servers) 23:47 <@ShivanHunter> yeah that one's great 23:47 but it backfired 23:48 <@ShivanHunter> heh 23:48 boh acquired, still need reflection or MR 23:48 oh and fiq 23:48 thanks for making unholy water :) 23:49 <@ShivanHunter> waaaay back in my early days I used to scum for a spellbook of identify. That's another counterintuitively horrible one - I used up all my Pw trying to cast it at like 70% fail rate and never had any left over to save my ass 23:49 ^ that 23:49 @rld I still do that.. 23:50 you mean ShivanHunter 23:50 oh 23:50 rld is the dicord to orc bridge bot 23:50 I see 23:50 *discord 23:50 whenever I have a magic marker I waste the whole thing on trying to luck into identify 23:51 start with * 23:51 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1331 points, 2059 turns, killed by a dwarf 23:51 <@ShivanHunter> ID is great in the midgame, especially once you've trained up Divination, and especially once you've gotten the EotA. But it does nothing for your survivability in the early game, and that's where wizards have the real problems 23:52 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 23:53 <@ShivanHunter> OTOH, Magic missile is a great starting spell. Detect monsters and Charm monster are both absolutely godly if you remember to use them 23:53 <@ShivanHunter> charm monster can seriously win the game for you all on its own 23:53 yeah, those are the best spells 23:53 Yea, i've had some very OP charm monster runs. 23:53 i agree ID is useful later on 23:53 and this is why we have petless conduct! 23:53 I hadn't seen Detect monsters be effecitve tho. What do you mean? 23:53 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1487462 points, 30118 turns, ascended 23:53 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572573550.tnnt.html 23:53 and it saves you all that paper that you can use for better things 23:53 <@ShivanHunter> heeeere comes the luxidream brigade! :D 23:54 Foreal 23:54 <@ShivanHunter> is that the first TNNT asc? 23:54 [Tr] Luxidream now has First Ascension, Most Ascensions, Most Conducts in One Ascension, Most Achievements in One Game, Lowest Scoring Ascension, Highest Scoring Ascension, Lowest Turncount, and Fastest Realtime! 23:54 gaaaad 23:54 <@ShivanHunter> GG OotC, RIP all the other clans 23:55 <@ShivanHunter> :P 23:55 [R] New clan registered - yolo! 23:55 notice: we are introducing an emergency scoring freeze effective immediately to address bugs. we hope to be done with maintenance by december 2nd. 23:56 notice: the above message is a joke. 23:56 <@ShivanHunter> LUL 23:56 you got me good... 23:57 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 23:57 I'm playing for real now tho.. 23:58 gnite folks 23:58 nite man 23:59 night 23:59 monk quest is such garbage for loot.... which is odd because the priest quest which looks quite similar is loaded 23:59 lol, vampire lords in mines end 23:59 plenty of tripe rations and leashes tho