00:06 !tell larienTelrunya in my slex experience, it's easier to accidentally convert yourself than to convert an altar 00:06 No worries, bug_sniper, I've got this! 00:31 <@luxidream> !who 00:31 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] Grouchy [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:51858 01:08 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 01:11 !ping 01:11 JonathanHanes: Pong! 01:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 3269 points, T:2216, killed by a vampire lord, while sleeping off a magical draught 02:11 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:43 <@luxidream> !who 02:43 @luxidream: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh363] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:44 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4900 03:01 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4801 03:17 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11621 03:28 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:54 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:01 What do you want to read? [etxT or ?*] 05:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:28 K2: does sickness res prevent zombification? 05:30 !who 05:30 FIQ: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] Everdying [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 05:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:16779 05:44 K2: did you make newts stop buzzing? 05:44 I have yet to have a single buzz from eating newts 05:44 and I've played evilhack plenty 05:46 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:48 Is it just me or does evil have a habit of creating wide corridors? 05:48 It happens in vanilla sometimes, but not nearly as often 05:48 ooh I got a buzz 05:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:52 rip mines 05:52 too much water 05:56 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:05 <@Plisp> rip 06:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19203 06:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:20434 06:38 Tangles: is there a master curses branch you are using? 06:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:41 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:45 Immediately, Juiblex. 06:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:21543 06:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633979336697053184/unknown.png 06:49 Why was Juiblex here? 06:51 I hadn't even fought anything yet. 07:07 Who summoned Orcus on Asmodeus's level? 07:09 FIQ: i didnt mess with newts and them giving you a buzz 07:11 Probably a lich 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:21629 07:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:23721 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:26190 07:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:24733 07:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:08 <@FIQ> @K2 are luckstones magical? Is a gray stone that isn't touch or load always a flint stone if not magical for Wiz? 08:15 bhaak: since curses was merged into vanilla, I'm treating the devteam's repo as "master". Although, the hardfought branch on my repo (which is what K2 builds 3.6.3-hdf from has a couple of extra features that the DT never merged). 08:16 ugh I put the ')' in the wrong place on that one, but you know what I mean. 08:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "the blessed greased fixed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:22666 08:18 yeah :) 08:18 okay, thanks 08:18 For updates to 3.4.3 variants, I try to make changes to my 3.4.3-nao repo first, then cherry-pick the commits to the others (un, spork, grunt), and I usually make a PR for dnh and slex since we don't maintain hdf-specific forks of those. 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:22826 08:20 The walls around you begin to bend and crumble! You drown the ogre king. 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28397 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28398 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed spellbook of identify", on T:22890 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20486 08:27 Hm, blessed Amulet of Yendor. 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:51885 08:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) averted death, on T:26489 08:37 @FIQ anything flagged as magical in objects.c will show as 'magical' to a wizard 08:38 wizards have a sense of what objects are magical just as priests automatically know whats blessed/uncursed/cursed 08:38 ^ from grunthack 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:23486 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23488 08:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) was given the Shield of the Resolute Heart, on T:27125 08:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:27191 08:48 <@FIQ> I get the impression when playing that AoY usually generates cursed 08:48 riker: I am in the UK 08:48 <@FIQ> Probably just confirmation bias 08:49 <@FIQ> Need to play some roguelikes on my phone 08:49 <@FIQ> To figure out a good control UI 08:49 Make everything use "apply" 08:50 with a secondary "apply - extended" for all the non-primary actions! 08:52 apply longsword on goblin 08:53 Stethoscope is not magical right? 08:59 <@FIQ> jonadab: If I were to remove price identification but make ID scrolls always identified, would this be a good change? 09:00 how would you remove it? 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 darts on an altar, on T:3520 09:00 shopkeep wont tell you what he buys them for until he does 09:00 <@FIQ> By making item prices use a fixed value per item class while unidentified 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52530 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52533 09:01 <@FIQ> Probably worst case because shopkeepers are greedy 09:01 FUCK I just polymorphed my deva 09:01 i think shopkeepers should lower their prices once you're powerful enough to just bash their head in 09:02 money isnt really a problem at that point anyway. just some goodwill from their side you know 09:07 They should just give you the money at that point 09:08 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:27977 09:10 i mean if you come by with a blade covered in all demon princes blood youd think he's willing to pay a little tribute 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4275 09:12 blessed geno in dnh, any good targets? 09:14 L is still a good target. I don't know if people do that first, though. 09:15 Shoggoths and nightgaunts are typical single-target genocides. 09:15 okey dokey 09:15 I think I might have got shoggoths already 09:15 Nope, I lie 09:19 Oops I just removed curse on the unholy sword 09:19 If I curse it will it be unholy again? 09:21 Chris_ANG: Also I have some uncursed water that won't stacak 09:23 Yeah, it'll be unholy again. It still has the property, it's just not active if it's not cursed. 09:23 <@Umby> Hey there 09:23 Possibly stolen vs. not, or generally more fully IDed. 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "Blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:4357 09:24 <@Umby> What a relevant message 09:24 Chris_ANG: I have cast identify on them as well 09:24 <@Umby> My wizard just got a wand of wishing in Sokoban 09:24 Umby noice 09:24 As a Binder you will eventually have unlimited free ID, for now just use the smaller stack up first.. 09:25 Yeah will do, just weird 09:25 Even after blessing/cancellation 09:25 <@Umby> I'm thinking the usual SDSM, blessed MKoT 09:25 <@Umby> Actually, magic marker first, then SDSM, then MKoT 09:27 <@Umby> don't think I have any blessed blank scrolls though 09:27 <@Umby> but I can wait for that I figure 09:28 <@Umby> Oh wait I do I'm dumb 09:28 <@Umby> blessed charging here we come 09:28 <@Umby> fuck! 09:28 <@Umby> 1 in 3 didn't pan 09:28 <@Umby> ah well 09:29 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 <@Umby> nbd, just need one potion of holy water later 09:29 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 09:31 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 09:34 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 342 points, T:1293, killed by a kitten 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:25682 09:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:28809 09:47 * Andrio still has about 7 wishes left 09:50 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:53 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:53 Andrio: ice box + booze 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:1814 09:57 Death is making a run for it 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 262 points, T:1436, killed by a bat 10:03 <@FIQ> Got a PM on a site, "Hi)), I'm young hot attractive lonely kitty" 10:03 Aww 10:03 <@FIQ> Was tempted to mock the spammer "sorry but I'm not a cat" 10:03 <@luxidream> Tripe ration 10:03 <@FIQ> But that'd probably just encourage them 10:06 Gratz andrio 10:06 Thanks. ^^ 10:06 congrats Andrio! 10:07 <@luxidream> Congrats, Andrio 10:07 <@Umby> GG Andy 10:07 <@Umby> Also if it's a spammer odds are they won't respond anyway 10:09 <@FIQ> Or never stop trying to get me to do whatever their ultimate purpose wants 10:10 <@luxidream> FIQ: I’ve said this before but it eliminates any strategy to the ID game by removing price classes 10:10 what is even the hate for the ID minigame 10:10 i liked it a lot 10:10 randomizing ID game just lowers the skill cap 10:11 <@luxidream> people dislike the “tedium” of price ID 10:11 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11 <@luxidream> even though it takes hardly any time 10:11 theres more tedious things 10:12 <@luxidream> It’s funny because people hate mazes, but from my experience, open gehennom levels are slower to navigate 10:12 <@luxidream> because of all the fighting you have to do 10:13 Not to explore though 10:13 if theyd replace mazes though, what would they put in their place? 10:13 just more regular dungeon levels? 10:13 And you can still teleport past all that. 10:13 and dig 10:13 and magic map 10:13 Maybe reduce monster spawning in the open levels? 10:13 if they're unmappable, undiggable and non-teleport... i could see what they mean 10:14 <@luxidream> I’m talking about fourk and dyna that have open, mines style gehennom 10:14 Thankfully, they are not. 10:14 (also UnNetHack) 10:14 or worse, that you get hit with some amnesia effect every time you leave them so they're always unmapped 10:14 ; 10:15 Which does the same thing with the levels between Medusa and Castle 10:16 xnh has the best gehennom layout 10:16 gehennom should look like in xnh 10:16 What does that do? 10:17 <@riker> this is why dnh is nice, it has very few non special levels in gehennom 10:17 <@luxidream> It just puts random rooms scattered throughout the maze. I don’t particularly like it 10:17 you still have the maze, but the walls have holes and there are rooms every now and then 10:17 its really great for movement things 10:17 <@riker> only mazes are the first 5 and the wiz tower/ fake wiz tower 10:17 moving/hiding 10:18 Repeated public announcement: the developer of xnethack does not particularly like its gehennom, though of course it's better than vanilla 10:18 ah 10:18 <@riker> lol 10:18 Kinda like the Catacombs then? 10:18 <@riker> anything is better than vanilla 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 380 points, T:2131, killed by a giant bat 10:18 Woooo 10:18 Killed the big L 10:19 <@Tone> What does it mean that the walls have holes? Are there more pathways than vanilla? 10:19 <@riker> acererak bubbles? 10:19 Yeah :-) 10:19 @Tone yes 10:19 <@riker> hm no livelog? 10:20 Weird no livelog 10:20 ... 10:20 what did you expect? 10:21 riker any good spirits for the pen? 10:21 Currently have eve in there in case I need to shooty shooty 10:21 <@Tone> 3.6 has some wider maze corridors and allows "loops" in the mazes which is an improvement over 343 gehennom 10:21 <@riker> marionette is good for damage with high str 10:21 <@riker> enki is really nice tho 10:21 <@riker> I generally do enki and echidna I think 10:22 Why is enki so nice? 10:22 Because no resists? 10:22 <@riker> ya very few 10:22 <@riker> same for echidna 10:22 3.6 gehennom is better but still not good 10:22 I mainly spellcast, so not too worried about damage on it 10:22 <@riker> you'll want enki bound to you for the asc run tho 10:22 Prefer utility 10:22 <@riker> paimon? 10:23 <@riker> paimon and buer then 10:23 Paimon is just energy right? 10:23 But I think I use less energy if I cast and eat rather than hit 10:23 Not sure 10:24 <@riker> he gives 4 energy per hit 10:24 <@riker> buer and marionette could be nice 10:25 <@riker> polearm pen + double str bonus and healing on hit 10:27 mmm 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 125 points, T:678, killed by a dagger 10:27 <@Tone> I'm not sure what tweaks I'd make to gehennom at this point. Probably make vlad's tower easier to find (maybe give it its own prefab level), and maybe remove mazes from the wiztower and fake wiztower levels or something to make a few more floors easy to navigate 10:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:28 I'm working (nominally) on a new level generator to make it feel like a proper "home of demons" hellscape 10:29 hmm 10:29 <@Tone> What would that look like? 10:30 magical iron lamp 10:30 do they still make djinnis? 10:30 aosdict: I may or may not steal it once you're done 10:30 I assume you've seen the existing alternatives already 10:31 "You feel the chill of death lessen" ? 10:31 FIQ thats a magic lamp 10:31 Vanilla 3.4.3, Vanilla 3.6, Grunt, Un+Dyna, FIQ+xnh, Old Fourk, Fourk 10:31 and yes they do 10:32 err 10:32 Vanilla 3.4.3, Vanilla 3.6, Grunt, Un+Dyna, FIQ+xnh, Old Fourk, Fourk, dNetHack 10:32 material doesnt affect djinni chances or behavior 10:32 Are the different Gehennom level generation approaches I've seen 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4071 points, T:4501, killed by touching The Master Key of Thievery 10:33 FIQ: vanilla, grunt, un, xnh yes. Don't think I've visited in fourk but that's aiscav right? Not all too psyched about aiscav 10:33 as for dnh, nope 10:34 <@Umby> Fucking fuck 10:34 what's aiscav? 10:34 <@Umby> Just lost my wizard trying to make sacrifices and ended up creating a bunch of coautls 10:34 <@Umby> E didn't work, crushed before I could get escape items 10:34 ais523 caverns I assume 10:35 <{Demo}2> what are those? 10:35 <{Demo}2> are those what grunt uses? 10:35 3.4.3 uses mazes as filler everywhere, 3.6 also has some maze levels replaced with a corridor-style view, Grunt uses a very cavernous generation which requires a lot of digging with lava, Un+Dyna uses mines-style levels with occasional openings in walls into a "sea" of lava, FIQ+xnh creates special rooms (usually open, sometimes closed) in the mazes, Old Fourk is similar to 3.4.3 except mazes can be much 10:35 wider, Fourk uses "aiscav" with progressively more distorted terrain the deeper you are 10:35 dNetHack completely remodels Gehennom and to this day is IMO the best Gehennom layout 10:36 <@riker> bubbles morgul shards 10:36 xnethack gehennom is pretty cool 10:36 <@riker> weeping angel contamination style, abuses con cha wish slowly 10:36 <{Demo}2> dnh gehennom now has xnh gehennom i think 10:36 why 10:36 unnethack + dynahack use sporkhack's mines-style levels with lava, yes. but only for the filler levels 10:36 I liked dnh gehennom as it was 10:36 <@riker> cured by blessed full healing or blessed starlight 10:36 <{Demo}2> its the same as before 10:36 bhaak: so does evilhack 10:36 <{Demo}2> but the mazes now have xnh rooms 10:36 ah 10:37 <{Demo}2> they might not be xnh rooms 10:37 that can only be agood thing 10:37 riker even in bag? 10:37 <{Demo}2> but same concept 10:37 *a good thing 10:37 IMO 10:37 those mostly appear after medusa, afterwards they are rarer. there, a slightly modified version of the heck^2 levels appear 10:38 ah, mkaiscav is based on that POC perl code from ais 10:38 <@riker> bubbles you gotta quaffr them lol 10:39 <@riker> you get it from being hit by the stilettos nazgul carry 10:40 quaffr? 