00:00 I think it depends on both 00:03 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:07 <@Umby> Speaking of I converted a random alter and Blind Io sent a coautl after me 00:09 <@ChrisANG> I believe it's based on the difficulty level, which is the average of your level and the dungeon level. 00:09 <@riker> chris; by the way that same function is still used for tame minions which is stupid imo 00:10 <@ChrisANG> Why? You shouldn't get throne archons on DL one šŸ˜› 00:11 <@riker> er, is not based on that 00:11 <@riker> the tame minion thing does level_difficulty only, so xp has exactly no bearing on tame minions 00:11 <@ChrisANG> Oh 00:11 <@riker> which seems funky to me - you'd think your god would at least notice you're ready for the asc run before giving you a tame small cave lizard or something 00:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Dispater, on T:67666 00:12 <@riker> which is fair enough but wack I think 00:12 <@riker> also the chance is so goddamn low it's not even funny I believe i've gotten a pet from an altar ONCE 00:13 <@riker> in my entire history of playing dnh. which is odd, since this can happen on literally any sacrifice that otherwise does nothing 00:17 <@riker> I believe it comes out to a roughly 1/1000 chance at xp 1 luck 0 per sacrifice, which is hella low (and just gets less likely until 1/3600 at lvl 30, 0 luck 00:24 Huh. At *those* odds it should just give you the strongest pet in the array <_< 00:25 <@riker> honestly lmao 00:25 <@riker> please make sure I'm reading this right, but it's two sucessive rnl((30 + u.ulevel)*10) < 10 checks 00:27 <@riker> so at lvl 30 it's rnd(600) < 10 twice (assuming luck is negligible, which I believe it is since rnl was NOT designed for big numbers), so it's just 1/60 * 1/60 = 1/3600 00:29 900? 00:29 30*30 = 900? 00:29 <@riker> no, it's (30+30)*10 which is 600 I think? 00:29 Ah, right? 00:29 + not * 00:30 <@Umby> Assuming proper order of ops it's 600 yeah 00:30 <@riker> yeah at lvl 1 it's 961 I think (31^2) 00:31 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:31 <@riker> which is still HELLA low 00:31 <@riker> at that rate - after around 2500 sacrifices you'll have a 50/50 shot at a pet (all the sacs at lvl 1) 00:31 <@riker> er, at lvl 30 00:33 <@riker> lvl 1 you'd want around 675 for 50/50, around 100 for a 1/10 shot :/ 00:36 It's ok if it fades out at the high end, but that's too rare on the low end, yeah. 00:37 <@riker> IMO it should also be based off of and or something like that 00:51 Apparently the portal to the black market can be on Medusa's floor. 00:52 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 01:05 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] luxor [slshm] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 01:11 <@Umby> Even a gal like Medusa needs her wares, huh? 01:16 I wonder whether she'd get a good price for her adventurer statues 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:74881 01:25 Ugh, bedtime. 01:33 <@Umby> Dude that Perseus statue would make her richer than Croesus 01:38 I'm trying to get a purple worm to eat One-eyed Sam in wizard mode 01:39 apparently it needs to be at least level 23 01:39 @v?purple worm 01:39 purple worm (w) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 2d8 bite physical, 1d10 engulf digest | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, oviparous 01:39 * NCommander rises from the dead 01:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:42 Well, the room with the portal is now full of One-eyed Sam's assistants. 01:42 o/ 01:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:56 <@Umby> 'lo NCom 01:56 <@Umby> Finally went back to that cursed mine floor in my game 01:56 <@Umby> You think I can clear it with XL20, glass golem/ogre king pets and Vorpal Blade/silver sabre? 01:56 <@Umby> :B 01:57 <@magicbymcluxey> Andrio: itā€™ll have a hard time hitting her 01:57 <@Umby> Oh no, mindflayer 01:57 <@Umby> Gonna have to fire darts/death wand at some point 01:58 <@Umby> WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S A BALROG 01:58 <@Umby> I can probably kill it but I missed the sheer amount of devils down here the first time 01:58 <@Umby> Did this motherfucker die with the amulet or what 01:59 <@Umby> wooooooooow 01:59 <@Umby> Balrog with the paralysis blindness combo 01:59 NCommander: *bundle* ;) 01:59 <@Umby> dick move 01:59 <@Umby> oh nice, green dragon 01:59 * NCommander is bundled 02:00 <@Umby> THERE'S A BLACK DRAGON TOO 02:00 * NCommander has been out of action due to a pinched nerve and serious pain 02:00 <@Umby> aw fuck this 02:00 <@Umby> also literally standing on someone's grave lol 02:00 or in other words, I know what a C compiler experiences when fed SLEX's monst.c 02:00 NCommander awwwwww :( I hope you feel better soon! 02:00 * LarienTelrunya offers a fleecy massage 02:00 heh, slex's monst.c has almost 30k entries now 02:01 * NCommander feels momentarily better, before his right arm snaps off 02:01 <@Umby> yeah this guy was carrying too much stuff 02:01 <@Umby> or that's just a pile of shit from dead people 02:01 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 02:01 NCommander: the next slex version will be so cool, there's a freeplay after ascension mode and the new symbiosis skill :) 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:461 02:03 freeplay? 02:03 * NCommander is suddenly reminded of Factorio 02:03 Which has been my drug^H^H^H^H game of choice 02:03 well, it means that if you ascend, the game isn't over and you can instead go on playing with that char, with whatever loot you got from the planes, and you can even revisit the planes later 02:04 i.e. the regular dungeon is still there and the player has the chance to do any dungeon branches they've skipped 02:04 cool! 02:04 AntiVirus: Message from bug_sniper at 2019-10-14 00:32 EDT: people kill the oracle because when pets attack him/her, they die from the retaliation. And the retaliation is very strong for the level 02:04 hi 02:04 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought 02:04 hello 02:04 Hello AntiVirus, Welcome to #hardfought 02:04 IMHO every variant should implement my freeplay mode or a variation thereof :P 02:05 <@Plisp> hi 02:05 Hello @Plisp, Welcome to #hardfought 02:05 do you get to turn on explore mode after you win? 02:06 bug_sniper: naaaaah 02:06 you can still die normally and the game ends if you don't have life saving 02:06 this obviously means that gameplay-wise you don't become a demigod after all 02:08 amd do you get to stay in if you use the wrong high altar? 02:08 no, if you do that the game still ends immediately 02:10 LarienTelrunya, if your a soviet character, do you get to explore your dacha on the black sea? 02:10 LOL :D unfortunately not 02:11 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11 and what happens if you return to your quest friendlies after having done what they asked for? 02:12 a magical silver flail 02:12 what is this ^ 02:12 <@Umby> Yep 02:12 unidentified item called "magical" 02:12 <@Umby> I was right, some did die down here after all 02:12 <@Umby> though no sign of any artifacts 02:13 bug_sniper: the plan is that eventually they will reward you with a "heroes' meal" or something 02:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13 yeah. Until then, they'll act like you still need to do your homework 02:15 <@Umby> Oh look, second ghost 02:15 seriously though, I've never seen an object described as "magical" what is this? 02:15 <@Umby> makes sense multiple people would die here 02:15 <@Umby> I say second, but this is the first ghost I've seen 02:15 LarienTelrunya, it's hard to play games that require excessive amounts of planning like NetHack :(, Factorio at least I can load a save, although I've had massive fun with MP rampant 02:15 !who 02:15 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh363] luxor [slshm] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:15 <@Umby> oh my god 02:16 <@Umby> the shmuck died on the stairs with fucking Mjolnir 02:16 <@Umby> and Excalibur 02:16 <@Umby> And SDSM 02:16 did you switch to playing online? 02:16 <@Umby> no 02:16 because otherwise, shmuck is you 02:16 <@Umby> oh no I'm enjoying myself on an uncommon platform 02:17 <@Umby> man, it's gonna take a minute to sort through this shit 02:17 right, you play offline on mobile right? so those would be your bones 02:17 NCommander: excessive amounts of planning? actually nethack lets you improvise quite a bit 02:17 maybe umby has hearse 02:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:17 <@Umby> ^ 02:17 lol 02:17 <@Umby> I literally have hearse so these are other people I'm finding lmfao 02:17 <@Umby> probably explains why my Grayswandir wish bombed though 02:17 <@Umby> too many artifacts 02:18 <@Umby> which means my plan to get Magicbane eventually is probably right out also 02:18 how does hearse even work, it has to make sure that everyone is using the same version so that the bones are compatible, right? 02:18 wtf 02:18 c - an uncursed pine wand (0:4) 02:18 <@Umby> amnesia happened 02:18 how the hell do I know the number of charges, without identification 02:18 <@Umby> either that or partial IDs are a thing 02:18 oh 02:18 yep 02:18 <@Umby> I just said 02:18 <@Umby> foo 02:18 zombie ate brain 02:18 <@Umby> :B 02:18 you are correct 02:18 <@Umby> that'll do it 02:18 LarienTelrunya, more like "how do I not die to this mind flayer" 02:19 @magicbymcluxey he ate her eventually 02:19 huh? in vanilla I'd say "blessed scroll of genocide" :P 02:19 <@Umby> speaking of that master mind flayer I death wanded definitely killed one guy down here 02:19 It does require at least one wraith reverse genocide though. 02:19 <@Umby> might've done this second guy too 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 720 points, T:1460, killed by a dwarf 02:19 <@Umby> oh he died on the downstairs btw 02:19 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:20 <@Umby> feels bad if he was actually that close to getting away 02:20 <@Umby> thank god I made holy water earlier to uncurse all this 02:20 <@Umby> still the tedium 02:21 <@Umby> I have to recharge all this energy to ID this guy's death drops now 02:22 <@Umby> and I can't wish for like Eye of the Aetheopica 02:22 <@Umby> because he died with like two artifacts 02:22 <@Umby> and god knows what else in his bag of holding 02:22 <@Umby> >N - the cursed rustproof +5 Mjolnir 02:23 <@Umby> yeah the MMF had to have done this dude in 02:24 <@Umby> lessee, blank this thing rq 02:25 <@Umby> oh, need water to blank it 02:25 <@Umby> lol 02:25 <@Umby> like plain water 02:26 <@Umby> ah well, time to write ID scrolls by hand 02:26 oh snap 02:26 LarienTelrunya, one doesn't always have a scroll of monster deletion 02:26 whatever this item is its sick 02:26 The toxic magical silver flail infects the lichen! 02:27 No, the lichen is sick. 02:27 don't thresh any wheat with it 02:28 LarienTelrunya, you'd probably enjoy playing Factorio with Rampant and Bob's enemies, it has enemies that lay land mines, breath fire, web you, and just explode 02:28 <@Umby> +2 gauntlets of power 02:28 <@Umby> expected that 02:29 NCommander: personally I think players overstate how bad amnesia is; if it happens early, you won't have much that you can forget anyway, and if you don't want it to happen lategame, you just use a blessed genocide on 'h' (once you get the wow at the castle you're guaranteed to be able to do so) :D 02:30 <@Umby> mad wands in this sack 02:30 <@Umby> now I'm really mad an EotA wish would bomb 02:30 <@Umby> this could be a secondary stash for fuck's sake 02:30 NCommander: meh the factorio graphics don't look appealing to me, and it's probably real-time too 02:31 "Toxic Silver Flail of Venom" 02:31 what is this, diablo? 02:31 we have "magic items" now 02:31 * LarienTelrunya wants a stellar flail of osmosis :P 02:31 K2 did you add a bunch of new stuff 02:31 HAHA 02:31 AntiVirus: you never played grunthack? that's where the magical items are originally from 02:32 never 02:32 I guess I just ran into my first one in EH 02:32 not sure if evilhack is like grunthack in that regard, where magical items don't reveal that they have magical properties until you either identify them or read a "scroll of detect magic" on the level they're on 02:32 aparently wizards auto identify the magical property 02:33 ah, that sounds like it might indeed be the case, because in grunthack it's also so that wizards see if an item is magical 02:33 I'm playing a wizard so it makes sense I knew right away 02:33 <@Umby> partial IDs confirmed 02:33 i.e. if you're a non-wizard, an item might be magical and you'd never know 02:33 <@Umby> Also sooooooo 02:33 <@Umby> soooo many unID'd rings in here 02:33 but I suppose you might see the messages 02:33 <@Umby> I'm literally gonna be here forever 02:33 <@Umby> fuck lmfao 02:33 oh poor you, with too many fantastic items and now you have some homwork to do XD 02:34 <@Umby> right? 02:34 AntiVirus: sure, but if you just come upon the loot of, say, a gnome lord who never had the chance to even take a swing at you, there'd be no hint that his weapon is, say, vorpal or toxic or something :P 02:34 <@Umby> inventory management is a worse hell then Gehennom could ever be 02:34 <@Umby> and I got fucking Demogorgon'd once 02:34 <@Umby> I do not make that statement lightly 02:34 that said, there's also no way to know that the dagger that particular gnome lord had is +5, even though it can happen in theory 02:34 true, with armor you just try them all 02:35 but weapons don't let you know 02:35 @Umby: stuff weigh way too much? ;) 02:35 <@Umby> of course 02:35 there's a BOH tho 02:35 but, cursed? 02:35 <@Umby> I have enough spare sacks to try shenanigans, but that could blow up in my face at any moment 02:35 <@Umby> oh yeah, find a means to uncurse that ASAP 02:35 a cursed BOH is something to handle with care 02:36 <@Umby> ^ 02:36 not unlike Thor's hammer, most mortals can't pick it up 02:36 if you can handle it at all. 02:36 a cursed BOH is a case for using a wand of cancellation :) (at least in vanilla) 02:36 <@Umby> the one I found's uncurse now 02:36 <@Umby> uncursed* 02:36 not in other variants? 02:36 <@Umby> just have to sort through shit and see what I "need" need and what I can safely hide away 02:36 well, who knows how moves the variants nowadays is, they are capable of making it so that zapping the bag with cancel will also blow it up :P (EPI) 02:37 <@Umby> fuck it, saving 02:37 <@Umby> gonna deal with this bookkeeping headache later 02:37 <@Umby> :B 02:38 that would be ok with me as long as I can throw a potion of holy water at it 02:38 or have some other method of uncursing it 02:38 LarienTelrunya, it's more loosing the maps that frustate me 02:39 LarienTelrunya, esp. on the ascension run 02:39 huh see now I found a "magical" potion too 02:39 I wonder if this stuff just got added 02:39 because there were absolutely zero magical things before 02:39 NCommander: as I said, preemptive genocide :P then again, I've done the ascension run in unnethack remembering nothing at all (*gazes sternly at bhaak*), and it wasn't a big deal anyway 02:40 There's also no mysterious force and few Gehennom mazes in UnNetHack though 02:40 i.e. I had forgotten absolutely every level but had zero trouble because it's usually easy enough to find the stairs again 02:40 unnethack helps by making the upstairs spit out a steady stream of monsters, so you can just blindfold-check to see where they are :D 02:41 heh 02:41 Can you cut through Vlad's tower with the portal? 02:42 dunno, never tried 02:42 LarienTelrunya, yes well, at least amnesia doesn't affect the human. If there was a way you could do that in SLEX, I'm sure you'd implement it 02:43 EPI: actually make the levels change layout instead of forgetting the maps. I hope your stash wasn't there. 02:43 haha, I wish I could get amnesia in real life and play slex unspoiled 02:43 "As you think about Maud, your mind releases itself from unneeded programming burdens" 02:44 wow 02:44 that is an evil idea, and it deserves it's own scroll 02:44 if I could play slex unspoiled, I'd do what no other slex player seems to be doing: test the hell out of all the available roles and races you can pick from! 02:44 scroll of multiverse... 02:44 It wouldn't make any flavour sense otherwise, but yeah 02:44 the dungeon seems different somehow... 02:45 LarienTelrunya, "you read a scroll of amnesia. You suddenly forget the German language" 02:45 haha, das wird hoffentlich nicht so schnell passieren :) 02:48 well aparently wizards can now determine if an item is magical 02:48 thats awesome. Wizards needed a little something extra 02:49 EH was very very hard to play as that role 02:49 even with pseudodragons overpowered 02:49 Like I found gauntlets of power as "magical gloves" 02:49 LarienTelrunya, could be even worse "You forget you have a need for oxygen. You suffocate. Would you like your possessions identified?" 02:49 potion of anesthesia 02:50 Stops you being interrupted when monsters start whaling on you. 02:50 Until you die. 02:51 * NCommander suspects LarienTelrunya's real life inventory mostly consists of bundles, evil patch ideas, and some slime molds. 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 382 points, T:920, killed by a wand 02:51 NCommander: heh, you forgot the shooooooes! 02:52 LarienTelrunya, are you currently wearing them? If not, they're in your stash 02:52 You can have stuff in your inventory that's not worn 02:52 of course I'm wearing my lovely platform boots ā™„ and there's about 40-50 (didn't count) pairs of shoes in my stash 02:53 wow.. 02:53 * NCommander has a truly evil idea 02:53 *zaps a wand of polymorph at LarienTelrunya's shoes 02:53 * NCommander creates a shoe golem 02:53 LOL maybe I already made one for slex? 02:54 Well, there's a leather golem. 02:54 hmm, grepping shows that there is a sandal golem 02:54 platform shoes? do those prevent the xan attack? 02:54 They'd have to be really tall 02:54 paxed: not in slex; there's however some other type that {Demo}2 invented, which offers full protection against xans 02:56 "You equip the platform shoes. You feel 10 feet (3m) tall." 02:56 the best part about finding a cursed gauntlets of power, is wearing them anyway 02:57 shouldnt they cripple you instead 02:57 EPI: Cursed gaunlets of power make your Str == 3. 02:57 haha 02:57 Alex_ with the EPI 02:57 NCommander: hahahahahahaha since your reappearance I have now already added half a dozen messages to the slex todo list! 02:57 well no they just become these totally awesome gauntlets you never want to remove 02:57 LarienTelrunya, pfft, at my local hacker clubs, I'm the thing people role out for pure evil. 02:58 *roll out 02:58 I will play the remainder of this run without uncursing them lol 02:58 EPI: oilskin gloves, wearing them gives you slippery fingers until you remove them, but trying to remove them gives "You cannot take off the gloves with your slippery hands." Oh wait, that already exists in SLEX! :P 02:58 LarienTelrunya, to the point I'm actually assiocated with "evil" in some people's brains 02:58 LarienTelrunya, when a foobucrus takes your gloves, they fumble when they try to make out with you 02:59 NCommander: if your ideas are evil enough, you might apply for a position as an evilhack, err slex devteam member 02:59 "YOu try to lie in fooburcus's hands but are dropped to the ground." 02:59 Why isn't there some kind of oilskin monster? 02:59 Andrio: slex has oilskin aliens; you very certainly don't want to encounter them 02:59 My wafer thin mint made it into the game. 02:59 What do those do? 03:00 Depends on your character's name 03:00 The oilskin aliens? 03:00 Andrio, if you eat them when very full, they hurt for a lot of damage, and have a unique death message 03:01 Andrio, if your named Croesus, it's an insta death with a different unique message 03:01 Andrio: level 8 sea monster (i.e. doesn't leave the water once it's in it), can't be genocided, and has a drowning attack and a sticky attack (the latter makes the former more likely to hit) and a ranged item-teleportation attack, as well as a ranged taunt that causes status effects and stuff. 03:01 * NCommander knows LarienTelrunya has been busy because git pull is taking awhile w/ SLEX 03:02 I've so far not encountered an oilskin alien in slex yet, but I'd guess that they're extremely dangerous 03:02 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1275 points, T:2107, killed by a giant mosquito 03:02 LarienTelrunya, mcasadevall@dawntreader:~/src/SLASHEM-Extended$ du -hs . 03:02 1.3G . 03:02 ... what have you been committing?! 03:02 NCommander: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commits/master 03:02 Yeah, but that's bigger than some linux distros 03:03 if you've been gone for several months, it's probably lots of stuff, but does that really mean 1.3 GB? that's impossible 03:03 even the grand daddy monst.c is only 13,1 MB 03:03 LarienTelrunya, it does, someoen has been committing zip files :P 03:03 and all those zip files are version backed 03:04 ohh dammit 03:04 slashemextended.zip is 29,1 MB 03:04 that's the windows binary 03:04 LarienTelrunya, you have to use deep magic to fix it 03:05 You need to do something even more dangerous than playing SLEX without spoilers 03:05 You need to ... *dramatic pause* 03:05 git rebase! 03:05 Andrio, https://pastebin.com/k48cj9Hs - here's the full code for the wafer thin mint and it's unique messages 03:05 LarienTelrunya: I don't take any blame. you can reasonably assume that cuddling Cthulhu is bad idea 03:06 bhaak, it's LarienTelrunya with a tenticled horror. WHich one of those is scarier. 03:07 she probably didn't have her high heels. so she basically defenseless 03:07 bhaak: that much I did expect in fact, but... I've told you several times already that making the amulet teleport before you even get the chance to pick it up is baaaaaaaad! it should only do that if you've had it in your possession at least once! 03:07 epi: if you try to split rocks that contain an item, the scroll of antimatter effect is applied to you 03:07 well, at least by now I know that you can apparently permakill Cthulhu by leaving the sanctum while his cloud is there :P 03:07 LarienTelrunya: but that's not consistent behavior :-] 03:07 once you come back after waiting for enough turns, no more Cthulhu! 03:08 (cue bhaak fixing it so that Cthulhu respawns infinitely) 03:08 YASI for unnethack: a trophy that you get by ascending while Cthulhu is next to you. Can that be done? i.e. does he follow you up the stairs? 03:09 LarienTelrunya, pfft, it could be worse, knowing you, you'd make an imitation fake high priest with imitation amulet. 03:09 Well, I had the amulet teleport and then a salamander picked it up, so we killed that and it teleported again. 03:09 LarienTelrunya, I had Yeesu-*unspellable* follow me up to the planes, I think Cthulhu is coveous 03:09 NCommander: it could be much worse than that, what if it was an imitation *elder* priest :D 03:09 LarienTelrunya, how about an imitation Amy? 03:09 yasi: a trophy for being attacked by chulhu and surviving 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 317 points, T:626, killed by a wand 03:10 bug_sniper, you know someone would then use the trophy to beam in Chuthlu's brain 03:10 NCommander: do you want to fight the elder priest? if the answer is yes, add "OPTIONS=wonderland" to your slex config, start a new character, and walk to the east temple, he's in there ;) 03:11 LarienTelrunya: I think he follows you like any monster 03:12 bhaak: huh? there's the M2_STALK flag; monsters with that flag follow you across levels, while others normally don't 03:12 EPI: Donald Trump the Demon Prince in his own special golden tower level 03:12 he says rude things to you 03:12 LarienTelrunya, 'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?' 03:12 'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat. 03:12 'I don't much care where ā€”' said Alice. 03:12 'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat 03:13 LarienTelrunya: now you've given me an idea akin to the "dungeon collapsing" idea to create a feeling of urgency for the ascension run ... make Cthulhu follow you regardless of he's close or not ... 03:13 "Cthluhu ascends from a hole in the ground!" 03:14 "You see here, an evil idea (being considered)" 03:14 haha, in my ongoing fanfic I have Alice say the following line to the protagonist: 'I can't think of a quote from the wonderland movies to say here, so I'll just say this: apologize or I'll stomp your fingers flat.' :D 03:14 bhaak, isn't Rodney bad enough. 03:14 LarienTelrunya, that's from the book :P 03:15 LarienTelrunya, and is it American McGees Alice, or actual Alice in Wonderland? 03:15 it's actually a teacher who just happens to be called Alice 03:15 Cthulhu ate your brains! You forget which way you were running! Cthulhu ate your brains! 03:15 NCommander: no, Rodney is a wimp :) 03:16 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16 He's enough for people to kill him only when they're ready for the ascension run. 03:17 bhaak, just make Cthuluthu Double Trouble 03:17 I wasn't expecting Cthulhu to be as easy to kill as he was honestly. 03:17 my personal favorite "you will not ascend this game" evil patch idea is still the one where the elder priest respawns like Rodney 03:19 Andrio: it's a bit of a design problem. make a monster as powerful as possible and players will try to instakill it and therefore limit the interesting ways of killing it. make it too easy and it doesn't feel like an end boss 03:19 LarienTelrunya, pfft, have an imitation high altar 03:19 mm 03:19 in a game with permadeath, that's a problem 03:20 (technically Cthulhu isn't an 'end boss' anyway if you still need to offer the amulet) 03:20 FIQ: have you framed the DT response already? 03:20 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 609 points, T:1494, killed by a giant mosquito, while reading a book 03:20 the ascension run is the game's epilogue :) 03:20 bhaak: easy fix for the boss design problem: make the boss immune to instakills :D 03:20 Until you get splatted by Famine 03:21 that's the hobbits coming back home, finding it devastated. it's a plot twist 03:22 after all, the story line expects you to bring the amulet to the quest leader 03:22 Is there a single monster in vanilla that's immune to any form of instadeath or HP-to-1 effect? 03:22 Actually, Death is 03:23 technically Death can be disintegrated, he just resurrects immediately if you do 03:23 That doesn't count. :3 03:24 wondering whether Death can be instakilled with a drawbridge; would need to wizmode though because there's no drawbridge on astral 03:24 hmm... vorpal blade? can that instakill Death? 03:24 <@Plisp> that would be funny 03:24 Probably. 03:24 <@Plisp> oh yea and the Tsurugi 03:24 Thiefbane 03:25 You know we're going to come back and steal that. 03:25 thiefbane only decapitates @-class monsters, right? or is it different in un? 03:26 ah 03:29 I believe it beheads you regardless 03:30 yeah the player always counts as an @ for it in un; in slashem you can poly into a giant shoggoth and simply own Sam because then you can't be beheaded :D 03:31 (and for the record, in slex the giant shoggoth is not a valid polymorph form for the player so that strategy no longer works there) 03:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 810 points, T:1024, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 03:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:17 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 04:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:18 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:21 * NCommander grows the factory 04:21 LarienTelrunya, so how has your day been? 04:23 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:24 You hear something shatter! Splat! 04:25 what happens with the potion vial after you quaff a potion? 04:25 it disappears 04:25 you don't get empty bottles 04:25 how so 04:25 ask the dev team 04:26 i will at the next nethack conference 04:32 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:36 there are nethack conferences? 04:37 It says in the guidebook 04:38 'We don't keep track of dungeon rubbish' 04:39 It used to at least. 04:40 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 04:45 yet its littered with useless pieces of glass already :) 04:47 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 05:00 <@Plisp> lol 05:04 omg unicorns will gladly accpet useless pieces of glass 05:05 well, graciously, at least 05:12 <@Plisp> gdsm, teleport control, conflict, levitation and a wand of death in those bones 05:12 <@Plisp> if there were bones 05:12 everything except reflection :) 05:13 <@Plisp> aww medusa level doesn't leave bones 05:13 itd be nice if the statues in medusa could be replaced with actual bones statues 05:15 <@Plisp> oh yea 05:19 NHrsa: you can pacify hostile unicorns with a piece of glass 05:20 you can also use cleaver 05:20 that's a different kind of pacification, yes 05:20 as a bonus you get a horn 05:21 but some people don't have cleaver, and do have worthless pieces of glass 05:23 will glass shatter if you wield it as a weapon and start bashing things 05:24 no, and it won't do much damage either 05:25 I think they're just small pieces like you get from breaking a potion bottle 05:25 bhaak: working on it 05:25 otherwise you couldn't mistake them for gems 05:26 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:28 boo 05:29 <@Plisp> šŸ˜³ 05:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:30 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 27219 points, T:13652, killed by a white unicorn, while praying 05:33 didnt have glass huh 05:39 !lastgame eraserhead97 05:39 NHrsa: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1571078697.nh.html 05:39 you can see the final inventory upon death alex ^ 05:39 did have glass. what a bummer 05:39 ;:; 05:39 ;_; 05:40 probably wanted to kill the unicorn for poison resistance & horn 05:40 already had a horn 05:40 already was poison resistant 05:41 oh yes I see 05:42 wasnt wielding any weapon at the time of combat 05:43 YASD? 05:43 yep 05:43 R.I.P. ;_; 05:43 seeing vanquished creatures, unicorn shouldnt have been a problem 05:44 also dont know what he had in the stash 05:45 wouldve been nice if we couldve seen whats in there 05:46 up to then seems like he had a nice run 05:57 !who 05:57 FIQ: [hdf-us] Hill [nh363] luxor [slshm] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 06:06 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 06:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:19 [hdf-us] [evil] poligono2007 (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 375 points, T:912, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal 06:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:28 <@Umby> Looks like he mistimed the prayer 06:29 <@Umby> I've died more than a few times to "praying when you thought you'd be safe only to be told you're wrong in the most emphatic fashion possible" 06:30 <@Umby> Probably forgot he was barehanded too 06:30 <@Umby> It happens 06:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4366 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7455 points, T:6417, killed by a dwarf queen 06:54 bah a monster just got a wish from a smoky potion 06:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:25902 07:16 <@Umby> "Oh hey, I started a wizard and did literally nothing with it. It seems alright, started with an early cancellation wand so we'll see what----" 07:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633624352121946112/Capture_2019-10-15-05-46-07.png 07:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633624372715716618/Capture_2019-10-15-05-46-23.png 07:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633624386892595210/Capture_2019-10-15-06-44-35.png 07:19 you haven't heard? they started mass producing wands of cancellation 07:28 <@Umby> ...whatever that means 07:29 <@Umby> also re: cancel wands would you believe I almost never use them? 07:29 <@Umby> b/c by the time I have to mass produce water/blank scrolls I'm usually ready to take anything that isn't a water demon 07:29 <@Umby> and even that last bit depends 07:35 umby: in EH, monsters will use wands of cancellation (and polymorph) on you 07:35 <@Umby> I know that much 07:35 <@Umby> Or at least expect as much 07:35 <@Umby> My question is what the hell doner kebab means 07:36 oh and they will throw potions of polymorph if they have one like they normally do with paralysis etc. 07:36 that's really fun 07:36 <@Umby> And why they decided to punish FIQ for his mostly apropos quip with such a fate 07:38 Umby what client are you using 07:40 <@Umby> Playing the Android port lol 07:40 how is that working out for you 07:40 i tried it long ago but couldnt get used to it 07:40 <@Umby> Been p. solid thus far 07:40 <@Umby> Considering it's been a couple of years 07:40 <@Umby> Tops 07:41 <@Umby> At the least a good year and change 07:41 moving around with some touch go-to mode or is there a virtual numpad? 07:43 both 07:44 <@Umby> yeah there's a keyboard and this 07:44 <@Umby> uh 07:44 <@Umby> other thing 07:45 it's quite nice, and with some customization of quick keys/macros it's almost as comfortable to play as desktop 07:45 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633631562990092298/Capture_2019-10-15-07-45-29.png 07:45 <@Umby> I prefer the keyboard format obvs 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 6925 points, T:4333, killed by a soldier ant 07:46 <@Umby> Go team a! 07:48 i have a hardware keyboard on my phone so it might be relatively painless, should give it a new try 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6122 07:55 !tell AntiVirus evilhack 0.4.0 came out last night, that's why you're seeing new and different things :) 07:55 I'm on it, K2. 07:56 Chris_ANG: Why does the shepherd's crook not tame lambs? 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) stole 16 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aksaray's used armor dealership, on T:789 07:59 heya rebatela 08:00 morning all i should say 08:00 afternoon! 08:00 o/ 08:01 <@Tone> oh cool, grats on the 0.4.0 release K2 šŸ˜„ 08:01 'just in time for tnnt' 08:03 heh 08:03 thanks @Tone 08:05 Harsh, bear trap at the end of a corridor so couldn't move diag and got zombied 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:7126 08:06 Should have Elberethed. 08:06 stenno yeah, i kinda needed to get it out now, this way i'm not constantly thinking about 'what do i need to do today with evilhack' and can focus more on tnnt stuff 08:06 not that i wasnt focusing on tnnt already. just now i can focus more :P 08:08 more betterly 08:12 o7 08:12 \o/ 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1105 points, T:3020, killed by a large cat called Ginger 08:13 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 08:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 08:20 k2: congrats on .4 :) 08:21 thanks 08:23 Is eu down? 08:23 !whereis 08:23 Hmm, no, just kicked me out and took a while to come back, no biggi 08:27 heh 08:27 bubbles_nh if you ever need to troubleshoot your connection to whichever server, use this - https://www.hardfought.org/server_status/network_tools/ 08:28 Ace thanks big K 08:28 \o/ 08:28 Though I'm in trouble now... Made a new door into a shop and kicked an item out 08:28 but now he is asking me to pay 08:28 uh oh 08:28 and he won't serve me because he is a racist against binders 08:28 400zm 08:28 run away! run away... 08:28 hah 08:28 So I am pretty sure I need to fly like the wind 08:28 All for a stethoscope 08:29 The K are here 08:29 K's could prob use a buff 08:29 hmm 08:30 Wellp 08:30 I die and I learn 08:30 :/ 08:30 kicking things out of shops = stealing! 08:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3541 08:33 indeed 08:33 that would be too easy otherwise, wouldn't it? 08:35 Usually you can't actually throw things out 08:35 The shopkeeper catches 08:35 But yeah 08:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:48 AntiGulp! *bundlebundle* :) 08:49 Good morning~ 08:49 what was the monster that you scrapped from splice again? was it the king in yellow? 08:49 Yeah. As much as I love Robert W. Chambers work, the monster wasnā€™t very well implemented. I can do better. 08:50 heh, he got gated in with my current slex char and he's a complete and utter bastard :P 08:50 LOL 08:50 I made a monster thatā€™s even hard in SLEX. I feel successful 08:50 When wishing in dnh as unaligned, can I still wish for aligned non-intelligent artifacts? 08:50 he only landed one round on me in melee, but that was enough to let me know that I was *not* looking forward to fight him 08:51 so I teleported him away and ran for the downstair, hoping he'd not warp back in time. It worked, but I'll have to face him later... 08:51 :D 08:52 Punch him in the face! 08:52 With a sword!! 08:52 oh AntiGulp, the whatever-he-was-called-Donald-Trump-troll boss with the multiple item-stealing attacks is also still in slex :P 08:52 The Lord of the Foocubi? WHY 08:52 yeah that one 08:52 That boss was AWFUL. 08:53 indeed! but in slex the item-stealing attack was rebalanced and has less than 100% certainty to land :P 08:53 'lord of foocubi' sounds like something slexy fleecy 08:53 stennowork: I am the unfortunate originator of the lord of the foocubi. I was not good at balaning early onā€¦ 08:54 hehe 08:54 stennowork: you should have played splice when that boss still existed, he was almost as bad as the elder priest! 08:54 i played some marathon splice games 08:54 but it was never really successful 08:54 Next version of Splice is coming in a few months. Itā€™s going to be very different, and very exciting. 08:55 man don't tease me! give me stuff I can steal! :D 08:55 that sounds exciting 08:55 LarienTelrunya: Please no steal the endgame rewrite 08:55 although, I hope that splice will at least add slex's freeplay mode (possibly with some variations) 08:56 LarienTelrunya: Itā€™s on my list! I have the tab open right now actually 08:56 My main quibble with LotF was that "foocubi" is a community term and doesn't make much sense in game 08:56 I think it was eventually changed to Malcanthet? 08:56 AntiGulp: slex's planes will still be only 5 levels long; I might want to use your extra planes for a class quest 08:56 Yeah, Malcanthet now 08:56 i.e. if at all, I'll only steal the level maps and change them a bit 08:56 so splice has 10 planes now? 08:57 Splice still has 4 planes, but it also has 3 variations of existing planes thrown in the mix, including the City of Brass. 08:57 is it bad that i have a faible for sexy women who try to kill you 08:57 Each one has one of the 7 deadly sins as a boss monster. 08:57 does the city of brass have yellow walls 08:57 So 7 levels 08:57 aosdict: Ye :) 08:58 stennowork: I have a faible for sexy women who try to hurt me with their high heels, is that worse? ā™„ 08:58 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/86/07/388607c53cb44db56f89c30ce3696e44.jpg 08:58 idk if that is better or worse :D 08:59 being killed by the woman would be boring because it can be done only once, I'd much rather enjoy the pleasure of her causing pain to me over and over! <3 09:00 well not literally killing lol 09:00 just having an attitude of wanting to kill you 09:02 so AntiGulp, is it only the planes that get changed? or are you planning something bigger? 09:03 LarienTelrunya: No, thereā€™s a lot of other stuff Iā€™m working on to make Splice distinctive. The Changelog for this version is already huge and Iā€™m not even close to finished yet. 09:03 ah, do you happen to have the to-be-added stuff on the etherpad? 09:04 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 09:04 like senjougahara from bakemonogatary 09:04 LarienTelrunya: Yup! It doesnā€™t include some of the stuff that has already been added, but itā€™s a general guide of what else will be going in. https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/SpliceHack 09:05 (Also I am accepting new YANIs to add to my trashfire) 09:05 lol, I fear that my YANIs would be too extreme and too slexlike 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1617 points, T:2251, killed by a death ray 09:05 and most of what I'd come up with would be "slex has feature X, you should implement it too" :P 09:06 "you too can have gigabytes of source code" 09:06 LarienTelrunya: Youā€™re free to add them, but I canā€™t say whether I will. Canā€™t let Splice be too slexy :P 09:06 Yeah, Slex slowed my computer down when I tried to git clone it 09:07 oh the splicing part 09:07 * aosdict tends to just delete things off the etherpad once committed rather than marking them as done 09:07 will that be as stable as the amalgamations/bad clones? :P 09:08 dnethack has some sort of release checklist structure on its etherpads 09:08 that saaaaaaaaaaid... AntiGulp: you should check out the latest few slex commits because I added symbiosis as an ability/skill! that might in fact be similar to your splicing stuff 09:08 LarienTelrunya: Far, far more stable. I already have a partial implementation locally. Also, I rewrote amalgamations so theyā€™re perfectly stable now :) 09:09 Re Chambers, some years ago I wanted a copy of the King in Yellow for a Call of Cthulhu game. After a bit of a struggle I found an electronic copy. So far, so good. 09:09 A couple of weeks later I found a copy on my shelves which I didn't know existed, the sort of coincidence which in a Lovecraftian universe is a prelude to being fitted for a long-sleeved canvas blazer. :-/ 09:10 Pinkbeast: Given what the King in Yellow entails, thatā€™s terrifying 09:10 That literally happens to the narrator in one story, iirc 09:10 eating a handful of peanut m&m's for breakfast was... a mistake 09:11 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11 AntiGulp: from what I can tell, the major stuff you're planning is: 1. planes rewrite 2. some more dungeon branches 3. splicing 09:11 is that correct? 09:11 LarienTelrunya: Cooking Patch as well. 09:12 ah 09:12 Plus, Iā€™m considering making intrinsics gained through eating time out. 09:12 LarienTelrunya its too much for you to steal 09:12 <{Demo}2> I'm gonna cook a grid bug 09:12 whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat you're gonna pull a dnethack on us? 09:12 Iā€™m *considering* it 09:12 and next you'll make unihorns not restore lost stat points? :P 09:13 Ok 09:13 real talk 09:13 Unicorn horns restoring stat points lost through abuse always felt weird to me 09:14 man I definitely know why I develop my own variant: because while most of the others have some really cool stuff, they also implement things that would prompt me to write long rants if I were to actually play them :P 09:15 that said, in vanilla unihorns are too powerful, but IMHO most variants "fix" that by making them too useless 09:15 I donā€™t feel the need to nerf them, but they definitely are way too good in vanilla. 09:15 <{Demo}2> yeah like slashem 09:16 As soon as you get one, itā€™s basically, ā€œHey, now you donā€™t have to worry about 99% of the statuses monsters can inflict for the rest of the game!ā€ 09:17 LarienTelrunya: you write long rants nevertheless :-} and we love you for it <3 09:17 bhaak: hahaha :D but did you notice that I've toned them down since last year or so? 09:18 I guess you noticed it doesn't help :) 09:18 so we only get the long rants during tournaments :-D 09:18 one of the best unihorn fixes in my book (apart from slex's) is actually, and I'm not kidding, the one from fourk. If jonadab would only implement a little change I've been proposing for years, I'd actually even consider the fix "good" by Amy measures ;) 09:19 AntiGulp: I know, right? I remove the unlimited stat recovery and then say "hmm, unlimited status fixing... STILL too good..." 09:19 bhaak: actually I didn't write long rants during 2019's tournament because I only played two variants! Ha! 09:19 LarienTelrunya: what's your proposal 09:19 lol 09:20 aosdict: for fixing unihorns? 1% chance that the unihorn loses some enchantment, or is destroyed when it was already +0 or lower; also, if it tries to fix a lost stat point, it can fail and in the process make the point it would have recovered permanently lost instead. 09:20 and the unihorn skill in slex reduces the chance that the unihorn degrades/vaporizes and increases the chance that it works 09:21 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 09:23 1% chance is too low. It changes it from "unlimited status fixing" to "virtually unlimited status fixing" 09:24 Iā€™ve been playing around with the idea of giving them a cooldown time, so that they canā€™t be used constantly during battle. 09:28 that would probably lead to players carrying around several 09:28 I do that anyway 09:29 also there are a few situations (hint: they involve sickness) where you depend on having a reliable horn 09:29 <@magicbymcluxey> There are about zero ways to cure stun in nethack 09:30 and also also, there is no way other than unihorn to cure stun in vanilla, so if pestilence stunlocks you and your horn doesn't work, you're dead 09:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed Glasya, on T:69959 09:31 I'm thinking perhaps fourk mechanics where use decreases enchantment, but make it a (moderate) chance instead of a guarantee of doing it. 09:32 then you have some idea of how long it'll last, no "oops! gone!" 09:33 <@magicbymcluxey> is there any solution that doesnā€™t encourage the player to carry around ten horns 09:34 If a player uses unicorn horns on themselves too many times in a short period, additional uses begin to inflict status effects as well as curing? 09:34 @magicbymcluxey Can't think of a way to do that other than leaving in the unlimited status-cures we have now. 09:37 If the player is carrying only one horn into the late game, that one horn must be sufficient to take care of all their woes. 09:38 AntiGulp: and if it's on the astral plane, when your horn fails, Pestilence's voice will blare through the player's loudspeaker saying "Ha ha ha, you've been playing for long enough, War! Say goodbye!" :D 09:38 (sorry if I'm being silly) 09:38 lol holy cow Iā€™m dying 09:38 Pestilence is like the safari zone warden. ā€œDing dong! Timeā€™s up!ā€ 09:39 but, heh, the chance of getting bad status effects from horn overuse sounds like it would theoretically be possible to get it to work 09:39 <@magicbymcluxey> currently there are also no practical ways to cure confusion outside of the horn either 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:43921 09:39 <@Umby> Reading up after a certain point might've been a bit of a mistake lol 09:39 @magicbymcluxey Lizard corpses 09:39 Unicorn horn addiction? 09:40 <@Umby> also I generally find it a bit odd that "buff a few things from not-uselessness" always seems to come after "lol nerds" 09:40 <@magicbymcluxey> You have to finish eating the corpse, and it doesnā€™t even fully cure it 09:40 how do you "apply" a unicorn horn anyway? do you apply it directly to the forehead? YASI: unicorn horn overuse causes you to lose blood, i.e. take damage over time, which gets worse if you keep doing it and eventually you die from loss of blood. 09:40 <@Umby> Just reduces it to like a handfl of turns 09:40 <@Umby> Two turns right? 09:41 You drop a heap of powdered unicorn horn. You see an angry watch captain approaching you! 09:41 @Umby: yes, and those two turns are enough for Pestilence to hit you again and put 40-odd extra turns back on your stun timer :D 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 speed boots", on T:43925 09:45 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 09:46 <@magicbymcluxey> The unicorn horn is still weaker than the dcss potion of curing, which is a virtually unlimited resource 09:46 potion of awesomeness 09:46 <@Umby> Ideas like the wands balance patch make me smile, on the note of ""proper"" balancing 09:46 LarienTelrunya make that a Thingā„¢ 09:46 <@Umby> I keep coming back to it 09:46 K2: lol what would that do? 09:47 @magicbymcluxey: how is a potion an unlimited resource? eventually you run out of potions if you keep using them 09:47 or are they so common? 09:47 <@magicbymcluxey> DCSS gives you about thirty of them 09:47 <@magicbymcluxey> you never run out 09:48 heh, I've never gotten far enough in DCSS to obtain any sizable stack of a single potion type 09:48 <@magicbymcluxey> just a drink a random one, they will be quite obviously the largest stack 09:48 but then again I'm really bad at DCSS; after all, a while ago I challenged NCommander (who had never played it before) to a "duel" (see who gets the farthest) and he won, of course 09:49 <@Umby> @magicbymcluxey the idea being "if you're running out then you're not playing cautiously enough" I assume? 09:49 <@magicbymcluxey> If you run out youā€™re spamming them for their small HP heal too much, yeah 09:50 <@Umby> Thought so 09:50 I've never been a fan of "healing" potions that heal a fraction of the amount of damage you're taking per turn, basically means you can never use them during combat because the turn it takes to quaff one takes too long :P 09:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:70224 09:51 angband is rather guilty of this, the first three tiers of healing potions heal extremely little 09:52 <@magicbymcluxey> The healing is a pretty minor effect in this case. But it cures bodily ailments like confusion, sickness, rot, poison 09:53 how is "about thirty" the same as "virtually unlimited" 09:54 <@magicbymcluxey> DCSS is a shorter game 09:54 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54 do you tend to quaff a potion of curing every time you get hit by the dcss equivalent of a yellow light or umber hulk? 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:44469 09:57 <@Umby> in that case it wouldn't be unlimited but then at those points you'd have blindfolds at the ready 09:58 <@Umby> at the least before hulks come into play 09:58 <@Umby> so that goes back to "being blase about usage" 09:59 <@magicbymcluxey> No, sometimes I wonā€™t quaff it when Iā€™m not in a dangerous situation 09:59 <@magicbymcluxey> But I always know how many I have and that it works with 100% efficacy 10:00 so it seems like dcss has the same general issue of stat affects not really being much of a problem 10:00 effects 10:00 <@magicbymcluxey> DCSS has more powerful status effects that can only be cured by a stronger, eater potion 10:01 <@magicbymcluxey> rarer* 10:02 <@magicbymcluxey> none of them are nearly as bad as nethack stun though 10:02 but for those that the potion of curing cures, they seem to be a non-issue 10:03 Urrr. So Luxi is better than me, but I don't really think of curing as completely unlimited - it also cures poison and if you drank it every time you were poisoned and didn't want to be (fight not over), you would run out. 10:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:70790 10:03 So you do have to exercise at least a little discretion about when to use them (unlike, say, a unihorn) 10:03 <@Umby> it's a non-issue insofar as you're good at managing stock 10:04 Pinkbeast: so that doesn't sound like "virtually unlimited" to me then 10:04 <@Umby> which is guaranteed to be a skill you learn with any substantial NH experience 10:04 <@Umby> I don't think anyone has been arguing otherwise :V 10:05 well luxi said they were 10:05 <@Umby> Luxi's statements have been to the effect of "you never run out if you manage them well" 10:05 aosdict: Well, the supply is pretty large and it's not clear you need to exercise _much_ discretion. 10:05 also, does dcss have an encumbrance system? toting around dozens of potions in nethack would be a problem 10:06 No; encumbrance was removed ages ago 10:06 <@Umby> so default BoH then? :B 10:07 I presume it also doesn't have potion destruction. 10:07 <@Umby> does it use anything in place of that or no? 10:07 <@Umby> just ftr 10:07 No, that went even more ages ago - it led to a lot of tedious optimisation. 10:07 Umby: 52 object stacks, which is slightly limiting later on. 10:08 <@Umby> that seems reasonable, assuming containers are still present 10:08 Containers don't exist and would serve no purpose 10:08 <@magicbymcluxey> I usually use it when Iā€™m confused or when poison damage would do over half my health roughly 10:09 <@magicbymcluxey> If you used it every time you got hit you would just get poisoned again the next turn :p 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:10434 10:11 <@magicbymcluxey> How about we cut the RNG out of the unicorn horn? Make it a chargeable tool, that auto identifies, with a decent number of charges. Blessed unicorn horn always works 10:12 <@magicbymcluxey> then the player can decide if itā€™s really worth it to use it on a random umber hulk 10:12 Because then hothraxxa will be angry that healers can't enchant their unicorn horn to +7 to use as a weapon anymore. 10:12 <@magicbymcluxey> Weapon tool 10:13 I thought at least some variants did have charged unihorns 10:13 <@magicbymcluxey> oh but they canā€™t have enchantment 10:13 <@magicbymcluxey> and charges 10:14 yeah... a 0:42 unihorn would be +42 as a weapon... :/ 10:14 Maybe treat them like crysknives, where if you hold a unihorn and read enchant weapon, it becomes a weapon 10:15 the base horn is no longer a weapon-tool, just a tool 10:15 YANI: ^ 10:15 <@magicbymcluxey> a +0 unicorn blade 10:15 <@magicbymcluxey> seems legit 10:15 <@magicbymcluxey> I like it 10:16 <@Umby> Actually a half decent idea 10:16 Base horn also does the same base damage if you wield it as a weapon; the only difference is that you can't enchant the base horn to +anything without converting it first 10:16 hothraxxa: feedback? 10:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:70887 10:18 <@Umby> actual reason to carry around multiple horns 10:19 This would interfere with L's Scroll of Enchantment Patch I've been eyeing, though. 10:19 <@Umby> granted "lol my main horn got hecked" with a side of "oh and I also kinda can't use my hands" is a p. solid reason 10:19 <@Umby> How so 10:19 the scroll of enchantment patch merges enchant armor, enchant weapon and charging (for rings) into a single scroll of enchantment. 10:20 Oh wait, never mind, it would be fine. 10:20 <@magicbymcluxey> So how does that affect relative scroll probability 10:20 so basically, i'd want two unihorns, one to charge for healing and one to use as a weapon 10:20 Because I forgot it doesn't fold in the entire charging scroll, so there would still be a distinct charging scroll to recharge your horn 10:21 luxidream: I haven't looked at the actual patch in a while, but since it needed to make all probabilities add to 1000 it probably just adds them 10:22 <@Umby> You'd still probably keep a few as backup 10:22 <@Umby> but now not as many 10:22 (enchwep + encharm that is. Charging scrolls would be unaffected for probability?) 10:23 <@Umby> So assuming PYEC was a thing would involing act as a noncursed enchantment scroll? 10:23 <@magicbymcluxey> Pretty good buff actually 10:24 <@magicbymcluxey> Umby: no 10:24 @Umby No, the scroll of charging retains its normal effects, so the pyec would continue to replicate those effects 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible AntiVirus' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1407 10:24 The only difference with charging is that you no longer have to use them on rings 10:24 <@Umby> oh it doesn't fold in charging entirely 10:24 <@Umby> My b, didn't see that 10:24 <@Umby> Very smart 10:25 (I don't remember if it removes the ability to use charging on rings. I don't really see why it should remove that ability.) 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 226 points, T:473, killed by a large mimic 10:26 Also, it lets you specify any eligible item to be enchanted rather than your wielded weapon or a random piece of worn armor. 10:26 <@Umby> also v. smart 10:27 <@Umby> With that I shall bed 10:27 <@Umby> Need to powernap before mah permit exam 10:27 <@Umby> later and happy hacking 10:27 <@Tone> I think that effictively gives the player more enchant armor scrolls in the long run. Also a resource to charge rings that is actually worth using. 10:28 <@magicbymcluxey> Yeah, if your weapon is enchanted, it more than doubles the frequency of enchant armor 10:28 Yes, the probability might have to be tuned down a bit (easy without having to add to 1000) 10:29 <@Tone> Right. Enchant weapon is more common than armor to begin with, and becomes useless once you've enchanted your weapon(s). 10:29 <@magicbymcluxey> What would you even charge though? Increase damage? 10:29 <@magicbymcluxey> Gain constitution? 10:29 <@Tone> Increase damage is good for weaponless I guess 10:30 <@Tone> Maybe increase accuracy in some niche cases 10:30 <@Tone> You are better off just enchanting a weapon usually though 10:31 <@Tone> Adornment for foocubi stuff 10:32 <@Tone> None of it is super useful but since those scrolls are more common it's actually something you might consider 10:32 fkn bones 10:33 <@Tone> I almost never use charging on rings. It's a very good resource for other things and is relatively rare 10:33 Yeah, no one ever charges rings ever because the resource needed to do it is so valuable for other things and is worth saving 10:33 do you want another +2 on your ring which might blow up... or do you want another set of death charges for Rodney? 10:34 or a refill on your magic marker? 10:34 <@magicbymcluxey> The last time I charged a ring was increase accuracy in dynahack to kill OES lol 10:35 <@Tone> The case I'd see myself using it would be a weaponless monk with body armor in the mid game 10:35 I also think there probably ought to be a "vibrates unexpectedly" threshold for rings (maybe per-ring) that warns you that further charging is unsafe, rather than being able to explode on +1 <-- YANI 10:36 <@Tone> I was just thinking that aosdict 10:36 Threshold should not necessarily be as high as +5, because high charged rings are powerful 10:36 <@Tone> The risk makes it not really worthwhile 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 456 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46012 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46119 10:41 i charges rings of protection and sometimes increase damage when playing weaponless 10:41 +5 ring of protection in EH is helpful... 10:42 always helpful 10:42 it sucks when they explode, but rings are common enough to be able to polypile for a couple or even just find a couple rings of protection 10:43 (plus you get the +1MC) 10:43 <@Tone> Protection was a ring I was thinking should still always be a risk to charge. You could easily poly a stack of them then use all those extra "enchant weapon" scrolls to get a bunch to eat 10:43 <@magicbymcluxey> Theyā€™re not always edible 10:44 <@Tone> No, they aren't 10:44 <@Tone> but it definitely makes that strategy much easier 10:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:46 reading scrollback, have also charged rings of gain constitution pre wraith binging and it's not the end of the world if it explodes 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:61221 10:47 @Tone even with 3.6 caps on bonuses from eating chargeable rings? 10:47 You can't get +100 whatever anymore. 10:48 YASI: if you eat too many highly charged enchanted rings, *you* explode. 10:49 <@Tone> I forgot about that, what was the change again? 10:50 dunno exactly. I just remember they capped it 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 350 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46832 10:51 <@Tone> Yeah it may not matter much in that case then 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of detect treasure", on T:46898 10:56 h,, 10:56 *hmm 10:56 I found a forge 10:56 what is this thing 10:57 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:57 its a forge 10:58 drink from it for instant karma 10:58 #dip something into it 10:58 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 10:58 K2: mon_choose_recharge in read.c in FIQHack might interest you 10:58 cool 10:58 * K2 goes to look 11:00 oh snap 11:00 that's cool 11:05 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:08 K2: there is no default case in the forge switch statement 11:08 oops 11:08 easy fix 11:09 sometimes i overlook the simple what-would-be-obvious-to-normal-programmers bits 11:09 thanks FIQ 11:13 FIQ: interestingly enough, the vanilla function 'dipfountain' doesnt have a default case either 11:14 but 'drinkfountain' does 11:14 You don't NEED default cases. If your switch is just rn2(4) then you can have cases 0, 1, 2, and 3 and no default because you know you'll never have anything else 11:14 right 11:15 switch in this instance is rnd(30) 11:15 large switches, or variables in the switch, should probably have default cases though 11:15 yeah, rnd(30)... too big to see at a glimpse whether everything is enumerated 11:17 most things aren't 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hill (Arc Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:12676 11:20 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 11:20 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:22 hmm 11:23 forges don't destroy on their own like fountains do 11:23 unless you have zero Luck 11:23 !pom 11:23 FIQ: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 11 days. 11:23 meaning I think you can get infinite lava demon pets 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:63003 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63004 11:26 lol, these arrows are worth less than 1zm when sold in bulk 11:26 wooden arrows 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3591 points, T:4588, killed by an orc-captain 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47720 11:36 blah 11:38 samurai sword is katana? 11:38 si 11:38 ^ vanilla 11:38 cool 11:38 too bad I'm a wiz 11:38 :) 11:38 a vanilla flavored katana? sign me up 11:38 * K2 prefers chocolate 11:41 K2: wouldn't it make sense to, when "natural" mithril happens to be, say, glass 11:41 it only gives a +1 bonus? 11:41 instead of a +3 one 11:41 also it's odd that natural glass weapons would get a +2 bonus when they're mithril 11:42 basically, I think a better approach would be to compare material bonuses/penalties in a consistent table 11:42 so that when a mithril weapon happens to be iron instead, it effectively gets a -2 penalty 11:43 nothing in evilhack is naturally mithril except a couple artifact weapons 11:43 are you referring to some gear you've grabbed off some dwarf lord/lady types? 11:43 (or elven counterparts) 11:44 oh i see 11:44 K2: Not specifically, but yes, finding mithril stuff off a hobbit did prompt me to look at the source code 11:44 And IMO it's a bit odd thet way it's set up atm 11:44 Not balance-wise I mean, but code-wise 11:44 you're referring to the damage bonus correct? 11:44 It leads to some odd counterproductive effects 11:44 Yeah 11:44 ok i get it 11:45 the reasoning - glass is wicked sharp, hence the bonus 11:45 mithril i gave a bonus because its mithril and mithril is awesome/magical 11:46 * aosdict coughs about how mithril is plenty buffed enough without stacking more bonuses on it 11:46 ok really going now 11:47 heh cya 11:47 the bonuses go both ways though :) any monster with a mithril weapon enjoys the same buff against you 11:48 FIQ: if there's a more sane way to express what i did, i'm all for it 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48263 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48264 11:55 glass darts 11:55 a stack of them 11:55 not bad 11:55 yup 11:55 that's +3 damage 11:55 toss em 11:55 fun for the whole family 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2184 points, T:2918, killed by a soldier ant 12:05 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:11 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:12 !who 12:12 K2: [hdf-us] Merlin [nh363] zoya [nh363] Bartlem [nh363] Noah [nh363] Hill [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] malor [dnh] dbanethacker [evil] AntiVirus [evil] hothraxxa [fh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] FIQ [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:21 hey AntiVirus 12:21 hello 12:21 Hello AntiVirus, Welcome to #hardfought 12:21 AntiVirus: Message from K2 at 2019-10-15 07:55 EDT: evilhack 0.4.0 came out last night, that's why you're seeing new and different things :) 12:21 ^ that 12:21 I see that 12:21 pretty cool 12:22 congrats on the update, it's been fun so far 12:22 thanks! 12:22 you still have the silver flail of venom? 12:22 I did 12:22 of venom *and excellence* 12:22 on a wizard, but even with horrible hit chances it was killer 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:63226 12:23 fyi, finding gear with magical properties is super rare in evilhack compared to other variants that have the same 12:23 so you finding that, super cool 12:24 the glass darts are cursed 12:24 nooooo 12:24 I'll just save them for now I guess 12:24 +3 is still nice 12:24 yeah 12:24 on top of possibly enchanting them as a wiz 12:24 so 12:24 I don't think any other weapon can give them multishot 12:25 what happens to glass things when you throw them 12:25 it was really fun to play with 12:25 and I guess wizard now sees the "magical" property 12:25 it made it much easier to find magic gear. I love it 12:25 AntiVirus yes! 12:25 it really makes sense for wizards to have that ability 12:26 i pulled that from grunthack 12:26 oh cool 12:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:26 pseudodragons got the nerf, sure you've noticed by now 12:26 yes, I had one die to the first zombie it encountered 12:26 but its still a good pet 12:26 I'll have to play more careful with it 12:27 it 12:27 It's better this way, in .3 I could hide behind it all the way through the mines 12:27 spears seem more balanced 12:28 I can survive them if careful 12:28 explosion symbols are broken in curses DECgraphics 12:28 but that doesn't make any sense 12:28 yeah spear traps wont do as much damage now until deeper in the dungeon where you'd normally find them 12:29 FIQ how so? 12:29 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29 aosdict: In retrospect, I should've just made unicorn horns a single-use item. Turn to dust on successful use. 12:30 Simpler. 12:30 <{Demo}2> what if you could use them to restore alignment in fourk 12:30 <{Demo}2> but to do so destroys them 12:30 *gasp* no I need my horn 12:30 <{Demo}2> and only restores 1 point 12:32 the ultimate unihorn nerf - remove unihorns 12:33 how dare you 12:33 lol 12:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:36 I feel like most applications of unicorn horns are not unbalanced? Since using one takes at least one turn, they aren't ideal to use in combat. 12:37 I thought the big problem with them was that they totally negated all stat loss effects, and rendered restore ability pointless in the process. 12:38 That and they're a less-than-ideal way to deal with sickness causing monsters (you can get stuck in a loop of curing the illness and being re-infected), but that probably has more to do with how hard it is to protect vs. illness than it does with unicorn horns specifically. 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50229 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:50233 12:39 <@IceBoo> most unihorn variants do something like removing the stat loss curing effects but giving a 100% chance to cure status effects if blessed, i think 12:39 <@IceBoo> which i'd be totally fine with. Curing all stat loss is pretty weird 12:40 that's how it is in EH 12:40 which is cool, I actually value restore ability potions and spells now 12:40 hmm not quite 12:40 all status effects are guaranteed to be cured with blessed uni??? 12:40 there is no 100% chance anything 12:40 phew 12:40 right, except not that part 12:40 Also, how is there not an Amulet versus sickness? That's like one of the main things amulets were actually used for. 12:40 too OP 12:41 <@IceBoo> it's really just pesti that's OP against right? Other than the occasional out-of-depth summon of juiblex are there even any other sources of sickness that are dangerou? 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:59068 12:41 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:59068 12:41 demogorgon 12:42 <@IceBoo> ah, yes, haha 12:42 :P 12:42 <@magicbymcluxey> locusts 12:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "blessed crystal ball", on T:71429 12:42 You'd have to trade your life saving for sickness resistance, though. 12:42 evilhack has 2 objects that can confer sick resistance 12:42 <@IceBoo> locusts? That a priest thing? 12:42 <@magicbymcluxey> demogorgants 12:42 one is a quest artifact 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:6775 12:42 the other is gold dragon scales 12:43 the new role 'convict' starts with sick resistance 12:43 elf wizard spawns with ring of protection +4 12:43 iron ring 12:43 #quit 12:43 and healers now get sick res at exp level 15 or so 12:43 .l. 12:43 <@Tone> Yeah you get stuck in the same cure sickness loop no matter how you cure it 12:43 lol 12:43 hah 12:43 i need to setup a condition so elves dont spawn with anything made of iron at start 12:44 (or orcs and mithril) 12:44 yeah if I found a nice ring later made of iron I think that makes more sense 12:44 then it's a double edged sword 12:44 yeah 12:44 ok...this is a ring of levitation 12:44 made of iron... 12:44 awww 12:44 I can't wear it forever 12:45 so I'll make do until I get an amulet of flying and so on 12:45 at least amulets of flying are a thing 12:45 yea 12:45 those rock 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 10041 points, T:6968, killed by a giant mimic 12:45 one of my fav things from unnethack 12:45 it's everything you wished levitation was 12:45 in my last monk game I had one of those and a ring of slow digestion, and free action 12:45 so I put them all on full time 12:45 it was fantastic 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:42233 12:46 damn thats a lot of points early on... 12:46 yeah wow, artifacts? 12:48 i cant remember if dnh changed the scoring system 12:48 !lastgame bubbles 12:48 Chris_ANG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571157225.dnh.txt 12:49 Not seeing a reason 12:49 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 12:50 not much going on, I agree 12:51 "50 * (DL-1) points where DL is the deepest level reached" How much you wanna bet that's ledger number XD 12:51 heh 12:52 ie, the system that counts the Mines as deeper than gehennom. 12:52 And is already used for gem probabilities. 12:52 <{Demo}2> aaaa xchars? 12:52 I've figured out the best way to make my EH game last longer 12:52 is to play very slowly while working 12:53 however, the number of turns has not been affected at all ;) 12:53 lol 12:53 live forever! dont move 12:53 haha 12:53 No, it just assigns a unique number to each dungeon level, in the order they are listed in the dungeon definition. 12:54 It just shouldn't be used for anything other than internal record keeping, but it totally is. 12:54 ok I'm coming to terms with elves and cold iron...the way I look at it now, If I ascend an elf wizard that's worth like 10 valks 12:54 it's a "hard mode" choice 12:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 It might mostly happen in code that dates from back when the only things in the dungeon were the dungeons and gehennom. 12:55 <{Demo}2> bleh 12:55 AntiVirus i damped down the damage taken by elves coming contact with iron 12:55 <{Demo}2> and it isnt a problem in vanilla cause i guess soko and the miens end up fairly close to dungeon edeger nos? 12:55 just fyi 12:55 oh cool, I'll have to see if it's doable now 12:55 <{Demo}2> this sounds like potentially a vanilla bug sort of 12:56 gauntlets of power are not iron, right? 12:56 <{Demo}2> how doesnt slex have this problem? 12:56 just metal 12:56 I believe it makes the rarest gems randomly generate in the Mines. 12:56 their default material is iron 12:56 <{Demo}2> how did it take so long to notice in dnh? 12:56 eep ok 12:56 but they can spawn as other materials too 12:56 oh but you can find others 12:56 ok 12:56 At the moment I'm just guessing. But, who pays attention to scores XD 12:56 {Demo}2: huh? what are dungeon edeger nos? 12:57 <{Demo}2> ledger numbers 12:57 yeah an elf with a killer ascension kit is going to be a masterpiece 12:57 <{Demo}2> ah, guess ill go look 12:57 uhh... why would the ledger nos for soko and mines matter? 12:58 oh wait, you say there's supposedly a problem where it considers ledger number instead of depth for calculating depth score? first time I've heard of such a bug 12:58 Because, it's used in setgemprobs() 12:58 Well, maybe. Like I said, I'm guessing on the score part. 12:59 gah, which file is setgemprobs in 12:59 o_init 12:59 <{Demo}2> see deepest_lev_reached in dungeon.c 13:00 lol... slex doesn't have a problem with setgemprobs because I put a "return;" as the first line of that function :P 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 211 points, T:601, killed by a giant rat 13:00 Hm, no depth() is correct. 13:00 I still haven't quite got my head around "magical potion" but I suppose that means it's not water, oil, acid, juice 13:01 but wtf, that function indeed has ledgernos and stuff 13:01 My guess is that it dates from versions before the quests and the mines. 13:01 actually, that could come in handy near death 13:01 Back when ledger_no really would have been the same as depth 13:01 to have some idea that this potion does something 13:02 AntiVirus yes correct 13:02 <{Demo}2> deepest_lev_reached treats quest different from dungeon 13:02 most potions are magical 13:02 they are flagged that way in src/objects.c 13:03 ah 13:05 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:09 {Demo}2: I'm not seeing the cause. I *think* depth() works. The comment about how the Quest's depth is calculated just sounds wrong. 13:10 Does depth() work for chained branches like Vlad and the Depths? 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 43 points, T:94, killed by imitating a meat popsicle 13:11 NOOOOO 13:12 :P 13:13 HAHA 13:14 get a taste of your own stuff there? 13:14 hell yeah 13:14 nice 13:14 i must be punished for my past and future sins 13:15 O.O {Demo}2 Check out dungeon.c lines 861 and so on. 13:15 Oh wait no, was misreading it. 13:16 A spear stabs up from a hole in the ground! The spear isn't long enough to reach the pseudodragon. 13:16 hahaha 13:16 yeah the pseudodragon is great trap finder 13:16 so now I find one spear, then search a few turns and try to note where it flys 13:19 K2: [backscroll] Did you port xnethack's copper armor vs sickness? 13:19 no 13:20 K2: does untrapping a spear trap give you a spear? 13:20 on purpose 13:20 no 13:20 it can't be done, I've tried 13:20 spear traps cant be untrapped 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 727 points, T:1602, killed by a giant spider 13:23 <{Demo}2> something is definitely very wrong somewhere 13:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) was given Windrider, on T:75890 13:26 <{Demo}2> slashem monk air dash technique but its an artifact boot invoke 13:27 <{Demo}2> or shit, put it on windrider, why not 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 110 points, T:899, killed by a spear trap 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:50481 13:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:33 {Demo}2: New guess, it's the massive-xp-gain-from-m_level-underflow bug again. 13:35 <{Demo}2> like m_lev? it underflows? 13:35 You mentally assault the floating eye! The floating eye trembles in agony! 13:35 <{Demo}2> also hes only xlvl 9 in that last log 13:35 ^ so bad ass 13:35 <{Demo}2> or is there some other form of experience? 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2889 13:38 so jealous of IceBox 13:40 {Demo}2: Yeah, urexp tracks the total amount of XP gained for score purposes, and is distinct from the actual XP count. 13:40 The actual XP count has the gain capped by the amount needed for the next level, score XP has no such cap. 13:40 <@IceBoo> it was after like 2 sacrifices too AntiVirus 13:41 <@IceBoo> hdf knows i haven't played in a while so it's pampering me 13:41 hehe, well take it and run 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:50834 13:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:76338 13:42 Tenebrous can underflow m_lev using its void touch power, resulting in massive XP gain which would inflate the score XP counter. However, he does not have Tenebrous bound at the end there. 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:50845 13:43 <{Demo}2> how does it underflow m_lev? 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 682 points, T:2577, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 13:43 <{Demo}2> when you drain a guy on 0? 13:45 Huh. That bug *should* be fixed. Yet I got a report of it again like last week :/ 13:45 <{Demo}2> I don't get it 13:45 <{Demo}2> what happens? 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 16 points, T:204, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse 13:46 <{Demo}2> how is there anyway to underflow mlev? 13:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) performed the invocation, on T:76417 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 arrows on an altar, on T:3667 13:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:76544 13:50 Boy, I am really not seeing where the problem happens :/ 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5750 points, T:3815, killed by a death ray 13:54 k2: so it's safe to use qi on statues now ? 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2251 points, T:3008, killed by a dwarf 13:55 rebatela yeah 13:55 sweet 13:57 rebatela, qi? what is that 13:58 {Demo}2: How much scrollback do you have? Check for "but I levelled up from 12 -> 15" in this channel for the report. 13:59 not enough aparently 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Noah (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:4399 13:59 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi 14:00 uass 14:00 lol 14:00 I know that ;) 14:00 in evilhack, monks with enough skill in martial arts can channel their qi and use it to break statues and boulders with their bare hands 14:00 if you press F as a monk and then direction you can break boulders (and statues) 14:00 oh sweet 14:00 what level 14:00 skilled to even attempt it 14:00 ah 14:01 master to do it reliably 14:02 today in the news, Master Po was found dead in his quarters. it is believed he accidentally channeled his qi while masturbating 14:02 oops 14:03 o7 14:03 shan lai ching rest his soul 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4684 14:04 {Demo}2: Right, duh, "uchar m_lev" uchar is *unsigned char*, so it will underflow from level 0 to level 255 if the code is incautious with drains. 14:05 <{Demo}2> yeah but what is doing it? 14:06 man I'm glad I curse tested that lease 14:06 <{Demo}2> figured it out I think 14:06 *leash 14:06 poor pet 14:07 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:08 FRAK! "Your soul was bound to Paimon and Buer", unchecked "mtmp->m_lev--" in Paimon's bash-with-a-book code! 14:09 <{Demo}2> yep 14:09 <{Demo}2> testing 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Sam Hum Mal Law), 150029 points, T:20121, killed by a minotaur 14:09 <{Demo}2> not sure how I never ran into that 14:09 <{Demo}2> there used to be a time I'd play paimon spbk wep bincant 14:09 <{Demo}2> but I stopped cause it was wayyyy too weak 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:44608 14:12 oh man... i keep getting that mastodon mines and i think that time i got my own bones... the thing can't have many hitpoints left if anyone gets that level 14:13 <{Demo}2> ok yeah got an underflow 14:13 <{Demo}2> on a wizmode jackal 14:13 i kept assaulting it with projectiles from inside sanctity of temple. so tedious. then it finally killed me 14:15 !lastgame bubbles 14:15 Chris_ANG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571157996.dnh.txt 14:15 bbbaaaa! 14:15 ^ dire sheep 14:16 no, dire sheep go more like BBBAAAA!!! 14:16 Yup ;) 14:16 hah. did my dog really just growl at me for engrave testing a wand of light ? 14:16 why does dnethack have dire sheep 14:17 rebatela: light magic ticking off your allies is a really annoying part of evilhack 14:17 does this happen if you cast the spell 14:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered the Planes, on T:77765 14:18 Why is dnethack the *only* variant that has dire sheep :P 14:18 light spell 14:18 i actually toned that down 14:19 AntiVirus: yes, and it can do things like anger the watch or all the peaceful gnomes 14:19 strange 14:19 not really 14:20 imagine someone coming up close to you and setting off a big bright camera flash in your face 14:20 K2: in that context, peacefuls' exclamations on becoming nonpeaceful seem overblown 14:20 i personally would not be happy 14:20 I could see it with say, lightning if you blind them 14:20 i imagine that's what the lightning wand is like when you engrave test.. wand of light i thought was like a flashlight basically 14:20 Are there dire half-dragon bone-eating saltwater weresheep? 14:20 "Gasp!" = "That guy just set off a bright camera flash in Steve's face! Now I'm MAD and I'm going to kill him!" 14:20 anyways, i toned that bit down 14:20 wont happen as often 14:20 esp with peacefuls 14:20 but of all the things in evilhack, that doesn't bother me at all 14:21 (The actual answer is "because I added shepherd crooks for binders and shepherd shops that sell "wool" cloaks (+fireproof+coldproof) and dire sheep sounded funny") 14:22 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:22 Also overblown: orcs screaming in terror after I hit one of their friends in a light spell 14:23 <{Demo}2> ah, I see why it is such a problem 14:23 <{Demo}2> m_lev squared is added to xp for killing 14:23 Yup XD 14:24 YANI: For this 3.6 feature of peacefuls angering when you take hostile action against another peaceful, make the check on whether they flee or not based on their level relative to yours. 14:25 <{Demo}2> hmm, stormbringer and healer QA slow down XP gain. not sure if I've heard this drawback mentioned 14:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) destroyed Death, on T:77988 14:27 K2: What rubs me the wrong way about it is that peacefuls usually anger when the player takes a clearly hostile action towards them - casting light isn't a hostile action, even if it has a rare and random side effect of blinding things in its range. 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:78016 14:28 imagine someone coming up close to you and setting off a big bright camera flash in your face 14:28 ^ goes back to that 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:65613 14:29 does it only blind and anger adjacent monsters? 14:29 no it angers the ones being blinded 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:65615 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1115 points, T:2262, killed by a water moccasin 14:29 good old poison bite 14:29 i stand by my inclusion of that code 14:29 "imagine someone standing 30 feet away from you and setting off a bright camera flash" doesn't work quite as well. 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class d, on T:65616 14:29 30 ft away ok 14:30 well, depends on how many lumens a wand of light puts out 14:30 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 14:30 maybe add a distance factor 14:30 -!- luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 14:30 or just make it only able to blind those adjacent to you 14:30 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30 perhaps 14:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Orc Mal Non), 7674718 points, T:78018, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1568786323.dnh.txt 14:31 congrats @malor 14:31 <@malor> thanks. 14:32 Congrats :) 14:34 <@malor> I finally knocked off Binder. It was my arch nemisis. 14:34 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35 <{Demo}2> congrats 14:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:35 <@malor> My record with Binders was ZERO and 73 prior to that. Although I think at least 3 of those were bad luck šŸ™‚ 14:35 grats malor 14:36 <@malor> thanks. 14:37 K2 what about wizard magic detection and lamps 14:38 i would think it'd show as magical 14:38 neat 14:38 O - a magical lamp 14:44 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a tripe ration on an altar, on T:3057 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3167 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3167 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:67318 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:67347 14:52 aosdict: you're copperwater, right? 14:53 yeah 14:53 I see 14:53 how cryptic of you 14:53 I made a thing: http://home.fiq.se/curses_symset.patch 14:54 It fixes an incorrect (old) optimization in curses that fucked up explosion and swallow handling 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:67534 14:56 And does some other stuff 14:56 i saw the pull request 14:56 nice FIQ 14:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:58 K2: No idea if DT will bother though 14:58 they might 14:58 So far they've proved me wrong in their responsiveness since I started messing with NetHack coding again 14:58 So maybe I have to adjust my expectations 14:58 proved you wron gin a good ro bad way 14:59 A good way 14:59 ^ ignore spelling mistakes 14:59 oh good 14:59 Instead of being completely ignored, DT responded by merging my previous patch, and replying to all of my mails so far 14:59 A change of responsiveness from 0% to 100% is pretty decent, but it has only been going on for a couple of days so far 15:00 Maybe they got more active lately 15:00 i just might, since i'm getting tired of killing gnome arcs in fiqhack 15:00 oops 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Merlin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 228 points, T:2063, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 15:01 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 15:02 obviously expecting a 100% answer rate to last is unreasonable, but them being more responsive in first place can only be a good thing 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:63126 15:02 hothraxxa: poor arcs 15:02 How does Berith's blood merc ability work? It always says I don't have enough money on hand. 15:02 how do you die anyway 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:63126 15:02 is there a balancing issue here 15:02 or is it your play 15:03 fiq: it's those damned player monster bones that have thwarted me lately 15:03 I see 15:03 They're supposed to be sleeping 15:03 Are they not? 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1100 points, T:2520, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:03 it's not fighack so much, it's that gnome arcs are so squishy 15:03 ok 15:03 FIQ: if you mean lately as in the last year or so, yeah 15:03 no, the last two i cam across were definitely not sleeping 15:04 K2: cool 15:04 that is nice 15:04 K2: hmm I see 15:04 also, converting an altar has gotten a lot harder a low levels but that's not why i keep dying 15:04 need to look into it 15:04 oh *that* is definitely intentional 15:04 i know 15:05 I changed it to depend on sacrifice value 15:05 yes, it's complicated npw 15:05 dragon corpse > newt corpse 15:05 i have yet to convert an altar 15:05 I also don't get how Crows work in dnh 15:06 The monster dex says they do 2x 1d4 15:06 At 20 seed 15:06 speed, but they crush everything 15:06 basically 15:06 !who 15:06 K2: [hdf-us] zoya [nh363] samiam [nh363] Merlin [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] oh6 [nh363] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] rebatela [evil] Lachtain [gh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] wvc [4k] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:06 the value of the sacrifice 15:06 still gotta wait 15:06 is compared with a random number 1-2000 15:06 anyway my current gnome arc stepped on a trapdoor on dlvl 1 and plunged to dlvl 5 15:06 if the random number is smaller 15:06 it will work 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:67974 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:67977 15:07 so the best value sacrifice i've been able to get so far has been something like 500, so 1 in 4 odds 15:08 I don't remember what the vanilla odds are 15:08 better than that 15:08 but they're definitely worse now than they used to be 15:08 however, unlike vanilla, you can gurantee conversion around midgame easily enough 15:08 bubbles_nh: That's not very much damage per hit, its true, but they come in groups so it adds up quick. 15:08 As a pet though 15:08 $8004 is 2001 sacrifice value 15:08 well, at least my triple minetown bones now includes speed boots and a helm of brilliance 15:08 which will gurantee a conversion 15:08 i know 15:09 Chris_ANG he's clearing out zoos on level 8 without even sweating 15:09 Does he just hit so fast they can't respond or something? 15:09 er, the random number is actually 0-1999, not 1-2000 15:09 so just $8000 will do 15:09 my contribution will be deeply appreciated 15:10 Also @Chri 15:10 btw 15:10 (Sorry, not sure how auto complete works on this web interface) 15:10 sacrificing $1-3 15:10 will instantly convert you 15:10 it has a value of -1 15:11 Chris_ANG how does berith's blood mercenary ability work? I have 3.5k in hand and it tells me I don't have enough 15:11 oh wait, nvm 15:11 I'm confusing it with unicorns which set alignment record to -1 15:11 Oh, hm. Yeah, they're probably just very fast. Do you have beast mastery? That applies per-hit, so it's a large boost in the DPR. 15:12 a $1-3 gold sacrifice will upset the god of the altar 15:12 Yeah I do (though only basic as malphas wore off) 15:12 FIQ sacrificing something like a newt should also 15:12 which will cause it to give a divine retribution 15:12 the only altar in this game so far happens to be co-aligned 15:12 my deity after getting a newt - 'wtf is this??' 15:12 zap 15:12 however, it will also increase your current piety by 100 in case you did it on a crossaligned altar 15:13 it's newt. you can get a buzz on dude 15:13 so do it 100 times and you have enough piety for an altar gift :P 15:13 you might have been smitten by lightning beforehand, though 15:13 no minions? 15:13 well 15:13 it does whatever the regular angry god result is 15:14 lightning, cursing, etc 15:14 bubbles_nh: Huh. Like, out of your bag? 15:14 Yes 15:14 It works maybe 1/8 times 15:14 But other than that "You fire a blast of gold and blood. You hit the queen bee. You don't have enough gold on hand. The killer bee stings! The queen bee stings! The killer bee misses. The queen bee stings! " 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:68287 15:15 gold and blood? o.O 15:15 hmm, oops 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10541 points, T:4882, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted troll 15:16 I forgot to change your luck when you make an altar god angry by cheaping out on gold 15:16 meaning that with the right setup, you can spam it forever without harm 15:17 I have 3492 $ out of the bag at the moment 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 368 points, T:958, killed by a giant spider 15:19 Hm. Not replicating. It could be an interface bug? Drop your gold and pick it up again. 15:19 FIQ that just gave me an idea to resolve a comment you made earlier about forges and lava demons 15:19 !tell K2 pushed a fix for sacrificing gold on altars 15:19 Will do, FIQ! 15:20 !tell FIQ great thanks 15:20 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-15 15:19 EDT: pushed a fix for sacrificing gold on altars 15:20 I'm on it, K2. 15:20 Chris_ANG Can you spectate to tell me if I'm doing something wrong. 15:20 fun fact: minions is considered "worse" than lightning+disintegration for angry god results 15:20 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-15 15:20 EDT: great thanks 15:20 Ok so dropping then picking worked once 15:20 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 27509 points, T:1691, killed by a giant bat 15:20 this is probably because if not, you could avoid that punishment entirely on full moons with a noncursed luckstone 15:21 -!- bubbles_nh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 Huh 15:21 Drop and pick up again? 15:22 Oh, he's gone 15:23 <@riker> lol 15:24 FIQhack updated (all servers) 15:27 Oh, it's just a message bug. 15:28 Says "} You("don't have enough gold on hand.");" instead of "} else You(" 15:32 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:36 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:75895 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:75896 15:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5912 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:75940 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 299 points, T:736, killed by a giant bat 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3322 15:45 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:76156 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:76159 15:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 awwww a baby owl bear 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:51931 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize amulet, on T:10377 15:58 -!- bubbles_nh has joined #hardfought 15:58 Ugh, internet died for a while. 15:58 !tell bubbles_nh It turned out to just be a message bug. The "You don't have enough gold" message is displayed whether or not the attack actually does damage. If you check your GP supply you should see that it *is* being decremented. The message is not printed if the attack kills the target outright. 15:58 No worries, Chris_ANG, I've got this! 15:59 Chris_ANG: bad timing again :D 15:59 Heh 15:59 bubbles_nh: Message from Chris_ANG at 2019-10-15 15:58 EDT: It turned out to just be a message bug. The "You don't have enough gold" message is displayed whether or not the attack actually does damage. If you check your GP supply you should see that it *is* being decremented. The message is not printed if the attack kills the target outright. 15:59 rebatela owlbears lay eggs 15:59 Thanks Chris_ANG 15:59 hence baby owlbears 16:00 lol 16:00 Didn't even notice XD 16:00 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 16:01 I really wish I could help with fixes and stuff but alas :( 16:01 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:01 Work policies etc. 16:01 More like polices... 16:02 Also Chris_ANG honeycombs are super nutritious but no other special properties? 16:02 your work allows you to chat on IRC all day long but not use git? 16:02 aosdict: I'm on holiday for a few days 16:03 aosdict: can't contribute any software anywhere, not even my own stuff. 16:03 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 16:03 Yeah, it has as much nutrition as a food ration. 16:04 Make them like terraria honeycombs: they may generate a bee upon biting into them 16:04 That's a hell of a contract. 16:05 I thought it was pretty standard at all "Big Generic Tech Company" jobs. 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:76924 16:06 do you write software for a living, or do something else? 16:06 Is this a US job? 16:06 Yeah software, I'm in the UK but for a US firm 16:08 I guess I can see them not wanting you to take side gigs, but not being allowed to contribute to open source/hobby projects in your spare time seems eye-popping. 16:08 Software developers are predisposed to have side code projects. Sure they don't want you primarily focusing on that, but it's weird to say you can never focus on it. 16:08 I think it's so that code I write never reflects "badly" on them, and ip issues I guess. 16:08 It really sucks. One day bubblehack will be a thing! 16:09 That seems like one of those things that can't possibly be legal, but **I** sure wouldn't want to be the test-case :( 16:09 Chris_ANG: US contracts may say stuff like "all material produced while on the clock is the intellectual property of the company" 16:10 Yeah, that's standard. 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3682 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:45329 16:11 but if you're writing design docs like I was in my down time back in 2017, or making an open source project, they tend not to really care in my experience 16:11 But what he's describing sounds like forbidding a ferry captain from owning a sailboat. 16:11 Or telling a carpenter he's not allowed to fix his friend's cabinet on the weekend. 16:11 bubbles_nh: It does sound sort of like they're preventing you from writing your own software *ever*? 16:11 But like I said, **I** sure wouldn't want to be the test-case. 16:12 bubbles_nh: get access to the firewall 16:12 add a rule 16:12 aosdict: Once I leave I can again 16:12 allow github :P 16:12 K2: There's nothing physically stopping me! 16:12 Just the "LAW" 16:12 go go go 16:12 here take this helm of opposite alignment 16:13 and a clause like that sounds borderline unenforceable, not that I'm all that familiar with UK law. 16:14 US companies put all kinds of things in their companies. My brother was looking at taking a course/internship where you had to sign a contract saying you wouldn't work for any other company for 2 years or something, and you couldn't see the contract in advance, and you didn't *get* to see it until you moved across the country and have already taken 2 weeks of the course. 16:14 Probably is, not that I care too much at the mo-mo 16:14 <{Demo}2> pretty sure ive signed a contract that prevents me from signing a contract like that 16:14 That can't *possibly* be a legal contract, but we sure don't have the money to dispute that :( 16:14 Likely leaving soon anyway, US companies aren't fun when you're based int he UK 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:53033 16:14 in the 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:70603 16:14 some companies in the USA have successfully prevented employees from doing recreational marijuana or alcohol by forcing them to be tested while on the clock, but... software is nothing like that? 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:70613 16:15 That should have been "US companies put all kinds of things in their CONTRACTS" 16:16 Chris_ANG: your brother's course sounds like a total scam 16:16 He didn't take it basically for that reason. 16:17 Hehe unholy stout spear smashing the stupid holy e 16:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 But that's clearly not describing a legal contract. If one of the parties is signing under duress, it's not a legal contract, and the "course" is set up so that you are in WAY too deep to back out before they even let you see the contract. 16:18 But again, it'd take way too much money to pay layers to try to establish that in court. 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 592 points, T:941, killed by a giant bat 16:20 Chris_ANG: killing high level e will not promote low level e right? 16:21 No, it will promote them. 16:21 Autons, right? 16:21 Ah, so do I want to kill the little ones first? 16:21 Yea 16:21 Yeah 16:22 Killing a quinon promotes a quaton to quinon, then a triton to quaton, and so on down the chain. 16:22 Unless there's a break in the chain thanks to a levelport or something. 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] every2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2040 points, T:4173, killed by a giant mimic 16:25 Does blindless prevent studied? 16:26 No. Well, blinding THEM prevents it :P 16:26 But yeah, don't stand in the middle of a bunch of them. 16:28 I try not to! 16:28 Stupid leep 16:28 sleep 16:28 Do Otiax's attacks deal binder die? 16:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 625 points, T:749, killed by a boulder 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:77312 16:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:8984 16:34 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 309 points, T:752, killed by a giant rat 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3775437 points, T:77342, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1570680544.nh.html 16:38 Otiax uses 1d5, but the number of attacks it makes is influenced by the binder die (lower of d5 attacks a dDie attacks) 16:39 congrats oh6 :) 16:42 <@Umby> GG 16:44 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45 thanks rebatela! 16:45 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:53965 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:53966 16:46 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 love it 16:48 <@Umby> Gogogo 16:48 the elf zombies are fighting the orc zombies 16:48 love. it. 16:48 <@Umby> Even in undeath it's "fuck all y'all" season 16:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 4957 points, T:3103, killed by a baby silver dragon 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:54138 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63735 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63736 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:54206 16:55 Congrats on the ascension! 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:63916 16:58 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 563 points, T:736, killed by a little dog 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:54271 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4732 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a zruty, on T:4832 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4906 17:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 377 points, T:722, killed by a giant bat 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2455025 points, T:54318, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/nethack/dumplog/1570499068.nh.html 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5164 17:03 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 355 points, T:645, killed by a gnome lord 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:64097 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:64100 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10012 points, T:5699, killed by a soldier ant 17:12 Oooof down to two hp on cerb 17:12 Scary 17:12 Congats as well Bartlem! 17:15 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20 -!- luxidream2 is now known as luxidream 17:24 rip hothraxxa's Sokoban 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 11476 points, T:8216, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 17:24 ahhh man RIP 17:25 F those things 17:26 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 F 17:34 Oh god I just walked into lava and lost everything. 17:34 I wasn't watching properly :-( 17:35 K2: if I displace a monster who is the base monster for my race, I will briefly appear as such a monster 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:45651 17:38 "a magical lamp" 17:38 clearly an oil lamp 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 erodeproof dragonhide helm of brilliance", on T:45679 17:39 No it's "matical". 17:41 ooh, orc temple mines end 17:41 not the easiest one (that'd be wine cellar) but certainly the most rewarding 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:65530 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:45732 17:42 fiq: yeah i like that one because you can convert the altars 17:44 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:45 I get so greedy on that one though, I try to not kill the o before I get to the altars and then usually end up dying for it! 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:65766 17:46 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 17:48 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed wand of death", on T:49257 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:49261 17:55 <@Umby> GG to Bartlem 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:49274 17:55 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 17:56 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 17:56 Oh no 17:57 I wasn't watching 17:57 Oh no 17:57 a magical mithril hexagonal amulet (for sale, 1333 zorkmids) 17:57 fancy 17:58 oh right, grunt ammys are always "magical" 17:58 I forgot that 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:49427 17:58 oh well, can't go wrong with "oR 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:65972 18:01 <{Demo}2> detect magic 18:01 hmm 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:49505 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:49555 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2768313 points, T:49562, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/nethack/dumplog/1567635785.nh.html 18:07 <@Umby> GG 18:07 <@Umby> You were due for one 18:08 lol 18:08 a 2nd ammy 18:09 also reflection... this one is silver 18:09 more fitting I suppose 18:09 Gratz rebatela 18:09 ty 18:09 i only used 26 wishes 18:10 (that's the luckiest game i've ever had by far ) 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:66206 18:14 rip FIQ 18:15 bah! you've been watching me fuck up badly 18:15 nah 18:15 I just lost in evil 18:15 lo 18:15 l 18:16 no shame there, but i fumbled a boulder out of place then read a scroll of earth then displeased my god and worse, forgot i had wolfsbane 18:16 so i've completely flushed this game down the loo 18:17 <@Umby> oh no 18:17 <@Umby> ? 18:17 <@Umby> Sokoban trouble it sounds like? 18:17 yeah i was distracted and just made a bunch of stupid mistakes one after the other 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2791848 points, T:66226, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1570932734.nh.html 18:18 which wouldn't bother me except fiq happened to be watching 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 10686 points, T:3960, killed by a queen bee 18:18 so i have lycanthropy and another 1200 turns or so of bad luck 18:18 congrats bliss56! 18:19 yeah wolfsbane is good for that lycanhtropy 18:19 u had it? 18:19 yes i just forgot and prayed, but camaxtli is displeased 18:20 yep.. sounds like my life lol 18:20 i had to ascend this vanilla game just to give myself a little confidence. 18:20 anyway i got reckless and decided to just charge into the zoo and fiq sent me a mail daemon reminding me about the wolfsbane 18:21 oh i know that feeling 18:21 that's why i played grunt after the second evilhack astral splat 18:21 lava room 18:21 fancy 18:22 hothraxxa: I wasn't watching generally, just jumped in to look at your progress whenever I was inbetween evil games 18:22 "is this a bad time?" :P 18:22 this game was not bad until i got to soko 4 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 189 points, T:511, killed by a small mimic 18:24 K2: spectate me 18:24 what happened? 18:25 I got like a million "You have a little trouble removing D - a scroll labeled ANDOVA BEGARIN (5" messages 18:26 <@riker> known bug 18:26 <@riker> don't know if we know why 18:26 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27 curses 3.6.x bug 18:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 839 points, T:1452, killed by a small mimic 18:28 huh 18:28 2 downstairs in the same room 18:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 307 points, T:232, killed by a rabbit 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 361 points, T:735, killed by a wererat 18:31 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13452 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45833 18:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:31187 18:35 huh 18:35 no partial telepathy gain from floating eyes in evil 18:35 nice 18:35 you get it right away 18:37 you get it from like goblin shamans and gnomish wizards etc too 18:37 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38 those light blue gnome casters that are a pita 18:38 hmm I need to configure statuscolors 18:39 well, statushilites 18:39 dude the number of games I have had ruined by Gnomish wizards... 18:39 and when you have telepathy, it's even worse 18:39 can someone link a good baselevel for statushilites? 18:39 I took settings from K2's config 18:39 link= 18:39 ? 18:40 !rc K2 18:40 !rcfile K2 18:40 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc 18:41 lots of good stuff in there, including settings that make me have to hit TAB to clear terminal illness 18:41 so I don't fly past the message 18:41 w/o reading it 18:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1148 points, T:1801, killed by a large mimic 18:45 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 298 points, T:772, killed by a rabbit 18:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 265 points, T:917, killed by a bolt of cold 18:48 oh bugger 18:49 antivirus: yeah the fire spell that destory all your stuff suck, but for me even when they just stun you it can ruin your game... if you're standing next to the river or whatever 18:49 then you can't even move because you're stunned and you'll take a dip if you try 18:49 (this is pre-unihorn obviously) 18:50 <@riker> that one actually pinged somebody who looks reasonably active lol 18:50 <@riker> ("anti", whoever they are) 18:50 my goto move when i'm not standing next to water/lava/pet/peaceful is actually try to move away from them and trick the game into hitting them 18:50 <@riker> most of the accidental irc pings don't 18:54 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 380 points, T:648, killed by a hobbit 18:54 does that work? 18:54 they end up in the water/lava? 18:55 I definitely sick my pet on them 18:55 oh no... i'm saying just in general if you are standing in open space next to a monster and you are stunned and you want to hit it, you are better off picking a random direction 18:55 ah lol 18:56 because it might actually hit them, where as if you try to it's gonna go another direction 18:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31981 18:56 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57 yeah I always stand still if I can 18:57 when stunned, but when there's a monster 18:57 yeah me too... but sometimes you just die doing that 18:57 how funny but true you have a greater chance of killing them going any other direction 18:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 729 points, T:1230, killed by something while blind 19:00 ... 19:00 Someone threw a bad at me 19:00 jewelery store dude...got all the rings 19:00 including an amulet of lifesaving at lvl3 19:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:01 <@riker> nice, now put on cursed conflict :p 19:01 lol 19:01 I'm holding them all for blessed identify TYVM 19:03 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 19:03 go for +5! 19:03 Didn't even get +3 though. 19:04 I used up all the wish luck on the 3 scrolls of charging. 19:04 I thought +3 was the statistical best 19:04 depends on what your endpoint is 19:04 FIQ: i thought that was fixed (your scrolling message) 19:04 evilhack has the latest devteam commits 19:04 I want my gear to be +5, but usually settle at +4 19:05 so if you can get +5 right out of the gate, then why not? 19:05 +0 to +4 or 5 usually will take only 2-3 scrolls of EA anyway 19:06 <@Andrio Celos> Oh dear 19:06 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633802860538363904/unknown.png 19:07 Apparently I'm putting in an infinite number of scrolls now. 19:07 dammit 19:07 hit ESC 19:07 K2 shoot off out of the cockpit 19:07 done 19:08 aww a baby owlbear 19:08 can I pet it 19:08 <@riker> yes 19:08 awwwwwwwww 19:08 <@riker> it can pet you too! 19:08 owlbears lay eggs 19:08 watch your fingers 19:09 those baby owlbear beaks are nasty 19:09 heh 19:09 hmm I forcebolted it and ate it 19:09 but gosh it was cute 19:09 <@riker> does it taste like chicken? 19:09 only hea head 19:09 *the head 19:10 is an owlbear a mammal or a bird 19:10 bird 19:10 but it has hair 19:10 mammals dont lay eggs 19:10 bearowl would be a bird. 19:10 except for platypus and echonda 19:10 <@riker> owlbear is monotreme confirmed 19:10 tell that to a platypus 19:10 echidna 19:11 AntiVirus i hope you dont run into a giant centipede... 19:11 ugh... i forgot to use those pit viper eggs!! 19:11 (pitfiend) 19:11 lol 19:11 i just ascended that game and i took the eggs with me! 19:11 just completely forgot 19:12 i had like 6 archon figurines and probably 30 purple worms... they would have just gotten eaten 19:12 K2 don't lie to me, yes you do 19:12 ok ok... i do 19:12 haha 19:12 knew it 19:13 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:13 Anybody ready for "Revenge of the Centipede" Part 2? 19:13 err, "Giant Centipede" now 19:13 rebatela give your archons rings of slow digestion 19:14 archons don't eat! 19:14 what happens when you wear a ring of slow digiestion and you get engulfed 19:14 *digestion 19:14 ahhhhhh 19:14 :) 19:14 and monsters can wear most rings in evilhack 19:14 so I can give my evil pets rings now? 19:14 yup 19:15 cooooll 19:15 I already have a lv32 titan named K2 19:15 k2: yeah that's a great tip 19:15 neat 19:15 it has AC:-31 already, don't want to lose him 19:15 i needed to ascend that game though. enough is enough. 26 wishes.... 19:16 hah wow 19:16 3 wands before the castle... and i could have played wishless. it was just the luckiest dungeon ever. 19:16 I may have just polypiled all my spare rings... oop 19:16 now back to EH :: sigh :: 19:16 s 19:17 i'm due for a rando WoW in EH though for sure 19:17 pre-charged 19:17 oh i know 19:17 the first one i found i wished for charging scrolls and learned my mistake 19:17 they do exist 19:18 tomorrow... i am updating the wiki 19:18 i have to now 19:18 maybe some tonight 19:18 ugh... 19:18 The bug seems to happen when I have something with a type name that doesn't fit on one line 19:18 You put an uncursed +0 pair of gloves called padded none 50 into the large 19:19 I should be wearing those actually... 19:19 are there new branches in 0.4.0? k2? 19:19 no 19:19 that'll be for 0.5 19:19 cool 19:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:32373 19:23 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 727 points, T:1433, killed by a giant rat, while paralyzed 19:24 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:2883 19:26 Steve grows up into an ancient pseudodragon. Steve eats a rock mole corpse. 19:27 <{Demo}2> punch him 19:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2911 points, T:3517, killed by a dung worm 19:29 !who 19:29 K2: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] Hill [nh363] luxor [slshm] rikersan [dnh] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] k2 [evil] Ardub [xnh] Lachtain [gh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh363] 19:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased filth-crusted +5 black arrow", on T:45962 19:32 lol oh no 19:32 I'm so screwed 19:32 a difficult spellbook teleported me into a vault, and I have no digging tools 19:32 HAHA 19:33 guard will come 19:33 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:33 oooh right 19:33 <{Demo}2> evilhack water vaults in the mines need guards :P 19:33 I guess it's been a long time since I rocked & moled 19:34 <@Umby> Lol 19:34 rofl 19:34 <@Umby> Just drop gold, grab digging tools, come back 19:34 <@Umby> or controlled teleports 19:34 yeah if they find you 19:34 with their shit, they're mad right? 19:34 <@Umby> No 19:34 <@riker> they're not mad until you refuse to follow 19:34 ah 19:34 <@Umby> They just ask you to drop the gold you have 19:34 <@Umby> Yeah 19:35 <@Umby> Once you leave the path disappears but you still know where the Vault is 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6688 points, T:5943, killed by a giant turtle 19:35 <@Umby> Go team Koopa! 19:36 yeah i didn't even see it.. shouldn't be playing 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:5485 19:37 turtles aren't that tough. just wasn't paying attention 19:37 but now i want to play mario. thanks umby ;) 19:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased very historic filth-crusted heptagram engraved magic marker named pictionary time!", on T:46434 19:37 UUUGGG 19:37 door traps 19:38 burned up pretty much everything 19:38 <@Umby> I hate those lmao 19:38 water, ID scrolls, spellbooks 19:38 bye bye 19:38 <@Umby> Oh right, they do more than explode outsude vanilla 19:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased historic thoroughly reflective arkenstone", on T:46446 19:38 <@Umby> Yikes, RIP man 19:38 they're like a fire trap 19:38 <@Umby> It's why I constantly lug my BoH 19:38 I'm too low level for BoH 19:39 any bag I find, I always start using that 19:39 <@Umby> Anything works 19:39 <@Umby> Just personal bias there :B 19:40 <@Umby> My Cancellor (Chancellor?) wizard gal lucked into one from a big gen shop 19:40 <@Umby> Lv3 even 19:40 <@Umby> Was just a matter of beefing up and finding gold 19:40 <@Umby> (which got me a random gauntlets of power drop) 19:40 ihate the door traps more than the spear traps 19:41 and they keep going off... the trap will stay sometimes 19:41 really sucks before you have a container 19:42 -!- AntiVirus16 has joined #hardfought 19:43 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4118 19:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:46997 19:45 hmm 19:45 now my attributes colorizes based on bonuses 19:45 good stuff 19:45 no idea what to do about int/wis/cha though 19:45 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46 cha can probably display buy price modifier 19:46 playing with status colors? 19:46 yeah 19:46 i need to copy someone's rc file 19:46 statushilites 19:46 that's what i meant 19:47 FIQ: ooh, good idea for cha 19:47 mine is based on something that was going around on NAO few years back 19:47 but i bet you can do much better things these days 19:47 you play with curses, fiq? 19:49 yes 19:49 rebatela: stth's rcfile? 19:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed the invisible Belial, on T:47327 19:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 3945 points, T:4578, killed by a Woodland-elf 19:49 a lot of people use his, either from stth directly, or from someone who copied his 19:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed the invisible Fierna, on T:47332 19:50 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 19:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 19:50 there was a period where a couple used my rcfile, which was copied off stth 19:50 You are now wearing a shield of reflection named Medusabane. The door opens. Medusa's gaze is reflected by your shield. Medusa is turned to stone! 19:50 (the reason being that mine had more elaborate settings for one of those menucolors/statuscolors things, IIRC) 19:51 nah it wasn't that fancy 19:51 oh right, now I remember 19:51 i think the colors came from one of the mauds originally. 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5841 19:51 it was because I created menucolors to replicate NH4 behaviour 19:51 including notifying worn/lit/etc status 19:51 which stth's didn't 19:51 that was pretty much the only benefit above using stth's directly 19:52 if i had a larger display, i would give curses a morse serious chance. But i don't like it. I like tty. I'm in the minority 19:52 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 19:53 heh 19:53 but i like watching other people play with it 19:53 <@riker> jesus christ I have 8 "oLS 19:53 the main benefit of curses is larger message display and perm_invent 19:53 then i know what they have 19:53 right 19:53 aosdict: what do I do with int/wis 19:53 <@riker> I'm going to die to a really stupid way, or by some dude stealing all 8 of them at once somehow 19:53 it feels wrong to only color 4 of the 6 attributes 19:53 can't do something similar with int/wis compared to the rest which has an obvious consistent way to set it up :P 19:54 i think aosdict's rc file is all white EXCEPT int/wis 19:54 Larger message display is huge (aha) 19:55 oooh 19:55 I can color experience 19:55 this is great 19:55 So I sit on this throne the first three times, and I get a wish, then wisdom, then magic mapping 19:55 then I can add percentage indicators 19:55 i play tty but i change the font in my terminal to whtaever the largest is so it fits on screen... so if i witch to curses i resize and everything looks small. i'm used to big characters 19:56 i'm like pacman size @ hero 19:56 just curious what font/fontsize fills a 1080 screen for you? 19:56 its allways a lot of fiddling to get it right 19:57 depends on font 19:57 it's not that big 19:57 16 19:57 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 19:57 monospace regular 16 i bleieve... but i'm on this tiny laptop. 19:57 rebatela: I play roguelikes in a big font, but not to fill the screen. 19:57 well it doesn't fill horizontally. 19:57 aaah 19:58 It's just as big as it can get and not have to scroll 19:58 yeah that's pretty much what I do 19:58 even on a 4k screen 19:58 like a 50 inch TV lol 19:58 yeah right? 19:58 full screen terminal, large font 19:58 i did that the other day 19:58 I love it 19:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:48624 19:58 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/temp/crawl.png # yes, sorry, it is that _other_ roguelike 19:58 but that's what I would imagine curses would be good on 19:58 a tv size display 19:58 yeah maybe I could try that and have a largish font 19:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:33816 19:59 So there's easily room for a few extra lines of messages there. 19:59 with perminv and be able to read the whole thing 19:59 it's just too much fiddling with columns/rows font sizes 19:59 I usually throw in the towel and just play 19:59 maybe somebody can paste their settings lol 19:59 I'll take them 20:00 <@riker> 9 "oLS now anybody want 1 20:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48742 20:00 yeah... just add the curses settings as comments and you can comment them out.. seems like what most people do. some people seem to go back and forth 20:01 yeah true enough 20:05 -!- AntiVirus16 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06 can I use spaces in statushilites and have them be ignored? 20:09 <@riker> is he not dead? ok then 20:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49741 20:10 @riker you know who wants an "oLS? Him. 20:10 <@riker> did not know it starts under him, not with him 20:10 Why don't you give him one? 20:10 <@riker> (the book of the dead) 20:10 <@riker> I"m ok thanks, one of vlad's consorts already took one but I gave her no time to put it on 20:10 <@riker> which is wack consideirng she has a sedu.... gaze? 20:13 apparently not 20:14 K2: we can use your ermahgerd website to throw quotes at each other 20:14 I'll start: ERN A HERL ERN DA GRERND THER LERVERD A HERBERT 20:15 lol 20:16 hmm... do not paste the monty python spam sketch transcript into that 20:17 ERMG PERT FERND ERGS 20:17 ^ omg pit fiend eggs 20:17 k2 20:17 rebatela 20:17 aosdict! 20:17 \o/ 20:17 ... DIRGE 20:17 i'm really sorry about that paste the other night trying to build that slashem variant 20:17 its ok 20:17 and anyone it caused trouble for 20:18 DERG 20:18 ^ dirge 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9286 20:18 aosdict k2 rebatela => ERSDERCT K2 RERBERTERL 20:18 lol 20:18 i don't know where that guy ran.. it's elrond or elronnd 20:18 brb 20:18 you mean ERLRERND? 20:18 <{Demo}2> ERLANG 20:19 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 20:19 LERXERDRERM (WERZ ERC FERM CH) MAHD HER FERST WERSH - "BLERSERD GRERSERD +2 SERLVER DRERGERN SCERL MAHL", ERN T9286 20:19 i am excited for the slashem variant nonetheless 20:19 i almost had it built 20:19 rebatela: Elronnd appears to be going by moon_child these days 20:19 yeah that's it 20:19 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:20 we were talking and i was trying to compile his new variant locally 20:20 <{Demo}2> moon_child sounds like some portland shit 20:20 and i accidentally posted all the output here 20:20 Moon Child is a song from King Crimson's first album 20:21 you are correct 20:21 <{Demo}2> one time i met a guy from portland that thought he was a child of the sun and thats what it makes me think of 20:22 child of the moon is a rolling stones tune 20:22 i think we are all children of the sun though 20:23 mostly, with some heavy elements from other, dead, stars 20:23 <{Demo}2> it was like the "oops i did too many hallucinogens" type of child of the sun type deal 20:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed Dagon, on T:50955 20:24 However, children of the moon only occur when something impacts the moon hard enough to send bits of moon down to earth 20:24 <@Tone> Got to see King Crimson live two weeks ago. They played Moon Child :) 20:24 this is portland, oregon then? (i remember from Railroad Tycoon there's two portlands) 20:24 <{Demo}2> yes, the one with crazy ppl 20:26 is that where you live demo? 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13464 20:27 <{Demo}2> no 20:27 oh i see the guy was from there 20:27 yeah... lots of hippies in oregon 20:27 and rednecks... you have both extremes 20:27 <{Demo}2> oh that sounds like a bad mix 20:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed the invisible Malcanthet, on T:51223 20:28 K2: it's a toss up between MA and CT for which one has the better ermahgerdification 20:29 euegene and portland are a lot different than the rest of oregon 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:15812 20:31 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:33 {Demo}2: I know some people from portland 20:33 that's definitely an accurate assesment 20:33 I have the nick because of the neverending story, though 20:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed Daemon, on T:51952 20:36 rebatela: progress is happening on the slashem variant. Mainly working on simplifying the build process atm, so I can really easily build a statically linked binary for other people to use so I don't have to figure out how tf to make other people build it 20:36 nice! 20:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:52079 20:37 i'm happy to help test anything (soberish this time) 20:37 (not now... just in general ) 20:38 i plan on ascending evilhack tonight, and then I'm going to be bored and need something else to play ya know? 20:38 <@riker> really? asmo game? :/ 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:24385 20:40 Ok so I've got my luckstone and level 14, got the quest summon, what should I prio next? 20:40 Explore down to the castle and see what there is to see? 20:40 what role are you? 20:41 do you have magic resistance? relfection? 20:41 <@riker> inc binder, dnh 20:41 <@riker> he can get both of those hella ez 20:41 <@riker> I'd say check which chaos first bubbles 20:41 i don't know jack about dnh 20:41 <@riker> if it's chaos3 you can start exploring the first bit, there's a bunch of random rings you may find useful for food / intrinsics 20:42 <@riker> note - if you find a fire res one, save it, since there's some firey stuff that you will die if you do'nt have fire res (and extrinsic helps vs invent nuking) 20:42 some roles (in vanilla) you get MR from quest, so it can greatly influence which you do first 20:43 inc have mres intrinsicall 20:43 I can get refl via Eden (which I probably should first actually) 20:44 riker: ok I'll check chaos, how do I tell which variant I have? 20:44 <@riker> it will be very clear, tell me what it looks like 20:44 <@riker> trees - chaos3, stair in center - chaos1, otherwise - chaos2 20:44 <@riker> god damnit 20:44 <@riker> the wiz took the bell and ditched it somewhere 20:45 <@riker> zero clue where it ended up, I've fought him a bunch recently :/ 20:46 <@riker> bubbles: do you knwo what the law and neu branch levels look like? 20:46 riker yeah 20:46 I've completed both before, in a past life! 20:46 <@riker> ok so yeah the only other special level you'll see is chaos I believe 20:46 <@riker> in the main dungeon, pre medusa and not counting big rooms 20:46 I've not yet poked my head into neutral yet, but I cleared the castle 20:47 the neutral castle I mean 20:47 <@riker> ah ok 20:47 <@riker> neutral first is hella easy 20:47 <@riker> go there as soon as you find the portal (it's randomly in the tree areas) 20:48 <@riker> it has no hostile monsters, but like 4 delis, 1 armor shk, 1 potion, 1 tool, 1 general, 1 beehive, 1 crossaligned temple 20:49 Found /monster so will try to get the pen first Ig uess 20:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:52999 20:49 My only altar is on level 3 though :-\ 20:49 <@riker> lmao I drowned somebody with the invocation pools 20:49 Outside of gnometown 20:49 nice 20:49 <@riker> :/ I'd recommend going for it though 20:53 ugh finally 20:53 <@riker> nice! 20:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:53729 20:53 <@riker> also about to do a pro gamer strat 20:53 <@riker> thanks wiz very cool 20:54 Big brain time! 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1482 points, T:2455, killed by a soldier ant 20:54 a! 20:54 <@riker> did he not grab it 20:55 there 20:55 finished messing with XP statushilites 20:57 in retrospect, zapping that wand of cold might have helped 20:57 <@riker> where tf did the amulet go 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:29937 21:03 Can't drown me in water if I freeze it all, CAN YOU ; 21:04 <@riker> finally got the amulet the wiz was just a dumbass the first run 21:05 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 21:05 riker: I see trees (of green) 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32124 21:08 unfortunately, red roses do not exist in nethack 21:10 <@riker> bubbles: stairs in the middle, elves and orcs? 21:11 <@riker> chaos3 21:11 <@riker> hold on I'm trying to fight the mysterious force (spoiler - I'm losing) 21:11 Yeah 21:11 No worries!! 21:12 <@riker> > orc of the ages of stars zombie 21:13 <@riker> really? I get forced at least 10 times so far and you're giving me this? 21:13 <{Demo}2> its only like 6 speed or whatever tho 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) averted death, on T:57179 21:14 <@riker> no it's not 21:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:47579 21:14 <@riker> i'ts speed 12 and very bad since they spawn in groups and have funky teleport behavior 21:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) averted death, on T:57288 21:15 <@riker> i'm never not geno'ing L again 21:15 <{Demo}2> ah why? 21:16 <@riker> undead spam 21:16 <@riker> to quote a wide man 21:16 <@riker> *wise 21:16 <@riker> "this sucks, on ice" 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a succubus, on T:36096 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36101 21:21 -!- jessek2 has joined #hardfought 21:22 -!- jessek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23 Oooh a ford guardian 21:24 Very dangerous, watch out. 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:36328 21:25 <@riker> wait chris do darkness given hungers eat organics 21:25 <@riker> ala gel cubes 21:25 <@riker> oh nevermind he just held onto it 21:26 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 21:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:58327 21:27 On Astral, then :D 21:27 <@riker> thank fucking god that took FOREVER 21:27 <@riker> and I died enough to make a gevruh spawn, nice 21:27 Chris_ANG: is he immune to magic basically? 21:28 MR 120? 21:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:36866 21:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:36868 21:28 <@riker> kill him from range you'll be fine 21:28 <@riker> I've never actually been hit by him 21:28 Oh, no. 21:28 Yeah I smashed him with blizzard so he wasn't in breath line of sight 21:28 And he just let me, very kind. 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:36942 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class R, on T:37036 21:29 The numerical monster resistance determines how often they take half damage from spells. 21:30 Ah ok 21:30 What does "quick caster" do, he can cast at 12 move speed or something? 21:31 <@riker> no spell cooldown between spells 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 613 points, T:1331, killed by a dwarf 21:31 I think that's the term of art for no cooldowns, yeah. 21:32 Ah ok 21:32 !who 21:32 FIQ: [hdf-us] Hill [nh363] Luxidream [nh363] Karnac [nh363] rikersan [dnh] Grouchy [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:4 21:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:59180 21:32 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 21:33 Is this quest eligible for bones? 21:33 I think I'm on a filler level, can only see a nazghul 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:38156 21:34 Well, it SHOULD be. But most places in dnh don't leave bones for some reason I haven't looked in to. 21:36 I wish stuff like shades were easier to see tbh 21:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:59358 21:36 !rc k2 21:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) averted death, on T:59363 21:36 !rcfile k2 21:36 bah 21:36 !command 21:37 !commands 21:37 K2: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 21:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 8333075 points, T:59389, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1570881116.dnh.txt 21:37 <@riker> yeet 21:37 Congrats :) 21:37 <@riker> i'd like to note I made it from air with 47 hp and without dying until astral 21:37 <@riker> and it was a soldier ant that did it I believe, so !gt a? 21:38 bubbles_nh: Has anyone mentioned that the silver and mithril swords found around the first part of this quest are special? 21:38 They're special. 21:38 Congrats riker 21:38 special? 21:39 I picked up a silver long sword... 21:39 If I get enough of them together and polymorph them will something happen? 21:39 Nah, after you kill a monster, they do bonus damage to monsters of the same type. 21:40 If you kill multiple monsters of the same type in a row, it stacks up to 2x. 21:40 If you kill a different monster, it resets. 21:40 The amount is +.25x per kill, so it takes 4 kills to max out the bonus. 21:40 Ah ok 21:41 I mostly just spellcast anyway 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:39425 21:44 Loving this transdimentional ray 21:44 Can just make the nazghul come out of their little house one by one 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:39806 21:45 Nazgul swords are also special. The sword is unholy (and generated cursed) and the dagger is morgul (should probably keep an eye on your self exam screen, but it's not a big deal for a Binder) 21:45 Ah so unholy = big damage versus lawful things 21:45 Good to know, thanks. 21:45 Is there anyway to id this ingame? 21:46 An endless stream of 2 snakes pours forth! 21:46 Yeah, most things show once the item is formally IDed. 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:40253 21:46 okey dokey 21:46 The elf swords will show as "wrathful", the Nazgul swords will only show their modifier while cursed. 21:47 ("unholy" and "morgul") 21:47 So does unholy always = cursed? 21:47 It's not a big deal since I can always just use mother to drop the weapon 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40494 21:48 Yeah 21:48 If it's not cursed, it won't display the "unholy" modifier, and unholy weapons don't show the "cursed" modifier. 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 498 points, T:505, killed by a giant mimic 21:48 Unholy weapons do 2x damage to things that are curse-sensitive, like most Angels. 21:49 So now we can't dip an uncursed diluted potion called see invisible into a fountain. 21:49 Oh oh I have forgotten healing as an incantifier... 21:50 -!- jessek2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:50 No Buer? 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:48147 21:51 co-aligned altar in minetown PARTAY 21:51 lol 21:51 No slots for him 21:51 Very soon 18 21:52 -!- Porkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52 Got some spellbooks unid for maybe extra healing, but only 10 int 21:52 So at level 17 I don't know what chance that is 21:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 212 points, T:812, killed by a small mimic 21:55 I have an In:8 samurai who knows extra healing 21:55 Can't use it, but... 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:41827 21:55 Chris_ANG: something is singing good songs for me, should I be scared? 21:55 I unshackled a couple of angels (Coure Eladrin and Lillend) 21:56 Lillends sing. 21:56 AoE buffs and healing. 21:57 I am healed! 21:57 Glory be. 21:58 There's equipment around suitable for their use, if you want to keep them. 22:00 Ooh an emperor, with a cloak! 22:00 Or is it just a misnamed thing? 22:01 "Mantle of Wrath" 22:01 No, it's a real artifact 22:02 I guess the fun begins now re: artifacts coming my way 22:03 Also I can't seem to #equip the lillend with a weapon 22:03 Yeah, just make sure she's paying attention and toss one to her. 22:03 oh damn quote #2755 is good (https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2755) the salad one 22:03 Also, make sure to toss her the masks, too. 22:04 <{Demo}2> DO NOT let her have a yellow/black mask or an exploding sphere mask 22:04 <{Demo}2> or she WILL kill herself 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:43019 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 3634 points, T:5312, killed by a giant anaconda, while praying 22:05 hm...anacondas eh.. 22:05 feh 22:05 brb 22:06 How giant is a giant anaconda? The regular ones are pretty huge. 22:06 Chris_ANG: Or {Demo}2 can she use a large 2h ? 22:06 like, probably 4 or more 22:08 <@riker> bubbles: I believe so 22:08 <@riker> note - she won't use a main weapon too much (unless you give her weapon-wielding masks) 22:08 <@riker> lillends use the attack routine of a random mask they're carrying 22:08 Roger that. with no masks she'll just sing? 22:09 <@riker> yep 22:09 <@riker> she should sing in additino to using masks though 22:09 <@riker> I think 22:09 <@riker> they're not an attack per se 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43377 22:09 Pinkbeast: giant anaconda's in evilhack are large enough to engulf you 22:10 <@riker> bubbles: for what it's worth - they can use masks of uniques :) 22:10 real life ones can swallow a man whole also 22:10 Mmm. So I'm not sure they are per se giant :-) 22:10 Can I make masks? 22:10 Or just luck of the draw finding them 22:10 PS: the ogre emperor had 20 ancient arrows, I thought they shouldn't be generated normally? 22:11 <@riker> you could wish if you care enough 22:11 <@riker> hm, they probably are forced there 22:11 <@riker> hm, nevermind, they aren't generated ancient by default 22:11 I suppose regular anacondas do have to constrict you first etc rather than just going om NOM nom nom 22:12 <@riker> hey @ChrisANG do I qualify as being the first to ascend a dnh arc? 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:44095 22:12 Yes, these anacondas are *so* giant that they can swallow a man whole in a matter of seconds 22:12 Probably? The Archeologist revision, ofc. 22:12 <@riker> yah tha'ts what I mean 22:13 <@riker> not sure, but I feel like a new first gift + 3 new crowning artifacts + a redesigned quest counts, even if the nemesis and the QA are the same 22:13 Yup 22:13 <@riker> also jesus, those ascensinos are ancient 22:13 are these spider rooms new 22:13 <@riker> +10 CPM? ah yes 22:15 <@riker> verier being pluralized funky? how old was that 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44495 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 5504 points, T:7345, killed by an owlbear 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:71015 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 932 points, T:1339, killed by the wrath of Raijin, while being terrified of a demon 22:20 <@riker> !lastgame karnac 22:20 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Karnac/nethack/dumplog/1571189541.nh.html 22:20 So is a "Queen of Stars" mask a good one? 22:20 <@riker> very yes 22:20 <@riker> how did you find that 22:20 I have queen of stars, gwynharawyf, and faerinaal 22:20 They are in a chest 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 cursed potions of gain level", on T:45098 22:20 <@riker> wow, really? neat 22:21 Should I give all three to her, or should she prefer the "best" one? 22:21 I assume I should NOT give her black dragon 22:21 <@riker> yes 22:21 <@riker> she will disint herself :p 22:21 :-) 22:21 <@riker> same with yellow dragon, or anything with an exploding attack (lights, spheres, etc.) 22:21 cockatrice she'll petrify herself I guess 22:21 <@riker> probably lol 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:71060 22:21 marilith is pointless probably. 22:22 <@riker> no they're really good if you give her a ton of arti weapons 22:22 <@riker> so I'd bag it 22:22 if I put on one of these masks and poly myself what would happen? 22:22 <@riker> you will become the monster IF it is polymorphable 22:22 <@riker> so you cannot become the uniques, but you can a marilith 22:22 Would break my clothes though 22:22 <@riker> yeah depending on what you find 22:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:23 that karnac death is pretty cool. he survived the lightnign strike because of the amulet, but raijin was not deterred 22:23 So yeah, would you give the "best" mask to her, or all of the good ones? 22:23 <@riker> if you find a small monster (cockatrice) may be worth it to put it on to protect vs polytraps, except you're an inc still? 22:23 plus you got juiblex standing there 22:23 <@riker> hm lemme check how she works real quick 22:23 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23 Ah yeah inc so 22:23 <@riker> also here's the stats for the monsters 22:23 I found their page 22:23 <@riker> hm is it updated? lemme check but yeah probably 22:24 <@riker> morwel is, faer isn't 22:24 <@riker> one of those magic spells deals rotted blood damage 22:24 Gwyn has 4 weapon attacks? 22:24 <@riker> nope 22:25 <@riker> 3 main and 3 offhand wep attacks 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:71140 22:25 And the "furious whirlwind" is that something they summon? 22:25 <@riker> gwyn with a well enchanted artifact weapon would be HELLA lethal but I'd say queen of stars only for right now 22:25 <@riker> no it's not 22:25 <@riker> have you fought any eladrin? 22:25 No! 22:25 I'm scared 22:25 <@riker> no normal ones 22:25 <@riker> like tulani and shiere and stuff 22:25 <@riker> you know the second phase thing at low hp? 22:25 <{Demo}2> I miss back when you could get gwyn 22:26 <@riker> if not - if they hit low (1/2 or 1/4?) hp they shift to that form 22:26 <@riker> if they heal up they revert back 22:26 <@riker> ah yea demo lol 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:46654 22:26 Ah yeah I've dealt with that 22:26 <@riker> yeah give her the queen of stars mask only 22:27 With queen she doesn't need a weapon right? 22:27 She does some implicit silver weapon attack 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:46689 22:27 <@riker> yep 22:27 <@riker> it's touch-based so i believe it bypasses AC 22:29 Just need a magic whistle now... 22:29 Don't think I've seen one all game 22:29 <@riker> law quest has a forced one, on the main-dungeon level 22:29 <@riker> in one of the three chambers in the middle - one has nothing, one has whistle, one has the portal 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] zoya (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3553534 points, T:71153, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zoya/nethack/dumplog/1569635132.nh.html 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1174812 points, T:46929, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1571183664.nh.html 22:32 <@riker> brave luxi - astral without conflict or free action 22:32 <@riker> not sure how important that is in 3.6.3 though 22:33 Ah awesome thanks 22:37 K2: touche 22:38 :P 22:38 well i was fixing my own mistkae 22:38 <@riker> bubbles - note that lillend is likely to be hella squishy in terms of hp, probably onlt around 50-60 hp 22:38 mistake 22:38 jdfhgdkfjgh 22:38 Lillend is unique? 22:38 hhhjhjhj ooops lava 22:38 hahah 22:39 <@riker> nah that's just a typo 22:39 <@riker> I meant "note that that lillend" / "note that your lillend" 22:40 !who 22:40 K2: [hdf-us] Bartlem [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] Grouchy [evil] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh363] 22:41 Ah ok, how big will she get if she doesn't die? 22:42 <@riker> lvl 30, not sure how much that is but I can check real quick 22:43 <@riker> lvl 30 will be 146 hp 22:43 So maybe ok 22:43 <@riker> yeah with enough armor that might be fine 22:43 Pinkbeast: You mean oops lav 22:43 lava 22:44 Just annoyingl slowa at the moment 22:44 Will she untame if I leave her for a bit 22:44 <@riker> define a bit 22:44 <@riker> rest of chaos quest? don't go any farther imo 22:45 <@riker> you can probably clear shelob's lair if you have a ranged wep + wearing the gauntlets of (spell) power + pois resistance? 22:45 <@riker> otherwise I'd say stop right here do not go into the tower region (you will die.) 22:45 I don't have pois res I don't think :x 22:45 <@riker> @d?angband orcs 22:45 No such monster. 22:45 I have the spell power gloves yeah 22:45 <@riker> 3 2d6 wep attack, but they're generated with poisoned weapons and hella good armor, they're fast speed and lvl 20 22:46 <@riker> you're gonna die if you try to fight them (source - have died trying to fight them), it ramps up quick 22:46 ok to the law quest I go 22:47 <@riker> do you have drain resistance? 22:47 <@riker> or at least, do you mind binding tenebrous for a while :p and possibly eurynome, amon (free action, cold res) 22:47 <@riker> axus is bad without drain and annoying without free action (since you'll have to use ranged attacks on the autons) 22:50 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51 I have drain res 22:51 Helm 22:51 Ugh I have lost the stupid pet 22:51 <@riker> oh it's shock not cold hm 22:51 <@riker> oh it's both 22:53 Seriously I can't find the little singer 22:53 <@riker> do you have any orcish daggers? 22:53 <@riker> can you name grimtooth? 22:53 Ah good point 22:54 <@riker> try to find a non cursed one :p 22:54 I drank a potion of detect monster but can't see her... 22:55 <@riker> different level? 22:55 <@riker> did she hit the portal out or in? 22:55 She definitely came through the portal with me 22:55 I'll check on the prev level though 22:55 Stupid pets 22:55 <@riker> did she step back on it lol 22:55 Andrio: You found the curses message window infinite loop bug! I noticed that when I was playnig a few nights ago... I mentioned it on #nethack-dev but didn't actually report it yet. 22:55 <@riker> also those ancient arrows are by design 22:55 <@riker> 20 cursed +4 morgul (1d4 don't let monsters hit you with these) metal arrows 22:57 Ah yeah she is here. 22:57 <@riker> and also there's a lesser unholy flaming long sword (which is quite good) if you haven't noticed it 22:57 I saw that, but not formally id 22:57 I assume it is like firebrand + unholy damage 22:57 <@riker> but a crystal sword could be more helpful than any of the rest, if you still have eden (2d12 vs 1d12 base dmg, flaming unholy lesser is 1d8 fire + 1d12) 22:57 Oh bugger she is peaceful but not tame 22:58 <@riker> did she untame? :. 22:58 <@riker> :/ 22:58 I found a monadic deva to be my friend but it's not the same 22:59 <@riker> might be worth killing the lillend to grab the masks back if you already gave them 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:48878 22:59 I assume that is going to be hella scary to do? 23:00 <@riker> that is a fair point 23:00 Will the deva use the unholy sword? 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3792 points, T:4903, killed by a gnome lord 23:02 <@riker> probably 23:02 <@riker> yeah wizmode testing - a lillend will indeed clap you if you use the mask, but that's a crapshoot whether it does or not 23:02 <@riker> if you make sure the deva is nearby / use pets to soak some damage you can probably kill her for the mask 23:02 <@riker> but it's probably easiest to just come back with taming 23:02 Hmm, she didn't like it, but she took a +4 two handed flaming sword 23:02 Yeah true 23:02 <@riker> (naberius?) 23:02 <@riker> ah yeah that will work great for her 23:02 <@riker> the deva i mean 23:03 I don't even have a stethoscope 23:03 <@riker> wow that's actually QUITE good 23:03 <@luxidream> !who 23:03 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] AgentOfAntinous [nh363] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] Andrio [nh363] 23:03 <@riker> since she only has main weps not offhand weps 23:03 Yeah 23:03 Does she grow up 23:03 <@riker> so that's double attack with a +4 flaming two-handed sword 23:03 <@riker> monadic deva? I'll check 23:04 <@riker> nope 23:04 No worries 23:04 <@riker> also, she can probably take the lillend easy I think 23:05 <@riker> wiztesting is an easy clap with a plain sword 23:05 You may as well re-tame the lillend? 23:06 If/when I can tame yeah! 23:06 <@riker> would echidna work chris? naberius should 23:06 Oh I should hugnin to learn the new spellbooks 23:06 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09 Looks like echidna will really well, based on the source at least. 23:09 Naberious allows a MR roll to resist, Echidna doesn't seem to. 23:09 <@riker> hey chris what happened to the eye of the oracle? 23:09 I don't remember Echidna being so good! 23:09 Nothing, probably? 23:10 Echidna only works on snakey and monsterous things though? 23:10 <@riker> I don't see it being dropped from a clairvoyant changed 23:10 (lke te lillend) 23:10 <@riker> lillends are snaky 23:10 <@riker> but yeah 23:10 <@riker> why are lillends A anyway? just chaotic extraplanar? 23:13 <@ChrisANG> It's a bit of an easter egg: 23:13 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633864968126857226/unknown.png 23:13 <@riker> I don't see it there though? aren't they supposed to have one made into it? 23:14 <@riker> or rather 2 but ey 23:14 <@riker> *eh 23:14 <@riker> also I believe the eye of the oracle should probably be made nocnt 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:49358 23:14 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633865432868323332/unknown.png 23:15 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/633865455060254750/unknown.png 23:15 <@riker> ah I see :p 23:15 <@ChrisANG> Dunno how useful they are. 23:16 <@riker> well if they count for artifact donation :p 23:16 <@riker> (as one each?) 23:16 Monadic deva, throwing knives since 1987 23:16 <@ChrisANG> Yeah, they would. Might be the best use for 'em XD 23:16 <@ChrisANG> The scrying effect is also OK, probably. But the MR angle not so much. 23:17 They really really don't like going next to portals. :-\ 23:17 <@ChrisANG> And, well, Chaotic Good extraplanar native to Arcadia. 23:18 <@ChrisANG> Are you a Binder? Bind Malphas and level up beast mastery. 23:18 <@ChrisANG> It increases the follow radius. 23:18 Weird, I thought I had, yeah will do 23:18 Though no free slots (as always!) 23:18 <@ChrisANG> Or wield your shepherds crook if you have it. 23:18 <@ChrisANG> (+1 to follow radius) 23:18 <@riker> half spell damage isn't bad though I guess chris 23:18 I did not know that! 23:19 oh hey is that the idea I put forward? 23:19 <@ChrisANG> I think so, yeah šŸ™‚ 23:20 also very crucial to leveling up your Vaudeville skill 23:20 And that's why dnh has dire sheep! 23:21 Chris_ANG: I tried using the crook on a lamb but it didn't work 23:21 A few games later I died to a dire sheep 23:21 I assume unrelated... 23:21 Heh, yeah. 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] AgentOfAntinous (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4684 points, T:2793, killed by a gnome lord 23:22 They are actually pretty versatile, since they can pull things to you and also smack things like a polearm. 23:22 I think they also lower spell failure rates on enchantment spells when wielded. 23:25 So what does the mantle of wrath do by the way? 23:26 Resist fire when carried, resist fire and acid and half spell damage while worn. 23:27 I think it also causes enemies to home in on you from anywhere on the level if carried but not worn. 23:27 <@riker> agg monster? 23:27 <@riker> ah 23:29 Ah, ok, it gives you aggravate monster while carried, but also blocks aggravate monster (from any source) while worn. 23:30 That's... odd. 23:38 Ah cool 23:38 Can't complain at fire/acid res 23:39 <@riker> hey chris, regarding the tame pet thing - would something like (rnd(150 + u.ulevel - (bm_skill)*10 - 20*(is_bard)) work for odds of getting a tame pet from sacrifice? 23:39 Hmm why do I have "Warned of shopkeepers"? 23:39 <@riker> well, !(that) (so 1/(150 + u.ulevel + ...)) 23:40 <@riker> grimtooth 23:41 gnite all 23:41 <@riker> night k2! 23:42 Ah, so really I should name all the artifacts with warning I can, since they don't count against the wish thing anymore? 23:43 <@riker> yep! 23:43 <@riker> I generally don't do slave to armok, claideamh (I save claid for oona's generally, since I occasionally give it to a pet / use it as a backup wep / use on astral) super early though 23:43 <@riker> they're both hella heavy 23:45 True fact 23:45 So I have my magic whistle, I guess next thing to do is maybe law quest, but I need to get some resistances first 23:45 <@luxidream> !who 23:45 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] bouquet [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] 23:45 I have a bunch of rings that I can id from shopkeepers 23:46 Does buying protection still work as normal? 23:46 <@riker> yep 23:47 Awesome, thanks for the help! Muchos appreciated, will continue tomorrow (later today) 23:49 <@riker> what time zone are you? 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14557 23:53 That looks fine re formula. 23:56 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought