00:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 17551 points, T:6458, killed by a death ray 00:04 -!- moon_child has joined #hardfought 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:4906 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Kni Hum Fem Law), 438 points, T:792, killed by a dwarf 00:26 !lastgame 00:26 JonathanHanes: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/nethack/dumplog/1571630757.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HarmathZsolt/nethack/dumplog/1569217778.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/djm2000/nethack/dumplog/1571627624.nh.html 00:26 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26 luxidream: Considering your experience, would you be a good person to write impression blurbs for xnh/splice/evil? 00:27 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 00:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 00:27 I didn't ascend evil yet, I think I died stupidly to vlad during junethack 00:27 but I can write for spl/xnh 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:36479 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:6554 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:7752 00:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 00:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 00:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 01:15 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 485 points, T:985, killed by a gnome lord 01:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 316 points, T:690, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:26 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:140 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:140 01:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:143 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:149 01:43 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:7583 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:3246 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:8090 02:28 <@Plisp> minesflayer time 02:29 <@Plisp> ggwp it's all g 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class v), on T:3269 02:31 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:3271 02:40 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 03:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:10 aosdict: when you say "ideally the variant info should be written by someone other than the variant author"... who is going to write one for slex? most players don't get very far in slex and/or don't play it seriously... 03:12 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14 maybe I'll write yours 03:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:19 bug_sniper: sounds like you've accepted the challenge :D 03:19 I'm curious whether you'll be able to write an accurate description of the game! 03:20 slex is the variant where you ask amy how to cure stuff and what to wish for and wtf just killed you? 03:20 also the problem is probably that slex is still in quite the WIP state, and has changed a lot over the years 03:20 haha, I thought you'd also ask the developer what to wish for in other variants, e.g. dnethack or evilhack 03:23 people other than chrisang sometimes know what to wish for in dnethack and evilhack 03:24 haven't seen many people asking them what to wish for 03:24 well, if I were to get a wish in dnethack I'd have zero idea what to wish for 03:25 supposedly DSM is a total waste of a wish there, and stuff like premium heart or the tie-dye-shirt of I-cannot-fucking-carry-anything are apparently top tier 03:46 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4417 04:01 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a mithril hard hat entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:5161 04:07 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24 Evil Patch idea: flying nymphs with their AI special-coded such that they actively seek out water or lava squares when holding stuff they stole from the player. And once they are on such a tile, they drop their items to prevent you from getting them back. 04:30 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:42 FIQ: "When you go past the Valley, your acquired protection from priest donations, or from your god, will immediately vanish under Moloch's influence." WHAT??? sounds like an evil patch idea, why would anyone ever bother with getting protection in the first place if that was indeed the case? 04:43 <@FIQ> it works before gehennom 04:44 yeah but why would anyone go to great lengths to max out their protection if it's only working in the "easy" part of the game anyway? 04:45 <@FIQ> that is up to them 04:45 also wtf @ that entourage of 12 guaranteed player monsters. sounds like "if you're too weak to defeat them, you can't win the game; if you're strong enough, you'll get a ton of guaranteed loot from them" 04:46 and how come Orcus would still be guaranteed in your proposal while the others are not? 04:47 and making the amulet tell you about the portal only when you wear it means "hahaha lol you cannot wear life saving on the planes haha" :P 04:49 Instead, assuming the playerdoesn't polyself into a flyer, the player should have tonavigate "manually", by hitching rides, "walking" orthrowing objects to move. - what does "by hitching rides" mean here? 04:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:54 <@FIQ> Making Orcus guranteed was for the purpose of guranteeing a wand of death in the game 04:55 <@FIQ> Being engulfed 04:55 heh, IMHO your proposal has too many guaranteed items, but then again some of those (e.g. the shield of reflection) are sadly more or less mandatory (well, a source of reflection is mandatory, doesn't have to be a shield) 04:56 how would being engulfed help you in getting to the portal? you can't control the engulfer's movements! 04:56 <@FIQ> It does not help you no 05:03 -!- Dracunos has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in] 05:09 LarienTelrunya: "if its only working in the easy part of the game"? are you sure it's easy being a low levelled character without items, for sure that protection AC is very helpful still 05:10 alex___: well yeah, the very early game it will make a difference, but if you, say, have 5 intrinsic AC at dlvl24 and there happens to be a temple, buying a few more AC for thousands of zorkmids would be wasteful if it goes poof about 5 levels deeper down 05:10 then again, there's probably little other use for money in vanilla 05:11 which may also be something that a "dungeon overhaul" will want to address: giving money more value than just "I can buy X points of divine protection with it" 05:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:14 id rather just remove that mechanic tbh 05:20 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 05:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 555 points, T:1836, killed by a copper crossbow bolt, while frozen by a potion 06:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:21 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21 -!- Porkmantwo has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 08:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:37487 08:22 50 years ago Brandt was elected chancellor in germany 08:22 an important date 08:30 hi 08:30 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 08:34 <@Umby> yo 08:39 LarienTelrunya: [backscroll] Well, slex already has a paragraph written by rumflump, so it's not necessary to find someone else to write one. 08:41 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 08:43 <{Demo}2> slex testimonials 08:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided mind flayer, on T:39471 08:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:39600 08:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:52 hmm 08:53 aosdict: what if you could choose to go into a pact with a certain non-unique demon of your choice once in a game, giving you significant benefits but also major disadvantages for the rest of the game 08:54 on a per-demon type basis in the list of possibilities 08:54 and the demons also has said traits innately always, to make them more distinct 08:54 pact with juiblex and you get immunity to disease? 08:54 I was thinking regular demons, not lords 08:55 you mean lords are not interested in puny hackers 08:55 for example, being unable to gain (very) fast speed in any way in exchange for a +8 damage bonus 08:56 or being able to cast any spell in the game except (extra) healing without limit in exchange for no natural health regen 08:56 or similar 08:56 what if the demon tags along with you as the source of your new power 08:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:57 I suppose that'd be possible, but it means having to deal with a pet, with all its advantages and disadvantages 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobgoblin, on T:4720 08:57 and what if it dies? 08:57 then you lose the power 08:57 it would make it really easy to deliberately lose the power 08:57 just arrange for an accident to happen 08:57 and also he wouldn't really be looking out for you 08:57 basically I want this to be an one-time-only deal 08:57 you can't abort it 08:58 why not though 08:58 because one typically does not walk out of a deal with the devil 08:59 well its also a game where you can bash their heads in normally 08:59 typically youre not heralded since birth as the instrument of your god, so 09:00 especially since you mention regular demons, not lords 09:00 how do you trigger this? where does the demon come from? are you given a pact randomly? 09:01 aosdict: I was thinking by #chatting to any demon in the game 09:01 not tame ones, but peaceful and hostile 09:01 and upon completion, it vanishes from whatever corner in the underworld it came from 09:01 *vanishes back to 09:02 upon your death, your soul is claimed by it 09:02 ascending frees you from this 09:02 what does it imply that you soul is claimed by it 09:03 basically you sold your soul to it in exchange for the special trait 09:03 but whats the ingame drawback of this 09:03 so upon death, it cashes in -- flavour-wise I suppose you become a slave to it? 09:03 there is no in-game drawback -- it's merely to explain why a demon would allow this 09:04 the ingame drawbacks are the drawbacks of the trait 09:04 see above for examples 09:04 <{Demo}2> I like the idea 09:10 very cool, fiq 09:12 FIQ: there could be a score penalty, for what it's worth 09:13 but it seems weird to allow this to work on hostile demons 09:13 aosdict: I was thinking that yes, pre-ascension, but I didn't really care too much about it 09:13 could also make your god angry for doing this 09:13 because, as you already know, score is kinda pointless in the game 09:13 but with a working score system assumed, yes it makes sense 09:13 aosdict: In that case I'd probably make some demons spawn peaceful and immediately ask you if you're near 09:13 And it turns hostile if you reject 09:13 Kinda like a demon bribe 09:14 works right now 09:14 *Kinda like how a demon bribe works right now 09:14 And turn hostile right away if you're already "taken" 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 922 points, T:1579, killed by a dwarf 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 shuriken on an altar, on T:4239 09:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:25 Perhaps this should only apply to the lawful demons at first. 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 551 points, T:876, killed by a giant mosquito 09:25 -!- bubbles_nhww has joined #hardfought 09:25 Bonjourno! 09:26 <@Umby> Hi 09:26 Hello @Umby, Welcome to #hardfought 09:26 <@Umby> How goes ya 09:26 <{Demo}2> turbo 09:26 Anyone know of a known issue in dnh law quest, in Arcadia the first couple of levels, I've got a level where there is no way to the < from the > 09:26 (without digging) 09:27 Yeah, it happens from time to time. 09:27 Chris_ANG: Message from bubbles_nh at 2019-10-20 10:03 EDT: there is no pokedex for staff of twelve mirrors? 09:28 <{Demo}2> I don't think it is a bug (the paths of law), I think that is intended behavior? idk 09:28 It's an artifact khakharra, and artifacts don't get pokedex entries different from their base items. 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 25 points, T:334, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 09:29 And yeah, it's not *exactly* intended behavior, but it's also not something I've been trying to fix. 09:29 Fair enough, I shall go try to find a pickaxe 09:29 <@Umby> There's cases of vanilla levels where you have to dig/teleport to other sections of a floor that can't be reached in other ways, or at least can't be reached easily 09:30 Chris_ANG: slex's item descriptions include artifacts (see invent.c), will dnethack have something similar one day to reduce the player's need to consult out-of-game spoilers? *bundlebundlebundle* :) 09:30 And would you be open to a pull request adding it? *unbundle* 09:30 I'd be happy making one 09:30 Don't care about work restrictions yolo 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4846 09:31 Got another interview with the big A 09:31 <@Umby> "I have to dig to get through this level" =/= this level is completely unnavigatable and I cannot proceed at all" 09:31 I dunno, I think I'm still on the "no, that's a spoiler" bandwagon re artifact poxedexes. 09:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 102833 points, T:16439, killed by a warg 09:32 <@Umby> It's stated to be unintended but it's not necessarily an unreasonable obstacle to completion 09:32 <{Demo}2> dont you get to know what it does once u ID it? 09:32 Basic objects, yeah. 09:33 <{Demo}2> so wizmode only shows the "double fire damage" and "confers fire res" for ided arti (firebrand) 09:34 Also Chris_ANG why does booze heal an android? 09:34 I'm not moaning but it's a bit strange! 09:34 <@Umby> It's a Futurama reference. 09:34 <@Umby> Mom's robots literally run on booze. 09:35 Neir androids are ridiculously human, and can get drunk. 09:35 What is a neir? 09:35 Also I couldn't find any background lore on the karamel 09:35 Is it from a novel or something? 09:35 <@Umby> Think he meant Nier, though I feel like the Futurama reference might be more likely 09:35 Seems moderately interesting 09:35 What is Nier? 09:36 anime 09:37 Chris_ANG: hmm I'm not sure why you're withholding information from the player that could be gotten by source diving, especially considering there are so many artifacts that an unspoiled player can never figure them all out on their own... 09:37 Video game 09:37 Ahh 09:37 It is from Japan, though! 09:37 I can't play anything that requires real time reactions 09:37 Also o.O: "Final Fantasy 14's Nier: Automata-inspired raid gets an airing in new trailer" 09:38 Because I am stupid more than anything! 09:38 I can barely play nethack with how bad I am \o/ 09:38 Apparently no one has played Nier but everyone is crossing it over into their games XD 09:39 Is there some android-specific boulder-squeezing mechanic? 09:39 So are the karamel/fracture/witness from this nier too? 09:39 LarienTelrunya: "It can be learned by source diving" is... Like, you can *also* just edit the source to add an "I win" button. 09:40 Chris_ANG: uhh very much no, you can't :P at least if you play on the server you can't 09:40 also is there seriously anyone who plays a variant as complex as dnethack without using spoilers of some sort? 09:40 That's their choice, which is fine with me. 09:40 I understand the philosophy it's fine tbh 09:41 Though Chris_ANG at least can I PR you a request that also shows the damage graph for weapons in addition to the AdB+C formulae? 09:41 Theirs a difference between "It's a spoiler but it's on the wiki if you want it" and "It's shouted at you in every menu" 09:41 Otherwise comparing weapons is more harder! 09:41 Sure 09:42 meh, IMHO the dependance on spoilers should be decreased, not increased... but oh well, at least slex has full item information in-game :) 09:43 It *is* decreased. 09:43 Tbh dnh is still a lot better than other variants in that regard 09:43 So it would be at the bottom of my complaints! 09:44 Chris_ANG can I use an upgrade kit without a pet? I want to make my red eye 2h! 09:44 Kamerel are D&D again, though barely. They're extrapolated from some one-off entities in this one adventure from like 20 years ago. 09:45 They're like, hipster D&D. 09:45 <@Umby> I don't think the decision to avoid a too-highly-detailed blurb on a particular artifact is really "increasing" dependence on spoilers 09:45 @Umby: we're talking about artifacts that have no info at all in-game though 09:46 which, granted, is the case in vanilla too, but then again vanilla has an enormous reliance on spoilers 09:46 <@Umby> Doesn't vanilla have the lookup thing with encyclopedia entries for more artifacts? 09:46 well, the encyclopedia does pretty much tell you what the Eye of the Aethiopica does, for instance 09:47 '?' is criminally under-used in the nethack community 09:47 <{Demo}2> ?????? 09:47 <{Demo}2> made up for it 09:47 !revgeno paper golem 09:47 holy shit people 09:48 pat rankin commented on reddit 09:48 stennowork: huh? scrolls are rather common items 09:48 when I was playing UnNetHack I looked the Executioner up in the encyclopedia, which made him out to be much stronger than we found him 09:48 :I 09:48 ppl 09:48 executioner is strong 09:48 he has only one weakness 09:48 Though that we were level 30 with well-prepared armour and half physical damange probably helped. 09:48 he has insane damage output especially when generated with cleaver 09:49 @?executioner 09:49 Executioner (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire cold poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 60 | Generates: unique | AC: -2 | Attacks: 5d10 weapon physical, 5d10 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, swims, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, infravisible 09:49 We were expecting him to have Vorpal Blade 09:49 but no, Cleaver. 09:49 2x 5d10 weapon with cleaver as weapon is super hardcore 09:49 @?crystal ice golem 09:49 crystal ice golem (') | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 33 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate shock poison magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: sheol | AC: -10 | Attacks: 10d13 weapon physical, 10d10 breath random breath | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, thick hide, poisonous, nopoly, vegan 09:49 <@Umby> p. sure stenno meant the ? command lmfao 09:49 yes but CIG dont have weapon attacks 09:50 <@Umby> which I think was the lookup thing I referred to 09:50 @Umby i think the others know it too and were joking 09:50 They're also a lot slower.. 09:50 <@Umby> or rather 'lookat' 09:50 <@Umby> lol 09:50 Do 2x weapons double a monsters innate weapon damage too? 09:50 2x just means 2 attacks here 09:50 i meant 5d10, 5d10 09:50 Maybe that's how we know we had too many hit points 09:50 wait crystal ice golems have weapon attacks too lol 09:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:50 never mind 09:51 Crystal ice golems are scary. 09:51 no fire res is pleasant against CIGs 09:51 yeah 09:51 and the random breath is nasty too becasue those are dragon-style breaths? 09:52 so cloud of poison and all those nasty things 09:52 crystal ice golems are just... woo 09:52 they's nast-E 09:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:52 sheol is the super endgame branch 09:53 Yeah.. I believe it's random breath weapons a la Tiamat/Chromatic Dragon 09:53 ISTR that you can freeze to the ground there somehow 09:53 but forgot how that can happen 09:55 Oh is cleaver not a 2x weapon? 09:55 stennowork chillbugs 09:55 they look like grid bugs 09:55 <@malor> cleaver is 2x in dnh and does NOT "cleave". 09:55 but blue 09:55 oh the chillbugs 09:56 the one with shared HP 09:56 Also blue slimes. 09:57 I really wish I could use upgrade kits more 09:59 but wait 10:00 since when does patr comment on reddit? 10:00 i mean not that its a bad thing, quite the opposit 10:00 e 10:00 his account is only a few days old 10:00 stennowork: which thread is that? 10:00 nice 10:00 tell him he should get dev flair 10:01 LarienTelrunya, https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/dk7wdx/363hdf_custom_symbols_in_rcfile_no_longer_working/ 10:01 ah 10:02 in one of his recent commits he said that he *rarely uses the color option in-game*... does he play the game on an age-old terminal that can only display bright green? :P 10:02 I wouldn't be able to play the game without color... 10:02 and-ana OR mal XOR Neu 10:02 anselmus used to play without color too 10:02 LarienTelrunya: you'd have to farlook everything you see 10:02 it was a problem when we didd the roundrobin stuff 10:03 or just accept that dwarves might not always be dwarves 10:03 alex___: yeah, every single 'h' for instance unless you want to get flayed :D 10:03 Also Chris_ANG what is a "myrmidon ypolochagos"? 10:03 Are all these super lame pets? 10:03 bubbles_nhww, bless you 10:03 soudns greek 10:03 Ypolochagos (Greek: Υπολοχαγός, abbreviated Υπλγος) is used in the modern Greek language to mean "First Lieutenant". 10:04 i will follow pat rankin 10:04 There is a shop selling a bunch of figurines 10:04 first time i followed a user on reddit 10:04 ive never tried. how do shopkeepers react when you poly their inventory? 10:05 HMM 10:05 The Myrmidons (or Myrmidones Μυρμιδόνες) were an ancient nation of Greek mythology. In Homer's Iliad, the Myrmidons are the soldiers commanded by Achilles. 10:05 Now that is a question worth dying for. 10:05 so its a leutnant of achill 10:05 I'm guessing they are some kind of pet soldier 10:05 But the store owner is a centaur 10:05 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:05 id try in my current game but the closest shop is way far 10:05 I can just buy them all, they are only 80/per 10:06 i think polymorphing is fine 10:06 but you might get system shock where you have to pay for it 10:06 i mean you might just improve his wares 10:06 should be a win-win since you get a better selection too 10:07 I guess a "lochias" is a sergeant 10:07 But it's better to buy then poly 10:07 Otherwise he might charge me more! 10:07 figurines are cheap 10:08 just buy all the figuring and then polypil 10:08 <@Umby> ^ 10:08 <@Umby> In vanilla iirc polymorphing or otherwise destroying wares just tilts the shopkeeper and sends them after you 10:08 <@Umby> if that was changed for whatever variant this is then I wouldn't know 10:08 i think polypiling itself is fine 10:08 buuuut not sure anymore lol 10:09 <@Umby> make a not to wizmode that and put a pin in it 10:09 <@Umby> I'm actually considering visiting a computer lab that's a fair bit from here just so I can try playing these variants 10:10 <@Umby> part of why I play mobile so much besides habit is I'm usually busy or on the go when I'm not on this 10:11 do all figurines cost the same? 10:11 a - a tiny barded black dress <3 10:11 Pretty little bee!!! 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:32679 10:11 Alex___ I think so 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:32683 10:12 aww such a fleeeeeeecy little black dress! ♥ 10:12 Ok pray for me to get mr dragonface again 10:13 YES! 10:13 PLATINUM 10:13 D:? 10:13 Platinum dragon 10:13 For his scales 10:14 <@malor> I haven't ever gotten Bahamut that I know of. I didn't actually know to look for him until recently so I might have missed an opportunity. 10:14 Not to mentiuon all the ! from his minions 10:14 Bahamut? 10:14 Is that the plat dragon? 10:14 My new standard to is to get grimtooth as soon as possible 10:15 <@malor> In D&D lore that's his name. 10:15 Which makes finding all the extra bits much easier 10:15 He's in the law quest, you can see him when you go up the stairs too oona 10:15 Otherwise just check the > stairs on Arcadia 8 for a hidden door 10:16 I, sadly, never played d&d, read a lot of the books though 10:17 <@Umby> Same 10:17 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1810 points, T:2479, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a potion 10:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 718 points, T:1309, killed by a giant bat 10:19 -!- irina|log has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:25 <@rikersan> bubbles those are just lame ant ppl 10:25 <@rikersan> not enough hp imo 10:28 Cheers riker 10:28 Yeah hp/res is the only thing that matters in a pet 10:28 I don't care about the damage they do, but if they can tank 2-4 rounds of a demon lord I'm golden 10:28 That's 2-4 combos 10:29 <@Umby> YASI: Watchmen who treat town walls the way shopkeepers treat their shop walls, actively repairing them, but with the additional caveat that they also target monsters that actively dig through the walls on sight 10:29 <@Umby> explicitly tagged as YASI because that's what it is - I'm just sick of there being holes in half of Minetown :B 10:29 Also gnomes that shoot up the shops. 10:30 omg drunk dwarves on a bender to gnometown 10:30 AN IBIZA VERSION OF GNOMETOWN!!! 10:30 Evil Patch idea: dwarves will intentionally dig pits and holes everywhere in Minetown, especially inside the temple and in doorways. 10:30 drunk female dwarves seducing you ala *ubai 10:31 A tiki stall with booze and acid 10:31 Drugs everywhere 10:31 I can see it now. 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:8588 10:32 <{Demo}2> grand theft horses: minetown 10:32 <@rikersan> bubbles: no they can't lol they will die instantly 10:32 <@rikersan> they died to soldiers in the law quest last i tried 10:32 <@rikersan> and it was the good one, formian crusher p sure 10:33 What's a formian cursher? 10:33 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:33 {Demo}2 good call, a westworld gnometown 10:35 @?mumak 10:35 mumak (q) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: -2 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravisible 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11571 10:43 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:46 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 10:48 \o/ 10:48 a very nice lady tart she was <3 10:50 maybe I should have bought a tart on my last trip to the bakery 10:50 what's your favorite flavor? 10:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:55 Egg custard/vanilla tart 10:55 Defo the best 10:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:58 that sounds like flan 10:58 vlan ftw 10:58 best thing in the netherlands 11:00 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67914 11:07 !who 11:07 K2: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh363] Bartlem [nh363] Noah [nh363] rootkit [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] dbanethacker [evil] hackedhead [nh4] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] spontiff [nh363] Raisse [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:67966 11:13 that's a funny monster name 11:13 like oompa loompas like the sporkhack yasi 11:15 Do soldiers ever carry axes? 11:15 I need to chop down a tree so I can get out of this stupid quest area 11:15 Without losing all my gear. 11:15 they would pick them up at least 11:16 there's always a chance 11:17 about as high as them generating with a flail or sling 11:17 maybe you can use a pickaxe or break some iron bars instead 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh4] velesaya (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 37296 points, T:4128, killed by a werewolf 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2458 points, T:2773, killed by a gnome 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:2, killed by an exploding rune 11:19 bubbles_nh: I guess if there's a diagonal gap you could throw the items through one by one, and then squeeze past yourself and pick the stuff back up? 11:19 (except glass items, of course) 11:19 or throw a BoH, which protects it's content from that kind of damage, iirc 11:19 its* 11:19 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:68211 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:44885 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:38297 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 853 points, T:1087, killed by a giant spider 11:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 23531 points, T:7667, killed by a land mine 11:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:68565 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 111 points, T:202, killed by a giant spider 11:36 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:39 Ah good call hacked 11:39 And amy! 11:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:40 :) 11:40 I wonder how much people would hate a patch that collapses down combat spam 11:40 stenno: just saw patr's post on reddit. 11:40 whaaaaaaa 11:40 I.e. instead of "blah hits blah bites blah misses etc etc" 11:40 Just "You were hit 2/8 times" 11:40 Combat spam is the biggest boss in the game, 11:41 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 11:41 aosdict ikr 11:42 bubbles_nhww: If the messages in the game can be reduced down to that without the player having to care what they actually said, that indicates some underlying problems with the player being too powerful 11:42 Exactly, end game it is just spam spam spam 11:42 Maybe generate fewer, but more interesting, monsters 11:43 I guess one of the issues is they get a large number of individual attacks 11:43 Which is important to make AC (and DR in dnh) fair 11:43 aosdict I don't think all messages can, but certainly all messages where "you don't feel cold/hot/blah/blah" can be reduced 11:43 Optionally of course 11:45 This would probably be easier to do in nethack4, because something something channelization 11:45 <{Demo}2> yeah i was thinking about how annoying the code for an option like that would be 11:46 Yeah it has to buffer up all the messages for a turn, with sideband data etc. 11:46 Would be fun 11:47 But ultimately too much effort to slam on top of the older codebases 11:47 <{Demo}2> there is another option 11:47 <{Demo}2> a reallllllllllly bad one 11:47 Start coding bubblehack from scratch 11:48 A good one, I think you meant... 11:48 <{Demo}2> where all of the functions that write stuff out to the line at the top have a special case that checks if a flag is set 11:48 <{Demo}2> and set that flag before calling hit code if the option is set 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39882 11:48 True 11:48 yay bubblehack when? will it have monsters that shoot fleecy-colored soap bubbles at you? :) 11:49 <{Demo}2> bubblehack makes me think of tubhack 11:49 Tubhack? 11:49 <{Demo}2> i still dont know what happened to tub 11:49 *bubblebubblebubble!* 11:49 My ideas for roles would be "Frankenstein's Monster" where you are continuously decaying, quest giver would be Frankenstein! 11:49 And your quest item would be him as a support/healer pet <3 11:49 <@rikersan> the dude or the doc 11:49 Tub bub! 11:49 bubtub 11:49 <@rikersan> for quest leader 11:50 Doctor 11:50 He loved the monster 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 364228 points, T:39936, killed by a bone devil, while praying 11:50 Quest would be to rescue subsequent monsters from THE LAW who had unfairly captured them etc etc. 11:50 bubbles_nhww: There was a guy named tubs or mcw who started making noises about writing a variant in C++. But then disappeared. 11:50 I love C++ too! 11:51 <{Demo}2> and now it's gone 11:51 Hmm 11:51 Interesting. 11:51 <{Demo}2> the site he was hosting it on is gone 11:51 Wouldn't have minded stealing code! 11:51 <{Demo}2> I still have some version of it 11:51 the 'somebody wants to make a rewrite of nethack in ' is a long-standing meme 11:51 I admit to occasionally yearning for C++ when working in nethack's codebase 11:51 it happens once or twice every year 11:51 <{Demo}2> hey stenno 11:51 Other role idea: magician (trickster), card based mechanics with a "deck" that you can deal/draw from 11:51 <{Demo}2> take nodehack further 11:51 hey 11:51 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 11:51 For minor scrolls, etc 11:51 bubbles_nhww: splicehack has that 11:52 cartomancer 11:52 further to what? 11:52 ebonhack? 11:52 <{Demo}2> make it ur rewrite in javascript 11:52 Do you get new cards? 11:52 actually i have ported quite some code to JS already :D 11:52 but no :P 11:52 cartomancer is basically yu-gi-oh 11:53 one day slex will also have a cartomancer role and it will be teh r0xx0r :D 11:53 anyone remember that rust fanatic guy who wanted the entire variant dev community to start rewriting nethack in rust? 11:53 ugh 11:53 C++ at least people know/can read 11:53 rust is just ^&'mut&ref 11:53 <{Demo}2> isn't that everybody that uses rust? 11:54 {Demo}2 true fact lol 11:55 Is there any info on cartomancer? Wiki doesn't have a page 11:56 check the splicehack page? 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9445 11:57 actually that's redlinked, and dragonmaster isn't, so I guess just wait till the next time you see AntiGulp 11:57 I shall to the code look 11:58 Also does the large/small split for weapon damage have any material effect other than discarding weapons that have bad damage to one or the other? 11:59 I mean, I'd never carry around one weapon with good big damage, one with good small damage. 11:59 Same as the banes I guess. 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] fen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:78, killed by a bear trap 12:00 You sold a cursed -4 pair of gauntlets of fumbling for 25 gold pieces. 12:00 I think I got the best of that deal. 12:01 :-) 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1761 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13827 12:03 Cartomancer doesn't look like what I had in mind. 12:04 bubbles_nhww, gread idea. 12:05 LarienTelrunya, you've got lots of message spam, especially if you play as a race with extra attacks 12:06 bug_sniper: you mean in slex? 12:06 yeah 12:06 yes, but in slex there's enough dangerous monsters that you normally can't just skip past everything 12:06 aosdict: how does cartomancer work 12:06 there's no wiki articl 12:06 e 12:06 Looking at the code the decks are one-use apply items 12:07 That have a single effecet 12:07 <@luxidream> cartomancer has a small chance of keeping a scroll after using them 12:07 I was imagining something like a sack, you can find new cards in the dungeon and insert them into the sack 12:07 <@luxidream> they have an amazingly busted technique that polypiles a stack of scrolls in their inventory 12:07 And when you draw you get a scroll-copy of a card effect 12:07 <@luxidream> other than that they're pretty awful 12:07 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Holographic_Void_Lily how does this deal with covetous-warping exactly? 12:08 @luxidream heh, nice 12:08 So you'd be building up a deck while adventuring, and using it liberally, with some timeout 12:08 FIQ: Don't ask me, I didn't make the role. 12:08 cursed = 1card/draw, uncursed=3cards, blessed=5 12:08 <@luxidream> FIQ: spamming create monster to prevent covetous monsters from being adjacent 12:08 With like something like 300 turn cooldown 12:08 <@luxidream> probably not good advice imo 12:08 <@luxidream> the invoke on that is really useless 12:08 Not sure if this makes sense. 12:09 <@luxidream> it gives eregen and reflection though 12:09 there was this dcss god 12:09 I forgot his/her name 12:09 <@luxidream> nemelex 12:09 <@luxidream> nemelex xobeh 12:09 but it was all about card decks 12:09 yeah that one 12:09 <@luxidream> really powerful god 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1172 points, T:2544, killed by a sewer rat 12:09 <@luxidream> never really played them seriously though 12:09 it was nerfed multiple times 12:09 is it still really powerful? 12:10 bubbles_nhww: I don't think cartomancers actually interact directly with decks of (playing) cards or decks of fate? 12:10 Their "cards" are scrolls. 12:10 <@luxidream> it's still good because you get a deck to start out with 12:10 <@luxidream> which is more than what other gods give you to start 12:10 aosdict that's what the code looks like yeah 12:10 aosdict: well that kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it 12:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:10 waste of a perfectly useful mechanic 12:10 I'd want to do something that actually makes you build a deck while playing 12:10 <@luxidream> Cartomancers are a yugioh joke 12:10 Like a bit of slay the spire 12:10 integrated into nethack 12:11 <@luxidream> bubbles: definitely SMOP 12:11 SMOP? 12:11 Sorry I am not good at acroynms 12:11 <@luxidream> small matter of programming 12:11 @luxidream depends on what bubbles_nhww has in mind 12:11 Or spelling, it looks like. 12:11 if he means like dcss decks 12:11 then that wouldn't be all that hard to implement 12:12 <@luxidream> well, he mentioned deck building 12:12 small matter of programming 12:12 <@luxidream> and slay the spire 12:12 as in 12:12 an idea that might sound simple 12:12 but would be a huge pain to actually program 12:12 Like I said up there ^ A bag/container that you can insert cards into, taking cards out would draw 1-5 scrolls (that match a card in the bag) 12:12 for example, monsters and player attacks working the same 12:12 is a SMOP 12:12 :-D I know you love that particular thing 12:13 I think it might be better to just ignore the old code completely and pretend it doesn't exist 12:13 Exactly! 12:13 and do a form of clean room reverse-engineering 12:13 Start from scratch! 12:13 <3 12:13 basically, pretend that you know nothing about the previous monster combat code 12:13 but you know all about how it works in practice 12:13 and go from that 12:14 Yeah, I think that's the type of thing I'd do. 12:15 I do love the binder abilities because it gives you more tools, on short cooldowns 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:47319 12:15 As a general concept 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] fen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5 points, T:106, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse 12:16 binder has IMO a far better implementation of slash'em #technique 12:16 well, it's used for something else 12:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:16 but adapting it for #technique would be much better than SLASH'EM's approach IMO 12:17 It's weird that #monster doesn't use ctrl-f in dnh honestly 12:17 Would be nice to centralise all "abilities" 12:17 <@luxidream> after playing ToME 12:17 <@luxidream> hotkeys for techniques would be nice 12:17 FIQ: what's so bad about #technique? 12:17 what did ctrl+f do again? 12:17 luxi yeah 12:17 is it the invoke spirit power thing? 12:17 Ctrl-F = open the binder techniques 12:17 Yep 12:17 if so, yeah I agree 12:17 in fiqhack ctrl+f is dcss ctrl+f 12:17 which is... something else :P 12:17 so I was confused for a bit 12:18 Ah soz! :-D 12:18 There's some very slimmed down libcurses thing hanging around isn't there? 12:18 LarienTelrunya: I have balance concerns about it, but my biggest concern is the UI 12:18 #technique is far too common to be an extended command only 12:18 needs an easier keymap IMO 12:19 ideally you'd merge it with #monster 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:72189 12:19 according to cmd.c, [M-t] can be used as a shortcut 12:19 hmm 12:19 I recall not being able to use that when I tried 12:19 There's a certain amount of legacy and assumptions involved. 12:19 \M-t is a rather awkward binding, but not nearly as annoying as #technique 12:19 my biggest concern was that the game never tells you when a tech becomes available again, but I fixed that for slex :) 12:20 yeah 12:20 personally I have no problem with the extended command, because writing #te will autocomplete :) 12:20 binding isn't the only problem 12:20 However, I think both Shift-B and Ctrl-B can work for #monster (monster aBilities), depending on settings. 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 13065 points, T:8147, killed by a rope golem 12:20 Chris_ANG does not like vi-keys 12:20 And THAT is becoming the catch-all place for odd powers. 12:20 I do not :P 12:21 with that said, there is no reason to bind both shift+dir and ctrl+dir 12:21 they do almost the same thing 12:21 They don't! 12:21 I use both 12:21 there is marginal differences 12:21 for example 12:21 Don't stop at doors 12:21 I'd add a keyboard shortcut that works with vi, but I can't find any. 12:21 when I explore on games w/o autoexplore 12:21 I use shift+dir 12:21 But with _ it is less bad 12:21 Shift-dir is annoying in corridors 12:22 because it re-routes on walls and such 12:22 Because it will always end up in a dead end 12:22 however, when I explore grunthack mines 12:22 and evil 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:10919 12:22 I use ctrl+dir 12:22 Chris_ANG Ctrl-D? 12:22 No that's kick 12:22 Ctrl-R? 12:22 because unlike shift+dir, ctrl+dir will stop before you take a bath 12:23 LarienTelrunya I think the alt stuff doesn't work very well on linux/mac (or at least not very well when I tried) 12:23 I'm sure there's some terminal option for it. 12:24 uppercase keys for movement ftw 12:24 best way of moving 12:24 so I basically never use ctrl+dir 12:24 unless I'm playing something K2 is authoring 12:24 lol 12:24 \o/ 12:24 -o- 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:47726 12:24 FIQ was it you who did that curses implementation for modern day? 12:24 /o\ 12:24 That assumed some reasonable terminal and didn't have code for the 1960s? 12:24 |o| 12:25 bubbles_nhww: yes and no 12:25 lol is basically |o| 12:25 Tangles ported it to 3.6.x 12:25 Not in nethack, a standalone lib? 12:25 before he/she did so, I did some work to add perm_invent and a better status bar 12:25 I defo remember seeing something like that. 12:25 the old curses one kinda sucked 12:25 he 12:26 and didn't have a sidebar at all 12:26 PatR did not approve, apparently 12:26 luckily it is already in vanilla now 12:26 so it's not going away 12:27 or rather, he had a lot of problems with it that I disagreed with 12:27 not sure if he disagreed with the sidebar alltogether 12:28 Ugh call time 12:28 -!- bubbles_nhww has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a magical pair of falconry gloves entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:6260 12:35 caw caw 12:35 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:35 what the hell, my god gifts me gauntlets of fumbling *womp womp* 12:35 your deity laughs in your general direction 12:36 Crom laughs at your four winds! 12:36 hahah 12:36 ;) 12:36 my favorite: 'fuck you jobu! I do it myself!' 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 24 points, T:70, killed by an exploding crystal ball 12:37 ^ name the movie without using the googles 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:42395 12:37 hahaha 12:37 I have no idea dude 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42408 12:37 you lost me with that reference 12:38 man 12:38 'major league' with charlie sheen 12:38 aaah, never seen it 12:38 ah hell 12:38 I'll have to catch up on that one 12:38 I bet mostly just americans know it 12:38 is Jobu his god? 12:38 charlie sheen is cool in hot shots 12:39 yeah 12:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsjoFZEwAyI 12:39 what polymorph trap on dungeon level 8 12:39 NHrsa: thats where they first appear, yeah 12:39 u no help me now 12:39 lol 12:39 heheh 12:39 :) 12:39 Fuck you Anhur, I do it myself! 12:39 yes sometimes in the mine's end 12:39 \o/ 12:39 fuck it we doing it live 12:40 stenno who keeps downvoting all the quotes 12:40 like, all of them 12:40 even slex quotes?? 12:40 even slex quotes 12:40 i don't know 12:40 i don't have any access 12:40 this makes me sad 12:40 but is that a problem? 12:40 well no 12:40 jezus, blessed +5 gauntlets of fumbling....what a shitcake 12:40 I've certainly never downvoted any nhqdb quote 12:40 but it makes me sad 12:40 i mean its someone who doesn't like any of the quotes :D 12:41 its a bit silly but its fair 12:41 i'm crying on the inside 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:16966 12:41 stenno: it's some troll with too much time on their hands! 12:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:69747 12:42 i need a hug 12:42 :P 12:42 <@IceBox> hug 12:42 wooo 12:42 if they were really trolling, they would probably change their IPs to downvote into oblivion 12:43 * K2 gets a hug from an owlbear 12:43 ow 12:43 last hug you will ever need right thuur 12:43 I love that I can wear eyes of overworld now ! 12:44 \o/ 12:44 DIRGE 12:44 <@IceBox> you couldn't before rebatela? 12:44 note to self, don't fire forcebolts out the front door of the aligned priest temple 12:44 b/c the priest has a bad habit of stepping in your way 12:44 @IceBox I did this for evilhack - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4 12:44 icebox: i could but now it blocks, at least partially, against certain gaze attacks 12:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Elf Fem Non), 452 points, T:1615, killed by a giant bat 12:45 ahh ^^ what he said lol 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 450 points, T:1001, killed by a hobbit 12:47 anybody got tips on de-aggrivating the aligned priest? 12:47 tame monster? 12:47 do they accept a payoff> 12:47 gift certificate to ikea? 12:47 yeah his room is pretty bare 12:47 that could work 12:47 \o/ 12:47 hehe 12:48 find another temple... 12:48 yeah that might be the best idea 12:48 ok, lets work on tnnt stuff 12:48 lunch is over 12:48 I have an aligned altar on the first level 12:49 I could just go up there and cast create monster until I run out of food 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17458 12:53 <@Umby> Hi I exist what I miss 12:54 I find them the eyes of the overworld, I go back, and now they say to keep it and they want the amulet of yendor? wtf. I had a feeling that was a trap 12:56 <@luxidream> if you leave without talking to them, they will still be asking for help on the ascension run 12:56 who wants the amulet? 12:56 <@Umby> I think they're talking the quest folks? 12:56 ah... 12:56 <@Umby> but yeah they all do that 12:57 <@Umby> they'll do the same with the amulet as with the quest arti 12:57 I mean, didn't they send you on the Amulet Quest in the first place? 12:57 <@Umby> i.e. tell you to press on towards your True Destiny™ 12:57 <@Umby> that's actually not all that clear tbh 12:57 right, which well know is death by eating a cockatrice egg 12:58 <@Umby> lol 12:58 <@Umby> shut up 12:58 heh 12:58 <@Umby> the quest for ye old amulet is what you initially left your homeland for in your PC's exists-but-isn't-referred-to-all-that-much backstory 12:58 it was too many turns ago 12:59 i've gotten amnesia twice since then 12:59 <@Umby> oh yikes 12:59 which isn't nearly as bad when you can cast mapping and identify... but now both kinds of mf's are extinct 12:59 <@Umby> but yeah, you end up returning through the course of your travels because Shit Happens™ and also because your nemesis kinda has the Bell 12:59 just killed master kaen, clearing out the valley 13:00 <@Umby> ah 13:01 not extinct genocided 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9617 13:02 but i dropped down into the valley and barely survived a swarm of all sorts of nasty things. EotA was ignoring me 13:02 but yeah a couple master mind flayers wiped my brain 13:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:03 dumb on my part because in EH, there's actually a staircase down from the castle... no need to use trap doors 13:06 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 13:06 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:07 [backscroll] cartomancer is currently redlinked because the class is undergoing a massive rewrite for 0.7.0, and because current cartomancer is kinda garbage. 13:07 luxidream: yeah, that's why I go back and talk to them after finishing quest. It turns that message off 13:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10 hi AntiGulp! I'm currently in the process of implementing splice's Baphomet in slex :) 13:10 :D 13:10 LarienTelrunya: He’s not playtested, and currently uses water_damage_chain() in his breath weapon, so watch out. 13:11 well I decided to make splicomet's breath only curse items, without the water damage 13:12 but on paper your version sounds like "Yet Another Bullshit Boss"™ whom one would ideally want to skip entirely :P 13:12 <@luxidream> what's new with cartomancer 13:12 LarienTelrunya: I mean yeah, he is. I’m working on giving the player bullshit to combat lategame stuff. 13:13 lol :D 13:13 luxidream: Still not done rewriting, but heavy focus on turning monsters into “monster cards,” which can be read to summon temporary tame versions of them. 13:14 <@luxidream> ah, another card reference 🙂 13:15 <@luxidream> sounds interesting 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 988 points, T:2695, zombified by a hobbit zombie 13:16 <@luxidream> currently cartomancers blank all their scrolls and spam heart of the cards until something good happens 13:16 rebatela, stairs down from the castle? Such luxury lol 13:16 luxidream: Yeah, it’s currently basically the polypile role :/ 13:17 <@luxidream> You know with all your heart this is the one! B - 28 scrolls of genocide. 13:17 <@luxidream> Yes, yes it is 13:17 hey now, overgenociding is a problem too... 13:18 (admission: I actually hate cartomancers) 13:18 <@Umby> YASI/EPI: frequent enough genocide causes a permanent change in aligment 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:10738 13:18 <@Umby> and/or permanent godly anger 13:18 <@luxidream> why are they in your game 13:19 <@luxidream> if you hate them 13:19 luxidream: Because I didn’t know what I was doing when I added them. I like the flavor, but in terms of gameplay I’m really not happy. It’s why I’m changing them a lot in 0.7.0. 13:20 <@luxidream> what are the chances of keeping a scroll after you use one? 13:20 <@luxidream> I think that was their main gimmick but it hardly ever happens 13:20 luxidream: Pretty low, not sure. I have to log off in about two minutes to get back to work, so I can’t check. 13:21 New gimmick is going to be a pokemon-esque ability to capture creatures. 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 931 points, T:2412, killed by a little dog, while praying 13:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) destroyed Pestilence, on T:69976 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:30, killed by a goblin 13:23 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 13:23 <@luxidream> oh, it's a 10% chance 13:24 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 13:24 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Con Orc Fem Cha), 55 points, T:17, crunched in the head by an iron ball 13:25 antivirus: it's nice for sure being on the upstair when you go down. The time I fell through i almost died because i just got surrounded and obviously things started summoning etc. 13:26 one warning about the castle? and yes, I'm still a little bitter... Monsters can get to the wand before you and use it. It was 0:0 when i got there 13:27 so I guess polymorph into a xorn or something if you want to avoid that 13:28 WHAT THE FUCK 13:28 I charged it obviously, but i think they can do that too? Anyway, I'm going to try to ascend without using it just out of protest 13:28 NO 13:28 it's a grunthack thing i think 13:28 lol it's not called evilhack because it's super nice to the player :P 13:28 I get that... I really do 13:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) destroyed Death, on T:70026 13:29 but you fight all that way to get that wand... i was pissed 13:29 although, didn't grunthack add some sort of protection so that the castle wand (and only that one) is not used by monsters? 13:29 i mean... maybe it was only 0:1 to begin with (doubtful) but i'll never know 13:29 <@luxidream> FIQhack does 13:29 nope. grunt monsters can get and use the wand 13:30 just pretend it was 0:1 and your first wish was a failed artiwish 13:30 even in vanilla something can destroy the chest i believe... but it's never happened to me, and there's a reason it's on scroll of scare monster and elbereth and a locked chest 13:30 done 13:30 what about the old Elbereth square under the chest? 13:30 hothraxxa: yeah, I've been pretending that... 13:31 grunt and evilhack strats: come in polyselfed as a xorn, quaff object detection immediately, make a beeline for the chest. if it's in the corner towers, you might just be hosed 13:31 it's still there. elebereth and scare monster but i mean, humans aren't scared by that stuff and i don't think many monsters in EH are at all 13:31 oh, also come in levitating 13:31 er, *back corner towers 13:32 it's just... for me, I don't like how wishing is the only source of markers in the first place... But if I have to polyself, so i can get the wand of markers? i dunno 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] kasirin (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 15204 points, T:726, killed by a gnome lord 13:32 rebatela: I'm not sure why the devteam continues to have elbereth squares in sokoban and the castle, given that 1) elbereth does nothing if you aren't standing on it and 2) they put scare monster scrolls there anyway 13:32 for flavor 13:32 yeah... but historically it worked 13:32 <@luxidream> the scare monster doesn't even do anything, does it? 13:33 because belt and suspenders 13:33 rebatela: I'd not like playing a variant where magic markers cannot randomly generate either. 13:33 <@Umby> Scare monster probably covers the @ not spooked by Elbereth 13:33 I could even argue to the devteam that it misleads players into thinking they can protect a square with it a la 3.4.3 mechanics 13:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Cha), 6969614 points, T:70063, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1571349376.dnh.txt 13:33 there's a magic marker with the high priest in the sanctum 13:33 <@Umby> GG Malor 13:33 <@malor> thanks 13:33 @Umby yes, but: *no* monster is spooked by Elbereth if you're not on the square. 13:34 i do like that addition, hothraxxa! 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:12908 13:34 rebatela: i purposely did not make it so monsters will wish for scrolls of charging 13:34 it's prolly 0:0 13:34 <@Umby> might be a flavor thing then 13:34 he's been writing his memoirs 13:34 because i almost always wish for a marker post-killing the priest/pre-going into the planes (not being sarcastic) 13:34 in grunthack, thats the first thing they wish for, then they use up the wand and recharge it, use it again 13:34 yeah and EH monsters love to loot chests and zap wands 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 335 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49177 13:35 K2: do they also wrest it 13:35 i'm fine with all that though... I mean i'm in the valley and all the chests are empty except the trapped ones lol 13:35 if unless a monster *already has a scroll of charging* they'll take the WoW down to 0:0 and thats it 13:35 aosdict no 13:35 in grunt 13:35 it's just the castle wand that pissed me off when it happened. i'm over it now 13:35 oh in grunt? no 13:35 no jarlearl for you 13:35 aww 13:35 haha.. i almost jarlearl'd 13:35 <@luxidream> just go smart kobolds 13:36 <@luxidream> where they snap the wand before they die 13:36 hrm 13:36 i told the board i was going to drop it somewhere and leave bones and then i turned my laptop off 13:36 time to poly into a Xorn with an ammulet of flying 13:36 and snatch that wand lol 13:36 I'm not even sure how I would make sure I get it before they do 13:36 so yeah there's some ass pain if a monster gets a hold of a WoW but 1) you can recharge it and 2) they typically wish for things you'd want anyways, so kill them and take their gear 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5916 13:37 at most i lost 3 wishes... no big deal right ? 13:37 right 13:37 that's how i'd think about it 13:37 i should consider myself lucky he didn't have charging 13:37 you got 4 more to use if you recharge it 13:37 yeah I try to focus on what I gain, not loose in Nethack in general 13:37 to prevent ragequits 13:37 maybe they didn't wish for charging because they are used to the wands of wishing in the dungeon that can't be charged 13:38 heh 13:38 that's my philosophy. i'm not one of those who gets upset when they hear chugging or a monster uses up a wand 13:38 no i specifically left out scrolls of charging as an item a monster could wish for 13:38 but, if they already have one... 13:39 is the eh chest locked? 13:39 si 13:39 so in rebatela's case, the monster that got it was prob human/elven 13:39 a soldier with a key 13:39 and had a key 13:39 and nobody bothered with the wands of nothing, make invisible etc. 13:40 this is the first time it's happened. I think i've been to castle like 4 times 13:40 last time i was at the eh castle, i was fighting off the mob and i heard someone rummaging through a chest... twice 13:40 lucky for me neither of them was the wow chest 13:40 yep... i've gotten the message before but this time the wand was on the ground next to chest "empty" 13:40 yup thats random 13:41 i should make all the chests in the castle crystal chests 13:41 no monster will be able to open them, but you wont be able to either without magic 13:42 hmm 13:42 i almost always have at least 1 wish when i get to the altar, though, hence i have often ascened with a woodchuck named carl 13:42 hey, i meant to ask about those.. i'm assuming you can wish for them, but are they a magical tool that can be poly'd for ? or randomly found ? 13:42 \o/ 13:42 CARL 13:42 iow wishes are overrated 13:43 now there's a reason to actually learn Knock & Wizard Lock 13:43 Crystal Chests, for unlootable stash 13:43 helps that you found a wand of wishing of mine in bones last time... 13:43 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f0be1ae4bbf7e882f8476a91c03e45499fe6f12b 13:43 i always learn those, they're useful 13:43 antivirus: wizard lock works on safes too (although i imagine they can be polypiled) 13:43 you see here a crystal chest. inside you can see wand of wishing, taunting you 13:43 but i've been using safes and locking them magically 13:44 ooh 13:44 nice 13:44 <@luxidream> so farm until you find wand of opening 13:44 <@luxidream> sounds like fun 13:44 i need to move my stash from under boulder into safe actually, but wiz lock is only spell i don't know 13:44 or just learn knock 13:44 lvl 1 13:44 wizard lock is great for slmming doors from across the room. or making one if you need to 13:44 yeah... knock is easy to write even 13:45 * K2 makes knock and wizard lock lvl 5 spells 13:45 yeah it's an underrated spell 13:45 D'OH! 13:45 :P 13:45 <@luxidream> just write it with the marker you don't have lol 13:45 hahah 13:45 finger of death lv 1, knock lv 7. Perfect. 13:45 <@Umby> 4Head 13:45 luxi thanks for the asc on tnnt beta 13:45 that helped us pin down some issues with the new content 13:45 so these crystal chests? can i polypile for one ? 13:45 what another one? 13:46 <@luxidream> np 13:46 <@luxidream> did my character work in the arena 13:46 it will now 13:46 your 3rd asc properly wrote to the npcdata file 13:46 and its now synced across all 3 servers 13:47 there's still more work to do (i'm doing some now) but we're in a good spot 13:47 <@luxidream> sweet 13:47 hothraxxa what? 13:49 rebatela: probably can 13:49 but they are rare 13:49 cool 13:50 so like trying to get a marker in vanilla, but not impossible 13:50 right 13:50 i want one. but i don't think it's worth a wish 13:50 you'll find one eventually 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29022 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:29024 13:50 i've already had reports of 'wtf is this?' in the wild 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class R, on T:29024 13:52 <@luxidream> I'll be sad to lose that valkyrie, it was actually pretty decent lol 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt", on T:43446 13:53 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53 OMFG boys 13:53 b - an uncursed wand of wishing (1:2). 13:53 found in a chest 13:53 in minetown 13:53 woohoo 13:53 in EH? 13:53 whooot 13:54 yep in EH 13:54 awesome 13:54 yeah I'm stoked 13:54 it takes a special kind of player to find a wand of wishing, use it enough times to have recharged it, and then die anyway. 13:54 special? haha 13:54 hold my beer 13:54 nah they are precharged 13:54 and watch closely 13:54 oh, it's not a bones level? 13:54 nope 13:54 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55 I looted a chest in a closet on the bottom right corner of minetown 13:55 locked chest 13:55 <@luxidream> aosdict: I lost my first WoW speedrun after doing just that 😦 13:55 "I have the perfect ascension kit! Now nothing can stop me- oh no" 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:29805 13:56 ok. soon i will -72AC and MC3. That should be enough 13:56 just need some hit points 13:56 <@luxidream> I got yeenoghu after dipping for excal 13:57 <@luxidream> definitely enough to stop a level 5 valkyrie, lol 13:57 aosdict: in evilhack randomly found WoW are pre-charged (just like in unnethack) 13:57 yeah.. my first time playing i found a wow and wished for charging like an idiot and then the wand exploded lol 13:58 @luxidream I don't think anyone would say you *aren't* a special kind of player 13:58 hard lessons 13:58 you need to ascend that game now, antivirus (or die and leave bones before you use it) 13:58 mehehe 13:58 I've got sting 13:58 oh. yeah don't do that then lol 13:58 so, if the fire vortex shows up now.... 13:58 you might get it haha 13:59 J/K I genocided fire and energy vortexs 13:59 there's a special place in gehennom for heros who ruin my arti-wishing with "sting" 13:59 I got a grudge 13:59 it takes soooooo long to get MagicBane, I have to have some decent dagger 14:01 i found grayswandir in the perseus statue (and i'm using martial arts) 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29965 14:02 i might switch back to it... it really seems like martial arts at grand master is better. maybe not for silver haters 14:02 rock trap insta death 14:02 it's fine I didn't want to make use of that altar anyway 14:04 i kind of like that change to magicbane.. It's awfully powerful to guarantee as a first gift, but man that makes early game wizard even harder 14:05 you have 3 wishes though... should be able to stay alive 14:05 yeah I was just mulling over what to wish for 14:06 I found a rando dragonhide cloak, so something that gives me MR, something for reflection, and a weapon 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:50754 14:06 is what I am currently thinking about, but sorry if you're trying to watch at all. I'm also working, and not playing actively today 14:06 oh i'm not watching. I'm busy exploding my ring of protection 14:07 got greedy 14:07 I mean I could wish for a +3 fixed dragonhide cloak of MR...but I already have a big AC cloak so it feels like a waste 14:07 k 14:07 yeah... later on you will actually find dragonhide gear too. something to think about 14:07 this has got to be a bones level 14:07 I mean, it's still worth the wish 14:08 But like, I'm wearing dragonhide fedora and dragonhide high boots that are clearly not wishes lol 14:08 yeah I found a -1 dragonhide dwarven cloak already 14:08 ha ha fedora 14:08 yeah the idea of a dragonhide cornuthaum is attractive 14:08 dragonhide speed boots too 14:08 it's too bad helm of brilliance isn't cloth or leather 14:09 cornuthaum is pretty nice, or at least it was in maze levels 14:09 yeah.. i almost wished for speed boots, but i already had them... then i learned haste self and found the high boots so it's kind of a waste to wear speed boots when i can get the ac 14:09 maybe not? 14:09 need to poly for another ring of protection now though 14:09 good luck 14:10 i had it +3 and charged it and it blew up.. It's more for the MC+1 than the AC though 14:10 thinking about vlad 14:12 yummy wizard skewer 14:12 ^ nice 5th element reference, I just noticed 14:12 YANI (addendum to earlier idea about rings giving you a warning before exploding): rather than basing this directly on the numbers, once you get warned ("ring vibrates unexpectedly" or whatever), the otrapped bit gets set on that ring. Charging a ring with otrapped set always explodes it. Discharging a ring (cursed charging/drain life) has a 50% chance of removing the otrapped flag per point lost. 14:13 rebatela, Dragonbane are gloves now? 14:18 <@Umby> in the variant he's playing, yeah 14:19 <@Umby> or whichever pronouns are appropriate, kinda defaulted 14:19 <@Umby> should not do that 14:19 People don't kill people - Daggers kill people 14:20 <@Umby> lol 14:20 <@Umby> also imagine hearing conclusive ravings and confirming you're on the Oracle level 14:20 <@Umby> only to run into a water mocassin 14:20 <@Umby> prepared for some shit show bones 14:20 ah 14:20 some poor quaffer 14:21 <@Umby> found a mimic 14:22 <@Umby> those can be generated, just don't see it often 14:22 Conclusive ravings? 14:23 yeah that's what you hear on the Oracle level 14:23 "argh far myaratmo snarg! Warrh! P = NP!" 14:23 it's convulsive ravings 14:23 haha conclusive ravings 14:24 sorry I just read that move closely 14:24 *more 14:25 * LarienTelrunya throws a conclusion grenade from Team Fortress :D 14:25 "Sir, we've gathered data from over 100 raving oracles. The results are... conclusive." 14:26 "Its a witch hunt!!" 14:26 that's a conclusive raving 14:27 itym "rigged witch hunt" 14:27 in all caps, followed by 3-5 ! 14:28 <@Umby> no sign of any dead idiots 14:29 <@Umby> was I just really that fortunate to RNG a mocassin 14:29 <@Umby> or was there shapeshifting nonsense 14:30 moccasins don't randomly generate 14:30 on the oracle? I'm calling fountain quaffing. 14:30 <@Umby> oh no I was almost stoned 14:30 <@Umby> but then I ate lizard 14:31 <@Umby> and then I wasn't 14:31 <@Umby> Knights don't lose their xl7 speed like that right? 14:31 I think you do actually. 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2076 points, T:3027, killed by a kitten 14:31 <@Umby> also nothing showing any ghosts, I have intrinsic tele 14:31 <@Umby> the two mummies I found weren't player mons 14:31 maybe whatever almost stoned you stoned the dead guy 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 175 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:51773 14:32 wiztesting with valkyrie shows that my innate speed is gone 14:33 you lose innate speed if you start to slow down 14:33 duh 14:33 gremlins 14:33 always stealin' 14:33 <@Umby> I didn't see any slowing down messages 14:33 <@luxidream> The first stoning message 14:33 did a footrice start to stone you> 14:33 <@Umby> Just "You hear the cockatrice's hissing" 14:34 <@luxidream> You are slowing down 14:34 if the game says "You are slowing down", it means that you lost speed 14:34 <@Umby> Then that stoning thing in the corner 14:34 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/635908774145556491/Capture_2019-10-21-14-34-20.png 14:34 <@Umby> so no, seems not 14:34 <@Umby> The cockatrice spawned later anyway 14:34 <@Umby> For clarity this is dl9 14:34 hm. come to think of it i must have lost my speed earlier 14:34 antivirus: dragonbane are dragonhide gloves that grant reflection and acid resistance... 14:34 however it is possible that you're fast enough with the lizard corpse to not get that message, and then the speed will still be there 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1059 points, T:2910, killed by a boiling potion 14:35 yup. i did :( 14:35 <@Umby> F 14:35 umby: 'he' is fine. i'm a dude 14:36 <@Umby> Good to know. as for the moccasin, I assume chameleon now 14:36 <@Umby> Level was way too standard 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:10169 14:36 hothraxxa: interestingly, draining back below 7 and then raising it back to 7 restores speed, and you still get the "You feel slow!" message even when you lost speed 14:37 and yeah so antivirus, if you're still here. dragonbane is sick in EH because it frees up the amulet slot. not that big of a deal if you're wearing sdsm, but for a monk it is huge 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:18245 14:37 yeah I'm here and thinking how to get reflection 14:38 considering SDSM, Dragonhide Speed Boots, and Dragonbane 14:38 while I do have a cloak of MR, I'm not wearing it right now in favor of a generic dragonhide cloak 14:38 thats why SDSM 14:39 aosdict: if you already have intrinsic speed before reaching XL7, leveling up will also still say "You feel quick!" 14:39 oops I mean GDSM, for MR 14:39 not SDMS 14:39 yeah i gotcha 14:39 LarienTelrunya: I guess that's consistent then? 14:40 of course then I can't get gauntlets of power, which I do love 14:40 but yeah the ability to wear an amulet of lifesaving, priceless 14:40 there's gauntlets of protection now too 14:40 yeah; in slex I have a role that gets searching on every level from 2 to 30 and it always gives whatever the wording of the message is :D 14:40 and earlier in this game I had some gauntlets with some sort of fire damage 14:40 oh nice, yeah I think K2 added items with magical properties 14:40 sounds like you had one of them 14:40 yup 14:40 yeah.. I was just thinking about that. I'll be able to wear magic breathing and then lifesaving on water/astral 14:40 obj properties 14:41 those things were awesome! 14:41 the sick thing about wizard, we can see right away when something is magical 14:41 including those 14:41 fire gloves for a monk sound amazing 14:42 is that what these new magic detection scrolls do? 14:42 I haven't used one yet 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 fixed Gray Dragon scale mail", on T:6677 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 fixed dragonhide speed boots", on T:6678 14:44 have you done soko yet? 14:44 nah 14:45 I still have one wish to wrest 14:45 maybe wait on what i get there you think? 14:45 just thinking you still need reflection somehow 14:45 yeah I was considering dragonbane 14:46 already at AC-29 in minetown, not bad 14:47 dragonbane is a great wish. but yeah, i think MR is more important IMO so you've got that covered 14:47 yeah it's covered 14:47 and there are not too many earlygame reflection hazards (famous last words) 14:48 heh. just watch out for black dragons 14:48 yeah I have nothing against disintigration 14:48 oh that's the other change. dragonbane is immune to passive disint from them 14:48 hmm 14:48 ok I'm sold 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 Dragonbane", on T:6713 14:49 sweet 14:49 u still have the castle wand and you'll probably get an early wish or two from a lamp or throne anyway. 14:49 got everything my heart desired 14:49 now I need a good weapon, BoH markers 14:49 etc 14:50 i lucked out with early wishes in this game (didn't find a wand tho!) 14:50 flying/levitation too 14:50 nice 14:50 yeah I should shut my mouth now, I am still not worth (you hear me RNG?) not worthy 14:51 do soko and go for the tool... you can find levitation/flying fairly easily 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8419 14:51 no markers until the sanctum lol 14:51 obscene! 14:52 <@Umby> On to Sokoban 14:52 who needs markers when you have dragonhide 14:52 <@Umby> Zoo better not suck 14:52 you're a wizard! you're supposed to be able to write spellbooks lol 14:52 <@Umby> Also the situation is a bit 😬 in general because I found a reflection amulet in a store 14:52 <@Umby> Along with a robe 14:53 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:53 that's quite the score 14:53 <@Umby> so provided proper spellbooks I could actually cast a bit once I get rid of this mithril coat 14:53 robes are rare 14:53 <@Umby> I mean I got another to drop from a monster later so 14:53 <@Umby> :B 14:53 <@Umby> I just want a gd BoH 14:54 heh.. i didn't find one in my game until like 30k turns 14:54 but at some point in EH you start running into player monsters that have them so i refused to use a wish 14:56 https://media1.tenor.com/images/0e5c4c8f3fc17dbdf63049fec591dee1/tenor.gif?itemid=4997025 14:58 uhhh yeah now you are REALLY temping rngesus 14:58 hehe 14:58 remember when that little basdard says that and gets toasted by the liquid nitrogen 14:59 shoulda packed a ring of cold resistance 14:59 well this goes to show what a crazy hard game EH is 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:52760 14:59 what I have now, would make me totally ascendable in vanilla 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Bar Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:9053 15:00 but I don't even feel safe 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:52814 15:02 there's no way i don't hit 60k turns in this game. oh well 15:03 i'm at 45k and just finishing Votd 15:03 rebatela: try for a speedrun sub-20k game in tnnt :D 15:03 arg 15:04 fell into water 15:04 annoying lol 15:04 aosdict: tnnt will be a nice change of pace for sure. and with the new scoring system, it will force me to play other roles 15:04 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:05 well, not force me... but I have a clan to care about and all 15:05 i can ascend let's see Knight, Priest, Monk and uhhhh well I'd like to think I can do valkyrie and samurai. Not sure about tourist etc 15:06 or archeaologist i can't even spelli t 15:07 glass gauntlets.. is this a joke? 15:09 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/635917481072132106/Capture_2019-10-21-15-08-55.png 15:09 <@Umby> :GWmemetownLULLLLLLLLLLL: 15:09 <@Umby> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/635917481072132106/Capture_2019-10-21-15-08-55.png link for those wondering 15:09 <@Umby> What a fucking meme 15:10 rebatela: you can do any role, trust me 15:10 hothraxxa: thanks :) 15:11 umby: hey you're not supposed to do that unless you are a member of teamsplat 15:12 try them. you'll see how to adjust your game fairly quickly 15:12 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7969 points, T:415, killed by a sewer rat 15:13 !who 15:13 jonathanhanes_: [hdf-us] machinespray [nh363] Bartlem [nh363] Merlek [nh363] oh6 [nh363] Starkuss [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] rebatela [evil] hackedhead [nh4] groovejumper [fh] | [hdf-eu] galadriel [nh363] Vis [nh363] rsa [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:13 <@Umby> Lol hothraxxa is that where the name came from? 15:14 rebatela, I found wooden gloves at one point 15:14 reading backlog 15:14 like, yeah that's gonna work real nice 15:14 teamsplat? not sure, the name predates me. that's a teamsplat tradition, though so i would guess so 15:14 fiqhack monsters do wrest wand wishes 15:14 but only 1:0 ones 15:14 and they don't wish for charging 15:14 i've found wooden gloves lots of times 15:14 wooden gloves are cool 15:15 so they have to just happen to have a blessed scroll 15:15 for it to work 15:15 all the cool kids wear wooden gloves 15:15 oh and they need to have BUC knowledge of it 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 19494 points, T:10254, killed by a touch of death 15:15 I've been playing adom 15:16 if you think NetHack spoilers are bad 15:16 you should see ADOM 15:16 K2, damn hipsters these days and their wooden gloves and handlebar mustaches. The good old days were not that good 15:16 also, adom wiz are crazy strong in comparision to melee 15:16 get offa my damn lawn you damn kids 15:16 heh 15:16 i should try adom 15:17 i think i did once many moons ago 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:13665 15:18 are gelatinous cubes genocideble in eh? 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:53470 15:19 they are in vanilla, so i'm hoping yes 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:53472 15:22 does anyone else ever hit 'i' by mistake and you see your stuff and think you just died? maybe it's an eh thing 15:25 playing without perm_invent, I hit i all the time. What I get that confused with is whether it's just a display of my inventory or whether I'm putting stuff into a container. 15:26 why do you play without perm_invent? what's the advantage of having your inventory shuffled randomly? 15:27 I panic and think i spaced through DYWYPI 15:27 he's talking about curses where you see your inventory on the screen all the time, i believe 15:27 So yeah did anyone know about the curses library I mentioned earlier? 15:27 I might be talking rubbish though 15:27 I just thought there was a lightweight replacement (or wrapper) for ncurses 15:28 raisse plays the right way (tty) 15:28 I hate the curses interface. There I said it. 15:28 alrighty i have two shimmering dragons, two silver dragons, a fire giant, and a snark named jubjub 15:28 i don't like curses either, bubbles 15:29 But I do need the programming library so bubblehack can be born 15:29 took me 46,000 turns but i'm finally in gehennom proper 15:30 slow wins the race 15:30 Unless it's a minimum turn race.. 15:30 i forget what has changed about juiblex 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2337 15:30 i'm sure you all will find out with the death iminent death announce 15:32 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the tourist of groovejumper, the former Sightseer, on T:1166 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:45777 15:33 woo go reba! 15:33 WHOH 15:33 sorry dude 15:33 what happened 15:33 martial arts... who needs grayswandir 15:33 I know you're immune to sickenss, so that wasn't it 15:34 nothing happened ? re-read it lol 15:34 i slapped him do death 15:34 oh oh 15:34 hahah! nice 15:34 you're prior message got me concerned 15:34 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 39627 points, T:1188, killed by a silver dragon's ball of cold 15:35 ok, it's lunch time - time to seek the amulet 15:35 i think i'm going to fight demon this time. it felt cheap skipping by 15:35 demogorgon* 15:36 YES: DO IT 15:36 Kill demo 15:36 it is destiny 15:37 i meant to skip his level last time, but i was so excited to have the amuelt i rushed right up into his lair lol 15:38 managed to escape, but if i'm going to do it, I'll be fighting him from above not on the way up with the amulet 15:39 in vanilla, you can just rubber chicken. not all that tough 15:40 I know I used to kill him with a tin opener 15:40 i badly need detect treasure.. i guess i will polypile spellbooks. wiz lock and det treasure are only spells i don't have 15:40 Proves my manliness innit 15:40 man/woman-liness 15:43 huh, mindflayers are not peaceful to Illithid eh? 15:44 Do you think it's ok to assume 256 colours nowadays? 15:45 I'll go one better and say it's ok to assume 64bit, and millions of colors. If you don't have that...nobody can help you 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:46022 15:45 yeah! clean out those demons 15:46 mindflayers are wild compared to illithid, who function in normal society 15:46 therefore mindflayers hate illithid 15:46 ah 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4746 points, T:5251, killed by a tengu 15:46 are you playing an illithid, antivirus? 15:46 yes, and it rocks 15:47 oh wow... i had no idea 15:47 that's so cool and you are kicking ass haha. that's great 15:48 that extra melee tentacle attack made me just deadly enough in melee to get over the early game hump 15:48 actually K2 do you have any write-up of Illithid yet? 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 535 points, T:397, killed by a giant mimic 15:49 yeah 15:49 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#New_player_races 15:49 ^ scroll down 15:50 yeah the power generation rocks 15:51 i scaled that down from what i had it set for initially 15:51 its still high 15:51 i may tweak illithid some more but i need to have it played by public first, get feedback 15:52 raisse: when I said perm_invent I meant the curses window thing yes. I play in tty in a 100x28ish terminal so no room for it 15:53 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 15:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 15:54 ooop! dbanethacker bones level 15:55 yeah, bones in EH are usually pretty solid 15:55 Does anyone else use termbox?:thinking 15:55 yeah he has a dragonhide hat 15:55 and some kind of amulet that obviously was not life-saving loll 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:12823 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1870 points, T:2836, killed by a master mind flayer 16:04 does eating brains gain nutrition? 16:04 I've been trying like hell to get off of Satiated status, but cant 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 88111 points, T:12924, killed by a baluchitherium 16:06 AntiVirus: it does 16:06 it will never make you choke to death though 16:06 hrm, well I'm chucking out most of this food 16:06 one challenge with Illithid is keeping dex from being abused 16:07 because it's very very easy to be satiated 16:07 YANI: Illithids can *only* eat brains, and corpses. Corpses killed by brainsuck have no brains to eat and are inedible. They cannot eat regular food. 16:07 hmm, that could be hard in EH 16:08 I really need fortune cookies, and eucalyptus leaves 16:08 of course, fortune cookies can be applied for the forture 16:08 *fortune 16:08 sometimes you can learn Elbereth from a cookie 16:10 AntiVirus: It's not all that different from vampire-race food restrictions. 16:10 Not that evilhack has vampire race. 16:17 ah, they can only eat blood or something like that? 16:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/635934788322328606/unknown.png 16:17 <@luxidream> all according to keikaku 16:18 luxidream, YESS 16:18 <@Umby> nice, ez clapped an air elemental with -7 AC and exclaibur 16:18 <@Umby> also nice™ 16:18 best random trap result ever 16:19 Quick luxi lay an egg! 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5005 16:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:20 huh, I'm all dragonhide and wood - come at me rustmonster 16:20 <@Umby> #FuckYouRustMonsters 16:25 AntiVirus: in unnethack at least, vampires get a little nutrition using their bite attack against blood-bearing monsters, and can also drain the blood from corpses (but this needs to happen within a few turns of it dying, otherwise it congeals and is useless.) 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17307 16:32 <@Umby> hell yeah 16:33 <@Umby> co-aligned uni on the last floor 16:33 <@Umby> and there's a coautl in the zoo according to telepathy 16:33 Yo {Demo}2 you got that source dump of this dubhack you were talking about earlier? 16:33 I wouldn't mind having something to look at! 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7873 16:35 Ahhh it was libuncursed I was thinking of 16:40 tubhack not dubhack 16:41 YASI: dubhack, the windowport that uses a poor text-to-speech translator on every game message 16:43 :D 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7477 points, T:8562, killed by an owlbear 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:18240 16:47 qw 16:47 and you're thinking of making bubhack evidently 16:50 <@Umby> Go team a. 16:51 aligned priest has all my books, and is angered.... 16:51 you shouldn't be allowed to root on team a if you're playing locally... 16:52 time for operation Library Card 16:52 two scrolls of teleport, snatch those books and jet out of there lol 16:52 <@Umby> joke's on you, I root for team a in all instances 16:52 Rooting for team a is universal. 16:52 <@Umby> though only if they kill me :B 16:53 let's not gatekeep "go team a" :) 16:53 <@Umby> for real 16:53 !who 16:53 FIQ: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh363] Luxidream [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh363] rsa [nh363] AlbertB [nh363] galadriel [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:54 nevermind, that didn't work 16:55 I guess there was a monster on the square lol 16:55 almost got cooked by a lightning bolt... 16:57 joke's not on me. I'm well aware of go team ant. It's just usually said by people who are also opening themselves to people commenting on their game 16:57 i was kidding anyway 16:58 <@luxidream> team a doesn't discriminate 16:59 <@luxidream> we shouldn't either 16:59 true 17:01 relevant https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1989 17:02 <@Umby> I practically live blog my game here anyway 17:02 <@Umby> speaking of which, zoo is going alright, kinda accidentally woke everyone while disposing of a gas spore 17:02 i usually assume people who are afraid to play online are save scumming... too hard not to. and i never got decent at nh until i played on server 17:03 <@Umby> brightside is I don't compromise my alignment 17:03 <@Umby> well yeah, not much for that assumption to go on 17:03 <@Umby> I've been pretty forward when I've died stupid/inexplicable deaths so 17:04 i believe you. just saying in general 17:05 <@Umby> mm 17:05 <@Umby> :keizaShrug: 17:06 it'd be pretty odd if we were all playing on our phones and chatting on the hardfought public server freenode channel, no? plus there'd be no games to comment on 17:06 <@Umby> never said it wouldn't? 17:06 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10 <@Umby> oh right, xorn in the zoo 17:10 <@Umby> RIP all that gold 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:19484 17:10 aosdict: yeah bubblehack 17:11 bubhack 17:11 bubhack, better, true. 17:11 pubhack, for playing with beer. 17:11 stubhack. Ouch! That hurts! Your right leg is in no shape for kicking. 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:19486 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:19487 17:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12 cubhack. The baby owlbear bites! 17:13 rubhack. Djinni pop out of a magic lamp 100% of the time rather thean 33%. 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:19559 17:13 <@Umby> WOO 17:13 <@Umby> bag of holding 17:13 <@Umby> problems solved 17:13 <@Umby> except I need a new horse now 17:13 grubhack. This food is delicious! 17:14 hubhack, interactive hardfought irc 17:14 clubhack, you are hallucinating all the time and have to dance 17:14 clubhack, with improved aklyses 17:14 chubhack, you have to eat 5x the amount of food 17:14 meh 17:14 yub-nubhack. introducing the fearsome ewok monster 17:14 stubhack, nothing is implemented, it just gives an error message. 17:15 <{Demo}2> shubhack, with everyone's favorite lovecraftian god 17:15 glubhack, with improved drowning mechanics 17:15 {Demo}2: you sniped me 17:15 glub glub you die! 17:15 tubhack, now with baths in addition to sinks 17:16 scrubhack. You can take baths in pools of water to restore Charisma reduction. 17:16 subhack, you can explore underwater with a submarine 17:16 mmmmmmmm 17:16 tell me more 17:16 snubhack, for those who won't play any of those _inferior_ variants 17:17 blubhack, for when you just want to cry 17:17 shrubhack, introducing hedge terrain 17:17 nubhack, with controller support 17:17 <{Demo}2> wubhack, the epic dubstep version 17:18 <@Umby> grubhack. now with 200% more baby purple worms 17:19 <@luxidream> dubhack, with poor voice actors for every monster 17:19 <@Umby> stubhack, currently a work in progress 17:19 I think we're just repeating now 17:19 <@Umby> oh balls, used that one already 17:20 <@Umby> how about 17:20 <@Umby> shrubhack 17:20 yes 17:20 <@Umby> trimming the trees around your homeworld, weeding out shriekers and shit 17:21 <@luxidream> oh wait dubhack was the original 17:21 <@luxidream> I just got here 17:23 <@Umby> made it to lv10 from monster exp, 11 from this wraith I just killed 17:23 Well currently bubblehack is more "get libuncursed to compile without aimake (sorry)" 17:23 this was not quite the scope of Hash'EM Extended Breakfast, but had a good run 17:23 <@Umby> plus turns out orcs were holding most of that gold 17:24 <{Demo}2> hashem extended breakfast what 17:24 bubbles_nh: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2473 17:24 Ah of course. I need to wrap in extern "C" 17:25 Mmmmm tasty hash 17:28 <@Umby> just have to fix my horse problem now, get the luckstone from Mine's end, then hit up the altar I converted and finally trek on to the quest 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1734 points, T:2921, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:29 Horse problem??/ 17:29 <@Umby> yeah, came down with a brutal case of ded 17:30 !who 17:30 bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh363] hothraxxa [tnnt] luxor [slshm] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] galadriel [nh363] rsa [nh363] AlbertB [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:30 Which one are you? 17:30 Are you a knight? 17:30 <@Umby> as established earlier, currently playing on my phone 17:30 <@Umby> and yes, am a knight 17:31 <@Umby> third robe this game, the hell 17:34 <@Umby> why 17:34 <@Umby> the fuck 17:34 <@Umby> do I always get shock res first 17:34 <@Umby> every time I eat something blobby 17:35 Shockis best res 17:35 <{Demo}2> poison is :P 17:38 yeah but shock can be hard to get. not bad to get it early at all 17:38 <{Demo}2> yeah 17:39 <{Demo}2> red nagas are mean, so are fire ants 17:39 <{Demo}2> winter wolves and cubs are mean as well 17:39 again why i love playing monk. u have them all by 15 17:39 <{Demo}2> grid bugs aren't mean but gnomes that "find" wands of lightning on the ground are 17:39 <{Demo}2> theres less mean shocky stuff early on 17:39 for sure 17:39 <{Demo}2> probably the most mean cold stuff 17:39 <{Demo}2> ice vortex append 17:40 energy vortices are the worst. ugh 17:40 <{Demo}2> oh yeah true those guys bleh 17:40 even when you have the resistance i think they can still destroy rings etc after you get expelled 17:40 there's a roll 17:40 i've had to poly for rings like way late in the game because of it 17:42 oh i forgot i had all these pets. Maybe i'll keep building this little gang 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:46606 17:44 <@Umby> like I said I absolutely hate energy swirls 17:44 <@Umby> and I don't mind having it 17:44 <@Umby> but it's literally the first thing I get from blobby corpses 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had an elven helm entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:8439 17:45 u still need magicbane, bro? 17:45 I do 17:45 Still got a +2 Sting 17:45 just cleared the mines 17:45 I might wish for it later 17:49 ooooh bones level with Pseudodragon 17:50 man, i need detect treasure because i am just skipping these gehennom fill levels 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:21321 17:50 i would love to find bones too.. That would be awesome. 17:50 more people need to play evilhack!!! lol 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:21578 17:54 yeah it's probably not a bad wish if you still don't have it by castle (and there are any charges left on the wand ) 17:54 <@Umby> some prayer :p 17:54 what is this uncursed plugin madness? :-( 18:00 Evilhack is too evil for me. Otherwise I would be leaving bones like a boss. 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2701 18:14 bouquet: you should toally play... You're waaaaaay better at nh than me and i do ok now 18:14 and yes, we want the bones ;) 18:14 well, schucks, thanks! 18:15 being a good player doesn't mean you'll tolerate a variant's BS though 18:15 haha .. i guess there's some truth to tha t 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:74267 18:15 bouquet: want to join clan TNNT for the tournament? 18:17 even if you're not sure how much you'll be able to play... in fact, i think it's a requisite 18:17 yes, no one in this clan is sure how much they'll be able to play 18:19 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:20 k2: wands of death can only be charged once now? I feel like i read that somewhere 18:21 yes 18:21 cool cool 18:21 tx 18:21 o/ 18:21 at least wands tell you how many times they've been charged. I wish spellbooks were like that 18:21 Any libuncursed pros know how to hide the cursor? 18:25 i usually polypile dupicate spellbooks, but now that it looks like i might have a long game i'm just keeping the copies... i need det treasure and wiz lock kind of badly tho 18:25 i can't remember last time i've had spellbooks go faint from reading in vanilla 18:26 the other thing i thought about doing is let's say you're going to altar camp for 100,000 turns... just don't relearn the spells until your done camping. That had never even occured to me before 18:29 and i know i know... #name spellbooks and i do that. but in 3.6 you really don't have to name with turncount because it tells you how long til you are going to forget 18:29 so i kinda got out of the habit of it 18:31 Here's a question. Will Orcus still gate in Demo, even though he already exists in his own lair? or I guess he doesn't actually exist yet because I haven't been there? 18:31 (i think i answered my own question ) 18:32 Orcus and Vlad upstair same level... I love when that happens in vanilla (use same rubber chicken on both lol) 18:36 aosdict: I'd love to! I'm sure Amy will be disappointed that I'm bailing on her after all these years but whevs 18:37 le gasp 18:37 lets face it, she casts a pretty wide net if she's sending invites to me :) 18:38 rebatela: orcus will gate in demo in eh 18:39 hasn't happened to me but some asshole invoked yeenoghu, so having a lair doesn't prevent it 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] machinespray (Val Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:6314 18:40 -!- kimeemaru2 has joined #hardfought 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47060 18:41 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:41 no he won't ;) 18:41 but ty, yeah i figured it out when i thought about it 18:42 yeah yenoghu is one level down from orcus/vlad.. i levelported there so i could go up the stairs to orcus. whooops 18:42 he's next tho i guess 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:47334 18:51 aaaahh dude 18:51 cool 18:52 you're flying 18:54 ah man, I just realized... 18:54 i need more of those cursed invisibility potions. that's a great trick 18:54 I should have been taming all of these Pseudodragons from bones files 18:54 I'd be having like 3 ancient pets 18:55 bouquet: invited 18:55 my pseudodragons always die 18:55 once they grow up, they're beefy 18:55 I think it helps to leash em 18:56 ahh i see.. yeah i just mean the ones i find 18:56 a candied pit fiend egg - lol whats this? 18:56 LOL!!! 18:56 it's a long story that isn't embarrasing to anyone here. don't worry about it 18:56 hahaha 18:56 I <3 k2 18:57 <@Umby> yeah, you don't wanna hear that story 18:57 <@Umby> it's the pits 18:57 :: rimshot :: 18:57 Sounds like an eggcellent story 18:57 heh 18:57 Let's crack open a beer and hear it 18:57 AntiVirus: are you using k2's rc file 18:57 there's two of them here 18:57 Did you hatch some wicked scheme? 18:57 indeed 18:58 is there something in there that does this? 18:58 it's his fruitname 18:58 raspberry if ruit 18:58 *fruit 18:58 but there must be another one one sec 18:58 although the fruit is "pit fiend egg", not "candied pit fiend egg" 18:59 no i'm a moron and was casting stone to flesh and polypile for a long long time and ended up with like 30 pit viper eggs. BUT earlier in the game i had encountered a pit fiend from a poly trap and got the 2 confused 18:59 What's the "standard" level size in nethack? 18:59 70x30 or something? 18:59 <{Demo}2> I'm a fruit 18:59 it will never be as funny as it was to everyone that night as i cried myself to sleep 18:59 74x20 (except for some levels that are 21) 18:59 or is it 78x20 18:59 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 18:59 they shamed me off of freenode 19:00 Ah smaller than expected 19:00 AAH! 19:00 And yes, I hear that a lot. 19:00 <@malor> !who 19:00 This is a K2 bones file 19:00 @malor: [hdf-us] JohnKeel [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] Flan99 [dnh] rebatela [evil] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] sethur [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 19:00 Someone with artistic skills draw a pit fiend struggling to lay an egg while Orcus acts as the obstetrician and Asmodeus comforts the fiend from the bedside. 19:00 what a loser! imagine confusing pit viper with pit fiend!! etc. 19:00 bouquet: no 19:00 how did you find a pit fiend egg though?? See??? I KNEW I was right all along 19:01 You hit k2's ghost. 19:01 oh i see lol 19:01 and of course he died in a shop... 19:01 probably to one of his mutant mimics 19:01 ehhh kill the shopkeeper when you can 19:01 i renamed my fruit to be 'pit fiend egg' for evilhack 19:01 oh nice 19:01 i get it... that's awesome :) 19:01 :P 19:02 yup - You read: "k2, killed by a giant mimic". 19:02 heheh an illithid corpse (for sale, 7 zorkmids) 19:03 i keep forgetting you're an illithid. is it fun? 19:03 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:03 and you found that wand.. that's nuts dude 19:03 yeah I love it 19:03 Illithid's brain attack has gotten me out of so much trouble 19:04 wonder if i can tame this balrog 19:04 and also, I strap on a bunch of armor in the first couple thousand turns because I still have psionic blast 19:04 and then slowly replace it with caster friendly materials 19:04 and at level 12 I get flying intrisic 19:05 oh that's awesome 19:05 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:05 so those two things combined let me survive combat 19:05 unlike with humans, I'm always running for cover at the beginning 19:06 Shopkeeper, one bouncing bolt of fire - BOOOM roasted! 19:07 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 19:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 19:08 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 19:10 a lot of times i will polymorph the shopkeeper, then kill them and u don't get murder for killing a peaceful 19:10 ah, yeah he's a hobbit, and I'm chaotic 19:10 doesn't always work by any means though lol 19:11 oh.. just kill him then ? lol 19:11 yup 19:11 I prettymuch just kill indiscriminately 19:11 yeah.. i never play chaotic, but if you do that's the tradeoff. you don't have to feel guilty about stuff like that 19:12 yup 19:14 3 tins of spinach in that shop 19:14 AND +3 ring of gain strength from K2 19:14 XD 19:15 i might actually be able to do this sub 60k... need to do some alchemy and kill vlad 19:16 what's your plan for Vlad? 19:16 <@Umby> oh wow 19:16 <@Umby> found hearse bones of someone with DSM 19:16 <@Umby> please don't be cursed 19:17 <@Umby> (it's probably cursed 19:17 <@Umby> gnomish wizard looks like 19:18 80% chance it is cursed... 19:18 Put it on anyway 19:18 who cares if you're never gonna take it off? 19:18 yeah.. sometimes when i find speed boots or something in bones, i totally put it on 19:18 if I found cursed DSM, I would just slap that on 19:19 if I didn't have any already. Put on t-shirt, then DSM and forget about it 19:19 <@Umby> I can uncurse it anyway 19:19 yup 19:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Clk Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2502 19:20 <@Umby> +3 19:20 <@Umby> sweet 19:20 what kind of DSM? 19:20 <@Umby> silver 19:20 <@Umby> super redundant I know 19:20 perfecto, it's like you got a wish 19:20 did you already have reflection? 19:20 <@Umby> mhm 19:20 <@Umby> amulet in shop 19:20 k 19:21 well, you got a free amulet slot 19:21 <@Umby> would've preferred gray to supplement amulet/backup for knight quest arti 19:21 ah 19:21 <@Umby> yeah but no other amulets ID'd yet 19:21 <@Umby> besides strangulation via scroll 19:21 i wish i had another one of those insivibile potions... i'm on dispaters level and want to wake him up, but i feel like if i go down a level i'll end up on demogorgon's lair 19:21 <@Umby> bag on the grave isn't holding, still tempted to uncurse it 19:21 there's gotta be some trick to wake him up 19:22 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 19:23 Kick a door 19:23 Or blow a whistle/bugle 19:23 Not sure if throwing a pot against a wall is noisy, but it should be! 19:25 What is this, "a smoky violet faceless robe?" 19:27 <@Umby> probably some eldritch being in disguise 19:27 <@Umby> :B 19:27 Knowing Chris's depravity yes. 19:27 <@Umby> as an aside, this gnome has a gray stone, probably a luckstone that got hecked 19:27 <@Umby> no way to confirm as of yet though 19:27 i blew tooled horn and all my pets ran away... it didn't wake dispater up though 19:27 <@Umby> gonna look in the bag of not-holding they left behind 19:27 it's ok... i eye'd out of there with a wraith and gain a level 19:30 forgot to forget a spell. d'oh.. it's ok. i can use cursed confusion scrolls on planes 19:31 that's a sign of a lucky game though if you haven't learned a garbage spell lol 19:31 Umby do you know about kicking stones? 19:33 <@Umby> mhm 19:33 <@Umby> I doubt it's a loadstone 19:34 <@Umby> also I'm baked, that bag was a bag of holding all along 19:34 I always kick tehm 19:34 <@Umby> just not hecked like it usually is 19:34 lol 19:35 <@Umby> lot more stuff to ID now 19:35 <@Umby> also hoping I find some horse food soon 19:36 <@Umby> ooh, solves that 19:36 How does "The Garnet Rod" interact with androids? 19:37 <@rikersan> you still still be stoned like normal 19:37 <@rikersan> *will still be 19:37 <@rikersan> other than that it works just like anybody else? 19:38 So it would give hp and energy regen 19:38 But since I have no nutrition it would be free healing? 19:38 <@rikersan> not sure, it's worth trying 19:38 Worth a wish though? 19:38 <@rikersan> it's probably not worth a wish though 19:38 <@rikersan> since I'm pretty sure regeneration rings work too? 19:39 +6 Sting 19:39 I thought someone said they explicitly didn't. 19:39 I hope you do find this rebatela 19:39 i play more cautiously when baking. it's the potions of booze that usually cause the yasd 19:39 Otherwise I guess just premium heart? 19:39 I have platinum scale mail 19:39 whoever finds these bones is going to be VERY happy 19:39 <@rikersan> no energy regen 19:39 oh you died? 19:39 <@rikersan> no hp regen 19:40 okey dokey premium heart 19:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Clk Fem Non) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:3641 19:40 <@rikersan> lol 19:40 nah 19:40 just saying 19:40 <@rikersan> why premium heart? 19:40 ahh i see 19:40 25 dex 19:40 and 25 str 19:40 What else would I wish for? the t-shirt maybe? 19:40 <@Umby> I'm p. sure it was a luckstone on those bones 19:40 None of the weapons are as good as analus 19:40 anulas 19:40 anulus 19:40 whatever 19:40 <@rikersan> you do realize you cap at 22 dex lol 19:40 <@Umby> because they were p close to Mines End stairs 19:40 are you trying to spell anus? 19:41 <@rikersan> annulus 19:41 IC 19:41 it's crazy how rare enchant armor potions seem huh? 19:41 scrolls 19:41 duh 19:41 very rare 19:41 K2 had a feww 19:41 heh. no im looking at your game finally 19:41 Right so it's +3 dex 19:41 But seriously what else would I wish for? 19:42 that was my first arti wish 19:42 <@rikersan> dragonhide cloak of protection :p but ah ok 19:42 I'll probably use the mantle of wrath 19:42 <@rikersan> ... why? 19:42 Though I guess I already have fire res 19:42 I'm used to not having innate fire res! 19:42 i can view games with ibm graphics unless i use the web client. took me forever to figure that out 19:42 oh wow.. 19:42 the luck 19:42 cant* 19:42 <@rikersan> it's an orcish cloak that you can get to +7 19:42 <@rikersan> that grants acid resistance, basically 19:42 oh nice yeah the web client would help 19:43 you need a weapon for sure 19:43 Yeah 19:43 So it's not far of cloak of prot 19:43 i would keep sacrificing. i have no idea how it works, if you are still supposed to be a favorite for magicbane because you're a wizard 19:43 ? 19:43 And acid res isn't awful 19:43 yeah I have the spell 19:43 see? 19:43 but after a while it will get harder and harder to get an artifact at all including wishing 19:44 ooh nightmare 19:44 so depending on how many artifacts have been created it might just be better to wish 19:44 you don't want to be wielding sting the whole game 19:44 hmm, saccing a nightmare? 19:44 wise or unwise 19:44 no idea at all 19:44 hmmm... playing it safe, I'm not trying it 19:45 just talking about your weapon 19:45 oh yeah dude I need to ditch this Sting for sure 19:45 thug life innit rikersan, I really didn't know what to wish for there (and it was a random wish out of a potion) 19:45 learn Elbereth and get MB 19:45 I have 2 candles of invoc on me 19:45 <@Umby> had to pick up gray stone against a wall 19:45 <@Umby> thankfully not cursed 19:45 <@Umby> was prepped if it was 19:45 i don't think elebereth is going to help you from anything you'd have a problem with 19:46 i'm very anti-elbereth though so don't listen to me 19:46 you know...nightmare is not a unicorn...iz it? 19:46 <@Umby> and as I say that I kill a gnome and find another 19:46 no it's like a horse. you can totally sac them, eat them etc 19:46 <@Umby> oh, also not a load 19:46 I think so, in D&D its neutral evil 19:46 yep, fine 19:47 <@Umby> yeah, no loadstones so far but no idea which is actual luckstone 19:47 wishing might be out of the question anyway... you have dragonbane, sting, any other artifacts? 19:47 <@rikersan> they do not count as unicorns anti, rebatela 19:48 <@rikersan> code looks like it checks is_unicorn, which checks S_UNICORN for things that like gems (M2_JEWELS) which nightmares / lesser nightmares do not have 19:48 i know 19:48 i was telling him i eat them, sac them etc. they aren't unicorns in the least. it's like a pony or whatever 19:49 yeah it was totaly safe 19:49 do you still get magicbane as your first ARTIFACT gift as a wizard? 19:49 no no no 19:49 you can get anything 19:49 so you've gotten artifacts? 19:49 oh? ARTIFACT GIFT? 19:49 yes 19:49 no I have not yet 19:50 it might still be the first one 19:50 I should just keep saccing 19:50 since you're a wizard 19:50 yeah, because it's not even a guaranteed wish anymore anyway (dragonbane, sting) 19:50 "Grants +1d5 to-hit and 2x damage +2d6 19:51 it's probably still the first arti gift you'll get... 19:51 Does that mean it only doubles the base d6/d4 +ench damage, then adds on 2d6 after? 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:22981 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a silver spellbook given to him by Anhur, on T:10149 19:53 oooh magic mapping 19:53 <@Umby> there was a third bag of holding on the level where the player gnome wizard dies 19:53 <@Umby> died* 19:54 <@Umby> what a meme 19:54 alright, later folks 19:54 yeah I agree with you rebatela, I should just sac until I get it 19:54 too many artifacts in play 19:55 seeya anti 19:55 peace 19:55 yep, cya later on dudes 19:55 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56 <@Umby> later 20:00 <@Umby> blessed lamp 20:00 <@Umby> not sure if magic 20:00 <@rikersan> try rubbing it? >__> 20:01 <@Umby> that was the implication 20:01 <@Umby> :B 20:01 <@Umby> be patient lol 20:01 <@Umby> I'm busy curse testing the haul from Mines 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5417 20:04 <@Umby> gold book is blessed 20:04 PRAISE BE 20:04 <@Umby> force bolt 20:04 <@Umby> decent 20:07 <@Umby> price testing says the blessed lamp isn't magic 20:08 <@Umby> the other lamp from that bag, however... 20:09 <@Umby> whew, Izchak had a giant mimic problem 20:09 seee... the problem is i want to watch your game, umby.... 20:09 <@Umby> now the question of what to wish for 20:10 i'm going to start a gofundme to get you a keyboard 20:10 <@Umby> this is mid game, I have SDSM from raiding bones 20:10 <@Umby> I'll probably start going to the computer lab when time allows 20:10 <@Umby> it's a bit of a ways from here, though 20:11 tnnt is very fun. custom content etc. 20:11 <@Umby> and I might have some time to actually do it after this week 20:11 <@Umby> depends though 20:11 <@Umby> more pressingly, wish 20:11 <@Umby> lawful knight, xl11 with SDSM from bones, v. early 'oR 20:11 <@Umby> "oR, even 20:11 <@Umby> obvious choice seems like Gray but 20:11 <@Umby> hmmm 20:12 are you playing 3.6x? 20:12 you get MR from the mirror right? 20:12 but rodney can steal 20:12 <@Umby> yeah 20:12 <@Umby> so I want a backup 20:13 i take my chances with that... and sometimes it backfires , and it's terrible when it does 20:13 <@Umby> hence considering something like the Sceptre of Might 20:13 <@Umby> it's between that and Gray right now 20:13 <@luxidream> pretty bad considering it only provides MR when wielded and can still be stolen 20:13 <@rikersan> it's not nearly as good dps wise I think 20:14 <@luxidream> it used to be the premier speedrunning MR item 20:14 <@rikersan> pretty sure the sceptre is best for priests, who can get exp? 20:14 <@Umby> yeah... 20:14 I take my chances with eyes though (either one) because neither takes an armor slot 20:14 <@Umby> orb of detection is stupi heavy for its MR 20:14 PYEC is the best. but it really sucks when he steals that... 20:14 <@luxidream> just get comr and call it a day 20:15 <@Umby> was gonna say I could go for that 20:15 i'm guessing he wants to wear robe? 20:15 <@Umby> or Gray 20:15 <@rikersan> the big brain strat is to wield a cursed sceptre of might :) can't steal that one big boy 20:15 you have to be kidding me, game 20:15 <@Umby> and save the other for a wand of wishing 20:15 <@Umby> and yeah, kinda committed to the robe 20:15 I am running for my life to Minetown's altar, open the door, and there are five killer bees inside 20:15 <@Umby> well, "committed" 20:15 welcome to my world 20:16 <@Umby> 🐝 NOT THE BEES 🐝 20:16 i can't give it up. i'm about to wish for a dragonhide one 20:16 plus you get MC+2 20:16 <@Umby> alright so 20:16 cloak of MR kinda sucks these days 20:16 <@Umby> only metal I have is small shield and dwarvish helm 20:17 <@Umby> (and that's only because no replacements as of yet) 20:17 soooo. the game makes you decide whether to take the risk with relying on the artifact.. I like it 20:17 <@Umby> so I think I might play safe and spring for cloak now 20:17 <@Umby> should still be able to cast my little force bolts :B 20:17 <@Umby> def. see about Gray later once I find and train up saber 20:17 <@luxidream> any shield will increase spell failure 20:18 <@luxidream> just small shields do it less 20:18 rikersan so can you recommend a second arti wish for me? 20:18 <@Umby> exactly 20:18 <@Umby> and I can take it off easily 20:18 yeah... i'm wearing small shield and robe and can cast anything... if i wield this staff of matter i can cast poly at 3% fail. that's pretty good 20:18 <@Umby> and the only other thing is the easily replaced dwarven helm 20:18 <@Umby> oh you mean reba 20:18 <@Umby> my b 20:19 i think i could cast robeless at this point if i dropped the small shield tho 20:19 <@Umby> I think it's basically unanimous one blessed greased fixed +2 coMR 20:20 I can really only think of the t-shirt 20:20 <@rikersan> don't do t-shirt 20:20 <@rikersan> are you neutral? soulmirror may not be an awful choice 20:21 what game are you playing dnh? 20:21 I have platinum dragon scale mail 20:21 dnh yeah 20:21 <@rikersan> oh true 20:21 sweet 20:21 <@Umby> shit, came out +0 20:21 quicksilver lol? 20:21 <@rikersan> helping hand or arkenstone 20:21 i'm going to be bugging that crap out of you guys with questions tomorrow when I start playing dnethack (I'm ascending evhilhack tonight) 20:21 <@rikersan> no lmao 20:21 <@rikersan> speed boots or flying boots, I generally go flying + alacrity ring 20:22 I have flying boots already 20:22 <@Umby> oh well, time to find an elven hat 20:22 none of that is true.... but i do plan to start playing it 20:22 Don't need to wish for an arti on this wish (it's from a throne) 20:22 <@rikersan> magic marker. 20:22 <@rikersan> :p 20:22 True fact 20:22 I am not sure I even know what enchant armor is yet \o/ 20:22 <@rikersan> better start scrounging 20:22 the good thing is that riker, malor etc. are always here. I'm sure you guys will be helpful 20:22 lame, 0:39 20:22 <@rikersan> i'm an idiot do not trust me 20:22 <@rikersan> F 20:22 lolol 20:23 Sat on the throne 20:23 got another wish 20:23 oh that's the best 20:23 <@rikersan> nice 20:23 <@rikersan> more magic marker? :p 20:23 makes up for all those vanish in a puff of logics 20:23 Tempted by ring of aclarity 20:23 I have 2 candles AND the ring still 20:23 <@rikersan> what chaos do you have? 20:23 <@rikersan> jesus 20:23 So I don't care about burning wishes 20:23 <@rikersan> hm 20:23 Just the chaos orb 20:23 But I get mres from the armor anyway 20:24 <@rikersan> black crystal? 20:24 yeah 20:24 I can't pick up the other ones 20:24 i re-read hitchikers a few months ago (read it as a child) and had no idea that's where that reference came from... Laughed my ass off! 20:24 <@rikersan> .... did you kill the dudes? 20:24 Yeah 20:24 <@rikersan> lich the fiend of earth and co.? 20:24 Yeah 20:24 <@rikersan> what do you mean you can't pick them up 20:24 But the crystals are right at the start aren't they? 20:24 They "evade" my grasp 20:24 <@rikersan> yea 20:24 <@rikersan> you have to kill them first 20:24 AHHH 20:24 Ok gotcha 20:24 <@rikersan> each dude has to be killed before you can grab their orb 20:24 <@rikersan> lol 20:24 Assumed it was chaotic only! 20:24 <@rikersan> used to all be at the end and not do that, this is new 20:24 <@rikersan> nope 20:25 But they just grant elemental res? 20:25 Which the armor gives me anyway 20:25 <@rikersan> yep but also an AoE invoke 20:25 Ah true 20:25 <@rikersan> earth is worth carrying tho 20:25 <@rikersan> invoke is just an earth quake but it grants 1/2 phys dmg 20:25 Mmm tasty 20:25 Could go for lance of longinus for slotless drain? 20:25 <@rikersan> black arrow is never a bad wish 20:25 That's true 20:25 <@rikersan> no, go for helm of drain res instead probably 20:26 I always forget to use it though 20:26 <@rikersan> lol 20:26 Yeah screw it will go for helm now so I can life save already 20:26 <@rikersan> oh hell, I forgot about the helm of OA meme 20:26 Aww, no third wish 20:26 <@rikersan> RIP 20:26 meh 20:26 I hate that 20:26 <@rikersan> why? lol 20:26 The quest is going to kill me anyway! 20:26 <@rikersan> genocide is stupid funny 20:27 I may pop into gehennom now to see if he is around 20:27 <@rikersan> not unless you try to melee the crucified androids 20:27 <@rikersan> (do not do this) 20:27 Are they the changed clerics? 20:27 <@rikersan> (it's a stupid idea) 20:27 That's the thing that killed melast time 20:27 <@rikersan> no, the crucified androids 20:27 <@rikersan> not the clairvoyant changed, you shouldn't fight her at all 20:27 Ok 20:27 <@rikersan> like, she has literally -127 ac what do you expect 20:27 <@rikersan> the ways to kill her are: drawbridge, black arrow :p 20:28 I guess asmo AC isn't really -100 20:28 And that tricks me into thinking I can hit things 20:28 <@rikersan> it's randomized -99 20:28 <@rikersan> but no hers is just literally -127 you can't hit her unless you spam the everloving hell out of inc acc maybe? 20:28 <@rikersan> not sure how that work 20:29 got the staff again though so good times 20:29 12 mirrors 20:29 <@rikersan> that's so stupid lmao 20:29 <@rikersan> probably better than the annulus too? not sure 20:30 Difficult to say, it does like triple silver damage or something stupid versus demons 20:30 quadruple? 20:30 Not sure 20:30 <@rikersan> d3 d20 20:30 <@rikersan> i.e. 1/3 of 1d20, 1/3 2d20, 1/3 3d20 20:31 Ah ok 20:31 <@rikersan> it also does (d3)d4 blessed damage if it's blessed :p (and (d3)d9 if cursed) 20:31 I don't really understand how to calc the damage 20:31 Base is 2x d6+ench 20:31 So 2d6+14 20:31 and then it hits twice 20:31 And adds 2d6 on 20:31 So 2(2d6+14 + 2d6)? 20:31 <@rikersan> which is in total, 6d6 + 28 + (2d3)d20 20:31 <@Umby> gonna stop in sokoban to load up on luck 20:31 <@Umby> and then pause for now 20:32 <@rikersan> hm, not sure wherer the 2d6 is applied 20:32 And refl and displacement 20:32 The pokedex implies it's after the 2x 20:32 But not sure 20:32 I think Chris was saying it's the best weapon in the game 20:32 <@rikersan> oh it's just 3x 20:33 <@rikersan> yeah it's actually just a 3x weapon lol 20:33 But with an extra 2d6? 20:33 <@rikersan> but it's 1d6 extra physical damage I think 20:33 <@rikersan> so that totals to 3x (2d6) = 6d6 20:33 But then it hits twice right? 20:33 <@rikersan> yes 20:33 So it's 12d6? 20:33 <@rikersan> lemme break it down better 20:34 +21 x 2? 20:34 sorry, go ahead! 20:34 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2939 points, T:5077, killed by a little dog 20:34 <@rikersan> on each attack, it deals 6d6 + 2x enchantment + (d3)d20 silver damage + (d3)d4 holy / (d3)d9 unholy damage 20:34 <@rikersan> (it does NOT add the enchantment a third time, only twice) 20:35 <@rikersan> actually it doesn't even add the enchantment more than once? 20:38 Why is the mind flayer carrying gnome eyeballs? 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:24677 20:38 <@rikersan> bubbles: he picked them off a changed probably 20:41 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 20:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:75081 20:42 What keeps making me hallucinate? 20:42 <@rikersan> elder brains 20:42 Also I'm at 3/3/3 int/wis/cha 20:42 :'( 20:42 <@rikersan> oh jesus what did you do 20:42 <@rikersan> get stat drained by stuff a bunch? 20:43 Yeah 20:43 <@rikersan> sustain ability OP 20:44 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 20:44 Can they hallu me from anywhere ont he map? 20:44 <@rikersan> yep! 20:44 <@rikersan> you should not be killing things here 20:45 <@rikersan> you should be sprinting to goal, quaffing det obj & grabbing the annulus, and sprinting out 20:45 Ah 20:45 As !android is it different? 20:45 <@rikersan> nope 20:45 <@rikersan> except their home has good loot 20:45 Ahhhh 20:45 <@rikersan> you may want to try killing a couple of the parasitized androids until you find a bodyglove 20:45 So my home doesn't? 20:45 <@rikersan> nope 20:46 <@rikersan> it has the clairvoyant changed & and elder brain where Sara, the Last Oracle should be 20:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master lich), on T:24883 20:47 Oh 20:47 I thought I was still supposed to go there to loot stuff :x 20:47 <@rikersan> nope 20:47 <@rikersan> not for androids, no wonder you got KO'd by the clair 20:47 <@rikersan> actually headcanon: her name is now claire 20:48 Is an undamaged semblence an elder brain? 20:49 <@rikersan> no 20:49 <@rikersan> elder brains are called elder brains 20:49 <@rikersan> they are much worse 20:49 <@rikersan> do NOT try to fight them, or even get in their LoS 20:49 Ok 20:49 <@rikersan> they're big Us 20:49 I'm trying not to 20:49 But I can't see anything 20:49 I should get warned of them? 20:49 <@rikersan> there's one in the center of the lower filler levels tho 20:49 <@rikersan> probably? 20:50 <@rikersan> do you have any wands of death? 20:50 <@rikersan> normally I save some for elder brains, they're vulnerable to that 20:51 I am just on the first level down from the hmoe 20:51 and I keep getting halu 20:51 <@rikersan> yeah that's probably semblances not sure 20:51 <@rikersan> just keep moving 20:51 No /death 20:52 <@rikersan> hm, just try to stay not confused you can throw your stuff at the elder brains from range 20:52 <@rikersan> not sure if confusion makes androids not catch stuff 20:52 It does 20:52 And so does hallu 20:52 <@rikersan> welp just keep moving 20:52 <@rikersan> lol 20:52 I get hallu from everywhere 20:53 <@rikersan> if you do'nt have a reliable means of curing hallu in time to throw, leave and come back later 20:53 <@rikersan> this is why genocide is important 20:53 <@rikersan> (the weapon) 20:56 So basically screw this I#m going to helll 20:56 <@rikersan> probably 20:57 <@rikersan> i'm telling you - genocide makes that quest SO much easier lol 20:57 Not found a single unicorn 20:57 FINE 20:57 But I'll hve to kill him myself 20:57 <@rikersan> :p 20:58 <@rikersan> i'ts lawful you'll need helm of OA 20:58 medusa already dead 20:58 Oh 20:58 Meh 20:58 <@rikersan> check the law shks? 20:58 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Clk Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:10912 21:01 Nothing useful there 21:01 Just figurines 21:01 [hdf-us] [gh] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1676 points, T:3190, killed by a leprechaun 21:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 1269 points, T:3020, poisoned by an orcish arrow 21:03 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 21:04 AN UNICORN HORN! 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:75343 21:04 Just lying here in geheneom 21:05 <@rikersan> that's sus 21:05 <@rikersan> but ok 21:05 <@rikersan> also you do know that chaos1 has nighthorn always right 21:06 Also what is the purple faceless robe?> 21:06 She ran away and I couldn't chase 21:07 <@rikersan> just run faster lmao 21:07 <@rikersan> :p 21:07 <@rikersan> and purple faceless robes are probably still broken don't bother 21:07 <@rikersan> and you mean smoky violet right 21:07 <@rikersan> it should add +enc to con/cha but it may crash when worn unless you're wearing a helmet 21:10 Of course 21:10 Okey dokey 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a floating eye, on T:8625 21:16 Oh cool the maurauder's map 21:17 note to self, chameleon meat is not lizard meat 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 739 points, T:1406, killed by a copper crossbow bolt 21:26 ichbinmiah: oh i've made that mistake before lol 21:27 oh cuss 21:27 graazt 21:27 <{Demo}2> gross 21:28 Well I am probs dead here 21:28 Hbris 21:28 Also I got mad after the quest smashed my stats 21:28 I hate andorids! 21:28 androids 21:29 I just want to be a binder for the rest of my days 21:29 And then the game crahsed 21:29 And I didn't recover it 21:29 ah well 21:30 nn all tomorrow Iw ill make a bubble card role 21:30 \o 21:30 <{Demo}2> bye 21:32 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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