00:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Fem Law) was given the Vampire Killer, on T:17988 00:02 <@riker> oooh 00:02 <@riker> this is a really good time for that 00:08 -!- AntiVirus48 has joined #hardfought 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Fem Law) was given the Blade Dancer's Dagger, on T:18951 00:14 -!- NCommander has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 00:18 wait 00:18 they improved orctown in vanilla? 00:18 I missed this 00:19 !who 00:19 K2: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] bouquet [nh363] spleen [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] malor [dnh] rikersan [dnh] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] 00:19 FIQ: Don't get excited. 00:20 what did they do 00:21 orcs can be found below orctown if it generates, and they carry some minor loot 00:21 also they have randomly generated individual and clan names 00:21 sounds like an improvement to me 00:21 depending on the loot 00:21 and how the orcs are generated 00:22 if it relies on the monster RNG to actually pick orcs 00:22 then it sounds rather dubious 00:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Fem Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:19553 00:25 <@riker> wow ok vampire killer is good 00:25 hmm 00:25 I find it somewhat puzzling that the vast majority of the maintained loot is food 00:25 feels like that's the one thing, if anything, that wouldn't generate 00:26 aosdict: and yeah I see what you mean 00:26 <@Umby> I think they also have wands and stuff as well 00:26 there is a few items retained 00:26 like... 10% at most 00:26 except for food 00:35 <@Umby> šŸ NOT THE BEES šŸ 00:36 <@riker> !ping 00:36 @riker: Pong! 00:37 <@riker> either beholder can't livelog or I messed up crowning livelogs ;/ 00:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased dragonhide filth-crusted bag of holding named "a cursed greased bag of tricks"", on T:23502 01:00 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 01:01 crap 01:01 I'm dead 01:01 terminal illness did me in again 01:01 OH wait 01:01 unicorn horn ;) 01:02 the one I traded ammy of life saving for 01:02 hehehe 01:02 hack on 01:05 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:12486 01:18 <@riker> hey malor did you get crowned yet? 01:18 <@riker> I didn't see any livelog and I'm wondering if behlder just didn't show it for me or for any law arc crowning 01:26 <@Umby> Knight died 01:26 <@Umby> Go team a 01:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:30 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:64733 01:31 whoah Grouchy 01:32 <@riker> what's evilhack demo? 01:32 <@malor> @riker no I haven't gotten crowned yet. 01:32 <@riker> lmk if you do/don't get the livelog when you do but aight thanks 01:33 <@malor> I am only level 13. 01:33 <@malor> I'll check when I go through it, assuming I don't die or something. 01:33 <@riker> evilhack demo isn't stoning res? lame k2 01:34 <@riker> :) 01:34 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 !who 01:49 bug_sniper: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-10-16 16:09 EDT: well, don't try to convert altars with negative alignment? ;) 01:49 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 helm of brilliance", on T:23522 02:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:23663 02:23 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9407 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] Vampire (Arc Dwa Mal Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:572 02:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Vampire (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1359 points, T:721, killed by a giant spider 02:45 !who 02:45 AntiVirus48: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 10060 points, T:9435, killed by a tiger 02:59 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 03:00 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:38 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:41 antivirus: is that a potionshop run by a rabid dog? lol 03:42 oh i guess the d is outside the shop.. nvm 03:42 haha 03:42 sorry I idled for a super long time 03:43 oh whoops... didn't mean to wake ya up 03:43 nah, I'm up 03:43 just about to go to sleep 03:48 man, that's annoying. i somehow must have hit a magic trap on dl2 and now can't go in this shop (invisible) 03:49 i guess if i go walk through it again it might toggle it back? 03:49 or there could be additional exciting effects 03:49 yeah... thats what i'm thinking.. not worth it 03:50 i know one of the effects in EH is toggling invisibility. But it's not like i have a mummy wrapping yet 04:06 -!- AntiVirus48 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 !who 04:07 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 04:14 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:19 -!- joes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:25 Finally 04:27 I do so little damage this is frustration 04:28 oh ffs 04:29 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 04:30 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:40 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:46 is the pen of the void some sick artifact you were shooting for ? 04:46 i do like all the dnh names for items that i see on here... never really played the game, but i'm intrigued 04:47 It's apparently the binder quest artifact. And pretty important for them. 04:57 Binder is the greatest role ever created <3 04:57 The pen is pretty nice indeed it's also our quest artifact 04:57 But pre-quest-completion it doesn't have all it special properties 05:01 (You don't get it by completing the quest either. You get it by starting the quest.) 05:15 oh i like that 05:15 so, you go through the portal, talk to quest leader and he gives you the artifact to do the quest? 05:16 'here, find this artifact' 05:16 ahh ok 05:16 'this is how it looks like!' 05:17 or so, idk 05:17 honestly this is why i put off playing variants for so long... i knew once i started i'd be hooked and now i can't wait to play all these games 05:17 i tried to get the most out of vanilla i could 05:17 dnethack is insanity 05:17 yeah i've played only a few times 05:17 there is so much unique content 05:18 seems like it just from the beholder messages and the little bit i've played 05:18 and there are definitely some solid players who seem to play it exclusively 05:19 although i'm not that good of a judge. i kinda suck and am in awe of most of y'all lol 05:24 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13215 06:20 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 06:20 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- stenno_ is now known as stennowork 06:21 i used to be a good variant player (i think #3 z-score overall?) but then i lost interest and some other players went berzerk 06:32 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:38 <@malor> You get the "pen of the void" from altar sacrifice as it is the "first gift" for Binders. I didn't know it was given when you start the quest as I had it prior to the start of the quest each of the times I received it. 06:42 <@malor> Binders are pretty weak initially unless you are lucky and you have "Buer" as one of your initial "Spirits" and then it is pretty easy to make it to the mid-game. 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:17278 06:47 Is that like wizards with healing? 06:47 or sleep? 06:48 <@malor> way better (assuming Andrio is asking me). Buer gives a very good melee attack and also hungerless-regeneration. And also has a "cure all power" and a "heal self" power. So you are able to beat anything other than extremely powerful rare spawns. 06:49 Ah :o 06:49 <@malor> The "cure all" is basically "unicorn horn" just to make sure I didn't make it sound too good :) Binder Powers can be used every 25 turns. 06:54 <@malor> dNethack is great. It is my favorite version that I have played enough to judge (really only Vanilla and dNethack). I want to try my hand at SLEX but there isn't enough documentation and I want 100% spoiled content as I am not a "puzzle guy", I am a "try to execute correctly guy". 06:56 Well, Slex is huge. 07:09 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 07:10 <@FIQ> Morning 07:10 hey? 07:10 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 07:11 everyone is discording nowadays 07:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Cyclops, on T:17659 07:11 but there are quite a few important freenode channels left for me before i would switch 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17668 07:21 I'm not quitting IRC either 07:22 morning morning 07:26 Hey K2 07:27 if only there was a similarly vibrant and competent forum for javascript 07:27 but there isn't 07:27 so freenode it is 07:28 for javascript? 07:28 yse 07:28 don't say 'reddit' 07:28 what do you mean exactly 07:28 is it supposed to be about javascript? 07:28 a large community of javascript experts 07:28 heh 07:29 in the ##javascript channel here on freenode there are like 1000 people 07:29 and there are TC39 members, node.js devteam members etc.. 07:29 wonder caffine powers activate! form of: IT sysadmin! 07:29 whatwg members 07:30 so really the absolute experts and you can just talk to them if you have a complex question 07:30 kinda like apple store 'geniuses' 07:30 like how many equality signs should be used 07:30 that is a beginners question 07:31 but sometimes they answer it too 07:31 can I ask about relationship advice? 07:31 K2, maybe, but all volunteers 07:31 or why my truck makes a weird 'klunk' sound when i turn left? 07:33 stennowork i need to know... and they're java experts. they know everything 07:33 hmpf 07:33 :P 07:33 let me just ignore this 07:33 lol 07:33 \o/ 07:33 ... DIRGE 07:34 i just find the question hard to answer because to be javascript expert sounds like an oxymoron 07:34 to me* 07:34 huh? 07:34 'military intelligence' 07:34 ^ oxymoron 07:34 :D 07:34 stennowork we're messing with you 07:35 in all honesty though i hope it will meet its end on a burning pile such as perl, php, actionscript, and hopefully joined by python one day 07:35 first of all, C has to die 07:35 that would be the most important thing 07:35 and then we can look if something decent survives 07:35 probably rust or os 07:36 c has witnessed the rise and fall of many langauges, especially those supposed to replace it 07:36 yet its still alive, with all its ancient, convoluted syntax and boilerplate 07:36 amazing 07:36 its like if javascript just stopped being developed 10 years ago 07:36 you mean its indisputed beauty and clarity 07:36 and you are left with some random shit 07:37 lol 07:37 once you reach the peak you don't need to irrationally mutate every half year and break existing code 07:37 or introduce new frameworks to workaround the language 07:37 <{Demo}2> javascript is man's ultimate fuck you to god 07:37 so what is the THE new and awesome coing language everyone should be using nowadays 07:37 asking for a friend 07:37 rust maybe 07:38 *coding 07:38 rust and javascript 07:38 <{Demo}2> go walk into a gay bar in san fran and ask 07:38 theyd def say javascript then 07:38 or i could just ask you {Demo}2 07:39 :P 07:39 kotlin is new hotness 07:39 rust is trespassing in c territory, where few languages live long 07:39 <{Demo}2> no, I'd give u a smartass answer like golang 07:39 kotlin 07:39 never heard of it 07:39 golang is cute 07:40 but i'm not a programmer so no surprise 07:40 kotlin is improved java if described in few words 07:40 though obviously with a few drawbacks 07:42 <{Demo}2> if u want a real answer, I'd say it would be reasonable to expect javascript to still be "in" for the next 5 years 07:45 bbut javascript is GAYYY 07:45 apparently? 07:45 idk why we have to use those words as insults nowadays but off you go 07:45 who said javascript is gay 07:45 we dont 07:45 good 07:46 i wouldnt like insulting gay people like that 07:46 {Demo}2 and his gay bar remark 07:46 * K2 smacks {Demo}2 07:46 you could also go into a high security prison to the rapist section and ask, and they would say 'C' 07:47 rapist section 07:47 heh 07:47 but this is just a normal joke and doesn't imply anything 07:47 just a random bunch of people i decided to mention 07:47 totally unrelated to the actual question 07:47 but they surely would say 'C' 07:47 'ah yeah, i'd like a cell in the rapist section please. thank you' 07:47 smh 07:48 * K2 starts to guide the conversation elsewhere 07:48 stennowork! how's attie doing? 07:49 working 07:49 besides that 07:49 getting herself at home in the old new environment 07:49 she liking the change so far? 07:49 yeah 07:49 cool 07:49 apparently hong kong was a shithole for her 07:50 you both gonna be able to play some in tnnt this year? 07:50 which i don't agree with 07:50 idk lets see 07:50 yeah hong kong is not where i'd wanna be right now 07:50 i have 2 weeks of holiday 07:50 in november 07:50 wow 2 weeks 07:50 ... DIRGE 07:50 and then 2 more weeks in december 07:51 i have 5 hrs left of paid vacation this year 07:51 thats not much 07:51 no it isnt 07:51 how much do you get? 25 days? 30 days? 07:51 i had to use a lot of it earlier in the year 07:51 i had 120 hrs this year 07:51 15 days? 07:51 so 15 days given a 40 hr work week 07:51 thats not too much 07:52 once i make it to 5 yrs with this company that'll go up to 25 days 07:52 oh wait, it's the USA right. so unions and paid vacation are evil communism things 07:52 dont get me started 07:53 depends on the company 07:53 you should start working in germany 07:53 i dont know german 07:53 i have a hard enough time with english 07:53 is it true that in the USA you only have a certain amount of days of sick leave? 07:53 and if you have those days full, you have to go to work when you are sick 07:53 again depends on the company 07:53 ? 07:54 company i work for, we dont have separate sick days 07:54 which is fucked up 07:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:18476 07:54 so if you are sick, it gets deducted from your vacation time 07:54 insanity 07:54 ah well 07:54 but our HR person is good about not charging us PTO when we have a doc appointment 07:54 in my country you can get extra vacation days in case you get sick during your vacation, to make up for that 07:54 i guess its the price you have to pay to not be socialism 07:55 oh we have all sorts of socialist programs in the US 07:55 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 07:55 like what 07:55 'social security' 07:56 so lets make sure we're all on the same page of what a socialist program would be 07:56 your definition, go 07:56 free healthcare, free education is a good start 07:57 basic workers rights, unionized works 07:57 free education, yeah 07:57 <{Demo}2> that bernie guy getting really excited 07:57 abolishment of private prisons 07:57 huh private prisons is a thing? 