10:41 hmm, they look differently than I remember from ais' code 10:42 how are they from a gameplaying perspective? 10:43 They work well enough. It's an improvement over vanilla, but that's a fairly low bar 10:44 <{Demo}2> I want a weird minor demon prison level 10:44 <@riker> quaff 10:44 <{Demo}2> or weird minor demon prison special features 10:44 <{Demo}2> idk 10:44 <@riker> cures 1pt of morgul 10:45 a balrog of morgoth 10:45 (what did you say?) 10:45 umm 10:45 ... 10:45 ok so whoever made the 3-line curses in 3.6 10:46 decided to put the status problems on line 2 still 10:46 which defeats the entire purpose 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30165 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:30169 10:47 riker the moonlight pots you mean? 10:50 <@riker> yep bubbles 10:51 <@riker> potion of starlight, a dimly shining potion 10:51 <@riker> also do not go past there without very good AC and dps 10:51 <@riker> the angband orcs a couple levels up will annihilate you and jack your morgul up 10:52 <@riker> gonna dip for a couple hours tho, gl! 10:53 I smashed them a bit 10:53 And killed them all 10:54 The cursed shard from morgoth's crown... hmm 10:57 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:58 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 11:02 Chris_ANG: where is the code for the spirit powers? 11:02 Trying to work out what this new seal does 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:31689 11:02 (not that I can bind it yet, I guess I need a garden??) 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a dust vortex, on T:28203 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:53379 11:06 hmm 11:07 Evil seems to have cooperative telepathy 11:07 cool 11:07 <@riker> bubbles - spell.c 11:07 <@riker> that's a 5d20 holy and a 5d20 silver touch attack 11:07 <@riker> buffs pets if used on them 11:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08 <@riker> (the two trees right) 11:08 Yeppers 11:08 Ace thanks 11:09 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:09 riker where would I look up the passives/taboo? 11:12 The ancient pseudodragon looks healthy 11:13 <@riker> none for align quest 11:13 <@riker> check wiki for others 11:15 <@riker> well the align taboo is to try to bind another align spirit 11:15 <@riker> for all of them 11:16 Ah makes sense 11:16 The wiki doesn't mention these ones 11:16 I guess the new chaos quests are not updated? 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:53399 11:27 I don#t need to kill axus do I? 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 155 points, T:784, killed by a fox 11:32 K2: can I feed pets corpses for trinsics? 11:32 yes 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26182 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:26185 11:33 there's a minor bug - example: if pet already has poison res naturally and they eat a corpse that can give poison res, they still get the message 'feels healthy' 11:33 like your pseudodragon did earlier 11:34 how do I feed them corpses? 11:34 I have telepathy 11:34 I have this floating eye corpse 11:34 I want to give my pet it 11:34 when its hungry, it'll eat 11:34 ah 11:34 I wanted to give them it right away 11:34 this thing will rot beforehand :P 11:35 i set up a condition so if a pets hungry timer is high enough, its not 'hungry' and wont eat everything in sight 11:35 is the oracle useful in evil beyond vanilla? 11:36 yes 11:36 cool 11:36 it has something 11:37 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37 <{Demo}2> something that begs to be abused :P 11:38 <{Demo}2> via a lot of potential bugs that could crop up in other parts of the game that could allow for it 11:38 !8ball will FIQ guess what the Oracle has? 11:38 K2: Concentrate and ask again 11:38 !8ball will FIQ guess what the Oracle has? 11:38 K2: Without a doubt 11:38 {Demo}2 like what 11:38 <{Demo}2> its something good to do if you get certain kinds of bug and dont have anything better to do with it 11:39 <{Demo}2> if you can manage to consistently be able to 0 turn apply 11:39 <{Demo}2> cause something somewhere breaks that potentially allows for that 11:39 <{Demo}2> and ofc if you can somehow predict rng enough you can use that as well 11:40 or just make it so doing that something always takes a turn 11:40 no matter what 11:40 nomul(); i guess 11:41 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 11:42 one day my internet will not be poo. 11:43 K2: I assume you're aware of the fact that the increase of the artiwish allowance drastically increases a player's chance to artiwish in gneeral, right? 11:43 I mean even assuming 1 arti is always generated already 11:43 i set it back to normal 11:43 Ah, ok 11:43 and the something the oracle has is excluded 11:44 K2: Can I make it so that a change of an attribute keeps the color it happens to be, but underlines it? 11:44 maybe? I never mess with attribute colors 11:44 OPTIONS=hilite_status: characteristics/changed/normal&underline 11:44 This one still makes it gray 11:45 i didnt change any of that behavior in evilhack - that's all vanilla 11:45 I wasn't asking about evilhack specifically 11:45 ah 11:45 But I haven't used status_hilites until now 11:45 short answer - i dont know 11:45 I made them colorize based on bonuses 11:45 so I don't have to remember the cutoff points 11:46 st shows damage bonus, dx to-hit, co HP/level, ch price modifier 11:46 ah 11:46 I don't know what to do with in and wi 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:26558 11:46 i only color pw/hp/gold and statuses 11:47 the colors being black/orange/red/brown/yellow/lightgreen/green/cyan/lightcyan/lightblue/blue/magenta/lightmagenta/white 11:47 for -4 to +9 11:48 I also colorize xp as percentages until next level 11:48 oh thats cool 11:48 with the same color wheel, starting from black to lightblue 11:49 I could perhaps use all of the colors but that would mean less straightforward numbers (since you'd end up with x/14% insteadd of simple x/10%) 11:52 K2: out of curiousity, what did you base the branch colors on? 11:52 cyan Sokoban is a new one 11:53 personal preference 11:53 seen lightblue (everything with branch colors except for NetHack4+Fourk) and green (NetHack4+Fourk) 11:54 there was some attempt to be different from othe rvariants where I could and/or made sense 11:54 you probably noticed gold vaults as well 11:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:55 O) a wand of death (7 aum) 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1339 points, T:2928, killed by a watch captain 11:57 food time, be back in a bit 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 281 points, T:1317, killed by a gnome 12:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04 How can I tell what type oona is? 12:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:08 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 362 points, T:957, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 12:11 i just learned that the 'diggy diggy hole' yogscast song is about minecraft and not DF :( 12:11 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:15 stenno :( 12:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helping hand", on T:33180 12:19 Hmm, riker if I didn't get Chaos in the chaos quest is there no way for me to use lawful artifacts (outside helm)? 12:19 !who 12:19 luxidream: [hdf-us] IceBox [nh363] zoya [nh363] Hill [nh363] Cevn [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] malor [dnh] Grouchy [evil] hothraxxa [fh] | [hdf-eu] asdf [nh363] Vis [nh363] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:20 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 12:24 @v?giant mimic 12:24 giant mimic (m) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 3 | Res: acid | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Attacks: 3d6 claw sticky, 3d6 claw sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, amorphous, clings, breathless, thick hide 12:24 for some reason my pet keeps ignoring those 12:25 what is your pet 12:26 ancient pseudodragon 12:28 apparently he wasn't healthy 12:28 healing him helped matters 12:32 K2: does intrinsics still cap out at 100%? 12:33 FIQ yes 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 939 points, T:2750, killed by a crossbow bolt 12:34 its the intrinsic system from sporkhack 12:34 brb 12:36 morning K2, who made the Anaconda a large green S? That's evil. If you're not paying attention, you might think its a garter snake lol 12:36 @v?Anaconda 12:36 No such monster. 12:36 haha, I got you now stupid piddly snake. OH NO, engulfed 12:37 * Pinkbeast mutters about the game he played in monochrome 12:39 they are a bright green. the snakes are just regular green 12:45 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:47 hmm 12:47 vampire queen 12:47 fiq: just found another bones player monster that is definitely not asleep 12:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33727 12:48 also the wraith that did the killing is also named semilg, what's that about? 12:49 Chris_ANG: BANG! That's not going to kill TOO many people, is it...? (Unknown power 64.) 12:49 Chris_ANG: 'Mirror Walk' is unimplemented 12:50 in spell.c spiriteffects 12:50 Whoops 12:52 "The wand is too worn out to engrave." ? 12:52 that wasted a turn, killing me 12:52 oh well 12:52 wand of dullness 12:52 Wand of death, but not in the sense you were hoping for 12:52 Yeah, that should not have been pushed out. Not only is it unimplemented, it CAN'T be implemented without breaking save compatibility. 12:53 Well, or re-writing half the level-handling code. 12:53 wand being worn out must be vanilla change 12:53 wanted to engrave with lightning 12:53 it is 12:53 out of charges is fair, then I'll just dust engrave 12:53 * K2 normally doesnt engrave 12:53 Chris_ANG: no worries. Does the 2x spell damage from gauntlets and spirit stack? 12:53 but that didn't work either and also lost me a turn 12:53 nice 12:53 They don't stack. 12:53 !lastgame FIQ 12:53 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/nethack4/dumplog/2018-06-01%2000%3A18%3A02%2C%20FIQ-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20quit.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/dumplog/1571219771.evil.html 12:54 Chris_ANG: cheers 12:54 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 Chris_ANG: also what is the spellpower bonus from the monk staff? It doesn't buff chance%? 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:27001 12:54 FIQ had you come across the e-word yet in that game? 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:27002 12:54 Oh now it does.:s 12:55 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:55 Oh, that got nerfed slightly I think. Priest spells only, unless you're a monk or a priest, I think? 12:55 K2: yes 12:55 I finished Sokoban 12:55 Assuming we're talking about khakkharas. 12:55 but as you see, I couldn't engrave Elbereth 12:55 because reasons 12:55 yeah 12:56 I mean, not a YAAD because I did plenty of stupid things there as well 12:56 Chris_ANG: Ah makes sense, yeah it is buffing clerical casting 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:27032 12:56 but the last turn wasn't strictly my own fault, IMO 12:56 Chris_ANG: so would you say it's worth using it for the good reflection? 12:56 also pet was being unhelpful as usual 12:56 not sure what the deal with that is 12:57 Is this the staff of twelve mirrors? 12:57 Semilg reaches into an a bag of tricks! 12:57 uhh 12:57 Chris_ANG: yeah 12:57 I figured I'd slow down the vampire queen and be able to take it down combining me and pet attacking 12:58 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 but since the pet 1) decided to stand in line of fire for slow monster, making me unwilling to use it, and 2) decided to not even bother attacking 12:58 that strat didn't quite work out 12:58 vamp queen is prob too high a level for the pet to tangle with 12:58 I think it's a ridiculously good melee weapon. 12:58 Got to go to class. 12:58 Chris_ANG: good luck/have fun! :-) 12:58 K2: Just checked, you're right 12:59 :/ 12:59 it only reaches level 9 (6*1.5) 12:59 and vampire king/queens are lvl 15-16 12:59 base 12:59 I figured it was stronger than warhorses, considering their attacks 12:59 FIQ they used to be in 0.3.2 12:59 i had to nerf them 12:59 hmm 13:00 They're still the strongest starting pet in the game attack-wise 13:00 poison and sleep 13:00 But they don't get very highlevel 13:00 yup 13:00 and in fact doesn't even reach the same level as warhorses 13:00 its on par w/ cats and dogs 13:01 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01 FYI - once a pseudodragon reaches ancient level, you can ride it 13:01 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 13:01 neat 13:02 but wizards don't get any riding skill, do they? 13:02 oh, it's not restricted like I thought 13:02 but I don't know how far it goes 13:02 they do - all roles in evilhack can at least reach basic level 13:02 isn't it skilled to pickup from the ground? 13:02 i think so yes 13:02 and wiz reaches basic? 13:02 all roles can yes 13:02 I mean only basic 13:03 yeah 13:03 being a living person in that era or whatever you want to call it - not knowing at least the basics of riding a horse didnt seem logical 13:03 no cars and what not 13:03 everyone knows how to ride a horse 13:04 a neat trick would be to allow player centaurs to have a humanoid pet ride IT 13:05 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:06 hmm 13:06 this helmet is 444zm 13:06 pretty sure it's doubly magical 13:06 at the very least 13:07 mithril doesn't increase base price that much on its own 13:07 I think 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:27210 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:27213 13:07 apparently it does 13:07 o - a cursed -5 mithril helm of opposite alignment 13:07 that's a nice enchantment 13:08 that would suck to put on and lose all your divine protection plus be stuck wearing a -5 helm lol 13:10 I have a bad habit of being killed by boulder traps 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 340 points, T:2046, killed by a jackal 13:11 once in 4k, I ended up being killed by them like 5 games in a row 13:11 also wtf happened with dywypi 13:11 !lastgame 13:11 FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/theFreightTrain/nethack/dumplog/1571245109.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/dumplog/1571245312.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/nethack/dumplog/1570161825.nh.html 13:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34697 13:14 You feel like you've seen this word before, but can't quite remember it. 13:14 aw 13:14 worth a try :P 13:14 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14 That was fucking terrifying 13:14 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:32343 13:17 FIQ hah 13:18 there are several different messages when trying to engrave e-word and cant 13:18 K2: if someone names themselves something involving the word Elbereth, them dying will allow others finding the bones to learn the word 13:18 i think we addressed that 13:20 or not 13:20 hmm 13:21 also I think I found a way to learn it 13:21 one possible smudge is m -> r 13:21 ? 