00:02 <@Plisp> lmao 00:02 <@Plisp> pet OP 00:03 Mm 00:03 I've had one of my level 10 warhorses kill a Minetown priest 00:03 Alone. 00:05 <@Umby> tru 00:05 <@Umby> all try 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 227 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37791 00:10 killing the oracle sounds like a good idea 00:10 a way to keep your pet safe 00:18 why kill the oracle? 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 246 points, T:779, killed by a spear trap 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6091 00:29 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 !tell AntiVirus people kill the oracle because when pets attack him/her, they die from the retaliation. And the retaliation is very strong for the level 00:32 AntiVirus shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bug_sniper. 00:34 the Oracle is she/her by the way. 01:04 !who 01:04 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] plisp [nh363] 01:21 thanks andrio 01:21 nice patch idea: a way to use a shopkeeper's services to identify something before you buy it 01:21 Does SLASH'EM have that? 01:22 nope 01:25 <@Umby> Cloak of magic resistance from a dead priest 01:25 <@Umby> I honestly have no reason not to hit the mines at this point 01:26 @d?ice paraelemental 01:26 ice paraelemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 6d6 touch cold, 0d3 passive cold | Alignment: 0 | Flags: amphibious, breathless, mindless, thick hide, vegan 01:27 !lastgame bubbles 01:27 bug_sniper: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bubbles/dnethack/dumplog/1571029384.dnh.txt 01:27 <@Umby> He's been finding some ways to die 01:28 <@Umby> Including amateur hour horseshit such as absorbing too much energy and exploding 01:28 <@Umby> and now for everyone to parse that as an insult because no one will get that reference 01:29 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 01:29 !who 01:29 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] plisp [nh363] 01:29 <@Umby> Hm, trap door this time 01:29 <@Umby> so not really his fault 01:29 <@Umby> the scroll of mail was :GWmythiBlobLUL: though 01:31 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- vevais has quit [Client Quit] 01:33 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:39 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 02:01 <@Umby> Late update but my Tourist gal is now XL19 02:01 <@Umby> busy clearing out another throne room, got gifted stealth from sacrifice 02:28 <@Plisp> throne room? aren't you in Gehennom yet? 02:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:40 <@Umby> Nah 02:41 <@Umby> I want everything out of the way 02:41 <@Umby> I've also had studying for a permit to do and I'm not the type to just blitz that hard anyway 02:41 <@Umby> I do have Identify though, which is super nice 02:43 <@Umby> @Plisp Also you might not've been there but there was a fucking archlich that went after me the second I got to DL10 02:44 <@Umby> so I decided that branch could wait until I genocided them and did quest 02:44 <@Plisp> Oh are you bubbles? 02:44 <@Umby> nah 02:44 <@Umby> I'm a filthy vanilla player 02:44 <@Umby> and I was commenting on bubbles just earlier lol 02:44 <@Plisp> ah. you online rn? 02:44 <@Umby> quest turned out to be super profitable and I was busy revogenoing wraith and then decided to just keep pressing on 02:44 <@Umby> lol no, mobile only 02:45 <@Plisp> yikes 02:45 <@Umby> well not like 02:45 <@Umby> exclusively 02:45 <@Umby> but it's a long story 02:45 <@Plisp> get yourself a terminal dude 02:45 <@Umby> tl;dr Chromebook is a shit OS and I hate it, and I'd rather do configs on a laptop that's at least marginally more tolerable 02:46 <@Umby> Been enjoying the game for years on mobile alone tho :B 02:46 <@Umby> Imagine once I finally get a computer I like 02:50 <@Umby> but yeah, I'm trying to ID as much as I can and prep my kit before I get serious about pressing on 02:53 <@Umby> melee'd a minotaur, lived to tell the tale 02:53 <@Umby> come at me :B 02:54 <@Umby> tbf I had a glass golem backing me up on the otherside 02:54 <@Plisp> gl with the new computer 02:54 <@Plisp> what's your AC? 02:54 <@Umby> -12 02:54 <@Umby> super low, I know 02:54 <@Plisp> damn 02:54 <@Umby> jokes aside I do want some more enchant armor scrolls 02:55 <@Umby> I can write