07:57 in the usa, yeah 07:57 in the US yeah 07:57 wtf 07:57 for-profit prisons 07:57 i know 07:57 <{Demo}2> free cookies for street elves 07:57 where people earn money the more peole they lock up 07:57 ok but back up a min 07:58 'free' healthcare and education 07:58 free means paid by taxes 07:58 <{Demo}2> tax george bush a bunch 07:58 <{Demo}2> or something 07:58 thats actually taxes everyone pays to ensure everyone gets that benefit 07:58 yes 07:58 right 07:58 ok so 07:58 in the US: 07:58 social security 07:58 the military 07:58 police 07:58 fire department 07:58 and generally the mindset that taxes are not a terrible socialist thingy but important for a society 07:58 <{Demo}2> the library lol 07:58 library yes :) 07:59 health clinics 07:59 ^ not to be confused with hospital 07:59 <{Demo}2> schools lol 07:59 wouldnt be surprised with a private fire department, where they start rattling up a bunch of options and add-on services outside while the house is burning down 07:59 public school system yes 07:59 list goes on and on 07:59 <{Demo}2> alex___ don't give them ideas 07:59 i love dropping this truth bomb on some of my more right wing leaning friends 08:00 so all of your kids go to public school, and private schools are something exclusive where only the richest of the rich are? 08:00 not exactly 08:00 i always thought that public school system was very unpopular in the US 08:00 but sending your kid to a private school isnt exactly cheap 08:00 BUT the quality of education is usually better than public school 08:01 stennowork depends hwere you live 08:01 in my state, public school system is actually decent 08:01 slavery is banned in the US 08:01 <{Demo}2> idk what the statistics are but in this region its mostly public school 08:01 ... except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted 08:01 bhaak, is it? 08:01 i wonder why us-americans still like tot talk about 'race' 08:01 that there is a 'black race' and a 'white race' and shit 08:01 seems there is still a lot of apartheid stuck in their heads 08:01 <{Demo}2> yeah ok it seems to be about 1/10 of kids are private schooled which seems right 08:02 1/10 is a lot 08:02 because 99% of the population are sheep and believe whatever they're told 08:02 its probably 1/1000 in germany 08:02 <{Demo}2> yeah china is tyring to stir up trouble 08:02 <{Demo}2> all of the bad things where they r trying to make ppl mad at each other over dumb shit is china 08:02 <{Demo}2> or the cia im not sure yet 08:02 meh its about the same value in germany regarding private schools, my bad 08:03 china is a super scapegoat 08:03 <{Demo}2> no, thats russia 08:03 <{Demo}2> or the middle east 08:03 everyone is making memes about blizzard, and in the same time trump perpetuated the genocide of the kurdish people in syria 08:03 but nobody cares 08:03 <{Demo}2> yeah or blizzard 08:03 because blizzard memes give upvotes 08:03 stennoworknot true 08:04 and the kurds do not 08:06 oh right trump made a 'super cool deal' with erdogan and he thought that erdogan was bluffing! but he wasn't! 08:06 and then trump sent a very embarrassing letter to erdogan, and erdogan threw it in the trash 08:06 the art of making a deal 08:06 bigly 08:07 what luck that 'american exceptionalism' (i.e. rampant nationalism) is taught in your schools, otherwise you'd have a revolution at your hand 08:07 don't forget to sing a song to your flag, or it will get sad 08:07 god dammit 08:07 imma do some other shit 08:08 so you're lumping all americans together because of what our dear orange leader does? 08:09 <{Demo}2> yeah the way america is seen by the world is weird. i dont meet very ppl that are like that 08:09 were all germans jew-hating nazi shitbags back in world war 2? 08:09 not all of them, but of course most of them 08:09 otherwise, nazi germany wouldn't have happened 08:10 ok so now throw social media into the mix 08:10 seems like we're all just a bunch of gun loving coal burning 'murica trump supporters yeah? 08:11 <{Demo}2> and internet media 08:11 idk i don't see anyone rioting in the streets of the USA like in hong kong or in france or w/e 08:11 so it doesn't really seem to bother you 08:11 because you're not looking 08:12 you only see what the media show you 08:12 <{Demo}2> i see ppl protesting? in the streets like biweekly 08:12 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:12 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ Ā¤ public irc logs available on website Ā¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org Ā¤ TNNT 2019! https://redd.it/dbtsy4 08:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:13 <{Demo}2> and sometimes theres a lot of them 08:14 are they running in a circle and shout 'what do we want? x! when do we want it? now!' 08:15 <{Demo}2> no they are like yelling and holding signs and stuff idk 08:16 <{Demo}2> not exactly sure what their platform is or what they want but i know they care about climate change and probably? want something done? not sure, don't want to guess and overgeneralize 08:16 its not that all americans are behind trump politics 08:17 most arent actually 08:17 but enough are unfortunately 08:17 but over the last decades, a certain mindset was imposed on all of you, that capitalism is awesome, socialism means death, and america is the greatest country in the world 08:17 and that stuck for a lot of people 08:17 and also that there is a 'white race' and a 'black race' and so on 08:18 sounds kinda like germany almost 100 yrs ago 08:18 and this kind of mindset still dominates the politics 08:18 sure, people like Ford inspired hitlers anti-semitims 08:18 ford published the 'elders of zion' fake 08:19 so yeah we have some issues. but dont make it sound like its an exclusive american thing 08:19 its a 'human nature' thing 08:19 the issues you have are exclusive to US 08:19 no, its not 08:19 hahah 08:19 nationalism and racism are not 'in the human nature' 08:19 you sure about that? 08:19 yes 08:20 ok stennowork 08:20 we're have to agree to disagree 08:20 *we'll 08:38 -!- vevais has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:43 -!- bubbles_nhww has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7879 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18624 09:02 whats china a scapegoat for 09:04 <{Demo}2> everything ever 09:04 <{Demo}2> like if you stub ur toe, u know who u can safely blame 09:05 theyre not exactly saints 09:05 <{Demo}2> no they aren't 09:05 <{Demo}2> esp cause they manufactured this dumb plastic dresser i stubbed my toe on 09:05 whos safely blaming them, most of the time they're getting their ass kissed 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a guardian naga hatchling, on T:10636 09:06 well now china is the superpower 09:06 the last 40 years, that would have been US 09:06 "of course it's china taiwan you guys, we all know its your province lets be friends" 09:06 so nowadays we don't kiss US ass anymore, but china 09:06 and with less hypocrisy so thats a bit more pleasant 09:07 <{Demo}2> i think global population control is in chinas best interest 09:07 Why am I having no problem hitting stuff as a level 8 binder with a 2h axe? 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11038 09:07 <{Demo}2> is it enchanted? 09:07 I'm restricted in axes and it's +0 09:07 <{Demo}2> hmm 09:08 I have 25str 16dex 09:08 lucky? 09:08 Not done anything positive to my luck intentionally 09:08 !porn 09:08 stennowork: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 09:08 !pom 09:08 stennowork: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 09:08 <{Demo}2> binders start with like -1 luck anyway 09:08 Not complaining, just I usually have way more trouble hitting 09:08 That would have timed out by now 09:08 I picked this axe up at xl2 09:08 <{Demo}2> hmm 09:08 And was one-shotting gnomes and dwarves 09:09 h I usually have a bit of an issue with as binder when the pet is being an idiot 09:09 Again, not complaining! 09:09 Oh maybe it isn't +0 09:09 It's just uncursed 09:11 Tempted to malphas and murder minetown but I don't really need to 09:11 I just feel like it 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:13326 09:14 //avoid zero rows because of invisibility 09:14 what kind of comment is this 09:14 what should i do with those information 09:14 probably just not touching anything here 09:15 HUH: if I otiax a new door into a shop I can use it even when invisible 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 870 points, T:1933, poisoned by a giant mosquito, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:17 Ah it's a gibbous moon axe 09:17 So 2d10 not bat 09:20 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Val Dwa Fem Law), 409 points, T:1115, killed by an iguana, while asleep 09:20 wait thats a thing? 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1474 points, T:2069, killed by a horse 09:24 Yeah 09:24 Silver moon axe does different damage depending on the pom 09:24 I think strictly it's a different weapon entirely but I'm not too sure how it works. 09:25 wow thats cool 09:25 i always wondered what that was about 09:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:16305 09:25 maybe i should try and ascend another dnethack game - it has been quite some time now 09:25 It's one weapon using the variable-purpose variable to keep track of what the pom was when it was generated. 09:25 So axes found in bones will still have their original pom. 09:26 Ah right so it's like an enchantment on it (or flag or whatever, like the unholy/morgul)? 09:26 <@Tone> That's begging for a min-max player to only play during certain moon phases :P 09:27 Yup re enchantment 09:27 You can wish for moon axes in any phase, so that pressure is lessened. 09:33 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 09:34 I think I've only ever seen 2 outside of wishing 09:35 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634746367842975744/unknown.png 09:35 <@luxidream> DT broke trees 09:36 those aren't trees, they are a new dungeon feature 'meadow' 09:36 (j/k) 09:39 Oh also Chris_ANG I think I saw a weird bug when jack was bound to the pen and then timed out 09:39 I got a program in disorder message, but I think the pen remained brightly lit 09:39 <@luxidream> green altars 09:39 <@luxidream> nature aligned 09:46 Oh, probably :( 09:46 Not complaining, hope the reports are helping!! 09:46 It's not the right symbol for an altar 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:75519 09:47 my last and only dnethack ascension was in october 2016 apparently 09:47 <@ChrisANG> Also: 09:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634749506440921088/unknown.png 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:75525 09:48 Is there something special there? 09:48 <{Demo}2> Z 09:48 <{Demo}2> its old 09:48 Who left that mace there? 09:49 <{Demo}2> oh, windows? 09:49 No, it's just a meadow ;) 09:49 <@FIQ> there's still people playing w/o color? They're crazy 09:49 <{Demo}2> why do u have the Z zombie option on? 09:49 Cause windows. 09:49 <{Demo}2> cause highlight doenst work? 09:50 The terminal doesn't do highlighting right, yeah. 09:52 <@FIQ> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/389c4960552442ceebd415fe4b2a48a026aa975c 09:52 Chris_ANG do you think it's correct that if I'm invis I can make a new door into a shop (that will never be closed off) and then use the shop as normal 09:52 Which bypasses all the binder badness 09:53 <@FIQ> If invis, he can't see your marks? 09:53 Correct 09:53 But if you otiax a new door in he won't stop you entering 09:54 Since the shopkeeper's "special square" is fixed 09:54 oh actual meadow yay 09:56 <{Demo}2> are shks chill with you just slapping a backdoor on their shk? 09:56 It's known yeah. They'll also still sell to you if banned. For now at least invis+Otiax is an acknowledged strategy. 09:56 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 09:56 <{Demo}2> or do they get mad at u for dmging? 09:57 "I rarely have color enabled" 09:57 they should get angry 09:57 New doors don't count as damage right now. 09:57 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:00 <@FIQ> @bhaak >rarely 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:75815 10:03 @FIQ probably only for testing 10:03 <@FIQ> Mhm 10:05 <@FIQ> changes DT response expectations feom "never" to "probably" 10:05 <@FIQ> Maybe I should do an attempt to ask about the getobj stuff 10:06 <@FIQ> Rejection is fine but the previous ignore leaves it unclear on whether it's seen as useful or not 10:08 <@FIQ> I was definitely not annoyed by being completely ignored after working on a patch that I knew for certain at least 1 DT member expressed an interest in šŸ˜› 10:09 ais523 doesn't have control over the devteam :P 10:09 lies 10:09 <@FIQ> @luxidream shh 10:10 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10 [hdf-us] [slex] tyomalu (Ast Arg Mal Cha), 12108 points, T:167, quit 10:10 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:11 -!- luxidream has quit [Client Quit] 10:11 <@FIQ> In hindsight, DT's (lack of) response shouldn't have been surprising given how rarely they seemed to reply to anything back then 10:11 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:12 nowadays the devteam is infinitely more responsive than it was during 3.4.3 10:13 <@FIQ> Yeah but even back when I did getobj, they did reply. Rarely. 10:13 <@FIQ> During 3.4.3 days they literally never did 10:14 <@FIQ> any kind of response at the time was seen as rather notable 10:14 yes 10:15 ais was some sort of herald of the gods because he had some exclusive contact 10:15 <@FIQ> hah 10:15 'ais is that guy who wrote a mail to the devteam and got a reply' 10:15 <@FIQ> I recall hearing something like that 10:16 <@FIQ> he used advanced strats 10:16 <@FIQ> Bribe them with major bug fixes and subtly ask something alongside 10:16 haha 10:18 in order for that to work we need major bugs 10:18 this is my personal problem - i cannot really critizise the devteam as an institution anymore, because in my eyes they improved so much already 10:18 <@FIQ> iirc I did try the same strategy back then a few times around 2013-2014 10:18 for me its like, 'yeah this and that is probably bad, but BACK IN THE DAYS, GUYS...' 10:19 <@FIQ> it did work once so ais was definitely onto something šŸ˜› 10:19 ais played a huge role in the developments during and after the $NEXTVERSION leak 10:20 so it is part his merit (is that the right word) how it is nowadays 10:20 his involvement in all that cannot be understanted 10:20 understated even 10:20 <@FIQ> @stennowork I went on a rant a few days ago about DT never replying to anything 10:20 er 10:20 you know what i want to say 10:20 well apparently they have a personal problem with you :D 10:20 <@FIQ> Seems I was a few yrars late on that one 10:21 Lol got axe on xl2 had to wait until xl13 to get marrion 10:21 <{Demo}2> they have replied to me excessively 10:21 i got patr replies when i submitted bugs 10:21 <{Demo}2> like eh that report didn't really need a reply but I got one 10:21 <@FIQ> Because so far response rate since said rant is 100% 10:21 haha 10:21 <{Demo}2> yeah from patr 10:21 well thats good 10:21 maybe somebody heard your rant :) 10:22 <@FIQ> Heh 10:22 wonder why they didn't hate ais523 for being a variant developer 10:22 but then again several of those are on the devteam 10:22 <@FIQ> Well I hasd just gotten back to active NH development 10:22 guess they just hate variant players 10:22 i think he already was involved in communication before acehack 10:23 <@FIQ> Back last time, rant was definitely accurate, at least for me personally 10:23 Also that's strange, I bound marrion but have unskilled/expert not basic/expert? 