13:21 Isn't n -> r also possible? 13:21 write Elbemeth 13:22 hope it smudges to r 13:22 then you end up with Elbereth 13:22 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3e53a84e6d1a19e4010538651abc7dc759553fc1 13:22 jonadab: ooh yeah, n is more useful 13:22 K2: that fixed the attempt I did above, yeah 13:23 but you should be able to access it still by exploiting smudging 13:23 If so, that should be fixed, on the grounds that it would strongly encourage (once people figure it out) a rather tedious behavior. 13:24 (Write Elbeneth, smudge, look, lather, rinse, repeat until you learn Elbereth.) 13:25 yeah 13:25 I'm trying that atm, mostly just to see how feasible it is 13:25 It should be fixed no matter what, obviously, but I'm curious how easy it is 13:28 agreed 13:28 Something is written here in the dust. You read: "E?bereth". 13:28 so close 13:28 "Elberetn" pff 13:30 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the wraith of Semilg, the former Skirmisher, on T:11540 13:34 got 4 near-success attempts (2 characters engraved, one being the correct one) in around 2.5k turns 13:34 not very feasible 13:34 needs an athame 13:34 to be feasible 13:35 I think you get avg 5 near-success attempts for each successful one 13:35 athame allows engraving, then you can walk into a wall to smudge for free 13:35 and it only smudges a single character when it does 13:36 you can also use regular slow-engraving, but that's dangerous 13:36 but it should be faster 13:37 hmm 13:37 gauntlets of protection 13:37 haven't seen those before 13:37 its new 13:37 does it do anything beyond giving +2AC instead of +1? 13:37 mc3 13:37 like does it give MC or something? 13:37 cool 13:38 before 0.4, giants could never get anything past mc2 13:38 needed something they could wear to address that 13:38 fair 13:38 there's also a helm of speed (centaurs cant wear boots) 13:39 'hermes hat' 13:39 huh, lichens can kill in this variant 13:39 :) 13:40 pretty much only if you let them 13:40 they are not uber deadly lichens like what you find in slex 13:41 i updated the wiki entry with some new evilhack info; I have a lot to add still 13:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:37083 13:44 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 20 points, T:81, killed by an arrow 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:37593 13:47 <{Demo}2> dnh fuzzer filled my disk :( 13:47 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 48531 points, T:11595, killed by a valkyrie called "Semilg", while sleeping 13:47 <{Demo}2> with paniclogs 13:47 is ita bunch of 'aaaaaahhhhhh!!' 13:47 ? 13:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:37712 13:48 <@malor> wow, I one-shot him and didn't even realize it 🙂 13:49 <{Demo}2> basically 13:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:37904 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 675 points, T:2118, killed by a wererat 13:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:37966 13:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:37967 13:52 <@malor> one-shot Chaos. 13:52 what do you have? 13:52 for a weapon 13:53 <@malor> vorpal blade. I'm just getting hella-lucky. 13:53 aaahhh 13:53 i wonder if the vorpal bug was fixed in dnh :) 13:53 <@malor> that's why it was a surprise, I expected those battles to go longer 🙂 13:53 <@malor> it doesn't proc always. But maybe it is higher than 5%. 13:55 <@malor> I am a Barbarian, so I get 3 attacks per round currently. So roughly 15% chance to behead each time. 13:56 <{Demo}2> i think chris ghettod it shut 13:56 <{Demo}2> recently 13:59 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:08 @malor closer to 14% but yeah 14:09 hothraxxa: is it possible that combat woke it up? 14:10 because reading bones code, I do appear to set them to starting out asleep 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Huan Ti, on T:3114 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:55442 14:12 FIQ: do bones player monsters still have the highest possible wand skill and spell skills 14:12 No 14:13 Chris_ANG: i got blasted by an artifact even with the unaligned thing bound 14:13 same as the player? 14:13 <{Demo}2> the alignment thing or the priest of the unknown god? 14:13 <{Demo}2> hows your alignment score? 14:14 "The alignment thing" 14:14 yes 14:14 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/blob/development/libnethack/src/bones.c#L405 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1014 14:15 {Demo}2: Pious 14:15 <{Demo}2> weird 14:15 fiq: the last case was weird. it was double bones, one was a wraith and the other was a valk. the valk was awake when i arrived but the wraith was asleep 14:16 can sleep resistant monsters be generated sleeping? 14:16 in the other two cases, i don't believe there was combat but i don't recall for sure 14:16 {Demo}2: is the unknown god discoverable in-game or do I need to spoil? 14:17 luxidream: Hmm, not sure 14:17 But yes, it's possible that sleep res would interfere with the sleeping player monsters 14:17 <{Demo}2> its unknown 14:17 Maybe I should make them meditate instead? 14:17 So that they're dormant until you're next to them 14:18 <{Demo}2> im afraid to answer that if u potentially dont want spoilers 14:18 well in this case, the sleeping one was a wraith, so yes sleep resistant monsters can generate asleep 14:18 Good answer, thanks! :-) 14:18 hothraxxa: ok 14:18 one you can answer (though hopefully isn't the same question) do I need give an artifact to each of the priests 14:18 to get my third artifact wish? 14:18 hothraxxa: it's obviously possible that one of the bones woke up the other 14:18 <{Demo}2> yes to all 5 priests 14:18 okey 14:18 <{Demo}2> also it is the same question ;P 14:18 i assumed so! 14:18 Named artifacts count? 14:19 they can have a sting!!! 14:19 <{Demo}2> yeah theyll take those 14:19 Assuming I can find the exit to this level :-` 14:20 both bones were semilg. the first bones were a valk that got killed by team a, giant i think. i found the tombstone. that semilg became a wraith 14:21 hothraxxa: Don't wraiths generate asleep in graveyards all the time though? 14:21 the wraith then killed semilg, another valk 14:21 <{Demo}2> arcs should get a bonus for doing bones forensics 14:21 <{Demo}2> and be prone to a lot more bones 14:21 aosdict, yes i forgot that 14:22 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:22 demo: ny gnome arcs keep getting killed by bones player monsters 14:22 <{Demo}2> damn 14:22 fiqhack turns out to have a lot of bones 14:23 <{Demo}2> i miss when those guys were broken 14:23 <{Demo}2> and would be like oh i have a polymorph item? let me turn myself into an ice vortex or something weak right quick 14:23 that plus making it near impossible to do an early altar conversion makes fh a lot harder than it used to be 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2220 points, T:2170, killed by a giant rat 14:24 <{Demo}2> when was the last time fiqhack save broke? 14:28 !lastgame antivirus 14:28 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AntiVirus/evilhack/dumplog/1571176020.evil.html 14:28 <@malor> @aosdict I knew someone would do the actual math :) 1 - (.95)^3 = 14.2625% 14:31 {Demo}2: FIQHack has never broken saves 14:31 use your camera to escape dangerous situations 14:32 hothraxxa: OK, so a bit of testing shows that bones wake up far too easily 14:32 you can also kick foxes, they don't like that 14:32 <{Demo}2> so if i load up a game from 2 years ago itll just work? 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 11 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27869 14:33 fiq: thanks for checking 14:34 <{Demo}2> oh hmm it seemed to 14:42 !tell K2 fixed bones sleep not doing what I intended for. Player monsters now meditate as well, meaning that until you get near it or it is somehow hurt, it will stay where it is 14:42 I'm on it, FIQ. 14:42 This will not apply retroactively 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:55983 14:43 Also, people who decide to wake up bones and end up creating multibones will not turn the awake ones back dormant, like usual for bones 14:43 {Demo}2: Yep 14:44 Even if it was made before wand rebalance, before trinsic rewrite, before object properties... you get what I'm saying 14:44 And all the features will work as expected 14:45 FIQ ok 14:45 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-16 14:42 EDT: fixed bones sleep not doing what I intended for. Player monsters now meditate as well, meaning that until you get near it or it is somehow hurt, it will stay where it is 14:45 {Demo}2: oh shit 14:45 Usually, things remain mostly as they were when you saved -- while new features work, they will not change things retroactively 14:45 cthulu saw me 14:46 The exception is the new wiztower, it will update the dungeon retroactively 14:46 To have the new style 14:46 To avoid the possibility of stale magic portals because you generated fakewiz with portal but not wiztower or vice versa 14:47 {Demo}2: what happens when cthulu sees me? 14:47 how much do i forget? 14:47 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:47 <{Demo}2> put on a blindfold 14:47 <{Demo}2> I don't know exactly 14:48 <{Demo}2> your spells get owned 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 9 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28459 14:49 yeah that happened. 14:58 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:59 {Demo}2: "You feel the chill of death fade away" = i'm cured?? 14:59 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:02 hothraxxa: go on? 15:03 oh dear 15:03 I think this pseudodragon can, and will, throw the shop objects in lava 15:04 oh. yeah, the shop had a boh so i picked up all the inventory i wanted and put it in the bag. my pet was a pseudodragon 15:04 so now you already know what happened 15:04 ah 15:04 it decided to incinerate it? 15:05 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:05 it picked up the bag and dropped it in the lava 15:05 rip 15:07 lol, this wand of light blinded a rat 15:07 the thing about evilhack is that it's like grunt. eventually you start running into player monsters who tend to have a boh 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed ring of free action", on T:28926 15:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09 heh 15:10 [15:03] <+FIQ> oh dear 15:10 [15:03] <+FIQ> I think this pseudodragon can, and will, throw the shop objects in lava 15:10 ^ friggin awesome 15:10 'oh dear' lol 15:10 'OMFG WTF' <--- me 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:28990 15:15 ...this mines level has lava 15:16 woooo 15:16 1% chance of that happening instead of water 15:16 so lucky 15:17 aklsjdLKAsjdkajsd my stupid pet just killed priest of the unknown god 15:17 ffs 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 932 points, T:3347, killed by a rothe 15:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Arc Hum Fem Law), 330 points, T:1105, killed by a kitten 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 225 points, T:1359, killed by a bat 15:32 bubbles_nh: Should revive 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 120 points, T:733, killed by a small mimic 15:33 This may have got resolved while I was away, but what artifact/what alignment spirit was bount? 15:33 *bound 15:36 a magical pair of dragonhide riding boots (for sale, 6637 zorkmids) 15:36 nice and cheap 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3738 15:40 Chris_ANG: Unaligned thing, singing sword 15:40 It blasted me again 15:40 Then I gave it to a priest of the unknown god, then my stupid asshole pet killed one of the other priests 15:40 so that's a giant waste now :-( 15:41 Also Chris_ANG can center of all spawn on any level or only in sum of all? 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3872 15:41 He spawns on any level. 15:42 Also, the unknown priests have rider resurrection, so the one your pet killed should be reviving? 15:42 oh 15:42 i see... 15:42 Bugger, well, back down to ryleh I go! 15:42 Also I only went and looked at cthulu :-( 15:42 Also also, Singing Sword favors bards, so that's why it was blasting you. 15:43 So handing it off to the Priests was probably the right move! 15:43 ah thanks! 15:43 Also lethe doesn't seem to be affecting me 15:43 I have cloak of the unknown one in my inventory (not worn) 15:43 and intrisic magical breathing 15:43 Yeah, people complained XD 15:44 The lethe has basically been nerfed into oblivion. 15:44 B) uncursed +2 pair of dragonhide water walking boots (being worn) (unpaid, 6637 zorkmids) (20 aum) 15:44 not bad 15:45 in fact it's what I usually wish for in grunt lol, but I also add speed to it :P 15:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4881 points, T:4236, killed by a panther 15:49 also remind me to never go back into the neutral quest without eden bound 15:52 FIQL obj properties exists, and you can wish for properties, but its curtailed vs other variants 15:53 *FIQ 15:53 rofl... FIQL = fickle 15:54 my pet died 15:54 to a mimic 15:54 noo pet dont die 15:54 a dead pet is not conducive to longterm survival 15:54 also one of my keys seems to have gone, I only need 3 though right? 15:55 K2: is there a particular reason you made pets stop attacking higher-level monsters as they get low on HP, but didn't stop high-level monsters from attacking the pet? 15:55 yeah 15:55 not sure i remember why tho 15:55 It's funnier that way 15:56 K2: that seems really counterproductive 15:56 it does 15:57 one sec 15:57 I found the Silver Key! 15:57 \o/ 15:57 This one isn't an artifact though 15:57 how do you know 15:57 thats a pretty bold assumption 15:57 the silver key is the reason I even do the dnh neutral quest 15:57 and you've offended the key 15:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) was given Giantslayer, on T:43203 15:57 did you alter dungeon gen? 15:58 it loves making huge corridors 15:58 as in.. wide 15:58 thats a side effect yeah 15:58 the one on my current floor is especially wide 15:58 side effect of what? 15:58 fleecy rooms 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elven dagger named +2 on an altar, on T:3966 15:58 * LarienTelrunya has been pinged :) 15:58 the odd shaped cool looking rooms 15:59 of excellence 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:40791 15:59 ah 16:02 FIQ: this is why - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/6c770d768ea185d41e3bdb2012c141631543f505 16:02 specifically - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/6c770d768ea185d41e3bdb2012c141631543f505#diff-6a26009dcce3016d7cad8adeda8012e3R1979 16:05 fixing this might be as simple as removing one line 16:05 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3877 16:07 ... 16:07 there was 2 spear traps basically right next to each other 16:07 yup 16:07 spear room 16:07 │A spear shoots up from a hole in the ground at you! It stabs you in the leg! Ouch, that hurts! q - a tin wand (7 aum). There are a few more objects here. │ 16:07 tread lightly 16:07 │A spear shoots up from a hole in the ground at you! It stabs you in the leg! Ouch, that hurts! You die... │ 16:07 and now he's a meat popsicle 16:08 or a doner kebab 16:09 yaaaaaaay I actually ate a döner kebab today :) 16:09 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2019-10-16 00:06 EDT: in my slex experience, it's easier to accidentally convert yourself than to convert an altar 16:09 !tell bug_sniper well, don't try to convert altars with negative alignment? ;) 16:09 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 16:10 slex altars can have negative alignment? 16:10 lol 16:11 aw, you increased the level of detect monsters 16:11 I kinda liked the level 1 detect monsters spell :P 16:11 :P 16:11 Chris_ANG: i can't wish for a "shadow-stuff helm"? :-( 16:12 Why would you *want* a shadow-stuff helm :P 16:12 Honestly, detect monsters is kind of powerful for spell level 1. 16:12 FIQ: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Spellbooks 16:12 I mean, it's not as OP as level-three charm monster, but what is? 16:13 level 2 sleep 16:13 si 16:13 it really should be lvl 3 or 4 16:13 but i didnt want to hear it 16:13 Chris_ANG: lighter 16:14 YASI: spellbook of wishing. Level 1, but cannot be wished for or written, does not occur due to polymorph, is exceptionally rare in random generation, and takes ten thousand turns to read. 16:14 and you have to start over every time you get interrupted 16:14 hah 16:14 spellbook of wishing == spellbook of fuck you 16:14 I wonder how this wizard made it through wizard school 16:14 14 int 16:14 so you can only read it with slow digestion? 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5103 16:15 YASI: "spellbook of wishing" as a random appearance for unidentified spellbooks. 16:15 ADOM actually has a wish spell 16:15 FIQ: yes, I've had some wizards like that, not even all orcs 16:15 it does, indeed, take forever to read 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5919 16:16 Making it take a really long time to read is an obvious way to make it hard to get too early in the game. 16:16 it also costs like 1500pw to cast 16:16 slex has a spellbook of wishing, and it takes ages to read and is a level 8 spell :D 16:16 Because safely spending a long time reading requires preparation and resources. 16:16 in a game with roughly NetHack level of Pw 16:16 also, ADOM spells have "charges" 16:17 not charges per se, but it effectively works like it 16:17 spell memory is a numeric that goes down as you cast a spell 16:17 you generally don't get a whole lot of charges for Wish 16:18 I think I got like 7 (normal charge count is around 200-300 and goes down around d10 per cast) the one time I found it 16:18 and when it's low, Pw cost goes up 16:18 I think for me it costed like 4k Pw to cast... I had maybe 400 pw 16:19 there is a term in ADOM called archmage 16:19 it's when you can cast Wish without any drawbacks whatsoever infinitely 16:19 it's not an easy thing to achieve 16:19 requires a lot of farming 16:19 it's easier to just win the game 16:21 FIQ: Elona also has a wish spell, because Elona is basically a non-sucky ADOM :P in Elona, every time you cast the wish spell it becomes harder to cast, whether that particular casting was successful or not 16:21 bubbles_nh: It also evaporates in light. So I guess it would be very light indeed :P 16:21 elona is an ADOM clone that adds a lot of stuff all over the place with little though to balance from what I've seen 16:21 so it sounds like basically the slex of ADOM 16:22 elona is a lot of fun ♥ 16:22 also elona allows you to play as a snail, which is the best race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 16:22 Hang on, snails can't wear shoes 16:23 they don't have to: in elona there's a corruption that makes you unable to wear boots but increases your speed by a whole lot 16:23 and if you can't wear boots anyway, that corruption still gives you the speed boost, basically for free! 16:23 no seven league boots 16:23 Yes, I just didn't expect you to think a race that can't wear shoes is the best :-) 16:24 IIRC there was a way in ADOM to start with a weapon of devastation if you fiddled with your starting stats and setup correctly 16:24 <@Umby> Random trawling through the wiki, and: 16:24 <@Umby> "In NetHack 3.4.3 and earlier versions, The Heart of Ahriman is vulnerable to the stone to flesh spell, which will turn it into a normal meatball." 16:24 that was fun when I messed with it 16:24 the character had like 5 max HP though 16:24 <@Umby> Wonder how many YASIs that spawned and whether anything came of them 16:25 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 16:25 the weapon of devastation did around 4d12 damage or something like that 16:26 <@Umby> dNet's Heart of Ahriman sounds baller, whew 16:27 Chris_ANG: also how do I get my deepest one friend to dual wield? 16:27 Umby: At least it would serve a purpose as a meatball 16:27 FIQ: seven league boots aren't that great anyway, the big speed boosts in elona usually come from speed rings and the increased travel speed can be gained by pumping the travelling skill too ;) 16:30 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 16:30 in ADOM it's one of the best items in the game 16:30 at least it used to be 16:30 it was nerfed at some point 16:33 ok I have see the light. Shuriken are way better than daggers 16:33 not as plentiful though 16:33 yeah and for wizard it doesn't train dagger 16:33 but the damage is so much better 16:33 I found a stack of 10 tho 16:33 which isn't bad 16:34 bubbles_nh: If he has a shield, take it from him. I forget if they have an offhand attack, though. 16:35 He also might not actually go to wield something until his attack routine triggers. I forget how temperamental that code is :? 16:36 K2: why can launchers spawn poisoned? 16:37 whatcha find? 16:37 a poisoned crossbow 16:37 neat 16:38 per grunthack obj property rules, any bolr you shoot from it should be poisonous 16:38 bolt 16:38 !tell AntiGulp lesson 0: oh my god why did I decide my variant needs tiles at all, when I could add so many more monsters in the time it takes me to create one tile :P 16:38 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 16:39 doesnt fiqhack have the obj property behavior? 16:39 *that 16:39 poisoned is not an object property 16:39 bow of fire? 16:39 that is possible, yes 16:39 ok same thing 16:40 it will apply the property to shot arrows 16:40 'venom' is the property i created 16:40 and it displays for everyone? 16:40 does it wear off? 16:40 no 16:40 btw poison and venom is not the same thing 16:41 the end effect is 16:41 R - an uncursed +0 crossbow of venom (50 aum) 16:42 are thrown weapons consumed? I never noticed this with daggers, but shuriken seem like they're not all dropping on the ground 16:42 I don't have much experience with bows/arrows etc in NH 16:42 LarienTelrunya: But just think, if slex supported tiles, it would have the MOST monster tiles of any game, ever. 16:42 Imagine the fame! 16:42 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 AntiVirus: Darts and shuriken frequently break when thrown. 16:43 Daggers don't. 16:43 Spears don't. 16:43 Arrows frequently do. 16:43 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 16:43 Shuriken do too? that doesn't seem fair, what with their rarity 16:43 Don't recall about crossbow bolts. I think they can break. 16:43 hmm 16:43 FIQ you founda bug 16:43 Muad: indeed. 16:44 yeah I had 10, now 5 after no time at all 16:44 blessing and enchanting will lower the chance, as will your luck.. i forget which one is most important 16:44 I guess they're a niche ranged item you wanna save for a nasty 16:44 yeah but why burn resources on something I can't keep? 16:45 are there any clans that need a never ascended since '87 nethack player for TNNT? 16:45 the disappearance odds become *very* small (i think around 2%?) at some point 16:45 K2: but I found a poisoned crossbow 16:45 not a crossbow of venom 16:45 nice, good to know 16:45 hahah wut 16:45 yeah bug #2 16:45 iirc it's just max luck, blessing, and a few points of enchantment (which, given a big enough stack of arrows, makes sense anyway) 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:11259 16:46 yeah for a ranger, I would do it 16:46 Muad: some variants make shuriken not mulch 16:46 but daggers don't dissapear 16:46 some of them, plus others without the former change, makes roles which use shuriken (monks) get a bunch on the quest 16:47 monks and samurai 16:47 FIQ, cool.. i've never had a chance to really use them yet 16:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Great Cthulhu, on T:46537 16:47 yeah EH has me thinking a lot more about ranged weapons for obvious reasons 16:48 just to stay alive, I have to mix in some better ranged options 16:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50 malor showoff! 16:52 StinkyGreene: want to join clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles? 16:52 Hmm, second artifact wish - what to go for? 16:52 <@malor> Cthulhu was blocking the Silver Key. 16:53 sure thing, I am terrible... 32 years of disappointment, but I will try hard 16:53 <@malor> I was pretty scared, but I wanted that key :) My dragon breath (my only ranged attack) did not seem effective against him, so I had to melee him. 2 attack rounds to kill him both times. 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13031 16:54 nice job malor :-) 16:54 PS: Does lash of the cold waste give resistance when carried or only wielded? 16:55 oh, so that's how you make unholy water 16:55 Risky Business 16:56 -!- moon_child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 16:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:57 thanks aosdict 16:57 I guess I could go for the lance of longinus for the drain resistance 16:58 FIQ: I fixed the pet/hostile monster grudge bit 16:58 i need to also address 'poisoned ' and another obj prop bug 16:58 will do that later, gotta go 16:58 (i'll patch fiqhack later tonight too) 16:58 xit 16:59 o/ 17:00 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:01 -!- moon_child has joined #hardfought 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14390 17:04 hmm you could make the game unwinnable by using shiro to fill in all the holes int he cast? :x 17:04 castle 8 17:05 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:15875 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:43279 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 997 points, T:2294, killed by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22545 17:11 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:46821 17:11 LarienTelrunya: Also, what about slashem-next? 17:12 aosdict: huh, what about it? 17:12 is that enough of a variant to mention on the timeline? 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:22768 17:12 probably yes, I'm surprised moon_child didn't actually add it yet 17:13 also what's your stance on my question? 17:13 (I'm certainly not trying to pull a magicbymccauley here and edit war my version of the timeline into the wiki at all costs; just want to know what everyone else's opinion is) 17:13 on the variant history graph I must keep slashthem as derivative of the slex version it came from 17:14 oh you mean your personal history graph 17:14 to say it descended directly from slash'em 0.0.whatever is wrong 17:14 yeah, but it certainly didn't descend from slex 2.56 (october 2019) either since its last update was 2016 or so :P 17:14 however, it's clearer on the graph that slex has kept up development and slashthem hasn't 17:15 than it is in that template 17:15 yes, I wish there was an easy way to make it clear on the wiki timeline as well 17:15 the issue with the template is that it makes slashthem look like THE successor to slex 17:15 ^^ 17:16 What if it was changed to be Slash'em -> SLEX version whatever -two arrows pointing to SLEX and SLASHTHEM ? 17:17 heh I just suggested exactly that on the talk page :) 17:17 but I'm not very good at actually editing the timeline template; last time I tried that, it took me at least 10 tries to make everything align correctly 17:18 yeah, tables not the best format for this 17:18 not sure what the best format *is*, just tables aren't good for representing a graph 17:19 -!- sodastabbed has joined #hardfought 17:20 -!- sodastab has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 17:22 I've made a proposal on the talk page (in the form of a replacement table) 17:22 er, edit conflict, hang on 17:23 huh? I don't have an edit window of that page open, is it caused by me posting a comment while you had one up? 17:23 Done. This isn't totally satisfactory but I think it's an improvement 17:23 Exactly that - you posted while I was editing the table. 17:23 hey that looks pretty nice :) 17:23 nit: how about slex <= 75 17:24 "up to version 75" 17:24 actually with my version numbering system it should probably say 0.75 but other than that it's really good 17:25 Suggest you just C&P it to the page and edit the version number as you see fit 17:26 If it's to be "0.75" you can probably take out that unseemly
17:26 <{Demo}2> someone needs to merge brass onto nitro 17:30 someone needs to come wash the dishes 17:31 K2: summon a succubus! 17:31 they dont do dishes 17:32 huh? doesn't it say "the dishwasher returns" when you kick a sink and summon one that way? 17:32 you should kick your sink IRL :D 17:32 although i hate our sink, i dont want to break it 17:32 <{Demo}2> a broken sink is right twice a day! 17:32 <@Umby> For anyone editing the wiki: There's no mention of smiting as part of the attack messages for Barbarians 17:32 <@Umby> as well as their significance 17:33 i smite thee, foul creature 17:33 <@luxidream> there is no significance to smiting 17:33 smite evil! 17:33 I've always wondered why barbarians get that unique message when it's only cosmetic anyway 17:33 its just a cool phrase all the cool kids use nowadays 17:33 'hewy, you wanna come over to my place? we can netflix and smite' 17:33 <@luxidream> it makes unspoiled players think barbarians are good, which is true 17:34 !who 17:34 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] luxor [slshm] malor [dnh] Grouchy [evil] rebatela [evil] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:35 there should be something that points unspoiled players in the "samurai is the best role" direction :P 17:38 pointing unspoiled players towards samurai is not a great idea, since all the Japanese names will confuse them 17:39 <{Demo}2> samurai is the best role in grunt 17:39 <{Demo}2> thats all 17:39 -!- sodastabbed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 17:39 -!- sodastabbed has joined #hardfought 17:39 Ooh, here's some magicbymccauley-style advice: "Samurai is a good role choice for beginners, so that they won't get confused by the japanese names later down the road." 17:40 -!- sodastabbed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40 haha 17:40 <{Demo}2> lol 17:40 Like how Priest messes you up for every other role 17:40 when I was new to nethack, I thought healer was a good role choice for beginners because they can quaff extra healing potions whenever they get randomly (that's what I believed) sick from eating a corpse! 17:41 how come the shopkeeps in EH have such little money? 17:42 found Firebrand on the DL2 floor and want to sell it to the owner of this giant general store and buy protection, but he only has like 1700 or something... I feel like i'd be getting ripped off 17:42 actually, magicbymccauley advice for tourist: "Tourist is a good role choice for beginners because they can train every weapon skill except club. It is a good idea to enhance whichever weapon you find first to the maximum skill level you can reach because that way you'll survive longer." 17:42 Their business is selling items, not buying them 17:43 Why do they buy them then? Where do you think the items come from? 17:43 I think the question of the overall operation of the dungeon is perhaps not one to consider closely. 17:44 lol true... i'm just saying it seems like they carry less cash than in vanilla 17:44 <@Umby> That sounds like about half of what I get off shopkeepers in vanilla 17:45 another possibly macicbymccauley advice: "Gnome ranger is a good choice for beginners because the combination of crossbow + infravision lets you kill monsters before they can reach you, allowing you to avoid melee combat and thereby survive longer." 17:45 <@Umby> It might get that low but I wouldn't know 17:45 <@Umby> I don't make a habit of murdering 'em 17:45 umby: yeah i think they usually have 3 grandish. i could be wrong 17:45 so what you just got a bunch of credit with a small time shoppkeeper? 17:45 i haven't sold it yet 17:46 but 4 points of protection right now is worth a lot more to me as a weaponless monk than firebrand 17:46 most of the shopkeepers I knocked over in minetown have about 3.5k 17:46 LarienTelrunya: better prepare for the THUNDERDOME 17:46 I think it's worth checking if EH actually changes this 17:46 each one was enough to buy some protection 17:46 i'm more concerned about the artifact count 17:46 aosdict: hahaha I still don't get what he was trying to do when he was shouting thunderdome like some kind of madman 17:46 so you could hang on until mintown to sell it 17:46 did he just try to indicate that he ran out of actual arguments so he had to resort to yelling? 17:47 -!- Adeon has joined #hardfought 17:48 and it's a 10x6 store... this guy ain't small time 17:48 <@luxidream> LarienTelrunya: he spent several hours editing his version of the artifact page 17:50 but we do hopefully have a sane version of the artifact page right now, not a mbm-trite-infected one? 17:50 We do. 17:51 eating a hobbit zombie corpse without realizing what you are doing...stupid 17:51 nailing an 85% spell failure chance for "cure sickness"...priceless 17:52 :) 17:53 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 17:53 oink 17:53 gotta go to bed now, but I've come up with one more stupid advice line: "You should avoid eating elves until you know the amulet of restful sleep, because that way you can identify it by wearing unidentified amulets for a while." 17:53 :D 17:53 you should read every scroll you find just in case it is a good one 17:54 You wouldn't want to die with a tp scroll un-id in your inventory!!! 17:54 So about demogorgon then, how easy is it for me to sneak past the little bugger? 17:54 <{Demo}2> easy 17:55 <@Umby> Why sneak past when you can just melee him? 17:55 <@Umby> He dies faster that way 17:55 <@Umby> 4Head 17:55 I assume I should not use the 2h thing with him around 17:55 that makes me less stealthy 17:55 Also is the order I find them in random? I thought demo was deeper in 17:55 (deeper heh) 17:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: bigslex is for bigbundlers] 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:46634 18:01 <{Demo}2> it is random 18:02 "pea whistle" 18:02 <{Demo}2> @Umby he is talking about dnh... that is a very poor decision lol 18:02 {Demo}2: Ah ok, so am I just heading for the opposite side of the level as fast as i can, and as far away from him as i can? 18:02 <{Demo}2> he is enclosed 18:02 <{Demo}2> in his little box 18:02 <@Umby> @{Demo}2#0000 That's the joke 18:02 <{Demo}2> just dont go in 18:02 Ahhh 18:02 ok 18:03 Will he wake up from noise outside? 18:03 where's the fun in that 18:03 <{Demo}2> hopefully no 18:03 <@Umby> Only if you make like, significant noise 18:03 <{Demo}2> i think you have to be very very noisy to wake him 18:03 *hopefully* 18:03 <@Umby> You should already have stealth at this point 18:03 <{Demo}2> dont get shayteaned either 18:04 shayteaned? 18:04 <@Umby> I don't know the specifics of dnet's Demo but in terms of avoiding super sleeping monsters you either have to explode something 18:04 Umby I have something blocking stealth unfortunately 18:04 <@Umby> or drink a cursed potion of invisibility or something like that 18:04 <@Umby> RIP 18:04 FIQ: It's to avoid "gold tin whistle" and the like 18:04 <@Umby> The bit about meleeing Demo was a joke btw 18:04 <@Umby> Per magicbymaccauley 18:05 <{Demo}2> theres some goofy magoobus monster called like a shaytean or something and theres a statue trap of one in there and its pretty mean 18:05 <{Demo}2> i think it has a vorpal attack and it also hits a lot 18:05 <{Demo}2> some sort of turbo marilith idk 18:05 hm 18:05 sounds evil 18:06 I think I figured out a way to detect mimics in shops in evil 18:06 <@Umby> Shaitan 18:06 and possibly 3.6.x if it was inherited from there 18:06 do tell\ 18:06 <{Demo}2> ooh nice 18:06 I just look for the out of place objects 18:06 observe the difference 18:06 or monster detection 18:06 a plate mail (for sale, 1200 zorkmids) 18:06 aosdict: definitely not ready to put slashem-next on the timeline page. Not that it's insufficiently differentiated from slashem, but I don't have time to work on it regularly because school, and I'm not ready to do formal release yet 18:06 a stone shield 18:06 aaah 18:06 <{Demo}2> gottem 18:06 SICK trick 18:06 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06 aosdict: slashem-next isn't even a final name. Might be (cf nethack4), but might not 18:06 <@Umby> Most mimics are p. obvious in 3.6.x 18:07 <@Umby> though they do their best to blend in compared to previously 18:07 <@Umby> Out of place items are usually standard mimic flags anyway 18:07 {Demo}2: a Shaktari? 18:07 well when you walk into the Deli and there are two suits of armor... 18:07 <@Umby> But then I'm the shnook that play with a tileset 18:07 but no price, that's great 18:07 <@Umby> lol exactly 18:07 Two suits of armor walk into a deli 18:07 FUCK 18:07 <@Umby> One says "I'll have a head of ham" 18:07 AUtomatic searchING 18:08 This sammich tastes like leather, what gives 18:08 <@Umby> Oh yeah, the other thing about dodging monsters 18:08 <@Umby> Don't search 18:08 Base level 63 18:08 I can't not 18:08 I have intrinsic 18:08 <@Umby> Not unless you have Stealth anyway 18:08 Your mist tendrils free a large +3 flail named The Sting of the Poison Queen. 18:08 <@Umby> That just means you maintain a one-tile buffer 18:08 Giant Mimic is a game ender in EH 18:08 GET IN 18:08 such luck 18:09 <@Umby> Game ender how 18:09 <@Umby> Like just across the board? 18:09 Killed her in 2 rounds 18:09 504 hp 18:09 Can't complain 18:09 <@Umby> Good shit 18:09 giant mimics should have an engulfing attack to be honest 18:09 <@Umby> :GWloopyGok: 18:09 that would be pretty sick, and kinda Dark Souls style 18:09 where they pick you up and chomp on you 18:10 huh, didn't realize kicking boots was magical 18:10 the more you know 18:10 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:10 u must be playing wizard 18:10 <@Umby> How could you tell? 18:10 <@Umby> :B 18:10 magical 18:10 <@Umby> thatsthejoke.jpg 18:12 <{Demo}2> wait i totally meant shaktari 18:12 <{Demo}2> not shayetean 18:12 The hobbit rogue stole an egg. 18:12 no! not the egg! 18:12 how will I survive 18:12 <{Demo}2> i have the two highly conflate 18:12 <{Demo}2> fiq ur kids have no egg 4 dinner u die 18:12 <{Demo}2> (ur kids r ur pets) 18:12 phew we made it 18:13 !who 18:13 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] Hill [nh363] every2 [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] malor [dnh] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] jt [nh363] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:13 {Demo}2: yeah the shaktari was a bit scary but I have a pet who can tank a round at least, which gives me a bit of breathing room. 18:13 the assumption was incorrect! my pet just picked up the smooth shield with no price info 18:13 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 18:14 but that begs the question... why did it not have any asking price in farlook? 18:14 <@Umby> out of place spawns just to throw off people looking for mimics specifically 18:15 <@Umby> while they bump into one of the more well disguised ones and get their nethers obliterated by the metaphorical boot 18:15 @riker if there is a "shaitan" in dnh, is that a WOT reference and are you the one behind it? 18:16 <@Umby> WOT? 18:16 wheel of time. book series 18:16 <@Umby> Oh 18:16 <@Umby> Shaitan aren't a WOT thing specifically 18:16 belial and his friend, are they easypeasy? 18:17 <{Demo}2> its spelled fdiff 18:17 <{Demo}2> those guys are avoidable 18:17 <{Demo}2> so no reason to fight 18:17 i want to smash everything! 18:18 <{Demo}2> not a safe call 18:18 <{Demo}2> complications can occur 18:18 <{Demo}2> (gating) 18:19 I am pretty sure every single magical armor in this 31-item shop is cursed 18:19 there's 5 of those 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2959 points, T:4982, quit 18:20 {Demo}2: that's why i want to kill them on my terms, so they don't get gated in later 18:20 !commands 18:20 jonathanhanes: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 18:20 also I need one more artifact to give to a priest 18:21 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 18:21 How do you look up monsters again? 18:23 !tea 18:23 * Beholder tosses moon_child a mug of white tea, conjured by Announcy at 29 Kelvin. 18:23 That was strange, {Demo}2 does he not have see-invisible or something? 18:24 he couldn't hit me and kept missing with spells 18:24 (as in aiming wrong not "it misses you") 18:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:47397 18:25 <{Demo}2> they can't get gated 18:25 <{Demo}2> if they already have been generated 18:25 <{Demo}2> honestly his vision might be fucked 18:26 The invisible Fierna zaps a wand of digging! The floor here is too hard to dig in. 18:27 Poor baby 18:27 her vision was terrible too. 18:27 <@riker> aosdict: no shaitans in dnethack, only shayateens sadly 18:28 <@riker> (which is an alt spelling of shaitan I believe, but in terms of arabic evil spirits) 18:28 <{Demo}2> no shitters 18:28 <{Demo}2> only slashem/slex have those 18:28 <{Demo}2> unless spl added that? 18:28 spl? 18:28 <@riker> splicehack 18:28 <@riker> antigulp's variant 18:29 ahh 18:34 <@riker> aosdict: if you can come up with a good idea for turning aes sedai into a nethack role (in terms of mechanics) I'd be 100% down for trying to implement it, for what it's worth 18:35 FIQ: addressed 2 of 3 bugs you've pointed out 18:35 working on 3rd 18:36 <@riker> an amusing side effect of webhooks is that the only two people with discord accounts possessing avatars are k2 and fiq 18:36 <@riker> everbody's a little blue controller like the default discord profile pic, except a smily k2 and a weird bug 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 13508 points, T:6696, killed by a soldier ant 18:37 juibilex is scary 18:37 I thought that pic was Serious K2 (tm) 18:37 hah 18:37 is there a way to color the max amount too for HP and Pw? 18:37 @riker Not really an area of interest for me, since I'm not big on a need for new roles 18:37 currently I get colors on HP and Pw but only for current 18:38 max stays uncolored 18:38 FIQ: I think the hpmax status hilite field? 18:38 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:38 can I make hpmax take the info of current HP? 18:38 all I want is to make the whole thing the same color... 18:38 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/634158298626785291/Screen_Shot_2019-10-16_at_3.38.34_PM.png 18:38 to make it not as easy to miss 18:39 FIQ yes see my cfg 18:39 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/5450f504aff558b0eae5cb489187b8fd0afb09b9 18:39 <{Demo}2> mr steal ur cfg 18:39 K2 giant head!! 18:39 <@riker> hey tarmunora are you here right now? 18:39 head! pants! NOW!! 18:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Orcus, on T:48070 18:39 K2: your config is the one I used 18:40 I tweaked it a bit 18:40 clearly I messed something up 18:40 doh 18:40 {Demo}2: i smash them all!!! 18:41 <@riker> !tell Tarmunora how'd you manage a traitor hedrow run? i'm curious, particularly how you managed going back and clearing quest home 18:41 I'm on it, @riker. 18:41 <{Demo}2> orcus is good to kill 18:41 what is his wand thing? 18:41 <{Demo}2> cause he drops tenebrous seal 18:41 K2: yours is basically no different from mine 18:41 Ahhh 18:41 <{Demo}2> invoke for zap effect 18:41 Ah ok 18:41 besides the color configuration and different cutoff values 18:41 <{Demo}2> doesnt use a charge 18:41 is my pet clever enough to invoke? 18:41 can you look and see where I messed up? 18:41 Also why do I want a tenebreous seal? :x 18:41 <{Demo}2> nope pets rnt that smart 18:41 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/FIQ.evilrc 18:42 (I commented out hitpoints-max config to see if it helped, it didn't) 18:42 <@riker> if your'e not a binder it's nice bubbles 18:42 K2: search for hitpoints-max to see my configuration 18:42 <@riker> since slotless dr isn't bad if you don't have any other use for your seal capacity 18:42 <{Demo}2> slotless dr from teney? 18:42 <{Demo}2> wot 18:43 I have a hat for it 18:43 Your soul is bound to Otiax, Andromalius, Shiro, Buer, Dantalion 18:43 <@riker> demo: drain res not damage res 18:43 <@riker> lol 18:43 yeah 18:43 i have a hat of drain res 18:44 <@riker> yah youre also a binder so it doesn't matter for you 18:44 <{Demo}2> aaaaa 18:44 <@riker> also why bind shiro? lol 18:44 HAHAHA 18:44 BECAUSE 18:44 I got stuck behind the castle 18:44 <{Demo}2> shiro oughta give DR 18:44 And needed to get past the stupid holes 18:44 <{Demo}2> cause ROCK 18:44 <@riker> ohhhh 18:44 <@riker> lmao 18:44 <@riker> nice 18:44 Though if I fill them all would it become unwinnable? 18:44 <@riker> levelporting down works 18:44 <@riker> but yeah it's hella annoying 18:45 ah yeah 18:45 I'll rebind andropheleususus once shiro runs out 18:45 <@riker> andromalius or andrealphus 18:45 how come dantalion's thought travel can't target demon lords? 18:45 <@riker> daggers or teleports 18:45 Both! 18:45 <@riker> it can? 18:45 It wouldn't let me 18:45 <@riker> which one? 18:45 <@riker> also make sure you actually have telepathy active right then, i.e you're blind 18:46 <{Demo}2> no belly eye vision allowed 18:46 <@riker> yes 18:46 <{Demo}2> cover ur torso so that u can blind urself 18:46 <@riker> does he have cpm? 18:46 <{Demo}2> cpm lets ur belly eyes see 18:46 cpm? 18:46 i do not have telepaphy :x 18:46 <@riker> crystal plate mail 18:46 Ah yeah i have that 18:47 <@riker> yeah you'll need to put on body armor that's not crystal plate mail to be blind with dantalion 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 1145 points, T:1545, killed by a sharpened bamboo stick 18:47 and there you go 18:47 <{Demo}2> if u have dant bound u have telepathy 18:47 i don't have telepathy even when blind 18:47 Ah right 18:47 <{Demo}2> then ur not blind 18:47 Sorry gotcha 18:47 (Y) 18:47 <@riker> no worries 18:47 <{Demo}2> if ur belly eyes can see u cant be blind 18:47 <@riker> dantalion adds faces to your chest 18:47 <{Demo}2> so cover ur belly eyes 18:47 What are the odds of TWO sharpend sticks being in the same room. 18:47 <@riker> so unless they're covered 18:47 I assume its high 18:48 <{Demo}2> bugpowder its probably a vault 18:48 <{Demo}2> a spear trap vault room 18:48 <@riker> also fun fact - if you want more DR later, go for dragonhide cloak of protection wish, it's hella good for DR (and for a binder you'll probably end up with displacement vs protection, since enki grants invent protecc) 18:48 <{Demo}2> enk is my friend 18:48 <@riker> enki is so good lmao 18:48 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48 So if I have mother and no gloves 18:48 on to version 0.4.0 18:48 Would that stop dantalion's telepathy? 18:48 Hmmm 18:48 <@riker> no 18:48 i don't think it does 18:48 <@riker> mother's eyes aren't yours 18:48 Which is strange. 18:48 <@riker> they're hers 18:48 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 18:49 <{Demo}2> put on armor that isnt cpm 18:49 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 18:49 <@riker> it's in the binding message 18:49 I like cpm! 18:49 <{Demo}2> yeah me too 18:49 <@riker> "you feel eyes open in your hands.. but you still can't see!" or smth 18:49 <{Demo}2> but just for the ability to blind yourself 18:49 not worth it 18:50 I can just freeze my way across whatever dumb lava they have 18:50 <{Demo}2> wear like gdsm lol 18:50 <{Demo}2> green not grey 18:50 for the anti stone? 18:50 <{Demo}2> green is antisick 18:50 <{Demo}2> cause being sick sucks dick ? it rhymes? 18:50 <@riker> ignore demo 18:51 oh lol i can just open a door straight into the downstairs on this level 18:51 <@riker> and yeah no don't use cpm endgame unless you've got both sick and stone rez covered 18:51 Baalzebub 18:51 <@riker> he's ez 18:51 This isn't going to be the ascension run 18:51 <{Demo}2> why do u need stone res? 18:51 I want to get crowned first at least. 18:51 <@riker> you have miska bound or the two trees? 18:51 "The unaligned thing" 18:51 <@riker> demo: it's hella easier than worrying about a random stony thingy 18:51 <@riker> somebody is actually using that what 18:51 <{Demo}2> what randomy stony things exist? 18:52 Ideally I want the unknowned god 18:52 <{Demo}2> beholders. trices. thats all 18:52 <@riker> lol 18:52 <{Demo}2> unknown god is champ on astral 18:52 riker I wanted to use a couple of artifacts! 18:52 <@riker> demo: shayateens I believe 18:52 <@riker> :p 18:52 <{Demo}2> shiteens dont exist if u dont see them ever 18:52 So i should kill Baalzebub ? 18:52 <@riker> yeah lol 18:52 <{Demo}2> yea 18:52 <@riker> you can use his hat 18:52 <{Demo}2> he has a nice hat 18:52 <@riker> it's AoE death effect ala black crystal, but you'd sacrifice drain res 18:52 <{Demo}2> drain gang 18:53 but I like my drain hat :-( 18:53 <@riker> probably still worth it imo 18:53 <@riker> fair enough 18:53 Was tempted to use last wish on stormhelm actually 18:53 <@riker> you can't wear it yet anyway I think 18:53 Can't get cold res ugh 18:53 <@riker> since it's large 18:53 Ahh 18:53 <@riker> amon is annoying change my midn 18:53 There are a million upgrade kits around 18:53 <{Demo}2> did u raid law quest yet? 18:53 <@riker> ya 18:53 <{Demo}2> you might find something that is woolen you can use 18:53 <@riker> ooh that's true 18:53 <{Demo}2> and thatll hook u up with some res 18:53 <@riker> extrinsic too 18:53 <{Demo}2> i pull that shit on ana a lot 18:54 <@riker> so no flaming your scrolls 18:54 <{Demo}2> did not know that was how that worked 18:54 <{Demo}2> neat 18:54 <@riker> pretty sure they do extrinsic 18:54 <@riker> I mean 18:54 <@riker> they're external 18:54 <{Demo}2> didnt know extrinsic prevented BAD invent dmg 18:55 <@riker> I'm pretty sure that's how that works 18:55 <{Demo}2> should i pull the trigger on ndnh next version 18:55 <{Demo}2> and drop symbiote alpha? 18:55 <@riker> unless you're gonna merge it onto compat 3.18 yeah 18:55 <{Demo}2> or should i wait a few more months until i have time to do it better? 18:55 <{Demo}2> no thats after chris dies 18:55 <{Demo}2> for the winter 18:55 <@riker> he's not going to 18:55 <{Demo}2> yeah he is 18:55 <{Demo}2> at some point 18:55 <{Demo}2> it may be feb 18:56 <@riker> we're 1/3 of the way into the semester 18:56 <@riker> he says he's not teaching any new classes 18:56 <{Demo}2> yeah hes lasted this long before iirc 18:56 <@riker> if you're not gonna wait then just do it now imo 18:56 Also constantly blasted by arti stuff :- 18:56 <@riker> like, it's gonna be broken either way 18:56 <{Demo}2> i dont have time now 18:56 Woolen gives res? 18:56 <{Demo}2> ill just like deal with it in december if i feel like it 18:56 <@riker> fire and cold 18:56 <{Demo}2> yeah cold and fire res 18:56 Yeah I've cleared all the alignment quests 18:56 But no sum of all :-( 18:57 <{Demo}2> you can cap him on astral 18:57 <{Demo}2> if you dont cap him before then 18:57 <@riker> I found him in the winding staircase on the way up on asc run lmao 18:57 <{Demo}2> bleh 18:57 <{Demo}2> whats its real name? 18:57 Bob 18:57 <@riker> don't remember it's like the inf stairs 18:57 <@riker> or do you mean center of all 18:57 <{Demo}2> yeah infinite sounds right 18:58 ahem 18:58 'Bob' 18:58 <@riker> k2 we're talking about the top 5 levels of gehennom in dnh :p 18:58 <{Demo}2> no k2 is jarl earl 18:58 <@riker> they're not bob singular 18:58 lol 18:58 i miss jarl earl 18:58 i do 18:58 !who 18:58 K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [nh363] Hill [nh363] Luxidream [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] rikersan [dnh] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] jt [nh363] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:59 why does my pet refuse to use artifact weapons? 18:59 i have evilhack bug fixes to push but will have to wait until no one is playing it (edits to one include file) 18:59 he is so dumb 18:59 <@riker> crossaligned ones? 18:59 <{Demo}2> what is it choosing instead? 18:59 <{Demo}2> yeah or that\ 18:59 A "forge-hot long sword" 18:59 <@riker> this is a deepest one right? he'll only do neutral or unaligned artis 18:59 whatever that is 18:59 <@riker> tha'ts good tho 18:59 it is? 18:59 <{Demo}2> what r u tryna make it use? 18:59 Ah i thought he was chaotic 18:59 <@riker> 1d8 vs non-law, 1d8 vs non-fire res long sword 19:00 <@riker> no deeps are neu 19:00 <{Demo}2> neutrality alley 19:00 Wrath of heaven 19:00 Fair enogh 19:00 <{Demo}2> wrath of hell 19:00 <{Demo}2> we need a counterpart :P 19:00 <@riker> that's lawful lol 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:2091 19:00 <{Demo}2> wrath of ass, wait thats just a slex role 19:00 <@riker> hm can you HOOA your pet 19:00 <{Demo}2> good question lol 19:01 66zm for force bolt? 19:01 what is this sorcery 19:01 <{Demo}2> 3.6 19:01 as sell price 19:01 what did 3.6 do 19:01 no 19:01 its evilhack 19:01 <{Demo}2> get called a variant by amy? 19:01 <{Demo}2> oh 19:01 whats your race vs the shopkeepers race 19:01 <{Demo}2> well evil is also called a variant by amy 19:01 <{Demo}2> so i cant be sure 19:01 it's a gnome 19:01 ah 19:02 but I only have 10 cha 19:02 its price is based off of your INT 19:02 <{Demo}2> haha ur ugly 19:02 gnomes are snooty 19:02 <@riker> demo: no you can't 19:02 <{Demo}2> oh but yr smart 19:02 <{Demo}2> damn that sounds like a nero thing to add 19:02 FIQhack updated (all servers) 19:02 Weird I can't find that helm 19:02 <{Demo}2> hoenstly 10 cha isnt that ugly 19:03 Ah no 19:03 <{Demo}2> but i think shks call u ugly 19:03 <@riker> hey demo: inc or clock arc 19:03 <{Demo}2> can barbs beat up gnome shks for being fucking nerds? 19:03 <{Demo}2> clock cause clock 19:03 <@riker> !rng clck | inc 19:03 @riker: inc 19:03 <{Demo}2> !rng Demo | u 19:03 {Demo}2: u 19:03 Zuggtmov? 19:03 <{Demo}2> ha it said me 19:03 <@riker> hm I guess I'll alternate when I splat 19:04 <@riker> sickness touching, rot touching bubbles I think 19:04 <@riker> @d?zuggtymoy 19:04 zuggtymoy ~1~ Zuggtmoy (&) | Lvl: 50 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 65 | Generates: unique | AC: -17 | Attacks: 1d12 claw sticky, 1d6 claw corrosion, 1d6 claw rot, 1d6 claw corrosion, 1d6 claw rot, 0d0 passive disease | Alignment: -15 | Flags: swims, amorphous, amphibious, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous 19:04 <@riker> have a unihorn and rustproofed armor, be careful of the spellcasting swamp nymphs 19:05 <{Demo}2> swamp nymphs deadly 19:05 Doesn't look too bad 19:05 not cold res so 19:05 <@riker> swamp nymphs are very lethal if you're not careful 19:05 <@riker> plus they spam curse gear 19:05 <@riker> hey demo: thoughts on chiro arcs existing? 19:06 <{Demo}2> i want churros 19:06 <{Demo}2> not sure, seems kinda weird 19:06 <{Demo}2> they are all clumsy and arcs are supposed to be dexterous 19:06 why are swamp nymphs bad? 19:06 <@riker> uh 19:06 <@riker> demo 19:06 <@riker> arcs start with literally 8 dex 19:06 <{Demo}2> well thats their fault for sucking 19:06 Andro prevents stealing 19:06 <{Demo}2> indiana jones could tie his shoes with his whip 19:06 <@riker> also, bats are fine for clumsy they just have like 14 con max 19:06 And i have an amulet of no cursing 19:06 <@riker> bubbles: sickness passive, spells casting, being fast 19:07 <{Demo}2> oh its hlf that arent dexy? 19:07 <@riker> yea 19:07 <@riker> hlf have 10 dex max, they CAN be arcs lmao 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) stole 6693 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Adjama's general store, on T:4277 19:08 <{Demo}2> indiana jones didnt fly over no pits 19:08 <@riker> bats are like garbage stats though 19:08 <{Demo}2> he whipped over them 19:08 <@riker> 20 20 (nice) 14 16 16 16 19:08 i won't hit them 19:08 <@riker> 16 wis / int seems funky for arc 19:08 <{Demo}2> yeah bad race 19:08 <{Demo}2> so is hlf 19:08 <@riker> but on the other hand why do they have garbage base stats that's like a worse orc 19:08 <{Demo}2> the only good races are (orc, inc, clk) 19:08 oh snap AntiVirus 19:08 <@riker> hlf at least has like all 20s but 10 right 19:08 lol what did you gank? 19:09 <@riker> demo: androids count as non-clck in my book and they're good 19:09 <{Demo}2> gank sounds like a word id make up 19:09 <{Demo}2> android r clk 19:09 +2 crystal plate mail 19:09 \o/ 19:09 thanks for fixing that weight dude 19:09 <@riker> vampires are also mediocre but nice demo 19:09 np 19:09 my pet would not pick it up, too heavy 19:09 crystal plate needs to be used 19:09 <{Demo}2> yes on vamps 19:09 <@riker> man now I want all clocks to be weldproof :/ 19:09 <{Demo}2> throw the cpm at a wall 19:09 <{Demo}2> and shatter it 19:09 cant 19:09 its not glass 19:10 <{Demo}2> too powerful 19:10 <{Demo}2> GEMSTONE 19:10 its dilithium 19:10 so I parked my pets on another level, dropped some extra gear on the floor down, went into the shop, wore the plate and read a scroll of teleport 19:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 19:10 so far the Kops are no big deal 19:10 <{Demo}2> to k2 19:10 NO internet 19:10 do not die now 19:10 <{Demo}2> whys my crystall ball glass?? 19:10 <{Demo}2> it says crystall but its not GEMSTONE 19:10 because its cheaply made 19:10 <{Demo}2> why the game lying? 19:10 <{Demo}2> goddamn gypsies 19:10 <{Demo}2> in slashem, they give out wishes 19:10 made in virginia 19:11 :P 19:11 <{Demo}2> in other variants, they peddle chinse macufcatured "crystal" balls 19:11 and I'm home free boys 19:11 made it downstairs 19:11 <{Demo}2> the only manufacturing that happens here is apples and ????? government jobs? and ships? 19:11 woooo 19:11 yeayuh! 19:11 -8 AC. much better than before 19:11 Also tie-tye <3 19:11 <{Demo}2> and by government jobs i mean the government manufacturers new jobs by making stuff up 19:11 tie-dye + cpm = hahahah screw you sickness 19:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Daemon, on T:49945 19:13 {Demo}2: crystal usually refers to leaded glass 19:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2338 19:13 crystal plate is naturally erodeproof isn't it? 19:14 this is pretty badass, still a little heavy but not ungodly so. 19:14 i think so 19:15 <@riker> not in dnethack 19:16 <{Demo}2> i dont think there is a variant where cpm isnt erodeproof naturally 19:16 hmm 19:16 if mithril gets a x5 sell price compared to copper 19:16 yeah I love that it only weighs 150 19:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 2606 points, T:4894, quit 19:16 then a copper item of the same kind that sells for more is probably enchanted 19:16 <@riker> demo: dnethack it isn't lol 19:16 thats a fix for a decade old irritation 19:17 <{Demo}2> what nah it totally is 19:17 <@riker> it's glass and shatters here 19:17 I have always wanted to carry it as a wizard, but could never handle the weight 19:17 <{Demo}2> thats not what erodeproof means 19:17 <{Demo}2> it dont rust it dont rot 19:17 <{Demo}2> it dont corrode it dont splot 19:17 <@riker> no, it can erode I believe now 19:17 <{Demo}2> wtf 19:17 <{Demo}2> nah 19:17 yeah cpm is fooproof 19:18 even from the monster spell 'destroy armor' 19:18 <@riker> it doesn't rust / rot but I thought it chipped in dnh now 19:18 <@riker> I remember seeing a bunch of new adjectives demo idk 19:18 hmm nice 19:18 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 19:19 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:20 man, it is so hard to part with spellbooks 19:20 even if they are heavy 19:22 riker: Chipped/fragmented/etc aren't for glass objects in dnh; I believe they're for (ceramic) masks. 19:23 Though glass objects probably should use those adjectives for their damage, I don't think there's any ways to damage CPM (in dnh) that aren't shattering it entirely 19:23 <@riker> ah I see 19:24 heya NeroOneTrueKing 19:24 <@riker> hey nero thoughts on making helms of OA work on pets? for arti purposes really? 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:1666 19:25 <@riker> also, it would be interesting if non-shatterproofed glass/ceramic stuff began chipping when hit by rending attacks 19:25 <{Demo}2> nah it wouldnt be 19:25 <@riker> yes it would 19:25 <{Demo}2> then u just wouldnt have armor cause itd break 19:25 <{Demo}2> oh rending 19:25 <{Demo}2> oh cool 19:25 <@riker> not any projectile lmao 19:25 i like how the myriad of glimpses pops in now and again to give me some potions 19:25 <{Demo}2> there r goofy ass variants that do that with glass armour/weapons 19:26 <{Demo}2> i dont know if any do that anymore 19:26 Glass should shatter entirely 19:26 As a downside 19:26 <{Demo}2> i know some tried it at some point and determined it didnt work well 19:28 <@riker> also demo am I tripping or did clockwork status lines previously say "waning" 19:28 <@riker> now they say hungry and only the message says waning 19:28 <{Demo}2> instead of hungry, yes 19:28 <@riker> yea 19:28 <{Demo}2> thats tots broken 19:28 <@riker> why was that changed 19:28 <{Demo}2> probably android related 19:28 <{Demo}2> wait no 19:28 <{Demo}2> idk chris broke something id guesss 19:29 <{Demo}2> investigate cause i cant lol 19:30 <@riker> no it's old 19:30 <{Demo}2> cannot decipher 19:31 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32 Stilettos in !slex?????? 19:33 <{Demo}2> they arent good 19:33 <{Demo}2> they slow u down 19:33 sokoban 2a 19:33 <{Demo}2> im not sure why they exist 19:33 rip 19:33 <{Demo}2> there used to be a bug where they could randomly be generated sivler but chris met stilleto, not stilletos 19:33 "Long gloves"? 19:33 i guess they are just flavour 19:33 <{Demo}2> yeah those are, uh, something 19:33 <{Demo}2> i forgot what 19:33 that level has lots of call outs to other variants I think 19:34 <{Demo}2> nah 19:34 <{Demo}2> they r coincidents 19:34 <@riker> asmo's? nah it's all just chris being wack 19:34 <@riker> they're just normal gloves I think, they're supposedly the ones 2b wears in nier I think 19:35 <{Demo}2> i think glasya is supposed to be pretty hot but i cant tell 19:35 <@riker> well she's got victorian underwear 19:35 I would totally bling things out as bad as Amy does, but nethack doesn't allow for much differentiation. 19:35 <@riker> and a gentlewomen's dress 19:35 But *probably* not the same *way* that Amy does. 19:36 <@riker> and no razor wire since that's buggy? :p 19:36 Unbalanced and unfun both. 19:36 Heat shimmer dances in the air above dopy. Dopy is covered in frost! 19:36 What is happening here 19:36 Ancient of Ice 19:36 Drawing the heat out of dopy. 19:37 well he died 19:37 such is life 19:37 and death 19:37 <{Demo}2> rip dopy 19:37 <{Demo}2> i see you got baalphagors level? 19:37 <{Demo}2> by see i mena guess? 19:37 There's an Ancient of Ice on Asmo's level. 19:37 I can't see it 19:38 Aha 19:38 It can do that through walls. 19:38 Cania 19:38 ah well 19:38 <@riker> it's one of the named dudes right 19:38 <@riker> yea 19:38 i don't actually have cold res either 19:38 oO 19:38 <{Demo}2> yeah run away 19:38 <{Demo}2> ull get turbod 19:39 You're brave going down to Asmo w/out cold res. 19:39 I think Asmo would one-shot you. 19:39 <{Demo}2> 9d9 AT_MAGC AD_COLD 19:39 <{Demo}2> also that but fire 19:40 large -1 glass fish bowl 19:40 Loving this level Chris_ANG <3 19:40 <{Demo}2> that item is strong 19:40 <{Demo}2> and thats like the only place to get it 19:40 <{Demo}2> hold for the one on nessus 19:40 I killed nessus I think 19:41 <{Demo}2> nessus is asmo land 19:41 <{Demo}2> wait this is nessus 19:41 Also why is there '>' glyph 19:41 but no staircase? 19:41 <{Demo}2> somehow though u meant baalphaegor 19:41 <{Demo}2> WAIT NOT BAAL baazelbub 19:41 There's a '>' in every corner 19:41 <{Demo}2> but also props on me for potentially spelling baalphaegor right 19:41 and one more in the very center (under Asmodeus) 19:41 <{Demo}2> dont fight asmo he'll rek u 19:42 <{Demo}2> he has -99 AC 19:42 <{Demo}2> and AD_HBLD 19:42 <{Demo}2> bleh 19:42 <{Demo}2> AD_HLBD 19:42 Demo: "Baalphegor", ae->e 19:42 <{Demo}2> oh well 19:43 The First Ashmade casts a spell at you! │ │% )))))> │$ A boulder drops out of the ceiling and hits you! 19:43 that wasn't very cash money of him 19:43 Now I can't hit them :-`/ 19:44 Um, I hope you acquired cold res in the last 5 minutes... 19:44 <@riker> are you seriously trying to enter the center room 19:45 I HAve TO 19:45 it is my destiny 19:45 i can't not do it 19:45 I have to learn by dying 19:45 <{Demo}2> so might be death :P 19:45 <{Demo}2> lol 19:45 <{Demo}2> ok 19:45 bubbles_nh: 8d8 on death strengthens future runs 19:45 also i'm four pints in 19:46 <{Demo}2> ahh 19:46 <{Demo}2> that makes sense 19:46 Still not enough for bloody nabby though is it 19:46 <{Demo}2> ok so this is something i dont understand 19:46 Hmm 19:46 he is hard to hit 19:47 OH FUCK 19:47 <{Demo}2> pint is a measurement we use in USA instead of metric system, but yall over on those dumb islands use the pint for drinks and its like yall use metric why yall talking pints for drink and nothing else 19:47 I thought I had the bloody trees bound 19:47 With the 20d202020202 silver/holy damage touch 19:47 So i could smash him while he is laughing 19:47 shitshit 19:47 if I break an alignment taboo do i lose a level and then lose the 30level spirit? 19:48 Yeah 19:48 Retreat is your pest option, I think. 19:49 Our pints are the correct 20 floz size, though, not 16. 19:49 <@Umby> Mistakes being made it sounds like 19:49 NO 19:49 I must press on 19:49 ... and our floz are the correct size too inasmuch as a floz of water weighs an ounce 19:49 As long as jester's mirth is off cooldown before he comes back 19:49 I'm good 19:49 He WILL LAUGH TO DeatH 19:50 Also my shift key is breaking which has actually made me mistype a few times ingame 19:50 <{Demo}2> hmmm 19:50 <{Demo}2> so basically the metric system took over all ur shit but ur drinks? 19:50 <{Demo}2> they were the only thing powerful enough to resist globalization? 19:50 [hdf-us] [sp] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 635 points, T:1495, killed by an orange dragon 19:51 Damn he was down to 150 hp before he ran away SCARED 19:51 Roadsigns are still in miles, people still sometimes weigh themselves in stone and pounds (and measure themselves in feet and inches)... but all science and engineering is done in metric 19:51 <{Demo}2> i gotta hand it to the UK in some ways 19:51 where did he go? 19:51 <{Demo}2> they kept their currency and dont seem totally globalized 19:53 <@riker> bubbles: wait, how did you get asmo to 150 hp 19:53 fuck you asmo 19:53 I think it's not impossible we'll end up in the euro by means of a brexit -> catastrophe -> rejoin EU without all our current exceptional benefits process 19:53 <@riker> dang ok 19:54 <@riker> warding + two trees? 19:54 No 19:54 jester's mirth 19:54 <@riker> ah that + two trees? 19:54 is like, 15 turns of free hitting him with a double damage silver artifact 19:54 <{Demo}2> drunk fury 19:54 <@riker> oh yeah 19:54 nah i just hit him with the mirror staff 19:54 <{Demo}2> what wrep u using? 19:54 <{Demo}2> wait u got 12 mirros? 19:54 <@riker> yeah no that's gonna do it 19:54 W - the blessed +6 silver Staff of Twelve Mirrors (weapon in hands) 19:54 <3 19:54 <@riker> that's literally uh 19:54 "op"? 19:54 <@riker> 6d20 silver per hit? 19:54 <@riker> well, d6 d20 silver per hit 19:55 + the mist strikes 19:55 <{Demo}2> dddddd20 19:55 plus all the extra damage 19:55 <@riker> jesus christ don't even use trees use miska 19:55 <@riker> annhilate shit 19:55 Doubled for striking from behind I think 19:55 <{Demo}2> treeeeeees 19:55 What does miska give me? 19:55 <{Demo}2> turbo hits 19:55 Although if you look now 19:55 we may have a small demon problem on our hands... 19:55 <{Demo}2> he blow sup 19:55 <@FIQ> how is miska useful for bar 19:55 <{Demo}2> into a lot of frogs 19:56 <{Demo}2> bar cant miska 19:56 <{Demo}2> only bin can 19:56 <{Demo}2> bar isnt near void 19:56 <@FIQ> already gives multiple hits and they don't stack 19:56 <@riker> tha'ts not how miska works anymore 19:56 bar? 19:56 what is bar? 19:56 <@riker> barbs 19:56 <@FIQ> Oh right sorry 19:56 Ahh 19:56 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 19:56 <{Demo}2> bar is where u go to get more pintds 19:56 With the "iterative" attacks? 19:56 <@riker> yea 19:56 true fact {Demo}2 ! 19:56 <@riker> miska lets you two-weapon (which is fine) 19:57 <@riker> but it also does fun stuff by giving you two more arms 19:57 Ahhh 19:57 <@riker> it will use the first two other weapons in your inventory and hit with them too 19:57 hot 19:57 So would it use the pen??? 19:57 <@FIQ> bar is dnh easymode 19:57 <@riker> yeah 19:57 <@riker> but don't do that 19:57 <@FIQ> vampire bar especially 19:57 <@riker> do wrath of heaven 2wep'd with pen of the void 19:57 riker how do i get myself out of this &-soup? 19:57 <@riker> kill them all 19:58 <@riker> and then do 12 mirrors and some other really good arti weapon for the 2 extra arms 19:58 <@FIQ> My fastest dnh asc was bar vam 19:58 <@FIQ> 13k turns iirc 19:58 <@riker> nice that's hella quick 19:58 <@riker> which keys did you get? 19:58 <{Demo}2> fiq u say that 19:58 <{Demo}2> but u havent worked out how to cut corners on ana :P 19:59 <@riker> ana is probably one of the easiest to do quick ngl 19:59 Should I just pray? 19:59 <@riker> no 19:59 <@riker> why woudl that work? 19:59 make them run away 19:59 <@FIQ> I don't remember but I basically ended up routing the path speedrun-style 19:59 Binder works in gehen 19:59 <@riker> they'll still cast 19:59 <@riker> annoyingly 19:59 <@FIQ> I was abusing TZ 19:59 i just want to get away from not being surrounded 19:59 <@riker> they're everywhere just start wacking 19:59 <@riker> *whacking 19:59 ok looks like we are safe 20:00 omg imagine eurynome here 20:00 With the retaliate 20:00 <@FIQ> So before chris fixed it I figured I'd make a dnh speedrun 20:00 what the cuss is a hellfire colossus and why does it look like a gnome? :x 20:00 <@FIQ> I had 3 attempts that got past TZ wish 20:01 <@FIQ> Died to a swamp nymph the exact same way in the exact same Gehennom lair twice 20:01 <@riker> RIP 20:01 <@riker> passive ill? 20:01 <@FIQ> The 3rd run I got random throne geno midway through the regular dungeon 20:01 so yeah Chris_ANG what's all this fuss asmo 20:01 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:01 Chris_ANG: he needs a buff if anything 20:01 And/or jester's mirth needs a nerf 20:02 <@FIQ> Decided to geno swamp nymph because I didn't feel like having the same fate a 3rd time 20:02 Maybe a to-hit roll? 20:02 . 20:02 AntiGulp: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-10-16 16:38 EDT: lesson 0: oh my god why did I decide my variant needs tiles at all, when I could add so many more monsters in the time it takes me to create one tile :P 20:02 <@FIQ> Yeah passive ill 20:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4764 20:02 K2 odd message "Your crystal plate mail stone blocks its attack." 20:02 <@FIQ> it stonewaĺls it 20:03 <@riker> bubbles: no jester's mirth hella needs a nerf 20:03 <@riker> it's not asmo lol 20:03 !tell LarienTelrunya Because tiles make a variant more accessible, and because I like pixelart :) 20:03 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, AntiGulp. 20:03 while blind, not sure if that may affects the message 20:03 <@riker> I'm pretty sure it's been nerfed before at least tho 20:03 riker yeah true 20:03 stone block sounds like a killer monk power tho 20:03 riker I was being glib! 20:03 To be honest it's the payoff for all the poor binder shades I've left behind 20:03 <@FIQ> @AntiGulp slex has too many monsters to make it feasible to create a tileset 20:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Neu), 4171 points, T:5109, quit 20:04 @FIQ Oh absolutely. Even procedrually generating one is unviable. 20:04 <@FIQ> I don't think NH will be very happy trying 20:04 <@riker> hm jester's mirth is d5 + lvl/10, so 3-8 at lvl 30 20:04 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 55750 points, T:20260, killed by a death ray 20:05 <@riker> that's not that bad for length but imo it should be resistable 20:05 Personally, adding monsters takes a while because (a) my compiler is incredibly slow, and (b) I like each monster to have at least one unique attribute that makes it totally unique from everything else. 20:06 peaceful invisible Dispater 20:06 interesting... 20:06 riker but with speed that is about 4-11 free combat rounds no? 20:07 <@riker> ah nice dispater's level si great 20:07 <@riker> riker: yeah probably 20:07 <@riker> er, bubbles: yeah probably 20:07 i can ignore him because he's peaceful no? 20:07 <@riker> i am a smart man 20:07 Or does he have something that i want to kill him for? 20:07 I want to kill him honestly... 20:09 <@riker> probably could dig 20:09 <@riker> he does have an artifact for points 20:09 But wait: 20:09 jester's mirth 20:09 strikes again 20:10 Did i want green or yellow scales? 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:1123 20:14 AntiGulp: Have you looked at fourk's monster consolidations at all? 20:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 877 points, T:2790, killed by a gnome lord 20:14 aosdict: No, I haven’t . I’m not familiar with fourk in almost any capacity. 20:14 <@riker> bubbles: do you have marionette or iris bound? 20:14 <@riker> I'd probably go with green at this point if your'e willing to be careful and carry 2 lizards in open inventory 20:15 I have 2 lizards, but neither mar nor iris 20:15 AntiGulp: That was in essence the philosophy of "before adding new monsters that fill niches in a way that no other monster does, first eliminate monsters that fill the same niche, or vary them to be more distinct" 20:15 <@riker> yeah go for green then imo 20:15 although then i can't read my shirt but such is life 20:16 <@riker> well you don't need to to cure sickness anymore with green 20:16 <@riker> lol 20:16 <@riker> I generally like yellow dsm since I'm worried about stuff casting flesh to stone but it seems you've cleared most of hell? 20:16 also why is my hp not getting buffed? 20:16 ah true re sickness 20:16 i have to kill demo, not sure how much of hell left tbh 20:17 aosdict: Huh! That makes sense; I think creating redundant monsters is a big problem when adding new ones. I have you to thank for that, since I think it was you who clled me out on that early. 20:18 <@riker> you don't have to kill demo lol 20:18 <@riker> make sure you're properly blind for him too 20:18 <@riker> even if you freeze him you don't want t oget drained 20:18 I do need to kill him! 20:18 AntiGulp: Not that I can really remember any concrete examples from fourk. I don't recall this happening much with splice; what were some redundant monsters you added? 20:19 Fior honour! 20:19 aosdict: Servals. They were a feline with difficulty on par with that of a jackal. 20:19 oh yeah, servals 20:20 <@riker> how drunk are you now bubbles 20:20 aosdict: As an example of my process now, I wanted to add Bar-Lguras from SLASH’EM, but they’re incredibly uninteresting there. So I gave them an abduction attack which allows them to teleport the player while teleporting with them, as they can canonically do in D&D. 20:20 <@riker> i hate that attack 20:21 riker moderately, not too bad though 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] jessek (Val Dwa Fem Law), 530 points, T:2186, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:22 rikersan my drunkeness level is such that confusion doesn't affect me too much, I guess 20:22 though I did just burn myself trying to make pot noodles, so there's that. 20:22 Also is this the final level of hell I'm on? 20:23 <@riker> nessus should have been the final 20:23 it bloody well is 20:23 ah is nessus where asmo hangs out? 20:23 <@riker> yep 20:23 <@riker> thus the nessian pit fiends ;p 20:23 Well there are "XXX" monsters on levels that are not called "XXX"! 20:24 do the nessian pit fiends not spawn elsewhere then? 20:24 because that monster summoning was a pain in the arse 20:24 <@riker> there's one in demo's lair 20:24 <@FIQ> K2 you never told me how to get hp and hpmax to be the same color 20:24 Well then let's to demo's lair and post-haste! 20:24 <@riker> the rest are just "pit fiends" 20:24 <@riker> nessian ones are stronger 20:24 Also riker why is my hp not going up? 20:25 <@riker> from what 20:25 <@riker> do you have buer still? 20:26 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 20:26 <@FIQ> afk sleep 20:27 riker max hp 20:27 <@riker> from what 20:27 <@riker> what are you doing 20:28 <@riker> there's a cap on all healing pot hp btw now, it will get less as you have more hp I believe 20:29 Ah ok, was using full heal but not getting more than 420 hp 20:29 <@riker> yeah that's probably the cap 20:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 4599 points, T:4132, killed by a hill orc 20:30 So i should be saving full heals 20:31 bugger ok thanks! 20:31 <@riker> yeah don't bother quaffing any mor eprobably 20:31 <@riker> @ChrisANG archeologists have to like dig carefully but they start with 7 dex? hm 20:33 oh dear 20:33 i forgot to blind myself 20:33 oopsies 20:33 <{Demo}2> ow 20:33 right 20:33 So 20:34 <@riker> yeah ok 20:34 Demogorgon is pretty poopy 20:34 <@riker> !lastgame dnh 20:34 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1571271295.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571180418.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1567441396.dnh.txt 20:34 <{Demo}2> no surprising 20:34 We leave and we learn! 20:34 <{Demo}2> hes a crazy mofo 20:34 <{Demo}2> not meant to be fought 20:34 <{Demo}2> but now u know how much 20:34 <@riker> he's literally considered the worst monster in the game I think 20:34 with free action he'd be fine right? 20:34 <@riker> no 20:34 <{Demo}2> god no 20:34 <@riker> lol 20:34 <@riker> demo: which is worse, lamashtu or asmo? 20:34 <@riker> i'd say lamashtu probably 20:34 <{Demo}2> i have never kille ddemo 20:34 It's just the mesmerize that gets you no? 20:34 <{Demo}2> yeah lamas 20:34 <@riker> I've done it ONCE 20:34 <{Demo}2> i have never killed lamas 20:34 <{Demo}2> only asmo 20:34 <@riker> and it was a first-turn-he-appeared behead 20:35 <@riker> :) 20:35 <@riker> !lastgame bubbles 20:35 @riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571180418.dnh.txt 20:35 <@riker> bubbles: I believe the standard demo pre-fight is to curse everything so he can't filth it away 20:36 <@riker> have multiple "oLS, be very fast, invisble, etc. 20:36 <@riker> enchant all your stuff as high as it can go (it will get shredded) 20:36 but I didn't get to act 20:36 Well, twice 20:36 <@riker> preferably have curse resistance and multiple unicorn horns 20:36 You meet the gaze of Aameul, left head of Demogorgon! 20:36 You are mesmerized! 20:37 <@riker> well 20:37 this was the bit that smashed me most 20:37 I did have curse res 20:37 <@riker> free action should have been very clear for most bosses 20:37 So if you have free action 20:37 <@luxidream> filth? 20:37 <@riker> free action + blindness (his drain gaze bypasses drain res) is important too 20:37 <@riker> sickness res is almost essential too 20:37 Yeah i should have blinded 20:37 ah yolo! 20:37 <@riker> sober you may regret this 20:37 i think it's orcing time now 20:37 <@riker> luxidream: are you asking what it is or asking about why I didn't mention it 20:37 <@riker> oh, I mentinoed the spelll 20:37 riker nah 20:37 <@luxidream> what is it 20:38 <@riker> luxi: filth is a monster spell that greases things, wets your stuff, makes your weps and rings slip off, makes you sick and vomiting (paralysis for a bit) 20:38 <@riker> it's demo's special spell 20:38 I know if I tried to play more sedately I'd ascend more, but I don't really mind/care, I honestly love playing 20:38 It took me something like 4 years to ascend vanilla from when I started playing 20:38 <@riker> also why tf did you have nudziarth bound lol 20:38 <@luxidream> gotcha thanks 20:38 riker it was a mistake 20:39 riker I was trying to do the tree people but got confused which was which 20:39 You made the top ten list! 20:39 Also this! 20:39 <@riker> nice lol 20:39 <@riker> hey demo do you know if blood potion intrinsics last for a while 20:40 <{Demo}2> no clue 20:41 Also now I know about the stupid margul/cursed stuff 20:41 so I won't lose so many attrib points to it 20:42 <@riker> for what it's worth there's another way to cure it if nobody told you - prayer on an altar (on the altar only) 20:43 <@riker> I just was really busy since I was like 15 min from the PSAT lol 20:43 <@luxidream> gotta get that scholarship money 😉 20:43 <@luxidream> gl 20:44 PSAT? 20:44 ahhh ok so prayer works, that makes it less bad I guess 20:44 <@riker> thanks luxi lmao 20:44 and nice! found a grave early on, chuco will be mine 20:44 <@riker> bubbles: I'm a high school kid in california, it's a US test thing 20:45 <@riker> it's not like o-levels or anything like that it's the practice version of a common college entrance exam 20:45 ugh 20:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1327 20:45 Ah cool where abouts in cali? I used to travel there quite a lot for work. 20:47 <@riker> pasadena area? 20:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 3532 points, T:1684, quit 20:52 Not heard of it sorry! I was in san jose mostly 20:52 Computer innit 20:53 <@riker> bay area sucks come to socal 20:53 <@riker> (pasadena is relatively close to LA on the grand scale of california) 20:55 <@luxidream> you live so close to a round 1 20:55 <@luxidream> I'm jealous lol 20:55 <@riker> round 1 what 20:56 <@luxidream> japanese arcade chain 20:56 <@luxidream> came to america somewhat recently 20:56 <@riker> in rowland hills? 20:56 <@riker> that aint close 20:57 <@riker> hm actually I'm relatively close to it, it's just not very close to LA :p 21:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:970 21:13 <@luxidream> !who 21:13 @luxidream: [hdf-us] karibou [sp] luxor [slshm] rikersan [dnh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:14 riker what does "filth encrusted" mean> 21:14 Sorry filth-crusted * 21:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Inc Mal Law), 10387 points, T:2420, killed by an Uruk-hai, while helpless 21:21 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 21:21 <@riker> ah yes engraving 21:21 <@riker> bubbles: filth-crusted means it has disease causing poison 21:21 <@riker> it works like poisoning (instakill chance and damage vs non-resistant monsters) but I think it's d12 extra damage instead of d10, and disease res is much rarer 21:31 Right I must to bed 21:31 nn all and many thanks for the support/help! :-) 21:31 <@riker> cya bubbles 21:31 <@riker> bruh is it 2 am for you 21:31 <@riker> lol 21:31 much appreciated 21:32 Yeah was on holiday 21:32 got an interview tomorrow at like 10am 21:32 <@riker> ah okay 21:32 <@riker> good luck! 21:32 Thanks ^^ 21:32 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42 <@malor> @bubbles_nh I went back and read the chat log from the point where you beat Asmodeus! You are one brave Binder! I always evade the demon/devil lords whenever I can and I get nervous even then 🙂 21:44 <{Demo}2> its such a great story 21:45 <{Demo}2> running the gauntlet and getting the gauntlet run on you 21:45 <@riker> yeah ngl that was hilarious 21:47 <@riker> huh hey k2 why isn't the irc log tracking all of beholder's msgs 21:49 whats missing 21:49 My computer just played a stock explosion sound effect out of nowhere what the hell is happening 21:51 end of days 21:51 <{Demo}2> so I went to waffle house and tried to get an egg 21:52 <{Demo}2> but it was like well over 2 dollars or something insane 21:52 <{Demo}2> but an egg on a biscuit is only 1.50, what a wild world to live in 21:52 {Demo}2: arbitrage time? 21:53 <{Demo}2> I mean if u really want cheap egg u just ask nicely 21:53 <{Demo}2> and by nicely I mean egg biscuit hold the biscuit 21:53 <{Demo}2> also idk who goes to waffle house and just wants egg 21:53 no I mean like 21:54 buy egg biscuit 21:54 eat biscuit 21:54 sell egg 21:54 $.50 profit 21:54 <{Demo}2> nobody wants the egg 21:54 <{Demo}2> no buyers 21:54 obviously someone wants it 21:54 otherwise it wouldn't be on their menu 21:55 Every experience I’ve had at waffle house has been incrediblly surreal. I only have ever been there on 3 hours of sleep 21:55 <{Demo}2> lol idk how rare ordering just egg is but it's probably hella rare 21:55 <{Demo}2> I go to waffle house a lot because it's like scratchers 21:55 <{Demo}2> you get a chance at a good rush 21:55 <{Demo}2> cause every now and then you get to watch some pretty funny shit go down 21:56 waffle house! 21:56 or denny's if waffle house is not available 21:56 <{Demo}2> also you can talk about basically whatever u want and not have to worry about hmm should I say this in public 21:56 <{Demo}2> and yeah dennys prices are better honestly 21:56 <{Demo}2> but it isn't quite as trashy, at least around here 21:58 man i miss waffle house 21:58 eggs and hash browns at 3am when drunk 21:58 and BACON 21:58 and toast 21:58 and... its waffle house 21:58 <{Demo}2> yeah 21:59 <@riker> k2 asmo kill and demo killed by, bubbles dnh hfe 22:02 damn 22:02 i go do family time for a bit and bubbles gets killed by demogorgon 22:02 wtf 22:03 <{Demo}2> it was really funny though 22:03 <{Demo}2> we were like nooooo dont do it and he was like i gotta killemall idc if i die 22:03 <{Demo}2> im impressed he got through asmo as well as he did 22:04 asmo is a bastard in dnh right 22:04 <{Demo}2> he is defensive bastard 22:04 <{Demo}2> like what i cant hit him and he slows kills u and heals himself 22:05 <{Demo}2> demo is the opposite where its like lol i hope u didnt like being alive cause now ur dead 22:05 lol 22:05 <{Demo}2> i ought to kill a dnh demo just for the sake of it but im too smart to do it 22:05 <{Demo}2> its just not a smart call 22:05 <{Demo}2> there is literally no good reason to do it other than to do it 22:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51746 22:06 <{Demo}2> and that really ruins my ability to do it cause theres no reason for me to and its just stupid risk for no reason and i dont jive well with that 22:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:51814 22:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:51833 22:07 <{Demo}2> ah lucky 22:07 <{Demo}2> amulet express ala a horror 22:08 <@malor> so the wandering horror that appeared at the entrance to the level "after the vibrating square" had the Amulet of Yendor. I identified it and it is good. Can I skip that whole level then? 22:10 rofl 22:13 <{Demo}2> yes 22:16 <@malor> Ok I didn’t see that the log credited me with a kill. Nice. That happened once before but I didn’t realize it and just assumed that the amulet was a fake and left it on the ground :) I killed the actual elder priest and everyone else and then went back and was like “ok then” 🙂 22:17 <@malor> Since then I have always brought a few scrolls of identify with me and check the identify right away 🙂 22:19 <{Demo}2> can't you put fakes in a container? 22:19 <@riker> malor: yeah the horrors are occasionally covetous and do that 22:20 <@riker> in additino the wiz will do that, that's what I always try to do 22:20 <@riker> (the last time I got tired of waiting - check the scoreboard for a dwarven arc, killed by the elder priest >.>) 22:20 <@malor> This is only the second time it has happened for me. 22:20 <@riker> the horrors aren't always covetous, tha'ts part of who they are :p (randomized stats) 22:21 <@riker> but you burn 7x hept on the upstair in the sanctum level and wait a while teh wiz will eventually appear 22:21 <@riker> he'll warp away for a couple turns, kill the priest & yoink the amulet, and warp back to you :) 22:21 <@malor> I see. I was ready for the fight even though I have no ranged attack other than my fire breath 🙂 22:22 <@riker> uh you would have died 22:22 <@malor> I doubt it. I have melee killed the elder with a lot less power. 22:22 <@riker> hm really? I find him to be very RNG 22:22 <@riker> like I think I've killed him once and he was no issue at all 22:23 <@riker> but then once/twice he got a full attack routine on me and I just died instantly :/ 22:23 <@riker> he's hella squishy so I guess it comes down to whether you can get the first hit or not 22:23 !tell FIQ look at https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc - search for 'hilite_status' its right there, my first 2 entries 22:23 No worries, K2, I've got this! 22:23 <@malor> The other time I left the amulet on the floor I killed her 4 times, 2 in straight melee before I completely cleared the room and realized my error 22:23 <@riker> LOL 22:24 @riker usually when an irclog entry is missing is because beholder bot reset 22:24 or maybe a netsplit 22:24 or maybe its the devils work 22:25 <@riker> well the other msgs around it are there 22:26 <@riker> https://paste.ee/p/RwFvP 22:26 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 22:26 <@riker> didn't do asmo either, same deal 22:27 hmm 22:27 definitely the devils work 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] jessek (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:5859 22:35 <@riker> hey demo: fun combos that aren't super OP? so not something stupid like clck sam or bs like that 22:35 wow that took 7 fountains of dipping... 22:37 heh 22:37 yeah sometimes the RNG can be a real jerk 22:40 <{Demo}2> noble elf is fun :P 22:40 K2 odd message "Your crystal plate mail stone blocks its attack." <--- gotta remember that 22:41 jessek: It took you 6 fountains figuring out which ones the Lady of the Lake DOESN'T live. 22:41 <@riker> demo: oh yeah I forgot that! :p 22:41 <@riker> I'll probably do elven priest since they're funnier 22:42 Your crystal plate mail stone deflects the rothe's attack. 22:42 ^ rofl 22:42 wtf is going on there 22:42 <@riker> it's the new heart of ahriman rework 22:42 <@riker> i'ts just a really squished CPM 22:42 lol 22:43 <{Demo}2> the ring of phul but it's a body ring 22:44 <@riker> i swear to god why do elven priests not start with elven maces yet 22:44 <@riker> ?? 22:44 <{Demo}2> they do? 22:44 <@riker> no 22:44 <@riker> mithril mace 22:44 <{Demo}2> ohhh 22:44 <{Demo}2> I'm thinking of ndnh 22:44 <@riker> i'm going to make a PR that changes literally one thing and it's a mace->elven mace replacement for elves 22:45 <{Demo}2> do it 22:46 <@riker> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/pull/262 22:50 why was that not a thing? 22:51 Is there much difference between an elven mace and a basic one? 22:51 <@riker> I think it's d6/d6+1 vs d7/d7+1, and iron vs wood ofc 22:52 <@riker> I believe it was just a simple oversight 22:52 <@riker> (it's a dnh only item so I think it was just missed for starting invent purposes when chris added it) 22:53 Don't forget player monsters. 22:53 <@riker> oh, do they use the same starting invent rules? 22:53 Though they're all human, aren't they? 22:53 No 22:53 <@riker> not in dnethack I don't think? 22:54 <@riker> I know I've seen non-human ones in specific areas, but I don't know about astral :/ probably all human 22:54 oh? 22:54 <@riker> dnh has a unique dragon dude named the Platinum Dragon, he has a bunch of player half-dragon monsters around him 22:55 <@riker> they're a bit slower + have a breath attack, identical to human ones in terms of gear and stuff (half-dragons don't have any special gear, just apples/carrots -> tripe) 22:55 <@riker> grep looks like the only use of an elven mace right now is a base artifact type, lmao 22:56 Mm..~ 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jessek (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:8067 23:14 ?? I'm in sokoban 23:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4379 23:20 can my magicbane be evaporated if I kill a co-aligned unicorn? 23:20 a magic missile bounced, killed a gray unicorn, very next thing my magicbane is gone! 23:20 I checked the ttyrec and there's no message about where it disappeared to. 23:21 No.. 23:21 my luck was extra high because I'd been feeding it dozens of gems 23:22 well... looking closer... there's a woodnymph adjacent. I would expect a message that she swiped my magicbane, though 23:22 <@riker> did you throw the wrong thing? or drop it? 23:23 oh jeez, that little tart stole it! 23:24 sorry, I blame tired eyes. Totally missed this key bit of evidence "The wood nymph stole the blessed rustproof +6 Magicbane." 23:24 ... wouldn't it have made sense to search the ttyrec for the last occurrence of "Magicbane" ? 23:24 <@riker> ah, that would be important wouldn't it 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] jessek (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10568 23:25 Pinkbeast: usually... but I play with curses so it's always on the screen 23:25 Ah. Bother. Except presumably it wasn't once it disappeared from your inventory? 23:25 good point! 23:25 -!- jessek has quit [] 23:26 she has a shield of reflection so can't mm her. I guess I'll have to punch her to death. I wouldn't dare take out vorpal around her. 23:27 got it 23:28 a little excitement during an otherwise boring extinction run 23:32 <@luxidream> nymphs don't have a weapon attack 23:34 <@riker> I think he just doesn't want it stolen 23:35 last thing I need is vorpal laying around while I'm mass summoning monsters 23:36 you could also use fireball 23:36 she can't reflect that 23:37 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 23:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 17792 points, T:7379, killed by a mumak calf 23:43 <@riker> why do I do stupid things on good runs? 23:43 <@riker> and other questions science still can't answer :/ 23:50 On a bad run, there's less time to make bad decisions. 23:50 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:50 <@riker> this is a very fair point 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3284 points, T:3187, killed by a wolf, while sleeping