00:01 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:01 -!- Gaelan has quit [Client Quit] 00:06 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5054 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3987 points, T:5702, killed by a bolt of cold 00:17 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 119 points, T:164, killed by a small mimic 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:33222 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33238 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11939 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10657 00:22 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:25 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:13112 00:30 -!- Gaelan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:40 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:41 whoooo! some player monster tried to pull a wand of death out of his bag...SMOKED him with a wand of cold lol 00:41 close!! 00:42 AntiVirus, you've won that duel 00:42 yerp, but he had a freaking hand cannon bruh 00:42 winner take all, congrats 00:43 ty ty 00:45 too bad I can't see it for myself because your encoding looks like this to me: �1;����[1;0 00:45 huh 00:45 yeah I play a very basic IBMgraphics with curses on 00:45 maybe its curses 00:47 yep, and it's not IBM850 00:48 my remote character set is on CP437 00:48 are you using putty? 00:48 that's the charset setting I have 00:48 its's nothing remarkable going on, I'm just in Sokoban in EH 00:48 just cleared it 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12575 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:13878 00:56 I don't know, I can try xterm instead of konsole 00:57 maybe if you use the web term on hardfought, yeah that should work 00:57 but, hey I'm about to sign off anyway 00:57 its been a long session 00:57 catch you next time! 00:59 ok, see you later 00:59 btw, does anyone use qodem to play nethack? 01:00 not that I know of, I'm strictly a putty user 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (rothe), on T:3917 01:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 34560 points, T:8719, killed by a vampire lord 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4196 01:03 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 269 points, T:479, killed by a jackal 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4252 points, T:5612, poisoned by an orcish arrow 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:31 AntiVirus, after I use qodem, your terminal looks sorta better 01:31 cool 01:31 I still don't have magicbane 01:31 so I'm emptying these wands of create monster 01:32 but now it looks like [1;1zz[1[1 01:32 and [1;1z[1;1z[1;1z 01:33 AntiVirus, do you have any idea what would make my screen look like that? 01:33 no clue 01:33 I mean, I think I'm loading other cp437 games just fine 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:35127 01:33 do you have curses activated in your config? 01:35 I don't know 01:36 I'm just watching 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:922 01:38 I think I figured it out 01:38 <@luxidream> !who 01:38 @luxidream: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] machinespray [nh363] zblargles [nh363] luxor [slshm] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:38 had to switch from xterm utf8 encoding to xterm encoding 01:39 and now it's all good? 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 557 points, T:1181, killed by a rothe 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:40 utf8: https://imgur.com/a/E4FVZjd 01:41 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 01:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:41 not utf8: https://imgur.com/a/o2g6j1k 01:42 huh, crazy 01:42 thanks for the example 01:42 yeah, not sure why nethack hates utf8 01:42 All I can say is I've never tried this in debian/ubuntu 01:42 just windows 01:43 putty must already come configured w/o utf8 01:43 maybe I need to ask paxed or ais why nethack gets messed up in utf-8 01:44 ooh, cursed scroll of lvl port 01:45 I think it may be all those doorways that use the block drawing in your evilhack settings 01:45 ah maybe so 01:47 I'm goint to go try connecting to the bbses that qodem links to now 01:47 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:14458 01:47 YEEEAAAASS 01:47 lol this takes soooo long in EH 01:53 hey all - another evilhack player playing a s aconvict found a vanilla bug 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:35897 01:53 sending up a report now 01:54 in the meantime - dont throw heavy iron balls at anything if its attached to you 01:54 hehe 01:54 that used to be my favorite back when I didn't know better than to read random scrolls 01:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 01:54 yeah convict roll starts chained to an iron ball, so any issues with it are discovered a lot faster 01:54 role 01:55 makes sense 01:55 K2: huh? what is the bug? does it possibly exist in slex too? 01:55 no idea i didnt test slex or any 3.4.3 variant 01:56 yeah but what is the bug? I see no issue or pull request by you on the official 3.6 repo 01:57 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:05 well I just found it 02:05 i dont report bugs on the repo, i use the official contact form 02:05 ah 02:05 #H9344 is my case number for this one 02:07 gnite all, need zzzZZZzzz 02:07 but what happens if you throw the ball? is it something with the hurtle code? 02:08 good night! 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37581 02:26 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 02:26 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1092 points, T:311, escaped 02:43 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50 if the screen shows [1;1z etc that means your terminal shows unknown escape codes on the screen, which is WRONG and should feel BED 02:50 BAD 02:50 too early 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2345 02:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:3390 03:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4084 points, T:4149, killed by a soldier ant, while helpless 03:13 it looks like gnome-terminal 03:13 or a derivative of it 03:14 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 03:14 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1319 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2322 points, T:3036, killed by a mind flayer 03:46 <@Umby> Hello 03:46 Hello @Umby, Welcome to #hardfought 03:46 Hello. 03:46 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 03:56 thanks for the info 04:03 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3668 04:25 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 04:27 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8230 04:42 <@Umby> Resumed my knight playthrough, got a nice big room on fl13 04:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:57 <@Umby> Finally got to ID the gray stone from the player bones 04:57 <@Umby> it was a touchstone 04:57 <@Umby> poor shitter got baited 04:58 <@Umby> Currently trying to navigate through a shop with teleportitis 05:00 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 05:00 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:03 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:07 <@Umby> and quest floor! 05:07 <@Umby> portal hunting time 05:08 <@Umby> oh nice, court on this level too 05:08 <@Umby> ez one, too, strongest enemy there outside the ogre king is the pair of centaurs 05:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha), 40692 points, T:9009, killed by an energy vortex 05:34 <@Umby> F 05:37 FF 05:37 or G, whatever you lik 05:37 e 05:38 <@Umby> lol 05:38 <@Umby> oops, early For Ludios 05:38 <@Umby> Fort* 05:38 <@Umby> dl11 05:40 can't complain 05:40 <@Umby> yey 05:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2192 05:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Premium Heart", on T:2401 05:48 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:39948 06:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:33252 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "cockatrice corpse", on T:33366 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:33368 06:05 Well that is an insane start, found a bones with yellow dragon scale mail 06:05 And early wish for premium heart 06:05 and got buer and eurynome early 06:05 madness! 06:05 But now to an interview I go 06:08 <@Umby> ack 06:08 <@Umby> clowned myself and crowned myself 06:08 <@Umby> forgot to let luck expire 06:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1000 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33872 06:15 -!- merleke has joined #hardfought 06:15 :D 06:15 King umby 06:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:34037 06:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1019004 points, T:34342, petrified by a cockatrice 06:21 <@Umby> Oh wow 06:21 <@Umby> !lastgame mmj 06:21 @Umby: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mmj/nethack/dumplog/1570458920.nh.html 06:23 <@Umby> what, they had a lizard corpse on them and walked past another 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:22861 06:27 the lack of a forced --More-- with cockatrice-related messages shows, I guess? 06:29 is msgtype in vanilla now? 06:30 hopefully it is 06:30 but I guess not everyone configures it to stop on "hissing", "stiffening" and similar messages 06:30 (cue me saying those messages should be set to stop in the default config file :P) 06:31 the default config is a mess anyway 06:31 autopickup on without pickup_types 06:31 the biggest offender 06:31 <@Umby> wew 06:31 lol 06:31 "e - a dwarf corpse. You stagger under your heavy load. Movement is very hard." 06:32 <@Umby> still, you'd think the mere presence of a cockatrice would warrant triple checking 06:32 "f - a statue of a jackal. You collapse under your load." 06:32 also picking up an item manually should be a free action for god's sake, after all picking up things via autopickup is also free 06:33 <@Umby> bones file found, someone died to a barracks of soldiers 06:33 free autopickup is another one of those strange things 06:33 (and then a certain variant made it so that autopickup just plain does not work in shops, so you can't pick up things without wasting a turn at all in there!) 06:33 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33 <@Umby> I also keep hearing noises in the distance 06:33 <@Umby> dunno what that means just yet 06:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:41 <@Umby> hm, whoever it was that dedded put up a fight at least 06:41 <@Umby> wow, died with Magicbane 06:41 <@Umby> welp 06:41 <@Umby> Cleaver too???? 06:42 <@Umby> and yet another SDSM 06:43 <@Umby> appears to have been an elven wizard from what I can gather 06:44 <@Umby> they got surrounded, got cocky, got dead 06:44 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 06:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 06:53 <@Umby> safe to say wishing for Gray might not be an option anymore 07:09 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8608 07:17 happy 19th birthday hardfought 07:17 \o/ 07:18 * bhaak throws a cream pie into the channel 07:18 wooo 07:18 fooood fiiiiight 07:18 !tequila everyone 07:18 * Beholder pours everyone a tall glass of Jack Daniels whiskey, brewed by TheresaMayBot at 24 degrees Fahrenheit. 07:18 thats not tequila 07:19 !tequila everyone 07:19 * Beholder tosses everyone a tumbler of extra añejo tequila, fermented by demogorgon at 377 Kelvin. 07:19 \o/ 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:25059 07:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:21 \o/ 07:21 heh 07:24 yay happy 19th 07:24 <@FIQ> Morning 07:25 morning 07:25 <@FIQ> hdf birthday today? nice! 07:25 ok off to work wooo 07:25 yeah 19th! 07:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:25649 07:30 <{Demo}2> yey hdf 07:32 <@Umby> Hey K2 and co. 07:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:54 hiya @Umby 07:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:22127 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:26423 08:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] nyxilia (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 30207 points, T:3093, killed by a jackal 08:34 does paralysis work on vlad in EH? I can't even remember how i have killed him before 08:35 he just drained 5 levels off me in 2 seconds and i decided to jet 08:39 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 08:42 <@Umby> good fucking god 08:42 <@Umby> yeah, get out of there 08:42 <@Umby> wish I knew tho D: 08:44 <{Demo}2> hmm sounds like drain res is basically mandated for that fight? geez. get a polyform with it i guess? 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:50203 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50207 08:45 yeah he sucks... drained me again. restore ability (potion) brings back the levels. that's what i did the first time 08:45 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10786 points, T:1070, killed by a coyote 08:45 i've got the ol' candelabrum though, and that's all that matters 08:46 no candles though, unless i missed them 08:46 that's probably some evil hack change 08:46 oh nvm.. i forgot i wasn't on the top level lol 08:47 i used to eye to leave, then went back and blocked the bottom exit with earth scroll, quaffed cursed gain level and fought him on the middle level 08:47 <@Umby> didja kill 'em 08:47 <@Umby> ? 08:49 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11932 points, T:623, killed by a Keystone Kop 08:50 yeah i killed him 08:50 in eh, he has an artifact weapon called Lifestealer 08:51 which is as about as fun as it sounds 08:51 <{Demo}2> sounds nice for barbs? 08:52 its basically like stormbringer minus the attack everything you bump into 08:52 in twohanded sword form 08:52 is that like thiefbane? 08:53 maybe? I cant remember thiefbane stats 08:53 1d8 +1 + level drain + cancellation + beheading 08:53 oooh no 08:53 heh 08:54 <@Umby> Oh no I recall the Lifestealer sword 08:55 <@Umby> Read up on Vlad, remember? 08:55 its from sporkhack 08:55 <@Umby> oh sweer jiminy jesus 08:55 <@Umby> there's a fire ant nest 08:56 <@Umby> I'm more than ready to take them but whew 08:56 <@Umby> that is a lot of ants 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:1306 08:58 <@Umby> speaking of stormbringer 08:59 I ♥ sporkhack 08:59 <@Umby> heh 08:59 <{Demo}2> im sorry for u 08:59 <@Umby> break time for me, gonna be afk 08:59 <@Umby> later y'all 08:59 <{Demo}2> who hurt u k2? ;P 09:00 <{Demo}2> that variant is more evil than grunt 09:00 but not more evil than evilhack 09:01 <{Demo}2> sure 09:03 alrighty candelabrum, bell, i know there's one more thing 09:03 hi 09:03 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 09:04 still have dispater and demo left actually 09:05 demo is generally considered a dangerous monster 09:05 !who 09:05 FIQ: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh363] oh6 [nh363] samiam [nh363] Bartlem [nh363] Noah [nh363] kitty [nh363] spleen [nh363] rootkit [tnnt] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] AlbertB [nh363] Raisse [tnnt] Dins [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:05 <{Demo}2> oh yeah oh yeah im a dangerous monster 09:06 {Demo}2 is especially dangerous 09:07 is that the other head 09:07 I have managed to find a "use" for scroll lock 09:07 it breaks VNC 09:07 with alt gr 09:08 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:11 i vaguely remember scroll lock doing something in rogue 09:11 (i was like 6 tho ) 09:11 I am currently using my desktop using advanced vnc technology 09:11 when scroll lock was enabled, alt gr also toggled alt 09:11 but didn't actually untoggle it when the key was released 09:11 ruining everything 09:12 took me a while to figure out what was goign on 09:12 *going on 09:13 wait, are you saying demogorgon might be a little tougher than dispater? 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:27657 09:13 rebatela: erm... yes 09:13 they're like on entirely different power levels 09:13 dispater is one of the easiest 09:13 demo is the hardest 09:13 yeah... im kidding, friend. sorry 09:13 unless you're playing dnh 09:14 there, dispater has a fondness for the flesh to stone monster spell 09:14 which can be a pain 09:14 a - thorougly rusted -3 ironybane 09:14 rebatela: sorry, I don't parse sarcasm very well 09:14 i've cast it on myself by accident more than once lol 09:14 over the internet 09:15 no one does. that's why i said sorry lol 09:15 you could just as well have been a new player who genuinely didn't know 09:15 :P 09:15 true 09:16 or hes a veteran player who just cuts down demogorgon every time and dispater keeps out of the way 09:16 bhaak: so generally I like posting my bug reports and similar on the wiki... but I'm far less sure on whether or not posting replies is a good idea 09:17 until these recent conversations I've had, I usually just post it on the wiki, but I never did with this one (initially out of laziness alone) 09:17 but in hindsight, is it even a good idea in first place? 09:17 in reality, i'm a still-learning player, debating whether to cursed gain level past demogorgon when i have the amulet 09:17 i felt guilty doing that last time though.. kinda want to kill him 09:18 except perhaps a "Replied" tag to note whether DT actually saw the report 09:19 you feel guilty over the lack of murder 09:19 interesting 09:20 i felt like it was the cheap way out 09:20 i have a ton of cursed gain levels though.. i'm going to stash some down here on the bottom and hopefully will remember them 09:20 couldve snacked on some tinned demogorgon in the demibar 09:22 yum 09:22 mmm... demogorgon food 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2275 points, T:2260, killed by a white unicorn 09:22 but I don't think demon lords leave corpses 09:22 hmm, right 09:23 can you even wish for tins of unique monsters meat 09:23 no 09:23 actually, last time i was so excited to have the amulet i forgot all about my plan to skip his level and walked right into his lair and had to fight him for a bit 09:23 some uniques do leave corpses 09:23 but you can't wish for tins of them 09:23 medusa leaves one 09:24 sometimes 09:24 not always 09:24 Croesus rarely leaves one. 09:24 lord surtur always leave one 09:24 since he's a giant 09:24 same with the healer nemesis, I forgot his name 09:24 rodney leaves one 09:24 demons dont leave corpses, ever 09:24 cyclops? 09:24 so if i'm going to fight him this game, I want to do it from the top, prepared, and w/out amulet 09:24 @v?the cyclops 09:24 No such monster. 09:24 @@v?the cyclops 09:24 the cyclops ~4~ Cyclops (H) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 12 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d8 weapon physical, 4d8 weapon physical, 2d6 claw amulet steal | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 09:24 FIQ: given that the mails have been send privately (at least somewhat), I'm not sure if it's a good idea to make them public. a summary might be a way out? 09:25 bhaak: perhaps a "(Replied + [Fixed|Accepted|Rejected])" 09:25 for a bug fix vs feature 09:26 that leaves little room for accidental reveal of too much to someone who may not want their email public 09:26 the contact us form on nethack.org should send an email autoreply with whatever communication was sent 09:26 what kind of features do people suggest to DT though? 09:26 for obvious reasons 09:26 <{Demo}2> ducks 09:26 goats 09:26 <{Demo}2> nethack needs ducks 09:26 K2: great idea, this would be a good way to make sure your communication doesn't vanish into the ether 09:26 no 09:26 <{Demo}2> k2 go play slashen 09:26 ahh that's right scroll lock in rogue was like holding shift in nh.. "fast mode" 09:27 hah 09:27 you pick it up and lose an experience level 09:27 aosdict: yeah no doubt 09:27 there's already a nethack GOAT, but I don't know if it's luxidream or tariru 09:27 !goat aosdict 09:27 K2's goat runs up and rams aosdict in the nose! Baaaaaa! 09:28 ow my nose. expect to get served a lawsuit for medical expenses and emotional damages 09:28 never sue poor people 09:28 Oh, I don't think the goat minds 09:28 goats have no monies 09:29 maybe they have bitcoin 09:29 dunno 09:29 aosdict: as long as they only give a confirmation if it does get sent 09:30 I've apparently had bug reports stuck in their spam filters because of links to patches/more info/something else 09:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Clk Fem Non), 25149 points, T:14135, killed by a giant 09:30 fixed later by ais523 after I ask to confirm whether it actually got sent 09:30 i follow up with a message in #nethack-dev sometimes 09:30 FIQ yeah 09:30 FIQ: I don't think that revealing too much info would be the problem. the answers I got were always phrased that way that you wouldn't be able to reveal more than intended. like 'not being able to sacrifice the amulet of yendor was fixed in the next version and also code for offering it to Moloch was added'. not detailed enough to know what was implemented 09:31 bhaak: but what about mail like PatR's reply to my question on menu width in curses 09:32 which contained opiniated stuff in addition to the reply to the actual question 09:32 that's the kind of thing I was asking about 09:32 mail like "fixed, thanks" are harmless 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4406 09:34 FIQ: about the perm_invent implications? something like 'the devteam became aware of description_of_problem"? 09:34 there was also this one mail (idk who prompted it but I saw a copy of the mail) that implied that DT disliked variant developers 09:34 such a mail could have gotten really controversial if made entirely public :P 09:34 I mean, that's only a description of the problematic nature of perm_invent on small terminal and nothing that people couldn't come up with themselves 09:35 bhaak: I suppose 09:35 But I just wanted to know where to draw the line 09:35 and figured it might be better to be vague just in case 09:35 as long as nothing of importance is lost 09:35 I mean 09:36 we're talking about a DT that deliberately slows down public commits 09:36 yeah, that's why I said that making the whole mails public could be problematic as the intended audience isn't the public 09:36 out of fear that something private might get out 09:36 FIQ: I'm reading that email exchange again, it's not that DT dislikes variant developers, it's that one of the main contributors is utterly dismissive of them 09:36 so I don't really know how far they'd want to go in terms of public exposure of mail reports 09:36 FWIW, you can always quote me verbatim from DT mails :-) 09:37 is there a new drama happening? 09:37 if this was a regular FOSS DT with no active secret-keeping I would never have asked 09:37 stennowork: not at all 09:37 ok 09:37 thank eris 09:37 I am merely trying to figure out how public I can make DT email conversions 09:37 drama sucks 09:37 without someone getting pissed 09:37 ... 09:37 I think everybody is aware that mails can leak, so I would guess that everything that gets sent to people outside of the DT has a chance of being quoted in public. 09:37 an extremely cathedral viewpoint - it doesn't matter what the community thinks, features in variants aren't indicative of what players want of course 09:38 that nhforks page is quite good at showcasing things with widespread community support 09:39 widespread variant support 09:39 K2: btw, does your slashem build include any extra QoL features such as autoopen? 09:39 stennowork: it's a ridiculous question in the usual case, but I figured that since we're dealing with people who fear public exposure of.. something? -- enough to slow down commits for a FOSS project for hours 09:39 aosdict i'd need to check 09:39 what kind of email is dangeous to be leaked when its about an opensource game anyway? 09:39 been awhile since i messed with the hdf slashem build 09:39 i think tsome of the devteam liked their status as some sort of elusive demigods and its hard for them to give that up 09:39 alex___: I could ask the same about commits 09:39 :P 09:39 FIQ, yeah its a bit of a FOSS project pressed upon an kathedral project 09:40 strange situation 09:40 FIQ: but the commits are open to anyone? 09:40 alex___: they get delayed several hours 09:40 deliberately 09:40 bhaak: The assumption is that if a feature is in 11/12 variants, it would be hard to find vanilla-only players who don't like that feature 09:40 aosdict: yeah slashem version on hdf has auto open 09:40 just in case 09:41 aosdict: you would at least expect complaining. but if it's a feature that can be switched off with an option, you won't possibly get that 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] kitty (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 364 points, T:1589, killed by a werejackal 09:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:42 I think most things on that page with a near-complete penetration (not SLASH'EM given that it's no longer in development) across variants are gameplay changes 09:42 stuff like poison instadeath and the mysterious force 09:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:46 mysterious force was even bad enouguh for LarienTelrunya 09:46 LarienTelrunya: SLASH'EM keeps the mysterious force, right? 09:46 FIQ: hell no, slashem removed that bullshit :P 09:46 ok, thanks 09:47 slashem also made it so that instead, you just can't teleport at all with the amulet 09:47 this means that the mysterious force is the one thing every single established variant removes 09:47 and for good reason :) 09:47 * Pinkbeast likes it 09:47 NetHack4 keeps it since it wants to remain close to vanilla 09:47 every other variant removes it or, in the case of dnh, nerfs it so heavily that it might as well be removed 09:48 dnh keeps it in the first few levels which is flavoured as the Endless Staircase 09:48 maybe the devteam will remove the MF for next version 09:48 oh slashem also has a few new skills: paddle, lightsaber, firearms 09:48 the only place in dnh Gehennom that still has no-featured mazes 09:49 <{Demo}2> they aren't no featured 09:49 <{Demo}2> they have xnh styled rooms now 09:49 they used to be 09:49 ah 09:49 cool 09:49 wise choice 09:49 xnethack gehennom is really nice 09:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:50 dnh gehennom still does it best IMO :P 09:50 heh 09:50 but xnh is a huge improvement 09:50 so I stile it for fh 09:50 *stole 09:50 mumble mumble i don't like it that much mumble 09:50 i thought about using ti for evilhack, but imo some things should be left alone. its xnethack's thing 09:50 since it didn't require me to redesign the entire Gehennom 09:50 K2: that ship has sailed 09:50 yeah yeah 09:50 my dungeon overhaul's take on gehennom is basically "copy the dnh gehennom and remove the insanity" 09:51 does splice integrate it? that'd be 3 other variants with it 09:51 aosdict: what is wrong with it? 09:51 evilhack's gehennom is more appropriate for the theme 09:51 its evil 09:51 and hard 09:51 K2: I've never had issues with people copying features from each other 09:51 that they like 09:51 it makes all varinats better in the end 09:51 me neither 09:51 but 09:51 BUT 09:52 to me, sometimes its best to let that variant be the only one that has X feature 09:52 * K2 shrugs 09:52 that's why you lobbied so hard for HTML dumps? 09:52 hahaha 09:52 html dumplogs is different 09:52 it cures cancer 09:53 "it's better if a variant is unique, unless it has something I want" 09:53 <{Demo}2> iirc aosdicts problem with his gehennom changes is ppl are picking them before they are ripe 09:53 FIQ hah 09:53 <{Demo}2> like, it's not done yet 09:53 I mean, fh was the one behind wand rebalance and spell maintenance 09:53 at least its not the slex approach 09:53 FIQ: 1) Still a lot of mazes with all the problems that entails 2) rooms are rectangular and forced into odd dimensions, and this is rather ugly 3) it doesn't really work to feel more hellacious 4) I have further plans for gehennom filler levels, and the current implementation is a stopgap 09:53 where do you think I got two thirds of my ideas than to rifle through long dead variants? 09:53 but neither of those features are unique anymore 09:53 <{Demo}2> html dumplogs suck 09:53 slex is the one variant that will forever be unique because no one ever steals anything from it (except dnethack) 09:53 you know whats cool? HTML dumplings 09:53 <{Demo}2> with plain text if you sort by size, you can find your best games 09:53 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 09:54 <{Demo}2> but with html that doesn't work 09:54 but with html you can use selectors 09:54 what did dnh steal from slex? 09:54 <{Demo}2> cause a dlvl1 game can have a bigger file than an asc 09:54 LarienTelrunya no one can steal anything from slex because you already took everything from every other variant 09:54 :P 09:54 LarienTelrunya: skill cap display 09:54 originated in slex 09:54 <{Demo}2> pokedex 09:54 should i make a spidermonkey script to evaluate dumplogs :D 09:54 yep, skill caps and pokedex, maybe one or two other things 09:54 maybe not 09:54 it's notable in being basically the only slex feature that is now somewhat widespread 09:54 pokedex is not unique to slex 09:54 actually the pokedex is from unnethackplus though 09:54 or thingymonkey or w/e its called nowadays 09:54 bhaak: html dumplogs in vanilla when 09:54 it originated (as non-pokedex) from unnethackplus 09:55 made its way into dynahack 09:55 tampermonkey? 09:55 later on slex took it (from unnethackplus) 09:55 dnh stole it from slex 09:55 fiqhack took it from dyna? 09:55 fiqhack also copied the idea (but not the code) and UI from dynahack 09:55 pokedex is the best feature of slex 09:55 imo 09:55 aosdict: yep 09:55 its a sick game that you play 09:55 and I think xnh took it from fh 09:55 we should merge all variants into one (minus slex, because slex is just crazy) 09:56 call it Nethack One 09:56 FIQ: which variants have this for objects as well 09:56 because at the time aosdict wasn't aware that it actually originated in dyna 09:56 stennowork: there used to be a time when slex didn't have a pokedex, and it was... very annoying to play :P 09:56 I believe only xnh has a fully featured version of it 09:56 NH4+friends has much better object help info, but it's not in a stats format or similar 09:56 for weapons/etc 09:56 oh i can imagine that 09:57 FIQ: did you see slex's in-game object info? I dare say it's rather good :) 09:57 and IIRC splice and evil both took xnh's pokedex implementation 09:57 evilhack did not take any pokedex anything 09:57 aosdict: that reminds me, does xnh handle curses properly for monster lookup? 09:57 slex had problems with it 09:57 making it basically useless 09:58 it didn't deal with newlines properly 09:58 so the window was all messed up 09:58 K2: how do I access evil monster lookup 09:58 nethackwiki 09:59 or ask me 09:59 :P 09:59 oh 09:59 FIQ: It appears that it handles curses properly 09:59 aosdict said you copied it from xnh 09:59 git and grep 09:59 but it's not there 09:59 very well 09:59 aosdict was mistaken 09:59 imagine that... aosdict was wrong about something ;) 10:00 maybe i should add the pokedex 10:00 whats the pokedex? 10:00 in game lookup of monster/object/etc info 10:01 hows it different from farlook?i havent seen it 10:01 note that xnh implementation isn't bug free (you can't look up wand of death because it resolves to Death instead, for instance) 10:01 er actually the opposite 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 39 points, T:161, killed by a jumping spider 10:05 aosdict: it should also say which weapon skill it uses 10:05 it's usually obvious, but not always 10:05 for weapons 10:06 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #hardfought 10:06 it should also probaly have artifact info 10:07 even ADOM, with its insane spoiler demand, has this (requiring a "Greater Identify") 10:07 <{Demo}2> dnh has really good in game item docs now 10:07 artifact info would just be a mound of one-artifact special cases 10:07 what do you mean? 10:07 4k generates spoilers from artifacts 10:07 no need to special cas 10:07 e 10:08 oh I need to write a case for artifacts that require 25 Str to throw and return to the user's hand once thrown? well, only mjollnir fits that bill 10:08 since they are relatively small in number and tend to have good encyclopedia entries, I'm not really interested in trying to automate that. 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 49 points, T:89, killed by a bear trap 10:09 (encyclopedia entry automatically shows in monster/obj lookup( 10:09 heh, in slex every item has a handwritten description in invent.c, and so does every single artifact for that matter :) 10:09 they can be accessed in-game 10:10 * aosdict shuts brain off rather than think about that 10:10 K2: you should be able to #chat to the 8ball 10:10 smop 10:10 to get 8ball-y replies 10:10 you can 10:10 neat 10:10 apply it 10:10 meh 10:10 that's not #chatting 10:10 :P 10:11 heh 10:11 TDTTOE and all that 10:11 aosdict: just check if the 8ball and not a monster is there 10:11 doesn't seem like a smop to me 10:11 well i dont know how to tell the game to #chat an object, so... 10:12 I figured either if you try to talk to a monster who isn't there, or yourself with the 8ball in inventory 10:12 if (sobj_at(MAGIC___BALL, cc.x, cc.y)) verbalize("HI I'"); 10:12 you get "Talking to yourself is a bad habit for a dungeoneer." 10:13 er 10:13 *instead of getting "Talking to yourself is a bad habit for a dungeoneer.", you get an object prompt 10:13 sobj_at is the function to check for the presence of an object on the floor at a given location, use that :) 10:13 there should be a pocket dragon pet which lives in your inentory 10:13 which you can talk to 10:13 FIQ: smop in that what you get out of it is not worth what you put into it 10:14 aosdict: this is NetHack 10:14 it lives for these 10:14 :P 10:14 btw, am I the only one that sees a bug with the curses port with a terminal height of 29? 10:15 hmm, for that matter, I see two bugs. 10:16 bhaak: that's an old bug 10:16 ppf 10:16 oof 10:16 oof by one 10:16 reducint the height doesn't switch off borders if the terminal is too wide 10:16 if you mean the scroll behaviour 10:16 *map scroll behaviour 10:16 if your height was "just right" (wrong) 10:16 scrolls bars with the map, yes 10:16 it would apply scroll mode when it didn't have to 10:17 LarienTelrunya your magic 8-ball, is that from evilhack? 10:17 K2: that was just example code ;) 10:17 hah 10:17 what makes it especially notable is that it will also apply sideway scroll in that case 10:17 because the window creation functions doesn't account for need for scrollbar 10:18 bhaak: a while back I tried to implement better border behaviour 10:18 I kind of got it working except curses refreshing is really weird (the NetHack curses implementation I mean) 10:18 and it did stupid things 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:75860 10:20 basically I figured I'd make the base window handle the borders and let windows forget them entirely 10:21 but curses wasn't a big fan of me refreshing the base window and kept messing up the graphics as a result 10:21 what does "vague encyclopedia entries" mean for object lookup? every variant (including vanilla) has that... 10:21 I actually had similar results when I did a straight port to libuncursed a while back, so I suspect the existing curses code is to blame 10:22 also, should we differentiate between "full object lookup" and "base items only, no special info for artifacts"? 10:23 LarienTelrunya: nethack4 takes an interesting approach to not spoiling unspoiled players in the encyclopedia 10:23 LarienTelrunya: have you added an automatic link to nethackwiki? 10:24 bhaak: the splash screen of slex mentions nethackwiki I think? 10:24 in nethack4, each food item is described in terms of apples to avoid spoiling people by giving them numbers 10:25 <@Umby> LOL 10:25 <@Umby> so uh 10:25 <@Umby> remember that fire ant nest I mentioned earlier? 10:25 I think it does something similar with weapons for short swords, but I'm not sure 10:25 weapons are described in terms of better or worse than other weapons, or adjectives for damage for small and large 10:25 i like it 10:25 i am fine with the game not giving you too many numbers btw 10:25 every metallic armor piece comes with a disclaimer that metal hinders spellcasting 10:26 <@Umby> turns out the nest is in the room with the downstair 10:26 stennowork: as a developer who may be tweaking these numbers, I find it to be extremely inflexible 10:26 well then 10:26 <@Umby> As I discovered by falling through a trap door to Medusa's floor 10:26 aosdict, mm 10:26 <@Umby> and climbing my way back up 10:27 ok i can see that 10:27 slex (and slashem) have shopkeeper services that can tell the player how much damage a weapon does :D 10:27 understandable 10:27 here's an example of an egg: it is not particularly filling, about as filling as an orange, more filling than an apple, but about 1/10 as filling as a food ration 10:27 ^ nethack4 encyclopedia 10:27 lists all those things 10:27 nice 10:27 lol 10:28 <@luxidream> basically as informative as crawl 10:28 <@luxidream> :p 10:28 every rechargeable tool states that it requires "magical means" to replace the charges 10:28 <@luxidream> crawl will tell you some monster has ac:+++++++ 10:28 <@luxidream> what do all the pluses mean? 🤷 10:28 well but can i not match the number of +'s directly to the number of AC? 10:29 apparently not 10:29 <@luxidream> the game never tells you this 10:29 nethack4 flail entry: "It does about as much damage as a scimitar, saber or long sword against smaller enemies, but has only a minimal bonus against larger ones." 10:29 <@luxidream> so you need to use the knowledge bots which have the specific numbers 10:29 non intuitive 10:30 @luxidream IIRC its stealth value at least used to be completely useless 10:30 ingame stealth judgement I mean 10:30 the highest it was willing to show you still wasn't that good IIRC 10:31 slex flail entry: "A basic flail. It doesn't do a lot of damage." 10:31 <@luxidream> I didn’t know that actually 10:32 <@luxidream> Crawl suffers from this problem in several places though 10:32 ok so 10:32 <@luxidream> spellpower is one of the worst offenders imo 10:32 someone (PatR) iirc made a 3-line curses status bar 10:32 the 3rd line is almost empty 10:32 <@luxidream> because each tick isn’t even worth the same amount 10:32 great! we can now put more statuses on that line at once! 10:32 >statuses still display on the overcroweded 2nd line 10:32 ???????? 10:33 what goes on the 3rd line 10:33 LarienTelrunya: I meant in the pokedex. so you can get the description and click to get the nethackwiki entry. just a thought. :-) 10:34 Dlvl:5 T:9549 10:34 2nd line, for comparision: Neutral $:0 HP:65(66) Pw:49(49) AC:-10 Xp:6/357 10:34 isn't 3-line status bar from NH4? 10:34 bhaak: uuhh... many slex-specific items and monsters don't have nethackwiki entries 10:34 or was that the message line 10:34 stennowork: PatR made an entirely new 3-statusline 10:34 gotcha 10:34 LarienTelrunya: even better. then the players can fill it themselves :-) 10:34 but yes, I vastly prefer the NH4 one 10:34 oof 10:34 but I don't think I can get away with re-implementing it? 10:35 it used to be included 10:35 3.4.3curses has it 10:35 FIQ: I find the nh4 one rather uninforming. so much empty space. 10:35 ais desperately wants to remove all the remaining 21-tall levels for a 3-line status bar 10:35 but it's called classic_status there (to mimic dyna+fh) 10:35 bhaak: do you now 10:35 how is it uninforming? 10:35 it has everything 2line status have, + hitpoint and pw bar 10:35 which is a major improvement IMO 10:35 but somehow it looks cramped 10:36 I'm partial to the pw bar. 10:36 are you thinking of acehack's 2lien status bar? 10:36 which didn't bother listing attributes 10:36 because, you know, who cares about those 10:36 *2line 10:36 actually I think it might actually still exist in NH4 if you use 80x24 10:36 it sucks 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of brilliance", on T:31684 10:37 I prefer the old status line to new 2line status 10:37 but I find the 3-line status display the best across them all 10:37 -!- merleke has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38 I'm thinking of the one that has the attributes on the top right corner on 2 lines and on the 3rd line any temporary effects. 10:38 ok, got it 10:38 stennos tip of the day: disregard all players who don't play 80x24/80x25 10:38 I like that one 10:38 problem solved 10:38 the best 10:38 nothing to worry about anymore 10:38 bhaak: what do you think of patr's? 10:39 one sec 10:39 I think I haven't run it yet 10:39 http://home.fiq.se/patr_status.png 10:40 how do I get that? 10:40 play 3.6.x curses 10:40 the statuslines option that like numbers 10:40 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:40 with statuslines:3 10:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:40 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 10:41 also I think only 2 and 3 are actual options 10:41 notice how my hunger status appear on the SECOND line 10:41 what about, I don't know 10:41 using the 3rd one where there's so much free space 10:41 ? 10:42 isn't it that all actual status tags should be at the end of the botl? 10:42 because they are flexible 10:42 aside from that I don't think it's as pretty as nh4status but if you make statuses be put on the 3rd line instead, it works well enough 10:42 if you now add a second status, it will move the 3rd line, right? 10:42 <@Tone> Does it overflow to the third line or just abbreviate statuses? 10:42 Tone: I'll check what happens 10:43 my quick and dirty solution for unnethack was to put all temporary status effects on the third line *at fixed locations* 10:43 all temporary status effects must be the last entries of the respective row 10:46 oh, I was running a version from last year. but I saw the statuslines option nevertheless 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1862 points, T:3208, killed by a giant mimic 10:48 damn, did I already complain about that the build system is still not good? 10:48 -!- merleke has joined #hardfought 10:48 Is there any easily available lava outside of gehennom? 10:49 <@Tone> On some quests 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 380 points, T:1733, killed by a giant bat 10:50 damn i love jettyplay 10:50 why did i not use this sooner 10:51 FIQ: interesting. hungry is on 2nd line but stuff like confusion or levitation is on 3rd 10:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55 hey, that stuff is pretty old. at least half a year. and he did the work I didn't want to do with proper feature propagation 10:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 495 points, T:1306, killed by a brown mold 10:59 bhaak: just messed around a bit, while for some reason the 3rd statuses begin beneath where the 2nd ones begin 11:00 it does fallback to right-alignment if there's too much 11:00 so you can't run out of space there I think unless you have basically all possible statuses on astral with a high turncount 11:01 !who 11:01 K2: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh363] Xaleth [nh363] Noah [nh363] theFreightTrain [nh363] Lettuce [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] dragonspeaker [dnh] Everdying [evil] | [hdf-eu] marie [nh363] spontiff [nh363] AlbertB [nh363] Raisse [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:01 however, it's fairly easy to run out of space on the 2nd line by being overtaxed and satiated with typical endgame stats 11:01 to be fair, high turncount means 2^63-1 nowadays :P 11:01 it ends up disabling xp display in that case 11:02 So while the default approach looks a bit weird IMO with only 3rd-line statuses (why not just right-align it unconditionally) it never runs out of room 11:03 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:03 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1225 11:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:29387 11:07 Lol my pet arch lich keeps summoning undead 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29389 11:07 but they are not peaceful to me 11:07 So it's just a free wraith-eating-fest 11:07 \o/ 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 278 points, T:1993, killed by a kitten 11:08 inb4 choked on a wraith corpse 11:08 heh 11:09 !whereis bubbles_nh 11:09 FIQ: bubbles_nh is not playing. 11:10 ah dnh 11:10 complain to chris 11:10 !who 11:10 jonathanhanes_: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh363] Noah [nh363] Xaleth [nh363] Luxidream [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] luxor [slshm] dragonspeaker [dnh] | [hdf-eu] marie [nh363] spontiff [nh363] AlbertB [nh363] Raisse [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:10 hmm 11:10 tnnt and fh shares color 11:10 might be my problem, not Chris 11:10 how is a dnh problem yours? 11:11 what did you DO 11:11 how beholder bot sees whereis 11:11 K2: oh I was telling him to complain to chris about the pets summoning hostile thing 11:11 but yeah, I don't know why dnh didn't provide whereis info, since it does have it in the code 11:11 actually 11:11 !whereis bubbles 11:11 FIQ: [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh]: (Bin Orc Mal Non) T:17576 Neutral Quest level: 15 11:11 works 11:11 so not really a problem 11:11 just wrong nick :P 11:12 ahahaha 11:12 doh 11:12 minor crisis averted 11:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12 so if I want an ADOM ultra ending 11:12 I need to find an amulet of life saving 11:13 so far I've scoured most of the required parts of the game and some of the optional ones 11:13 guess I'll just continue wandering around the optional parts 11:13 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 11:14 FIQ why would I complain? 11:14 FIQ It's a boon (in this case) 11:14 Although it's funny that she summons them and then tries to kill them 11:15 bubbles_nh: because it's clearly a bug 11:15 even if it benefits you 11:15 Agreed 11:15 6939 days since oct 22nd 2000 11:15 crazy 11:16 !tell Chris_ANG My pet lichy is summoning monsters that are hostile to her (and me) 11:16 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bubbles_nh. 11:18 K2, what is !uptime on hdf? 11:18 er 11:18 i mean uptime lol 11:18 !uptime 11:20 that command doesnt exist 11:20 i rebooted all the servers a couple months ago to patch the kernel 11:20 what is it on the server :P 11:21 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 11:21 nethack on hardfought turns 3 yrs old in february 11:21 evilhack turned 1 yr old 2 days ago :P 11:22 -!- inari has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:22 -!- realinari is now known as inari 11:24 <@IceBox> nethack on hardfought? Was something else on hardfought prior to then? 11:24 counterstrike 11:25 i assume since beta 11:25 did hardfought evolve from dank.ninja 11:25 no 11:25 whew 11:25 <@IceBox> ah, that was gonna be my guess, i guess hardfought.org's webpage makes that somewhat clear 🙂 11:25 acehack.de -> dank.ninja -> ascension.run 11:25 oh, right, thanks 11:25 ok -> bad -> great 11:26 <@IceBox> the true pokemon evolution 11:26 :D 11:26 hehe 11:27 when pokemon grow up they get ugly! they shouldn't evolve! 11:28 @iceBox when hardfought was created, it was initally a quake2/quake3 and counterstrike server 11:28 counterstrike really took off 11:29 hosted it for years (original and cs: source) 11:29 maybe i even played on your server in 20xx 11:29 hosted a few other games too - halo for pc, battlefield , call of duty, team fortress 2 11:29 played 1.3 mostly 11:30 and then i didnt host anything for a long stretch 11:30 stennowork maybe. i only ever had servers in the US 11:30 FPS servers require a lot of horsepower and bandwidth, which costs $$$ 11:31 i hosted a few other titles too, but some were short-lived 11:31 crysis was one 11:31 but the server executable wanted to use video card resources just like the client 11:31 <{Demo}2> whats the worst thing thats ever happened to hdf? 11:31 you 11:31 ouch 11:31 :P 11:31 ding dong 11:32 <{Demo}2> :P 11:32 i kid 11:32 hmm lets see 11:32 "what's the worst thing to ever happen?" -"i, kid." 11:32 ouch 11:32 el cid 11:32 remember that i had shortly full cross-domain scripting privileges on HDF 11:33 thanks to HTML dumplogs 11:33 <{Demo}2> yeah thats pretty bad true 11:33 briefly 11:33 yes 11:33 and i grayhatted it 11:33 <{Demo}2> there wasnt any notable abuse of it 11:33 one of the worst things was from over a decade ago. had shared hosting for the site, the box my site was on was compromised 11:33 <{Demo}2> ah shit 11:33 hundreds of sites on that same box also 11:33 used as spambot 11:34 damnj 11:34 was there for a couple years unnoticed 11:34 >.< 11:34 i found it, alerted the hosting company 11:34 but damage was done 11:34 my domain was blacklisted for a good long while 11:34 spamhaus and sorbs 11:35 <{Demo}2> damn 11:35 yeah 11:35 but this was a long time ago 11:35 like, 2006-2007 11:36 and i made some mistakes over the years in dealing with certain disruptive community members (FPS titles attract a lot of cheaters and such) 11:37 You displaced your invisible arch-lich. There are several objects here. 11:37 It touches the lich. Something casts a spell at the lich! The lich is slowing down. 11:37 The lich turns to stone. 11:37 Lich-on-Lich action 11:37 hot 11:37 some decisions I made or things i said could have been handled better 11:37 but yeah, lessons learned 11:38 <{Demo}2> if someone cheats on ur server u gotta challenge them to a rap battle and the victor walks away with their head 11:38 electric bugaloo 11:38 i can rap 'jam on it' from memory 11:39 old school yo 11:39 <{Demo}2> i see how hdf has lasted so long then :P 11:39 i bet k2 knows all the funky hip hop of the 80s 11:39 * K2 is doing gang signs you cant see 11:39 stennowork hahah 11:39 i say a hip, a hop, a hippety hippety hop 11:39 or w/e that goes 11:40 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:40 thats 'rappers delight' 11:40 "Hip-hop, hippie to the hippie, to the hip-hip-hop and you don't stop" 11:40 yeah 11:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpxaaM6wkZw <--- jam on it 11:42 yes very oldschool 11:42 awww that version cuts some of it out 11:42 full version is like 8-10 min long 11:42 maybe a bit too long for a radio single 11:43 not a fan of the funky rap 11:43 my favorite music is 80's hard rock 11:43 uh 11:43 but jam on it is awesome 11:43 van halen, ac/dc and the stuff? 11:43 hell yeah 11:43 i think we talked about van halen before 11:44 VH is my favorite band 11:44 yeah 11:44 reason why i learned to play guitar 11:44 <@Umby> tfw your biggest threat in the quest is drowning and not watching where your teleportitis takes you, which can lead to drowning 11:44 can you play eruption now 11:44 heard 'eruption' - mind blown 11:44 i can play some of it 11:44 neat 11:44 -!- inari has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44 * K2 is really rusty 11:44 <@Umby> that said I want to punt whoever decided every nonquasit enemy should be a goddamn ochre jelly 11:44 here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI7XiJgt0vY 11:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ana Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1299 11:45 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 11:45 i taught myself how to play 'cathedral' when I was 18 11:45 when i figured it out i was like OMG 11:45 :D 11:46 In dnh monsters don't care about metal for spellcasting rihgt? 11:46 K2: the board game Cathedral? 11:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2WRGVJLZu0 <--- van halen's cathedral 11:46 oh 11:46 * aosdict knows how to play the board game Cathedral but not van halen's cathedral 11:46 heh 11:47 he's only playing half the notes 11:47 set delay, 100% level of original, one repeat 11:47 approx 350ms 11:47 play inbetween the delayed notes 11:48 really cool effect 11:48 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636229341365141576/Capture_2019-10-22-11-48-01.png 11:48 wooohoo @Umby 11:48 <@Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/635917481072132106/Capture_2019-10-21-15-08-55.png ah did it 11:48 did you kill ixoth with an egg 11:48 A pit fiend egg? 11:48 FR: wooden nymph - highly flammable 11:49 lol 11:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:49 <@Umby> What no 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of displacement", on T:32131 11:49 <@Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636229341365141576/Capture_2019-10-22-11-48-01.png 11:50 dammit this makes me want to break out the electric guitar 11:50 <@Umby> How did my phone still have that copied lmao 11:50 but i dont have any effects pedals or an amp 11:50 <@Umby> Magicbane at most of the curses just by carrying it 11:51 <@Umby> only one other item got hecked and I haven't used it in forever 11:51 <@Umby> tbf I did actually get a fight from Ixoth 11:52 Hmm my lich just killed acerekcak but I'm not entirely sure where \o/ 11:53 Also no beholder? 11:53 I bet it's because it didn't see the pet kill him 11:53 Which is a bit weird 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4845 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3594 12:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:76010 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4015 12:12 <@Umby> Feels good to clear out Ludios using conflict 12:13 heh 12:13 <@Umby> gonna have to watch for dragons though 12:13 ft ludios + conflict + grunthack is crazy 12:13 all you need is a couple soldiers with arrows/bolts of detonation 12:13 chunk fest 12:13 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:17 <{Demo}2> very fun and gory 12:17 rebatela, you on here? 12:17 Easiest way to drop polymorph? 12:17 in dnh 12:19 Oh it timed out 12:19 Weird 12:19 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19 <@Umby> oh wow 12:19 <@Umby> acid blasts can be reflected 12:21 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 12:22 Tricky situation, I made a loot pile of things too heavy to carry inside my temple 12:22 one thing lead to another, and now there's an angry temple priest camping by my spellbooks...notably spellbook of Identify 12:23 I'm gonna teleport in there and snatch em, but this is giving me heartburn 12:23 All emple people are racists 12:23 I hate them. 12:24 -!- inari has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24 temple 12:24 now he's havin' a go at the emple people... 12:24 Tempted to kill and sac him on his own altar 12:24 HAHA 12:24 fo real 12:24 Which I believe is OK for binders 12:24 Not OK in general though 12:25 binder? 12:25 what variant is that in 12:25 dnh 12:25 The ONLY variant 12:25 The one true hack 12:25 Praise be to Chris_ANG!!! 12:25 wholololol 12:25 oh... 12:26 the temple is peaceful 12:26 "you experience a sense of peace" 12:26 I guess they de-aggro after a certain number of turns? 12:27 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 12:27 nope, nevermind, still hostile 12:29 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 24836 points, T:1603, killed by a blast of frost 12:29 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Ixoth, on T:32216 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32218 12:31 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:37 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23716 points, T:1452, killed by a homunculus 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9993 12:39 K2 any idea when flying how I might still go swimming in some water? 12:39 I have intrinsic flying 12:41 nevermind, I can dip 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 29575 points, T:10580, killed by a forest centaur 12:47 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 12:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49 <@Umby> guys 12:49 <@Umby> guys 12:49 <@Umby> wish from Croesus's throne 12:50 Magic marker! 12:50 nice 12:50 <@Umby> do I go magic marker or 12:50 <@Umby> something else 12:50 I got my first magic marker in EH last night 12:50 wish for a pair of high-heeled blue velvet sandals <3 12:50 <@IceBox> what else do you have Umby? 12:50 from Soko 12:50 blessed cursed greased -2 partly eaten chickatrice corpse 12:50 <@IceBox> reflect, MR, etc? 12:50 Larien, that's what you would wish for, I see 12:51 what do you have on you Umby? 12:51 <@Umby> SDSM, quest artifact, amulet of reflection, Amy go away, cloak of magic resistance 12:51 how is your AC, and other defenses? 12:51 <@Umby> bit low tbh 12:51 <@IceBox> with all that i'd def do MM 12:51 SDSM is solid 12:51 <@Umby> I have a bunch of acrolls, just haven't ID'd 12:51 what role are you playing? 12:51 <@Umby> Knight 12:51 LarienTelrunya: I tried that wish to see if it would actually resolve to anything but it doesn't 12:51 @Umby: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YnYAAOSwK-1dLrw5/s-l300.jpg :D (safe for work unless your boss considers shoes NSFW) 12:51 have Excalibur? 12:51 <@Umby> yes 12:52 k 12:52 <@Umby> @LarienTelrunya: no 12:52 ebay should filter out "aos" from their urls. make life easier for me 12:52 aww, but they're beautiful! 12:52 Blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail 12:52 <@Umby> Like the kind I wore all the way here? 12:53 you already have that? 12:53 <@Umby> Since the bones I found in mines 12:53 <@Umby> :B 12:53 ah 12:53 <@IceBox> magic marker's the best call here, no doubt 12:53 well great 12:53 AntiVirus: he said sdsm 12:53 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 12:53 <@IceBox> helm of bril or book of magic missile for the funsies, but not as practical 12:53 blessed +3 fixed greased cloak of magic resistance then, and never look back 12:53 <@Umby> already tried that from a lamp wish 12:54 <@Umby> didn't get the +3 12:54 doesn't matter, its about averages 12:54 <{Demo}2> LarienTelrunya: https://i.imgur.com/0dFxBHZ.png why isnt wearing shoes like this a thing in slex? 12:54 +3 is the best number to wish for on average 12:54 <@Umby> HoB is genuinely tempting 12:54 yeah but you'll step into a poly trap and have a very bad day without MR 12:54 <@Umby> amulet of unchanging :B 12:55 {Demo}2: uhh lol? that probably wouldn't be very effective 12:55 <@Umby> life saving would be super nice tho 12:55 yeah so keep your ammy slot free 12:55 <@Umby> but idk if I'd take that over a MM 12:55 <{Demo}2> but the nu can wear 3 shoes 12:55 and get magic resistance, and you're protected from most everything that can kill you 12:55 <{Demo}2> i want speed boots on my head 12:55 death wands... 12:55 <{Demo}2> so i can think fast 12:55 -!- inari has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 <@Umby> I have the cloak of magic resistance already. 12:55 <@Umby> Per the lamp wish? 12:55 ok, then speed boots next, have them? 12:55 <@Umby> Just no enchantment 12:56 and also has the magic mirror of merlin for extra resistance 12:56 <@Umby> Actually no, is good idea 12:56 All the chaos monster keep disappearing :-\ 12:56 <@Umby> but magic marker... 12:56 but SPEED 12:56 <@Umby> but item IDs 12:56 extra speed is so helpful 12:56 you can out run monsters that are a threat 12:56 and attack multiple times 12:56 <@Umby> (can actually wait, but the marker still tempts me) 12:57 you can always find a marker if you live long enough :) 12:57 <@Umby> blessed fireproof +3 speed boots is my current wish in mind 12:57 <@Umby> any final arguments? 12:57 I think my pet is chasing them to the upstairs an killing them there 12:57 But I can't find them anywhere or their loot 12:58 hmm, I know what you mean tho. Writing Identify book is soo awesome 12:58 but what are the chances for a knight? I have no idea 12:58 <@Umby> nah, scrolls 12:58 ah 12:58 <@Umby> book does nothing for me 12:58 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:58 speedboots are going to make you a killing machine with all the gear you already have 12:59 <@Umby> I'll be closer to one as soon as I figure out what the enchant weapon scroll is 12:59 <@Umby> + enchant armor 13:00 ah yeah 13:00 sometimes there just arn't enough ID scrolls 13:00 so Price ID and some safe testing are probably what you need to restort to 13:00 wear a trash weapon and armor and start reading 13:00 <@Umby> Maybe 13:00 <@Umby> 🤔 13:00 <@Umby> Anyway, speed boots it is then? 13:01 you'll wear them for the rest of the game 13:01 but yeah, make sure fireproof 13:02 <@IceBox> my final argument is that speed boots are unnecessary Umby 🙂 13:02 <@IceBox> unless you've made the wish 13:02 how do you figure IceBox. Just curious 13:03 <@IceBox> intrinsic speed from a wand is more than enough to get through the game in general, and then a single blessed speed potion (or two) gets you through astral if needed 13:03 <@IceBox> not saying speed boots aren't amazing 13:03 I see your point 13:03 <@Umby> Already wished, but I'll keep this in mind for sure 13:03 <@IceBox> just saying if you're going for uber optimization, they dont beat a magic marker 13:03 I'd rather be very fast, but I do always go for speed monster wand ASAP if I can too 13:03 <@Umby> I've yet to ascend, I wanna actually win before I try optimizing 13:03 <@IceBox> yeah, again there's no doubt Very Fast is a fricken awesome thing 13:04 <@IceBox> you can still ascend as "very fast" just snag a speed potion 13:04 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 13:04 <@Umby> I have a couple of speed wands but I already have intrinsic speed from xl7 13:04 <@IceBox> but yeah it's one more thing that you might forget 13:04 I'll give it like 30 seconds Umby, then you're gonna realize what kinda sports car you're driving now ;) 13:04 <@Umby> I've had speed + speedboots before lmao 13:05 <@Umby> This is just the furthest I've got as a knight 13:05 I'm sure you have lol 13:05 how far? 13:05 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05 <@IceBox> nothing is faster than Very Fast, so speed + intrinsic speed + speed boots doesn't mean anything, at least in vanilla 13:05 <@IceBox> it's a common misconception that they stack in some way 13:05 Right, you just get the fastest speed from boots, full time without exceptions and no time limit 13:06 It's so worth it 13:06 <@IceBox> very sexy indeed 13:06 markers rock, no doubt about that 13:06 <@Umby> Currently leaving Croesus's pad 13:06 did you get the castle wand yet? 13:06 <@IceBox> it would be neat to see a chart or something about speeds. I dont actually know offhand how much intrinsic speed helps 13:06 -!- inari has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 <@IceBox> like Very Fast makes you faster than basically everything 13:07 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:07 <@IceBox> but i dont know what % of monsters you beat with only Fast 13:07 <@luxidream> 12 -> 16 -> 20 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 43 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42016 13:07 <@IceBox> those are the base speed values, lux? 13:07 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Speed 13:07 there's a chart 13:07 this is you as 'very fast' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-eMdMsMgCU 13:07 in the wiki 13:07 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636249397935603731/Capture_2019-10-22-12-33-41.png 13:08 <@Umby> highlights 13:08 haha K2 that's me after my coffee 13:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636249423361474576/Capture_2019-10-22-13-02-37.png 13:08 <@luxidream> Tone and I think speed boots are a bad wish 13:08 <@luxidream> make of that what you will 😛 13:08 <@Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636249397935603731/Capture_2019-10-22-12-33-41.png 13:08 <@Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636249423361474576/Capture_2019-10-22-13-02-37.png 13:08 @luxidream you are fake news 13:08 :P 13:08 -!- realinari has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08 <@Umby> first image: Croesus thinking he can do my job 13:08 <@IceBox> #NotMyWish 13:08 <{Demo}2> charge ur phone 13:09 ^ haha 13:09 <@Umby> second image: YAFM from kicking away my old boots 13:09 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:10 -!- realinari has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 whatever doods, 5 moves every 3 turns will save ur life. 13:11 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:11 sometimes i opt for water walking boots over speed boots 13:11 <@IceBox> and sometimes i kick you RIGHT in the shin for saying such silly things 13:11 and some players will switch to jumping boots for astral 13:11 <@Umby> oh yeah, gonna need magical breathing if I get to the planes 13:11 <@luxidream> try ascending without them 13:11 <@luxidream> you barely notice the difference 13:12 Cross the Astral when you get there 13:12 ;) 13:12 <@IceBox> without what, speed boots? @luxidream 13:12 first you have to get there... 13:12 <@luxidream> yes 13:12 <@IceBox> it's true, again especially with a speed potion 13:12 but, by all means, golfbag some water walking & breathing & levitation on the way 13:13 <@IceBox> @Umby you really dont need magical breathing either, water plane is just tedious 13:13 <@IceBox> if you can make it without taking a dive you'll have a lot more resources to work with 13:13 <@IceBox> unless you have an oilskin bag i guess 13:13 <@luxidream> water turbulence 13:13 you need mb in evilhack 13:13 oh absolutely 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:33540 13:13 <@Umby> Oh 13:13 <@luxidream> umby is not playing evilhack 13:13 wuss 13:13 <@IceBox> yeah you're just on vanilla right umby? 13:13 <@Umby> That's the version of plane of water I was /thinking/ of though 13:13 haha, it just got real 13:14 <@Umby> Yes 13:14 <@luxidream> wow, if you're not playing evilhack, I guess you're a bad player 13:14 <@luxidream> rofl 13:14 <@IceBox> yeah with speed boots you dont need mb, you can safely chill out in a bubble 13:14 yeah 13:14 <@Umby> Saving for now 13:14 i made evilhack for bad players (read: myself) 13:14 <@Umby> I think I'm gonna try more sacrifices with the create monster stuff I got 13:15 <@IceBox> just maxxing luck? 13:15 <{Demo}2> the evilhack water plane move is scare mons scroll and wait for portal 13:15 <@Umby> there's an aligned temple a few floors down 13:15 <@Umby> It was already maxed lol, accidentally crowned early 13:15 <@IceBox> haha, whatchu saccing for? 13:15 <@Umby> something 13:15 <@Umby> anything at all 13:15 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15 <@IceBox> ah yes, of course 13:15 <@Umby> :B 13:15 <@Umby> I might not do it just yet tbh 13:16 <@IceBox> are you through castle? 13:16 <@Umby> nah 13:16 <@Umby> Medusa's isle is my next main target 13:16 well, plenty of wishes left to go 13:16 <@Umby> have a ring of levitation for it 13:16 <@IceBox> you ascended before? 13:16 <@Umby> non 13:16 <@IceBox> cool, exciting stuff then 13:16 do you also have a blindfold? 13:17 <@IceBox> SDSM, so he can look right at medusa's sexy face 13:17 <@Umby> I've been as far as Gehennom and killing the Wizard previously 13:17 excellent 13:17 <@Umby> also I have a towel :B 13:17 <@IceBox> for mopping up medusa's blood after she's been murdered 13:17 @Umby has a towel. he's fine 13:17 haha 13:17 dont panic 13:17 <@Umby> lol 13:17 ready to take on the universe 13:18 <@IceBox> what killed you in the game where you killed the wizard? 13:18 swiss army knife of the galaxy 13:18 yeah, it sounds like he's set 13:18 Swiss amy knife 13:18 <@IceBox> late game splat stories are my fetish 13:18 now that he has speed boots, you'll get the castle wand lol 13:18 New item 13:18 have conflict? 13:18 <@luxidream> does a towel still count for weaponless 13:18 ring of conflict? 13:18 <@Umby> That's a character I still have atm 13:18 bubbles_nh: why is it named after me :P 13:19 <@Umby> Just haven't done much with them because I'd have to remember what the hell I was doing when I saved last time 13:19 <@luxidream> because it has everything 13:19 <@luxidream> it can even be a shoe 13:19 <@Umby> The best run I've actually lost though was an Arc 13:19 <@Umby> Forgot what I had but I was pretty fucking loaded 13:19 <@Umby> then Demogorgon happened 13:19 <@IceBox> oh shittles, the 'ol demo 13:20 Folks, I have a question of my own 13:20 <@IceBox> someone remind me, scare monster on the upstair takes care of demo? 13:20 <@Umby> Turned into an uphill battle of sisyphean proportions, so much shit got cursed 13:20 I lost on astral plane yesterday:'( 13:20 Or the day before 13:20 my aligned priest is pissed. I'm strong enough to kill any shopkeeper 13:20 <@IceBox> oof, sorry bubbles, what did you in? 13:20 Don't kill him 13:20 <@Umby> to the point where I was literally out of options 13:20 Anti do not 13:20 I have like 10k in gold...should I just dump all that dead weight? 13:20 Mega alignment hit 13:20 <@luxidream> are you magic resistant 13:20 <@Umby> decided to quit 13:20 no I certainly won't kill him 13:20 <@IceBox> demo curses stuff? 13:20 I'm wondering "What good is gold?" 13:20 <@luxidream> you can find a temple somewhere else 13:20 <@luxidream> just stash the gold 13:20 k 13:20 Protection and that is it 13:21 <@IceBox> ^ 13:21 yeah I can stash it and lvl port back later 13:21 Moloch has a temple just before gehennom 13:21 that sells protection 13:21 And I guess clairvoyance 13:21 can you safely buy that protection tho? 13:21 Icebox it was some high level angel 13:21 from Moloch? 13:21 I was basically indestructible and was pressing esc too much 13:21 Yeah 13:21 (unless 3.6 changed it) 13:21 Weirdly. 13:21 ok, cool 13:21 Except fucking moloch still won't deal with us LOWLY BINDERS 13:21 scum 13:22 It makes no sense that Moloch will grant you protection to steal his amulet X) 13:22 but good to know 13:22 I'm just looking to drop weight, and rn this money looks tempting 13:22 <@IceBox> hey man unaligned priests are the chillest mofos 13:22 <@IceBox> they dont care where the money comes from 13:22 nice, learn something every day 13:22 thx 13:23 <@Umby> When it doubt I usually try to stash gold 13:23 epi: when you get the amulet, you lose all protection gained from moloch's priest 13:23 <@Umby> Can't take it with me lol 13:23 remember you lose protection when you murder, I think? 13:23 yes 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh4] nyxilia (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 24812 points, T:1667, killed by a purple worm 13:23 <{Demo}2> murder isnt cool 13:23 purple worm on DL4. neato. >_< 13:24 wait, no. you don't lose protection for oridinary murder 13:24 <{Demo}2> does nh4 change how shriekers work? 13:24 <@luxidream> you lose protection for murdering a coaligned priest 13:24 it's esp you lose 13:25 right because that pisses off god 13:25 <@Umby> intrinsic telepathy rather 13:25 <@Umby> Also, I just remembered 13:25 <@Umby> Total of three artifacts during this knight run 13:25 <@Umby> Sting from one bones, Magicbane/Cleaver from another 13:25 <@Umby> (I haven't raided that set of bones yet) 13:26 <@luxidream> excalibur 13:26 <@luxidream> mmom 13:26 alright I'll just set up a stash on Soko 1, per convention and dump gold there 13:26 thx 13:26 <@Umby> I mean from bones specifically but I dropped that 13:26 <@Umby> During the transmission from brain to fingers 13:26 <@Umby> 3 from bones, 5 total 13:27 <@Umby> I DO need to figure out what was in the bag of that elven wizard though 13:27 <@Umby> Never checked 13:27 was it too heavy to pick up? 13:27 <@Umby> Never checked 13:27 <@Umby> :B 13:27 k 13:27 <@IceBox> it could've even been a boh! 13:27 indeed 13:27 <@Umby> I just went "aight imma take Magicbane and deals with this later" 13:27 <@Umby> bitch 13:27 <@Umby> I have 13:27 <@Umby> 4-5 by now 13:28 <@IceBox> 4-5 bags of holding? 13:28 <@IceBox> start nesting 'em 13:28 <@IceBox> pro tip ^ 13:28 <@Umby> I don't need more hoarding incentives 13:28 <@Umby> :B 13:28 bahaha 13:28 IceBox, NO 13:28 <@Umby> also I like not losing most of my stuff potentially 13:28 <@Umby> Though at this rate I might have to consider it 13:28 <@luxidream> lol 13:28 Ok hte e or not 13:28 <@IceBox> think of the weight savings Antivirus! 13:28 <@Umby> i need way more sacks though 13:28 I am so tempted to wish for a stethoscope 13:28 <@IceBox> think of how much you can cary! 13:28 I hate polypoling 13:29 <@Umby> oh yeah 13:29 Where's Dr. Brown right now to explain how you might destroy the whole universe 13:29 <@IceBox> i'll take "how are these two sentences related" for 500 alex 13:29 <@Umby> I have one of those from quest 13:29 <@IceBox> (for bubbles) 13:29 <@luxidream> What is "stethoscopes are nonmagical and easily polypiled for"? 13:29 <@Umby> He doesn't have one and doesn't wanna polypile for one 13:29 <@IceBox> luxidream has the board! 13:30 <@luxidream> conduct runs for $2000 13:30 meh 13:30 What else to wish for even? 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 817 points, T:1629, killed by a rothe 13:30 Can't get an arti 13:30 <@Umby> Anyway, bbl agaib 13:30 <@Umby> again even 13:31 <@Umby> Complete your kit 13:31 <@Umby> Like I'm trying to 13:31 umby: blessed magic harp 13:31 er. bubbles, i mean 13:31 <@Umby> I honestly wanted Gray this run 13:31 <@Umby> but too many artifacts before I got my other wishes 13:31 I have one hothraxxa 13:31 I guess a +2 t-shirt is always solid 13:32 <@Umby> in any event time to take notes for permit test 13:32 yeah if you don't have it yet 13:32 <@Umby> ping if needed 13:33 I love lichonlich action 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 28 points, T:146, killed by a cave spider 13:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Orc Fem Cha), 38 points, T:200, killed by a kobold 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 4 points, T:26, killed by a fox 13:38 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 141 points, T:361, killed by a monster (zaptrooper) 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:34630 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a ki-rin", on T:34631 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of identify", on T:34638 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:34707 13:48 ERR: broken 13:48 !tell Chris_ANG If I use Crystal Memories to summon Acerecakakak he will do the quest spam at me 13:48 Will do, bubbles_nh! 13:48 hothraxxa: i still need a harp... probably going to use a wish 13:48 ty for the reminder though, even though you weren't talking to me lol 13:50 i thought i had one at the beginning of the game, but i guess it was only 50 because copper? it will say magic when formally id'd right? 13:52 do you guys know the key to adjust spell order? 13:52 Going from wood to copper should only inflate the price by 125% (at least in xnh and I doubt this changed in evil) 13:52 I've brought up that menu before, but don't know how 13:52 AntiVirus: + 13:52 ty ty! 13:53 checked in eh for good measure, wood->copper is still only 1.25x 13:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ana Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6700 13:55 yeah... it just says uncursed copper harp, so i assume that means no magic 13:55 And fuck you too 13:55 Sorry language 13:56 & a major demon (tame Great Cthulhu, a gigantic humanoid) [seen: telepathy] 13:56 <3 13:56 bubbles_nh tame Cthulhu - beyond madness 13:56 well done 13:57 Oh fuck the real oen is angry 13:57 Omg I will make them fight each other! 13:58 He killed my arch-lich :-` 13:58 bugger 13:58 Ah well 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 648 points, T:1254, killed by a rothe 14:03 Great Cthulhu is eating noisily. Looks like it will take 8 turns to finish. 14:03 What the actual cuss??? 14:03 Lazy bugger 14:03 scrollback... antivirus: sometimes after i clear the valley i go back and kill the minetown priest and donate to the moloch temple priest (protection, clarivoyance) 14:03 hahaha 14:03 you steal all your cash back, you rogue 14:03 hell ya 14:04 |m|, 14:04 rock on 14:04 I would too 14:04 I actually got a marker from Soko 14:04 usually i'll already have 9pts by then and it's hard to get too much more without draining yourself, but clarivoyance is underrated imo 14:04 oh nice! (on the marker) 14:05 yeah, so far I only used it for charging and magic missile 14:05 having gone too long without finding that spell...I needed an upgrade 14:05 Yeh clair is good getting frmo moloch 14:05 if things go right i'll be getting the marker from high priest in a bit 14:05 so you have it in gehenmon 14:05 cool, good luck 14:05 no BoH yet, but somehow I'm getting by without it 14:06 that's how this game was 14:06 just hold out 14:06 you'll find one. eventually player monsters will have them 14:06 oh I ran into my first player moster last night in Soko 14:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ana Hum Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7724 14:06 mofo tried to pull a wand of death on me 14:06 there are probably 50 Boh's in my dungeon now lol. But i didn't have one until like 30k turns or something 14:07 from his oilskin bag 14:07 WOO got all three spellbooks this game 14:07 AntiVirus: is |m| supposed to be the hand gesture 14:07 I tried 14:07 if the m was lower lol 14:07 watch out for when they pull polymorph or cancel out of those bags 14:07 you also have six fingers apparently 14:07 mr will protect you against polymorph i believe, but if you're standing on your stash.... 14:07 all the cool people do. You're parents didn't pay extra for crisper? 14:08 haha 14:08 *your 14:08 ;) 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:51444 14:15 oh right, I remember that. You were so mad about having your stash polymorphed 14:15 you cover your stash with a cloak of magic resistance 14:16 if only 14:16 i once dropped my boh to get unburdened to fight croesus 14:16 fucker zapped me with polymorph 14:17 ouch 14:17 what did it all turn into? 14:17 so there i was, standing on an empty bag of holding trying to fiure out what happened 14:17 oooh....weird, it poly'd into another BoH 14:17 yeah 14:17 empty 14:18 awful 14:18 * hothraxxa shrugs 14:18 i still ascended 14:18 right on 14:18 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:18 yeah not giving up (mentally) is important 14:18 i lost my entire stash like hundreds of potions and scrolls, wands, all my spellbooks... i was ready to kill the wizard and was standing on my locked box and player zapped poly 14:19 (not just now... but in one of my first games) 14:19 but yeah, never give up 14:19 i try my best to never hang out near my stash now 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:32235 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "fixed greased magic marker named i eat crayons", on T:32235 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1938 14:21 <@IceBox> a wished-for boh can have stuff in it? 14:21 crayons are healthy, but just make sure you don't start eating the glue 14:21 <@IceBox> hastily cancels next wish 14:21 @IceBox yes 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 16 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43825 14:22 brown crayons taste like chocolate 14:23 its like fudge you can draw with 14:23 mm so many flavors 14:24 is a striped shirt just a striped shirt ? 14:24 its the convict shirt 14:24 ceci n'est pas un striped shirt 14:24 haha that's great 14:25 can you read a striped shirt? 14:25 (i did just kill a convict) 14:25 ah cool 14:25 "This is a silly thing to read" 14:26 Now prisoner 24601 14:26 "The vertical stripes make you look slightly skinnier." 14:27 K2: you should implement random prisoner numbers in read.c like what happens with credit cards <-- YANI 14:27 dammit t24750 and i hit something with my pickaxe 14:27 sounds like every single game of mine 14:28 first world monk problemz 14:28 i was busy eating a stone giant and feelng guilty about it 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 60087 points, T:10722, killed by a mind flayer 14:28 heh that'd be neat 14:28 honestly, we've all had days like that. who hasn't had a bad day and eaten the entire monster 14:29 worse, i didn't get any strength gain 14:29 and the dog ate the other stone giant 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4768 14:31 <@IceBox> nethack you little bitch, tryin to bust all my armor 14:31 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/636270419724337192/unknown.png 14:31 <@IceBox> not today satan! 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:51750 14:32 hah. you can wear armour? boy you're lucky 14:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44289 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44290 14:32 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 14:33 demogorgons next i guess 14:34 hothraxxa: you probably CAN wear armor and hit in tnnt eventually... 14:34 sometimes i do in vanilla 14:35 i must have seen a dozen mithril suits by now, and i'm just down to dlvl 16 14:35 however if i can't cast healing i'm dead 14:35 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 14:35 yeah.. i wouldn't wear mithril. but dsm later 14:35 can't take off this robe 14:35 i hear ya lol 14:36 MC2 taboot 14:36 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36 i might but my success with armour-wearing monks is dismal 14:36 i only do it when i'm like lvl 30 and totally maxed stats 14:36 right now i have no reflection or mr 14:36 and even then, you can't hit player monsters on astral with a c corpse sometimes 14:36 bah. i don't try that 14:36 but everything in dungeon and gehennom you can hit... maybe not disenchanters 14:37 player monsters will almost always have a better AC than a disenchanter 14:37 (in evilhack) 14:37 right. but in vanilla nothing has good ac 14:37 yeah.. evilhack, no armor for monks. don't even consider it (especially now) 14:37 evilhack player monsters are deadly 14:38 ded - lee 14:38 \o> 14:38 flex 14:38 the last few i've killed have had some seriously sick gear 14:39 how is it chromatic if it's invisible 14:39 asking the real questions here 14:39 well if you can't see it how do you know it isn't? 14:42 something something teapot in orbit between earth and mars 14:42 there's rodney.. how exciting. i love the the change to pink 14:49 :o 14:50 lamashtu ended both of my dnh runs 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9644 14:53 #Did I kill lamashu? 14:53 Ican' tell 15:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:20142 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10767 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3973 points, T:9407, poisoned by a killer bee 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6128 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3980 points, T:6402, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted horse 15:13 HOLY CRAP 15:13 the blessed eight-headed +8 Scourge of Lolth 15:13 8d20 silver damage... 15:19 <@malor> K2 my game of dNethack just perma-crashed and now if I log in it takes me to the "create new game" thing. Not sure if it can be restored or not. on the "malor" account. 15:19 ok 15:19 i'll have a look 15:19 <@malor> I was entering the first level of the Neutral quest which I had been to before. 15:20 <@malor> Initially it crashed me to the "play grunt/unnet/etc." page and so I clicked "d" and it gave me the "restore session" page. Which I did, then it said "successful" but then immediately crashed again and was gone 🙂 15:20 so no files to recover... 15:20 no emergency save 15:21 i can recover from last save which was about an hour ago 15:21 <@malor> I'll take that. 15:21 good, cuz thats your only option :) 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15296 15:21 <@malor> not sure why, but that made me LOL 🙂 15:22 ok try now 15:22 <@malor> looking good. Thanks! 15:22 o/ 15:22 lets see if we have a coredump 15:23 and we do 15:23 <@malor> thanks. 15:23 <@malor> cool. Hopefully it will give illumination as to replicating the issue. Especially since I am so predictable I'll probably hit the exact same keystrokes on the way back to it 🙂 15:23 Guys we kill asmo or not? 15:24 I say we do! 15:24 SMASH 15:24 <@malor> We do NOT. You are the brave one. 15:24 I have Aegids 15:24 And an 8-headed viperwhip lol 15:24 !tell Chris_ANG latest dnh 3.18.0 crash - https://termbin.com/7g0zd 15:24 I'm on it, K2. 15:24 Aegis = triple burnt gorgon 15:25 Which is a bit strong :thinking: 15:25 given you don't have to actually wear it 15:25 <@malor> still, avoiding him is pretty easy 🙂 15:27 <@malor> bubbles: were the "real stairs" near "Daemon"? 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:15523 15:28 \o> 15:28 <@malor> Bubbles is my hero. Spanking every demon/devil in your path. 15:28 Nah top right 15:28 I kill everything because I'm scared of them getting in my way later 15:28 I think lamashu is still around though 15:28 SOMEWHERE 15:28 <@malor> so Daemon was NOT guarding the "real stairs"? 15:29 And she is the worst. 15:29 Correct 15:29 I was Glaysa I think 15:29 <@malor> here is how they do NOT do that: Cursed Gain Level potions. Just step one step away and drink and they are forever gone. 15:29 !tell Chris_ANG Walk among Thresholds ignore noteleport? 15:29 I'm on it, bubbles_nh. 15:29 Easier to smash! 15:29 To be fair only because late game orc binder is quite funny. 15:30 <@malor> Yeah Orc Binder is very over powered. But so are Asmodeous and some of the others 🙂 15:30 All I need now is some ice so I can bind balam 15:31 Oh also hughin/eden in the pen 15:31 With miska bound 15:31 And the 8 headed scourge 15:31 <@malor> Actually "X" Binder once you have "Miska" you are pretty well set up. 15:31 Absolute insanity 15:31 My only wish was to get staff of 12 mirrors with miska as well 15:31 but alas 15:32 watching discussions about dnethack is fun 15:32 I think the scourge has +18 to hit or somethign as well 15:32 Which defo helps versus asmo 15:33 <@malor> yes, hitting him is the primary problem. Or so they say since I will likely never face him 🙂 15:33 <@malor> I just can't bring myself to do something just for "the thrill of it", it has to have a positive ROI for me. 15:33 <@malor> In life and in gaming. 15:34 True fact 15:34 My ROI is tons of loot 15:34 I really need to hit 30 15:34 Before I start the wiz/run 15:34 29 at the moment :x 15:35 <@malor> just hanging around on Asmodeous level should get you a level in 20 minutes or less. 15:35 Well killing him sspawns about 30 demons 15:36 <@malor> yipe. 15:36 And now I am going to try a big-brain strat 15:36 If I use otiax to make doors 15:36 Can I use enki to port to them 15:37 <@malor> I am pretty sure that dantillion's power bypasses "can't teleport" restrictions in most places. 15:39 <@Umby> I heard Dantillion 15:39 <@Umby> Tell 👀 15:40 Oops just spawned 50million angband orcs :x 15:41 <@Umby> The fuck did you do 15:41 and still no stethoscope..... 15:41 Zapped a wand of monster a few times 15:41 50million = 8 15:41 But thye are NASTY buggers 15:42 <@Umby> Oh 15:42 <@Umby> Elaborate 15:42 Ah they don't have morgul blades 15:43 In the chaos quest they spawn with these daggers that poison you permanently (until you spam enough potions of starlight/fullhealing, or pray on an altar) 15:43 And drain your stats 15:43 @d?angband orc 15:43 No such monster. 15:43 HMM 15:43 @d?Angband Orc 15:43 No such monster. 15:43 <@Umby> Try fetching a wikilink or something 15:43 I don't know the syntax:( 15:43 @d?Angband orc 15:43 No such monster. 15:43 Lies 15:44 <@Umby> I mean just find the page on the wiki yourself 15:44 Speed 18 and thena bunch of weapon attacks 15:44 and they are generated with nasty weapons 15:44 I am not sure there is one 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33278 15:48 <@Umby> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Angband_orc 15:48 <@Umby> These legitimately don't seem too dangerous 15:48 <@Umby> Though idk your character specs 15:50 They are fast and the weapons they have are reeealy nasty 15:50 Mainly 15:50 And they poison you 15:50 At this stage it's fine though 15:51 <@Umby> Page indicates as much 15:51 <@Umby> Evilhack, right? 15:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53 no 15:53 dnh! 15:54 <@Umby> Wait, page said dnet 15:54 <@Umby> I'm baked 15:54 Now I need to work out what my 6th seal should be 15:54 it should be pretty 15:54 and have flowers 15:54 Sorry K2 there is no K2 seal :( 15:54 maybe a rainbow 15:54 <@Umby> Does dnet do incremental resistances or something? 15:54 but... but... 15:54 <@Umby> I can never keep track 15:54 No but all intrinsics but poison res wear out (from food) I think 15:54 Not sure if there are exceptions 15:55 <@Umby> That's what I meant 15:55 <@Umby> You should have plenty of poison res by the time you spot them, just a matter of not getting turbo dinged by the weapons 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 53850 points, T:15079, killed by an exploding wand 15:56 <@Umby> Fat F 15:57 <@Umby> Speaking of turbodinging once you get your lance skill up there with sufficient luck jousting is just 15:57 ASKLDJAKLSDJ I broke the taboo 15:57 goddamit 15:57 <@Umby> a ridiculously fun crowd control tech 15:58 <@Umby> use weaker enemy to stopgap others near or in a hall and pound them at your leisure 16:00 <@Umby> "GRR! SMACK! GRR! SMACK! GRR! SMACK! JOUST!!!" 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:35632 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu), 22287 points, T:16732, killed by a soldier ant 16:09 <@Umby> Go team a 16:11 today's learning lesson: one should not toss an egg at a peaceful dog in sight of the Minetown watch with a sleeping nymph nearby 16:12 the last 20 minutes was a comedy of things going wrong one at a time. 16:13 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 16:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16 ichbinmiah: those are the best nethack moments! 16:17 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #hardfought 16:17 Is there any way to get within tossing distance of a peaceful unicron without speed? 16:17 be invisible 16:18 hope the unicorn falls into a pit 16:18 <@Umby> Or gets caught in a web 16:18 teleport works too 16:18 <@Umby> Alternately, catch one in Sokoban 16:19 Good ideas. Thank you. 16:20 debugging development porn: https://i.imgur.com/P6eR0ws.png 16:23 -!- AntiVirus92 has joined #hardfought 16:24 unnethack6 black market buff 16:24 :P 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 399 points, T:1197, killed by a small mimic 16:26 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:48904 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 405 points, T:2069, killed by a pony 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 347 points, T:1713, killed by a small mimic 16:31 bhaak: I see that and think "slex" 16:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Clk Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2189 16:32 the blackmarket was in unnethack first :-p 16:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Clk Mal Neu), 3336 points, T:2364, killed by a gnome king 16:34 Ok it's time! 16:38 bhaak: you know thats NSFW 16:38 i opened that at work 16:38 errmahgerd 16:38 so much fleecyness 16:40 what you don't see is that there's about 10 items on each spot :-) 16:40 imagine having to sort through all that crap :-) 16:40 OCD heaven 16:40 that's about 8000 items. normal is ~400 16:41 <@malor> bubbles_nh what are your final bindings? 16:41 that was just a side effect of a debugging test, btw. 16:41 is this on 3.6.x ? 16:41 <@malor> And did you reset them all close to the same time prior to your final run? 16:41 no, I don't think I would be able to get the blackmarket into vanilla 16:43 Malor yeah except buer because he's easy to rebind 16:43 what the golden room batman 16:43 And andromelasu 16:43 AntiVirus92: me? 16:43 oh, thats def a hive 16:43 AntiVirus92: yeah 16:43 nah in my game 16:43 Ahhh lol I just went past one 16:43 honey badger here 16:44 malor: buer/eurynome/enki/andro/andro/balam 16:44 OH GOD 16:44 I forgtot the candellabrum 16:44 somewhere 16:44 mygodd, so sorry bubbles 16:44 I have no idea where... 16:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Val Swn Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1651 16:45 ah cuss 16:46 <@malor> There is some sort of playback log on hardfought I think that is probably searchable. Assuming I am correct that exists, that would be the best method of finding it. K2 and other admins would know more. 16:49 K2 could you help out here? :-( 16:49 bhaak: good, I don't want the blackmarket in vanilla 16:50 aosdict: but what are you doing with all the gold from croesus? 16:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Val Swn Fem Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:2051 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] poligono2007 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 26 points, T:41, killed by a bolt of fire 16:51 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:52 -!- honkhon has joined #hardfought 16:52 hello 16:52 Hello honkhon, Welcome to #hardfought 16:53 so this is the chat for the secure shell network? 16:54 I FOUND IT 16:54 what? 16:55 hardfought is a game server that hosts mainly the game NetHack and derivatives 16:55 yes i know 16:55 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 16:55 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 16:55 i was just confirming if this was the right chat 16:56 Yeah, you're in the right place. 16:56 By some measure of right... :thinking: 16:56 do you guys have any books to recommend at the same levels of fantasy as Nethack 16:57 Izchak doesn't have any candles... 16:57 wish time 16:57 (y) 16:57 ugh 16:57 what do you mean? a setting of wildly inconsistent themes mixed together? 16:57 ame 16:57 tame 16:57 yes 16:57 hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy meets that bhaak 16:58 but isn't fantasy 16:58 sci fi nut friends of mine would disagree 16:58 discworld got pretty lax on the fantasy setting in the later books 16:58 i know discworld 16:58 its my favorite series 16:58 malor where can I get some candles from? 16:59 R.I.P Terry Pratchett 16:59 hard sf nuts are nuts about anything not being hard sf. soft sf is still sf :-) 16:59 is Soul Music a good book? 17:00 i wanna get the most fantasy book in discworld 17:01 <@malor> bubbles: There are 4 to 7 candles in the "Temple of Moloch" in the treasure area on top of the chests. 99% of the time it is 7 candles. 17:01 I think I only saw the animated movie of that but I don't remember anything but an ugly pun on rolling stones and that I saw it 17:02 Gotcha 17:02 Thanks <3 17:02 There are 2 17:02 unless a mob picked some up 17:02 -!- honkhon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 <@malor> not generally possible as it is double secret door protected. But you may as well check all piles in the temple. 17:03 I have been here before 17:03 And looted it butleft the candles 17:03 <@malor> then small chance someone took them. Just clear the temple again to see. 17:04 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 <@malor> All my ascensions I have gotten 7 candles here every time but one. So I know they are there most of the time. 17:04 Nope 17:04 I got 2 from there, 2 from scrounging round 17:04 I need another 3 I guess 17:04 I tried a blessed lamp but just got a tame djininin 17:05 <@Umby> reminder that sci fi and fantasy are very close cousins and fantasy itself is a hilariously vague qualifier to begin witb 17:05 <@Umby> carry on 17:05 <@malor> well, all of that is way easier to deal with than losing the Candelabra, so you are still ahead of the game. 17:05 Checking lost tomb 17:05 <@malor> I would walk the gnomish mines. Finding 3 there is pretty likely. 17:05 Yeah will do 17:06 <@Umby> dnet's mines are usually good for candles 17:06 <@Umby> Or rather they should still be 17:07 <@malor> they aren't as likely in dnet as in vanilla. But getting 3 out of all 10ish floors is still a pretty reasonable proposition. 17:08 <@Umby> Ye 17:08 OMG 17:08 OMG 17:08 The grue level 17:08 <@malor> bubbles: Checking your bindings - where are you getting your immunities? I don't see cold/fire/shock on there. Do you have items that give those? 17:08 blessed be 17:08 <@malor> oh right, that has 7 candles easy! 17:08 Corwned 17:08 And chromatic scales 17:09 <@malor> crowning doesn't give immunity for binders. Chromatic scales does though. 17:09 ugh 17:09 Ah well, cool 17:09 I've had chromatic/plat/plat/chromatic in my last four games 17:09 <@malor> crowning doesn't do anything for binders other than giving "Council of the Elements" 17:09 I really can' complain 17:09 Ah ok 17:09 Still increases prayer timeout? 17:10 And a cool name! 17:10 <@malor> yeah, chromatic or plat are great drops to get! I've gotten chromatic once and plat zero. But you don't need them, they are luxury items 🙂 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:34272 17:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Val Swn Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4828 17:11 Bless grue <3 17:12 bless his little dark heart 17:13 malor what would you bless geno at this point? 17:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14 I'm also a bit miffed Id idn't get credit for lamashtu 17:15 Maybe P? Sliming is the only thing that is lethal at this point right? 17:16 <@malor> at your point in the game only "L" are bothersome (and also genocidable). I also save a scroll to genocide ";" when you hit the water plane. I'm pretty sure that's not necessary in the slightest, but it makes me feel good to see all the ; just auto-die. 17:16 <@Umby> Just fix it by setting yourself on fire 17:16 <@Umby> 4Head 17:16 Oh, hi there. 17:16 mm tasty and true malor 17:17 Free action protects against drowning right? 17:17 <@malor> my genocide list: L - shoggoth - mind flayer - master mind flayer - black dragon - nightgaunt - gug I will also genocide "c" if I know I am not going to be able to get petrification resistance. I don't ever genocide "h" because "h" is a VERY common monster symbol and by genociding "h" that means they are replaced by WAY tougher mobs. So you do the flayers individually. 17:18 <@malor> I don't really know what protects from drowning 🙂 I generally have free action so maybe that's why I don't drown 🙂 17:18 <@Umby> This list of yours is for dnet right? 17:18 <@malor> foo-trice are pretty easy in dNethack, but you never know when you get a suprise summon nasties and forget to target the "c" right away. 17:18 <@malor> yes, Umby that's a dnet list. 17:19 <@Umby> how bad are black dragons compared to vanilla? 17:19 <@Umby> in dnet 17:19 <@malor> Dragon breath isn't stopped by reflection. Although BLACK is "sometimes". Other times it will destroy your reflective device and thereby save your life once. 17:20 [hdf-us] [un] Artorias (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1056 points, T:3193, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:3095 17:20 <@malor> Black dragons aren't that big of a deal if you play safely, but again, "sometimes a summon nasties might summon a black dragon that is 2 squares away and you die for no reason". 17:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Val Swn Fem Neu), 9476 points, T:6285, killed by a flaming sphere 17:21 <@malor> basically eliminating my list will eliminate all the creatures that can kill you sometimes. Or mess up your game enough that you may die later. 17:21 And I just messed up the invocation ceremony 17:21 <@Umby> does dnet do disintegration resistance differently? 17:21 but not to worry 17:21 <@luxidream> you can reflect dragonbreath with a scale shield or DSM 17:21 <@Umby> o 17:21 Black reduces enchantment by 1 I think 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3223 17:22 And will only destroy when it gets to 0 or something 17:22 So it doesn't instagib your items/you 17:22 <@Umby> Oh 17:22 <@Umby> Nice 17:22 Chromatic scales give disintegration res 17:22 <@Umby> with the intrinsic from black dragon corpses being temporary 17:23 <@Umby> as usual for dnet? 17:23 Yeah 17:23 And tins only give 50 urns 17:23 turns 17:23 <@Umby> right 17:23 <@Umby> Wee 17:23 Corpses give 1500-5000 depending on the corpse I think 17:23 I'm not too sure how much blood vials give 17:23 When you tin something you also get blood 17:24 <@Umby> So more "disenchantment breath" then outright "fuck you if you don't have reflection" 17:25 <@malor> All I know is that my shield was destroyed one time, so after that I took no further chances and added them to the "kill list" 🙂 17:25 <@Umby> psh 17:25 <@Umby> ya big baby :B 17:25 <@Umby> Ludios has like a fucktillion shields 17:26 <@Umby> Unless dnet messed with that too? 17:28 <@malor> it probably does. Definitely at least one since Cresus (sp?) has one. 17:29 <@Umby> i mean with all the soldiers exoected to be present in most variants 17:29 <@Umby> "at least one" isn't technically wrong 17:29 <@malor> Bubbles how is the timeout on your bindings looking? You only need 2,500 to be totally safe from this point, but make sure you have that much remaining. You can get by on a little less actually, but I am super-safe 🙂 17:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:34 That is bullshit 17:35 I had h&m in the pen 17:35 and it broke the taboo?????? 17:35 And drained me two levels with numina 17:35 Chris!!! 17:37 malor lots of screams = dread seraph = cursed pot of level ASPAP? 17:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:40 " y - Ose (active)" also what is this about :thinkink: ? 17:43 gogo 17:44 <@malor> I don't understand your statement bubbles? 🙂 17:45 Can you cursed potion the planes? 17:46 <@malor> No 17:46 malor I found my first awake dread seraph 17:46 and it was terrifying 17:46 so I used a cursed !ofLevel 17:46 <@malor> Oh yeah they are tough but cursed gain level solves it 17:53 Ugh 17:53 This is super buggy 17:53 Ose was still "bound" to me 17:53 So when I went swimming it level drained me AGAIN 17:53 Even though he wasn't bound to me :-\ 17:54 Ok astral time 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2089 17:59 Oona (twice) :thinkin:::: 18:01 <@malor> Nice! Congratulations bubbles! 18:01 thanks babe 18:01 ^_^ 18:01 And all for the advice/help/encouragement! 18:02 <@Umby> Gj lad! 18:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2949 18:07 <@malor> does drinking blood break vegetarian? 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4007 18:12 Fairly certain it does. 18:15 woo congrats bubbles_nh 18:15 \o/ 18:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:20302 18:17 thanks k2 ! 18:18 grats bubbles! 18:19 time to celebrate 18:19 !booze bubbles_nh 18:19 * Beholder throws bubbles_nh a fifth of moonshine, distilled by the /dev/null/oracle at 137 degrees Fahrenheit. 18:19 oh daaaaamn a fifth 18:20 you can either drink that, or use it to peel the paint off your house 18:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4990 18:30 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9128 points, T:6023, killed by a soldier ant 18:31 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:7808 18:35 EvilHack updated (all servers) 18:36 Congrats bubbles_nh 18:37 ^^ both updates are latest devteam bits, bugfixes 18:37 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 18:38 <@Umby> late but go team a 18:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 31601 points, T:7938, killed by a leocrotta 18:44 -!- AntiVirus92 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Pri Bat Mal Neu), 603 points, T:552, killed by a dwarf 18:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Sam Clk Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:18711 18:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Brd Hlf Mal Neu), 114 points, T:714, killed by a boulder 18:51 Thanks Anti 18:51 What is a fith? 18:51 fifth? 18:52 malor running out of miska was a bit scary, but I have a pretty easy plane of fire honestly 18:52 the ability not to self-incriminate in sworn testimony in america 18:52 No Weeping angels 18:52 Heh 18:53 What role next that is the question? 18:53 I hate android because I hate the quest. 18:54 <@malor> The quest is really hard but if you just do it last it is pretty quick unless you happen to spawn 164 Master Liches. Which in my experience only happens one third of the time 🙂 18:54 <@malor> Man I would be hard-panicking if Miska expired on me! 18:57 Meh, I just punched things 18:57 Premium heart is my baby 19:00 bubbles_nh - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_(unit) 19:01 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 19:01 christ K2 how many HPs did you give dragons? 19:01 I emptied a wand of Magic Missiles, and cold into this things guts, and it's not flinching 19:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bin Clk Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1911 19:02 Chaotic is safe to be murderhobo right? 19:03 Ah right K2 that's a resepectable amount! 19:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03 i dont think we added a 'handle' to what the bot can choose 19:03 <@malor> It will drain your alignment I think anyway. But that is pretty easy to regain by sacrifice over the course of the game 19:04 so a 'fifth' is 750mL, a 'handle' is 1.75L or half a gallon 19:04 called a 'handle' because those bottles usually have a handle built into them 19:04 so this game has bones on level 48 19:05 heh 19:05 ouch 19:05 oh6 whose bones? 19:06 Hah he's mocking me, he has about 30 candles this game \o/ 19:06 <@rikersan> bubble: no it is not probably 19:06 <@rikersan> it'll still nuke your luck 19:07 <@rikersan> won't piss off the hod or lose telepathy though 19:07 757 ml making it a fifth of 8 US pints? 19:08 jonathanhanes 19:08 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:08 a fifth is 1 pint 6.4 oz 19:08 had to look that up 19:08 a fif 19:08 FIF 19:08 a plead the FIF 19:09 A fifth of _7_ US pints making it 662ml 19:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Sam Clk Fem Law) was given Dragonlance, on T:29014 19:10 no its 750mL 19:11 US an EU standards of fluid measurement dont mesh at all 19:11 1 UK pint 6.4 UK floz is _very_ nearly 750ml - 750.1 . 19:11 But 1 US pint 6.4 US floz is nowhere near that. 19:11 we should all be using metric system but no , we have to be different 19:11 Actually what really gets me is when you use Imperial units you have to be different from the Empire :-) 19:12 Pinkbeast sorry 1 pint 6.4 oz imperial units 19:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Sam Clk Fem Law), 61995 points, T:29351, burned by molten lava 19:12 <@rikersan> stun + lava is no bueno 19:12 25.4 US fl oz 19:12 OMG 19:12 its just a fif 19:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bin Clk Fem Non), 5420 points, T:3196, killed by a gnomish wizard 19:13 DRINK IT 19:13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_(unit) says it used to be 757ml, 1/5 of 8 US pints, which makes sense, and now it's 750 because that's a round number in metric and wine bottles 19:13 where's my guiness 19:13 Spirits here went metric even when pints remained pints, likewise 19:13 :) 19:14 * Pinkbeast slurps and looks innocent 19:14 looks like it was this one: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/nethack/dumplog/1571204948.nh.txt 19:14 <@malor> Every potion is somehow exactly the same size. Maybe there should be some potions that are bigger and smaller. You find a “fifth of full healing” 19:14 pretty unfortunate - accidentally polymorphed themselves into a green slime and dropped all of their stuff 19:15 or unequipped, rather 19:15 1 5th = 1/5th of a gallon 19:15 thus, a fifth 19:15 fin 19:15 <@Umby> dead to sliming 19:15 <@Umby> fat ass RIP 19:15 uuuhh oh 19:15 Juiblex? 19:15 <@Umby> I remember running into a green slime in mines 19:16 or green slime 19:16 <@Umby> Oh no not me 19:16 <@Umby> commenting on this bones 19:16 ah 19:16 yeah that's a mistake to make once 19:16 no wait, looks like it was on purpose - maybe they were trying to slime the wizard? 19:16 <@Umby> but as I was saying I ran into one that I'm p. sure was a chameleon and got my pet 19:17 oh6 hah wow 19:17 <@Umby> oh yeah, was definitely on purpose 19:17 <@Umby> but the Wizard big-brained him 19:17 <@Umby> classic touch-of-death kill 19:17 your honor I plead the FIF 19:19 dropped his boh beforehand! 19:19 \o/ 19:19 <@Umby> "Hah! Now you can't touch me at risk of losing your powers!" 19:19 <@Umby> "...or I could just..." 19:20 <@Umby> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsS_VMzY10I 19:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ran Hlf Mal Neu), 1672 points, T:3302, killed by a rothe 19:25 <@malor> Oddly Wizard Incantifiers are the weakest of the Incantifiers since all Incantifiers are better wizards than wizards already 🙂 19:25 Pinkbeast: 1 uk pint is not near 750! 19:25 It's 567/568 19:25 HMM 19:25 good point malor 19:26 Clearly binder incantifier is best 19:26 <@Umby> wait, Incantifiers are their own race 19:26 <@Umby> wut 19:26 <@rikersan> yes 19:26 <@rikersan> why is that odd? 19:27 <@malor> Because wizards are normally the best casters. 19:27 <@rikersan> not you umby :p 19:27 bubbles_nh: Yes. However, 1 (UK) pint 6.4 floz is almost exactly 750ml and that's what I said 19:28 (although I suspect this is not a remarkable coincidence and just that K2 converted 750ml into UK Imperial units) 19:28 heh 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:17370 19:30 I'm confused 19:30 :( 19:30 Also why is this shopkeeper not letting me out? 19:30 <@rikersan> invis? 19:30 <@rikersan> or just wonky ai 19:30 He's stuck 19:30 <@rikersan> try walking away then coming back 19:30 I put on a cloak of invis 19:30 and then tok it off 19:31 <@rikersan> that should be fine 19:31 Oh, clearly I ddn't take it off 19:31 <@rikersan> that would not be fine 19:31 I had a celebratory drink ok! 19:31 I beat the orcbinder curse 19:32 As in my curse, not everyone's 19:35 oops 19:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1428 points, T:1667, quit 19:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Clk Fem Law), 2590 points, T:3368, killed by a potion of acid 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:1893 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:1902 19:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Hlf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1581 19:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Hlf Fem Cha), 6422 points, T:2782, killed by a marid 19:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 filth-crusted lifehunt scythe", on T:2004 19:57 <@rikersan> stupid wishes are the most fun ones 19:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 135 points, T:229, killed by a jackal 19:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 20:01 <@Umby> the "filth-encrusted" bit always makes me :GWmythicalThonkCool: 20:02 <@rikersan> it's basically just poison 20:02 <@Umby> no, I get THAT much 20:02 !tell Chris_ANG A temple to lolth should probably be dark by default 20:02 I'm on it, bubbles_nh. 20:02 <@Umby> just a puzzling choice of descriptor for such 20:03 Poor dragonspeaker :( 20:03 <@rikersan> they are bubbles? 20:03 This one wasn't 20:03 It had the NASTY LIGHT in it 20:03 <@rikersan> is there a drow tending it? 20:03 <@rikersan> ? 20:03 Yeah 20:03 <@rikersan> !whereis bubbles 20:03 @rikersan: [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh]: (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) T:4684 The Dungeons of Doom level: 9 20:03 (peaceful drow matron of Lolth 20:03 <@rikersan> you sure it wasn't a sphere or smth 20:03 Defo 20:03 <@rikersan> or a dwarvish helm that was on 20:03 I have pushed back the light 20:04 It was at the edges of the room 20:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Swn Fem Cha) was given Whisperfeet, on T:4847 20:04 <@rikersan> lmao I have two sources of invokable invis now 20:04 <@rikersan> bubbles: ah that's a bug for a different reason I think 20:04 <@rikersan> room gen and light is wack 20:07 Swn? 20:07 What's that? 20:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Swn Fem Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:6390 20:09 <@rikersan> bubbles: yuki-onna 20:09 <@rikersan> don't remember why it's "swn" as the abbreviation 20:09 <@rikersan> but I mean troubadours are Brd so hey 20:10 <@Umby> Snow-woman? 20:10 <@Umby> :GWbowsuBlobThinkOwO: 20:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6755 20:12 The annoying thing about playing anythign that isn't a binder is every item I get I think of in terms of ritual 20:12 "A silver ring, better save this for berith" 20:14 <@rikersan> ah yeah that would be it 20:17 All s should be peaceful to drow 20:17 There I said it. 20:22 <@rikersan> there's actually quite good lore reasons why they aren't 20:22 <@rikersan> but fair enough 20:24 <@rikersan> high five bubbles! 20:24 Err 20:24 thanks 20:24 I guess 20:24 <@rikersan> bad weps that are well balanced for days! 20:24 <@rikersan> (I have that one too, just wished it) 20:24 2d6 x2 isn't awful I guess 20:24 <@rikersan> well it kinda sucks late game 20:25 Sure 20:25 <@rikersan> study is literally just +damage to stuff that hits you 20:25 Yeah 20:25 <@rikersan> and it's also hella godawful vs swarms :) 20:25 Though only 1/4 20:25 <@rikersan> but it's fun! 20:25 Sure 20:25 But probs better than my silver kakakaka 20:25 <@rikersan> fair enough 20:28 is it worth a slot though? 20:28 <@rikersan> slot of what? 20:28 #enhance 20:28 <@rikersan> how high can you get? basic only? 20:28 yeah 20:28 <@rikersan> i mean basic yeah for sure 20:28 So only 1slot 20:28 Okey dokes 20:28 <@rikersan> yeah lol I'd do that 20:29 <@rikersan> fun fact: both that and your quest artifact deal extra damage to plants 20:29 yea:-\ 20:29 I get some benefit from artifacts as a priest? 20:29 I get +4 to hit instead of +d4? 20:29 <@rikersan> I think so 20:29 <@rikersan> but you also get 1dLevel to damage :) 20:29 <@rikersan> (extra, on top of whatever artis normally give) 20:30 Ah so it's defo better than the kaka 20:30 Maybe even grimtooth would have been 20:30 <@rikersan> no grimtooth is iron 20:30 maybe_write_ls: no id! [range=0] 20:31 Program in disorder - you should probably S)ave and reload the game. 20:31 etc 20:31 relink_light_sources: cant find m_id 538976288 20:31 !tell Chris_ANG relink_light_sources: cant find m_id 538976288 blah blah 20:31 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bubbles_nh. 20:31 Probably already knows 20:31 Do iron weapons count? I thought it was only armor/rings? 20:31 <@rikersan> nope iron weps without gloves 20:32 <@rikersan> I know it doesn't quite make sense (like is the handle really cold iron too? not even a leather grip? cheapo swords these days) but whatever 20:33 As a drow can I eat anelf? 20:34 if I were going to guess at any variant to implement needlessly complicated two-materials-per-object, it would be dnethack, though 20:34 Got gloves anyway but thanks, good to know 20:34 <@rikersan> nope 20:34 <@rikersan> aosdict: yeah that's fair enough :p 20:38 ugh 20:39 fucking quinons 20:39 Sorry language bad today 20:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a trapper, on T:7767 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 3493 points, T:3461, killed by a watchman 21:17 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 21:18 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:20 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 21:25 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:31 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1622 21:43 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45 [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 928 points, T:1602, killed by a tiger 21:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Swn Fem Cha) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:11574 21:48 Why are there so many slex roles?;_; 21:48 <{Demo}2> to make u sad 21:49 so many of them are bad too 21:50 like...stand user 21:51 <@rikersan> honestly that has so much potential lmao luxi 21:51 without those roles, it wouldn't be a game amy wants to play, so they must be added 21:52 Which is fair enough in my book 21:52 The fact that there is a role called Anachronounbinder 21:52 3 21:52 <3 21:52 <@rikersan> that's stolen from demo 21:52 yeah 21:53 <@rikersan> he invented acu 21:53 <@rikersan> if you like dnh but want something stupider go try acu in ndnh 21:53 I thought it was illithianachronounbinder 21:53 <@rikersan> it is 21:53 <@rikersan> but amy probably axed all the illithi thingy but that's kinda what she does with dnh's roles :p 21:53 <@rikersan> noble might be the only one that got merged semi-intact, wouldn't be surprised if that was the case 21:54 heh 21:54 illithi isn't in dnh is it? 21:54 also k2 you are the king of the server[s] yes? 21:54 <@rikersan> no, illithanachronounbinder is native to ndnh 21:54 <@John Keel> sad bones file from amelie 21:54 <@rikersan> demo's variant 21:54 no i'm not. there are other nethack servers 21:54 <@rikersan> https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack 21:54 being the king of the servers doesn't mean he has to play Noble 21:54 I don't trust demo 21:54 <@John Keel> died to magicbane-engraving three elbereths 21:54 NAO would be king of the proverbial hill 21:54 I.e. don't trust his variants 21:55 <@John Keel> which prevented them from doing anything since tnnt is 3.6.3 21:55 <@rikersan> no he's actually really chill 21:55 <@rikersan> ndnh is pretty funny esp lokoban (demo hates soko) 21:55 K2 more "seriously" is there a donate link for ardfought? 21:55 I HATE SOKOBAN 21:55 It is the worst part of any nethack 21:55 <@rikersan> but it does say smth that the last commit msg is "Try #3 bad bad bad bad bad." 21:55 bubbles_nh no there isnt 21:55 and I appreciate it but please keep your money 21:56 K2 doesn't want to be beholden to moneyed interests 21:56 stay away from Big Variant! 21:56 heh 21:57 rikersan that sounds like my type of progamming 21:57 Let me activate the work vpn to see 21:57 <@rikersan> well demo has some pretty neat ideas 21:58 <@rikersan> he had a cool caveman rework that's a classically overcomplicated (not)dnethack mechanic, as I believe aosdict puts it 21:58 "stuff" 21:58 "working" 21:58 "icons" 21:58 even a broken clock is right twice a day :) 21:58 <@rikersan> :) 21:58 Are the three most recent commit messages I made at work 21:58 serious question - {Demo}2 !! when is next update ndnh? 21:59 <@rikersan> it's when chris leaves 21:59 Heh, I found a commit: "oopsoiues" 21:59 <{Demo}2> OK so 21:59 <{Demo}2> soonish 21:59 I suspect I was inebrieated 21:59 :P 21:59 <@rikersan> he's gonna try to rebase onto 3.18.0 or 3.19.0 I think he said 21:59 <{Demo}2> like, I'm getting turbod on lately 21:59 oh cool 21:59 chris should rebase dnh onto 3.6.x 21:59 or fiqhack 21:59 <{Demo}2> so probably either I say fuck it this is a release and change the stuff in master to the next branch 22:00 <{Demo}2> or I wait until dec 22:00 turbod on lately? 22:00 What does this mean demo? 22:00 <{Demo}2> and add a cool racial symbiote quest before that and balance some things better 22:00 <@rikersan> honestly I can't tell if demo is perpetually drunk or this is just him sober 22:00 its him sober 22:01 his normal state of being is this way 22:01 <{Demo}2> I've been pretty owned lately 22:01 <{Demo}2> yes I am sober this evening, although in the last few weeks that has been rare 22:01 I remember a sci-fi setting where the atmosphere contained enough alcohol to make everyone perpetually inebriated... 22:01 you're gonna have to explain amercian slang 22:01 some of it even i'm kinda guessing at 22:02 <{Demo}2> I make up my own slang 22:02 well 22:02 <{Demo}2> and just hope people roll with it 22:02 there ya go 22:02 <@rikersan> well this run is dying 22:02 bubbles_nh we have no fucking clue what demo is saying 22:02 <@rikersan> blessed fig of priest of ghaun came out hostile 22:02 <{Demo}2> I have been busy and breaking down lately 22:02 <@rikersan> @d?priest of ghaunadaur 22:02 priest of Ghaunadaur (b) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 15 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d12 touch acid, 1d12 touch sticky, 2d12 hug suck-equipment, 0d8 cast clerical, 2d12 passive acid | Alignment: -5 | Flags: omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegan 22:02 <{Demo}2> that's what it means to be turbod on 22:02 haha 22:03 <@rikersan> nevermind he has low hp 22:03 so i have a few drinks most nights, but i dont get drunk 22:03 why you getting drunk every night? 22:03 <{Demo}2> not that many drinks most nights to be honest 22:04 black tar heroin? 22:04 <{Demo}2> ha if only 22:04 <{Demo}2> then I could rot my limbs off or whatever 22:04 that shit is so cheap 22:04 its sad 22:04 <{Demo}2> yeah but so is bottom shelf vodka lol 22:04 Vodka? 22:04 is ketel one considered bottom shelf now? 22:04 What is wrong with you? 22:04 Aren't you in cali? 22:04 You have access to amazing tequilas 22:05 Go get yourself a bottle of mayan extra anjeho 22:05 hahah 22:05 From whatever the cloest "total wine and spirits" 22:05 Good store 22:05 I think the mayan is about 90 USD for a bottle? 22:05 Should last you a week 22:05 Well, lasts me a week. 22:05 <{Demo}2> no I'm not in cali 22:05 <@rikersan> tha'ts me :) 22:05 Oh, who was in cali? :ponder: 22:05 Ahhh 22:05 he's in the backwoods 22:05 riker! 22:05 <@rikersan> I'm underage 22:06 distilling some moonshine 22:06 Everyone is underage in america :-\ 22:06 <@rikersan> and do you mean total wine & more 22:06 <{Demo}2> they have cops that are green here 22:06 i wish i were underage 22:06 Huh 22:06 <@rikersan> about 20 min away is the nearest one bubbles 22:06 I think I do riker 22:06 <@rikersan> bubbles: yeah but I'm extra underage 22:06 Let me check the one I go to in san jose 22:06 <@rikersan> I wouldn't be legal anywhere probably? 22:06 <{Demo}2> cause back when prohibition was a thing this area used to be popular for moonshining 22:06 <@rikersan> https://www.totalwine.com/store-info/california-san-jose-almaden-ranch/1120 22:06 <{Demo}2> so they'd have green outfits to blend in 22:06 <@rikersan> this boy? 22:07 I feel like it used to be called "total wines and spirits" 22:07 That name looks pretty familiar! 22:07 <{Demo}2> and they never changed it so they are still green police and it's cool 22:07 Yeah 22:07 Just off the 85 22:07 I go there every time I come over for work 22:07 <@rikersan> imagine living in a city and not having to call the county rangers whenever something happens 22:07 To stock up on tequila 22:07 <@rikersan> lmao 22:08 And then have to stuff bottles in all my coworkers baggage so I'm not over my customs limit 22:08 <@rikersan> I'm gonna be in northern ireland next summer probably, i'll smuggle some tequila for you 22:08 Please do 22:08 ireland was fun 22:08 I'll rent you a room at one bottle per month 22:08 <@rikersan> oh yeah how was it k2 22:08 (In London) 22:08 but i wanna go back and do not in dublin things 22:08 worldcon was fun 22:09 <@rikersan> $90 for a month's rent? holy fuck 22:09 <@rikersan> that's cheap :p 22:09 hanging out with my nethack peeps was more fun 22:09 What can I say riker, I'm cheap! 22:09 bubbles_nh where are you in the EU? 22:09 London! 22:09 sweet 22:09 Right in the middle, Belgravia/Victoria 22:09 you're super close to hdf-eu then 22:10 <@rikersan> if london is anything like LA for rent, then it's probably easily 2k per month (USD?) 22:10 Still 20ms ping *burble* 22:10 wut 22:10 <@rikersan> where is the hdf eu server based? 22:10 london 22:10 <@rikersan> he's drunk k2 treat him like demo :) 22:10 <@rikersan> ah nice 22:10 lol 22:12 The cock misses. 22:12 wtf? 22:12 <@rikersan> hm, actually I think I might be able to drink in ireland by the time I get there 22:12 How big is a rikersan? 22:12 *this* big 22:12 <@rikersan> you can drink at 18 in the UK right 22:12 <{Demo}2> u can drink wherever u want if u don't care about the laws 22:12 18+ and you're good to go in the uk 22:12 Amen {Demo}2 bro 22:12 <@rikersan> demo i like not having a record 22:12 Record makes you look cooler 22:12 <@rikersan> and more importantly not getting banned from the UK for something stupid 22:12 to the girls 22:13 lol banned from the uk 22:13 <@rikersan> i do not trust the current immigration laws in the US at least 22:13 Let me find more good tequilas 22:13 shit man 22:13 just coming back from canada I get shit 22:13 Ah yes, the riazul 22:13 i'll flash my military ID, does no good 22:13 absoluley bloody brillian 22:14 the UK has had its nationalist/isolationist streak recently too 22:15 <@rikersan> aosdict: yeah traveling to ireland will be quite interesting to see, esp considering I have family there (will be interesting to see what they say) 22:15 northern ireland or original recipe ireland? 22:15 <@rikersan> northern ireland 22:16 <{Demo}2> which ones the real one? (please don't car bomb me I'm catholic) 22:16 met a cop from northern ireland on the trail (also hiking the whole thing) 22:18 <{Demo}2> sounds like a someone who'd have a lot of funny shit to say and stories 22:18 <@rikersan> demo: last I checked the republic of ireland (south) generally wants a united ireland, but there's a reasonably large (?) population in northern ireland who want to remain part of the UK 22:18 <@rikersan> but I'm not sure how that's changed in light of brexit (I have a feeling there are british dudes who don't want to be part of the UK at this point :P) 22:19 <{Demo}2> I'm gonna go liberate wales or something 22:20 <@rikersan> hey demo stupid idea for ndnh: yuki-onna get base speed 16 cuz they're speedy nymph boys 22:20 <{Demo}2> they need better balance not that 22:21 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 22:21 * NCommander enters and then falls into a pile of segfaults 22:21 "You begin praying to FIQ. " 22:22 :HMMM: 22:22 Either FIQ deified himself, or Amy went through with her threat to put FIQ in SLEX 22:27 :( 22:27 And with that I must retire 22:28 nn all o/ 22:28 night 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3070 22:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2167 22:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 10353 points, T:3342, killed by a straw golem 22:55 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:00 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 23:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 23:12 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3009 points, T:5906, killed by a magic missile 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2322 points, T:3818, killed by an owlbear 23:19 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 23:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 4247 points, T:3802, killed by a parrot 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 453 points, T:1218, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 23:49 got a throne wish for my splicehack samurai. Any suggestions specific to Splicehack or should I get GDSM (which I need)? 23:51 get hex dragon scale mail instead 23:51 it's the exact same thing 23:51 just fancier 23:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 788 points, T:1082, killed by a magic missile 23:52 wiki is a little short on details about splice... what's special about hex DSM? 23:52 absolutely nothing 23:53 it gives MR just like gray dragon scale mail 23:53 does it look sexier? 23:53 I think it's purple 23:53 So yes 23:53 werd 23:54 like the classic D&D heroine's +10 chainmail bikini armor that the artists always depict. 23:54 so blessed greased +3 hex dragon scale mail is the correct wording? 23:55 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 hex dragon scale mail", on T:4343 23:55 oooh, looks good!