10:24 but he also named his variant 'nethack 4' and that was a hilarious decision 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:76312 10:24 and we named the leak 'nethack 3.5' 10:24 so now there is no official nethack 3.5 10:24 and there wont most likely be a nethack 4 either 10:24 <{Demo}2> yeah the dt got did dirty 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:76314 10:25 this is assuming nethack will ever progress beyond NH3 10:25 <@FIQ> NH5 10:25 yeah, i assume it'd be called nh5 10:25 same MO than for nh 3.6 10:25 <@FIQ> will feature online multiplayer and lootboxes 10:25 lul 10:25 and Windows 10? 10:26 related https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2731 10:26 we can have literal loot boxes in nethack 10:27 yes 10:27 <@riker> bubbles: bug probably 10:27 No biggi 10:27 <@riker> just chop stuff 10:27 <@FIQ> pay $0.99, get a large box 10:27 "The large box is empty." 10:28 <@FIQ> #worth 10:28 There's always the chance it explodes in your face. 10:28 well, it could have a wand of wishing! just buy another box 10:28 <@FIQ> @Andrio haha 10:28 funnily enough there was a TAS of 3.4.3 where they wished for an empty chest and got a chest with a wand of wishing in it. 10:29 r/nethack would have a pulls thread, filled with screenshots of people who got wands of wishing 10:29 <@FIQ> empty poisoned trapped box with a needle trap 10:30 stennowork: I can commend the devteam for becoming more responsive while criticizing them at the same time for having no plans or even discussions as a group 10:31 <@FIQ> hmm 4h delay on nhcopier 10:31 if they don't communicate, then no statements they make are representative of the group 10:31 <@FIQ> I thought it was larger 10:31 aosdict, yes 10:32 it is just a personal issue for me 10:32 because i was really really ANGERY against the devteam during 3.4.3 times 10:32 <@FIQ> @aosdict fans are never happy 10:33 "I went another direction" is also not great 10:33 no, its not great 10:33 the tungtn thing is another situation 10:33 <@FIQ> @stennowork the mysterious force is a good feature 10:33 <@FIQ> loved by everyone 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 324 points, T:1666, killed by a werejackal 10:34 some of what they do makes me think I should stop adding cool features to xnethack because then the devteam (or at least patr) won't take them because they're in a variant 10:34 they just add the annoying parts 10:34 <@FIQ> orctown 10:34 <@FIQ> originated in spork 10:34 You feel weak! You must have been abusing your body. You feel tough! ā””ā”€ā”€ ā””ā”€ā”˜ You must be leading a healthy life-style. 10:34 HMMM 10:34 >spider webs 10:34 <@FIQ> haha spider webs 10:34 You feel agile! You feel fragile! 10:34 most of the 3.6.1 (not 3.6.0) features come from variants and from NAO 10:35 for the record, one of the main goals of xnethack is to showcase features that I think are cool and would hope the devteam thinks are cool too 10:35 <@FIQ> @aosdict that is counterproductive to their modus operandi 10:35 the goal of some dev team members seems to be to fix minor bugs and annoy players who ask for nice things 10:35 <@FIQ> actually 10:35 <@FIQ> some dnh features has made it into vanilla 10:36 forgive me for thinking providing cool features with compatible code included would be shunned more than random idea suggestions 10:36 <@riker> huh, which ones fiq? 10:36 *wouldn't 10:36 well aosdict some of the best features of xnh have made it into vanilla 10:36 <@FIQ> hell, even a fiqhack one, and most DT members seem to have a strong aversion to nitrohack derivatives 10:36 like spiderwebs 10:36 and mjolnir making noise 10:37 <@FIQ> @rikersan ghouls eating old corpses from dnh 10:37 <@FIQ> Cleaver from fiqhack 10:38 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 10:39 <@FIQ> dnh has other things in vanilla too but I can't easily check atm 10:39 luxidream: irc-compatible dt members have said that "the devteam's" plans amount to individual ideas that are not shared with anyone, not even proposed to other dt members 10:39 how can you do anything significant like that 10:39 so I've heard 10:40 ais523 has said that if he pushes something insane through in the next version 10:40 cathedral development method 10:40 insane? might we finally get rid of the mysterious force? :D 10:40 <@FIQ> so if I want my stuff in, I should ask ais for him to sneak it in? nice 10:40 I wouldnt be surprised if they got in a git edit war over some feature that someone deemed too boat-rocking 10:40 many DT members are likely to remain quiet 10:40 due to not wanting to stir the pot 10:40 its ironic that the devteam chose cathedral even though ESR was part of the devteam once 10:41 <@FIQ> makes evil plans 10:41 that might explain why ESR was not a good mood regarding the situation before the $nextversion leak 10:41 <@FIQ> what about him? 10:41 FIQ: I once got a feature into vanilla by being on the ball when ais523 said "hey what's a good feature idea" 10:41 FIQ, esr wrote a book 'the cathedral and the bazaar' 10:42 <@FIQ> @aosdict haha nice 10:42 FIQ, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar 10:42 Oops 10:42 <@FIQ> what did you sneak in? 10:42 Bugger 10:42 wait, a NH devteam member wrote that? 10:42 the irony 10:42 !gt V 10:42 luxidream, yeah 10:42 luxidream, esr wrote the guidebook among other things 10:43 <@FIQ> vlad killed someone? 10:43 FIQ: Water running off of oilskin sacks, identifying them 10:43 <@FIQ> Ah, cool 10:43 Was Vlad buffed in that variant? 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:76940 10:43 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:44 I think very much so 10:44 Also I was really really stupid a. for going without drain res, and b. just ignoring my health 10:44 I was so used to everything dying in one or two hits :-( 10:45 Also I broke my otiax taboo reeeeally stupidly 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 283 points, T:1591, killed by a scroll of earth 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 115 points, T:116, killed by a kobold zombie 10:51 Early wish as orc binder, what would people suggest? 10:53 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3632 10:53 <@riker> bubbles ydsm probably 10:54 <@riker> or green 10:54 <@riker> do you like iris or marionette more 10:54 <@riker> also speed / flying boots are always a good choice 10:54 ESR is the kind of guy who has immense insight into FOSS community and project maintainance so i could learn a lot of him 10:55 on the other hand, given his political views, it would probably end up in a fist fight 10:55 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57 His thoughts on women's rights are also pretty unpleasant. 10:57 overall very unpleasant, yeah 10:58 Riker so you wouldn't go for an arti straight away? 11:03 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:03 ugghgh 11:03 Go team B 11:05 :) 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:77981 11:14 go go tangles 11:14 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:14 -!- luxidream has quit [Client Quit] 11:15 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:16 !ping 11:16 jonathanhanes: Pong! 11:20 aosdict: showing the prices in the shop was also taken from a variant. so no, not only the annyoing parts get picked :-D 11:22 bhaak: I'm hungry for more gameplay features, most of the new features in the game are interface enhancements (probably because those are non controversial) 11:22 how's that pitch to make 3.7 development transparent coming along? 11:23 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15725 points, T:473, killed by a sewer rat 11:24 also when I say I want more gameplay features, I hope the devteam realizes the community has come up with many, many ideas, and can save themselves the mental effort of thinking up new ones :D 11:28 implying that they are attempting to think of new ideas 11:28 I'm not so sure about that :/ 11:29 I suppose being out of touch and not making many changes is better than the alternative 11:30 I know they're at least envisioning 3.7. That probably means some ideas are happening somewhere. 11:30 there hasn't been much 3.7 dev yet 11:31 also the pitch hasn't started since we last discussed it, due to nhmall being away 11:32 real slime mold: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/paris-zoo-blob-1.5325747 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 947 points, T:1711, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 11:35 why is this channel showing activity when no one said anything 11:36 wow I forgot how huge the difference between TightVNC and TurboVNC was 11:36 the former is usable but really annoyingingly laggy 11:37 the former is good enough that I don't really notice a significant difference from simply being on desktop, minus some input lag that can't be avoided 11:37 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 11:37 unless I decide to play a game or similar 11:37 aosdict: because this channel is magical 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11622 11:46 cool, steam works in virtualgl now 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:31774 11:46 but I need to mess with launch options because both steam and virtualgl hijacks the renderer 11:47 when launching games 11:48 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 oh forgot to mention last night: 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:32044 11:49 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 11:49 good job! 11:49 \o/ 11:49 changes? 11:49 =) 11:49 latest devteam bits as of last night 11:49 there are newer commits today that I havent pulled 11:50 partly eaten food in bones 11:50 lol 11:50 mostly curses related 11:54 <@Umby> 'lo 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 144 points, T:701, killed by a kobold 11:54 it still has trouble with mouse movement in games with mouse camera control though 11:56 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:33051 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33053 12:04 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided mind flayer, on T:65405 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] poligono2007 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 97 points, T:471, killed by a gas cloud 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:33716 12:07 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:36558 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh4] vessilaya (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 35166 points, T:3246, killed by a watch captain 12:28 !streak 12:28 Tangles: [hdf-us] Tangles Max[nh343]: 1 (2017-02-25 - 2017-03-10). Current[nh363]: 1 (since 2018-05-11). | [hdf-au] Tangles Max[nh363]: 2 (2018-12-03 - 2019-04-15). Current[nh363]: 2 (since 2019-09-16). 12:29 Congrats Tangles 12:29 Double congrats 12:29 cheers :) 12:29 wooo Tangles \o/ 12:30 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 12:31 Thanks K2! 12:31 Time for bed! 12:31 'night. 12:32 gnite Tangles 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3267 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3685 12:37 i'm gonna eat this entire bag of parmesan baked goldfish crackers, and i dont even care 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:38455 12:40 parmesan is awesome 12:41 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:41 nomnomnom 12:42 @v?mumak 12:42 mumak (q) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: -2 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravisible 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 687 points, T:1015, killed by a blue jelly 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:38914 12:44 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:39396 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39548 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39655 12:47 heh. 12:47 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39786 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39794 12:48 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:52 !coffee 12:52 * Beholder pours jonathanhanes a tumbler of oro tequila, replicated by Announcy at 15 Kelvin. 12:52 now that's a strong cup of coffe 12:53 tequilla gold? 12:53 lmao 12:54 it says here that siege ogres in dnethack are not tamable 12:54 which is bs 12:54 !coffee 12:54 * Beholder throws K2 a cup of coffee, brewed by Rodney at 82 degrees Fahrenheit. 12:54 why do you get tequila 12:54 what gives beholderbot? 12:54 and i get coffee 12:54 wtf 12:54 * K2 wanted tequila 12:54 I'm not that kind of girl 12:54 * jonathanhanes trades K2 12:54 mmm 12:55 the encyclopedia entry for siege ogres is also the passage from lotr for oliphaunts 12:55 which means they should be ridable imo 12:55 yeah i bet you'd like to ride an ogre 12:56 sicko 12:56 lmao 12:56 :P 12:56 mind in gutter 12:56 as usual 12:56 nope its not in the gutter... its attached 12:56 a sewer level in nethack would be really cool 12:57 think 3 wide long corridors with water running through the middle 12:57 mm 12:57 lots of nasty monsters of course 12:57 Tell e me more 12:57 ... 12:57 jonathanhanes you just gave me an idea 12:58 kinda of like the old crystalis game for nes if you ever played it 12:58 its reminding me of the eye of the beholder series 12:58 computer game from 1990 12:58 where did i see that just a few days ago 12:58 your party had to go under the streets of waterdeep to fight the evil that lived in the sewers below 12:58 never played it 12:58 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59 stenno we were talking about it here several days ago 12:59 ah that must be it then 12:59 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6I_1C0QUTjQ/hqdefault.jpg 13:00 end boss could like a watcher in the water type 13:00 with several grab attacks per turn 13:00 and some kind of rend attack so you can't rely on an oilskin cloak 13:01 the water could be green and give you sickness if you go in it 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:22599 13:02 green or brown 13:02 poo water 13:02 because you know... you're in a sewer 13:03 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 13:04 maybe you could dip potions and they would instead dilute into potions of sickness 13:04 unique goldfish enemie 13:05 come on K2 make it happen :P 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Wolfechu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9089 13:05 heh 13:06 <@Umby> LAte GG to Tangles 13:07 jonathanhanes i just jotted all this down 13:07 nice ideas 13:08 wasn't there a variant that had a ninja turtles easter egg? 13:08 with the rat boss and everything 13:08 no idea 13:08 sounds slash'em or dnethack 13:08 I swear I remember that, might have been in the last devnull tournie 13:08 before it became tnnt 13:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11 https://imgur.com/a/vYh1Bt7 13:11 kind of what I envisioned 13:11 where you can walk on either side of the water 13:11 there might be places to cross, might not 13:11 now I want to play crystalis again 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 7 points, T:58, killed by a bolt of cold 13:13 i dont have a pic readily available... most villages i'd been to in Iraq, there'd always be a tiny river of sewage running down the middle of all the pathways 13:14 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:15 K2: SLASHā€™EM added the Rat King, not Master Splinter. 