00:00 right? 00:00 -!- jessek has quit [] 00:00 take caution when reading those spellbooks of role change... they may leave you at a lower XL than you deserve! 00:01 DL1 is a little crowded there, bouquet haha 00:01 I've always wanted to do this! https://i.imgur.com/PuyL4ar.png 00:01 it's slex 00:01 why 00:02 there it is with detect monsters so the mindless ones show up 00:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2898 points, T:1706, killed by a gnome 00:02 very cool 00:02 back to VoD to read my spellbooks 00:03 better: https://i.imgur.com/WN9R8fu.png 00:03 * aosdict aneurysm 00:06 those 22 scrolls of genocide are taunting me, but I'm going to work at this if it takes me until next tnnt 00:12 if there's no room for a monster to spawn on a level do they automatically drop down a level? 00:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11500 00:25 Depends. 00:25 What the fuck was that? 00:25 You died. But wait... 00:25 clairvoyant changed 00:25 -100 AC?? 00:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:11972 00:26 huh? 00:27 bubbles_nh: maybe this is related https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2733 00:28 :D 00:29 Can you escape? 00:30 I don't like it 00:31 I do not think so 00:32 I do not like them sam i am. I do not like clairvoyant changed and ham. 00:33 I am pretty sure she gonna kill me. 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:5296 00:33 All I can think of is which spirit would help me here ;_; 00:33 I have betrayed the void 00:34 unsurprising 00:34 Bed time! 00:34 Chris_ANG you are an evil person 00:36 <@rikersan> 127 ac 00:36 <@rikersan> you can't fight it 00:36 <@rikersan> lol 00:37 I tried to run 00:37 But she followed me 00:37 Well I have learned something today 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6326 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 10298 points, T:6811, killed by a gargoyle 00:54 What the heck's a clairvoyant changed? 00:54 <@Umby> Nothing important, in the grand scheme of things. 00:55 <@Umby> The real question at hand is, what've you changed? 00:55 <@Umby> :3 00:56 <@Umby> I actually do not know either, lol. 00:56 <@Umby> Sometimes I wonder about the encyclopedia entries for a lot of these variant-added creatures. 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] telegarn (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1247 points, T:2648, killed by a system shock 00:57 My gender. 00:58 That's what an amulet of change does, at least. 01:07 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:55826 01:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] jeremiahL (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:7858 01:57 <@malor> bubbles, did you turn on "emergency speed" when you tried to run from the clairvoyant changed? 01:57 <@malor> !lastgame bubbles 01:57 @malor: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571528397.dnh.txt 02:04 @d?clairvoyand changed 02:04 No such monster. 02:04 @d?clairvoyant changed 02:04 No such monster. 02:04 did I spell it right? 02:10 !tell ChrisE what's a clairvoyant changed? 02:10 I'm on it, bug_sniper. 02:10 I might have sent to the wrong name too 02:11 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 02:11 !variant 02:11 JonathanHanes: nh 02:11 !role 02:11 JonathanHanes: slash ranger 02:11 !race 02:11 JonathanHanes: sporkhack elf 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:505 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 80 points, T:229, killed by a sewer rat 02:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:51650 02:28 !who 02:28 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] Karnac [nh363] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 274 points, T:572, killed by a gnome lord 02:32 <@luxidream> !who 02:32 @luxidream: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] Karnac [nh363] malor [dnh] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:914, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 02:39 I wonder if clairvoyant changed are going to be nerfed as pets someday 02:41 <@luxidream> When the school year ends maybe :p 02:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 706 points, T:950, killed by a wand 03:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5872 03:06 <@rikersan> bug they're not good for pets 03:07 <@rikersan> sucky dps vs high level A and they turn traitor 03:07 <@rikersan> he doesn't want the pet he wants the double damage lightsaber they spawn with 03:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 889 points, T:2310, killed by an acid blob 03:14 <@malor> bugsniper I did NOT find the treasure. Not sure what I did wrong? 03:15 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 03:28 [hdf-us] [nh4] Arolli (Val Dwa Fem Law), 29996 points, T:4279, killed by an orange dragon 03:30 !lg 03:30 !lastgame 03:30 luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arolli/nethack4/dumplog/2019-10-20%2007%3A28%3A51%2C%20Arolli-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/V/Vis/nethack/dumplog/1571554233.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/djm2000/nethack/dumplog/1571468773.nh.html 03:31 <@Umby> !lastgame Arolli 03:31 @Umby: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arolli/nethack4/dumplog/2019-10-20%2007%3A28%3A51%2C%20Arolli-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arolli/nethack4/dumplog/2019-10-19%2006%3A18%3A46%2C%20Arolli-Kni-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt 03:31 I'm too used to the DCSS bot 03:32 <@Umby> So was it a bones or... 03:32 well yeah 03:32 <@bugsniper> @malor even with marauders map? 03:32 doesn't look like he reverse genocided orange dragons 03:33 <@Umby> Obviously not 03:33 <@Umby> Just not the usual signs of bones 03:33 <@malor> I didn't attempt to use Marauders Map. I will try that now. 03:33 <@Umby> That I could readily tell 03:33 <@Umby> I also dunno if nh4 does a thing with trap generation 03:33 <@Umby> (mainly because idk anything about nh4) 03:34 NH4 is basically vanilla 03:34 there are a few changes but nothing that would matter here 03:35 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 03:36 <@bugsniper> and what's the name of that level? 03:36 <@malor> The Sunless Sea 03:37 <@malor> Marauder's Map showed a ton of items and I foolishly thought they would stay there after the invoke was done, but they all disappeared. So this may work. I'll try again and copy the screen after use. I need to wait for the invoke timeout to reset. 03:38 <@bugsniper> blessed magic mapping may help too 03:39 <@bugsniper> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Sea_(dNetHack) 03:41 <@malor> I have the Paradise Island variant it looks like. I will check it out once the M.Map resets. Thanks bugsniper! 03:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:55378 03:55 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:55409 04:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) was given Release from Care, on T:55884 04:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:13 Evil Patch idea: if you polymorph into a mindless creature, you can no longer control your character. Instead, the fuzzer plays the game automatically until you polymorph into something with a mind or your polymorph ends. 05:19 <@FIQ> having lycanthropy do that would be cool 05:19 <@FIQ> well, not the fuzzer 05:19 <@FIQ> but an AI 05:20 Yo FIQ! that dungeon overhaul proposal you've submitted, it's all-new, right? or did you publish it somewhere else earlier? 05:21 <@FIQ> @luxidream basically vanilla 3.4.3 05:21 <@FIQ> it's from a few years ago 05:23 oh, so I've probably read it already back then? 05:23 <@FIQ> maybe? 05:23 <@FIQ> there is no harm in rereading it 05:31 hmm somehow I don't remember quite a bunch of the stuff in there 05:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2747234 points, T:130544, green slime 05:32 such as the changes to the planes; the one for the plane of fire sounds vaguely similar but that's because ais had a similar suggestion in his proposal 05:32 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:33 I guess I'll have to go over your proposal and write comments then :D 05:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57833 05:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57838 05:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:57862 05:53 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:58066 05:53 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58071 05:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:58 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:00 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:05 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 06:07 go team ant! 06:09 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:10 <@Umby> STOP GIVING ME FUCKING ORC TOWN 06:10 <@Umby> This game hates knights, jesus 06:16 i bet you had apples in your rucksack when you started 06:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:26242 06:17 noooo 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:26654 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:26654 06:33 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:27535 06:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:58288 07:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:58533 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:58545 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:58615 07:20 K2: in your reddit post about public beta tnnt, you should mention where you can play it :P 07:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:58637 07:21 congrats oh6 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Cha), 2044158 points, T:58638, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1571249473.nh.html 07:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:26 grats oh6 07:28 <@Umby> GG. 07:36 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:46 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53 i guess it's medusa time... splatted last game there 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:28465 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:22276 08:04 belated congrats oh6 08:05 I was busy fighting a soldier who had picked up the soko amulet 08:05 so my sleep rays didn't hit him 08:06 <@Umby> How's evilhack Medusa work? 08:09 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11 umby: she has a stoning melee attack and is just way more powerful overall 08:11 if you end up next to her, you'll go through several lizard corpses 08:11 <@Umby> I want deets. 08:11 <@Umby> 👀 08:12 Medusa has been enhanced significantly, and is no longer an easy kill. She has a high chance of covering her eyes should her gaze be reflected back at her. Medusa's hit points and level have been increased, and she spawns wielding an enchanted orcish bow with a quiver full of enchanted and poisoned orcish arrows. The snakes on her head can attack (poisonous bite) and her own bite causes slow-stoning. Her gaze is still of the instant petrification type. 08:12 she's not THAT hard... but it's not a joke like vanilla 08:13 <@Umby> Huh™ 08:14 <@Umby> With all the statues in her domain, you'd think she could afford better than orcish. 08:14 yeah, it's the stoning attack that sucks not the arrows so much 08:14 <@Umby> I know. 08:15 <@Umby> Just the jaywalking to complement the murder and arson. 08:16 <@Umby> Also neat, this knight got a 1st sac gift that wasn't Sunsword for a change 08:16 Sunsword isn't bad though 08:16 <@Umby> It isn't 08:16 What did you get? 08:16 <@Umby> Just that I got something different this time 08:16 <@Umby> Snickersnee 08:16 Mm 08:16 I'd rather have Sunsword. 08:17 <@Umby> Snicker's solid enough to stop me dipping for Excalibur at least 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1430 points, T:2573, killed by an acidic glob 08:17 Yeah. 08:18 <@Umby> Ew, Dark Minetown 08:18 <@Umby> At least it's not orc-flooded like the last few games 08:20 are u still playing on your phone ? 08:20 <@Umby> Yes. 08:21 <@Umby> Trust me, you'll know when my situation changes. 08:21 <@Umby> ...lol monster statutes in Izchak's 08:22 <@Umby> That snake was genuinely unexpected though 08:22 <@Umby> Almost wasted me too 08:23 <@Umby> nice, the lamp I picked up on the way here was magic 08:29 I bought a blessed magic lamp from Izchak and immediately used it to wish for a BoH, and found another magic lamp on the level below minetown 08:29 which I'm using for light now 08:29 <@Umby> :GWloopyGok: 08:30 i'm 30k turns in and still no BoH 08:30 but i haven't wished for one because i know if i did i'd immediately find one 08:31 i do have some solid pets though... 2 shimmering dragons and a purple worm 08:32 not usually a big pet person, but i think i might build a small army this run 08:35 <@Umby> lol, shopkeep got hit with a sleeping potion a gnome tried to throw 08:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4762 08:38 lol, this zoo is full of garter snakes 08:38 and 1 xan and 1 dwarf king 08:38 <@Umby> probably got his leg broken by the stray visitor while feeding the snakes 08:39 <@Umby> I have a BoH but no means to bless just yet 08:42 <@Umby> bag of tricks, awesome 08:42 <@Umby> time to hit up the altar on fl5 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had an etched staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:30209 08:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5092 points, T:6115, killed by invisible Ms. Kinnegad; the shopkeeper 08:45 <@Umby> Just because that gnome got away with it doesn't mean you can 08:46 staff of matter. sweet! makes casting poly easier 08:46 <@Umby> That all it does? 08:47 !tell malor of course I didn't, I'm an idiot, remember! :x 08:47 malor shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bubbles_nh. 08:48 all it does? well it was +5 so i'm assuming it's also a weapon, but yeah casting poly went from like 83% fail to 33% fail or something 08:49 yeah that's exactly it 83 to 33. that's huge lol 08:49 i'll be casting it at 0% when i level up but not there yet 08:54 <@Umby> Nice 08:55 hey it makes knock easier to cast too you know 08:55 <@Umby> and the bag of tricks deposits fire ants 08:55 <@Umby> and I'm fucking dead. 08:56 <@Umby> first step of my next game, trap door'd 08:56 <@Umby> a room away from upstair, thankfully 09:00 lol hothraxxa! you're right! i totally forgot about knock 09:01 i'm freaking paranoid of dragons in this game, so I've just been taming them. But I wish I wouldn't have to get next to the gray/black ones to do so 09:01 gray dragons don't resist magic missile do they ? 09:01 <@Umby> Aren't they just generally magic resistant? 09:05 not playing vanilla. I have no idea how things work in this game until i die and then someone tells me what i should have done 09:06 dragons engulf in EH first of all 09:06 gray dragons can cancel you 09:06 <@Umby> Oh jesus. 09:07 also magic missile is different in this game too. player MR doesn't block it, so like on astral those showers of missiles? they do real damage 09:07 yeah.. it's hard, but super fun 09:08 i was like steps away from the portal to astral and was suffocated by a water elemental... But now I know you need to wear magical breathing on the water plane lol 09:10 killed it with magic missiles :) 09:13 B - a scroll labeled PLZ RETURN TO DEVTEAM. 09:13 hmmm 09:13 yay! 09:14 I've got two, the third must be somewhere in a remote corridor 09:14 did you play last year hothraxxa? 09:14 did i play? dude, i'm on the dev team 09:15 heh.. well i dunno. I don't closely follow tournaments 09:15 not that i do much besides offer ideas 09:15 you said hmmmm so i thought maybe you didn't understand finding that scroll 09:15 nah, i know what to do with it 09:15 protect the sucker. i lost one last year to a fire trap 09:15 it's polyfodder 09:16 oh yeah.. i lost a couple last year too 09:16 morning 09:16 good morning 09:16 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 09:18 You hear a voice say "3.6.2". 09:18 hahah 09:18 must... fix... 09:19 well, they can still *say* that :-) 09:19 Medusa covers her eyes from her reflected gaze just in time! 09:19 :) 09:19 12 times in a row lol 09:20 Really attack the Lizard of Yendor? [yn] (n) n 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31068 09:21 whoa!! 09:21 grayswandir in the perseus statue 09:21 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 09:22 ooh! 09:22 wtf lol 09:22 that's a lot better than a sack or cursed lev boots 09:22 Unfortunately it wasn't reflective enough to save him. 09:22 any silver saber can randomly be grayswandir 09:22 actually got lev boots, shield reflection, and +2 blessed grayswandir 09:23 raisse: true... it's very rare though 09:23 ah I was going to warn you that it was probably cursed 09:23 I once had a watch captain wielding werebane 09:23 or an army captain, I think 09:24 yeah.. they have the sabers a lot 09:24 wow 09:25 never seen that happen before 09:25 initial inventory items of monsters can't be artifacts afaik 09:26 it was in the statue 09:26 they can for npc's 09:26 oh you're talking about raisse's story? 09:26 yes, player monsters often have artifacts 09:26 but captains and the like don't 09:27 i've found grayswandir on the ground once before when it probably should have just been a saber. Same thing must have happened with the persesus statue. just crazy good luck 09:27 CONTAINER:('`',"statue"),(36,10),uncursed,montype:"knight",3,name:"Perseus" { 09:27 items on the ground can be artifacts 09:27 npc statue 09:27 <@Umby> Random artifacts can spawn just laying on the ground so it's possible 09:27 <@Umby> Perseus is an NPC statue so very possible 09:27 including fixed items such as the long sword in Vlad's tower 09:28 <@Umby> Enemies outside of player monsters, idk 09:28 well... thats incredibily good luck rebatela 09:28 you're totally gonna die 09:28 :P 09:28 lol no kidding 09:29 so 1/40 general silver sabers will be grayswandir 09:29 the - to damage from unskilled is also multiplied by 2 09:29 i love martial arts in EH though... I almost don't want to use it, but i already broke weaponless by accident 09:31 i've been polymoprhing my enchant weapon scrolls lol. Was not planning on using a weapon 09:32 sucks though i already got crowned. so unless i get werebane as a gift i don't think i can train saber? 09:34 i know i've gotten basic with it vanilla but i'm assuming it happened from crowning 09:37 <@Umby> I know in vanilla holding x weapon when being crowned unrestricts that class and lets you advance it to Basic 09:38 i - a magic marker. 09:38 just lying on the floor 09:38 this never happens in my games 09:38 heh.. cuz you've been playing EH ;) 09:39 yeah 09:39 <@Umby> lol 09:39 i actually have 2 markers pre castle. that's pretty good 09:40 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 09:44 <@Umby> :GWloopyGok: 09:44 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 09:48 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 09:49 finally Boh 09:49 hi 09:49 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 09:49 <@Umby> yo 09:55 Fuck off pet 09:59 HMMM staff of twelve mirror 10:00 Not sure if I should use this over red eye 10:03 !tell Chris_ANG there is no pokedex for staff of twelve mirrors? 10:03 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bubbles_nh. 10:16 !who 10:16 K2: [hdf-us] Demo2 [dnh] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:18 jilles: [backscroll] The only case where a monster can be generated with an artifact is a lich with Magicbane. In all other cases I can see, artif=FALSE. 10:18 oh cock 10:18 I am such aqn idiont 10:27 would be nice to have an updated version of https://ethercalc.org/NHForks.html 10:27 with new variants 10:27 it lacks anything from the 3.6.x variant era 10:27 *everything 10:29 hmm 10:32 jonadab: what if NH4 changed floating eyes to, instead of what they do right now, give you 1 freebie with them? 10:32 basically, with the premise that NH4 does not want to change gameplay 10:32 make it so that the first hit paralyzes you only very briefly 10:33 with force-Tab 10:33 FIQ who maintains that website you linked? 10:33 and have the 2nd+ hit work like vanilla 10:33 K2: it's free for all 10:33 https://ethercalc.org/NHForks 10:34 ideally a safer means of storage should be used 10:36 free-for-all? where's my edit button? 10:36 !tell ais523 your "towards being able to ignore $TERM" implies that certain curses ACS_* aren't actually fully compatible. Is this correct? Current NetHack vanilla curses does, after some tweaks by me, use a slightly extended cursesgraphics designed to mimic IBMgraphics with the DECgraphics limitations. Is this problematic compatibility-wise? 10:36 I'm on it, FIQ. 10:37 aosdict: click on a cell 10:37 nothing happens 10:37 look at top left 10:37 this confused me too at first 10:38 blame shpingle :P 10:38 but I think you'll have a hard time reaching him nowdays 10:38 rumflump 10:38 nothing on the page in the top left except that first table 10:38 did you click my 2nd link 10:38 oh there we go 10:38 the first link is a read-only version 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:33056 10:39 * aosdict sort of wants to code or rearrange the variants by nh version 10:39 !tell ais523 it was done as part of making curses capable of handling DECgraphics (it could in theory but wasn't able to in practice) 10:39 I'm on it, FIQ. 10:39 aosdict: they're all basically 3.4.3 variants 10:39 SLASH'EM is technically earlier but it has all 3.4.3 features 10:40 so apart from the underlying code, it can effectively be treated as a 3.4.3 variant 10:41 pools are: {343 + 3.4.x variants}, {36x + 3.6.x variants}, {slashem/slex}, {nh4 and variants} 10:41 where is dynahack in this 10:41 it's technically a NitroHack variant, not a NetHack4 one 10:41 would put it under 3.4.x variants 10:41 that happens to have forced curses interface/etc 10:42 but it looks and acts mostly as a NetHack4 variant 10:42 as long as you don't get save problems 10:42 is that nhforks etherpad editable for anyone? 10:42 then you get to deal with the paragon of stability that is the NetHack 4.2 save system 10:42 which is a buggy extension of the fatally flawed NitroHack one 10:42 that trades the fatal flaw for more bugs 10:43 You finish eating the tengu corpse. You feel in control of yourself. 10:43 wooot 10:43 You feel centered in your personal space 10:43 heh 10:44 huh apparently it is indeed editable :) I took the liberty to add an X in the "dungeon overview" field for slex 10:44 I can't add columns to the right of dnh that keep the same style. oh well 10:45 once people are happy with it, it really should be copied to a more safe place 10:45 where people can't trivially ruin everything 10:46 "fixes for bad artis" is questionable as a category 10:46 that's not really a yes/no 10:46 I did not add it 10:46 I think rumflump added most QoL rows 10:47 aosdict: I agree, slex for example doesn't need to "fix" them, instead it adds many more artifacts, some of which are even less useful :D 10:50 who is editing at hyper speed? 10:51 idea: rather than "X" for the categories of countable new things, put the number instead 10:51 does spork really not have paranoid at all? 10:51 aosdict: that would probably be me 10:51 spork probably predates the era when paranoid patches were made 10:52 and yeah that sounds reasonable 10:54 heh, this really drives home some of the features that have widespread community consensus 10:55 jonadab: did 4k add anything besides shield, stealth, wands and armor skills? 10:59 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 11:01 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ TNNT 2019! Public BETA is now open, please report any bugs or issues 11:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 11:01 !ping 11:01 K2: Pong! 11:01 !who 11:01 K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] Bliss56 [tnnt] Everdying [evil] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 11:01 !whereis k2 11:01 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [tnnt]: (Pri Elf Mal Cha) T:7261 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 11:01 ok good 11:01 I think I'd consider ctrl+f just as major, if not moreso, than spell maintenance, but adding stuff only a single variant fulfills would be silly 11:02 am i crazy to go back to martial arts? I feel like that extra turn from grand master was doing better for me than grayswandir 11:02 tnnt livelogging or game deaths wont be reported here, but at least you can see who and whereis 11:02 i guess the silver will be nice in gehennom tho 11:02 ctrl+f as in complete object memory that is 11:03