00:00 <Andrio> Still no idea why they're called vaults.
00:00 <Andrio> Heh
00:00 <K2> :)
00:00 <Andrio> I've seen Dlvl:1 rust monsters in UnNetHack, yeah
00:00 <Andrio> Also disenchanters
00:00 <K2> unnethack you can do what that commit allows
00:00 <K2> bhaak just didnt always set it
00:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:81085
00:01 <K2> oh the diplated armor room
00:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:81138
00:01 <K2> i cant rmemeber if thats the random vault code or a new special type of room like beehives and such
00:02 <rld> <@rikersan> god bless U
00:02 <K2> hah
00:02 <Andrio> What'd it do?
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00:02 <K2> Andrio: you'd find what looked to be a deserted armor shop
00:02 <Andrio> The U, I mean
00:03 <K2> some of the armor would be ok, others rusted/corroded
00:03 <K2> oh
00:03 <Andrio> Dilapidated armouries are fun, yeah
00:03 <Andrio> Also where we learned brown puddings can eat your cloak of magic resistance to pieces.
00:03 <K2> hah yes
00:03 <K2> i didnt add that type of room to evilhack
00:03 <K2> thought about it
00:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 203 points, T:529, killed by a pseudodragon
00:04 <K2> i made owlbear nests instead
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00:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 134 points, T:595, killed by a sewer rat
00:26 <JonathanHanes> !who
00:26 <Beholder> JonathanHanes: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] Luxidream [tnnt] luxor [slshm] dragonspeaker [evil] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] plisp [nh363]
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00:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 335 points, T:567, burned by molten lava
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01:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:19041
01:26 <rld> <@Tone> !who
01:26 <Beholder> @Tone: [hdf-us] spleen [nh363] dragonspeaker [ndnh] Luxidream [tnnt] luxor [slshm] Hratt [evil] bouquet [spl] | [hdf-eu] marie [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players
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01:41 <bouquet> Andrio: regarding dlvl1 rustmonsters... the original D&D Basic box set had a beginner solo adventure where your lvl 1 fighter met the boss - a rust monster!
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01:42 <Andrio> Ah?~
01:44 <bouquet> this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_Basic_Set#1983_revision
01:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1986 points, T:2859, killed by a coyote
01:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 232 points, T:407, killed by a giant spider
02:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 4 points, T:140, killed by a jackal
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02:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 234 points, T:764, killed by a gas spore's explosion
02:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:29032
02:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 299423 points, T:29034, killed by a black dragon, while paralyzed by a monster
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02:27 <K2> :/
02:27 <K2> !lastgame Everdying
02:27 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/E/Everdying/evilhack/dumplog/1570797764.evil.html
02:27 <K2> oooh no the castle
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02:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Clk Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1976
02:45 <oh6> aaand double bones
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02:51 <K2> !who
02:51 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [tnnt] luxor [slshm] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
02:54 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers)
02:55 <K2> ^ no more out of depth random vaults in the early dungeon
02:55 <K2> and other cool neat bits
02:56 <K2> gnite all o/
02:56 <rld> <@luxidream> night K2
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03:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:18614
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04:19 <rld> <@Plisp> damnit karnac
04:20 <rld> <@Plisp> why a reflection amulet
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05:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4598 points, T:3141, killed by a gnome lord
05:26 <rld> <@FIQ> k2 never updated fh despite my tells
05:26 <rld> <@FIQ> clearly they are necessary, no matter what he thinks
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06:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:28484
07:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:29471
07:19 <FIQ> apparently fh regards extrinsic vs intrinsic telepathy the same way it deals with elemental immunities
07:19 <FIQ> so mind flayers have innate "extrinsic" telepathy
07:19 <FIQ> I forgot that I did that
07:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:30285
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07:51 <stenno> they have intrinsic extrinsic telepathy?
07:51 <stenno> also HAPPY CAPSLOCK DAY EVERYONE
07:51 <stenno> TIME TO PLAY BIG SLEX OR W?E ITS CALLED
07:51 <stenno> wait no!
07:51 <LarienTelrunya> lol hi stenno, guess which game I'm playing right now! (but didn't know that there is an allcaps day)
07:52 <{Demo}> I physically remove my caps lock keys
07:52 <stenno> capslock day was 4 days ago!!
07:52 <LarienTelrunya> why wait? I *am* indeed playing bigslex
07:52 <stenno> hi
07:52 <Beholder> Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought
07:52 <LarienTelrunya> also re:intrinsic ESP, that exists in slex too for one specific role (the extrinsic telepathy effect as an intrinsic)
07:53 <stenno> turns out the bot that reminded me of that only reminded me today because i wasn't talking in that channel for 4 days :(
07:53 <stenno> there should be a monster with intrinsic astral vision
07:54 <stenno> some kind of hypernazgul
07:54 <{Demo}> monster Astral vision isn't implemented
07:55 <stenno>  that shouldn't stop you
07:55 <{Demo}> ass turtle vision
07:59 <{Demo}> ok the weather here is pissing me off
08:00 <{Demo}> it's cold enough in the morning I want a jacket when I head out but then in a couple hours it'll be too warm for a jacket and then I have to carry it around and not forget it
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08:02 <stenno> just stay inside like me
08:10 <FIQ> stenno: basically, yeah
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08:18 <stenno> nice
08:24 <bubbles_nh> yo yo yo
08:25 <bubbles_nh> Dionysus is angry with you. ;_;
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08:39 <bubbles_nh> Just give me a bag please lord
08:39 <bubbles_nh> Or lady
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09:17 <bubbles_nh> Oops
09:17 <bubbles_nh> I made friends with the first wraithworm
09:17 <bubbles_nh> Now I can't get past
09:29 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Oh.  Lol.
09:29 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Well, the portal is still there
09:30 <rld> <@ChrisANG> You can just let yourself get blown around until you get thrown through the portal.
09:32 <bubbles_nh> Chris_ANG: that eventually worked
09:32 <bubbles_nh> I'm on Mithardir 10
09:33 <bubbles_nh> I am guessing there has to be another level after this
09:33 <bubbles_nh> But I can't find a portal :(
09:33 <Chris_ANG> Counts on fingers
09:33 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Messages from bubbles_nh and K2 have been forwarded to you privately.
09:34 <bubbles_nh> the level which is black
09:34 <Chris_ANG> No, that sounds right
09:34 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, that's the end level
09:34 <Chris_ANG> Did you find the second slab?
09:35 <bubbles_nh> I have a metallic one
09:35 <bubbles_nh> I just got "A terrible silence falls"
09:35 <bubbles_nh> full screen message
09:35 <Chris_ANG> Should have two by this point
09:35 <Chris_ANG> And that's the boss ;)
09:35 <bubbles_nh> the metallic slab with a blinding glyph This is the only one I have
09:35 <bubbles_nh> Ah is the first from one of the sand levels?
09:35 <bubbles_nh> I really hate the sand levels
09:35 <Chris_ANG> How's your DPS? You might be about to die.
09:36 <bubbles_nh> Got a master lich friend
09:36 <bubbles_nh> Can I tame the silence monster?
09:36 <Chris_ANG> And your escape items generally.
09:36 <Chris_ANG> Maybe <_<
09:36 <Chris_ANG> I think the MR is rather high.
09:37 <bubbles_nh> Ah lichmonstress killed him alread
09:37 <Chris_ANG> Actually MG_NOTAME.
09:37 <Chris_ANG> Cool :)  Wasn't sure how that was going to go.
09:37 <bubbles_nh> he dropped this the metallic slab with a cerulean glyph
09:37 <Chris_ANG> Yup, good
09:38 <bubbles_nh> this is by far away my favourite alignment quest variant by the way
09:38 <bubbles_nh> it is super creepy
09:38 <Chris_ANG> there was a third one in the circular room after the first wraithworm.
09:38 <Chris_ANG> :D
09:38 <bubbles_nh> Also my dps is basically 0
09:38 <bubbles_nh> I just sing
09:38 <bubbles_nh> I have no bag, my god hates me
09:38 <bubbles_nh> And this idiot lich keeps raising the dead, who are hostile toher.
09:39 <Chris_ANG> Yeah -_-'
09:39 <bubbles_nh> I only got more cermaic shards, no slab (the room with the two robes)?
09:40 <bubbles_nh> Also if I poly while wearing a cracked human mask will really bad things happen?
09:41 <Chris_ANG> Oh, then you must have missed the second one on the black level?
09:41 <Chris_ANG> Nah, I think it'd newman you though.
09:42 <bubbles_nh> I got two from the black level, none from anywhere else
09:42 <bubbles_nh> Well, one from the black level, one from the boss
09:42 <Chris_ANG> Huh
09:42 <Chris_ANG> Lemmy spectate you a sec.
09:42 <bubbles_nh> Okey dokey
09:43 <bubbles_nh> Thanks Chris_ANG you are thebest!
09:43 <bubbles_nh> This is where I found the first one
09:43 <Chris_ANG> Ok, yeah, so you got both slabs from this level
09:44 <Chris_ANG> Also,
09:44 <Chris_ANG> the Third Key of Chaos spawned in with the boss, so you might wanna look for it if you need/want it.
09:44 <bubbles_nh> Hmm interesting
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09:46 <bubbles_nh> Oh no
09:46 <bubbles_nh> Is he coming back????
09:46 <Chris_ANG> Also, do #monster for a sec?
09:46 <Chris_ANG> Yeah
09:46 <bubbles_nh> I didn't find the glyph that lets me do the trees yet
09:46 <bubbles_nh> oh cuss oh heck
09:46 <bubbles_nh> Ah well free exp for lichess
09:46 <BEHiker91W> Lichess is my favorite online chess server.
09:47 <bubbles_nh> OH FUCK
09:47 <BEHiker91W> But Liches are my second least favorite Nethack monster.
09:47 <Chris_ANG> :(
09:47 <bubbles_nh> cuss
09:47 <bubbles_nh> Was not watching at all
09:48 <bubbles_nh> Not a great run honestly, my pets weren't strong enough to kill one of the nymphs on the shop level in that branch
09:48 <bubbles_nh> So she robbed me blind, eventually I killed her with a /striking
09:48 <bubbles_nh> but smashed two mirrors, and made god angry
09:49 <bubbles_nh> Also Chris_ANG is there an advantage to hitting things with a bell?
09:50 <Chris_ANG> No, but it boosts... healing and clerical spells?
09:50 <Chris_ANG> Which is why you sometimes start wielding one.
09:51 <bubbles_nh> Schools I'm restricted in \o>
09:51 <bubbles_nh> okey dokey
09:53 <bubbles_nh> Also Chris_ANG does #loot a pet ina store decrease apport?
09:53 <bubbles_nh> Doesnt seem to
09:54 <Chris_ANG> No, that's one of those turbo broken things.
09:54 <Chris_ANG> The shopkeeper should probably just yell at you if you #loot or #equip in a shop.
09:54 <bubbles_nh> It makes me keep my pet around!
09:54 <bubbles_nh> Can it be tracked as unpaid?
09:55 <bubbles_nh> I guess it's weird because it "leaves" the shop
09:55 <Chris_ANG> I had some ambition to do some more proper handling, but that code is twisty enough that the best solution is the good old "the shopkeeper says you can't do that"
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09:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5746
09:57 <bubbles_nh> Also rally sometimes doesn't work
09:57 <bubbles_nh> As in, doesn't 'port the pets to me
09:57 <bubbles_nh> Maybe I need more skillz
10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 15702 points, T:5919, killed by a Grey-elf
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10:13 <Chris_ANG> Yeah its a range thing
10:14 <Chris_ANG> Magic whistles are better than rally if all you want to do is gather your pets.
10:15 <Chris_ANG> Rally is better to group up your forces in combat because the higher skill levels give them bonuses (clear status ailments, some minor healing, refreshes their special attack cooldowns)
10:17 <bubbles_nh> Ah ok
10:17 <bubbles_nh> Also Chris_ANG if I dump my cat ont he first level of sokoban is it safe to abandon him there while I do the rest of it?
10:17 <bubbles_nh> Or will he untame?
10:18 <Chris_ANG> It's safe.
10:19 <bubbles_nh> Well not that it matters
10:19 <bubbles_nh> 21 acid damage
10:19 <bubbles_nh> @d?Spotted Jelly
10:19 <Beholder> spotted jelly (j) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 0 | Res: acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 0d6 passive acid | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegan
10:20 <bubbles_nh> Clearly lies
10:20 <bubbles_nh> !lastlog
10:20 <bubbles_nh> !lastgame
10:20 <Beholder> bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spleen/nethack/dumplog/1572034883.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1572097729.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/nethack/dumplog/1572075863.nh.html
10:21 <bubbles_nh> I'mma get some lunch then do more singing!
10:21 <FIQ> !who
10:21 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] dbanethacker [tnnt] JohnKeel [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] dolores [slex] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players
10:21 <bubbles_nh> Thanks for the help Chris_ANG !
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10:22 <bubbles_nh> ACtually it is absolutely caning it down
10:22 <bubbles_nh> I'm going to order some food in \o>
10:29 <bubbles_nh> oh blessing on chris, a music shop <3
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10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:20806
10:51 <spontiff> This polytrap has generated a long worm with 456HP.  Is that normal?
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2466
10:52 <spontiff> 143 segments
10:52 <spontiff> must've been trundling around the level for a long time I guess?
10:56 <bubbles_nh> Chris_ANG: any suggestion for a chaotic orc troub first wish?
10:56 <Andrio> :o
10:56 <bubbles_nh> spontiff: long worm is loooonnnggg
10:56 <Chris_ANG> Hm
10:58 <Chris_ANG> I gotta admit that my go-to first wish for basically everything is Premium Heart.  However, long-term that's less useful for Orcs.
10:58 <Chris_ANG> And also that it's sub-optimal in a lot of cases.
10:59 <Chris_ANG> Grey Dragon Scale Mail is also a solid wish, because MR is very important.
10:59 <Chris_ANG> (Or a CoMR)
11:00 <bubbles_nh> But I get mR at 15
11:01 <bubbles_nh> And quest arti, which is greedy I know
11:01 <bubbles_nh> I'm XL10
11:01 <bubbles_nh> I also found lance of longinus in a shop
11:01 <bubbles_nh> Whcih is suuuper temping to go with
11:01 <bubbles_nh> throne archon worth?
11:02 <Chris_ANG> Maybe, yeah.  This is a Candle wish?
11:02 <bubbles_nh> Yessir
11:03 <Chris_ANG> Do you have your first gift yet?
11:03 <bubbles_nh> Nope
11:04 <bubbles_nh> Using grimtooth \o/
11:04 <bubbles_nh> got [str
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11:04 <Chris_ANG> Oh, so no need for Premium Heart then probably.
11:05 <bubbles_nh> aye
11:05 <Chris_ANG> Probably throne archon, yeah.
11:06 <bubbles_nh> Sunsword 
11:06 <bubbles_nh> could be worse
11:06 <Chris_ANG> Oh, for Candles you should use the... summon?... option if you're getting a pet.
11:06 <bubbles_nh> Oh!
11:06 <bubbles_nh> Did not know that, awesome thanks
11:07 <Chris_ANG> (Avoids the chance of a figurine turning out hostile/tame)
11:07 <Chris_ANG> NOT the demon lord option ;)
11:07 <bubbles_nh> That's the worst
11:07 <bubbles_nh> Are the demon lords peaceful?
11:07 <Chris_ANG> NOPE!
11:08 <Chris_ANG> If you know which ones have artifacts, you can summon one and kill it for its artifact.
11:08 <bubbles_nh> yep
11:08 <bubbles_nh> I want another +8 8 headed lolth whip!!!
11:08 <Chris_ANG> Bael is popular bc Genocide is off the hook.
11:08 <bubbles_nh> That's like 8d3 + 8 + 8d20?
11:08 <bubbles_nh> [silver]
11:09 <bubbles_nh> Mmm demo/riker was trying to sell me on genocide
11:09 <Chris_ANG> I think it's limited to 7 heads hitting at once due to the size of the variable used to track how many are striking.
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11:09 <bubbles_nh> Ah fair enough
11:09 <bubbles_nh> 7d3 + 8 + 7d20 is still insane
11:09 <bubbles_nh> And it is +15 to-hit or soemthing
11:09 <Chris_ANG> However, the 8-headed version is *more likely* to hit 7 times.
11:10 <Chris_ANG> And yup, pretty nuts :)
11:10 <bubbles_nh> Is it always 8-headed?
11:10 <Chris_ANG> Lolth's is, yeah.
11:10 <bubbles_nh> that + miska was pretty fun
11:10 <bubbles_nh> My only ascension
11:10 <bubbles_nh> Also just got mithrandir again, just rng?
11:10 <Chris_ANG> Yup
11:11 <Chris_ANG> On local I'm playing a Binder who happened to find the Staff of Twelve Mirrors on the Neutral Quest.
11:11 <Chris_ANG> I think for once I *won't* be using Miska in the endgame, that thing has DPS enough :D
11:12 <bubbles_nh> What instead though?
11:12 <bubbles_nh> Chronos?
11:12 <bubbles_nh> Cosmos
11:12 <bubbles_nh> For the tame cthullu!
11:12 <bubbles_nh> Is cthullu rideable?
11:13 <Chris_ANG> Possibly Nudzirath+Cloak of the Unheld One.
11:13 <Chris_ANG> I don't think so.
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11:14 <Chris_ANG> Hm.  Though actually I have Mithardir, so I could do the HP pool to try to keep some pets alive XD
11:14 <bubbles_nh> Chris_ANG: Pets won't attach long worm tails
11:14 <bubbles_nh> HP Pool
11:15 <bubbles_nh> ?*
11:16 <Chris_ANG> The passive power of the Chaotic quest spirit for Mithardir is to average your HP with your pets HP every step.
11:16 <Chris_ANG> Which has the effect of pooling all your HP together.
11:16 <bubbles_nh> Ahhhh
11:17 <bubbles_nh> Also what is it that unlocks the alignment thing?
11:17 <bubbles_nh> is it like Nth key of each quest
11:17 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, the 2nd.
11:17 <Chris_ANG> (Which is why the 2nd keys have the "etched" appearance)
11:18 <bubbles_nh> oh cuss off
11:18 <bubbles_nh> I just got the lance
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11:19 <bubbles_nh> Ah ok Chris_ANG , I screwed up one game by using one of the 2nd on the gehennmo doors
11:19 <bubbles_nh> before getting the other 2nd
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11:22 <Umbire> phhhbbhhbbt lost my monk because I went for prayer over grabbing a full-heal potion out of my bag
11:22 <Umbire> apparently <20/100 HP isn't enough for my god to heal me
11:22 <Umbire> also apparently, my IRC client decided holding a connection was more of a fairweather suggestion than anything else
11:23 <Umbire> but never mind that, how's y'all
11:24 <Chris_ANG> You should get it if you've ever picked up all three 2nd keys, they don't have to all be in your inventory at the same time.
11:28 <bubbles_nh> Strange!
11:28 <rld> <@Umby> Hi Bubs
11:28 <bubbles_nh> hey umby
11:29 <rld> <@Umby> I swear if CIRC drops connection one more time
11:29 <bubbles_nh> If longworm zombies keep coming back is there a dread seraph around?
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11:30 <Umbire_> wonderful, play store search results can't even be organized properly
11:31 <Umbire_> chromeOS can eat glass and die
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11:33 <rld> <@Umby> Wow, it didn't even make it to the third message I sent this time
11:33 <rld> <@Umby> https://ibb.co/m4cwgJm
11:34 <bubbles_nh> poor umbywumby
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11:35 <rld> <@Umby> in any case, off to start another monk, will probably be afk at the rate this is acting up
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11:36 <rld> <@Umby> wish me luck
11:36 <FIQ> !tell K2 Magic Mirror of Merlin confers total (vanilla-style) reflection
11:36 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
11:37 <FIQ> !tell K2 buffed mirror in fiqhack
11:37 <Beholder> K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ.
11:37 <K2> k
11:37 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-26 11:36 EDT: Magic Mirror of Merlin confers total (vanilla-style) reflection
11:37 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-26 11:37 EDT: buffed mirror in fiqhack
11:38 <bubbles_nh> Chris_ANG: !!!!!!!
11:38 <bubbles_nh> ┬ The Throne Archon struggles to breath!  The Throne Archon looks sick!                    Bubbles the J The Throne Archon is killed by the dust cloud!           
11:38 <bubbles_nh> What in tarnation???
11:38 <bubbles_nh> Archons don't breathe
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11:40 <K2> [backscroll] FIQ i updated fiqhack yesterday
11:40 <FIQ> ah
11:40 <FIQ> you never mentioned it
11:40 <FIQ> so I figured you didn't
11:40 <K2> pretty sure i did
11:40 <K2> consult the logs!
11:40 <bubbles_nh> The oracleogs
11:40 <FIQ> the oraclogs
11:41 <K2> i did at 17:40 hrs EST yesterday
11:41 <FIQ> what is that in UTC
11:41 <Umbire> hi K2
11:41 <K2> 21:40 to you peasants 
11:41 <K2> that lkie UTC
11:42 <K2> :P
11:42 <FIQ> in that case you did not update the last changes
11:42 <K2> hiya Umbire
11:42 <FIQ> which I !told you about
11:42 <K2> well I ah...
11:42 <K2> um...
11:42 <K2> I had to...
11:42 <K2> errrrrrrrr
11:42 <FIQ> so clearly I do need to continue !telling you harder :)
11:42 <K2> OK ok... please dont beat me again FIQ
11:43 * FIQ brandishes a wand of striking
11:43 <K2> just dont hit the money maker
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Val Ang Fem Cha) killed Jueblex, on T:15737
11:43 <FIQ> umbridge
11:44 <rld> <@Umby> Yeah, fuck this.
11:45 <rld> <@Umby> I go idle for any amount of time and it just chugs piss and dies
11:45 <K2> set a keepalive
11:45 <K2> FIQ: i updated fiqhack on 2of 3 servers. you have to guess which ones
11:45 <K2> :P
11:45 <FIQ> not EU
11:46 <K2> dingding
11:46 <rld> <@Umby> Keepalive, huh.
11:46 <K2> Bob, tell 'em what prize he's won
11:46 <rld> <@Umby> How to do so
11:47 <K2> @Umby what are you using to connect to irc
11:47 <rld> <@Umby> CIRC
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11:47 <rld> <@Umby> This is a Chromebook, as a reminder to my eternal chagrin
11:47 <K2> ah i see
11:48 <Chris_ANG> Whoops, yeah, that's dangerous.  Archons do breath.
11:48 <Chris_ANG> And the big clouds are *very* dangerous.
11:48 <rld> <@Umby> No real options beyond adding channels and servers and hiding the list
11:48 <K2> @Umby i dont know, i have zero experiance on chromebook platform
11:48 <rld> <@Umby> I can do commands as normal
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11:49 <K2> you could look at using a terminal based irc client like weechat
11:49 <FIQ> isn't chromebooks supposed to run some kind of linux
11:49 <FIQ> or at least unix
11:49 <K2> i thought ya
11:49 <FIQ> can't you get weechat running on it
11:49 <K2> or maybe its android platform
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1800
11:50 <K2> FIQhack updated (all servers)
11:50 <rld> <@Umby> It's Android-based, though there's the option for a Linux beta
11:50 <rld> <@Umby> If I don't mind it eating the ridiculously limited space this thing has
11:50 <K2> !tell FIQ I just updated fiqhack on all hdf servers
11:50 <Beholder> I'm on it, K2.
11:50 <FIQ> !tell K2 got it
11:50 <Beholder> FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-26 11:50 EDT: I just updated fiqhack on all hdf servers
11:50 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
11:50 <rld> <@Umby> because it's dependent on Drive for space because cLoUd CoMpUtInG
11:50 <rld> <@Umby> or some such nonsense.
11:51 <FIQ> cloud computing isn't evil
11:51 <FIQ> but there's no reason to apply the "when you have a hammer..." approach to it
11:51 <rld> <@Umby> that's what I'm saying
11:51 <K2> the cloud is fancy ftp :P
11:51 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-26 11:50 EDT: got it
11:52 <FIQ> the cloud is rainy
11:52 <rld> <@Umby> anyway, searching weechat in the appstore just brings be the WeChat app first
11:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Tuckins (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2489
11:52 <rld> <@Umby> with what I'm sure is the actual weechat you mean second
11:52 <FIQ> yeah I did not mean WeChat
11:53 <rld> <@Umby> obviously
11:53 <Umbire> oh look, CIRC decided to behave again
11:53 <Umbire> too late, legit tired of this nonsense
11:53 <Umbire> I need it up anyway to copy the channel list
11:54 <rld> <@Umby> anyway, time to fiddle with this weechat thing
11:54 <rld> <@Umby> what do
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11:54 <K2> wipe that chromebook and install <flavor of linux here> on it
11:54 <rld> <@Umby> later
11:55 <rld> <@Umby> I just want a stable IRC client for the moment
11:55 <rld> <@Umby> I'm already planning on getting this replaced, will probably consider that then
11:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2295
11:56 <rld> <@Umby> right now I wanna see how this weechat thing works
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Val Ang Fem Cha), 284455 points, T:16083, killed by a cowardly attack on her breasts
11:56 <LarienTelrunya> !lastgame dolores
11:56 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1571765984.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1562088647.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1569763424.slex.txt
11:56 <rld> <@Umby> that sure is a death message.
11:57 <rld> <@Umby> totally indicative of the fact that a volcano lemming actually shredded her to pieces
11:58 <K2> 'volcano lemming'
11:58 <FIQ> Umbire: http://home.fiq.se/weechat.png
11:58 <FIQ> my weechat setup is fancy :3
11:58 <rld> <@Umby> sure looks it
11:59 <rld> <@Umby> iunno if I can reach this level of fancy on an android derivative dressed up as a bootleg mac
11:59 <rld> <@Umby> but I'll damn well try
12:00 <rld> <@Umby> what's your connection type for starters
12:01 <K2> https://github.com/ubergeek42/weechat-android
12:02 <FIQ> I don't even know what connection type means
12:02 <FIQ> weechat is an IRC client
12:02 <FIQ> IRC is all it does
12:02 <FIQ> do you mean like, whether to use ssl or not?
12:03 <rld> <@Umby> Yeah
12:04 <FIQ> I don't use ssh since I connect to znc locally, but since you don't plan on doing this, I suggest SSL
12:04 <FIQ> some channels have a flag that demands it by you
12:04 <FIQ> (this channel isn't one of them)
12:04 <FIQ> er
12:04 <FIQ> *ssl
12:04 <FIQ> not ssh lol
12:05 <rld> <@Umby> Right, not standalone client so
12:05 <rld> <@Umby> this is probably a lost cause for what I'm trying to do anyway
12:05 <rld> <@Umby> lol
12:05 <rld> <@Umby> I'll probably just backpocket stuff on weechat for later
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 74 points, T:1276, zapped himself with a wand
12:07 <bubbles_nh> pfft
12:07 <bubbles_nh> I blame Chris_ANG entirely for killing my archon
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12:11 <Chris_ANG> Not a bug, however, at some point better countermeasures for the dust clouds will be implemented.
12:12 <Umbire> When was it that you decided Archons would no longer be breathless, though?
12:12 <Umbire> Genuine question
12:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1695 points, T:2820, killed by a paper golem
12:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:76309
12:14 <Chris_ANG> Long time ago, I think.
12:16 <Chris_ANG> Er, vanilla Archons also breathe?
12:16 <Umbire> Do they?
12:16 <Chris_ANG> According to the wiki, at least?
12:17 <Chris_ANG> Unless I'm misreading the wiki, which has been known to happen XD
12:17 <Umbire> Wiki has no mention of it at all
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12:17 <hdf-guest-89> hah holy shit
12:17 <hdf-guest-89> this works again
12:17 <hdf-guest-89> \o/
12:17 <hdf-guest-89> <--- K2
12:17 <Chris_ANG> Compare that to the Lich page, which explicitly lists "does not breathe" in the attributes
12:18 <Chris_ANG> Ah XD
12:18 <Umbire> They're not on the breathless page so at the least I seem to have confused 'breathless' with 'inediate'
12:18 <hdf-guest-89> Umbire could use this now
12:18 <Umbire> whee
12:18 <K2> hardfought.org/irc
12:19 <K2> jeeeez this had been down for months
12:19 <K2> better late than never i suppose
12:19 <Umbire> in any case there's no mention of it in either direction on the Archon page
12:19 <Umbire> so one has to assume it does breathe
12:20 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, breathing is the default state, and breathless is the special attribute.
12:20 -!- hdf-guest-89 is now known as K2-eviltwin
12:20 <K2-eviltwin> muhahah
12:21 <Chris_ANG> "Breathes but doesn't eat" is according to my rough understanding correct for angels, spiritually speaking.
12:21 <Umbire> Lol
12:21 <K2-eviltwin> (y) 
12:21 <Umbire> Sounds about right
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12:22 * FIQ zaps K2-eviltwin with a wand of death!
12:22 <K2> heh
12:23 <Chris_ANG> Breathing was believed to be connected to the presence of a soul in the body, or something.
12:23 <K2> whew glad thats fixed
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Tuckins (Val Hum Fem Law), 8646 points, T:4737, killed by a straw golem, while reading a book
12:23 <FIQ> Chris_ANG: so vampirese have no soul?
12:23 <FIQ> *vampires
12:23 <Chris_ANG> See for reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneuma, "Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul"."
12:24 <Umbire> neat
12:24 <bubbles_nh> FINE
12:24 <bubbles_nh> Grumble
12:24 <bubbles_nh> And L pets are annoying
12:24 <Umbire> ????
12:24 <bubbles_nh> because of the raise dead thing
12:24 <Chris_ANG> dNh is very confused about what does and doesn't have souls, and what breathing means, spiritually speaking.
12:24 <bubbles_nh> Yolo
12:24 * FIQ equips his water gun with bubbles_nh
12:24 <Umbire> dnethack prob. isn't intended to be the most spiritual of games :B
12:25 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, not so much.  At least, not in an internally consistent way XD.
12:25 <Umbire> haha
12:26 * FIQ shoots bubbles_nh at K2
12:26 <FIQ> !who
12:26 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [nh363] Arimja [nh363] zblargles [nh363] mosen [nh363] JohnKeel [tnnt] deadnoob [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] Grouchy [evil] Hratt [evil] Tuckins [nh343] karibou [gh] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 958 points, T:1949, killed by a gnomish wizard, while sleeping
12:27 <rld> <@luxidream> mmom perfect reflection?
12:27 <rld> <@luxidream> what the fiq
12:27 <Umbire> Hi Luxi
12:27 * FIQ considers recoloring the FIQHack logo to cyan
12:27 <FIQ> to differ it from NitroHack, NetHack4, Fourk and DynaHack
12:28 <FIQ> @luxidream Too strong?
12:28 <rld> <@luxidream> I like it
12:28 <FIQ> I considered removing MR from it
12:28 <FIQ> But didn't
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12:28 <FIQ> Not sure how I feel about messing with quest artifact MR because I want MR to not be a mandatory trinsic in general
12:29 <luxidream> but it is?
12:29 <FIQ> Yeah...
12:29 <FIQ> Kinda
12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:34610
12:30 <FIQ> Wands of death is the biggest problem
12:30 <bubbles_nh> I really don't get the "1.5 base damage" energy bonus words
12:30 <FIQ> but MR does a lot of things
12:30 <FIQ> that it probably shouldn't
12:30 <FIQ> like protect against polymorph traps
12:33 <luxidream> well, if you didn't have MR
12:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1819 points, T:2977, killed by a gray unicorn
12:33 <luxidream> protecting against polytraps would also be mandatory
12:35 <luxidream> Hi Umby 
12:35 <FIQ> hmm
12:35 <FIQ> the Heart still kinda sucks
12:35 <FIQ> but at least it isn't worthless
12:36 <luxidream> people always say vanilla heart is worthless
12:36 <luxidream> but isn't levitation part of every asc kit?
12:36 <FIQ> I'm considering making MKoT give you immunity to traps
12:37 <Umbire> Yeah but you could get that from boots
12:37 <Umbire> ring
12:37 <Umbire> spell
12:37 <Umbire> potion
12:38 <FIQ> it's not literally useless
12:38 <Umbire> Also MKoT is a pretty great anti-trap measure as is honetly
12:38 <FIQ> but it's easily the worst quest artifact in the game
12:38 <FIQ> possibly with the exception of the longbow
12:38 <luxidream> vanilla tsurugi isn't great
12:39 <FIQ> fh doesn't make the tsurugi do much more but did buff damage
12:39 <FIQ> and made it effectively immune to cursing by the invoke effect
12:39 <luxidream> it should at least be competitive with two weaponing to be considered as a weapon
12:40 <luxidream> which I think it is in fh? didn't do the math
12:40 <FIQ> it does double damage
12:41 <FIQ> that reminds me
12:41 <Umbire> yeah ToM isn't much to write home about but it's not as potentially redundant  as HoA
12:41 <FIQ> with twoweapon you can wield 2 +7 weapons
12:41 <FIQ> for +14
12:41 <Umbire> stealth and levitation aren't exactly difficult to come by
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12:41 <FIQ> I'm considering doing something like that for two-handed weapons, but to a lesser extent
12:41 <FIQ> make enchantment count as x1.6 or similar
12:41 <Umbire> LoD does give reflection, but so do many other things, and it's not like you'll be hurting for arrows as a ranger
12:42 <Umbire> Oh it gives carried tele
12:42 <Umbire> that's actually okayish
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12:42 <FIQ> so a +7 weapon basically becomes a +11 weapon
12:42 <FIQ> if two-handed
12:42 <BEHiker91W> The Heart gives double damage. Other double damage artifacts like Swandy and Frosty and the Staff os Aesculapius are the most lusted after artifacts in the game.
12:43 <luxidream> lol
12:43 <luxidream> FIQ: that might actually make cleaver good lol
12:43 <Umbire> that's double damage when you sling it
12:43 <Umbire> which begs the obvious question
12:43 <luxidream> right now excal and cleaver have the same average damage
12:43 <luxidream> which is silly
12:44 <FIQ> luxidream: it should also make tsurugi truly the best performant weapon
12:44 <Umbire> why you would sling any luckstone let alone an artifact one is beyond me
12:44 <Umbire> lol
12:44 <FIQ> I think it mostly is atm as-is, but I think grays+katana still performs better with both being +7
12:46 <luxidream> Umbire: not even that, but you can't enchant the heart of ahriman lol
12:46 <Umbire> lul
12:48 <Umbire> the bow's problem meanwhile, besides its invocation not being much use, is there's artifacts that could easily serve as better sources of telepathy and/or reflection
12:49 <Umbire> well, mostly telepathy
12:49 <FIQ> !tell K2 two-handed weapons now get a x1.6 bonus to enchantment for damage
12:49 <Beholder> I'm on it, FIQ.
12:49 <luxidream> the bow's problem is it's a bow
12:49 <Umbire> also that
12:49 <luxidream> if it were a long sword I see no issues with it :P
12:49 <Umbire> non-humie rangers get boned out of their racial launcher bonuses
12:49 <Umbire> pls
12:51 <Umbire> it wouldn't solve every single problem, but generating the LoD as a bow that matches that player character's race might be a start
12:51 <BEHiker91W> Yeah, an orc or elf ranger is going to be bummed to get a human bow.
12:51 <FIQ> fh buffed it yesterday
12:51 <FIQ> it gets +1 multishot
12:51 <BEHiker91W> Also, there are no elf and orc arrows coming out of that thing.
12:51 <FIQ> so it can compete with racial bows now
12:51 <BEHiker91W> Oh, good news.
12:51 <FIQ> (and is in fact superior to them due to the other buffs I gave it)
12:52 <Umbire> that's goot
12:52 <Umbire> good*
12:52 <BEHiker91W> That is a yuge bonus for humon Rangers that used to suffer without multi-shot, isn't it?
12:52 <Umbire> the other thing you'd have to do, speaking in terms of 'fixing' vanilla LoD, is to give it a more "relevant" invocation
12:53 <FIQ> Umbire | Also MKoT is a pretty great anti-trap measure as is honetly
12:53 <Umbire> like I said, you're rarely hurting for arrows
12:53 <FIQ> doesn't it just have an invoke-for-untrap effect?
12:53 <Umbire> FIQ, not to say it CAN'T be improved period
12:53 <BEHiker91W> And arrows need to be enchanted in bunches to be worthwhile.
12:53 <Umbire> but also hold on
12:54 <Umbire> Starting in 3.6.1, the Key has additional effects, all of which only take place if it's blessed (non-cursed for Rogues).[3] Firstly, locking or unlocking a trapped door or container with the Key automatically detects and offers to remove the trap[4] (this is guaranteed to succeed). In the inventory of a monster, the Key will also untrap any door the monster is trying to open.[5] Secondly, untrapping doors and chests manuall
12:54 <FIQ> this is what I've done for less useful quest artifacts so far
12:54 <FIQ> Buffed some quest artifacts
12:54 <FIQ> The Longbow of Diana gets +1 multishot, always safely returns arrows, prevents arrows from mulching
12:54 <FIQ> The Heart of Ahriman is now a ruby (it still confers luck), confers slotless displacement and flying, makes you completely immune to item cursing and can be invoked for persistent monster detection
12:54 <FIQ> Magic Mirror of Merlin confers total reflection (like in vanilla, dragons and skilled+ wands can't bypass it)
12:54 <Umbire> It DOES have an invoke to remove traps
12:55 <rld> <@rikersan> hm that buff to the longbow kinda nukes the invoke
12:55 <rld> <@rikersan> since basically just get 10 or so blessed +7 silver arrows
12:55 <Umbire> bit redundant but the MKoT is good so it isn't as obtrusive
12:55 <FIQ> @rikersan yeah, I left it alone because I wasn't sure what to replace it with
12:55 <Umbire> and yeah, that's what I was saying before
12:55 <FIQ> I was considering a temporary +1 multishot boost as invoke effect
12:55 <rld> <@rikersan> possibly an invoke to summon the arrows back?
12:55 <rld> <@rikersan> and remove the auto return
12:55 <FIQ> uhh
12:55 <FIQ> oh
12:55 <rld> <@rikersan> it can still block mulching maybe
12:56 <FIQ> I don't like it
12:56 <rld> <@rikersan> yea it seems clunky
12:56 <FIQ> because invokes can't be done that often
12:56 <Umbire> once you've given non-human rangers an incentive to potentially forego racial launcher bonuses or else provide something on par with them
12:56 <FIQ> and it'd be really annoying
12:56 <Umbire> you have to fix the invoke effect
12:56 <Umbire> which is its own battle
12:56 <FIQ> Umbire: fiqhack has 3.4.3 MKoT
12:56 <FIQ> which doesn't do that
12:57 <Umbire> ah
12:57 <FIQ> but I prefer simply making you immune to traps
12:57 <FIQ> no added prompts, etc
12:57 <Umbire> I'm talking vanilly arties lol
12:57 <FIQ> fair
12:57 <Umbire> but yeah that *might* be a worthwhile equivalent
12:57 <Umbire> since 3.4.3 var(?)
12:58 <BEHiker91W> Rubies do 1d3 damage but luckstones do 1d6 damage. Doubled that's 2xd3 v 2xd6. Turning the Heart into a Ruby is nerfing it.
12:59 <Umbire> that assumes people sling their luckstones on a regular basis
12:59 <Umbire> and why would you be slinging luckstones
12:59 <rld> <@rikersan> you can engrave elb I guess
12:59 <Umbire> let alone artifacts
12:59 <bubbles_nh> umbire for funs
12:59 <Umbire> last I checked you normally wanna hold on to those
12:59 <Umbire> :B
13:00 <Umbire> bubbles_nh: yeah but "nerf" implies people actually do that regularly outside of memes
13:00 <luxidream> can artifact ammo mulch lol
13:00 <FIQ> the ruby thing was purely flavour
13:00 <Umbire> as a viable strategy
13:00 <luxidream> the important part is that rubies are cooler
13:00 <FIQ> I looked at the source for inspiration of what to give it
13:01 <FIQ> and apparently it's a red gem
13:01 <FIQ> hence a ruby
13:01 <BEHiker91W> I use my luckstones about once every 600 turns.
13:01 <rld> <@rikersan> I'd argue that a seldom used engraving would be better than double dmg
13:01 <Umbire> so does everyone with a luckstone
13:01 <Umbire> and they usually don't have to chuck them eithe
13:01 <Umbire> either*
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Tuckins (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:770
13:04 <bubbles_nh> You don't have a stack of luckstones to sling?
13:04 <bubbles_nh> Strange
13:05 <Umbire> lol
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:38790
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3414
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38800
13:06 <APic> !PoM
13:06 <Beholder> APic: The moon is new for 4 more days.
13:06 <Pinkbeast> ]
13:06 <Umbire> Greetings o pink one
13:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:38837
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13:16 <bubbles_nh> team a \o/
13:16 <Umbire> wew
13:17 <bubbles_nh> Technically it was a priest of moloch but
13:18 <Umbire> Good ol' summon insects
13:18 <rld> <@rikersan> temple of moloch is hard unless you let the hezrous kill them
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13:18 <rld> <@rikersan> the passive stinking clouds can generally wipe them out if you wait long enough
13:19 <bubbles_nh> Usually I'm good but yolo
13:19 <bubbles_nh> They earthquaked me
13:19 <bubbles_nh> And I got stucked
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:81908
13:19 <bubbles_nh> Ooooh
13:19 <bubbles_nh> go go riker<3
13:19 <rld> <@rikersan> oh my fuckign god
13:20 <rld> <@rikersan> guess who forgot portal detection
13:21 <bubbles_nh> :3
13:22 <Cevn> oh no
13:22 <bubbles_nh> Just use Thief's insticts
13:22 <bubbles_nh> and detect path
13:22 <bubbles_nh> oh wait
13:22 <bubbles_nh> :(
13:22 <bubbles_nh> Sorry
13:22 <bubbles_nh> I am idiot
13:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:40901
13:24 <rld> <@rikersan> nevermind secret door detection CARRIED
13:24 <rld> <@rikersan> first room I tried in earth? portal
13:24 <rld> <@rikersan> zapped twice on air? portal
13:24 <rld> <@rikersan> found a random spot and zapped on fire? portal
13:24 <rld> <@rikersan> I had one gold detection left for water
13:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law) destroyed Death, on T:82026
13:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Pestilence, on T:82080
13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Fem Law), 6120747 points, T:82095, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1571875718.dnh.txt
13:28 <bubbles_nh> gh!
13:29 <bubbles_nh> gj!
13:29 <Cevn> nice
13:29 <Cevn> that was fsat
13:29 <bubbles_nh> I hear that a lot..
13:30 <FIQ> !tell K2 MKoT protects the one carrying it from traps
13:30 <Beholder> K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ.
13:31 <Cevn> sorry bubbles 
13:31 <Umbire> GG rikersan!
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13:32 <bouquet> high five rikersan
13:33 <bouquet> I get a lot of "program in disorder" in splice.  Am I going to be able to complete an ascension with so much disorder?
13:34 <FIQ> what if orb of detection gave you a perfect record of object memory?
13:34 <FIQ> as in
13:34 <FIQ> if you're carrying it, you get perfect object location knowledge
13:34 <Pinkbeast> If this is "of objects you've seen", not detection of unseen objects, what if the game just did that?
13:35 <FIQ> Pinkbeast: the game already does
13:35 <FIQ> in fiqhack
13:35 <Pinkbeast> OIC
13:35 <FIQ> I was suggesting the orb giving you omniscence in terms of knowing where objects are
13:35 <FIQ> *omniscience
13:36 <Umbire> basically high-skilled detect monster
13:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3191 points, T:5800, killed by a Green-elf
13:36 <Umbire> but for items
13:37 <FIQ> anyway
13:37 <FIQ> I was thinking either the above
13:37 <Pinkbeast> I think it's worth asking how aa
13:37 <FIQ> or make the invoke effect allow you to do an omniscient ctrl+f
13:38 <FIQ> how aa?
13:38 <Pinkbeast> Fat fingers, sorry, this train is a bit not-smooth riding
13:39 <rld> <@luxidream> omniscient control+f?
13:39 <FIQ> Ctrl+F is "search for remembered objects"
13:39 <Pinkbeast> How often would the player gain a notable advantage by object clairvoyance? A desperate need to get to the Castle wand quickly? I guess, knowing about goodies on Gehennom levels you don't want to explore.
13:39 <rld> <@luxidream> how does that include floors you haven't visited yet
13:39 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles, umbire, bouquet: thanks
13:39 <FIQ> @luxidream It does not
13:40 <Pinkbeast> Unseen objects on the current level turning up in Ctrl-F would seem a plausible implementation, though
13:40 <rld> <@rikersan> cevn: the planes or the game? :p the game was not, the planes I got hella lucky with portals (thankfully, since I was using secret door detection to look for thm)
13:40 <FIQ> Pinkbeast: if I did the latter, I'd give it perfect knowledge
13:40 <FIQ> ctrl+f searches across the whole dungeon
13:41 <rld> <@rikersan> I generally try to speedrun dnh's earth, wind & fire planes at least because of the high-level angels that occasionally appear
13:41 <FIQ> for objects and traps
13:42 <Pinkbeast> But can you, as in Crawl, do Ctrl-F and supply a rune that means "all objects on this level"?
13:42 <FIQ> You can't specify current level no
13:42 <FIQ> You can of course search for " "
13:43 <FIQ> and pick out the current level in the resulting list
13:43 <Pinkbeast> Because that's what I'd want - enter a Gehennom level, Ctrl-F '.', review the list for stuff that's worth recovering.
13:43 <FIQ> I could implement that in general probably
13:43 <bubbles_nh> riker I hate fire + weepign angels
13:43 <bubbles_nh> Because they can see you from forever away
13:43 <bubbles_nh> :-\
13:43 <FIQ> make ctrl+f . display everything (that you remember) on the level
13:44 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: reflection :p
13:44 <rld> <@rikersan> suryas are the worst on fire, and sunflowers
13:44 <rld> <@rikersan> sunflowers are just annoying but suryas can be hella bad
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> but my least fav angel on the planes is definitely trumpet archons - summon spawn much?
13:45 <bubbles_nh> I think when I was binder I didn't have refl
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah I've done monks like that, not fun
13:45 <bubbles_nh> Never saw a trumpet! <3
13:45 <rld> <@rikersan> they're pretty rare, not sure why, I think they're actually underleveled for what they should be? (and they're only generated in a couple places so your'e unlikely to see them)
13:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Tuckins (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 10772 points, T:3356, killed by a tiger, while frozen by a monster's gaze
13:46 <rld> <@rikersan> I've gotten one from converting altars before I think
13:50 <bubbles_nh> Should I carry on sac spamming?
13:50 <bubbles_nh> or just stuck with clever?
13:50 <rld> <@rikersan> I'd do it, booze is helpful to chug in general and you can probably find enough dwarves
13:51 <rld> <@rikersan> once you start starving to death keep going until the luckstone and come back for more :)
13:51 <bubbles_nh> Gleh
13:51 <rld> <@rikersan> that's really funny depending on where you are
13:52 <bubbles_nh> Life drain protect is only when wield I guess
13:52 <rld> <@rikersan> also it's not a bad weapon, you can use it in melee I think
13:53 <bubbles_nh> d6/d10 + 1
13:53 <bubbles_nh> hmm
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43119
13:53 <bubbles_nh> Guess good for pounding
13:53 <rld> <@rikersan> +d8 life drain
13:53 * NCommander throws a bunch of C at LarienTelrunya 
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Tuckins (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 140 points, T:269, killed by a dwarf
13:54 <rld> <@rikersan> in total i'ts not as good as cleaver but you can pound
13:54 <NCommander> I hate summoning storms, esp. if they make the game lag
13:54 <bubbles_nh> How many times can you charge bot?
13:54 <bubbles_nh> BoT
13:54 <rld> <@rikersan> infinite
13:54 <rld> <@rikersan> you can't get much skill in polearm, hm, i'ts probably useless really (other than using the invoke in a pinch?)
13:55 <bubbles_nh> Yeah invoke for prot
13:55 <bubbles_nh> *shrug*
13:55 <bubbles_nh> Got 8 booze
13:55 <rld> <@rikersan> nah, invoke for nuking
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13:55 <rld> <@rikersan> it's funny but useless mostly
13:56 <bubbles_nh> If I get a wraith or vampire I am a bit safer though
13:56 <bubbles_nh> Might do the first few floors of windowless tower
13:56 <rld> <@rikersan> cereberus might clap you fair warning
13:56 <rld> <@rikersan> fire resistance first? :p
13:57 <bubbles_nh> I usually just waitround the corner
13:57 <bubbles_nh> and he doesn't seem to breathe in melee
13:57 <bubbles_nh> (which he absolutely should)
13:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7906 points, T:3702, killed by a soldier ant
13:59 <Umbire> Go team a!
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14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed master key of thievery", on T:45016
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14:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha), 16751 points, T:3158, killed by a thrown potion
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed bag of holding", on T:22404
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha), 544 points, T:7, killed by a monster (elven mage called Keytu Framer)
14:16 <FIQ> bubbles_nh: all tools except for markers can be charged indefinitely
14:17 <bubbles_nh> Ah thanks FIQ!
14:17 <bubbles_nh> Also evil idea: reduce corpse rate based on hunger
14:18 <FIQ> the game doesn't do that already? :P
14:18 <FIQ> (feels like it sometimes)
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Brd Hum Fem Neu), 753 points, T:1180, killed by a gnome
14:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:22715
14:26 <bubbles_nh> Poor dragonspeaker
14:26 <bubbles_nh> I sometimes come across his corpses
14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Wim Fem Cha), 12500 points, T:188, killed by a monster (eel-lizard)
14:29 <Umbire> but do they have sick loot
14:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Pie Fem Cha), 12355 points, T:31, killed by a monster (foll orc)
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14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Inc Mal Non), 24470 points, T:8760, killed by a gnome lord
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14:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Pie Fem Cha), 1454 points, T:772, poisoned by a pestyblob
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15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) had a long sword named Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:25942
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 944 points, T:760, killed by a bat
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15:14 <bubbles_nh> Yo
15:15 <bubbles_nh> Finding artifacts everywher :s
15:15 <rld> <@rikersan> donate them to the unknown god
15:15 <rld> <@rikersan> and anything good?
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:26140
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15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 80 points, T:193, killed by a kobold
15:16 <bubbles_nh> vorpal Balde
15:16 <bubbles_nh> Which is ok I guess
15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) had a silver saber named Werebane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:26186
15:16 <bubbles_nh> But Cleaver probs still better
15:18 <rld> <@rikersan> no vorpal blade is way better
15:18 <rld> <@rikersan> use vorpal
15:18 <bubbles_nh> Really?
15:18 <bubbles_nh> It's 2d8?
15:18 <rld> <@rikersan> it's 2d8 / 2d12 + behading
15:18 <rld> <@rikersan> and it's one-handed
15:18 <bubbles_nh> Versus 2d8+2d4
15:18 <rld> <@rikersan> but without beheading and for one hand more
15:19 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean cleaver is a tad bit more damage but it's not worth it imo
15:19 <bubbles_nh> What amI going to use my other hand for?
15:19 <bubbles_nh> (at the moment)
15:19 <bubbles_nh> Agree 100% later
15:19 <rld> <@rikersan> find yourself a dagger and start training two weaponing?
15:20 <bubbles_nh> Fair dos
15:20 <bubbles_nh> So late game I should be 2weapon?
15:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of cloth walking shoes entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:5751
15:20 <bubbles_nh> I think barbs should get a 2h skill instead of 2weapon
15:20 <bubbles_nh> prove me wrong
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15:20 <rld> <@rikersan> nah, late game you should have a green dragon shield
15:20 <rld> <@rikersan> but for the meantime two-weaponing is a pretty useful use of skill slots
15:21 <rld> <@rikersan> (I mean what are you gonna use them for - matter spells)
15:21 <rld> <@rikersan> hey bubbles, what rings do you normally use late-game?
15:22 <bubbles_nh> Depends, often resistance
15:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 9720 points, T:6463, killed by a giant beetle
15:22 <bubbles_nh> Maybe aclarity if I'm flying
15:22 <bubbles_nh> I like +prot
15:22 <rld> <@rikersan> hm, thanks
15:22 <bubbles_nh> Probably not great later, but 5AC is worth way more in dnh
15:22 <bubbles_nh> Engagement if it's not crappy
15:22 <rld> <@rikersan> slow digestion? :p
15:23 <bubbles_nh> Slow digestion sure but there is so much new food
15:23 <bubbles_nh> like honeycombs
15:24 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean I think those are all really renamed slime molds
15:24 <rld> <@rikersan> except for honeycombs, candy bars, and jellies?
15:24 <bubbles_nh> Sustain ability really
15:24 <Pinkbeast> Isn't slow digestion about the worst option that isn't actively bad?
15:24 <bubbles_nh> Honeycombs are 600 nutrition
15:24 <bubbles_nh> During the ascension run I don't think slow dig is amazing amazing
15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:76952
15:25 <rld> <@rikersan> pinkbeast: not in dnethack
15:25 <bubbles_nh> But it's real nice for the grinding phase
15:25 <rld> <@rikersan> corpses don't drop in hell
15:25 <LarienTelrunya> NCommander: sorry you seem to have caught me on the way out; now I'm here again
15:25 <bubbles_nh> Also does nutrition burn faster in dnh? It feels like it does.
15:25 <rld> <@rikersan> this includes trolls happily, but it means you're gonna starve unless you pack stuff
15:25 <rld> <@rikersan> not that I know of but the game is definitely longer
15:25 <rld> <@rikersan> so you'll need more food for sure
15:25 <NCommander> LarienTelrunya, ah, you returned from Outdoors(), that is an accomplishment
15:26 <LarienTelrunya> haha, yeah I did
15:26 <LarienTelrunya> so, what's up? are you coding NCommanderHack?
15:26 <NCommander> Many say Outdoors() is a void function with no return, but in truth it's a void* for those to dare to try it
15:27 <NCommander> LarienTelrunya, I wish. Maybe it would give me something to do, although I'd probably call it NHack just to drive people mad
15:27 <bubbles_nh> Actually I think chris just nerfed gnome nutrition
15:27 <bubbles_nh> You can eat every gnome in sight and not become satiated
15:27 <rld> <@rikersan> probably
15:27 <NCommander> Ah, and here I was thinking Team G starves because the mines aren't a fruitful source of bodies.
15:28 <NCommander> NetHack is like Dwarf Fortress; it makes you realize players tend towards a Neutral Evil alignment.
15:28 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean dnethack gnome race is actual garbage
15:28 <rld> <@rikersan> which is sad
15:28 <NCommander> its not great in vanilla. Gnome ranger with their crossbow is just :(
15:29 <NCommander> The only major racial trait is they can used uncursed touchstones as though they were blessed
15:29 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean gnomish rangers are the best ones in dnethack
15:29 <rld> <@rikersan> they have godawful carry capacity (432 with GoP)
15:29 <NCommander> Ow.
15:29 <rld> <@rikersan> can't wear normal sized armor until they resize it
15:29 <NCommander> ow.
15:29 <rld> <@rikersan> only saving feature is crossbows are actually good now
15:29 <NCommander> One must hope for Goblin christmas
15:30 <rld> <@rikersan> mithril fits +/- one size so that's nice
15:30 <rld> <@rikersan> but I mean good luck finding GoP to even boost that carry cap
15:31 <bubbles_nh> GoP?
15:31 <bubbles_nh> ah
15:31 <bubbles_nh> power
15:32 <bubbles_nh> riker how does twoweapon work? I can't use a saber properly
15:32 <rld> <@rikersan> there's a weight cap for your offhand
15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2782
15:33 <rld> <@rikersan> unskilled/basic is 10 (?) skilled is 20, expert is 30
15:33 <rld> <@rikersan> silver dagger is probably your best bet
15:33 <bubbles_nh> Ah based on the twoweapon skill, or the skill in that weapon (or lesser of both)
15:33 <rld> <@rikersan> two-wep I think
15:33 <bubbles_nh> Cool, so at skilled daggers or stiletitlols
15:34 <rld> <@rikersan> yep
15:34 <bubbles_nh> I shall twoweapon with grimtooth!
15:34 <rld> <@rikersan> or, y'know, a crysknife :p
15:34 <bubbles_nh> 2d5 versus humans
15:34 <bubbles_nh> not terrioble honestly (and I actually have it)
15:35 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah grimtooth is your best bet for now probabl
15:35 <bubbles_nh> Is dagger worth getting to expert for throwing?
15:35 <bubbles_nh>  I can't lol
15:36 <rld> <@rikersan> probably not
15:36 <rld> <@malor> bubbles - you are a human right?
15:36 <rld> <@rikersan> !whereis bubbles
15:36 <bubbles_nh> Yeah so tons of slots
15:36 <Beholder> @rikersan: [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh]: (Bar Hum Mal Cha) T:12571 The Dungeons of Doom level: 13
15:36 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean you can
15:36 <bubbles_nh> I can only get skilled
15:36 <rld> <@rikersan> but remember you also get 4x melee attacks at lvl 30
15:36 <bubbles_nh> Yep
15:36 <rld> <@rikersan> that outpaces pretty much anything
15:36 <rld> <@malor> Yep, so just gain any #enhance you want.  If you run out you will have 5 or 6 things at Expert 🙂
15:37 <bubbles_nh> ffs the scary chaos quest again
15:37 <bubbles_nh> I really hate the silence thing
15:38 <rld> <@malor> Also for Barbarians just pick up any twig off the ground and it will be good enough to ascend with.  Vorpal Blade will be perfect for you with an 18.5% chance to behead each full-attack in addition to already doing 80+ damage anyway.
15:38 <rld> <@rikersan> nah chaos2 is the best
15:38 <rld> <@rikersan> slotless flying
15:38 <bubbles_nh> Lol just 'new man'd up 2 levels \o/
15:38 <bubbles_nh> I think
15:38 <bubbles_nh> Maybe I had just hit 14 so it was only one level
15:38 <bubbles_nh> smashed my con down 2 though
15:38 <rld> <@rikersan> and I mean also, you'll get like 40 more damage per attack from aesh
15:38 <rld> <@malor> Don't try to take on Silence until you have a unicorn horn, poison resist (automatic on Barb), and stoning resist (free action probably also works, Riker will know).  Once you have all that you are fine if your dps is good, which vorpal plus at least level 11 will be fine for you.
15:39 <rld> <@rikersan> free action doesn't block stoning yet
15:39 <rld> <@rikersan> also you'll need see invisible to fight him, and preferably wands (he resists weapons)
15:39 <rld> <@rikersan> burn an elder sign or just drop scare monster and be patient
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan> pretty sure wands of death will work actually
15:40 <rld> <@malor> Demo assured me it did for the "flesh to stone" spell that monsters use, and that seemed to be the case based on my last 2 ascensions where I didn't have any stoning resist at all and never died 🙂
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan> it does not
15:40 <{Demo}> wot
15:40 <{Demo}> it doesnt?
15:40 <rld> <@malor> How did I not die then?
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan> lizard corpses in open inventory?
15:40 <{Demo}> same?
15:40 <bubbles_nh> So would staff of 12 mirrors give me like 8 attacks?
15:40 <{Demo}> how do i not die ever?
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan> or just lucky
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: yes :p
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: honestly nobody knows
15:41 <rld> <@malor> I never collect lizards any more.
15:41 <rld> <@malor> since the only stoning threat early is "c" and late game I always have free action.
15:41 <bubbles_nh> I've killed silence a few times
15:41 <bubbles_nh> Well, my pethas
15:41 <{Demo}> if(!Stone_resistance && !Free_action && (!rn2(10) || !have_lizard()) ){ You_feel("less limber."); Stoned = 5;
15:41 <bubbles_nh> But that was as bard
15:41 <bubbles_nh> {Demo} codesmackdown
15:42 <rld> <@rikersan> ah nice
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15:42 <bubbles_nh> Holy crap second massive beehive
15:42 <bubbles_nh> I am going to be so buff
15:42 <rld> <@rikersan> don't think that will save you from the silence though? he doesn't stone
15:42 <{Demo}> so it does block the spell
15:42 <rld> <@rikersan> he's got life drain, disint, desiccation and sickness
15:44 <rld> <@malor> what does desiccation do to you?  "Remove moisture"?
15:44 <rld> <@rikersan> hurts and heals it for the damage taken
15:45 <bubbles_nh> How easy is barb quest?
15:45 <rld> <@rikersan> easy
15:45 <rld> <@rikersan> trolls are worse than thoth amon
15:45 <rld> <@rikersan> hey bubbles you know dagon's tentacle thingy? where it shreds your armor?
15:45 <{Demo}> dont get caught by a death ray
15:46 <bubbles_nh> Yea I do
15:46 <bubbles_nh> Also why do long worms have 8d2bite, but long worm zombies have 16d2?
15:46 <{Demo}> cause zombies have double dmg cause chris is WILD
15:46 <rld> <@rikersan> found a mastodon zombie on the VS square level last game
15:46 <{Demo}> play ndnh if you want less WILD zombies
15:46 <rld> <@rikersan> that SUCKED
15:47 <rld> <@rikersan> @d?mastodon
15:47 <Beholder> mastodon (q) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -5 | Attacks: 4d8 butt physical, 4d8 butt physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravisible
15:47 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah that was a big no bueno
15:47 <rld> <@rikersan> yes that is important
15:49 <bubbles_nh> Also why is the sand glyph so horrible?
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan> the storms?
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan> have magical breathing or be prepared ot die
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan> ah the quest ones
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan> what's wrong with sand?
15:50 <rld> <@malor> if I am chaotic is there any negative (other than gaining "aggravate monster") to walking up to a shopkeeper and "F+direction"?
15:50 <bubbles_nh> It hurts my eyes
15:50 <bubbles_nh> malor do you get the luck penalty still?
15:50 <rld> <@rikersan> no agg monster, yes luck penalty
15:51 <rld> <@malor> the luck penalty deteriorates over time anyway though right?
15:51 <rld> <@rikersan> yep
15:51 <bubbles_nh> I have shit armor and no resistances
15:51 <bubbles_nh> Hmm
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15:51 <bubbles_nh> Not sure where to go next
15:51 <bubbles_nh> Defo not chaos quest, the ' will smash me
15:51 <bubbles_nh> Law quest axus is annoying to get past
15:51 <bubbles_nh> And oona poo poo
15:52 <rld> <@rikersan> clear the outlands
15:52 <rld> <@rikersan> just like don't get clapped by the argenachs or illurien
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha) killed the janitor of akaelai, the former Toilet Scrubber, on T:108
15:54 <{Demo}> killing oona isnt cool
15:54 <bubbles_nh> Why not?
15:54 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: I left her alone last game just for you :P
15:54 <{Demo}> shes my friend and shes an epic pet
15:55 <rld> <@rikersan> if you're lawful it's easiest to just do a 6 key run (law 2, neu 2,3, cha 1,2,3)
15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 32207 points, T:5269, zombified by an elf zombie
15:55 <rld> <@rikersan> don't piss off axus or oona if  you don't have to
15:55 <bubbles_nh> oooh
15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1740 points, T:110, killed by a sewer rat
15:56 <bubbles_nh> idiot i
15:56 <bubbles_nh> me
15:56 <bubbles_nh> idiiot
15:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15020 points, T:542, killed by a jackal
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3464 points, T:8, killed by a sewer rat
15:58 <bubbles_nh> ugh
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15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11332 points, T:419, killed by a newt
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:31828
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha), 12476 points, T:385, killed by a monster (orange ogre)
16:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 blue dragon scale shield", on T:31872
16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 24980 points, T:1140, killed by a blast of frost
16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 10313 points, T:10927, poisoned by a giant mosquito, while taking off clothes
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13488 points, T:492, killed by a fox
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 12287 points, T:702, killed by a fox
16:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23434 points, T:1534, killed by a homunculus
16:19 <FIQ> !tell K2 mitre of holiness restores all pw (capped at +400) instead of 50% capped at +120
16:19 <Beholder> I'm on it, FIQ.
16:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha), 12422 points, T:713, killed by a monster (invisible phase shifter)
16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 223 points, T:656, killed by a gnomish wererat
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16:25 <bubbles_nh> :-\
16:25 <bubbles_nh> While blind
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) was given Whisperfeet, on T:1439
16:26 <FIQ> !tell K2 it also grants magic resistance
16:26 <Beholder> I'm on it, FIQ.
16:27 <bubbles_nh> HOT
16:27 <bubbles_nh> lucky
16:27 <bubbles_nh> wtf
16:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] akaelai (Jan Clk Fem Cha), 12768 points, T:235, killed by a monster (low skeleton)
16:29 <rld> <@rikersan> nice, the first is generally unheld or mirror brand in my experience
16:30 <rld> <@rikersan> but you can get unlucky and get the rod of the ram instead
16:30 <stenno> !games
16:30 <stenno> !players
16:30 <Beholder> stenno: [hdf-us] Arimja [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] hothraxxa [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] winny [tnnt] dragonspeaker [dnh] rikersan [dnh] malor [dnh] Hratt [evil] akaelai [slex] bouquet [spl] groovejumper [fh] karibou [gh] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh363] marie [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players
16:30 <bubbles_nh> riker can't complain
16:31 <bubbles_nh> (I can't)
16:31 <rld> <@rikersan> :p yep
16:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 219 points, T:195, killed by a dwarf
16:31 <rld> <@rikersan> fwiw a really good weapon wish is a +5 filth-crusted red-eyed vibrosword
16:31 <rld> <@rikersan> if you want bonus go for it large/huge, it's 2-handed but much better damage
16:31 <rld> <@rikersan> you can recharge it forever with the PYEC
16:32 <bubbles_nh> riker it was my first sac of this game
16:32 <{Demo}> pYUCK
16:32 <bubbles_nh> on T527
16:32 <bubbles_nh> pyum
16:32 <rld> <@rikersan> ah nice
16:32 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean pyec is mostly useless for you I think cuz intrinsic MR
16:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:17733
16:32 <{Demo}> Riker why is it better when 2 handed
16:33 <{Demo}> for a non android
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16:33 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: the way it works for flat damage bonus when charged
16:33 <rld> <@rikersan> also he can't two-weapon so it's this or a shield
16:33 <{Demo}> how is that better than 2 we point it?
16:33 <rld> <@rikersan> he can't?
16:33 <rld> <@rikersan> pretty sure tourists get basic only
16:34 <rld> <@rikersan> so 10 or less wt
16:34 <bubbles_nh> Yeah basic
16:34 <bubbles_nh> But tbh 1h + shield better surely?
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 36499 points, T:3614, killed by an ogre
16:34 <rld> <@rikersan> eh it depends I don't like non-aegis shields a ton
16:34 <{Demo}> ok offhand a tiny one
16:35 <rld> <@rikersan> tha'ts 27 wt
16:35 <bubbles_nh> aegis is my bae
16:35 <bubbles_nh> I love it so much
16:35 <bubbles_nh> But tbh you don't need to actually use it
16:35 <bubbles_nh> You can invoke it when not wielded
16:35 <bubbles_nh> which is broken imo
16:35 <rld> <@rikersan> oooh you can offhand a white vibrosword
16:35 <rld> <@rikersan> oh shit my bad
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16:35 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
16:35 <rld> <@rikersan> @ChrisANG aegis can be invoked when not worn, sorry
16:35 <bubbles_nh> Also you can write scrolls of gorgon for 5 ink lo
16:35 <bubbles_nh> lol
16:36 <bubbles_nh> So one marker gets you like 20 scrolls
16:36 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: stupid combo looks like red-eyed vibrosword (or white/black if you want I guess) for main hand and a white/black for off-hand
16:37 <rld> <@rikersan> red-eyes are like 80 wt so they can't be offhanded, but a white/black is 7 :)
16:37 <bubbles_nh> Is it worth it?
16:38 <bubbles_nh> Also it's defo not worth before I have pyec?
16:38 <rld> <@rikersan> for weapons? hell yeah
16:38 <rld> <@rikersan> and probably not
16:38 <rld> <@rikersan> I'd go for spellbook of fireball / cone of cold to help you clear the quest asap
16:38 <bubbles_nh> Also just found blessed +5 darts
16:38 <bubbles_nh> (11 of them)
16:38 <bubbles_nh> :o
16:38 <bubbles_nh> but I can just force blolt anyway
16:39 <rld> <@rikersan> ooh nice
16:39 <bubbles_nh> WHY is my typing so bad?
16:39 <rld> <@rikersan> darts are helpful for dwarves
16:39 <rld> <@rikersan> booze is nice
16:39 <bubbles_nh> It's literally my job
16:39 <bubbles_nh> Ah yeah true
16:39 <bubbles_nh> And nymphos
16:39 <rld> <@rikersan> yep
16:40 <bubbles_nh> both + I found are cursed
16:40 <bubbles_nh> Not that I can complain
16:44 <bubbles_nh> YAY 
16:44 <bubbles_nh> antimagic shield
16:44 <bubbles_nh> :x
16:47 <bubbles_nh> Why did chris remove the V from mine's end?
16:47 <{Demo}> im not sure
16:47 <{Demo}> i noticed that as well
16:47 <{Demo}> i dont disagree with it
16:48 <{Demo}> i wouldnt do it but its like oh ok those are gone now lol
16:48 <bubbles_nh> what?
16:48 <bubbles_nh> srs
16:48 <{Demo}> what
16:48 <bubbles_nh> ^
16:48 <bubbles_nh> !lastgame
16:48 <Beholder> bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/groovejumper/fiqhack/dumplog/2019-10-26%2020%3A34%3A42%2C%20groovejumper-Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1572121523.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/nethack/dumplog/1572075863.nh.html
16:48 <rld> <@rikersan> glass piercers suck
16:48 <bubbles_nh> I am nto sure what I did
16:48 <bubbles_nh> Maybe I forgot to heal up
16:48 <rld> <@rikersan> was it a zombie?
16:48 <rld> <@rikersan> those suck extra
16:49 <{Demo}> oh it was a zombie
16:49 <rld> <@rikersan> no glass piercer zombies are awful
16:49 <rld> <@rikersan> @d?glass piercer
16:49 <Beholder> glass piercer (p) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 4 | Res: cold acid | Confers: cold | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, clings
16:49 <bubbles_nh> ah yeah
16:49 <bubbles_nh> 8d6
16:49 <bubbles_nh> fun
16:49 <rld> <@rikersan> so 8d6 bite is not fun
16:49 <rld> <@rikersan> esp in groups
16:49 <{Demo}> this is why zombie double damage is actually stupid as shit
16:49 <bubbles_nh> I guess with MC not affecting V it would doublesuck to put them there
16:49 <bubbles_nh> I guess the other ends aren't really difficult either
16:50 <bubbles_nh> catacombs was always an outlier in difficurly
16:50 <{Demo}> yeah
16:50 <bubbles_nh> orc _ is pretty fun
16:50 <{Demo}> khor's minetown, praise be to khor
16:50 <{Demo}> mines end
16:50 <{Demo}> not town, blewh
16:50 <bubbles_nh> Like if you aren't greedy it isn't too bad but there is always the attempt to run for the altars without killing too much
16:50 <bubbles_nh> so you have more sac fodder
16:50 <bubbles_nh> And I am greedy
16:51 <rld> <@rikersan> khor's levels are absolute bops
16:51 <rld> <@rikersan> he also did peanut island right
16:52 <FIQ> {Demo}: you like orctown huh
16:52 <rld> <@rikersan> no, the orc mine's end
16:52 <K2> FIQ any more commits inbound?
16:52 <Beholder> K2: Messages from FIQ have been forwarded to you privately.
16:52 <FIQ> K2: yes some
16:53 <K2> will hold off then until you're wrapped up for today
16:53 <FIQ> ok
16:53 <{Demo}> no fiq i dont
16:53 <{Demo}> but i dont hate it as much as everyone
16:53 <{Demo}> cause im a big baby for an altar
16:53 <FIQ> last time I checked, all mnetowns had altars
16:54 <rld> <@rikersan> no, mine's end
16:54 <FIQ> minetowns
16:54 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers)
16:54 <FIQ> what did you do
16:54 <FIQ> new evil stuff
16:54 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah, these don't have priests or anything
16:54 <rld> <@rikersan> and there's tons of orcs to sacrifice fodder there
16:54 <K2> just some minor bits
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:19012
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7728
17:03 <{Demo}> tnnt understands a lot that i dont
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 grandmaster's robe", on T:8121
17:05 <bubbles_nh> My dragon can't take my load
17:05 <bubbles_nh> hmm
17:05 <FIQ> what a weak dragon
17:05 <bubbles_nh> I have gop
17:05 <bubbles_nh> I assumed he was M_STRONG
17:05 <bubbles_nh> or she
17:06 <FIQ> but he was M_WEAK
17:06 <FIQ> :p
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17:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) was given the Lifehunt Scythe, on T:9323
17:10 <bubbles_nh> I go from unecumbered to stressed by mounting him
17:11 * Pinkbeast snickers
17:12 <rld> <@rikersan> early-game pseudo?
17:12 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah he's hella small don't bother
17:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Stormhelm", on T:33829
17:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33834
17:16 <rld> <@malor> oops, I forgot that I don't want telepathy and just ate a mind flayer tin.  I lose that by murdering someone right?  (chaotic)
17:16 <bubbles_nh> Riding pseudodragon
17:16 <rld> <@rikersan> eyyyy random quicksilver, as a priest :)
17:16 <bubbles_nh> yeah malor
17:16 <bubbles_nh> murder
17:16 <bubbles_nh> nice riker
17:16 <bubbles_nh> But you need scourge of lol
17:16 <rld> <@rikersan> doesn't work for chaotics
17:16 <bubbles_nh> YOU ARE DRO
17:17 <rld> <@rikersan> bubbles: yeah scourge of lolth is hella OP but quicksilver on a priest? not bad
17:17 <bubbles_nh> Yeah can't complain
17:17 <bubbles_nh> Howd oes it work on barb?
17:17 <bubbles_nh> 12 attacks? :hmm:
17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:20150
17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1603 points, T:2181, killed by a dart
17:18 <rld> <@rikersan> doesn't work on barb
17:18 <rld> <@rikersan> it adds like 1
17:19 <bubbles_nh> ah lame
17:19 <bubbles_nh> oh yeah chris said you an have a max of 8 attacks/turn anyway
17:19 <bubbles_nh> (that hit)
17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1901 points, T:1206, killed by a giant ant
17:21 <Umbire> Go team a!
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17:22 <bubbles_nh> Am I here?
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17:22 <bubbles_nh> workwork 
17:22 <Umbire> nope
17:22 <Umbire> you're dead
17:22 <Umbire> yet again
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17:22 <Umbire> do you want your possessions identified?
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17:23 <bubbles_nh> My possessions are a cat and a computer
17:24 <bubbles_nh> YES large
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17:25 <bubbles_nh> Oh ffs
17:25 <bubbles_nh> Pseudodragon favourite thing is to sleep something just as I hit it
17:25 <bubbles_nh> "You caitiff"
17:26 <bubbles_nh> Them K are readying
17:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:46508
17:26 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah sleep half dragon on knight sucsk
17:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 338 points, T:967, killed by a wererat
17:28 <rld> <@rikersan> really? a unicorn with a "oLS?
17:28 <rld> <@rikersan> not groovy
17:29 <Umbire> at least you identified it
17:29 <Umbire> :3
17:30 <Umbire> it sucks not knowing enemies have that on until you kill them
17:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:47038
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 4158 points, T:3065, killed by a rock piercer
17:32 <Umbire> sure hope zblarg finished the quest
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17:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 323390 points, T:21143, killed by a blast of disintegration
17:34 <rld> <@rikersan> can you help of OA through the quest maybe?
17:34 <bubbles_nh> T47000 seems reasonable
17:34 <bubbles_nh> Don't think so riker
17:35 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: riker are zombies slower than normal versions? Or exactly the same just cold res and 2x damge?
17:35 <rld> <@rikersan> slower yes
17:35 <rld> <@rikersan> they also resist blunt, piercing
17:35 <bubbles_nh> Worth getting pet killed on dread seraph level? :thinking
17:35 <bubbles_nh> Ancient pseudodragon
17:35 <bubbles_nh> 2x damage
17:36 <bubbles_nh> Main probbo with them is no res
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17:39 <rld> <@rikersan> pseudos are already hella slow
17:39 <rld> <@rikersan> why make them slower
17:39 <rld> <@rikersan> :p
17:39 <bubbles_nh> true fact
17:41 <bubbles_nh> If I'm riding a pet they will still eat right?
17:41 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
17:42 <bubbles_nh> well he just polyd into a jellyfish
17:42 <bubbles_nh> so fml
17:44 <rld> <@rikersan> RIP
17:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 176 points, T:730, killed by a hobbit
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 312 points, T:732, killed by a water demon
17:49 <FIQ> !tell AntiGulp a cursed playing card deck will never give you a royal straight flush or full house since "luck<=0" applies before "cursed and luck<=0", similar for full house
17:49 <Beholder> I'm on it, FIQ.
17:52 <FIQ>                 pline("You draw The High Priestess! You feel more devout.");
17:52 <FIQ>                 adjalign(10);
17:52 <FIQ> oh my god! +10 alignment record points!
17:53 <luxidream> all of the deck of fate results besides the wish are terrible
17:54 <luxidream> isn't hermit like amnesia 100 items lol
17:54 <FIQ> I think it's 100% amnesia
17:55 <bubbles_nh> :-(
17:55 <FIQ> I'm pondering on whether this thing can be used to make a wish engine
17:55 <rld> <@rikersan> that's definitely "terrible"
17:55 <bubbles_nh> I need to continue coding my deck code
17:55 <FIQ> is deck of fate a magical tool?
17:55 <luxidream> tower blows up the deck
17:55 <bubbles_nh> But it is not awful so far
17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:77244
17:55 <luxidream> so probably not
17:55 <luxidream> it also disappears after use
17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:77246
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17:56 <FIQ> tower doesn't happen if the deck is blessed
17:56 <luxidream> lol what
17:56 <FIQ>         if (obj->blessed && index < 22) {
17:56 <FIQ>           index++;
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17:57 <FIQ> so index becomes 2-22
17:57 <FIQ> 1/22 for 2-21, 1/11 for 22
17:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3839
17:57 <FIQ> anyway there's a limit of 5 for the amount you can draw of a deck
17:57 <bubbles_nh> MAKE IT A REAL DECK
17:57 <bubbles_nh> grr
17:57 <FIQ> wheel of fortune gives you more cards but it's only 1/22 to happen
17:57 <luxidream> empress can make thrones lol
17:58 <FIQ> but I was wondering how likely these things are from polymorph
17:58 <FIQ> if you can make a wish engine from poly+candles
17:58 <FIQ> (I assume they're tools)
17:58 <luxidream> i thought they were magical tools
17:58 <FIQ> oh
17:58 <FIQ> then you can't really make them feasible
17:59 <FIQ> at least not with a net gain in wishes
17:59 <FIQ> ADOM 1.1.1 had a suspiciously large rate of rings of djinni summoning from polypiling
17:59 <FIQ> to the point where you could, with the right setup, get more than you used
17:59 <FIQ> for wishing
17:59 <FIQ> that was nice
18:00 <FIQ> it can still give that ring from polypiling, but only once a game
18:00 <luxidream> actually, they don't seem to be
18:00 <luxidream> TOOL("deck of fate",
18:00 <luxidream>  "pack of cards", 0, 0, 0, 0,  5, 10,300, LEATHER, HI_LEATHER)
18:01 <FIQ> but it's 5/1000
18:01 <FIQ> which is ridiculously rare
18:01 <FIQ> 1/200
18:01 <luxidream> yeah, so about the same as a wand of wishing
18:01 <FIQ> with the way polypiling works, the chance is elevated somewhat
18:01 <FIQ> but not enough to matter
18:02 <luxidream> to make it a wish engine you would also have to be able to reliably escape the grim reaper
18:02 <FIQ> around 45% of the things give wishes, so the hard part is getting the item
18:02 <FIQ> heh
18:02 <FIQ> wait, do they stack?
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1341
18:03 <FIQ> nothing seems to stop wishing for them
18:04 <FIQ> hmm meh
18:04 <FIQ> avg from wishing for 3 of something is 2, I thought it was higher
18:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:77272
18:04 <FIQ> so even if they do stack, no infinite wishes from direct wishing
18:05 <luxidream> if you polypiled large stacks of candles you could end up with a stack of decks of fate?
18:05 <luxidream> :P
18:05 <luxidream> they really should be magical though
18:05 <luxidream> seems like an oversight
18:05 <FIQ> Heh
18:05 <FIQ> And yeah they should
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:49437
18:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 708 points, T:1740, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the saddled Red Horse, on T:77306
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:25188
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25190
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18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:77309
18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:77312
18:15 <FIQ> luxidream: not all the results are horrible besides wish
18:15 <FIQ> one of them is protection
18:15 <FIQ> +2-5
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18:16 <FIQ> also +5 luck
18:17 <FIQ> bhaak: pre-release huh
18:18 <FIQ> 10/10 timing
18:19 <Umbire> Hi Luxi
18:20 <FIQ> He left
18:20 <FIQ> Bye Luxi
18:20 <Umbire> Baw
18:21 <rld> <@luxidream> I’m still on discord yknow
18:22 <Umbire> Hi again
18:22 <Umbire> :B
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4524
18:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Val Hum Fem Law), 122572 points, T:18043, quit
18:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3415
18:27 <bhaak> FIQ: just some tests
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18:29 <FIQ> discord heathen
18:34 <rld> <Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/637781129155313687/Capture_2019-10-26-18-34-16.png
18:34 <rld> <@Umby> tfw random +5 early in the game
18:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Kni Hum Mal Law), 559 points, T:1124, killed by a gnome lord
18:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3200 points, T:5487, killed by a killer bee
18:36 <FIQ> nice wrapping
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18:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Inc Mal Non), 41266 points, T:9487, killed by a gargoyle, while fainted from lack of food
18:42 <FIQ> hmm
18:42 <FIQ> while protracket is generally speaking a bad strategy
18:42 <FIQ> I've always wondered if it's the optimal for a neutral gnomish healer
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18:42 <FIQ> especially in variants with always-lit upper mines
18:42 <{Demo}> healer are a problem to me
18:42 <FIQ> but I think it is in vanilla too
18:43 <{Demo}> an optimized start is a wish
18:43 <{Demo}> archon -> protracket
18:43 <FIQ> quaffing smoky healing potions?
18:43 <FIQ> that takes forever
18:43 <{Demo}> no
18:43 <FIQ> I do it sometimes when trying for unique deaths
18:43 <{Demo}> i was doing it real time in jnh 2018
18:43 <Umbire> even "suboptimal" starts can work if you find a decent armor shop early
18:44 <{Demo}> on my keyboard and low ass latency (was in a hotel in maryland like less than an hr from the server) it was quick
18:44 <bouquet> dangit, I upset my friendly priest.  How do I get him to chill out and stop hitting me?
18:44 <{Demo}> like they were quick wishes
18:45 <{Demo}> my hands did hurt after a bit
18:45 <Umbire> You may or may not be fucked, Bou
18:45 <FIQ> taming
18:45 <Umbire> At the least no immediate solution is presented on the wiki
18:45 <FIQ> or charm monster
18:45 <Umbire> Well, no permanent solution
18:45 <FIQ> will pacify him
18:46 <bouquet> heh. He happens to be standing on my chest that has my one scroll of taming.
18:46 <Umbire> You can pacify them via taming/charm monster, but iirc
18:46 <bouquet> this should be fun
18:46 <Umbire> chatting again will probably re-anger them
18:46 <bouquet> oh, I had a spare on hand
18:46 <Umbire> that might be just under specific circumstances
18:47 <Umbire> hopefully that isn't a past tense "had"
18:48 <bouquet> he's cool now.
18:48 <bouquet> we talked about it. Mistakes were made. We're mature and can handle a little magical explosion in the temple like adults.
18:49 <FIQ> lopl
18:49 <FIQ> what did you do
18:49 <FIQ> *lol
18:50 <bouquet> a broke a wand I thought was empty... BOOM!
18:50 <Umbire> better to overzap a wand then under
18:50 <bouquet> probably a bad habit
18:50 <Umbire> :B
18:50 <Umbire> that way you make good and sure
18:51 <Umbire> but yeah, idk if you can get protection from that one anymore
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:26321
19:00 <bouquet> I didn't kill the priest so I didn't lose protection.  I'm short a few zm's or I'd test a donation.
19:03 <Umbire> Not saying you lost it, just that idk if chatting makes them hostile again
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19:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 658 points, T:1642, killed by a kobold lady
19:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Nippur (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3062
20:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Val Hum Fem Neu), 264114 points, T:45415, choked on a spotted jelly corpse
20:03 <Umbire> lmao greeding an acidic corpse of all things
20:03 <Umbire> that's a feelsbad
20:03 <K2> hey FIQ
20:04 <K2> FIQ
20:04 <Umbire> !lastgame Arimja
20:04 <Beholder> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arimja/nethack/dumplog/1571021120.nh.html
20:04 <rld> <@rikersan> yes k2? :)
20:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 291 points, T:675, killed by a boiling potion
20:04 <K2> you are not teh FIQ
20:06 <rld> <@rikersan> now I am
20:06 <K2> FIQhack updated (all servers)
20:16 <K2> !tell FIQ FIQhack
20:16 <Beholder> FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
20:16 <K2> !tell FIQ updated
20:16 <Beholder> FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
20:16 <K2> !tell FIQ all
20:16 <Beholder> No worries, K2, I've got this!
20:16 <K2> !tell FIQ servers
20:16 <Beholder> I'm on it, K2.
20:16 <K2> !tell FIQ \o/
20:16 <Beholder> FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
20:17 <K2> such an abuse of power
20:17 <aosdict> ha
20:17 <aosdict> you need to tell FIQ DIRGE
20:17 <K2> !tell FIQ ... DIRGE
20:17 <Beholder> FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell rikerwashere hmm
20:18 <Beholder> No worries, @rikersan, I've got this!
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> .
20:18 <K2> wrong name
20:18 <rld> <@rikersan> testing
20:18 <K2> so we sat around the bonfire had smores and drinks for last 2 hrs
20:19 <K2> its barely past 8 pm already feel like its bedtime
20:19 <{Demo}> i feel like starting a project
20:19 <K2> clean my house
20:19 <K2> thats a worthy project
20:21 <aosdict> K2: you getting any of this giant rainstorm?
20:22 * aosdict checks radar
20:22 <aosdict> ah no you WILL be getting it
20:23 <bubbles_nh> {Demo}: make a new roguelike
20:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "3 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:32593
20:24 <{Demo}> bubbles_nh: maybe one day
20:24 <bubbles_nh> What other projects you got?
20:24 <bubbles_nh> School? Work?
20:24 <bubbles_nh> Pfft
20:24 <{Demo}> in the mood for some full stack bullshit
20:24 <bubbles_nh> A webhack!
20:24 <bubbles_nh> I don't understand the wbe
20:24 <bubbles_nh> so I ignore it
20:25 <{Demo}> i havent done any front end web at work since like july or something so i should just like go do a react project or something
20:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:32880
20:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:27660
20:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 642 points, T:1910, killed by a giant ant
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20:28 <bubbles_nh> Incantifier knight
20:28 <bubbles_nh> hmm interesting
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20:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:32928
20:30 <bubbles_nh> or not
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:23730
20:36 <K2> aosdict yeah tomorrow
20:36 <K2> supposed to rain all day
20:36 <K2> would prefer snow
20:43 <hothraxxa> The water nymph stole a cockatrice corpse. 
20:43 <hothraxxa> oops
20:44 <hothraxxa> The water nymph is slowing down.  The water nymph turns to stone.
20:44 <hothraxxa> tsk
20:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4292 points, T:5331, killed by a fire ant, while sleeping
20:47 <aosdict> now you have to break the statue open just to get it back
20:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 48 points, T:363, killed by a newt
20:48 <Umbire> Go team a!
20:49 <Umbire> Also nymph got Jebaited
20:55 <bubbles_nh> meh bed
20:55 <bubbles_nh> nn all
20:55 <rld> <@rikersan> night bubbles
20:55 <bubbles_nh> Tomorrow hope can show you my card code
20:57 <Umbire> Night
21:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) was given Glamdring, on T:2489
21:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] arnibald (Rog Inc Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1573
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21:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] arnibald (Rog Inc Mal Cha), 1740 points, T:1650, killed by a razorvine
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5947
21:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 greased tiny eclipse moon axe named Chakram on a Stick", on T:6198
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21:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 8665 points, T:1897, killed by a soldier ant
21:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:27, killed by a jackal
21:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:25822
21:53 <rld> <@Umby> Monks not working out for me atm, so let's try a ranger out---
21:53 <rld> <Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/637831116492898326/Capture_2019-10-26-21-49-04.png
21:54 <Andrio> Large general store?
21:55 <Umbire> Yep, looks loaded too
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) was given Hellrider's Saddle, on T:10370
22:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] arnibald (Brd Hum Mal Cha), 218 points, T:933, killed by a fox
22:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3048
22:03 <Umbire> Nice, food store
22:03 <Umbire> Just need some gold and I'll be set
22:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] arnibald (Brd Hum Mal Cha), 136 points, T:559, killed by a poisonous corpse
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:26622
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22:20 <JonathanHanes> !oink
22:20 <Andrio> !honk
22:21 <JonathanHanes> !who
22:21 <Beholder> JonathanHanes: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] xxxstout [nh363] spleen [nh363] Bliss56 [tnnt] dragonspeaker [dnh] rikerw [dnh] Hratt [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] plisp [nh363]
22:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant eel, on T:4642
22:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] xxxstout (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3538
22:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Mars, on T:27918
22:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] xxxstout (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1019 points, T:4055, killed by a raven
22:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 118222 points, T:20999, poisoned by a dark worm
22:44 <rld> <@rikersan> RNGesus just wasn't having that game
22:45 <Umbire> D:
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:2758
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23:09 <rld> <@Plisp> dang found somebody else's bones and my bones with sdsm
23:09 <rld> <@Plisp> they got screwed over by the killer bees too lol
23:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) was given Grayswandir, on T:4392
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23:20 <Umbire> should've wished for a better wish
23:21 <Umbire> that made more sense in my head
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23:22 <Andrio> I don't think any wish would have saved her there.
23:23 <Umbire> not if you're making it THAT late
23:23 <Umbire> !lastgame plisp
23:23 <Beholder> Umbire: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/nethack/dumplog/1572142913.nh.html
23:23 <rld> <@Plisp> I mean
23:23 <rld> <@Plisp> I fucked up already
23:24 <rld> <@Plisp> so I just yoloed and rubbed the lamp
23:25 <Umbire> Yeah, save that one wand you mistook for another you were hosed at that point
23:25 <Umbire> RIP, it happens
23:27 <Andrio> Ripped by a guard.
23:28 <rld> <@Plisp> thought I could abuse teleportitis
23:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Hratt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9172
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23:46 <Umbire> looooooooooool
23:46 <Umbire> still early in Ranger run and I found an amulet of reflection
23:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:51969
23:50 <rld> <@Plisp> lol amulet of reflection gang
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23:51 <rld> <@Plisp> big brain move
23:52 <rld> <@Plisp> !setmintc 5000
23:52 <Beholder> @Plisp: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for @plisp set to 5000
23:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:52330