13:15 ah 13:16 could even be a small town of peaceful (or not) mutant people 13:17 [Backscroll] In the past, Iā€™ve gotten pretty prompt devteam responses, but thatā€™s because the only thing I do is report bugs, not suggest features. 13:17 maybe they're peaceful if you have a mutation of some sort 13:17 not sure how that would work though 13:17 what kind of features are people requesting 13:17 i think dt are clear when it comes to new roles and such 13:19 <@luxidream> No mutations in nethack please 13:20 <@Umby> slowly puts away the potion of polymorph he was about to throw 13:20 how will the sewer people ever accept you as one of their own? 13:21 Does any variant have a sewer level? 13:21 <@luxidream> Thatā€™d be a cool puzzle, an area where you have to use controlled polymorph to disguise yourself 13:22 <@luxidream> we have the xnh sewer mines ends which is awful 13:22 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 13:22 <@Umby> Yeah, that's what I was thinking of 13:22 <@Umby> though idk about calling it awful 13:22 <@Umby> (because I know nothing about it beyond that it exists and turds are a thing) 13:22 <@luxidream> you havenā€™t even played xnh? 13:23 <@Umby> I've only played vanilla Android port, remember? 13:23 <@Umby> Anything I know about anything else is from wiki osmosis 13:23 <@Umby> or chat osmosis :B 13:23 <@luxidream> I was saying the xnh sewer mines end is annoying 13:23 <@luxidream> not your idea 13:24 <@Umby> I know 13:24 that's kind of what I was thinking luxidream since I don't know how nethack would handle mutations, if it even could 13:24 <@Umby> Oh 13:24 <@Umby> You were replying to him lol 13:24 you could make it a special intrinsic perhaps 13:24 like it messes up your face and makes you look ugly 13:24 <@Umby> But yeah that's a p. big elephant in the room, like where would you start implementation without breaking the game over your knee 13:24 and then makes regular folks hostile to you 13:24 <@luxidream> Jonathanhanes: I have a natural aversion to mutation systems after playing crawl 13:25 <@luxidream> just let me be a normal person D: 13:25 Umby: *her. Gal here. 13:25 just go murder hobo on the mutant village 13:25 but be careful they have mutant strength 13:25 <@Umby> Good to know 13:25 and throw toxic sludge at you 13:25 <@Umby> but I meant Jonathan 13:25 Umby: Gotchu, my b 13:25 <@Umby> :GWloopyGok: 13:26 I don't think I've seen the xnh sewer you're referring to though 13:26 also the toxic sludge will mutate you 13:26 :) 13:26 <@luxidream> Itā€™s a mines end with tons of water and eels 13:27 <@luxidream> itā€™s dark obviously 13:27 <@Umby> early drowning attacks 13:27 <@Umby> DansGame 13:27 @luxidream that soundsā€¦ not fun. At all. 13:27 ahh 13:27 Yah I was thinking most of the loot should be rings 13:27 and other trinkets 13:28 Oh you could make it so when you try to water walk in the middle of the water tentacles come up out of the water and attempt to drown you 13:28 so you would be averse to taking shortcuts 13:29 <@Umby> That's what the eels would be for I imagine 13:29 <@Umby> in xnh's version 13:29 yah but make it whenever you tried to walk over the water at all 13:29 <@Umby> Rings are a natural choice for loot because sinks 13:29 you could still freeze it or make a boulder bridge 13:29 <@Umby> if you do that give some kind of like warning 13:30 *As you cross the water a slimy tentacle reaches up out of the water and grabs your leg* 13:30 <@Umby> or at least make it not-a-quick-or-instant-kill 13:30 yah it wouldn't be instant that would be silly 13:30 change water to sewage 13:30 <@Umby> Monster generation would have to be biased towards rats and snakes with the rare croc 13:30 sewer crocs 13:30 <@Umby> or a guaranteed fixed number of a stronger croc variant 13:31 Killer Croc, from Batman 13:31 <@Umby> I'm mad hobbits don't react to characters wearing rings of invisibility 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:41496 13:32 how should they react? 13:33 It would be interesting if Nazgul reacted somehow, or putting on the ring alerted the player to their location. 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11971 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42329 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42356 13:36 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37 !tell Chris_ANG there is a bug where if I open a door to a shop and stand 1 tile away from the angered shopkeeper (intentionally hit to make angry) so I can just spam "Shape the Wind", the shopkeeper won't ever zap me with his wands 13:37 No worries, bubbles_nhww, I've got this! 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:42715 13:40 !tell Chris_ANG Also is a tame Weeping Angel intended to contaminate me? 13:40 No worries, bubbles_nhww, I've got this! 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:42872 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42875 13:41 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 13:42 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 43308 points, T:10002, killed by a leocrotta 13:43 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4411 points, T:254, killed by a sewer rat 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:44646 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44647 13:47 <@Umby> yo 13:47 <@Umby> Why do eating the globby monsters always give me shock resistance first 13:47 <@Umby> I mean I hate energy vortexes and this is welcome 13:47 <@Umby> but it's almost always that first 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:45204 13:51 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 28339 points, T:1446, killed by a giant bat 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:45250 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:45291 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1898722 points, T:45321, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1571364338.nh.html 13:53 <@luxidream> been a while since I had to do the grand tour 13:53 Is there a reason you leveled up to 30? 13:53 I guess archons would be peaceful anyway 13:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11067 points, T:410, killed by a jackal 13:53 <@luxidream> low fail chance on polymorph 13:54 <@luxidream> level 30 priest has 47% fail on polymorph 13:54 <@luxidream> despite being unskilled 13:54 oh nice 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 934 points, T:1752, killed by a giant bat 13:54 <@Umby> GG Luxi 13:54 <@luxidream> ty 13:55 grats 13:56 Gratz luxi! :-) 13:57 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 18829 points, T:943, killed by a hobbit 13:59 Does fiqhack still have really big monster HP pools? 13:59 [backscroll] YANI: Goldfish monster - yellow ;, has no attacks and is always peaceful and level 0. Used mainly for flavoring special levels, quests especially. 14:00 <@luxidream> no that was fixed 14:00 <@luxidream> thank god 14:00 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13454 points, T:678, killed by a jackal 14:00 @luxidream there's literally one eel in the gnomish sewer, and paranoid water means you're not taking an accidental dip 14:01 <@luxidream> there are other sea monsters though right? 14:01 aosdict I was actually thinking of something more this flavor https://imgur.com/a/7fo33jX 14:01 three jellyfish and two piranhas 14:01 <@luxidream> I recall having a difficult time 14:02 it's possible for a random z monster to generate but that'll only generate eels if you're high enough level 14:05 jonathanhanes: Yeah, but the idea it inspired me to think of isn't anything related to that 14:05 * aosdict rather likes the idea of a koi pond 14:07 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 14:07 <@luxidream> is there a dry path to some of the areas on this level? 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 5 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23475 14:09 <@luxidream> the dark stone walls also make it confusing to navigate 14:09 <@luxidream> maybe put real walls in? 14:10 <@luxidream> the level also has an insane number of diagonal crawl spaces 14:11 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 34991 points, T:16993, killed by a yeti 14:15 <@K2> errmahgerd derscerd 14:16 <@K2> lerts pler nertherck 14:16 Wow...AC:11 14:16 somehow my dex got abused bad enough to go down to a 7 14:16 heh 14:16 yeah dex actually affects your AC 14:16 imagine that 14:16 yeah that's how it always worked in DND 14:17 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 20191 points, T:3546, killed by a homunculus 14:17 <{Demo}2> and slashem 14:17 what i added in that regard for evilhack, i used slashem as a template 14:18 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1230 points, T:102, killed by a falling rock 14:18 <@FIQ> Big monster and player HP pools was a bug 14:18 <{Demo}2> hey k2 I have a really good idea for you. you should randomly extend the dungeon by another 20 levels 14:19 shhh 14:19 <@FIQ> The game gave HP as if everyone had 25con 14:19 HOL UP: why was a green elf carrying a tin of green elf meat????? 14:19 cannibal elves 14:19 it's an urn 14:19 <{Demo}2> yumme elf ashes 14:20 <{Demo}2> we already discovered green elfs eat grass anyways so that's the only explanation 14:20 yummy grass fed green elf 14:20 <@malor> !who 14:20 @malor: [hdf-us] zblargles [nh363] Hill [nh363] Luxidream [nh363] ichbinmiah [nh363] spleen [nh363] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] groovejumper [fh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:20 <@FIQ> @luxidream xnh sewers is from 4k I think 14:21 <@FIQ> is it really that bad? 14:21 <@FIQ> I haven't encountered it in xnh 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:7147 14:21 <@FIQ> So xnh implemented shallow water? 14:23 <{Demo}2> every variant has shallow water now 14:23 ^ false 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3877 14:24 <{Demo}2> it was more a gouge at those that don't have it to catch up with the times, idk who doesn't have it 14:24 *You quaff the fountain* *A goldfish flops out* 14:24 <{Demo}2> (ndnh doesn't have shallow water) 14:24 <{Demo}2> for reference 14:26 <@FIQ> every good variant has shallow water, clearly 14:26 <@FIQ> I have no idea which ones 14:27 the rest are shit 14:27 shallow water or gtfo 14:27 <{Demo}2> hmm. none of them handle tiny monsters + shallow water 14:27 * K2 changes the plane of water into a giant rain puddle 14:28 <@FIQ> plane of bad weather 14:28 the UK? 14:29 <@FIQ> yes! 14:29 plane of plasma 14:29 lets see that 14:29 plane of bose-einstein condensate 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 587 points, T:1138, killed by a wand 14:29 not one of the 5 elements, boo 14:29 <@FIQ> I once played a pokemon romhack where it rained way too often 14:30 <@FIQ> I later on learned that the developer lived in the UK 14:30 <@FIQ> which explained everything 14:30 It doesn't rain _that_ much here, just enough that you aren't prepared 14:30 <{Demo}2> lol 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24191 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24192 14:32 plane of starbucks 14:32 the entire level is made up of ridiculously overpriced coffee 14:32 the Silly Plane 14:33 magical plastic orb.... 14:33 Plane of LSD 14:34 FIQ: I haven't implemnted shallow water, though it's planned. 14:34 hrm 14:34 why is my dex getting abused so hard as illithid? 14:34 this seems really unusual 14:34 oh crap 14:34 <{Demo}2> r u being a fatty and eating too much brain? 14:34 Also, I don't think I'm ever going to make luxidream like the sewer, so I should stop trying to please him wrt that level. 14:34 stupid ring of slow digestion 14:35 <{Demo}2> im imaging a short little super cute kinda chubby mind flayer now lol 14:35 I've been satiated since the game stated lol 14:35 <{Demo}2> i feel like u can get those as plushies 14:35 BAhaha 14:35 yeah yeesh I'm a fatty 14:35 6dex, and 14 con 14:35 beefcake! 14:36 I have lost the portal backwards :s 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:8336 14:36 aosdict: make the swerer the way you'd enjoy it 14:36 sewer even 14:37 AC:13, what a champ 14:38 HAHAHA 14:38 AC:15 14:38 oh man this is going downhill fast 14:38 -4 leather armor just put the cherry on this shitcake 14:39 <@luxidream> aosdict: I thought you took personal issue to diagonal crawl spaces, is the sewer an exception? 14:40 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 18571 points, T:6610, killed by a sewer rat 14:40 Diagonal gaps zero out water pressure so they're useful in sewers :-) 14:41 hah AntiVirus 14:41 dude this is getting bad 14:41 at least illithid rocks 14:41 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7136 points, T:310, killed by a jackal 14:42 that extra melee attack goes a long way 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:24441 14:43 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 8678 points, T:504, killed by a fox 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5596 points, T:9436, killed by a bolt of cold 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 5462 points, T:3634, killed by a soldier ant 14:45 What the actual cuss, could someone spectate my game and tell me I am not going mental? The portal out of this quest has vanished. 14:45 Or not 14:45 It was hiding 14:45 Ignore everything I ever say! 14:45 <@Umby> lol 14:45 I could have sworn I checked that tile already 14:46 <@Umby> That's what they all say 14:46 <@Umby> usually before YASD 14:46 hahah https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2786 14:46 @luxidream I believe you and I have systematically identified and eliminated all diagonal choke points on the level? 14:47 bubbles_nhww: But if I ignore you saying "Ignore everything I ever say" gah paradox 14:47 Not counting diagonal areas where one or both of the other spaces is water. 