them when I like but I want them blessed more than anything 02:55 <@Plisp> have you gotten the castle wand yet? 02:55 <@Umby> naw 02:55 <@Umby> found one on the last floor of quest, used it up 02:55 <@Umby> there's a magic lamp I want a wish from too 02:56 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 02:56 <@Plisp> dang that's pretty lucky 02:56 <@Umby> I think there's also an artifact in the mines, I figured someone must've fucking died to have a godsdamned archlich in the mines 02:56 <@Umby> and my Grayswandir wish got noped 02:57 <@Umby> also have a nice ass stack of poisoned darts too 02:57 <@Umby> see earlier where I ezclapped MoT with 'em 02:58 <@Plisp> sorry what's MoT? I'm not too good with the lingo yet 😅 02:58 <@Umby> Master of Thieves 02:58 <@Umby> Quest nemesis 02:58 <@Umby> (spoiler) 02:58 <@Plisp> ah Tourist right 02:58 <@Umby> Yep 02:58 <@Umby> Poisoned darts >>>>> 02:58 but chromebooks have terminals? 02:59 <@Umby> they do 02:59 <@Umby> but chromebooks also suck shit for anything but casual use so 02:59 <@Plisp> POSIX terminals? 02:59 <@Plisp> oh TIL chromeos is a linux derivative 03:00 >Add restrictions on levelporting for various roles to help differentiate them. Chris_ANG 03:00 Chris_ANG: how does this differentiate roles? 03:00 @ChrisANG 03:00 <@Plisp> kek 03:00 <@Umby> It's a linux derivative that wants to be a Mac so bad 03:00 <@Umby> lol 03:01 <@Umby> except inexplicably stupid about sideloading programs 03:01 <@Umby> anyway, time to head to mines 03:01 i have one laying around but never used it much 03:01 <@Umby> as much as I enjoy fighting two straight minotaurs on DL22 03:01 <@Umby> I gotta prioritize 03:01 <@Umby> :B 03:02 <@Umby> hi jabberwock 03:02 <@Umby> imma tame you 03:02 <@Umby> (later) 03:02 <@Umby> for now, just gonna leave the room you're in alone 03:03 <@Plisp> lol remember when I killed the Oracle 03:03 <@Plisp> it was actually my pet 03:03 <@Plisp> polymorphed into a master mind flayer 03:03 <@Umby> nice™ 03:03 <@Umby> decided you couldn't stop him huh 03:05 <@Umby> or could you actually legit not stop theme 03:05 <@Umby> *them 03:05 <@Umby> related, just ate a tin of MMF earlier 03:05 <@Umby> gotta max out that big brain 03:06 >-, interactable by farlooking them while adjacent). Might be able to be haunted - can produce a ghost? Chris_ANG, aosdict 03:06 Huh? 03:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:12 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 03:33 <@FIQ> I found a phone browser with chrome addon support 03:33 <@FIQ> Meaning Deluminate on the go 03:33 <@FIQ> Good stuff 03:38 @FIQ firefox? 03:39 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:40 <@FIQ> Yandex 03:41 <@FIQ> I don't think android firefox has addon support 03:42 it does 03:42 <@FIQ> Chrome addon support? 03:42 Well 03:42 <@FIQ> Deluminate at least used to not exist for fx 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:30281 03:43 *desktop* firefox supports chrome addons (see chrome store foxified). Mobile firefox supports something which is not exactly the same as the desktop firefox plugin api 03:43 <@FIQ> And it's vastly superior to pretty much every other darkmode addon I've tried 03:43 so I'm not sure if you can use chrome addons in mobile firefox. But I wouldn't be surprised either way 03:44 also: I would not use chrome or yandex. Telemetric spyware. 03:46 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:52 <@Umby> F 03:52 <@Umby> also nice, first wand of death sighted 04:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31399 04:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31400 04:02 !who 04:02 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [nh363] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 04:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 464 points, T:1204, zombified by an orc zombie, while praying 04:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 521 points, T:1301, killed by a gnome zombie 04:18 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31722 04:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31728 04:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:31880 04:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:31967 04:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:31980 04:31 <@FIQ> K2: I did tell you a few days ago that sandestin was a vanilla monster 😛 04:32 <@FIQ> And I bet I wasn't the only one 04:32 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:37 damn - MF is *ucking me up this game 8^P 04:38 <@Umby> oopsie, got crowned 04:38 <@Umby> thought my luck was a bit lower lol 04:38 <@Umby> ah well, no biggie 04:38 <@Plisp> what does crowning do for you? 04:38 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 04:39 <@Umby> I can produce like an assload of sacrifices when needed 04:39 can't get out of the 40s 04:39 <@Plisp> that's rip 04:39 <@Plisp> you got any wishes left for opposite alignment? 04:40 <@Plisp> this is why I actually prefer xNetHack 04:40 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:43 ya (too many wishes this game), but I'll just power thru it this time... 04:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1592 points, T:1813, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while praying 04:44 <@Umby> Oh right, crowning got me Vorpal Blade too 04:44 <@Umby> if it isn't in the mines I'm definitely not getting Grayswandir now 04:44 <@Umby> :B 04:44 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:44 <@FIQ> I think patr's tweaks of my PR screws up walls and trees in curses DECgraphics 04:45 <@FIQ> But I'd need to try myself to verify 04:45 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:33697 04:52 <@Plisp> ayy 04:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's human zombie, the former Skirmisher, on T:857 04:52 <@Plisp> killing demon lords on the way up gang 04:52 le mayo 04:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's human zombie, the former Skirmisher, on T:908 04:54 <@Plisp> 🤔 04:55 <@FIQ> also I don't think pat's change properly initializes something 04:55 change? 04:55 <@FIQ> needs testing 04:55 what change? 04:55 new changes? 04:55 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:55 <@FIQ> PatR merged my DECgraphics curses fix but changed it somewhat 04:55 oh, decgraphics things 04:56 <@FIQ> I think the change introduces a bug 04:56 oh ok 04:56 ouch 04:56 <@FIQ> But I'd need to double check 04:56 <@FIQ> He doesn't initialize an array with zeroes 04:56 <@FIQ> My original PR did 04:56 oh that can have hilarious consequences in C 04:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:34032 04:57 <@FIQ> He initializes specific array indices 04:57 <@FIQ> But he does it per-index 04:58 <@FIQ> Not C99-style like I did 04:58 <@FIQ> Which I believe leaves the rest of them uninitialized 04:59 man people complaining about javascript and stuff but you are in trouble when you don't assign values to integers 04:59 <@FIQ> Allthough he also made the arrays into static globals 04:59 o_O?" 05:00 <@FIQ> maybe that initializes them to zero automatically 05:00 you wish 05:00 oh actually that could be 05:00 <@FIQ> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/027ce7c8b9c04f2ad64632a107536cd173dfb07f 05:00 <@FIQ> His commit 05:00 yeah i saw it 05:01 <@FIQ> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/230/files 05:01 <@FIQ> My changes 05:01 <@FIQ> For comparision 05:01 > it doesn't require C99 05:01 so what does that require now, C89? 05:01 first ANSII? 05:02 ANSI* lol 05:02 <@FIQ> Dunno 05:02 <@Plisp> static variables are zero initialized 05:02 gotcha, @plisp 05:02 <@FIQ> @Plisp thanks, yeah I wasn't sure 05:02 <@FIQ> But then his changes are good, functionality-wise 05:03 <@FIQ> Not a big fan of introduction of more globals though 05:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:1504 05:05 that can't be a good thing, yeah 05:05 i have to get the tiles txt files for TNNT so i can compile them for nodehack 05:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a scale mail entrusted to her by Odin, on T:1844 05:12 FIQ: where do you zero-initialize the arrays in your commit? 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:34595 05:14 <@Plisp> when using C99 initialization elements without an initializer are initialized implicitly 05:15 ah 05:15 what are 'initialization elements' here? 05:15 does that only relate to arrays? 05:15 values inside {} brackets 05:16 oh, thats the array literal 05:16 gotcha 05:16 <@Plisp> oh sorry 05:16 so int array[5] = { 0 }; gives a fully zeroed array 05:16 <@Plisp> associativity is c99 initialization, elements without 05:17 strange 05:17 i misread his commit because he also indexes where he puts his values 05:17 in my opinion much cleaner than the static array 05:18 is there not such thing as hashmaps in C 05:18 or something similar 05:18 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:18 youre not in kansas anymore 05:18 <@Plisp> https://www.gnu.org/software/gperf/ 05:19 :D 05:19 <@Plisp> but it's C 😅 05:19 <@Plisp> so you can just use an array 05:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:34785 05:19 though youd wonder why you want the hashmap 05:20 less global constants? 05:20 also better to maintain 05:20 well but i don't know anything about the current C meta 05:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:3148 05:20 i am looking at it in a very naive way :P 05:21 <@FIQ> alex__: Yep, and in fact plenty of my code uses {0} when applicable 05:21 <@FIQ> "current C meta" 05:22 <@FIQ> Sounds like you're talking about a game 05:22 'current consensus on best practises and pattern/antipattern' 05:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3374 points, T:3227, killed by a dwarf king 05:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:22 <@Plisp> oof 05:22 <@Plisp> is evilhack that evil 05:22 evilhack claims to be very hard 05:22 and some players say that its the hardest variant 05:23 <@FIQ> No 05:23 <@FIQ> slex is harder 05:23 why do the tnnt weaklings not publish their source code 05:24 well 'hard' 05:24 there is a difference between being hard and being unfair 05:24 <@FIQ> I suppose 05:24 i can develop a variant where you start the upstairs surrounded by mindflayers 05:24 i am sure its a very difficult variant 05:24 <@FIQ> I think spork might be harder 05:24 a variant where you are permanently stunned and every level is a swamp 05:24 <@FIQ> Evil has some of grunt's player buffs 05:25 <@FIQ> Spork doesn't give players much in terms of buffs 05:26 <@Plisp> lol a variant where the mysterious force does its thing from the start of the game 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:34979 05:26 <@Plisp> wait when did he enter the planes 05:26 <@Plisp> ah 05:26 <@FIQ> in 1.3d, the ammyrun in Gehennon consists of you spamming < 05:27 <@FIQ> 3.1 iirc was when the force was implemented 05:27 <@FIQ> Used to be even worse for lawfuls 05:28 <@FIQ> 0 for chaotic, 0-2 for neutral (same as now), 0-4 for lawful 05:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:35037 05:28 didn't ais do some analysis about this 05:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:35056 05:29 <@FIQ> Yeah the percentages was wrong 05:29 that the force was even less worse than it was supposed to be due to a bug or so 05:29 forgot the details 05:29 <@FIQ> But the actual possibilities was correct 05:29 <@Plisp> tbh the force is a really sadistic addition 05:29 <@FIQ> Yeah 05:29 @Plisp it is, i hate it with a burning passion 05:29 <@Plisp> it really isn't necessary 05:29 <@FIQ> I think DT thankfully left it as-in 05:29 i think its just poor and lazy game design 05:30 <@FIQ> Wouldn't have put it past them to fix the bug 05:30 (as documented by my countless rants and tantrums) 05:30 <@Plisp> It made my first ascension run much more stressful than it would have been otherwise 05:30 haha 05:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2199130 points, T:35077, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1570866624.nh.html 05:30 grats eraserhead97 05:30 <@Plisp> nice 05:31 <@FIQ> IIRC chaotic was unaffected but neutrals and lawfuls was hit less thanintended 05:31 thx - crazy # of wishes this game - 2 wands, 2 magic lamps, one wish granted on throne 05:31 <@Plisp> damn 05:31 nice nice 05:31 <@FIQ> gz eraserhead97 05:31 ty ^^ 05:31 <@Plisp> the thing is liches (and mind flayers too) have an annoyingly high spawn rate in the endgame 05:32 ya - just geno them 05:32 <@Plisp> true 05:49 <@Umby> so, turns out you can dupe unihorns 05:49 <@Umby> kill one, allow a pet to pick it up if it can, then undead turning and kill it again 05:49 You can, but those don't polypile into magical tools. 05:50 <@Umby> I know, don't plan to do that 05:50 Mm 05:50 <@Umby> already got too many unihorns as is 05:50 <@Umby> meaning I'd LOVE to polypile 05:50 <@Umby> but wand of polymorph where 05:55 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56 <@Umby> horn actually turned to dust this time 05:57 <@Umby> guess each horn has an ID or something and the game checks if I specifically have it? 05:59 yes, and no 06:02 all objects have an id. unicorn horns are "degraded" is gotten from revived unicorn. degraded unihorns act as non-magic objects for polumorph. 06:02 if gotten ... 06:04 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04 oh, is that new? 06:04 good change 06:05 commit e91ff47ff0 06:07 oh thats old lol 06:16 <@FIQ> What about dragon scales? 06:17 <@FIQ> From revived Ds I mean 06:17 do they count as magic normally in vanilla? 06:21 They just have a very low chance of dropping. 06:40 <@FIQ> Yes they do 06:43 dragon scales aren't magical, only dragon scale mail is 07:04 A cloud of gas puts you to sleep! You dream that you hear bubbling water. You wake up. (the sleeping gas trap is next to a fountain so duh) 07:04 when i dream about bubbling water i have to go to the toilet 07:10 congrats eraserhead! 07:11 (belatedly, reading backscroll) 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4699 07:30 FIQ: Unfortunately, the first part of that idea is lost to me. 07:31 -!- Capzlam has joined #hardfought 07:33 HI 07:33 Hello Capzlam, Welcome to #hardfought 07:35 -!- Capzlam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37 or not 07:42 aosdict: clarify please? 07:42 i.e. context 07:43 ok so I sent a mail to DT about a trivial proposed cursesgraphics fix 07:43 I'll wait a week for approval/rejection/commit and if nothing happens, just make a new patch myself that fixes it and send an additional report about it 07:43 have you confirmed the bug? 07:43 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Cursesgraphics_as_a_proper_symbol_set 07:44 it's not a bug per se 07:44 oh ok 07:44 but a current hacky solution 07:44 remaining from the original curses author several years ago 07:44 for a curses-specific graphics mode 07:45 basically 07:45 PatR noted that the need to recompile to change the cursesgraphics symset was a bit silly 07:45 so I suggested just making it a proper symset using DECgraphics as base (kinda like how IBMgraphics have 3 variations) 07:46 now that curses supports DECgraphics fully 07:47 FIQ: maybe you did (sandestin) 07:48 K2: you should merge the last 3.6 changes 07:48 FIQ: the idea in the archive that started with , 07:48 so I can have fancy DECgraphics working in curses 07:48 ok 07:49 aosdict: ah, that one 07:49 the one that made no sense 07:49 K2: thanks! 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9402 07:54 <@K2> Ogomt got your email, thanks! I'll have a look and merge soon 07:55 <@K2> @Ogomt rather 07:56 who is this strange green K2 07:56 dunno 07:56 K2 from mars 07:56 Wasn't K2 always green? 07:56 <@K2> onoes mars 07:57 <@K2> ahhh run 07:57 FIQ: you got a reply from Pat? by mail? 07:57 no, that'd be way too much to ask for 07:57 I never get DT replies 07:57 well, almost never, it does happen 07:58 how did he note then? git commit? 07:58 yes 07:58 so strange 07:58 i always got a reply to my bugs 07:58 from patr even, per mail 07:59 i do sometimes 07:59 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/027ce7c8b9c04f2ad64632a107536cd173dfb07f#diff-2cee67dee4201317629a34c618ca845eR486 07:59 stennowork: I almost never do 07:59 clear favoritism going on here 07:59 maybe because I maintain a variant 07:59 there's rumors that pat doesn't like those 07:59 i think you are sending much more bug requests 07:59 with more difficult problems 08:00 yes 08:00 FIQ, were you around during 3.4.3 times? 08:01 I started playing NetHack on a regular basis around 2013 08:01 I started doing NetHack dev stuff around 2015 08:01 hmm ok 08:01 from what I can discern, pat when confronted with a problem and a tip that a variant solves it will look around and see how variants have addressed the problem, and then do something completely different 08:01 by the time I started, NitroHack was very much dead 08:01 3.4.3 times were hilarious especially considering communication of devteam 08:01 but NetHack4 wasn't quite dead yet 08:01 <@Ogomt> K2: happy to help. hopefully this is the end of burnt partly eaten newt corpses 08:01 activity-wise 08:01 you may not believe it but nowadays its much much more better 08:01 *dev activity-wise 08:02 one almost thinks pat sees taking a variant feature as stealing code or something else illegal 08:02