14:47 <@Umby> also late as hell but for nerfing scare monster without hamstringing it: perhaps make it so nemesis and uniques will be visibly wary and avoid approaching a 1-tile range around it to begin with 14:47 <@Umby> :GWbowsuBlobThinkOwO: 14:49 <@Umby> nice, couple of mine made it in 14:49 <@Umby> love that quote database 14:50 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 16691 points, T:861, killed by a gecko 14:51 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 16548 points, T:561, killed by a goblin 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:15891 14:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 12279 points, T:497, killed by a jackal 14:53 <@luxidream> if I'm reading this correctly, you have to pass through some of the water choke points to get to some of the potential luckstone locations 14:54 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:54 <@luxidream> for example, if the luckstone is at (2,4) 14:54 what's the issue with water choke points. they don't block movement 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 414 points, T:1024, killed by a gecko 14:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10775 points, T:402, killed by a grid bug 14:55 luxi: BTW, got a TeAE home after splatting the last good one in Zot 14:55 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634826937201721354/unknown.png 14:55 <@luxidream> in order to get into this island on the top left, you have to squeeze 14:56 <@FIQ> Not true 14:56 <@FIQ> Water is not a wall 14:56 <@FIQ> There is no choke point 14:56 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3688 points, T:160, killed by a goblin 14:57 I'm very confused right now luxidream 14:58 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634827574840655889/unknown.png 14:58 <@FIQ> Are you suggesting taking a bath? 14:58 <@luxidream> Well, there's also no other way to get onto that island 14:58 it's not a squeeze if there is ONE rock wall and the other is water, either. 14:59 wait, you think the blank space is an island? 14:59 the blank space is rock. 14:59 <@FIQ> I am ver5 confused now 14:59 the # is what you walk on and don't get your feet wet. 15:01 <@luxidream> ohh 15:02 ... have you ever been to this level in-game? 15:02 <@luxidream> Yes 15:02 <@luxidream> It's been a while though 15:03 <@FIQ> back when it did have choke points 15:04 <@luxidream> sorry, apparently I'm a moron 15:04 <@luxidream> but did it have choke points at some point? 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 140 points, T:563, killed by a small mimic 15:09 it used to 15:09 Much easier with life drain res :-D 15:09 jonadab's original design 15:10 <@Umby> I wonder if a "go team V" chant has started up now that Vlad is actually a reasonable threat 15:10 Umby: He suffers compared to team a in that you've got to get to him 15:10 <@Umby> fair point. 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:67045 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 332 points, T:1289, killed by a large kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:13 K2, spell failure chance on psionic wave seems unaffected by metal armor 15:13 I really like where he is now actually 15:14 correct 15:14 psionic wave isnt exactly a spell 15:15 its an illithids ability 15:15 ooooh 15:15 how much damage does it do? 15:15 -!- MaryHadalittle has quit [Quit: MaryHadalittle] 15:15 it costs spell power but will always be 0% failure rate (unless wearing a metal helm) 15:15 nifty 15:15 and you'll never forget it 15:15 gotcha, it's like an innate ability 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13228 15:16 2d6 initially but scales up a bit as you gain exp lvl 15:16 yeah 15:17 Nice, 44 pots of water from the vampires <3 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67135 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:67143 15:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4474 15:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5941 15:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6332 15:22 <@luxidream> aosdict: debug message still in game 15:22 <@luxidream> "You turn into a wererat! setting mlvl 2, hpmax 4 " 15:27 fixed 15:27 K2: apply pls? 15:28 a +1 pair of wooden fencing glovesden fencing gloves 15:28 a +1 pair of wooden fencing gloves 15:28 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c2/01/78/c20178e7a2a35159fc9d890255fb10cb.jpg 15:28 this what I'm picturing 15:29 yeah anyhow the ability to wear armors for a minute was nice 15:29 It got me over a hump until I could find some better wizard gear 15:31 <@Umby> No one gonna talk about Luxi being a werebane-wielding wererat? 15:31 aosdict mmmk 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 281 points, T:437, killed by a blue jelly 15:33 <@Umby> take care of your digestive system kids 15:33 <@Umby> or this could happen to you 15:37 xNetHack updated (all servers) 15:38 sweet 15:38 !tea K2 15:38 * Beholder hands K2 a cup of black tea, decanted by NotTheOracle\dnt at 112 Kelvin. 15:38 heh 15:38 "NotTheOracle" 15:39 from dev/null tribute tournament 15:39 That was a good tournament 15:39 nottheoracle, whose star shone so bright for one month, and can never be reclaimed 15:40 that was a fun tournament 15:41 that was when stenno made clan poo 15:41 and it was the utf-8 poo symbol 15:41 that was an adjective tournament 15:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:68217 15:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15311 15:45 Go Groughy go! 15:45 Grouchy 15:45 nice 15:45 he's still on 0.3.2 15:45 ah 15:45 that game has been going for awhile 15:46 yeah slow and careful 15:46 that's the only way I can stay alive as a wizard in EH 15:46 it looks like he has a couple dragon pets and is riding a dragon too 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed him unworthy, on T:5413 15:47 gauntlets of power, helm of brilliance..tons of spell power 15:47 this guy knows some tricks I don't for sure 15:48 firebrand 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14828 15:52 dude, don't starve Grouchy 15:52 weak from hunger, and busy fighting on 15:52 heh, he just quit 15:52 I mean saved 15:52 wow, yeah he only plays for a short time 15:54 !who 15:54 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] okmujnyhb [nh363] ichbinmiah [nh363] zblargles [nh363] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] Nobbs [nh343] groovejumper [fh] Luxidream [xnh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Arc Inc Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:22265 15:56 <@Umby> tfw a piercer obstructs boulders on Sokoban and you have little choice but to dismount, undress, squeeze through and beat it to death 15:56 orctown should always have the orc mines end IMHO 15:56 getting orctown is so unlucky 15:56 <@Umby> my alignment's probably straight up doodoo now 15:57 bleh.... 15:57 Umby: alternatives are to throw or shoot missiles or to zap wands (not striking) 15:57 <@Umby> which wouldn't be a problem 15:57 <@Umby> if I'd had either 15:58 sometimes teleportation of a boulder helps solve the problem too 15:58 <@Umby> Wand of teleport where 15:58 at the boulder 15:58 you don't have one 15:58 the gnomes in the Mines tend to have missiles 15:58 <@Umby> encumberment issues 15:58 <@Umby> I'm a Knight, my capacity is limited as is 15:59 drop those rocks boi 15:59 ride that horse 15:59 you get 1000 weight while riding 15:59 <@Umby> sure is "suggest things I already tried" hour in here 15:59 hehe 15:59 <@Umby> made rocks from the boulders downstairs 15:59 <@Umby> kept missing 15:59 just get the thing that does the stuff.... duh 15:59 <@Umby> and it'd heal whatever damage I did in the time it took to retrieve more presumably 16:00 return later with attack wand 16:00 <@Umby> so decided to just take the alignment hit from punching a fleeing snail 16:00 yeah 16:00 <@Umby> I'm off to an altar anyway 16:00 <@Umby> what I do have is create monster wands 16:01 <@Umby> something apt about being a knight trying to conquer Sokoban 16:01 <@Umby> your greatest foe isn't the giant mimics or the rust monsters or even the zoo 16:01 yeah, altar sac and take death drops 16:01 maybe you'll get a wand 16:01 <@Umby> no, just one badly placed snail 16:01 <@Umby> just like in medieval times 16:02 <@Umby> also, did you not read the part where I decided to take the conduct hit 16:02 <@Umby> I'm going to an altar just to repair the damage 16:03 <@Umby> Of course a gargoyle had other ideas 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2098 points, T:3553, killed by a dwarf 16:04 <@Umby> so that's that 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:7733 16:04 <@Umby> on to the next knight 16:04 people still playing 343 :P 16:04 it's 2019 bruh 16:04 or bruh-ette 16:05 <@Umby> eh, leave 'em to it 16:06 <@Umby> nothing says hardcore tourism like returning to older times 16:06 Eh, a few years ago we expected to be playing 3.4.3 in 2019. Probably to be millenia in the far future telepathising each other to go "has being of pure thought Rankin released 3.5.0 yet?" 16:07 <@Umby> "imagine achieving nirvana and not still playing the original Hack" 16:11 I only play real roguelikes like dnethack and dynahack 16:11 and for the last time, no, rogue is not a roguelike 16:12 K2 you said METAL helmet for illithid right? non metal is ok 16:12 bone, cloth other 16:12 dragonhide 16:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13 yep, metal 16:13 :D 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 9284 points, T:9197, killed by a white unicorn 16:17 <@Umby> didn't Twoflower tell you not to feed to magical wildlife 16:17 <@Umby> !lastgame Nobbs 16:17 @Umby: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nobbs/nh343/dumplog/1571424937.nh343.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nobbs/nh343/dumplog/1570209142.nh343.txt 16:17 the great part is Nobbs is also a discworld character 16:19 <@Umby> Ha 16:19 <@Umby> It's also great because only a Nobb would try to fight unicorns with an AC over 0 16:20 there is a terry pratchett book in my car I have to finish 16:20 reaper man I think 16:20 or something to that effect 16:20 <@Umby> that last line sounded funnier in my head honestly 16:23 The unlimited message glitch effects xnh too as well 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 892 points, T:1224, killed by a bugbear 16:24 https://imgur.com/a/iyen8PI 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5330 16:26 so in this instance there's actually no way to prompt to the next line of the message as far as I can tell 16:27 spacebar and enter will just keep relaying the infinite message and esc will simply cancel out 16:27 jonathanhanes: I haven't really been following that glitch, is the fix in vanilla yet? 16:27 I don't think so 16:27 Is there anyone who likes sokoban? :-\ 16:27 I was told something was in the works last week 16:27 but haven't heard anything new since 16:28 if it's in the process of being fixed I'm not going to worry a ton about it right now. too much on my plate 16:28 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the tourist of groovejumper, the former Excursionist, on T:10851 16:29 I haven't run into a situation yet where it's game breaking 16:29 <{Demo}2> is it a curses bug? 16:29 someone smarter than me should be able to answer that 16:29 <@malor> !who 16:29 @malor: [hdf-us] okmujnyhb [nh363] oh6 [nh363] IceBox [nh363] samiam [nh363] zblargles [nh363] ichbinmiah [nh363] Everdying [evil] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] Yyffii [fh] groovejumper [fh] jonathanhanes [xnh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:30 <@Umby> Sokoban is fine 16:30 <@Umby> it's the zoo that occasionally sucks a bit 16:30 running into an air E in sokobon sucks 16:30 I hate sokokban 16:30 It is so tedious 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:6173 16:31 <@malor> I like how dNethack does sokobon where the monsters don't spawn inside the "solving area". 16:31 or a chameleon poly's into an arch L 16:31 and fingers you to death 16:31 <@Umby> that's just standard RNG though 16:31 <@Umby> except more because of hoe Sokoban handles mongen 16:31 yah but it happened in sokoban 16:31 so it's sokoban's fault :P 16:32 <@Umby> obviously. 16:32 <@Umby> I had the death to an air E in Soko 16:32 <@Umby> that kicked off my string of shit Tourist deaths 16:32 <@Umby> the E death itself was understandable sorta 16:32 Malor true 16:34 <{Demo}2> bubbles play ndnh if u don't like soko 16:34 <{Demo}2> it replaces it 16:34 <@Umby> I'm fine without outside of edge cases like that piercer 16:35 <@Umby> if a monster's giving me issues in the solving area 16:35 <@Umby> it usually means that I'm dying 16:35 <@Umby> rather than it actively and significantly interfering with solves 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:17741 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (soldier ant), on T:7328 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] okmujnyhb (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1078 points, T:3010, killed by a water moccasin 16:40 <@Umby> someone actually genocided soldier ants, whew 16:41 <@Umby> they're gonna have a lot of fun once the game sets them on fire instead 16:41 :-D 16:41 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41 hmmm 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 825 points, T:2167, killed by an elf zombie 16:42 aosdict I can't throw a singular gold piece in xnh it throws the whole stack 16:42 <@Umby> damnit, you're supposed to turn undead, not turn into dead 16:42 indeed 16:42 I can however select the quantity if I open the inventory menu via * or ? 16:42 after using the throw prompt 16:42 <@Umby> indead 16:43 <@Umby> turn indead 16:43 FIQ: this is a known getobj patch bug that I haven't had much luck fixing, any ideas? 16:43 <@Umby> An orc zombie corpse; you sold it for +2 alignment points. 16:43 numeric prefixes can't be specified 16:46 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 16:56 hi 16:56 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 16:57 this was an original bug? or a result of failed merges? 17:00 I don't know either way. 17:01 I mean, all the merges have succeeded in that the patch plus the rest of the game builds and works mostly correctly 17:01 yeah but it touched a lot of things 17:01 so when DT never bothered merging it, it'd be easy for a bug to sneak in 17:02 I'll see what happens if I build the original getobj patch 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:12201 17:03 hmm 17:03 I need to ask DT something else about symbols not working as it should anyway when doing a default fallback 17:07 long hallways and ending in dead ends 17:07 name a more iconic duo 17:07 I dare you 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 381 points, T:922, killed by a land mine 17:08 maybe dead ends and searching 50 times because "you just KNOW there has to be a door here" 17:09 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 7292 points, T:860, quit 17:11 but I ought to be careful 17:11 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:11 don't want to exhaust all of DT's goodwill towards me all at once 17:11 -!- mtf has joined #hardfought 17:11 Admin lets see if this works 17:12 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 17:12 !goat admin 17:12 jonathanhanes's goat runs up and rams admin in the kneecap! Baaaaaa! 17:12 the pinging stuff? 17:12 yea 17:13 Al_somenobody: is this pinging discord user Al 17:13 -!- mtf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 <{Demo}2> why would we want that to ping 17:14 <{Demo}2> god 17:14 greedy matching? 17:14 <{Demo}2> I wondered why I was getting pinged when ppl were Demo: ing me 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:68850 17:15 nothing can stop this guy 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:68852 17:15 <{Demo}2> wait I'll just block the bot I think 17:15 WOW Grouchy has the amulet in EH 17:16 yeah. i have to say i'm not sure i understand grouchy's approach 17:16 why do you say 17:16 playing wizard in EH , my hero 17:16 s/he never tried to use fod or /od on the high priestess 17:17 so it was a long protracted fight 17:17 huh 17:17 also, i don't think grouchy is aware of dragonhide as a material 17:17 did Grouchy log out? 17:17 yes 17:17 I was about to tune in 17:17 oh well 17:17 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 1178 points, T:110, escaped 17:17 yeah well that kindof makes sense. Grouchy isn't on this IRC much 17:17 if at all? 17:18 never seen a grouchy in irc 17:18 that's kindof amazing then 17:18 I get a lot of advantages out of what gets discussed in here 17:18 yes. that's an experienced player but not so much in evilhack, although i've found grouchy bones deep in gehennom 17:19 not sure what happened with demogorgon 17:19 i don't see beholder syaing that demogorgon was killed 17:20 ah. didn't scroll back far enough 17:23 -!- Yyffii has joined #hardfought 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27573 17:25 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 3724 points, T:167, escaped 17:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:28 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 874 points, T:168, killed by a monster (guard) 17:33 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:78913 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:78914 17:35 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 17:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 17:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:41 there will be no more crazy discord nicknames that are impossible to highlight 17:41 -!- Yyffii has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41 instead everyone will be referred to by their discord username 17:41 also, no more role pings 17:41 but nick pings are still allowed 17:41 thanks @mtf 17:41 <@mtf> for sure šŸ˜„ glad we could finally get this resolved 17:41 did webhooks also learn that @Admin isn't ok? 17:41 good 17:42 <@mtf> Weird that it still not showing full discord usernames... 17:42 what do you mean? 17:43 <@Umby> gj mtf 17:43 bot shouldn't really impersonate discord users 17:43 it's kinda rude 17:43 and abuseable 17:43 at least that's what I assume it is doing 17:43 since it manages to pick my avatar 17:43 on discord side 17:43 <@mtf> I mean that it's not sending you irc folks the full username to use in your pings 17:44 why would it need to? 17:44 it's only a problem where several discord users with the same nick is around 17:44 which is rare 17:44 <@mtf> so you can ping users with spaces in their names 17:44 I don't think space is allowed in discord usernames 17:44 discord nicks yeah, but not usernames 17:44 <@mtf> but micbrans name 17:44 -!- mtf has joined #hardfought 17:45 did you ueven look at irc 17:45 @Micbran no longer has spaces 17:45 <@mtf> looking now 17:45 when he talks in here 17:45 really 17:45 instead he is referred to as Micbran 17:45 yes, see #roguelikes 17:45 lol 17:45 oh see 17:45 oh I see* 17:45 anyway discord, for some stupid reason, allows several users to share discord username 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a magenta spellbook given to him by Anhur, on T:2819 17:46 <@Micbran> He Is Henceforce Referred To As Micbran 17:46 instead they're differentiated by ID 17:46 this is the only case where nickpings become a problem now 17:46 <@mtf> that's so much better 17:46 <@mtf> sweet 17:46 this is actually what made me stop using discord-ircd 17:46 it was silently sending my PM replies from soneone to an entirely different person with the same discord username 17:47 this was *private* 17:47 <@mtf> that's excellent lol 17:47 like... seriously so 17:47 there was no major damage before I realized what was going on 17:47 <@mtf> well 17:47 but it made me promptly stop using it 17:47 <@mtf> hopefully that will no longer be an issue now 17:47 <{Demo}2> wtf 17:47 <{Demo}2> thats wild 17:48 @mtf it has nothing to do with rld 17:48 <@Umby> groce 17:48 it is strictly a discord problem 17:48 but yeah, this change should make the bot far more bearable overall 17:48 <@mtf> oh, wait, is discord-ircd a separate thing? I thought the d was a typo lol 17:48 which is nice 17:48 yeah 17:48 discord-ircd is an ircd 17:48 that works as a discord gateway 17:48 <@mtf> ahhh gotcha 17:49 <@mtf> wow that's a serious fuckup then 17:49 it allows PMs and such 17:49 Why is cthulu moiving????? 17:49 yeah but I don't really blame discord-ircd much on it 17:49 I mean, I wasn't happy, and it could really have handled it better 17:49 but I mostly blame discord for allowing it in first place 17:49 who does that 17:49 multiple users with the same username 17:49 braindead idea 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided mind flayer, on T:17989 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:79271 17:50 <@mtf> there's millions of users tho 17:50 <@mtf> kinda makes sense that some usernames woudl be shared 17:50 discord is the only place I know of that allows multiple people with the same username 17:51 keep in mind, this is username 17:51 not nickname 17:51 there is no reason to allow multiple people with the same *username* 17:51 well it differentiates them by the #123454 number 17:51 so technically they aren't the same username 17:52 but same display name? sure, why not I guess 17:52 yeah but I generally don't go around learning those numbers 17:53 <@mtf> yea, and hopefully that won't be an issue here... if it ever is, I can probably make the irc bot display the numbers for ya'll 17:53 that shouldn't be neccessary 17:58 @mtf https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc/issues/490 17:58 <@mtf> huh, he got back to me 17:59 <@mtf> guess I'll need to provide some examples 18:01 @malor: there is full documentation for slex, it's called "source code" :D in fact I would be surprised if dnethack, which is also huge, was fully documented on the wiki including everything that was added in recent versions 18:02 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 18:04 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:05 lol 18:08 but now I have to sleeeeeeeeeep, it's late and today's tour is long. see you guys! 18:08 *was long 18:08 (tomorrow's will be long too) 18:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: we need so much sleep!] 18:11 oh wow, a surviving shopkeeper in Orc Town 18:11 I've never seen that before 18:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:3687 18:13 !who 18:13 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] Hill [nh363] samiam [nh363] zblargles [nh363] mosen [nh363] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] MaxLunar [slex] groovejumper [fh] jonathanhanes [xnh] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:21 <@Umby> @AntiVirus - yeah I think that's occasionally possible now 18:24 @Umby, AntiVirus - xnethack and evilhack have an alternate orctown 18:24 ah 18:24 shopkeep barracades themselves inside their shop 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:69066 18:25 ooh! 18:25 careful dude 18:25 <@Umby> I'm aware 18:25 aosdict made it for xnethack, i brought it into evilhack 18:25 nice 18:25 <@Umby> Presumed it was one of those variants being played 18:25 yeah it was a shop "closed for inventory" 18:25 I was happy to see it 18:25 <@Umby> good thing marauding hordes of orcs have manners, innit 18:26 yeah it was a good spin on orctown 18:27 <@Umby> "Ya don' just smash down a locket door, ya zoggin' grot! Dat's bad raidin' ettakit!" 18:29 I'm so annoyed by zombies reviving near this shop and altar I am exploiting, that I am tinning them 18:30 \o/ 18:30 yeah, just like a troll 18:30 the changes to zombies in grunthack/evilhack makes tinning kits a lot more valuable 18:30 I wonder, if I was poison resistant, eating zombie corpses might actually be a good strat 18:30 heh 18:30 do i say something 18:30 nope 18:30 or let you find out the hard way 18:30 aparently you just said it dude 18:30 nice poker face 18:30 :P 18:30 lol 18:31 oh wait 18:31 hehe 18:31 i think the tins are ok to eat 18:31 but not the actual corpses 18:31 oh sure tins are always fine 18:31 in grunthack they arent 18:31 I turned them into wholesome food for children and widows 18:31 in grunthack the tins may still make you ill 18:32 ^ that 18:32 but the illness can be cured 18:32 the news will have to do an expose on these tins 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:80075 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Vampire (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 153 points, T:519, killed by a giant spider 18:41 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 18:42 @mtf perhaps this talk would make more sense in here 18:42 with more nethack developers around :P 18:43 <@mtf> Heh, maybe 18:43 K2: btw, was there a particular reason you didn't host acehack? 18:43 <@mtf> But I need to go home 18:43 I've always wanted to try deucehack, just to see exactly how good/bad the experience is 18:43 see you @mtf 18:43 <@mtf> Lets continue this convo in a bit =D 18:43 :P 18:45 Are Shayteens good pets? 18:46 @d?shayateen 18:46 shayateen (&) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 66 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -26 | Attacks: 3d4 claw physical, 3d4 claw physical, 4d6 hug vorpal | Alignment: -16 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, demon, stalker, infravisible 18:46 they are decent 18:46 but by the time you meet them, plenty of things are above their max level meaning they wont attack 18:47 Ah fair enough 18:47 I got a thing too 18:47 @d?dokkalfar eternal matriarch 18:47 dokkalfar eternal matriarch (L) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 39 | Spd: 13 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 100 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -8 | Attacks: 6d8 weapon disenchant, 6d8 weapon disenchant, 4d6 touch vampire-drain, 4d6 touch cold, 6d6 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, tunnels, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, undead 18:47 This one 18:47 Which I guess is better base level 18:48 FIQ: i wasnt aware of it at first 18:48 and i still dont know where a repo for it is 18:52 Maybe I should steal some of these monsters 18:52 https://github.com/deepy/acehack 18:54 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54 thanks 18:54 not adding it though 18:55 ha 18:55 anynway, ok 18:55 kerio dropped it 5+ years ago yeah? 18:55 alongside a bunch of other variants you've since readded, yeah 18:56 a bunch 18:56 it was like 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:80214 18:56 the reason I started playing on hdf in first place 18:56 he removed grunt and spork 18:56 and ace 18:56 i wonder why 18:57 I didn't care much for spork 18:57 but was disappointed with the removal of the other 2 18:57 actually, unlike grunt, acehack singleplayer actually doesn't have any issues 18:57 it's just... not maintained 18:57 in favour of NH4 18:58 "doesn't have any issues" as in "it is no more buggy than 3.4.3-nao" 18:58 <@rikersan> bubbles: dokkalfar are really good but be very careful don't let it get confused 18:58 anyway I just remembered my main gripe with ace 18:58 how could I forget this 18:58 heh 18:58 <@rikersan> wait, they can turn traitor, abort mission bubbles 18:59 <@rikersan> be hella careful 19:00 http://home.fiq.se/acehack.png 19:00 this was why 19:00 s/why/my main gripe with acehack/ 19:00 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 19:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 19:00 <@rikersan> what is that? options? 19:00 yes 19:00 all of them 19:01 hahah 19:01 not enough options? 19:01 do you notice anything... wrong? 19:01 the fact that there is basically no options whatsoever, yes 19:01 yes, it was a very opinionated variant :-) 19:02 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:04 but you could set both decgraphics and ibmgraphics true 19:05 i am seeing gross packet loss between here and hardfought right now 19:05 bhaak: honestly I consider this more controversial than re-roll 19:06 -!- bubbles_nhww has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06 which was the other major thing acehack was controversial for 19:06 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06 also ping times are about 10x normal 19:06 Eh, Angband had reroll forever 19:06 Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 57, Lost = 43 (43% loss) 19:06 traceroute hothraxxa 19:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:07 yeah about to do that 19:07 i'm connected, not noticing any lag 19:07 just to hardfought.org? 19:07 I don't have any loss either 19:07 yeah, only hardfought for me 19:07 ping is steady 66ms 19:08 https://www.hardfought.org/server_status/network_tools/network_tool_hdf_us/ 19:08 looks to be in my isp's network 19:08 6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5008ms 19:08 and that's 35.171.225.134? just making sure it's the same host 19:08 70 packets, none lost 19:08 exactly 100ms ping to hardfought.org 19:08 yes same host 19:08 k 19:09 i'm dying inside bell.ca's network. you can all go about your business, nothing to see here 19:09 :) 19:09 sorry 19:10 * K2 gasps 19:11 a legit canadian 'sorry' 19:11 omgomgomg 19:11 wait a sec i'm wrong. it's this node: https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/99.82.178.222 19:12 which as you can see, belongs to amazon 19:14 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2516/source 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4005 19:16 omg 19:16 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/389c4960552442ceebd415fe4b2a48a026aa975c 19:16 "I rarely have color enabled" 19:16 i know 19:16 i had to read that twice 19:16 Yup, same. It totally threw me 19:16 color blind maybe? 19:17 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:17 no, my guess is really old school 19:17 lets make a poll 19:17 1 bitcoin each 19:17 in a pot 19:18 oh wait 1 bitcoin is like 8000 USD 19:18 I read some really Usenet postings, people were actually cheering for color support. so we are not talking 80s old school but 70s or older :-) 19:18 ok food brb 19:18 Speaking of 19:18 I was delving through some old google boards, and I found some information about MSearle5. Heā€™s been playing NetHack for literally longer than I was alive. 19:19 Which would explain some of the incredibly intricate bugfixes he posted. 19:19 took the chance and just decided to hit the floating eye. KILLED IT!! 19:19 but the damn dog ate it :( 19:19 splice bugfixes, or vanilla bugfixes I haven't heard about? 19:19 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 19:19 and blinked a few times? 19:19 does that mean dog has telepathy? 19:19 haha nice message 19:20 aosdict: Splice fixes. There was a certain one involving the black market that was absolutely ridiculous. 19:20 rebatela your dog -> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj0hv-a-ablAhUpJDQIHcFyBfMQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgiphy.com%2Fexplore%2Fwhoa&psig=AOvVaw1JOkJy-EryMt2sfJ1oqckH&ust=1571527206820108 19:21 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 19:21 https://gph.is/1nur1oW 19:21 lol 19:22 oh shit 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4792958 points, T:80327, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mosen/nethack/dumplog/1569953843.nh.html 19:22 I just got lvl ported 19:22 I'm butt nekked with nothing but a -2 sting in hand 19:23 shit hahaha 19:23 and this was going so well 19:23 congrats mosen 19:23 o/ hi all. 19:23 Hi Mark 19:23 thx rebatela 19:23 wow long game 19:23 Congrats mosen! 19:23 congrats 19:24 <@Umby> Good job, Mosen. 19:24 aosdict: yeah that surprised me a bit 19:25 he also didn't seem to be a big fan of my inventory sidebar because he want to be able to scroll it 19:25 first Hardfought ascension \o/ first valk not on local machine also :p thx all 19:25 awesome! 19:25 I suggested a solution that made sense to me, ahven't gotten a response about it yet 19:25 hardfought is the spot 19:25 OH MAN if I live through this lol 19:25 <@malor> Congratulations 19:26 sunsword for the light source? 19:26 HOOO! I made it back to my gear, I'm saved 19:27 that's gotta be not too bad dual wielding silver saber +7 19:27 <@Umby> How were you separated is the real question. 19:27 Wow, +5 ring of increase damage too? 19:27 Your damage output must have been insane. 19:28 rebatela, yes, i used all magic lamps for wishes. Also Excalibur exploded in a BoH halve way. lol. Put a cancalation wand in it i did not realized was laying in stash 19:29 AnitGulp, Death went in one hit :D but i was lucky and did not meet the other riders 19:30 eLtMosen: You one-hit death? Thatā€™s fantastic! Congrats. 19:31 Death was on 44 HP for some reason though. Question, i had the first time the Wizard appear on other planes than earth. Is that a new change in 3.6.x? 19:31 oh man, you blew your bag but kept playing. good for you 19:32 I had the Wizard appear on Water during my last game, and I totally was not prepared for it. 19:32 here we go with the mastodon mines again.. i dislike you sometimes k2 19:32 I was like WTF, i thought you are DEAD 19:32 Mastatons hit like trucks 19:33 huh, where did my shield go 19:33 eltmosen: oh exploding BoH... that's the worst 19:33 I think my dragon chucked my shield in the water lol 19:33 eltmosen: hey, you should play evilhack... It's a much easier game. If you blow up your BoH it just scatters the stuff everywhere 19:33 I even tried freezing some of it 19:33 no good 19:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Fem Law), 633290 points, T:26235, killed by an ochre jelly 19:34 eLtMosen: the wizard can reappear up until Astral, where he won't respawn 19:34 <@rikersan> @d?ochre jelly 19:34 ochre jelly (j) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 3 | Res: acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 3d6 engulf acid, 0d6 passive acid | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegan 19:34 rebatela, yes, I was sooo carefull and never had a WoC or BoT in inventory ever... until i offerd some corpses and for a while and blindly but all wands in my boh... 19:34 <@rikersan> bruh, I went from 96 to 0 in 2 hits 19:34 <@rikersan> passives 19:34 eltmosen: we've all done it... 19:34 from a jelly? wow 19:34 <@rikersan> yep 19:34 <@rikersan> that seems wack ngl 19:34 that acid tho 19:34 <@rikersan> but whatever lol 19:35 3.6. got much more difficult. i like that :p 19:35 it's only 0d6 tho 19:35 engulf is 3d6, which is serious 19:35 antivirus: i'm more worried about the gnomish wizards destroying all my burnables than the mastodon 19:35 <@rikersan> that doesn't sound right 19:35 have you gotten that minetown yet? with the zoo? 19:35 nah not yet 19:35 oh yes yes 19:35 the little cage room 19:35 i've left like quadruple bones there lol 19:36 yeah 19:36 there's usually nasties in there 19:36 I had the stupidest death there 19:36 Almost demogorgon time!!! 19:36 exaclty and then some wiseguy guard lets them out 19:36 I opened that thing, thougth I saw a garter snake in there 19:36 Thx aosdict, i once read he last appears in plane of earth somewhere 19:36 nah, not so much 19:36 it was an anaconda 19:36 I got engulfed and dead SUPER FAST 19:36 there's an anaconda and a mastodon 19:37 at least the mastodon is kind of slow 19:37 don't fuck with either one 19:37 <@rikersan> oh it's not 0d6 it's d6 lol 19:37 RUN 19:37 eLtMosen: Most of the time we the planes are quick enough turnwise that he doesnā€™t end up appearing again. 19:37 like i said, i've left quadruple bone on this levell.. keep coming back. i've gotten that mastodon down to a few hitpoints, found my bone level etc 19:37 you keep having to play the same bones? That is evil 19:38 <@rikersan> so that's an easy 10d6 I guess 19:38 this game wants to teach you something XD 19:38 AntiGulp, ha. ok. I was in the plane of air without means of levi since all pooffed with the BoH :p so yeah plenty of turns spend there. 19:39 That would explain it lol. Same thing happened to me in water, I couldnā€™t get to the portal quickly so ended up bumming around for a thousand turns. 19:39 FIQ: what was the discussion that was better moved to a place with multiple developers? 19:41 confused Ancient Pseudodragon hits like a truck! 19:41 jeezzz 19:41 In dnh is there a way to force kick a shopkeeper? 19:41 you can force attack 19:42 That will jill him 19:42 kill 19:42 And I'm no murderer 19:42 I just want my pets to smash him 19:42 there's a jaguar, tiger, giant anaconda, mastodon, and 2 mordor orcs 19:42 ah 19:42 so you want to anger him 19:42 i would never take my kids to that zoo 19:42 throw something like a potion or something weak at him like a rock 19:42 HAHAA 19:42 Usually I just kick the door in 19:43 But this pet is weird and seems to walk through walls 19:43 But then remove them as she walks through 19:43 ctrl-D kicks in vanilla 19:43 It talks in dnh 19:43 dnh is very much "we won't let you accidentally attack" 19:43 Which is a very good thing 19:43 oh 19:44 I think it defaults to "m" basically 19:44 no. that's a terrible thing 19:44 It is good! 19:44 !help 19:44 bubbles_nh: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 19:44 does it make sure you don't go in the water too? 19:44 No 19:44 oh nice touch 19:44 You're going to die. Are you sure Y/N? 19:44 The leprechaun steals your gold dagger! 19:44 i don't like that stuff 19:45 AntiVirus: thanks 19:45 yeah unexpected, but totally logical 19:45 @d?dokkalfar eternal matriarch 19:45 dokkalfar eternal matriarch (L) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 39 | Spd: 13 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 100 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -8 | Attacks: 6d8 weapon disenchant, 6d8 weapon disenchant, 4d6 touch vampire-drain, 4d6 touch cold, 6d6 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, tunnels, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, undead 19:45 in evilhack you just switch places with peacefuls. i love it actually 19:45 I bagged my gold first 19:45 or so I thought ;) 19:45 but i'm pretty sure i could kick them 19:45 how come that mob has a base level of 30 19:45 But mine is 29? 19:46 Ah the flag is "tunnels" that makes her remove walls 19:46 dammit i forgot i'm invisible. no idea where that trap was. happened at the very beginning of game 19:46 antivirus, wait until your amulet of reflection is gold 19:46 ! 19:46 oh hell no... 19:46 bubbles_nh: The monster level setting formula can sometimes put actual level 1 below base. At least in vanilla. Dunno if dnh did anything. 19:47 oh yeah... it can suck with the leprechauns 19:47 ive had that exact thing happen with the amulet 19:47 it's ok as long as you NOTICE it 19:47 dude lil basdard just stole a gold ring 19:48 Ah ok 19:48 yeah that's what they do mang 19:48 but like hothraxxa said if it's your amulet of relfection and you don't notice it until 9 floors later when medusa stones you... 19:49 riker do you know what the "forge hot" sword means in dnh? 19:49 i need to go mummy hunting or go try to toggle invisibility with that trap (whereever it is) 19:50 gee, i wonder which is less trouble... 19:50 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 19:51 !ping 19:51 JonathanHanes: Pong! 19:51 rebatela: several variants have this 19:51 introduced in NH4 to a minor degree 19:51 extended in 4k and fh, later made it into xnh and (I assume via xnh) evil 19:53 WOOO that was close 19:53 FIRE VORTEXES ARE FAST 19:53 Do the keys count as artifacts for priests of the unknown god? 19:53 D: 19:53 NH4 allowed you to displace always-peaceful monsters, 4k (iirc) extended it to all peacefuls, fh also made pets and hostile monsters able to displace them, xnh later added peaceful displacement for the player too, evil probably took it from xnh 19:53 fiq: several variants have what? gold stealing leprechauns? i like it 19:54 leppies is a vanilla feature 19:54 @d?fire vortex 19:54 fire vortex (v) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 22 | Res: fire sleep poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d10 engulf fire, 0d4 passive fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, infravisible, vegan 19:54 oh i see 19:54 spork has baddies stomp smaller monsters 19:54 yeah he engulfed me before I could drop flammable armor/bags 19:54 read scroll of tele and got out of there 19:54 bhaak: Iā€™ve always liked that change 19:55 Itā€™s silly but it feels very nethack 19:55 leprechauns don't steal gold rings in vanilla do they? maybe i've never noticed because not much stuff is gold 19:55 AntiGulp: what's sillier? a dragon being blocked by newt or a dragon stomping a newt? :-) 19:56 ok true lol 19:57 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58 You hear a low hum. You can't see through yourself anymore. YAY!! 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 782 points, T:1016, killed by a dwarf 20:01 "The nightgaunt mercilessly tickles the Nazgul." hmmm 20:01 FIQ: Leprechauns stealing gold _objects_ is not a vanilla feature. 20:02 (in vanilla, that would only be 1 random ring. Needs object materials patch to be important.) 20:05 right 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:15169 20:09 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 47255 points, T:13462, killed by a bolt of fire, while taking off clothes 20:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 18 points, T:12, killed by an exploding crystal ball 20:09 <@rikersan> interesting 20:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:12 hey at least it didn't happen at turn 30012 20:12 aosdict, so that also adds a way the game becomes easier or harder based on an early RNG roll that you can't immediately observe 20:12 (like smoky potions, and quite badly with colour alchemy) 20:13 are you talking about leprechauns stealing jewelry? 20:13 yes 20:13 it does suck when it's an amulet 20:13 if you're levitating over water using a gold ring, it might be deadly 20:13 but only (at least for me) because i won't notice it until i've moved on 20:13 yeah that would suck 20:16 leprechauns are a pita in EH because they wake up when you start killing them 20:16 <---- always has stealth and it's virtually useless in EH 20:17 <@rikersan> RIP 20:17 i guess i take for granted how stealth still helps, but man you do notice the differnence from vanilla lol 20:17 woah, got a "connection reset by peer" error connecting to hf.org 20:17 you got banned, my friend 20:17 talk to k2. he'll explain 20:17 you know you had it coming... 20:18 it's all that abuse of nymphs, isn't it? They were asking for it! 20:18 we tried to warn you 20:19 a few of the nymphs have written victim statements. you can have your day in court 20:20 oh snap... are you still doing the extinctionist thing ? 20:20 (being serious ) 20:20 Well, they stole all my clothes and left me naked. I'm the victim here! 20:20 :) 20:21 damn nymphs 20:21 yes, one stole magicbane the other night. I found it shortly after. 20:21 get off my lawn 20:21 you'd think with greased -48AC she'd have trouble getting ahold of anything 20:22 <@rikersan> do touch attacks ignore AC? 20:22 remember that bot that used to play 3.43 on nao? maybe still does? I found bones couple times where the nymph had excalibur all the armor etc. really deep in dungeon. 20:22 it would seem so. 20:23 <@malor> !who 20:23 @malor: [hdf-us] bouquet [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] rikersan [dnh] k2 [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:23 rebatela: I have 25 geno scrolls that I'm holding onto if I get too bored. I'm 165k turns in with nothing genocided. I'm still summoning grid bugs 20:24 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:24 haha. yeah well, i'm WATCHING you do this on friday night. so I'm the bigger loser 20:25 rofl 20:25 usually when i say something like that someone tells me it's tuesday morning and i go to bed 20:26 Friday night is Nethack night! 20:26 holla 20:27 why only -48AC? I mean, i know that's great and all but you have +4 gear after 200k turns or whatever? cmon 20:27 hm. tone is not streaming 20:28 aosdict: Ah, sorry 20:28 ahhhh THAT'S what i usualy do on friday nights! 20:29 surely you know drain life 20:29 only -48 because protection rings aren't edible. 20:29 yeah but aren't you praying? 20:30 tons. Thats how I got to -48. I think I'm at about -14 naked. 20:30 ok cool 20:30 I know I could go much further, but I'm too busy summoning 20:30 right 20:30 summon, offer, repeat is down on dlvl 5 or 19 :) 20:30 i've never camped for that long, but i love getting protection from praying on altar. that and spellbooks. god can keep it's crappy weapons 20:31 Or I could just start reading all the geno scrolls and get to the archon storm 20:31 i know we've already talked about this, but you read that reddit post from a little while back. Are you following that dude's strategy ? 20:31 I forget what he did now 20:32 but it involved using all the paper he could possibly make to try and geno as much as possible first 20:32 i thinl 20:32 k 20:32 Will pets not wear rings? 20:32 i believe they will 20:32 yup 20:32 i mean... a dog wont' 20:32 have to have hands 20:33 ya, I'm on dlvl 1 summoning everything there until nothing else shows up 20:33 problem is I gorged on W's and got to lvl 30 pretty fast after getting the Eye 20:33 She won't put it on :-( 20:33 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34 I'm trying to go genoless, but that's just dumb. But here we are... 20:34 <@rikersan> can you equip them forcibly in evilhack? 20:34 Ah well 20:34 ohhhhh i get it 20:34 you haven't read geno at all 20:34 @rikersan forcibly? 20:35 <@rikersan> dnh lets you #equip pets with cursed gear and stuff even if they won't normally wear it 20:35 oh i see 20:35 no 20:35 <@rikersan> it's not always a bad idea to curse an asc kit and give it to them so they can't take it off 20:35 but #give exists 20:35 <@rikersan> (otherwise they're stupid and will drop dsm for plate mail sometimes) 20:36 ya. I'm usually quick to geno L, then h. I'm really doing this as a side effort to more exciting action in UnNethack. 20:37 I can#t #equip 20:38 For whatever reason 20:38 I asked Chris and he said just to throw stuff to them 20:38 that seems cruel to put cursed gear on your pet 20:38 what if they get itchy or something? It's stuck? just wrong.. 20:38 I also can't find the handmirror... 20:38 not sure how some of y'all sleep at night 20:39 It's supposed to be in the neutral quest, before lethe? 20:39 if you wear your armour too long, you'll get crotch rot 20:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:39 specifically, the galloping crotch rot 20:39 <@rikersan> bubbles: use #equip for armor 20:40 <@rikersan> doesn't work with weps, but it works with "equippables" 20:40 <@rikersan> other than weps :p 20:40 Doesn't seem to want to do it but it's fine 20:40 She's at -29 current 20:40 Just wanted to give a ring of aclarity 20:41 <@rikersan> don't think that works on rings 20:41 Steve picks up a candied pit fiend egg. Steve drops a candied pit fiend egg. 20:41 I mean this is an insane pet 20:41 When it goes traitor I am so screwed... 20:41 <@rikersan> yeah no I'd stash her somewhere out of the way 20:41 If only I could find that damn mirror 20:41 <@rikersan> preferably like the lost tomb or somewhere you don't go 20:41 Never! 20:41 She will defeat demogorgon by my side!!! 20:42 <@rikersan> she's going to get stunned and confused 20:42 i think i ascended with those pit viper eggs.. i kept them in an icebox the whole game and brought them to astral and then i think i totally forgot about them. 20:42 <@rikersan> and then your'e going to die in two ways at once 20:43 It's weird because she is happy to use an amulet 20:43 riker sounds fun! 20:43 <@rikersan> :p 20:43 <@rikersan> yeah I think it just isn't implemented that's all 20:44 <@rikersan> you could ask @ChrisANG about it 20:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 508 points, T:1819, killed by a giant mimic 20:44 I am more worried about the mirror to be hoenst 20:44 I need that to do the ritual as far as I know? 20:45 thats all for tonight. gnite all (early day tomorrow) 20:45 peace 20:45 nn k2 20:48 rebatela: well in its own extremely subcultural way, pit fiend eggs have gone viral 20:49 I want a t-shirt that says "Pit Fiend Eggs are my Extreme Subculture Fetish" 20:50 ... no. 20:51 aosdict: i've never been more proud 20:51 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 20:52 hahahaa at the t-shirt. oh man 20:52 my cat is looking at me funny. she clearly is out of the loop, but i'm cracking up 20:54 i wanted it to go away, ya know... jerks wouldn't stop making fun of me because i confuse the two pit monsters in the whole dumb game 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24951 21:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23 Longworms take up too much space https://i.imgur.com/zrplJTO.png 21:25 <@Umby> So, you could say reba's unenviable position is... 21:25 <@Umby> ...the pits. 21:25 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 3357 points, T:401, killed by a titan 21:25 <@rikersan> hm 21:26 <@rikersan> that's also interesting 21:26 <@Umby> Someone got cheeky and ID'd a wand of polymorph the hard way. 21:27 <@Umby> Oh, wait. That was you. 21:27 <@Umby> Ha. 21:27 <@Umby> Hm. 21:27 <@Umby> !lastgame rikersan 21:27 @Umby: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1571443861.dnh.txt 21:27 <@rikersan> nope 21:27 <@Umby> Curious now. 21:27 <@rikersan> treasure vault that had a titan in it 21:27 <@rikersan> sometimes I'll get lucky and they'll have a balrog or something slow in them 21:27 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 21:29 <@Umby> So that can happen on floor 1? 21:29 aosdict: I often get endless logspam in xnh. Right now endlessly repeating "Hello bouquet, welcome to xNetHack! You are a chaotic female orcish barbarian". 21:29 curses mode? 21:29 often? 21:29 curses. 21:29 known bug 21:30 <@rikersan> umby: yeah you have to dig into the vault after figuring out there is one 21:30 cool, just making sure 21:30 <@rikersan> there's no passive message, I just mapped it + found a mattock on dlvl 1 21:30 possibly the devteam fixed it a few hours ago? 21:30 sounds like a good time on a friday night 21:32 * aosdict pulls vanilla, gets merge conflicts, is again distracted from tnnt stuff 21:34 hey K2, welcome to the "people who have authored commits in vanilla nethack" club! 21:42 Is Lance of Longinus worth a wish? 21:42 For slotless drain res? 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22254 21:46 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 21:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:59 OOPS 22:00 I found a vault in Slex that was adjacent to a corridor, so you could follow the guard out, wait for him to disappear, then run back in and escape with the gold. 22:00 would it be possible to manipulate long worm movement until you fill out the entire level 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3805 points, T:2424, killed by a housecat 22:00 do they have maximum length 22:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:04 Adeon: Yeah, 32 or something. 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:27690 22:04 [citation needed] 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:27743 22:08 disgusting 22:08 let us lobby devteam to remove the limit 22:16 they won't do it. gotta look out for those players on systems with 64KB of RAM 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] AgentOfAntinous (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) murdered Gerard, his faithful kitten, on T:135 22:17 The best kept secret of NetHack is that the codebase is 1% game, and 99% long worm fault handling. 22:17 lol 22:17 Snakehack? 22:18 I don't see such a limit, and I think I've seen longer worms than that too. 22:18 There are so many weird cases where youā€™re like ā€œwait, why is this here,ā€ and then you read a comment referring to long worms. Thatā€™s not even mentioning the entire file ā€œworm.cā€ for handling them. 22:19 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:20 When I was enumerating monster species for a new tnnt achievement, I was off by one for a while... wait, "long worm tail" is a monster. 22:21 Does dnh cthulu drop any good loot? 22:21 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22 And is it worth messing with him? 22:22 <@rikersan> bubbles absolutely not lmao the lance sucks 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4308 22:22 <@rikersan> and no don't poke him 22:22 <@rikersan> get the mirror and probably hit up the unknown gods 22:22 I finished the unknown gods 22:22 Cleared all the other quests 22:22 But I can't find the mirror? 22:24 Hmm 22:24 Well he came after me to be fair 22:24 <@rikersan> ya just don't be next to him when he rezzes 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] zblargles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:28840 22:24 <@rikersan> he works like a rider 22:25 So where on earth/in this dungeon is my mirror? 22:25 Also miska + martial arts is hilarious 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:16297 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4734 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14691 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 31480 points, T:14749, killed by an energy vortex 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5476 22:30 rikersan sorry for nagging - does the mirror always spawn somewhere reasonable? 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:24739 22:41 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6303 points, T:5409, killed by a fire vortex 22:43 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:44 bubbles_nh: Yeah, the mirror always spawns on an altar. 22:44 Chris_ANG: Message from bubbles_nhww at 2019-10-18 13:37 EDT: there is a bug where if I open a door to a shop and stand 1 tile away from the angered shopkeeper (intentionally hit to make angry) so I can just spam "Shape the Wind", the shopkeeper won't ever zap me with his wands 22:44 Chris_ANG: Message from bubbles_nhww at 2019-10-18 13:40 EDT: Also is a tame Weeping Angel intended to contaminate me? 22:45 Do you know about the... two altars in hidden rooms? 22:45 Oh 22:45 I thought I had checked all the altars! 22:45 I shall check again 22:45 Thanks Chris_ANG :-) 22:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 163 points, T:1116, killed by a sewer rat 22:46 <@rikersan> bubbles: general strat is to potion of obj det them 22:47 I really should do that 22:47 <@rikersan> yes, I believe tame weeping angels should contaminate you (it's a passive from them existing, just like medusa I'd say) 22:47 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 22:48 !lastgame AntiVirus 22:48 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AntiVirus/evilhack/dumplog/1571424273.evil.html 22:48 freaking fire vortex 22:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 2148 points, T:541, quit 22:50 <@Umby> Some luck, huh 22:50 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634946409778511883/Screenshot_2019-10-18_at_22.50.08.png 22:53 dang, thats harsh 22:57 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 22:57 Ahh I betit's int he bottom left 22:57 Which means killing cthulu again 22:57 ._. 22:57 <@rikersan> he's fine just fight from range 22:58 I oneshot him in melee 22:58 so I just wait for him to come to me then smash him 22:58 Oh I wonder how much exp he gives 22:59 <@rikersan> a lot :) 22:59 is it worth farming to get my 30? 22:59 Seems pretyt low risk 22:59 <@rikersan> doubtful 23:00 <@rikersan> it's hella boring and one misstep will screw you 23:00 <@rikersan> what level are you now? 23:00 <@rikersan> and did you fight the flayers manually or geno h 23:00 28 23:00 Nah fight them all 23:00 You've seen my yolo approach 23:01 <@rikersan> well don't next time 23:01 <@rikersan> bc they spawn with hella potions 23:01 <@rikersan> inc like 5 gain level avg 23:01 <@rikersan> :p 23:01 They were at about 27 last time 23:01 Still oneshot-able 23:01 Oh the mindflayers were lower actually 23:01 The deeper ones were getting higher level 23:02 Which is good because my pet can only level up off high level stuff 23:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2718 23:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2514 points, T:2847, killed by a priest of Quetzalcoatl 23:04 <@rikersan> I don't think plastic works lmao 23:04 <@rikersan> try mithril next time if you want lightish and unrustable, also try bone if you want hella light (?) 23:04 Sadly 23:04 Or wool actually 23:05 then I get cold and heat res? 23:05 <@rikersan> can't do wool 23:05 Ah ok 23:05 <@rikersan> not a material 23:05 <@rikersan> it's a property 23:05 <@rikersan> cloth woolen = wool, metal shows as wool-lined 23:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 50 points, T:128, killed by a goblin 23:07 Can I wish for that? 23:08 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:08 Also how does DR actually work? 23:08 Is it subtractive? 23:08 I.e. if I have DR >4 for every part, and cthulu does 100d4, can he actually hurt me? 23:08 <@rikersan> you want more DR 23:08 <@rikersan> yes he can 23:09 <@rikersan> I do'nt know how but it's not just simple subtraction 23:09 Ah okey dokey 23:09 But more is betterer 23:09 <@rikersan> yes 23:09 <@rikersan> you CAN wish for a +5 dragonhide cloak of protection 23:09 <@rikersan> which is like a stupid about of AC/DR (10/11?) at +7 23:09 <@rikersan> (cloaks of protecc can go to 7 in dnh) 23:11 It's 100d4 - 4, not 100d(4-4) :p 23:12 Ie, 4 DR reduces cthulhu's average damage from 250 to 246. 23:12 <@rikersan> lmao 23:12 <@rikersan> that makes more sense 23:12 <@rikersan> after 11 it randomizes right 23:12 If you get more than 10 points it begins randomizing like old AC, right. 23:12 <@rikersan> so it's - 11 + rnd(dr - 11) 23:13 10 + rnd(10), but it only kicks in after 11 points of DR because 10 + 1d1 = 11. 23:13 Er 23:13 10 + rnd(dr - 10) 23:14 <@rikersan> ah I see 23:14 <@rikersan> coolio 23:22 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 23:31 Well shit my pet has just disappeared 23:31 <@rikersan> leveporter? 23:31 Thonk so 23:32 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32 MR 99 I thought was supposed to save against that 23:32 Well she's going to be a nice surprise for me somewhere!! 23:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33 Chris_ANG: after Miska wore off I can't use #twoweapon anymore 23:33 even though I have basic in it 23:34 <@rikersan> that is intentional 23:34 <@rikersan> and nope mr 99 does NOT help with that 23:34 <@rikersan> you need player MR for that (cloak of mr preferably?) 23:34 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 23:37 ugggh 23:37 I had one for him as well 23:37 her 23:38 <@rikersan> RIP 23:38 <@rikersan> I'd suggest tracking her down reasonably quick 23:38 <@rikersan> though tenebrous's echoes might work on her 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30700 23:39 Chromatic dragon is hard or not? 23:40 <@rikersan> very 23:40 <@rikersan> you can skip 23:40 But I want his skin! 23:40 <@rikersan> has hella good loot tho if you want 23:40 or her 23:40 <@rikersan> her 23:40 I will punch her 23:40 <@rikersan> no 23:40 <@rikersan> ward and punch 23:40 <@rikersan> boulder fort the upstairs works 23:41 I punched 23:41 Also jester's mirth 23:41 A literal lol! 23:41 And shape the wind can tank for several turns too 23:41 <@rikersan> oh yeah I forgot mirth 23:41 <@rikersan> lol 23:41 <@rikersan> and you got over eurynome I see 23:42 Yeah 23:42 I don't know how I did it with . before :-` 23:43 <@rikersan> lol 23:43 oh fuck a lethe elemental 23:44 What the heck? I have flying boots on but fell into water 23:44 And have water walking... 23:44 <@rikersan> dagon 23:44 <@rikersan> he has 3d water 23:44 <@rikersan> like the plane of water 23:45 Ah 23:45 Well 23:45 So is there no way to cross other than swimming? 23:46 <@rikersan> the water itself? nope 23:46 <@rikersan> the level has a path tho 23:46 <@rikersan> leads to the top left, where dagon is on top of the downstairs 23:47 <@rikersan> the castle above the upstair is mostly empty 23:47 Why does ctrl-move put me into the water? 23:47 I thought it was supposed to stop before 23:47 <@rikersan> bugs 23:47 <@rikersan> be careful 23:47 <@rikersan> I've died like that to autotravel on dagon's lair, on the asc run :/ 23:48 <@rikersan> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikerw/dnethack/dumplog/1506731558.dnh.txt 23:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought