00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 bruh 00:01 try and kill me with a wand of lighting will you? 00:01 I'm a freaking giant 00:02 <@Umby> Iunno, exploded inventories have killed bigger people 00:02 <@Umby> :B 00:02 rng is on my side 00:03 you're a priest and you didn't start with a ro- ahh giant, right. 00:03 yeah that's a challenge.. same with monk gia 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Pri Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3803 00:04 try monk giant when you die in a minute. you kill everything 00:04 No I won't be dying 00:05 j/k 00:05 hope you ascend, man. 00:05 <@Umby> Oh looksie 00:05 <@Umby> another fl2 weapon shop 00:05 <@Umby> with a silver dagger even 00:05 you need to now... that would be quite the selfing for me 00:05 <@Umby> I continue to be rewarded for my incompetence 00:05 <@Umby> :keizaNeat: 00:06 do you play priests a lot in vanilla jonathanhanes? 00:06 no I don't like playing priests at all 00:06 why did you pick priest? 00:06 because there was no tourist giant 00:07 lol 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Tone (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:40335 00:07 and the other options were barb, cave, and valk I believe 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Tone (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40341 00:07 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 00:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 00:08 priests are not bad 00:08 but they can't use anything 00:08 but the giant aspect seems to be helping in that regard 00:10 but I have a plan 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 2240 points, T:3941, zombified by a kobold zombie 00:11 that was part of the plan 00:11 <@magicbymcluxey> qdb 00:13 <@Umby> and dead again because I couldn't hit the broadside of a temple when it mattered 00:14 priests can use an artifact weapon eventually... you could wish for grayswandir even though you're neutral and enchant it 00:14 (if you wanted... just sayin ) 00:14 but yeah that mace is pretty weak at the beginning of the game lol 00:15 oh actually in evilhack 00:15 i don't think priests can use any blades 00:15 like you wouldn't be able to hit with a sword at all 00:15 (was thinking vanilla... used to always play priests in 3.43 ) 00:16 priests and bladed weapons dont mix in evilhack 00:16 stick to blunt weapons 00:16 <@Umby> They don't mix in vanilla either 00:16 <@Umby> but that's fine because aklys is OP 00:16 they *really* dont mix in evilhack 00:16 <@Umby> Is aklys still OP? 00:16 i didnt mess with that weapon 00:17 <@Umby> Then there you go 00:17 <@Umby> :keizaNeat: 00:18 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monster), on T:255 00:20 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 535 points, T:1258, killed by a giant mosquito 00:22 -!- Xaleth has quit [Client Quit] 00:26 <@Umby> ...that's 00:26 <@Umby> oddly poetic 00:26 <@Umby> in its precise absurdity 00:27 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 00:27 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [evil] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:29 in vanilla, a priest can be gifted frost brand or magicbane etc. and be fine 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 660 points, T:1181, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 00:32 also super easy for a priest to get to lvl 30+ because you can summon wraiths just inside the quest portal so magic missile is powerful 00:32 <@Umby> Even/especially considering it's restricted for vanilla priests 00:32 you can get like 1000PW and 800hp if you keep leveling up. and priest quest also has a ton of loot 00:33 <@Umby> and I know dude, I main priests lol 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 57 points, T:262, killed by a jackal 00:33 <@Umby> I wasn't counting Brands because gifting unrestricts that skill 00:33 <@Umby> and I was focusing on base proficiencies 00:33 yeah. i used to play priests exclusively. now i always play monk 00:36 [hdf-us] [evil] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 192 points, T:348, killed by a spear trap 00:36 ok that's enough of that 00:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:38 <@Umby> RIP 00:40 umby you the one who is playing on phone 00:40 someone was saying that earlier 00:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:42 <@Umby> That's me, yes 00:42 <@Umby> Why do ya ask 00:43 just making conversation 00:43 <@Umby> that's fine lol 00:44 <@Umby> I'm just sacrificing tourists to the RNG gods atm 00:44 <@Umby> Trying to not play like absolute garbage for a change 00:44 you don't play on hdf or nao? 00:45 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 00:45 ^ latest devteam commits 00:45 phone seems like it would be frustrating for me 00:53 howdy 00:53 <@Umby> I don't 00:54 <@Umby> for the reasons previously explained 00:54 <@Umby> shit laptop for movement, planning to replace it so no point learning a new control scheme 00:54 <@Umby> shit laptop period 00:54 <@Umby> hi @bouquet 00:55 <@Umby> also, imagine not getting an HP boost from prayer at 1/10 HP 00:55 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55 <@Umby> because you didn't get healed to begin with 00:57 <@Umby> hi polymorph wand 00:58 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 00:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 01:01 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:02 <@Umby> scuffed Elbereth on a floor I haven't visited 01:02 <@Umby> that bodes poorly 01:02 <@Umby> joy of joys, polymorph wand was found cursed 01:03 <@Umby> WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO LOW HP HEALS 01:03 <@Umby> Prayer is fucking garbage 01:04 <@Umby> a max HP boost or two is all I ask 01:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize tool, on T:17967 01:05 <@Umby> 2 gray stones in a chest 01:05 <@Umby> already ID'd touchstone, p. sure those are Flint 01:05 <@Umby> I think someone died here 01:06 <@Umby> or... this floor is just odd ig 01:07 <@Umby> idiot dog just nearly iced me by attacking a gas spore 01:07 -!- Chris__ has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__] by ChanServ 01:10 <@magicbymcluxey> umby: I play nethack on this 01:10 <@magicbymcluxey> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-i3-8130U-Memory-E5-576-392H/dp/B079TGL2BZ/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=acer+aspire+e15&qid=1570856891&s=electronics&sr=1-4 01:10 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11 <@Umby> It has a numpad so it's instantly less ass-garbage in comparison 01:11 <@Umby> I won't rehash my hangups about Windows 10 and the absolute state of modern "mainstream" OS implementations 01:11 <@Umby> but just know they exist 01:11 <@magicbymcluxey> šŸ¤· it works for school 01:12 <@Umby> I'm not saying you have a shit computer 01:12 <@Umby> I'm sure it's perfectly serviceable and infinitely less obstructive than the average Chromebook 01:12 <@Umby> but I'm also an aspiring techie so I have Opinions on things like this 01:13 <@magicbymcluxey> I've never used a chromebook so I have no idea how garbage they are 01:13 <@Umby> if you're a power user of any kind you'll fucking hate them 01:13 what the heck 01:13 <@Umby> you need developer mode to sideload anything outside of the Google app store 01:13 I just killed the dragons by the castle storerooms, and I got dragon scales off one, but there are no corpses 01:13 <@Umby> and said methods require you to open the fucking computer iirc 01:13 <@magicbymcluxey> yeah I like having rights to my own machine thanks 01:14 instead I've got an elf corpse and a troll corpse on each side 01:14 <@Umby> The dragons were all sandestins 01:14 <@Umby> obviously 01:14 <@Umby> :B 01:15 <@Umby> Windows may include updates that might be terminally hostile to you, your drivers and your right to at least stop what you're doing and save before it forcibly restarts 01:15 sorry, wait, a troll and elf corpse on one side, dwarf lord and green-elf on the other 01:15 <@Umby> but at least you can install/uninstall freely 01:15 <@Umby> wait, I said I wouldn't rehash that spiel 01:17 <@Umby> I don't judge people at all for using a given OS but modern Windows does so much stuff that's principally hard for someone like me to tolerate 01:18 <@Umby> and I started using computers heavy around XP/Vista 01:21 <@magicbymcluxey> Hey oh6 01:21 <@magicbymcluxey> you're on to something 01:21 <@magicbymcluxey> I started a new game 01:21 <@magicbymcluxey> and I'm killing things and getting the wrong corpses 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:22 <@Umby> oh no 01:22 <@Umby> oh fuck oh god 01:22 <@Umby> I think mistakes were made 01:22 <@magicbymcluxey> I killed a kobold, got a fox corpse, 01:22 <@magicbymcluxey> just killed a jackal for a nice sewer rat corpse 01:23 <@Umby> might wanna warn everyone to pause their progress 01:23 magicbymcluxey: is this a local build or are you playing on hf.org? 01:23 <@Umby> @K2 pls tell me you're here 01:23 <@Umby> we have a problem 01:23 <@magicbymcluxey> I am luxidream 01:23 <@magicbymcluxey> I am on hardfought right now 01:23 <@magicbymcluxey> all the corpses are broken 01:24 ah, you kids and your fake names! 01:24 <@magicbymcluxey> K22222222222222 01:24 lol yes, I just got a lichen corpse from a fox 01:24 <@magicbymcluxey> it's not even the same corpse every time 01:24 is this with the new release that just dropped? 01:24 <@Umby> send help 01:24 <@magicbymcluxey> I got a little dog corpse and a fox from two gnomes 01:24 it's hilarious 01:24 <@magicbymcluxey> yeah 01:25 heh, just in time for tnnt 01:25 I'm sure K2 didn't have anything else planned for the weekend :) 01:25 <@magicbymcluxey> floating eye corpse from a gnome šŸ‘Œ 01:25 <@magicbymcluxey> OK I'll stop breaking the game now 01:26 whats going on? 01:26 Umby broke hf 01:26 I 01:26 <@magicbymcluxey> K2: the devteam broke corpses 01:27 hah 01:27 <@magicbymcluxey> you get a random corpse when you kill anything 01:27 I'm absolutely sure today isn't the first of April 01:27 <@magicbymcluxey> it's about the same difficulty 01:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:29 hmm yup 01:29 <@magicbymcluxey> it's probably this 01:29 <@magicbymcluxey> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/ad302fb8a99a5795c4d206870ea6573349b2d92a 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] k2 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 43 points, T:253, killed by a falling object 01:30 <@magicbymcluxey> it's not immediately obvious to me what the problem is though 01:30 <@Tone> looks like hdf last updated 363 on 10/7 so it's something between then and now 01:31 <@Umby> didn't it get updated just a while ago? 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:19419 01:32 very recently 01:32 new game seeing same behavior 01:33 but not every corpse 01:33 this might be hall of fame worthy 01:33 may be this commit here - https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/ad302fb8a99a5795c4d206870ea6573349b2d92a 01:33 yes, that's what luxi said 01:34 <@magicbymcluxey> intuitively 01:34 well i ignore luxi on purpose because hax 01:34 <@magicbymcluxey> it might be the statue code somehow creating corpses? 01:34 :P 01:34 <@Tone> Yeah there's a lot of stuff in there that involves corpses 01:34 I wish one of these jackals would leave a floating eye corpse, I've killed three floating eyes and none of them has left anything useful 01:34 <@magicbymcluxey> because all the "random" corpses are normal things that would spawn at that level 01:34 well, one lichen 01:36 Something is engraved here on the headstone. It reads: "Complain to one who can help you". 01:36 <@magicbymcluxey> how am I haxxing 01:36 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36 <@magicbymcluxey> I'm not the one who broke nethack 01:37 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:37 <@Umby> I think that's just a funny topical message more than anything 01:37 gimmie a few min 01:37 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 01:37 rebatela YOHB? 01:37 wow, this orc zombie left an orc corpse 01:38 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38 rebatela, quick monk question for you - Hawaiian T-Shirt 01:39 I found a very good one made of dragonhide, and it seems like it is not affecting my accuracy. Do these count as body armor? 01:40 <@Tone> How much AC does a dragonhide hawaiian shirt give? 01:40 <@Umby> I think shirts are fine 01:40 TONS 01:40 seems to be 10 points at +1 01:40 I'd think a shirt is a shirt, not body armor 01:40 from AC 3 down to AC -6 01:41 beautiful 01:42 i reverted that one commit 01:42 testing 01:44 <@magicbymcluxey> I can't decide if this makes the game harder or easier šŸ¤” 01:45 so far so good 01:45 yeah shirts must be fine 01:46 <@magicbymcluxey> everything is fine now 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 709 points, T:1643, killed by a housecat 01:46 <@magicbymcluxey> šŸ‘ 01:47 slightly harder I'd say because you can't kill specific monsters to get intrinsics 01:47 <@magicbymcluxey> oh right, you'll never get a dragon corpse 01:48 ok yeah 01:48 lemme get this onto the other 2 01:48 well, you might, but probably not from that particular dragon 01:48 <@Umby> ^ 01:48 also all the floating eyes I killed left lichen and jackal corpses (and none of the lichens and jackals a floating eye corpse) 01:48 <@magicbymcluxey> well, dragons are pretty high difficulty 01:49 <@magicbymcluxey> it's hard to get get to the point where dragons start generating normally 01:49 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 01:50 addressed weird corpse bug 01:50 ^ 01:52 <@magicbymcluxey> thanks K2 01:52 yay, this floating eye left a floating eye corpse 01:52 <@magicbymcluxey> and this is why you playtest your variant 01:52 sending bug report to devteam 01:52 <@magicbymcluxey> uhh, vanilla 01:52 <@magicbymcluxey> xD 01:52 well in their defense, not all corpses appeared to be affected 01:53 <@magicbymcluxey> yeah that's true 01:53 <@magicbymcluxey> but you know none of them play their own game 01:55 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:55 even that was consistent I think, zombies left their own kind 01:58 luxi thats not true either ;) 01:58 bug report sent 01:58 help me remember #H9298 02:00 ok bedtime for me. glad I was still up when you all mentioned it 02:02 gnite 02:02 rld: Yes, z-scoring applies to clan game stoo. 02:02 Mandevil, rld is the irc-discord bridge bot 02:03 its the names after it 02:05 Ooops. 02:06 @magicbymcluxey Yes, z-scoring applies to clan game stoo. 02:09 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3834 02:11 Your sacrifice is consumed in a cloud of smoke! 02:11 eeep 02:12 well, that's it, I'm out. Angelic beings are a sign that the party is over 02:13 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:13 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 02:16 <@Umby> I'm taking it they're hostile and a sign that you're turbodead? 02:16 I read a scroll of teleport 02:16 and I'm outa there 02:16 <@Umby> good 02:17 <@Umby> meanwhile I tamed a kitten to test my polymorph wand on 02:17 <@Umby> it is now a jabberwock 02:17 but yeah in EH converting an altar has a chance of that happening 02:17 aparently 02:17 <@Umby> because it's evilhack 02:17 noice! 02:17 killer pet 02:17 <@Umby> but it's thematically appropriate 02:17 <@Umby> unlike slex evilhack needs a reason to possibly ram a 10-foot pole up your ass 02:17 yeah it makes sense for EH 02:18 I always wondered why the other god was ok with you converting their altar 02:18 <@Umby> They're kinda not 02:18 well that's clear in EH 02:18 <@Umby> but unless it's like a temple they won't necessarily tilt at you about it 02:18 yeah 02:18 <@Umby> I was expecting some shit to happen when I sacrificed a neutral priest on their altar with one of my current Rogues 02:18 I wanna say that the chance of this happening is higher the deeper in the dungeon you are 02:19 <@Umby> nope, text signifying instant conversion and nothing else 02:19 <@Umby> probs 02:19 I'll have to ask K2 some other time, I've had plenty of uneventful altar conversions so far 02:19 <@Umby> good luck with the rest of the dungeon 02:19 oh what race were you both, that's probably all that matters 02:19 thx 02:19 <@Umby> I'll head to the mines now, this jabberwock should help me ez clap it 02:19 <@Umby> human ofc 02:19 easily 02:20 ah 02:20 <@Umby> wouldn't be notable otherwise 02:20 both of you? 02:20 <@Umby> yeah 02:20 <@Umby> there's a reaon I mentioned it 02:20 <@Umby> :B 02:20 it should have summoned a demon 02:20 <@Umby> same-race sacrifice yo 02:20 <@Umby> and of a priest on their own altar no les 02:20 <@Umby> less* 02:20 yeah great for alignment 02:20 I've been crowned before doing htat 02:20 *that 02:20 but it was probably luck 02:21 <@Umby> def. probably luck 02:21 it's just cool for RP when that happens 02:21 <@Umby> sure is 02:22 <@Umby> the way things stand for my tourist rn, the hardest things'll be getting poison resistance safely 02:22 <@Umby> and getting to tripe before my pets nom it 02:22 <@Umby> also item pickups 02:23 <@Umby> ooh, DMC 02:24 DMC? 02:24 <@Umby> mithril coats 02:24 ah 02:24 good stuff 02:24 <@Umby> gotta keep the AC up 02:26 yep priority 1 02:26 <@Umby> 0 AC 02:27 <@Umby> I am now adequate 02:27 <@Umby> time to find a bag 02:28 yeah I haven't had any such luck with that, but I did get a -11 AC 02:28 which is epic for an early game Monk 02:28 <@Umby> heard a scroll being read 02:28 <@Umby> turned out to be create monster 02:29 <@Umby> I am luckily not threatened by a sole green mold 02:29 OOOOh 02:29 I have a scroll of taming 02:29 can I make that angel thing my pet? 02:30 <@Umby> I mean in vanilla it'd depend on a fair bit 02:30 <@Umby> but in evilhack iono mang 02:31 <@Umby> oh great, fell through a trap door into a bones pile with elves 02:31 hmm 02:31 fight em off, could be a big break 02:31 <@Umby> nope, fucking dead 02:31 shiit 02:31 really? 02:31 <@Umby> got pincered, the large cat they left behind got murdered instantly 02:32 RIP 02:32 <@Umby> one of the few things that could kill me 02:32 <@Umby> and it happens 02:32 <@Umby> separated from bet, left with no chance 02:32 ya that's nethack 02:32 not unless you had tripe no 02:32 but it sounds like you didn't even have turns to react 02:32 <@Umby> I tamed the cat 02:32 oh ok 02:32 <@Umby> like I said, it fucking died 02:32 ah 02:32 <@Umby> I had turns 02:33 sometimes there's just no chance 02:33 <@Umby> but I got trap doored, no idea where to fucking go, and couldn't dodge around the elves fast enough 02:33 <@Umby> even with the camera applied 02:33 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:33 <@Umby> like I'm mad on principle because dying to a trap door 02:34 <@Umby> but a fourth floor bones file, like what the shit 02:34 <@Umby> starting again, found a cloak of protection now 02:34 <@Umby> slightly less mad 02:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:37 nice 02:37 that's a good way to start 02:37 <@Umby> for the record, I've gotten as far as amulet with a few characters 02:38 <@Umby> one of my best ones got Demogorgon'd and I had to just quit because it got to a point where I was irreversibly fucked 02:38 <@Umby> I'm just having trouble getting out the gate lately 02:39 oh nice 02:39 <@Umby> even in scenarios where I don't play like a moron 02:39 <@Umby> I just get shit on 02:39 I just recently had my first ascension in Vanilla 02:39 with a Wizard. my one and only 02:39 <@Umby> do tell o: 02:39 and then I switched to EH just for increased dificulty 02:39 well it was just an awesome game 02:40 early spellbook of identify 02:40 <@Umby> I'd probably wait until a FEW ascensions before going to harder variants 02:40 and an early newt with a wand of wishing and a couple of magic lamps 02:40 <@Umby> cheater 02:40 <@Umby> :B 02:40 so that really opened things up 02:40 I had a -40 AC by the mines lol 02:41 and I found a Graswandir in a bones file in the Valley of The Dead 02:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41 and eventually got finger of death so yeah basically I was an unstopable superhero and I charged through the game 02:41 I did however have a scare at on point involving a polytrap 02:41 I unequipped my cloak of MR in favor of protection 02:42 and relied on magic resistance from Magic Bane 02:42 but that was a BAD IDEA in the mazes 02:42 I got caught out by a poly trap weilding a pickaxe 02:43 oh and I had the master key of thievery so I took half damage 02:43 that really helps a wizard 02:43 <@Plisp> oh shit 02:43 <@Plisp> wrong amulet 02:43 it was badass 02:44 oh crap 02:44 <@Umby> YOU BLEW IT 02:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:45 <@Plisp> sigh 02:45 <@Plisp> I wasn't meant to be playing xNethack anyways I guess 02:45 <@Umby> for real though, that seemed like a promising run 02:45 hmm come to think of it, I should get the ttyrec of that game, it was so exceptional 02:45 <@Umby> forgot to ID amulet I take it? 02:45 <@Plisp> lmao I had two amulets of life saving 02:45 <@Plisp> but I had the ammy equipped for portal detection 02:45 <@Umby> F 02:45 oh 02:45 yeah those tradeoffs 02:46 reflection...or lifesaving....reflection...or lifesaving 02:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:46 on that wizard who ascended I opted to wear a shield of reflection and did not dare take off that life saving, except on the plane of water 02:47 <@Umby> casting with a shield on 02:47 <@Umby> you daredevil 02:47 eventually you get good enough 02:47 <@Umby> @Plisp can you pull up your last game? 02:47 <@Umby> I forget the command 02:47 I was so high level with attack spells, the shield didn't matter 02:48 <@Umby> it's an unfortunate death by any metric but I get morbidly curious when trying to figure out exactly how someone bit it 02:48 <@Plisp> oh lol 02:48 <@Plisp> I was playing way to careless 02:48 <@Plisp> I was playing samurai like valkyrie 02:48 <@Umby> less "trying to analyze play" and more "picturing those last few moments" 02:48 <@Umby> oh 02:49 <@Umby> I'm guessing you didn't use ranged weapons and let the Angel come too close? 02:50 <@Plisp> nah I got screwed over by Death while I thought I was wearing lifesaving 02:51 <@Plisp> should've used enchant weapon tbh 02:51 <@Umby> RIP 02:51 <@Umby> seriously though, I forgot the command for pulling up someone's most recent game 02:51 <@Umby> even if it doesn't work from Discord's end 02:51 !last 02:51 lol 02:51 nope 02:52 <@Umby> !help and see what the bot gives maybe? 02:52 @Umby: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 02:52 <@Plisp> !lastgame plisp 02:52 @Plisp: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/xnethack/dumplog/1570442600.xnh.html 02:52 <@Umby> othx 02:52 !who 02:52 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] Nobbs [nh343] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:53 <@Plisp> kinda trash gameplay tbh don't look 02:53 <@Umby> oh, you got cornered looks like and couldn't cut through in time? 02:53 <@Umby> pls, you can't be that trash 02:53 <@Umby> and it happens to the best and worst of us 02:53 dying on astral is painful I feel for ya 02:54 !asc AntiVirus 02:54 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] AntiVirus has ascended 1 times in 210 games (0.48%): nh363:1 (3.12%) 02:55 !asc Adeon 02:55 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] Adeon has not ascended in 1 games. 02:55 huh 02:55 !asc rebatela 02:55 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] rebatela has ascended 32 times in 8432 games (0.38%): nh363:31 (0.40%), nh343:1 (1.09%) | [hdf-eu] rebatela has not ascended in 88 games. | [hdf-au] rebatela has not ascended in 1 games. 02:58 !role evil 02:58 AntiVirus: rogue 02:58 <@Umby> early wand of teleportation 02:58 how fun 02:58 <@Umby> only one charge used since it was on a manes 02:58 alright well good night, I'm off to get some sleep 02:58 <@Umby> night yo 02:58 night 02:58 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03 <@Umby> @Plisp so how long you been playing for? 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5000 03:17 <@Plisp> I played a few games last year but only seriously started playing the game around this August 03:18 <@Plisp> vanilla nethack is pretty annoying tbh 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:49673 03:22 <@Umby> annoying in what sense? 03:22 <@Umby> @Plisp#1035 03:22 <@Umby> @Plisp 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:49896 03:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6968 03:35 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 14594 points, T:11825, killed by a death ray 03:49 <@Umby> Dang, eraserhead 03:49 <@Umby> bad luck with a wand of death spawn? 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:40 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:00 <@Umby> and best run of the night dies to cocktrice stoning me 05:00 <@Umby> that's a mood killer 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:13444 05:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 21495 points, T:13730, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 05:14 <@Umby> ...at least it wasn't just me 05:15 <@Umby> though mine was live and I got double two-turned just trying to take one step away 05:15 <@Umby> retrospect says not the play but what are the odds on that 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5399 05:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:33 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 07:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:15 ooh that's a nice unique death, "squished under a boulder" 07:15 I was digging a pit and a monster tripped a rolling boulder trap 07:24 ah, that does 1d15 damage, affected by half physical damage 07:25 which is slightly less than the 1d20 from getting hit by the boulder itself 07:26 I was a level 6 or so orc wiz, already slightly wounded, so I'm not surprised that it killed me 07:51 <@Umby> Wew 07:55 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 07:58 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:38 <@Umby> well that's just rude 09:09 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13880 points, T:528, killed by a sewer rat 09:12 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13124 points, T:553, killed by a grid bug 09:15 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11444 points, T:408, killed by a falling rock 09:19 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23836 points, T:1379, killed by a small mimic 09:20 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11341 points, T:292, killed by a grid bug 09:27 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 20435 points, T:1083, killed by a brown mold 09:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 09:55 there's a fix forthcoming from the bug we experienced earlier this morning. not live on repo yet but should be later today 09:57 yay, I have DECgraphics working in curses 09:57 pretty simple fix, didn't realize that curses had the complete character set that DECgraphics use, just not in the same place 09:57 so I just needed to make a conversion table 09:57 https://pastebin.com/raw/407DKPgL 09:58 nice FIQ 10:01 <@Umby> Greetings to ye both 10:03 heya @Umby 10:03 <@Umby> How goes it 10:04 good. mini-me had her first soccer game this morning. she almost scored twice 10:05 its 1st thru 3rd graders so wooo 10:05 fiq: you still haven't clarified what happens on a no-teleport level with wands of teleportation 10:05 it will not work 10:05 then what is this about choosing where to telpeort a monster? 10:06 i am on astral, i am expert in wands, i am surrounded by monsters, i break a blessed wand of teleport. what happens? 10:06 its a clever ploy to confuse the player 10:06 it's working 10:06 \o/ 10:06 as i pointed out before, the wiki is confusing 10:07 to me anyway 10:07 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 10:07 fiq: on other matters, could you add the ability to name an object on the floor? 10:09 that already exists 10:09 #name n , 10:09 simple 10:09 like all other floor prompts 10:09 ah, i did not know that. thanks 10:09 it's confusing because vanilla has #name f to name a floor item 10:10 it seemed like an obvious oversight 10:10 yes 10:10 another thing: i am wielding a pick and i am pushing a boulder. when it is pushed against another boulder or something that prevents it from moving, i automatically hit it. this is fine if i only hit it once but it automatically hits it until it breaks. is that intended? 10:11 luxidream: maybe I should add that too? 10:12 for muscle memory 10:12 oh wait 10:12 #name f already exists in fh for something else 10:12 nvm then 10:13 hothraxxa: autodig? 10:13 yeah 10:13 #name f does the same thing as #name a in vanilla 10:13 or #annotate 10:13 luxidream: apparently #name a actually works in fh too 10:13 probably aliased 10:13 yes i use #name a all the time 10:14 oh another thing. i can't seem to make option changes save between games. specifically, my autopickup options 10:15 for some reason i don't include amulets and i have to add the option every game 10:17 hothraxxa: because when you change ingame options, it will not change the config for all games 10:17 only that game 10:17 if you want to change game options for all games, you need to do it via o in the main menui 10:17 *main menu 10:18 ah, i think i once knew that 10:18 thanks 10:18 now what about the teleport wand thing? 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] Andrio x Jasmine (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 270914 points, T:40874, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2019-10-12%2014%3A22%3A30%2C%20Andrio%20x%20Jasmine-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 10:30 <@Tone> grats lux 10:31 ty 10:33 luxidream: but Whitney is much more fleecy ā™„ 10:33 please name your next char "LarienTelrunya x Whitney" :D 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Tmasher (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 837 points, T:2691, killed by a wererat 10:33 will do :) 10:33 Congrats! :o 10:34 yay! 10:34 [Jasmine] Aww... I'm not an orc though. 10:34 <@Umby> Nice one Andrio 10:35 whoops :D 10:35 none of us are really orcs though 10:36 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12401 points, T:7268, killed by a soldier ant 10:36 [Jasmine] Yeah. 10:36 well, one of us may be 10:37 <@Umby> Iunno, being an orc might've helped richards there 10:37 <@Umby> though that's a very strong "might've" 10:42 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 35268 points, T:9289, killed by a soldier ant 10:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Kni Clk Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:12660 10:50 [Jasmine] šŸ’™ 10:53 there https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#DECgraphics_in_the_curses_windowport 10:53 first bug report in over a year lol 10:54 heh 10:55 bhaak: I sent 2 links. Did my report get stuck in a spam filter? 10:55 FIQ: glad to see you getting back into it with nethack 10:55 This has happened before, that's why I ask, sorry 10:55 ā™„ 10:56 luxidream: grats for the asc 10:56 thanks FIQ 10:56 FIQ: no, it went through. 10:56 All right, thanks 10:57 yeah luxi grats. again 10:57 also I see that at some point, they replaced mailver reporting with showing subject after the report 10:58 i wish it sent a confirmation email 10:59 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- bug_sniper_ is now known as bug_sniper 10:59 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30827 points, T:1738, killed by a giant ant 11:00 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:90, killed by a sewer rat 11:00 Rats. 11:01 :) 11:04 hothraxxa: whenever you play fh, do you have hints enabled or disabled? 11:05 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 12151 points, T:1256, killed by an elven dagger 11:06 disabled, i think. which option is that? 11:07 i am a bit sick of getting killed by hobbits with runed daggers 11:08 they should be restricted weapons 11:08 >:D 11:08 But then Jas wouldn't be able to steal them. 11:09 wait, do monsters have weapon skill in FIQhack now? 11:09 Though that's more a thing in UnNetHack where you lose health regeneration by wielding iron daggers with no gloves as an elf. 11:09 evilhack will do that to you 11:10 or similar. not familiar enough with unnethack 11:10 Well, guess where evil got it from 11:10 heh. 11:11 my evilhack elf knight had to forego a nice +4 helm of brilliance thanks to that 11:12 fiq: why did you ask about hints? would that have solved my ignorance of naking things on the floor? 11:12 namig 11:13 fuck me 11:13 hothraxxa: I was considering adding a hint for #name f to point out for 3.6.x users 11:13 one-time hint 11:13 like the rest of them 11:13 ah. i usually turn off things like hints 11:13 luxidream: No 11:13 however i'm not sure where that option is in fh 11:13 in unnethack it's a mail daemon that interrupts your game 11:14 i don't recall any hints though 11:14 There is a fh branch where monster has skills with ranged weapons 11:14 but it's not in mainline fiqhack 11:14 Sometimes the mail daemon takes a path we haven't seen yet. 11:14 (it's part of my work to merge the monster ranged weapon functions) 11:14 that goes across most of the screen. 11:14 hothraxxa: Because there isn't any 11:14 for that 11:14 But I was considering adding a hint for it 11:14 Or do you mean that you haven't seen hints at all? 11:14 Huh, I didn't realize he actually walked across the screen 11:15 yeah but where do i control hints in general? 11:15 u - message_hints [true] explain more vague game messages 11:15 in options 11:15 game options 11:15 guess he's not totally useless after all 11:15 ok i'll look 11:15 It explains things like fountain/vault messages 11:15 or trinsic gain/loss 11:16 or when you identified a new thing 11:16 oh it's an in-game option. no wonder i couldn't find it. yes, it is on 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31991 11:16 You hear someone counting money. This level must be housing a vault. 11:16 The latter message is a hint message 11:16 yeah i get those 11:17 "Unlocked doors will open when you walk into them." 11:17 Thanks unnethack 11:17 hah 11:17 Heh 11:17 UnNetHack predates NetHack 3.6. 11:17 pretty useless message now that it has propagated to vanilla 11:17 and the fact that basically all roguelikes have it 11:18 nowdays 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:32001 11:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Kni Clk Mal Law) killed Oona, on T:13224 11:26 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 11:31 !tell K2 fixed priests moving onto you or other monsters 11:31 Will do, FIQ! 11:32 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 37897 points, T:2601, killed by a soldier ant 11:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7412 points, T:363, killed by a sewer rat 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:32395 11:34 ok 11:34 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-12 11:31 EDT: fixed priests moving onto you or other monsters 11:37 FIQhack updated (all servers) 11:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Kni Clk Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:14075 11:38 -!- Jonathan_ has joined #hardfought 11:41 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:32550 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:32552 11:46 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30836 points, T:2251, killed by a dog 11:46 <@Umby> b r u h 11:47 <@Umby> I just had the most tense Sokoban 2 of my life 11:47 <@Umby> lost my dog and had to deal with several enemies 1 at a time using offensive wands and my severely nerfed damage 11:47 <@Umby> due to poison literally reducing my strength to 6 from 12 11:48 <@Umby> literally had to drop several elves, Uruk-Hai and an owlbear, working my way towards the unicorn at the end 11:48 <@Umby> and you know what I got? 11:48 <@Umby> poison res from the corpse, +1 to dexterity from the exercise and the unicorn horn to finally restore my strength 11:48 <@Umby> god bless 11:48 K2: luxidream asked in another channel why the game was creating random monsters 11:49 I think I found the reason, is this of any use to you? 11:49 <@Umby> I feel so fucking great right now 11:49 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 12145 points, T:957, killed by a sewer rat 11:49 <@Umby> even losing my dog doesn't sting all that much 11:49 this commit: ad302fb8a99a5795c4d206870ea6573349b2d92a, made corpses created without needing an omonst, result in a random corpse instead 11:49 if I am reading the code correctly 11:49 should be easy to test and fix 11:49 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4646 points, T:91, killed by a sewer rat 11:50 <@Umby> this was after clearing the puzzle mind you 11:50 <@Umby> and almost dying to a wood golem as a result of my sapped strength 11:51 thanks FIQ 11:51 paxed told me earlier the devteam fixed it, its just not vis on the repo yet to pull 11:51 ah 11:51 ok 11:51 I guess it doesn't matter then 11:51 just need a bit of waiting 11:51 yeah 11:52 another hour or so i think 11:52 my quick fix was to revert the offending commit 11:52 so we can wait 11:52 mhm 11:53 mmm hmm 11:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 12098 points, T:587, killed by a goblin 11:55 -!- Chris__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:33117 11:58 <@Umby> woo woooooooo 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:33530 12:07 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 12:11 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 34766 points, T:2297, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:34238 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:28827 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had an orcish helm entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:5543 12:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 25704 points, T:1275, killed by a wererat 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:5837 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:29248 12:32 K2: I can confirm it's fixed :) 12:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 21172 points, T:2132, killed by an invisible tourist called "groovejumper" 12:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5249 points, T:164, killed by a grid bug 12:34 luxidream: you have to explain stuff to people that are different from vanilla or they might never know. who reads changelogs? 12:34 bhaak yay 12:34 fix still isnt live yet, sad face 12:34 but thats ok 12:34 <@Umby> Glad to see bugfixing is coming along well otherwise 12:35 people who play variants tend to be interested in changelogs 12:35 for some variants, reading the changelog is almost a must-do 12:35 esp if there's no wiki entry 12:35 or incomplete 12:36 I need to fix water elementals on water 12:36 currently it's way too easy to die to them instantly due to them wandering outside bubbles 12:36 * K2 needs to update the evilhack changelog with all of the new 0.4 bits 12:42 yay the fix is live 12:42 nice 12:43 so if I have a session in play, save and reload? 12:43 only for 363-hdf 12:43 ah 12:44 I thought you meant EH .4 12:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:45 nah 12:45 i mean yeah but it doesnt affect anyone on server 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:29645 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6017 12:49 <@Umby> god this sokoban zoo is tense 12:50 <@Umby> trying to deal with the few problem spawns while flipping between elven cloak stealth and displacement 12:51 <@Umby> found a replacement dog, lasted long enough to curse test the cloak and some other gear, then 0 IQ'd and jobbed to a rock piercer 12:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 33843 points, T:2590, killed by an imp 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7944 12:57 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 13:01 <@Umby> Wew 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:13695 13:05 <@Umby> @K2: Spare BoH 13:05 <@Umby> spare BoH sir? 13:06 <@Umby> spare BoH...? 13:06 heh 13:06 <@Umby> jingles change cup 13:06 <@Umby> I knew this Soko would give me a "or with all the items I ended up running through 13:08 <@Umby> but I'm still sad 13:08 <@Umby> I desperately need a bag of any kind 13:08 <@Umby> and not the bag of tricks a nymph baited me with 13:08 <@Umby> (though, useful for other reasons) 13:09 Monk: what am I supposed to do with this FireBrand?? 13:09 <@Umby> smash 'em with the hilt 13:10 <@Umby> you never played EarthBound? 13:10 <@Umby> :B 13:10 yeah 13:10 a long time ago 13:10 !tell K2 Now, you can plunge into water without instantly drowning. It sets a breath timer, similar to being inside a water elemental. 13:10 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ. 13:10 Find a Samurai to give it to 13:11 The reason for this change was to make water elementals less dangerous on the Plane of Water 13:11 Beforehand, they could engulf you and move you outside the bubbles 13:11 And thus, killing them would drown you instantly 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16050 13:12 <@Umby> "inside a water elemental" is something I didn't know I could be 13:12 FIQHack makes water elementals engulf+drown you 13:12 ok 13:12 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-12 13:10 EDT: Now, you can plunge into water without instantly drowning. It sets a breath timer, similar to being inside a water elemental. 13:12 Which is a delayed instadeath 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:16150 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30950 13:18 hmm 13:19 magic lamp or do the dishes... 13:19 dishes win 13:19 brb 13:23 hah 13:23 !rng wish or dish 13:23 bug_sniper: wish 13:26 FIQhack updated (all servers) 13:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:20101 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20103 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:20760 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:20828 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:20828 13:40 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:20905 13:42 !tell K2 buff zombies slightly: it now takes 5 hits or 50 turns (or a combination of the 2) to get terminally ill from zombification instead of 6 hits/60 turns 13:42 I'm on it, FIQ. 13:43 <@Umby> BAM 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:21062 13:43 <@Umby> trek through mines, tool shop has BoH 13:43 <@Umby> I'm so good at video games 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 10726 points, T:5605, zombified by an elf zombie 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:23004 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:23276 13:53 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 13:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 40974 points, T:11794, killed by a white unicorn 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:23722 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23755 13:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23877 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a green slime, on T:24063 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed jonathanhanes' ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1614 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24216 13:58 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 14718 points, T:785, killed by a jackal 14:00 -!- LarienTelrunya is now known as Amy-away 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:24513 14:03 >The creator, Linley Henzell, made slight changes to the NetHack General Public License to create the "Crawl General Public License", thus Crawl is free software. Crawl does not contain any source code from NetHack. 14:03 right.. 14:03 Pinkbeast: I thought their level parser was originally based off the NetHack one? 14:03 Hence why they both use the same file type 14:03 Obviously, it has changed quite significantly since 14:03 But still 14:04 So unless it was rewritten from scratch at some point, it's possible that some of its code still originates in NetHack 14:10 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30588 points, T:1917, killed by a tourist called "groovejumper" 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:25561 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:25710 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:25832 14:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:18 there's something wrong with my mail function 14:18 too large mail means it gets stuck for the current play session 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9025 14:22 <@Umby> so hold on 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30407 14:23 <@Umby> @FIQ groove's tourist got ganked by a previous version of themselves 14:23 <@Umby> explain 14:23 explain what? 14:23 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 14:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 14:23 they got killed by their own earlier bones 14:23 simple as that 14:23 wow.... 14:24 minesend luckstone is sitting on a level teleportation trap 14:24 just got ported back to level 1 14:24 and I can look forward to a nice loop here 14:25 I think I somehow got to juiblexā€™s level without poison resistance? 14:25 Not sure how that happened. 14:25 "and then comedy ensued" 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:9341 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:27481 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of teleportation", on T:27484 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 114 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31008 14:31 Yup, definitely donā€™t have poison resistance. Oh goodness. 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3574 points, T:5132, killed by a wand 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:9513 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 358550 points, T:27492, killed by a touch of death (with the Amulet) 14:32 ah but now I have ring of teleport control 14:32 FU level teleport trap 14:34 !lg 14:34 !lastgame 14:34 luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1570859735.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nethack/dumplog/1570881677.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/xnethack/dumplog/1570442600.xnh.html 14:36 The Wizard of Yendor steals the blessed Eye of the Aethiopica! 14:36 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-12 13:42 EDT: buff zombies slightly: it now takes 5 hits or 50 turns (or a combination of the 2) to get terminally ill from zombification instead of 6 hits/60 turns 14:36 doh 14:36 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 no good dude 14:37 -!- mtf has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:39 <@mtf> hey k2, saw you pinged me, what's up 14:40 -!- groov has joined #hardfought 14:40 :( 14:40 It's cool though 14:40 um 14:40 trying to remember 14:41 oh yeah 14:41 FIQ said you bailed 14:41 obviously not correct 14:41 also, can we get rld for #tnnt again this year? 14:42 <@mtf> hah, have not bailed, just busy as always =/ worked 24 hours in the past two days. Getting tired of making this excuse though 14:42 <@mtf> and yup, I just set up tnnt with rld 14:42 thanks 14:44 !tell K2 pushed major bug fix: mail are now limited to 80 characters, this prevents them from getting stuck 14:44 I'm on it, FIQ. 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:32328 14:46 mmk 14:46 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-12 14:44 EDT: pushed major bug fix: mail are now limited to 80 characters, this prevents them from getting stuck 14:46 mmk 14:46 FIQ you realize i'm here 14:46 lol FIQ i just came on here to report that, due to the mail you sent me. Then I started again and it's gone 14:46 * K2 goes to update 14:47 groov: yeah that works as temporary work-around 14:47 but I created a more permanent fix 14:47 thanks - it's always exciting to get mail but not that time 14:47 @mtf ah, I see. I assumed so because when I looked at logs, you talked like once every other month or so 14:47 !tell FIQ i'm updating fiqhack right now 14:47 FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 14:48 !tell FIQ it'll be done soon 14:48 No worries, K2, I've got this! 14:48 so I figured you lost interest, while not having gone completely MIA 14:48 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-12 14:47 EDT: i'm updating fiqhack right now 14:48 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-12 14:48 EDT: it'll be done soon 14:48 lol 14:48 !tell FIQ almost done... 14:48 FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 14:48 <@mtf> yea man I'm just working my ass off, haven't played any games in a long time 14:48 I see 14:48 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-12 14:48 EDT: almost done... 14:48 <@mtf> I'm looking at the fiqhack github right now 14:48 FIQhack updated (all servers) 14:48 !tell FIQ hey FIQ its done 14:48 I'm on it, K2. 14:49 * FIQ zaps K2 with a wand of striking! 14:49 :) 14:49 <@mtf> looks like you've been really busy šŸ˜„ makes me really want to give it a shot and see what the new changes are all about 14:49 I only recently started messing with fiqhack again 14:49 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-12 14:48 EDT: hey FIQ its done 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8297 14:49 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack#Changes_applicable_to_junethack_2019 14:50 not a lot of changes after junethack 2018 14:51 <@mtf> "Monsters get wands of magic missile significantly more rarely" and "Skilled+ wand users no longer get caught in their own wand explosions".... shocked pikachu face 14:51 <@mtf> are we EZHack now 14:51 <@mtf> šŸ˜› 14:51 the former was changed to make wands to monsters a bit more balanced 14:51 -!- Amy-away is now known as LarienTelrunya 14:51 because magic missile was more dangerous than the rest of the wands but was also the most common 14:51 which didn't really make any sense 14:51 <@Umby> Hi I'm still here 14:52 <@Umby> Sorry, fumes 14:52 <@Umby> Hi mtf 14:52 <@mtf> yea that makes sense, probably makes the game more fun 14:52 <@mtf> heya 14:52 damn you rain clouds 14:52 i wanted a bonfire tonight but NO 14:52 <@Umby> @FIQ but yeah, I'm probably parsing the death message too literally 14:52 the former was done to make wand usage less prone to backfiring on you 14:52 er 14:52 *the latter 14:52 <@Umby> like his character spontaneously revived from the bones and offed him 14:52 <@Umby> Let It Die-style 14:52 @Umby he stumbled upon his own bones 14:52 which had a player monster bones 14:53 <@Umby> that much I gathered and understood, yes 14:53 <@mtf> I guess being skilled+ w/ wands was sometimes a downside w/ offensive wands 14:53 <@Umby> right, now there 14:53 meaning he retained his complete inventory, etc, as if he was a regular player 14:53 <@Umby> that's the part I wanted elaboration on 14:53 which makes him far more dangerous 14:53 <@Umby> is that solely a FH thing 14:53 Hey, can orcustown leave bones? Because I just found Karnacā€™s corpse and headstone in orcustown. 14:53 <@Umby> (whatever FH stands for) 14:53 in exchange for this, none of the inventory is cursed 14:53 <@mtf> fiqhack šŸ˜„ 14:53 yes, it is a FIQHack thing 14:53 <@Umby> alright 14:53 AntiGulp: yes 14:53 <@Umby> does any other variant do this 14:53 <@Umby> for record's sake 14:53 Oh my gosh 14:53 !who 14:53 luxidream: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh363] ats [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] antigulp [nh363] expecthack [un] groovejumper [fh] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:54 He had the eye of aethopia 14:54 yeah 14:54 it can 14:54 and a full ascension kit 14:54 @Umby slex bones can also generate as player monsters, but they're not nearly as dangerous because the AI is no different from vanilla 14:54 <@mtf> @Umby player monsters in FH are super dangerous pretty much always 14:54 basically it's just a fiqhack thing 14:54 <@mtf> gotta learn to deal with em 14:54 <@mtf> or dig past em, etc 14:55 FIQHack and GruntHack also generates player monsters in the dungeon itself 14:55 I think they generate sleeping now 14:55 and evilhack 14:55 bones player monsters 14:55 they're better avoided anyway 14:55 <@Umby> alright, cool 14:55 <@Umby> thank you for elaborating 14:55 but unlike bones, those aren't asleep 14:55 <@Umby> more questions: under what circumstances do they generate as opposed to being just ghosts 14:56 <@mtf> It's pretty fun killing PM's from bones files though šŸ˜„ 14:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56 50% of the time when you would come back as a ghost 14:56 in evilhack/splicehack, if you leave bones and were exp level 15 or greater, instead of leaving a ghost its a spectre, which can and will use your shit 14:56 you come back as a player monster instead 14:57 in FIQHack, that is 14:57 ^ likes that too 14:57 Uhhhh so Karnacā€™s grave has multiple wands of wishing 14:57 hahah 14:57 <@Umby> :ceriBaited: 14:57 noooooooo 14:57 Iā€™m so sorry, Karnac 14:57 AntiGulp: did he play on explorer mode or what 14:57 <@Umby> I mean, he's not using them so 14:57 * K2 starts to motivate himself to update the evilhack changelog 14:57 <@Umby> just uncurse them and finish up whatever you have left in your acension kit 14:58 <@Umby> (I guess?) 14:58 He literally had a full ascension kit, a wand of wishing, a spare wand of wishing, the eye of aehtiopiaā€¦ oh goodness. 14:58 throw all of it in lava 14:58 @mtf depending on how long ago you played the last time, it might interest you that 3.6.x has curses now 14:58 Tangles_ made it 3.6-ready 14:58 and now without a buggy perm_invent 14:58 <@mtf> curses? 14:58 Curses windowport 14:58 <@mtf> ohhhh right 14:59 <@mtf> sick 14:59 <@mtf> that's awesome 14:59 <@mtf> so you mean I can play it without cringing now 14:59 <@mtf> w00t 14:59 K2: but i want it 14:59 hah 14:59 :) 14:59 Well it still retains all other NH3 idiosyncrasies 14:59 But at least it has that 15:00 <@mtf> yea, a nicer UI + inventory displayed all the time is a huge step forward 15:00 if you want to rock it in regular tty mode still, you can have 3 lines statusbar now 15:00 Also earlier today I made DECgraphics work on it 15:00 previously you only had the partial "cursesgraphics" which created nicer walls but didn't really do anything else 15:01 Screw it, Iā€™m not touching Karnacā€™s stuff. If I win with it, itā€™ll feel like cheating. 15:01 Requires DT to merge the fix, though 15:01 AntiGulp nooo take it all 15:01 and use it selflessly 15:01 <@mtf> when you gonna become an honorary DT member fiq 15:01 <@mtf> I feel like you've fixed half of 3.6.x by now 15:01 @mtf I don't think I'll create any more major patches for 3.6.x 15:01 @mtf there's a few here who should be considered for DT 15:01 K2: Oh hey he has a magic lamp too 15:01 <@mtf> I don't doubt it 15:02 lol AntiGulp 15:02 2 years ago, I spent a bunch of time implementing the , prompts that SLASH'EM and NH4 has 15:02 FIQ I hate those btw 15:02 <@mtf> lol 15:02 Because the NH3 code looked nothing like I expected it to, I had to do it all from scratch 15:02 Anyway, ultimately I sent DT a patch with it 15:02 It wasn't accepted -- fair enough, not everyone agrees with me 15:02 the getobj patch should be an option the player can toggle on/off 15:02 But it wasn't rejected either 15:03 i cant remember if it is or not 15:03 It was simply utterly ignored 15:03 K2: ...it was 15:03 ah 15:03 so it ended up in xnh? 15:03 Anyway, since I have no way of knowing whether or not DT will even bother looking 15:03 luxidream yeah 15:03 <@mtf> ugh that sucks 15:03 I'll not bother sending any further patches 15:03 <@mtf> could at least look it over and say nah 15:03 <@mtf> "the DT works in mysterious ways" 15:04 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31427 points, T:2986, killed by a couatl of Blind Io 15:04 Ok, Iā€™m just taking the wands of wishing, but Iā€™m not going to use them. 15:04 DT is disorganized and often does things that don't represent anyone's interests 15:04 wiz arti stealing 15:04 sliming 15:04 2 examples, one minor, one major 15:04 of the DT not only not listening to a report 15:04 but doing the complete opposite 15:05 the former had 2 reports, one by me, one by tungtn, both essentially asking the same thing 15:06 I think DT's response is what caused him to leave the community 15:06 <@mtf> oh yea I remember, about covetous guys stealing your quest arti right 15:06 (not solely due to that, that'd be a bit silly, but the last straw) 15:06 doesn't the DT also hate variant players 15:06 because they're unhappy with vanilla? 15:06 <@mtf> and DT was like "ahh yea good point, we'll just make covetous monsters steal everything" 15:06 luxidream: The older DT members has expressed such opinions, yes 15:07 IIRC, someone complained about something that basically all variants had a fix to 15:07 oof 15:07 and DT responded along the lines of "well fuck them" 15:07 <@mtf> lmao 15:07 <@mtf> but why 15:08 FWIW I thought having the wizard steal the lot was correct 15:08 ^ that 15:08 same 15:08 its the WoY 15:08 Pinkbeast: the problem wasn't really the change itself 15:08 <@mtf> didn't really bother me either way tbh 15:08 but the way DT responded to the request 15:08 which, by the way, didn't get any reply 15:09 for neither of us 15:09 same thing with sliming 15:09 ultimately a very minor change 15:09 and I don't really care for the change itself 15:09 but DT behaved the same way with it 15:09 <@mtf> sliming change? 15:09 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 18211 points, T:889, killed by a fox 15:09 request was ignored 15:10 and then a commit is made that does the opposite 15:10 @mtf I sent a suggestion to DT that if you genocided slimes, your sliming process would immediately stop 15:10 <@mtf> ah 15:10 <@mtf> that seems reasonable 15:10 DT responded by ignoring my suggestion, and then make it so that the slime process killed you by genocide insteaed 15:11 *instead 15:11 <@mtf> hahahahha 15:11 thats evil 15:11 <@mtf> well... actually that also seems reasonable 15:11 * K2 likes evil 15:11 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:11 <@mtf> but you're not a full slime yet... hmmm 15:11 @mtf as I was saying -- it's not a horrible change per se 15:11 part slime 15:11 I just don't like the way they responded 15:11 E.g. not at all, and doing the opposite instead 15:11 AngryFIQ 15:12 It just discourages people from suggesting things 15:12 <@mtf> yea ignoring and doing the opposite is not cool 15:12 <@mtf> here's an idea 15:12 <@mtf> next time you want to suggest something 15:12 <@mtf> suggest the opposite 15:12 nooo lol 15:12 ha 15:12 it'll backfire 15:12 <@mtf> lol probably 15:13 i'm still trying to motivate myself to update my changelog 15:13 its still not working 15:13 K2: just do it 15:13 simple 15:13 NO 15:13 Donā€™t let your dreams be dreams 15:13 but... but... 15:13 <@mtf> k2, you're our man, if you can't do it, no-one can 15:13 <@mtf> ... literally 15:13 i just want to chat and drink 15:13 ... and drink 15:14 !booze everyone 15:14 * Beholder passes everyone a shot of the hard stuff, prayed over by Athame at 68 degrees Fahrenheit. 15:14 OK fine 15:14 Thanks. This makes gehennom more bearable. 15:14 <@mtf> down the hatch 15:15 there's also https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Minor_scroll_reading_quirk 15:15 IIRC the same thing happened there, but I'd need to double check vanilla code 15:15 IIRC they responded by making you unable to read scrolls while blind and unable to talk instead 15:16 <@mtf> that is one obscure bug 15:16 <@mtf> ... huh 15:16 Also a minor change 15:16 <@mtf> how is that response a fix 15:16 But the fix was another opposite-case 15:17 Ah, just checked 15:17 They did worsen things for players, but with spells instead 15:17 So not an opposite fix 15:18 -!- Guest65 has joined #hardfought 15:18 Why is gehennom so long 15:18 Gehennom has way too much filler 15:18 Several variants address it in various ways 15:18 I think fiqhack and xnethack does essentially the same thing 15:18 <@mtf> yea variant gehennom's are usually waaaaay better 15:18 basically a new generator entirely 15:19 Most other variants make them mines-style 15:19 <@mtf> it doesn't help that yoiu can't autoexplore in vanilla either 15:19 Yeah. SpliceHack I rearranged it, but I want to do more. 15:19 Grunt has its own thing which I find even more annoying than the vanilla mazes 15:19 @mtf The functionality is there 15:19 press x after _ 15:20 to move the cursor to an unexplored tile 15:20 It's supposed to be a help for blind users 15:20 grunthack gehennom... wooo 15:20 <@mtf> oh really 15:20 It will not autoexplore, though 15:20 It just travels to an unexplored tile 15:20 <@mtf> so it just takes you to the next unexplored tile 15:20 <@mtf> got it 15:20 <@mtf> that's... like halfway there 15:20 Well my point was 15:20 It'd be trivial to make autoexplore based off it 15:20 <@mtf> right 15:20 It's basically there already 15:20 codewise 15:21 <@mtf> DT likes carpal tunnel tho 15:21 Clearly DT has explicitly chosen not to implement it 15:21 * K2 opens up the evilhack changelog in his fav text editor 15:21 Honestly, vanilla gehennom always makes me want to quit. I love the early game, I love the mid game, I love ascension, but gehennom is justā€¦ urgh. 15:21 * K2 gets distracted 15:21 You got this K2 15:21 in fact, I've actually tried to macro _x. for autoexplore 15:21 oooh shiny 15:21 It... kind of works in some cases 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:2372 15:22 <@mtf> lol really 15:22 however, in vanilla, travelling to a square you are on will take a turn 15:22 so macroing it is dangerous 15:22 <@mtf> I guess it equates to a wait eh 15:23 except it smudges engravings, etc, as if you're walking 15:23 or fumbling 15:23 *and fumbling triggers 15:23 etc 15:24 <@mtf> that makes no sense 15:24 <@mtf> par for the course w/ vanilla hto 15:24 lack of autoexplore is one of the most annoying features with vanilla 15:24 well, lack of features 15:24 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 15:25 does fiqhack implement autoexplore 15:25 <@mtf> oh yea 15:25 punk-ass genie 15:25 no wish 15:25 just thinks he can hang around and be my friend 15:25 <@mtf> fiqhack is the king of QoL and advanced AI 15:25 I don't want to be friends 15:26 <@mtf> that's why I love it so much 15:26 god i hate those genies 15:26 I WANT A PYEC 15:26 AntiVirus: Thank you for freeing me! 15:26 needy genie 15:26 fun fact: FIQHack monsters can get genies willing to give them wishes 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3767 15:26 lol 15:26 are you playing monk ? 15:26 Thank you for freeing me! Now make me a sammich! 15:26 ya 15:27 it's going pretty well 15:27 <@mtf> what does a monster wish for though 15:27 sweet 15:27 so shields are ok at grandmaster? 15:27 I have a shield of reflection 15:27 and I seem to be able to hit everything 15:27 the only thing is you don't get that chance at a 'staggering blow' 15:27 also I found an early +1 dragonhide t-shirt 15:27 where it stuns them and tries to move them back a square 15:27 ah 15:27 @mtf Dwarves wish for gems, player monsters wish for quest artifacts, the Yendorian Army wish for an ascension kit, Rodney wishes for MR 15:27 btw, for anyone who's listening - i can not, and will not, play any variant or non-variant that does not implement auto-explore. I just can't go back to it no matter how hard I try 15:27 <@mtf> that's neat 15:28 but if you are wielding a weapon, definitely use a shield too because there's no additional penalty (besides spellcasting) 15:28 so how about that 15:28 Most other things wish for cursed gain level if they want to escape, cursed genocide, wands of summoning 15:28 I have a FireBrand 15:28 groov hmm 15:28 Undead wishes for wands of death 15:28 and I'm not sure when I should work that in 15:28 cursed genocide to revgeno nasties 15:28 Monk rocks for sure 15:28 the thing is later on you can cast without the robe (so you could wear a cloak of MR) if you are high level etc. but if you do that, you can't wear a shield or it will hinder spellcasting a little 15:28 the early game was a breeze compared to wizard 15:29 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 25991 points, T:1923, killed by an invisible tourist called "groovejumper" 15:29 yeah I was just happy I found some kind of source of reflection 15:29 groov: 2nd time you die to the same bones? 15:29 Or another one? 15:29 before I started having to deal with death rays 15:29 nice 15:30 !lastgame groovejumper 15:30 FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/groovejumper/fiqhack/dumplog/2019-10-12%2019%3A29%3A23%2C%20groovejumper-Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt 15:30 MR is more important imo in evilhack 15:30 "Sorry, I'm all out of wishes." 15:30 as far as which i try to get first. but yeah reflection is crucial 15:30 !who 15:30 K2: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh363] Undaunter [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] mosen [nh363] antigulp [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] expecthack [un] groovejumper [fh] farmazon [xnh] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] APic [nh363] spontiff [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:30 nearly had PYEC 15:30 looks like I will need to do the castle first 15:31 yes i seem to have left at least a couple of bones in and around 5 - 7, ran into myself several times today 15:31 from the genie? 15:31 yeah blessed lamp 15:31 but no wish 15:31 probably my luck is in the crapper 15:31 nah it's not involved i don't think 15:31 unless you mean real life luck 15:31 it's just an 80% chance 15:31 riht 15:31 groov the only 3.x based variant with autoexplore is unnethack 15:31 right 15:31 yerp 15:31 otherwise its nh4 based/dynahack 15:31 oh well, drive on 15:32 ;) 15:32 in vanilla as a monk you can get through castle wishless 15:32 @k2 ooh didn't know that about un, will have to give it a go. 15:32 fairly easily 15:32 and unnethack is fun regardless 15:32 and if you have to do quest first, you get MR from the eyes 15:33 but i haven't gotten castle wand without an early wish in EH yet 15:33 (or two lol) 15:33 oh magic eyes? 15:33 K2: not correct 15:33 oh sorry 15:33 right the artifacts 15:34 what am i missing 15:34 eyes of overworld is monk quest artifact 15:34 gotcha 15:34 but he changed it for 0.4 15:34 makes it much better 15:34 yeah I'ma bit concerned without that first wish 15:34 K2: acehack 15:34 I thought I was done then I realized I havenā€™t found Vladā€™s tower noooooo 15:34 right thats where it came from 15:34 I would have had AC & MR & Reflection 15:34 but FIQ, show me where groov can go play acehack 15:35 it's a bummer when they don't give the wish for sure 15:35 hm 15:35 I thought ascension.run had it 15:35 it doesn't 15:35 i've had soooo many water demons in eh and like 1 wish i think 15:35 sorry 15:35 :P 15:36 rebatela you cant let go of not hardly ever getting a dip wish in evilhack can you hahah 15:36 also I thought dnh had it too, but I double checked before replying 15:36 it's not nearly as widespread as I thought 15:36 ehh.. it's what we were talking about though 15:36 I knew spork didn't have it, and figured grunt didn't since it's dead 15:36 grunt isnt dead 15:36 sort of... lamps and how he needed that djinni to give him the wish 15:36 and I also figured evil didn't because it's spork+grunt and you have no interest in autoexplore 15:36 I thought xnh and splice had it too 15:36 but I was wrong 15:36 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 15:36 i just want to know if the odds changed.. are you sure you didn't change something ? 15:36 evilhack isnt just grunt+spork 15:37 I know 15:37 I donā€™t think I ever added it to Splice, unfortunately. 15:37 but that's where most of its feature set originates 15:37 as in 15:37 Throw it in the etherpad 15:37 i'm going to have to start calling you 'fake news' 15:37 if grunt had autoexplore 15:37 evil would probably also have it 15:37 funny you mention that... 15:37 K2: dynahack is basically un+nitrohack 15:37 but it has plenty of its own stuff too 15:37 just steal it from un lmao 15:37 :P 15:38 luxidream what do you think i have up in my browser hah 15:38 in fact dynahack's working name was UnNitroHack IIRC 15:38 Splice is basically just 3.6 + Slashā€™em 15:39 thank you, then I will probably not play splice 15:39 I have little interest in most 3.6 changes and even less interest in SLASH'EM 15:39 splice has yugioh 15:39 FIQ: Well, itā€™s also focused on stripping out a lot of the stupid stuff from slash'em. 15:39 therefore it's better than slashem 15:39 <@mtf> what's wrong with slashem 15:39 Ok, preface: I like SLASH'EM 15:39 But 15:40 @mtf it's basically a less extreme slex 15:40 minesgnolls 15:40 The balance is absolutely whacked out 15:40 it has about as much thought put into its features 15:40 Common wands of create horde 15:40 potions of amnesia that monsters throw 15:40 <@mtf> I figured that, but I also figured it was a bit more enjoyable too 15:40 Titans can be summoned through summon nasties, despite the fact that vanilla has a comment specifically warning why that isnā€™t implemented 15:40 more amnesia in general 15:40 <@mtf> guess not 15:40 because that's what NetHack needs 15:40 gypsies 15:40 ^ 15:40 @mtf it has a lot of content 15:41 not all of it is bad 15:41 but it has like, no thought put into balancing 15:41 Thatā€™s a good way of putting it 15:41 oh yeah all artifact weapons deal max damage 15:41 ?? 15:41 Bat from Hell. +20 flat damage bonus. Much balance. 15:41 for example 15:41 slash'em introduced , prompts when asking for objects 15:41 monks 15:42 those are from slashem right? 15:42 slash'em also introduced monks 15:42 which made its way into vanilla 15:42 coaligned altar in the first room of dungeon. love it 15:42 well ok ok 15:42 the quest was more or less unchanged, meaning it was balanced for SLASH'EM power levels 15:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:42 slashem also introduced the modern spellcasting system? 15:42 maybe this dijini pet isn't so bad 15:42 in EH monsters use more items 15:42 this is why 3.4.3 Master Kaen is so infamous 15:42 <@mtf> ah I see 15:42 right now homeboy is rocking firebrand 15:42 Basically, in Splice, when I port stuff from Slashā€™em, I try to take the stuff I like from Slashā€™em, rebalance it to a normal level, then add it. 15:43 luxidream: it made it more widespread, but not really 15:43 it was its own patch 15:43 that SLASH'EM merged before vanilla did 15:43 I see 15:43 that's where the EM part comes from 15:43 Extended Magic 15:43 <@Umby> SLEM and EX had/have a lot of good ideas counteracted by several bad ones "fatally" coupled with a lack of restraint 15:43 I don't know my nethack history as well as I should 15:43 <@Umby> which, logical conclusion of being the kitchen sink variant ig 15:43 <@Umby> I don't either lol, all good 15:43 you can have a good kitchen sink variant 15:43 <@Umby> oh no you totally can 15:43 speaking of master kaen 15:44 how is he in current NetHack versions? 15:44 scare monster ggez 15:44 can he still be rendered useless with scare monster? 15:44 @Umby: slex fixed the fatally bad stuff from slashem actually and has no bad stuff itself :P 15:44 urgh 15:44 FIQ: Iā€™ve beaten him in melee, with no scare monster. 15:44 <@Umby> you're the dev, of course you'd say that 15:44 one of the 3.6.x features I dislike the most 15:44 making scare monster OP 15:44 <@Umby> also scare monster's only OP bc Elb is a much more defensive option now 15:45 <@Umby> at least I feel like that's the case 15:45 it buffed scare monster, which was already strong as-is, from vanilla 15:45 in making it also work on @ 15:45 antivirus: you know you can just ignore the 'you feel guilty' messages and eat corpses, right? (unless you are going for conducts). The stuff you kill will offset the alignment penalty. I forgot to mention that when i was plugging monks 15:45 er 15:45 *from 3.4.3 15:45 <@Umby> oh right, ic 15:45 and minotaurs, for that matter 15:45 FIQ: what makes you think I've put no thought into the stuff I added to slex? balance considerations are supreme for me, I always try to not add unbalancing stuff and when I do, it gets rebalanced later 15:45 oh I thought there was some massive penalty 15:45 so yeah I have been trying not to do it 15:45 <@Umby> it makes a certain kinda sense though, given those were because of Elbereth rules 15:45 no eat everything 15:46 luxidream: I don't mind that, their Elbereth resistance is a bit inconsistent in hindsight 15:46 right you need intrinsics 15:46 <@Umby> which the scroll of scare monster was not 15:46 well actually monks get the intrinsics 15:46 however, IMO, all uniques should resist elbereth and scare monster 15:46 <@Umby> functionally the same purpose as an Elbereth 15:46 LarienTelrunya did you say slex was balanced again? 15:46 which is why people going for vegan etc play monks 15:46 <@Umby> at its base anyway 15:46 luxidream: the only reason minotaurs resist Elbereth is to make it more dangerous to farm their wands of digging 15:46 their elbereth resistance was due to some ancient version where they could potentially be farmed for wands? 15:46 <@Umby> but god knows what's written on that damn scroll 15:46 K2: uhh yeah, because it was implied in the backscroll that it supposedly wasn't :P 15:46 FIQ: in evil they do :P 15:46 to polypile into wands of wishing 15:46 but save your food and just eat corpses like everyone else 15:46 yeah good to know, I was going crazy about food 15:46 oh we said that at the same time lol 15:46 but the apples and oranges and fortune cookies ? that's for taming pets... 15:47 LarienTelrunya that implication was probably correct :) 15:47 horses with the apples and oranges and dogs/cats with the fortune cookies 15:47 fortune cookies are scarfed for Elbereth 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+3 blessed greased fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:13613 15:47 I wonder why they decided to make them resistant to elbereth 15:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:47 ah ok 15:47 over 15:48 removing the wand of wishing 15:48 from items that can be polymorphed 15:48 luxidream: that survived for way longer than it should have 15:48 polypile for wand of wishing? 15:48 yes 15:48 what version did it get removed in 15:48 <@Umby> what I'm trying to figure out is what powerful magic is written into "scare monster" that trumps Elbereth 15:48 3.1 something IIRC 15:48 <@Umby> not that I mind that in itself 15:48 wow 15:49 <@Umby> but it poses inch resting implications 15:49 I forget when you stopped being able to polypile scrolls of mail, too 15:49 luxidream: just checked 15:49 3.0.8 15:49 you'd think that would have been fixed before NH3 15:50 antivirus: so, in evilhack eating corpses only grants you partial resistance as you know.. But monks get intrinsic fire resistance (100%) at XL 11, cold at 13, and shock at 15 , and teleport control at 17 15:50 I think 3.1 was the version that added branches, and thus the modern dungeon layout 15:50 oh wow 15:50 TC, that's rad 15:50 making it mostly indistinguishable from 3.4.3+ at quick glance 15:50 You think right 15:50 and teleport at will? 15:50 (that's in vanilla too... but in vanilla you get full resistance from one corpse) 15:50 so it was still removed before the major rework that made it into what we have today 15:50 but only barely 15:50 can you CRTL+T 15:51 yeah 15:51 there is no teleport at will on level gain 15:51 no teleport control at level 17? 15:51 boo 15:51 you have to either learn the spell or eat a corps ethat gives you teleportisis 15:51 exactly 15:52 oh teleport at will 15:52 nvm 15:52 <@Umby> doesn't the wizard get tele at will? 15:52 FIQ there's still teleport *control* at lvl 17 15:52 :P 15:52 yeah 15:52 :P 15:52 but yes... by the that point (lvl 17) you can learn teleport away or get teleportisi and then you can ctrl-T 15:52 <@Umby> because I remembered wizards getting that 15:52 the wizard is not the wizard role 15:52 @Umby no not tele just tele control 15:52 the wizard generally refers to Rodney 15:52 <@Umby> the role, goddamnit 15:52 <@Umby> :B 15:53 any monster with M3_COVETOUS can teleport at will and control where 15:53 <@Umby> but yeah, idk why but I could've sworn 15:53 K2: in fiqhack, so can covetous players 15:53 yeah wizards def get teleport at will if they have teleportitis 15:53 the only way in fiqhack to bypass noteleport 15:53 huh 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36790 15:53 after I changed wands of teleport 15:53 arent all players covetous? 15:53 no 15:53 um 15:53 antivirus: no it happens at lvl 11 or something in vanilla 15:53 ah 15:53 if i am a player... i want the amulet 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36793 15:54 K2: that is very different 15:54 if I am a nymph, I want player items 15:54 but you will be able to control t as a monk in evilhack no problem 15:54 but I am not covetous because of that 15:54 I.... w-w-w-want... the knnnife.... 15:55 @Umby Wizards get teleport-at-will earlier than everyone else 15:55 but you still need to eat a corpse conferring teleportitis 15:55 to make use of it 15:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30624 points, T:2616, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a spellbook 15:55 <@Umby> oic 15:55 this Dijini with Firebrand is pretty cool 15:55 now I just need a leash for the guy 15:56 and some armor for him 15:56 I wonder how you put a leash on a fog cloud pet 15:56 they are hard to keep tame 15:56 i don't think there's a way to feed them. i don't think they eat 15:56 oh so what your saying is... 15:56 he's gonna fire brand you to death 15:56 that firebrand will be used on me soon 15:56 lol 15:57 well crud, I'll ditch him then 15:57 firebrand is pretty useless to me 15:57 in fiqhack, you can increase tameness of inediate pets by giving them lizard corpses and starting the petrification process with them 15:57 they will increase their tameness by eating the lizard corpse 15:57 was the firebrand gifted? 15:57 it was 15:57 like every other pet would 15:58 so you could use it because that weapon class in unrestriced now.. once you hit with it a few times you can train it (once) 15:59 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13692 points, T:519, killed by an electric shock 15:59 bzzt 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 hah 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:01 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01 <@Umby> Couldn't you bullwhip Fireband off them? 16:01 <@Umby> p. sure you could 16:01 @mtf have you considered inseritng a notice in discord chat whenever rld does its hourly reconnect 16:01 <@Umby> though maybe not with that specific character 16:01 4 hrs 16:01 if there was talk recently 16:01 to make sure that both sides are notified of a lack of communication for a moment 16:02 <@Umby> but yeah, you can disarm tamed NPCs with bullwhips at a certain skill level, iirc 16:02 <@magicbymcluxey> It happens exactly on the hour 16:02 either that, or send the messages missed from discord to IRC upon reconnect 16:02 <@Umby> as far as increasing tameness again, either a scroll/spell of charming or magic harp 16:02 (the other way around is physically impossible, but on IRC side, rld hourly reconnect is seen) 16:02 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Ana Aur Mal Law), 1634 points, T:2126, killed by a monster (gnome warrior) 16:02 <@Umby> it shouldn't decrease too fast if you aren't physically separated too long 16:03 @magicbymcluxey easy to overlook 16:05 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19644 points, T:740, killed by a gecko 16:05 rld reboots on the hour every 4 hours 16:05 antivirus: don't feel like you have to play weaponless, unless you're going for the conduct... Some people would enchant that Firebrand. Sometimes i will wait until i break the conduct by accident and then play around with a weapon like that from sacrificing 16:05 K2: I thought it was once every hour? 16:05 that said, martial arts in eh is fun 16:05 not every 4 hours 16:05 it was initially 16:05 Ah 16:06 and then i got tired of the leave rejoin spam 16:06 oh you have server control? 16:06 no 16:06 but i know a guy 16:06 ah you just complained to the ones that did 16:06 i made a request 16:06 * FIQ changes it to once every 5min 16:06 this makes me sad 16:06 you know, just in case 16:07 <@mtf> FIQ: Is it still restarting hourly??? 16:07 <@mtf> I set it up with a cron to restart every 4 hours... 16:08 @mtf no I was just wrong 16:08 apparently 16:08 <@mtf> ah ok 16:08 <@mtf> hmm 16:08 <@mtf> actually 16:08 <@mtf> I'm not sure you were 16:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632671004141027330/unknown.png 16:08 <@mtf> look at the uptime 16:09 @mtf yeah it disconnected 8min ago 16:09 but I checked last hour 16:09 no disconnect 16:09 the disconnect before that was 4h ago 16:09 <@mtf> that also seems weird, b/c I restarted it to hook it up with #tnnt šŸ˜› 16:09 <@mtf> and I got up 2.5 hours ago 16:10 @mtf it does it on a 4h schedule at set times 16:10 so it doesn' 16:10 t matter 16:10 if you restarted it last hour 16:10 next planned disconnect will be in 4h 16:10 even if you restart it before then 16:10 <@mtf> I'm just saying you probably should have seen a disconnect message like a couple hours ago 16:11 @mtf I just checked the whole hours 16:11 :P 16:11 <@mtf> ohhh gotcha 16:11 18:36:34 <-- | rld (~rld@104.140.104.133) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:38521 16:11 1h25min ago 16:12 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 27641 points, T:1629, killed by a giant bat 16:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] farmazon (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2060 points, T:2420, killed by a black pudding 16:12 <@mtf> looks like discord-irc has had two releases since I last updated it 16:12 <@mtf> I'm going to update it now 16:13 <@mtf> rld will be down for a few mins 16:13 -!- groov has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:38679 16:14 GO TIME 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38685 16:15 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:15 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 16:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 16:16 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:15631 16:18 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:18 hi 16:18 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:39030 16:18 <@mtf> kk so bots back up 16:18 <@mtf> going to re-enable webhooks now 16:18 cool 16:18 so we can ateveryone again :P 16:19 <@mtf> hopefully not lol 16:19 you mean @everyone ? 16:19 yeah 16:19 :D 16:19 <@mtf> nice try 16:19 previously, webhooks b ypassed usual permissions 16:19 so mtf had to change config into the old format on discord side 16:20 *bypassed 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9385 16:21 <@mtf> restarting one more time 16:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:8776 16:22 Thereā€™s a purple worm in the sanctum eating all the priests :D 16:22 it's hungry 16:22 I should implement proper mvm digestion 16:22 atm they can resist by wearing slow digestion 16:22 but it's still an instadeath 16:22 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:22 bot is back, yay 16:23 FIQ: I had a partial implementation for that a while back. Itā€™s similar to the monster riding code I wrote, but less ugly. 16:23 does @here work now? 16:23 rip 16:23 <@mtf> webhooks re-enabled šŸ™‚ 16:23 <@KubeRoot> reeee 16:23 <@Three Point Fourteen> *SCREAM 16:23 <@Its-Alf> yes 16:23 <@Bara Koopa Queen> :noliek: 16:23 <@freon> yes 16:23 <@java> THIS AGAIN 16:23 <@qetc> :oreeee: 16:23 <@Admiral Squatbar> šŸ˜  16:23 <@acaseyl> yes 16:23 <@freon> yes it does 16:23 <@John Keel> Why 16:23 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23 FIQ why 16:23 lol 16:24 whyyyyy 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:39267 16:25 First time I ever killed that guy without using a death ray. Wow, does he do a lot of damage. 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39269 16:27 DynaHack is UnNetHack 4 + NitroHack + its own stuff 16:27 bhaak: which is what I said 16:28 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:28 @mtf we safe now? 16:29 <@Shrd> just yours 16:29 <@gwarl> having a great time shilling angband.live here while the madness continues, how are you 16:29 <@gwarl> I'll get bored in a minute or two 16:29 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632675931806367767/unknown.png 16:29 <@Sage> @SeventhSandwich nope, it's just a plotter 16:29 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632675937359495173/video_9.mov 16:29 <@jellocube> the others are less acidic 16:29 <@Cass> love those trees 16:29 <@Cass> really good work šŸ’™ 16:29 <@jellocube> thank you! 16:29 <@Naxane> how much do you spend on ink? @Sage 16:29 <@FIQ> you should all go and play fiqhack 16:29 <@Cass> what are they for? 16:29 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29 guess not 16:30 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:50542 16:34 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 16:37 OK who pinged everyone this time 16:37 FIQ 16:37 but, that wasnt supposed to happen 16:38 supposedly it was suppressed 16:38 I think so 16:38 @everyone and @nethack didnt do it anymore 16:38 the damage isn't as widespread this time 16:38 but @here did 16:38 'damage' 16:38 * Pinkbeast hands K2 a button marked "do not press this button" 16:39 anyone that gets all worked up over being pionged, needs to reassess their mental state of affairs 16:39 you should have seen the channel after you did that lmao 16:39 * K2 pushes said button repeatedly 16:39 I get a wee bit worked up over a million Discordies coming in to complain :-) 16:39 you mean after FIQ did it ;) 16:39 there's no way to ping everyone in IRC :) 16:41 FIQ: not exactly. it's missing lots of UnNetHack 5 content 16:42 luxidream: what's the difference between @here and @everyone? 16:42 dynhack is unnethack 4 on nitrohack playform 16:42 it keeps pinging me, that's for sure 16:42 plus other bits 16:42 *annoyed* 16:43 *platform 16:43 @here notifies everyone who is online (green) 16:43 ah 16:43 so I didn't get the ping, because I was idle 16:43 yeah I tried @here instead of @everyone for a reason 16:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44 I knew the former wasn't as far-reaching but was fuzzy on the details 16:44 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:44 <@Destragon> classic hardfought 16:44 <@mtf> I'm just a big dummy 16:44 should I test again? 16:44 <@K2> šŸ™‚ 16:44 <@mtf> I updated the repo but didn't rebuild it 16:44 <@mtf> so it was still using the old code 16:44 <@FIQ> @mtf smart 16:44 <@K2> bwahahah 16:44 @NetHack 16:45 meh, when in doubt, blame me 16:45 @here 16:45 <@mtf> I still dont' have a ton of npm experience lol 16:45 <@mtf> I really want to say yes, but I'm scared lol 16:45 luxidream: NetHack is allowed 16:45 oh 16:45 <@mtf> w00t it didn't ping for the here 16:45 because, well, it's a NetHack channel 16:45 <@mtf> which means the everyone should be g2g too 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41498 16:45 @everyone is good 16:45 <@K2> welcome to the beta test discord... 16:45 cool 16:45 <@ArchAlessus> Will you stop this already, no? 16:45 <@mtf> it is stopped now 16:46 <@mtf> that was the last test 16:46 K2: I did suggest a staff-only channel at first last time this happened for a reason :P 16:46 I figured @mtf had already done that when I pinged earlier 16:46 <@K2> mtf nothing should group ping anything from irc to here 16:46 <@K2> ever 16:46 <@mtf> I would have had to set up another webhook to test it out 16:47 <@mtf> hmm... maybe I should disable role pings for the bot 16:47 Yes, you probably should 16:47 <@K2> its cute but only up to a point 16:47 Even if atnethack might be worthwhile to have in this particular channel, bot permissions are community-wide I think 16:47 <@K2> no it isnt 16:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632680859581022212/unknown.png 16:47 K2: I mean, that's the entire point of the role 16:47 To be notified of NetHack news, etc 16:48 <@mtf> hmm... I'm not sure I can remove pings for roles 16:48 <@mtf> without also removing member pings 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:41761 16:48 LETS GO 16:48 <@K2> hmm 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:11859 16:48 <@mtf> gl anti šŸ˜„ 16:49 <@FIQ> @mtf the problem with allowing role pings 16:49 <@FIQ> or bot pings in general 16:49 <@FIQ> is that if a single person abuses it 16:49 <@FIQ> you can't just easily ban that single person 16:49 <@K2> i really have no idea how many people come here on the discord side, but I dont want to start unnecessarily pissing folks off or making them think this channel is a joke. its not 16:49 <@FIQ> unlike in discord 16:49 <@FIQ> where, if I were to, say, ping every single role 16:49 <@FIQ> to spam 16:49 <@FIQ> mods would just ban me 16:49 <@mtf> yea 16:50 Can I name my pet with one of the forbidden expressions then have Beholder announce me killing it? 16:50 Pinkbeast: ha 16:50 <@K2> ^ that 16:50 <@mtf> I just hate to disable user pings, takes away a really useful feature of the bridge 16:50 but yeah, it'd work 16:50 <@FIQ> @mtf indeed 16:50 heh 16:50 <@FIQ> can you really not remove role pings only and keep user pings? 16:50 <@FIQ> that's dumb 16:50 <@mtf> that's what it seems like 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:51171 16:51 luxidream: how are you going to get rid of that game you created 16:51 without pinging the discord staff and nethack role users :P 16:51 it won't get livelogged with my current mintc 16:51 ah 16:51 * Pinkbeast asks Amy to add a Discord user class with gods named ... 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:11141 16:51 OR I ascend and leave the roguelikes discord forever 16:52 <@mtf> lol 16:52 !lotg AntiGulp 16:52 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, AntiGulp! 16:52 \o/ 16:53 funny that chasonr should decide to do a bunch of work on the 3.1 wiki articles right after 3.1 being talked about in here 16:54 <@mtf> @FIQ so... it appears that this is a feature that was requested last year 16:54 <@mtf> https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360029420492-Allow-muting-notifications-by-role 16:54 <@mtf> has not been acted upon 16:54 <@mtf> thanks discord =/ 16:56 <@mtf> either way guys, I have removed the restart cron from the config... can ya'll let me know if that one-sided disconnect issue rears its head again? 16:57 will do 16:57 Too bad nobody has ever invented chat software with featureful /ignore capabilities. 16:57 <@mtf> thanks šŸ™‚ and yea yea jona, heard it all before šŸ˜› 16:59 IRC still has its benefits 16:59 Iā€™ve been on the plane of water for hundreds of turns 17:00 This is weirdly peaceful but also where the heck did that portal float off to 17:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] farmazon (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2025 17:00 Get out of it before you go all prune-y 17:00 it went off to hide somewhere 17:00 AntiGulp: Yeah, that's the thing about Water, it can sometimes take a while. 17:00 AntiGulp: you should make all bubbles visible on Water 17:00 and add everything else fh and dnh has to make Water more bearable 17:00 FIQ: Thatā€™s a good idea 17:00 I'll take it over Air which can sometimes take the rest of your life 17:00 they mostly do the same things 17:00 <@*sans rights> why i keep getting pings in this 17:01 ... or Fire on a monochrome display, which just seems like it takes the rest of your life 17:01 Pinkbeast: I actually like Air from a design perspective, I think it works as intended, mostly. 17:01 <@mtf> you know.. if you don't have a discord profile, the bot just gives you the default one when you talk from IRC... It looks like I can set a default for the webhook. You guys have any ideas on a good profile pic to represent hardfought users without a discord account? 17:01 dnh has a different set of monsters, fh has the vanilla set but makes them faster due to water, and makes water elemental more dangerous 17:01 <@*sans rights> šŸ˜‚ 17:01 Compared to the other Planes, I mean. 17:01 both variants make bubbles visible and have a breath timer so you can swim between them if you're willing to get your stuff wet 17:01 jonadab: I don't disagree, I was just alluding it to it being quite perilous 17:02 Pinkbeast: Oh, yeah, it is that. 17:02 I think that's intended. 17:02 But yes. 17:02 Waitā€¦ I dropped my amulet of magical breathingā€¦ aaaugh. Iā€™m stuck until the portal pops up 17:02 In my first ascension it was on Air I learned there comes a point where the aim is not to kill every monster you see :-/ 17:02 <@*sans rights> @jonadab 17:02 <@*sans rights> @jonadab 17:03 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03 Pinkbeast: Heh. That would take a while. 17:03 The lesson cost me one AoLS, cheap at the price 17:04 Though I'm not sure how you got past the Sanctum without encountering that principle. 17:04 Luck, being a Valkyrie, and things being perhaps generally less hairy in 3.1.3 17:04 Ah. 17:04 too many air elementals? 17:04 I've not played 3.<4 17:05 Mostly an Archon-led summoning storm IIRC 17:06 <@Revenant> did someone detonate an "@ everyone" in here? 17:06 <@mtf> yes, the last everyone bomb was ignited 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:42253 17:06 <@mtf> however I have destroyed the source 17:06 <@mtf> so there shouldn't be anymore 17:06 <@alienpirate5> why did i get pinged? 17:07 We pinged everyone who doesn't read 3 lines of scrollback 17:07 <@mtf> @alienpirate5 we were testing an issue with the bot, and unfortunately a ping got out. The issue has since been resolved 17:07 <@semi-prof. server wrangler> a mere 3 lines of scrollback 17:07 <@semi-prof. server wrangler> easily scrolling through that because i know exactly where the deleted ping was 17:08 <@mtf> prob shouldn't have purged everything, should have left the ping there so that people would see what happened 17:08 <@mtf> but whenever pings get out people use it as a chance to spam like crazy lol 17:08 deleting logs is a cruel action 17:08 only partaken by cruel people 17:09 it's up there right alongside things like kicking puppies 17:09 <@mtf> the hardest decisions require the strongest of wills 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "a blessed potion of booze named "I'll gently rise and I'll softly call..."", on T:42311 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13888 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "A blessed potion of booze named "Good night, and joy be with you all."", on T:42311 17:10 so fiq 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law), 2173600 points, T:42312, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/antigulp/nethack/dumplog/1570503388.nh.html 17:11 !streak antigulp 17:11 AntiGulp: [hdf-us] antigulp Max[nh363]: 2 (2019-09-30 - 2019-10-12)(current). 17:11 i engrave with a wand of teleport on a no-teleport level. what happens? 17:11 Yesssss 17:11 <@*sans rights> stop pinging me 17:11 nice, antigulp 17:11 The floor feels briefly dizzy 17:11 <@*sans rights> plz 17:12 assuming i wrote in the dust first of course 17:12 hothraxxa: it will not vanish 17:12 Again, no Elbereth, because ewww. 17:12 Sorry, sans rights. 17:12 so no message? 17:12 the same happens if the engraving moves onto the same location 17:13 yes 17:13 no message 17:13 <@*sans rights> can anyone read this? 17:13 <@*sans rights> oh 17:13 <@*sans rights> i think i just will change my name 17:13 <@*sans rights> the * must be causing it to ping me 17:13 Yes. But since I haven't pinged you and I don't intend to, I haven't replied. 17:13 and back to the astral plane, what happens when i'm expert and break a blessed wand of tleport? 17:13 sans rights: Oh, that would make sense. 17:14 and antigulp, please make psyonic wands give a message when engraved 17:14 before i fry my own brain again 17:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14 hothraxxa: Done. Just added a message. 17:15 * hothraxxa *hgus* antigulp 17:15 *Hgus bcak* 17:16 Iā€™m pumped. Two ascension streak, after I didnā€™t ascend for an entire year. 17:17 i think 2 might be my record for nh363 17:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Hum Mal Non), 537 points, T:1514, killed by a brown mold 17:17 yup, it is 17:18 i have a grunt 2-streak that i can still extend though 17:18 I have 4 on 3.6.3, but itā€™s the only version Iā€™ve ascended. 17:18 *3.6.x 17:18 I started playing 3.4.3 in middle school, so I didnā€™t really understand what to do. 17:18 My streak record is 1, set with version 3.4.3. 17:18 oh right. some of mine were 3.6.0 17:18 <@mtf> ahhh shit... @*sans rights I think it's pinging you b/c your name starts with anti 17:18 1, meaning, ascended 1 game in a row. 17:18 <@mtf> yoru act name that is 17:19 * Pinkbeast coughs a bit at 3.4.3 in middle schools 17:19 <@mtf> I think webhooks picks up words that are similar to peoples names, and pings them 17:19 _similar_? 17:19 heh. i had a 3-streak of fourk, jonadab 17:19 <@*sans rights> oh its np though 17:19 Wait, I have 4 overall, but streak of 2. There we go. Also, Iā€™ll avoid talking from now on until it gets fixed, so sans rights doesnā€™t get pinged. 17:19 Shouldn't users be individually responsible for selecting their own hilight criteria? 17:20 -!- Guest65 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632689027195338781/unknown.png 17:20 <@mtf> like just there, antigulp pinged a "wa" because he said "wait" 17:20 <@mtf> that's... not great =/ 17:20 * jonadab currently has hilights set for his surname, the names of his IRC bots, the name of his variant, ... 17:20 <@Silurio> So, which moron pinged everyone? 17:20 *she said ā€œwaitā€ 17:21 @Silurio i think it was @Silurio 17:21 <@mtf> sil, it was a test of the bot webhooks done by mme 17:21 <@mtf> please don't call people morons, it was done accidently 17:21 <@Max Damage> :ping: :ping: :ping: :ping: :ping: 17:21 are fucktards still losing their minds over a ping? 17:21 mtf: Iā€™m a girl, not a guy. 17:21 <@mtf> lol k2 17:21 <@Silurio> The definition of moron doesnt include bad intentions. So it fits 17:22 <@mtf> Considering this was to improve the server, I don't think it does 17:22 * FIQ gives AntiGulp an amulet of change 17:22 <@Silurio> Well, honest mistake, but mistake non the less 17:22 <@mtf> anti: ah, didn't know that šŸ™‚ sorry 17:22 <@mtf> we can agree on that šŸ™‚ sorry for the ping anyway 17:22 yeah mistakes happen. move along 17:22 mtf: All good :) 17:22 <@Silurio> Yeah, sorry for calling somebody moron 17:22 <@Silurio> Anyway, keep up the good work 17:22 <@destravous> what was the all ping for? cant seem to find it 17:23 <@mtf> had to delete a lot of messages b/c this channel was spammed after the ping @destravous 17:23 To make you ask questions, @destravious 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:35256 17:23 Push that boulder up the hill, Sisyphus 17:23 Heh. Put the feathers back in the pillow? 17:23 <@ShivanHunter> With great effort you move the boulder. --more-- 17:24 * K2 sighs 17:24 "I posted a message to usenet in 2001, I was young and stupid, how do I delete it now?" 17:25 @mtf so there's no way to remove all pings except for specifics users? 17:25 * hothraxxa sends a killbot after jonadab's post 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:35305 17:25 But you'd deny Google Groupers the fun of replying to it saying "is this still for sale?" 17:25 <@mtf> k2: that appears to be the case, yea 17:25 fail 17:25 <@mtf> the only modular ping control we have is over here / everyone 17:25 <@mtf> otherwise it's all pings or none 17:26 so can you have the bot *ignore* certain phrases? 17:26 seems like... an oversight 17:26 <@mtf> it's an issue with discord, not the bot 17:26 <@mtf> but... we can probably code the bot to do what we want 17:26 or 17:26 <@mtf> I'd have to add a list of roles... 17:26 have the bot do this: sees atnethack, changes it to @mtf 17:26 <@mtf> but that still wouldn't stop the partial-matching pings 17:26 I should really talk on hardfought through my discord account. My IRC app is sketchy as heck 17:26 <@mtf> lolol 17:27 <@mtf> why, so I can instantly yell at them 17:27 <@Hamster> Who the fuck pinged everyone? 17:27 omg 17:27 another one 17:27 <@mtf> ... sigh. Me @Hamster 17:27 <@Hamster> D: 17:27 <@mtf> accidental ping when upgrading the irc bot 17:27 Maybe a rich and vibrant bot scene, EvilRLD pings everyone every time, SLERLD s/all adjectives/fleecy/, etc... 17:27 <@Hamster> Word, no worries 17:27 <@mtf> yea, sorry about that 17:27 @mtf dont apologize 17:28 Pinkbeast: was that on purpose :P 17:28 you apologize for things like 'sorry I tooka dump in your new boots' 17:28 <@mtf> eh, it's my fault, should have tested it in a private channel 17:28 * hothraxxa takes a dump in k2's boots, apologizes 17:28 <@mtf> lolll 17:28 thats legit 17:28 its a canadian sorry 17:29 right 17:29 cures all things 17:29 I only expect cats to crap in new boots and they never apologise for anything 17:29 <@mtf> canadians are passive aggressive? 17:29 sorry, no 17:29 ok back to the fire 17:29 LarienTelrunya: If that did anything but produce words in IRC, no :-/ 17:30 * hothraxxa sets k2's boots on fire 17:31 <@*sans rights> @K2 why are you so toxic to ppl nethack isnt a roguelike in the first place and irc has nothing to do with discord so you should be thankful this bot channel is even set up 17:31 <@*sans rights> instead of bullying ppl who ask about who pinged everyone 17:31 <@Mx. Eldritch> whomst pinged me? 17:31 ummmm no 17:32 <@Mx. Eldritch> oh, whoops, I see 17:32 <@mtf> yea, accidental ping during upgrade @Mx. Eldritch , my bad 17:34 hmm.. lets see if this does anything 17:34 mtfwhatever 17:34 weird that that doesn't ping me 17:34 mtf: hi 17:34 I'm trying to figure out what AntiGulps message from beholder is pinging Anti on the discord side 17:35 mtfI see 17:35 AntiGulp like this? 17:35 Wait, test 17:35 AntiGulp: hmm 17:35 I can log off for the night so that I donā€™t start randomly pinging people. I donā€™t want to bother anyone. 17:35 that did it 17:35 is this your problem? 17:35 maybe it has to be a capital letter? 17:35 Mtf 17:35 nope... wtf 17:35 mtfI: test 17:36 see 17:36 see that pings 17:36 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 17:36 that does it 17:36 but look, if I just say Wait at the start 17:36 it pings a "wa" user 17:36 Wait, test 17:36 how weird is that 17:36 the bot is way too parse-happy 17:36 disable it 17:36 I'm pretty sure this is a discord issue lol 17:36 but maybe not 17:37 <@FIQ> no 17:37 <@FIQ> mtf: this will not do anything 17:37 <@FIQ> it's the bot that tries to translate it to a discord ping 17:37 <@FIQ> and matches too lazily 17:37 right, but why does it try to ping? I would expect pings to only work with an @ symbol in front 17:37 like 17:37 <@FIQ> you're better off just disabling the feature that does the conversion 17:37 mtf 17:38 @mtf 17:38 <@FIQ> I mean, Beholder already deals with discord translations on its own 17:38 <@FIQ> and does it correctly 17:38 <@FIQ> !who 17:38 hmm 17:38 @FIQ: [hdf-us] Undaunter [nh363] oh6 [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] luxor [slshm] sflicht [dnh] hothraxxa [fh] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] jt [nh363] spontiff [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:38 must be another bug 17:39 <@Plisp> !set mintc 5000 17:39 <@*sans rights> @*sans rightsGulp its fine i just muted the channel 17:39 <@FIQ> he left IRC 17:39 <@FIQ> !mintc 50 17:39 <@*sans rights> She I thought 17:40 <@FIQ> er yes she 17:40 <@FIQ> but still 17:40 <@FIQ> she left IRC 17:40 <@*sans rights> but yeah it doesnt bother me at all with it muted so its really all good 17:40 <@mtf> I hate causing people to mute stuff =/ makes me feel bad 17:40 <@FIQ> @Plisp I don't think the bot can do that 17:40 <@FIQ> however, it does handle !tells 17:40 <@FIQ> afaik 17:40 !tell @FIQ right? 17:40 I'm on it, FIQ. 17:40 <@FIQ> hmm 17:40 @FIQ: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-12 17:40 EDT: right? 17:40 <@FIQ> yep 17:41 <@Plisp> oh rip 17:41 !mintc 17:41 !set mintc 17:41 K2: how did I change this 17:41 <@mtf> what is mintc anyway 17:42 <@FIQ> if I have a mintc of 1000 17:42 <@FIQ> deaths that occur under 1000 turns aren't reported 17:42 <@mtf> oh gotcha 17:42 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 17:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Hlf Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4647 17:50 rebatela, now I'm rocking a dragonhide mummywrapping 17:50 this is silly 17:50 there's no way a mummy wrapping should give me +9AC 17:51 you got a wish? 17:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55 whoa priest locate level bones 17:55 twice in a row I think 17:55 Karnac's this time 17:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bin Hlf Mal Non), 7410 points, T:7270, killed by a housecat 18:07 no wish, it was just a death drop 18:07 and it's the lamest item, and too good on AC not to wear 18:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 54799 points, T:15523, killed by a death ray 18:11 OK, so 18:12 not only did Karnac die on the priest locate level once, they encountered their own bones and died again 18:14 And they apparently found some barbarian bones with the heart of ahriman 18:15 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 18:25 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:26 wow oh6 you got all of that in a bones file? 18:32 congrats jt 18:34 !lastlog K2 10 18:35 Whoops 18:39 :P 18:39 grats jilles 18:40 -!- luxidream has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40 FIQ its !setmintc 18:40 18:40 or no number to disable 18:40 !commands 18:40 K2: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 18:41 ahh 18:41 <@Plisp> !setminc 5000 18:42 <@Plisp> thanks 18:44 is @*sans rights antigulp? 18:44 asking for a friend 18:46 <@K2> @*sans rights 18:46 <@K2> heh neat 18:48 <@K2> @*sans rights if me complaining about folks freaking out about being pinged is 'bullying' in your eyes, you might want to toughen up just a wee bit 18:49 <@K2> rofl 18:49 <@K2> does #safespace exist? 18:50 hey K2... that's mean. stop bullying 18:50 <@K2> wtf 18:50 :P 18:51 does anyone else talk to themselves from irc to discord and back or is that just a me thing? 18:51 That's clearly... 18:51 <@bloodnok> ... a silly thing to do 18:51 probably right 18:52 i least when i talk to myself I dont use a bullhorn anymore 18:52 that was an awkward phase 18:53 hashtag #crickets 19:02 <@JP> I think everyone does it at times. If I had a bullhorn I'd probably try that. 19:02 K2: made pets seek out hostile monsters to attack 19:03 <@JP> Not very familiar at all with playing through terminal - I saw there's a drop-down list for tilesets, but there isn't an option to pick Evilhack. Does that imply there are no tilesets for it? 19:03 @JP not yet 19:04 I was actually working on uping monsters.txt earlier today but tile2bmp is giving me issues 19:04 it thinks a monster template should be at location X when it's already present in the right sport according to src/monst.c 19:04 *spot 19:04 FIQ ok, will update soon 19:04 <@JP> Huh, that's weird. 19:05 yeah 19:05 i'll figure it out 19:05 i'll pick AntiGulp's brain when she's on next, she's a pro at making tilesets 19:06 <@JP> If you're looking at the list of objects that need mapping, do you check src/monst.c in addition to src/[items], etc.? 19:06 * K2 needs to learn to update the evilhack changelog per commit instead of waiting and having to knock out backlog of about 120 19:06 K2: I always update the changelog as I make new commits 19:07 yeah i process objects.txt seperately 19:07 FIQ yeah so does aosdict. i need to get into that habit 19:07 <@JP> I didn't appreciate how much of a pain a thorough changelog could be until I had to write one for the first time, lol 19:07 I try to remember to do that. Occasionally I actually remember. 19:07 heh 19:08 K2: does hdf have webterm? 19:08 if so, link 19:08 I'm trying to surmount the next challenge, not to put two unrelated things into one commit just because I thought of them at the same time 19:08 But yes, it's easier if you do it as you go, rather than trying to go back and fill it in later. 19:08 @JP there's a chance evilhack 0.4 will be available for online play this weekend. i'll try to have a working tileset along with it 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:38056 19:08 Pinkbeast: Heh, indeed. 19:08 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/hterm/ <--- FIQ 19:08 Pinkbeast: you should see my first fiqhack commits 19:09 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 42330 points, T:5996, killed by a lynx, while praying 19:09 (Though I don't mind slipping extremely minor stuff like comment typo fixes and TODO list changes, into other commits.) 19:09 <@JP> @K2 Awesome, thanks! 19:09 I always did a lot of unrelated things for each commit in the beginning 19:09 o/ 19:09 oh man 19:09 my early commits to grunthack.. dont even look 19:09 its sad 19:09 My early Fourk commits tend to be single-issue commits. 19:09 i am still surprised Tangles_ didnt try to reach through the screen and kill me 19:10 But there was a reason. 19:10 I was doing them for NH4, and did not trust myself to necessarily get them all right. 19:10 I guess it's better than the old days of the DT going "here's the 3.3.0 beta and you can diff the entire source tree if you like" 19:10 So I made each thing a separate branch and was going to let someone else approve them _individually_. 19:10 oh dope, firebrand is considered a short sword in Evilhack 19:10 no wonder it was god-gifted 19:11 Which never happened because it was post-4.3.0 work, and 4.3.0 was two weeks from release for... ever. 19:11 AntiVirus so is frost brand 19:11 yeah I see that 19:11 from xNethack 19:11 bringing short swords back into style 19:11 yeeeaya 19:11 heheh 19:11 Pinkbeast: Well, in fairness to them, a LOT of projects didn't use good source control back then. 19:11 K2: https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/bc51333f5e0004ca2061b212237446cedef54e4a 19:11 at first I was like..wtf am I supposed to to with this 19:11 At least, initially. 19:12 Sure, I just mean, we started with lower expectations :-) 19:12 lol FIQ 19:12 Yeah. 19:12 FIQ have you ever read through the first grunthack commits? 19:12 * jonadab is afraid to look at that link. 19:12 specifically 0.1.0 and 0.2.0 ? 19:12 I don't feel like reading a bible, no 19:12 'plus there are other things I didnt mention. have fun!' 19:13 FIQ: Eh, at least your commit message wasn't "new features and some bug fixes" 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:55262 19:13 jonadab: I always tried to at least describe what I did in each commit as much as I could, from the very beginning 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:55268 19:14 I miss all the POWDER comments describing Lait's degree of drunkenness when he wrote them 19:14 This after not doing so very well in an unrelated SVN repo for a web site I developed a few years prior 19:14 And trying to figure out what commit did something being a huge pain 19:14 we all learn the hard way 19:15 did DT ever use SVN for NetHack? 19:15 I think they went straight from CVS to git 19:15 but the early grunthack commits, so huge i almost decided against adding obj properties 19:15 and just a mess 19:15 somehow I figured it out 19:15 gz 19:16 obj properties is a very large change 19:16 but you should have used the dynahack code 19:16 and my implementation isnt as robust as others 19:16 less buggy 19:16 FIQ I tried looking at yours and dyna 19:16 than the grunthack one 19:16 mine will do no good unless you feel like also rewriting the trinsic system 19:16 from scratch 19:16 right 19:16 but dynahack's wouldn't require that 19:16 it was too different 19:17 maybe i'll have another peak at dynahack's implementation 19:17 now that i have it in 19:19 FIQ: They went from CVS to git, yeah. 19:20 Before CVS, there is evidence they used SCCS. 19:20 And before that, the version control system was a person. 19:20 Who applied patches send to him by email. 19:22 If the NetHack dev team ever used RCS (what _most_ open-source projects used before CVS), I'm not aware of it. 19:22 And yeah, no SVN or anything else of that generation either, they held onto CVS until it was clearly time to move to a distributed system. 19:23 not the team, maybe single devs did? 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 41703 points, T:12636, killed by an energy vortex 19:23 Oh, on their individual systems? Possibly. 19:23 WHOAH energyvortex...don't fuck with those 19:23 I wonder if there's a history of what each generation of version control added on top of the last 19:23 AFAIK, before CVS they mailed patches to Izchak who compiled and probably distributed the authorative version 19:23 you shouldn't attack energy vortices in melee if you don't have lightning resistance 19:23 for example, what new thing SVN brought to the table 19:23 then git 19:24 etc 19:24 yeah not in Evil 19:24 EPI: a type of trap that blinds you and summons d6 energy vortices. 19:24 they're much less dangerous when attacked from range 19:24 even if you throw things at them from inside them 19:24 ah 19:24 monkbate 19:24 AntiVirus, they can do a lot of damage in vanilla as well 19:24 ok yet another thing to keep in mind 19:25 one more no-melee monster 19:25 AntiVirus I didnt change energy vorticies - no need to 19:25 what is the really important stuff 3.6.0 did over 3.4.3? 19:25 already evil 19:25 I guess they never really caused me much trouble 19:25 things that would be worth mentioning on a changelog for a 3.4.3 variant 19:25 FIQ: There's probably info on that on Wikipedia, if you look up each one. 19:25 And the "comparison of" article. 19:25 but then again, I'm not really in the habit of of playing melee classes 19:26 It won't be well summarized there, though. 19:26 if trapped inside an energy vortex, range attack it 19:26 yeah he messed me up fast 19:26 I could have, I had many wands of cold/fire 19:26 ahh, ranged weapon characters in NetHack 19:26 i've learned that lesson the hard way 19:26 the role type I play the least 19:26 due to weapon swap annoyances 19:26 I guess fiqhack makes it less painful with autoswap, but I still avoid them 19:26 right and general squishyness 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38756 19:27 FIQ: the number of version control systems is surprisingly low, at least if we go by most popular. you have git, svn, cvs, rcs, sccs and then we are already in the 1970s 19:27 K2: In vanilla, you can just throw any random thing at them from inside, then pick it back up, throw it again, etc., until the v dies. 19:27 yeah 19:27 I don't know if they had any VCS in the 1960s 19:27 hah i see where this is going... 19:27 bhaak: are there any somewhat major alternatives besides hg to git? 19:27 so it really is just a gotcha if you're not in the know 19:28 afaik back when git wasn't as widespread, hg got rather decent traction as well 19:28 but I don't really see it much nowdays 19:28 bhaak: I think there were systems a little before sccs, but they were quite primitive. 19:28 part of the beauty of nethack: if you're stuck, you can stop, take a break, consult the wiki, friends, here, etc and take your time 19:28 And probably not worth mentioning in the kind of brief summary that leaves out competitors like DARCS. 19:28 FIQ: not in popularity. but in concept, there is at least fossil, darcs, and bazaar 19:28 sometimes you get caught in the moment and just power through anyways 19:28 bhaak: Mercurial also. 19:29 Oh, wait, he said that one already. 19:29 nvm 19:29 so many times I should have just stopped and reassessed the situation :) 19:29 didn't ais use darcs at some point for acehack 19:29 yes 19:29 Yes. 19:29 DARCS has some advantages over git. 19:29 bhaak, and monotone; somewhat like git but available earlier and with a poor implementation 19:29 I'm sure 19:29 But also some disadvantages. 19:29 and vice versa too 19:29 K2 yep, I thought, this sucker is toast 19:30 bhaak: ibm 360/os had something called smp 19:30 I'll just hit him again 19:30 The main reason to choose git over DARCS at this point, or vice versa, is "we want to use the same vcs everyone else is using" versus "we do not like monoculture and want to promote alternatives". 19:30 iirc when I looked at darcs, it seemed like it had some cool stuff but made up for it with really major disadvantages 19:30 but that might have been some other version control system 19:30 The former (use what others are using) is the stronger argument when others *working with the same codebase* are using it. 19:31 For new projects, the avoid-monoculture argument would have some appeal. 19:32 ass kicking monk, reduced to dead in two turns of fighting with vortex 19:32 FIQ: A key technical thing about DARCS is that its basic unit of data is the patch, as opposed to the way a git commit is a fixed state of the codebase. 19:34 In principle, the DARCS approach is probably better. But git has some very major backing from very important projects and technical minds that essentially guarantee it will be well maintained for the next Good Long While. 19:34 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:34 Also, more programmers already know how to use git. 19:35 jonadab: that sounds like it'd make darcs useless on bigger projects 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:39013 19:35 I mean, git blame can be slow on some NetHack files due to the large history 19:36 but NetHack still isn't that large of a project 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:39032 19:36 so a version control system made entirely of patches sounds like it'd be painful on large projects when you need to traverse version history 19:39 DARCS's algorithms have some situations where they go exponential 19:40 but there are newer VCSes that use concepts from DARCS and try to be better than git 19:40 In principle, storage is cheap enough these days that it wouldn't be unreasonable to store both patches and states. 19:42 What I want to see, though, is a VCS that isn't strictly line-based. 19:43 So that things like an "ignore whitespace and comments" switch can recognize "this line break got inserted, breaking a long line into two lines" as a whitespace change. 19:44 isn't there a flag for git diffs that ignores whitespace 19:44 And, more importantly, so that two unrelated changes on adjacent lines don't conflict when merging. 19:44 FIQ: Yes, but only within lines. 19:46 I mean, imagine if changing the first argument of a function call, and changing the third argument of a function call, were separate changes and did not conflict with each other for merging purposes. 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39328 19:47 hah... 102 entries to the change log 19:47 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/b86410086cd0...3550b4274e70 19:47 I realize this requires the VCS to know a lot more about the syntax of the language you're working in. 19:47 But it ought to be POSSIBLE. 19:48 hmm more like 98-99 19:48 but still... 19:56 The Eyes of the Overworld protect against several gaze attacks 19:56 does this include beholders 19:57 >Tame dragons don't drop scales 19:57 I don't understand this change 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 52865 points, T:22574, petrified by a cockatrice 19:58 >New object: crystal chest 19:58 why? there is crystal large chests already 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:00 @mtf you failed to get rid of the cronjob restarting rld 20:00 it just performed its 4hourly restart 20:01 <@mtf> ... 20:01 <@mtf> you're kidding 20:01 00:00:00 <-- | rld (~rld@104.140.104.133) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 20:01 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632729706629955584/unknown.png 20:02 <@mtf> but the cron isn't even listed in pm2 now... 20:02 <@mtf> I even deleted the original config and recreated it lol 20:04 <@mtf> well.. let me try something else 20:04 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:05 test 20:05 test2 20:05 why are you pinging me? 20:06 kk lets give that shot 20:06 who pinged you hoth? 20:06 hehe yanking your chain 20:06 =P 20:06 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 20:08 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:08 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 ugh 20:10 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:10 test3 20:11 <@mtf> ok, we should be good now 20:11 <@mtf> should be no more restarts 20:18 extinctionist question: if I summon 120 of a creature, will that be the end of them by me casting Create Monster or zapping a wand or reading a scroll? Or are they only done /randomly/ spawning? 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Sharpie Pen", on T:41477 20:21 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Extinctionism 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:41680 20:23 hahah hothraxxa 20:23 sorry FIQ started working on something else 20:24 1) yes includes beholder attacks 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 931 points, T:1682, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 20:24 <@Umby> lot of bots in here suddenly 20:24 bouquet: the former 20:24 2) what do you not understand about tame dragons not dropping scales? 20:24 <@Umby> šŸ‘€ 20:25 <@Umby> seriously what gives 20:25 3) no there are not crystal chests already 20:25 umby: are you talking about discord ? 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3750 20:25 <@Umby> Mhm 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1906 points, T:3751, killed by a water demon, while helpless 20:26 thank you, rebatela. So even if I've summoned via spell/scroll/wand 120 giant ants, I could continue to summon them? 20:26 no 20:26 @mtf so what has changed with the rld bot now? 20:26 i think they're done 20:26 right, that was a trick question! 20:26 lol 20:26 or I was momentarily confused. 20:26 <@mtf> sooo 20:27 well, I feel like I've summoned a zillion of everything. I'm surprised I haven't seen an archon yet. 20:27 <@mtf> rld now no longer restarts, I'm hoping that the one-sided disconnection issues have been resolved 20:27 cool 20:27 <@mtf> it is also no longer possible to ping everyone / here from irc 20:27 <@mtf> that's pretty much it 20:27 more cool 20:27 what about atnethack 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:41832 20:28 <@mtf> nothing I can do right now unfortunately =/ discord doesn't support modular role pinging. What I might be able to do is take a liist of our channels and just write some code to stop the bot from sending the @'s for em as actual pings 20:28 or any other 'at' phrase that would get the hordes attention? 20:28 <@mtf> will need some time to sit down and look at it 20:29 ok 20:29 K2: I was asking the reasoning behind the change 20:29 @ dragon scale drops 20:29 It doesn't really make much sense to me 20:29 <@mtf> I'm ok with leaving it for now, if somebody abuses it then we can always just disable all pings from the bot 20:29 <@mtf> but I'd really prefer not to do that =/ 20:29 in the interim please create #safespace for those that dont know how to deal with being pinged once every 6 months and think i am bullying them when i call out their shenanigans 20:30 <@mtf> one thing I do have control over is ignoring all messages from specific users, irc or discord side 20:30 <@mtf> so if we have some people who abuse this we can add them to the shadowban list 20:30 ah 20:30 so FIQ is getting banned then 20:30 <@mtf> lolll 20:30 :) 20:31 @mtf K2 could always ban them on IRC side 20:31 <@Umby> @rebatela#0000 Yes, I was 20:31 <@Umby> in case my answer got missed 20:31 <@mtf> if he's around, yea that would be a good solution for the meantime 20:31 for a while I had op powers here, it was remomved eventually 20:31 FIQ: a couple folks recommened that tame dragons should never drop scales because of pet abuse 20:31 seemed legit 20:31 perhaps because I vanished 20:31 brb 20:31 <@Umby> @rebatela 20:31 <@Umby> I can ping I swear 20:32 <@mtf> haha 20:32 K2: hmm, I think a better solution would be to have the pet turn on the player 20:32 <@mtf> fiq you still have "channel mod" permissions here 20:32 <@mtf> can pin things / manage other peoples messages 20:32 @mtf cool. I don't have IRC mod access anymore, though :P 20:32 <@mtf> oh, right 20:33 I think I and Mandevil was given it at some point 20:33 doesn't seem to have lasted 20:33 for either of us 20:33 don't know why, don't really care either 20:33 hmm 20:33 artifacts should warn against their type 20:34 I should port the thing I had in one of my branches with major work put in it 20:34 where I made artifact monster targeting more versatile 20:34 allowing it to target several things at once rather than just one thing 20:35 for example, dragons + Woodland-elves + covetous monsters 20:35 then I can also extend object properties in a similar way 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:41976 20:36 make them able to warn of, or be strong against, a certain kind of monster 20:36 or kinds 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:42001 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 helm of opposite alignment", on T:42043 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:42047 20:39 <@Umby> Well, Anhur ain't gonna be happy about that 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7440 20:39 <@Umby> :B 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Fem Law), 1203975 points, T:42047, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonathanhanes/nethack/dumplog/1570422709.nh.html 20:40 <@Umby> GG 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 906 points, T:966, killed by a wolf 20:43 congrats 20:46 thank you 20:47 <@Umby> you're a bot too!? 20:47 <@Umby> smh I knew that run was fake!!! 20:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a housecat, on T:8529 20:48 <@Umby> kidding aside the sudden Discord bot takeover is gonna take some getting used to :B 20:48 bot takeover? 20:49 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/632741549368672281/Screenshot_2019-10-12_at_20.48.53.png 20:49 oh 20:50 <@Umby> ye 20:52 alrighty... lets get a tileset made for evilhack 21:02 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 554 points, T:1024, killed by an orc zombie 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:9244 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 467 points, T:854, killed by a little dog 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] ats (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:17630 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:18301 21:28 <@Andrio Celos> @magicbymcluxey 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] masterofpi (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 626 points, T:898, killed by a dwarf 21:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3920 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3188 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18821 21:44 The door opens. You see a soldier ant hatch. 21:45 <@Umby> Mama? 21:46 it was yummy. it almost killed me, and i had to pray. But it was a delicious soldier ant 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4267 22:02 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 22:03 Did somebody say tilesets 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15900 22:06 AntiGulp 22:06 hi 22:06 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 22:06 thank god lol 22:06 Welcome to the hell that is nethack tiles 22:07 Iā€™m your guide, antigulp 22:07 Youā€™re on lesson 0: Oh god why did I wait until I had already added a billion things to start making tiles 22:07 so i edited the perl script that came with nethack to have it sort entries for monsters.txt and other.txt 22:07 seemed to work fine 22:07 but when running tile2bmp its saying all sorts of things are out of order and they arent 22:08 i'm stuck 22:08 and this makes me sad 22:08 Tile2bmp will spit out errors a lot of the time when it shouldnā€™t. When I run it in splice I get several hundred. 22:09 gah 22:09 I recommend compiling a tiled version. Thatā€™s a good way to perform a safety check. 22:09 other.txt should be up to date. monsters.txt and objects.txt is still missing entries but i was using tile2bmp to help guide me on what to add and where 22:10 ah. 22:10 and its fubar 22:10 hah the nymph robbed the shopkeeper. awesome 22:10 <@Umby> charisma discount 22:10 <@Umby> :B 22:10 do me a quick solid? pull master branch evilhack and try and make a tileset for it as is 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed bag of holding", on T:16477 22:11 nice 22:11 its much easier to get the nymph 22:11 K2: Sure 22:11 thanks 22:11 i was literally working on this 5 min ago 22:11 and went 'man I wish antigulp was here' 22:11 yeah i just took the cash from the nymph 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5159 points, T:4575, killed by a bolt of lightning 22:11 and poof here you are 22:12 K2: I scan the irclog occasionally, even when Iā€™m not online :) 22:12 \o/ 22:12 I had a solid Monk game earlier, but ran into an energy vortex 22:12 AntiVirus: Energy vorticies are awful :( 22:12 and learned that previously when playing wizards, forcebolt was my go-to for getting engulfed 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:57302 22:12 so I was caught out not realizing Melee was a BAD IDEA 22:13 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13 lesson learned, but dude he messed me up in 2 turns 22:13 <@Umby> It's a tornado 22:13 <@Umby> made of lightning 22:13 <@Umby> you don't just punch those 22:13 there's no place like home! 22:13 hehehe 22:13 energy vortices are the worst 22:14 I'm like, shoot I think I'll have better luck asking out random girls right now 22:14 than playing EH 22:14 K2: I canā€™t even compile evilhack. It errors out, and I get tons of warnings. I run with really strict make rules. 22:14 This is truly evil 22:14 <@Umby> I had to deal with like 22:14 wut 22:14 <@Umby> Two? 22:14 energy vortices suck in vanilla too though 22:14 <@Umby> finishing my hellish Sokoban from yesterday? 22:14 <@Umby> thankfully that tourist is still alive 22:14 i have died to them in sokoban so many times 22:14 what rules are you using? 22:14 yeah they do, but wiz has forcebolt, and I think I had the reflex to just cast that 22:14 <@Umby> and now has a bag of holding 22:14 without really realizing why 22:14 <@Umby> all I lost was a wand of digging 22:15 <@Umby> (and my goddamn mind, but that was from trying to stealth out two floors full of encounters) 22:15 yeah it was Soko 1 22:15 of course it was... they are so out of place there 22:15 i mean.. i've come to accept it. but that's not an evilhack thing at all 22:15 <@Umby> If you scroll up you can read about me going nuts as I tried to beat a horde of enemies with literally 6 strength 22:16 oh man 22:16 <@Umby> and only being halfway through 22:16 what happned 22:16 <@Umby> bees. 22:16 sucks 22:16 Prayer will sometimes restore strength 22:16 <@Umby> making it to Sokoban was a godsend in itself 22:16 <@Umby> yeah but I couldn't take that chance that I might get fucked and lose out on an emergency heal 22:16 if you have nothing else 22:17 energy vortex in soko (talking vanilla) have ruined more good games of mine than probably anything 22:17 <@Umby> so I had to stick it out using everything I had on hand including several wands and most of my starting darts 22:17 yeah aparently the pro tip is to throw ANYTHING 22:17 <@Umby> (which I had to get annoyingly close because LOL 6 STRENGTH) 22:17 I had wands...cold, striking etc etc 22:17 <@Umby> had to take out woodland elves 22:17 <@Umby> poison arrow wielding Uruks 22:17 <@Umby> I think a panther or two 22:17 monks get shock resistance at 15 22:17 <@Umby> a gnome king 22:18 <@Umby> a second gnome king what snuck up on me 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:19814 22:18 <@Umby> and finally a unicorn that I'd been working towards by killing everything else 22:18 <@Umby> it was harrowing mostly because I had to hyper focus and any blunder meant I just lose 22:19 !rng splicehack or evilhack 22:19 bug_sniper: evilhack 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:57399 22:20 haha i'm like why is the general store guy offering me credit? (oh yeah, the nymph picked his pocket and i have his bankroll) 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "+3 greased blessed fixed gauntlets of power", on T:19819 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Master of Thieves, on T:18999 22:21 :o 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19001 22:23 <@Umby> Hoorah 22:23 <@Umby> Hopefully this Tourist can join you 22:23 <@Umby> and find some weapons that aren't daggers 22:23 <@Umby> Unihorn is nice but I need some more pizzazz 22:25 Is tourist fun to play? Itā€™s been years since Iā€™ve played one. 22:26 how do you break through bars in evilhack? 22:26 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 22:26 force bolt 22:26 !who 22:26 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [nh363] ats [nh363] Undaunter [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] oh6 [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] bugsniper [evil] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] 22:26 and I assume pick axes 22:26 I see you're playing evilhack too 22:26 rebatela 22:26 what role are you bug_sniper 22:27 a wizard 22:27 force bolt them 22:27 done 22:28 <@Umby> Tourist can be p. fun 22:28 <@Umby> it's a bit of a literal gamble tho 22:29 dang - unihorn doesn't heal attribute loss in evilhack? what do you use instead? 22:30 The spell 22:30 ic 22:30 potions 22:30 prayers 22:30 Failing that, the potion or sometimes prayer. 22:30 Or fountain quaffing. 22:30 yeah the unicorn horn thing is an adjustment 22:30 stay away from mindflayers and poisons 22:30 that's pretty painful - I'm totally dependent on unhorn (like a drug) 8^P 22:31 I know how you feel 22:31 <@Umby> lol 22:31 <@Umby> same 22:31 <@Umby> it helps to make restore ability not suck though 22:31 I like unihorn so much, that's one item that I wished existed in real life, hehehe 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 226 points, T:986, burned by molten lava 22:32 a cure-all ^^ 22:32 nymph with a smoky potion. that could be very good 22:33 youi know it's evilhack when you can jump into burning lava at level 2 without a prompt 22:33 dang - that's cruel 22:33 yeah I tend to favor travel when walking near lava 22:33 and water 22:33 or flying 22:34 you're playing the wrong game if you need to be asked "ARe you sure you want to jump in the lava and die Y/N ? " 22:34 VotD and G next - time for a break... 22:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 50 points, T:149, zombified by a kobold zombie 22:34 <@Umby> I've learned not to lean on travel in Nethack 22:34 <@Umby> I don't really use it at all as a result 22:35 why not? 22:35 it hasn't bitten me yet 22:35 you want travel into lavel 22:35 lavaa 22:35 lava 22:35 won't 22:35 damn 22:35 yeah I think it's safer than my inputs 22:35 you basically need to travel in evilhack 22:35 kind of a weird game - Xp:13, cleared castle and no sign of ?oEnchant Armor yet... ...we'll see if I can find some in VotD, G, or quest... 22:37 yeah that sucks eraserhead 22:38 !who 22:38 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] ats [nh363] Undaunter [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] oh6 [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] bugsniper [evil] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] djm2000 [nh363] 22:38 some times when it reaches that point, it is worth writing it unknown... 22:38 it's not that hard with maxed luck 22:38 if you have marker charges that is 22:38 I've never attempted that before, but if nothing turns up by quest completion, I'll try it - thx for tip ^^ 22:39 I mean, I've never attempted to write it unknown (except as max-luck wiz) 22:39 I'm samurai this time (random) 22:40 and you don't have any unID'd scrolls on you? 22:40 nope - checked them all out - also bought out shops 22:40 it's a 1/3 chance 22:40 wow 22:40 with maxed luck 22:41 it's not as hard as it seems people think.. so by middle game when you have markers etc. it's definitely worth doing depending on the ink you have/how much scroll or spelbook costs 22:41 I think you're right - 1/3 isn't that bad, if MM charges are sufficient 22:42 <@Umby> So I think I just found a lich 22:42 hehe - GL - those are first on my geno list (h is next) 22:42 <@Umby> IT'S A FUCKING ARCH LICH 22:42 hope you have a MB (and are a Wiz) 22:42 <@Umby> who the fuck died and what idiocy did they engage in 22:43 Chameleon? 22:43 <@Umby> It just came pre-invis and summoned nasties 22:43 damn 22:43 <@Umby> I engraved Elbereth and got the fuck out of there 22:43 but don't ever do it without high luck 22:43 They'll do that, yeah. 22:43 Bring a scare monster scroll maybe 22:43 If you can't genocide them 22:43 @Umby you're not playing on #hardfought? 22:43 <@Umby> no, mobile like usual 22:43 you need to change that ;) 22:43 ic 22:43 <@Umby> as noted in #nethack 22:44 why don't you play with us ? 22:44 <@Umby> as explained multiple times before, my keyboad is kinda shit for coordinating movement and I kinda hate this computer so I'm not to inclined to invest in adapting my options to it 22:45 do you have a fullsize with number pad? 22:45 <@Umby> nope 22:45 <@Umby> that's the crux of the problem 22:45 steal one from work 22:45 or get a cheapie 22:45 any fullsize keyboard will do the trick 22:45 and learn vi keys 22:45 or just numberpad it like I do 22:46 <@Umby> that implies I want to stick with this computer any longer than necessary 22:46 we're happy to help you set up putty and your options if you had any questions 22:46 <@Umby> which, as also explained, I kinda hate it 22:46 what's wrong with it? 22:46 <@Umby> it's a Chromebook 22:46 I'm and IT support person 22:46 ah 22:46 <@Umby> so we can start with that 22:46 <@Umby> :keizaNeat: 22:46 well in that case.. 22:46 you are ready to pitch it off a cliff I bet 22:46 one sec 22:46 <@Umby> gonna find an ideal cliff for me? 22:47 did you know about the in-browser hterm 22:47 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/hterm/hterm-us/ 22:47 <@Umby> I do 22:47 if you go here, you can avoid having to install a program 22:47 k' 22:47 <@Umby> but that comes back to the "configuring keyboard" issue 22:47 how do you know if you're being zombified in evilhack? 22:47 <@Umby> it's not about installing 22:47 YOULL KNOW 22:47 lol 22:47 it will say "termillness" 22:47 <@Umby> (though, having to do a bunch of shit to sideload is fucking garbage on an objective level) 22:47 I see, thanks 22:47 <@Umby> mostly I'm committed to finding another more power user-friendly machine 22:47 down on the status bar, lower right 22:48 <@Umby> Windows 10 is a last resort, but I'm willing to put up with even that 22:48 you could hack linux onto that thing 22:48 and run ubuntu or mint 22:48 and have a much more flexible experience 22:48 i'm running (and playing nethack on hdf) on a piece of crap laptop running mint 22:48 <@Umby> yeah but I'm also used to having HDD space, is the other thing 22:49 <@Umby> and more than one USB 22:49 <@Umby> if the power user bit wasn't indicative, I'm a bit spoiled 22:49 <@Umby> but also I think ChromeOS is just kinda shit besides 22:49 well hey the beauty of nethack, you don't need anything more than a chromebook for sure 22:49 <@magicbymcluxey> @Andrio Celos whatā€™s up? 22:49 u just need to be able to ssh to hdf or nao... I can't imagine playing on a phone 22:50 <@Umby> yeah, but it sucks if I want to use it for most other non-nethack things 22:50 what;s the issue with the keyboard 22:50 <@Umby> especially since if the browser chokes literally everything else dies 22:50 <@Umby> no numpad lol 22:50 right 22:50 vi keys 22:51 <@Umby> and we're going in circles now 22:51 <@Umby> I'm aware I can use vi keys, but I'm also aware that I'd much rather use any other OS 22:51 I find VI keys a bit annoying 22:51 <@Umby> which isn't a thing that's tied to nethack, as explained but there you go 22:51 of course 22:52 but if you used to them, you'd have this awakening and realized you were doing it all wrong 22:52 I had no such awakening lol 22:52 <------ former numpad user 22:52 but compared to iOS or Android, ya I'd do that in a second 22:52 I actually have a seperate physical numberpad 22:53 so you actually plug a device in to play nethack the wrong way... amazing 22:53 j/k 22:53 lol 22:53 all good 22:53 you're not alone 22:53 no I seriously like the layout 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Undaunter (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:19884 22:53 plus it's a badass mechanical keyboard 22:53 k2 will be here soon to defend you 22:53 and makes all the feels 22:54 thoughts on making searching deterministic? 22:54 So that you only have to search once to find everything that's hidden 22:54 if you like VI keys, I have a nice 40% keyboard you can play on 22:55 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi8vvKGnpjlAhUOqp4KHZ4YDzYQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmechanicalkeyboards.com%2Fshop%2Findex.php%3Fl%3Dproduct_detail%26p%3D3550&psig=AOvVaw2bugV7q6uU-iyflMdyUceg&ust=1571021704500971 22:55 <@Umby> anyway 22:55 <@Umby> back to Mines 22:55 <@Umby> and the fact that there's a gods damned arch lich 22:55 numpad or death. that is all 22:55 <@Umby> meaning I have to put luck off until I get more items 22:56 K2: fite me 22:56 vikeys for life 22:56 hear! hear! 22:56 vi keys were how you moved in rogue. im like hardwired for it 22:56 perhaps today IS a good day to die 22:56 <@Umby> I could do a madlad thing and dig my way down to Mines' End 22:57 <@Umby> then levelport out 22:58 if only we could watch your game. damn. 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3325 22:58 IKR? 22:58 <@Umby> right?? 22:58 right! 22:58 <@Umby> I wish I'd screenshotted 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 1469 points, T:2000, killed by an orcish arrow 22:58 I mean, I guess he could terminal on mobile 22:58 <@Umby> but I'm not fucking going back down there 22:58 there are SSH clients on there 22:58 but that would be a shit experience 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 554 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:59164 23:06 <@Umby> oh neat 23:06 <@Umby> in my panic I forgot I had like two para potions 23:06 <@Umby> but I was literally surrounded, so that only could have ended not goodly 23:12 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 13549 points, T:8478, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 23:13 oof 23:14 <@Umby> feelsbad 23:14 oh that? dont feel bad 23:14 feel bad when i'm inches from the astral portal and a water elemental suffocates my -72AC ass 23:16 man I remember that 23:16 you were mad 23:17 BUT, as i told k2 it's why i like EH. It reminds me of what drew me to nh in the first place. i like that it's hard 23:17 i wasn't mad at all 23:17 ok. maybe a little ;) 23:17 its ok to have feelings 23:17 for sure 23:18 yeah I know exactly what you mean about the difficulty 23:18 pretty much anything that keeps me learning keeps me interested 23:19 but aparently, evidenced by energy vortexes I still have some vanilla YASDs to learn 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 444 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:60444 23:22 were you like all dragonhide? 23:22 energy vortex isn't a stupid death though 23:22 the way I did it, feels like it 23:22 they're not a threat if you don't melee them 23:22 well not much 23:22 they are fast as hell though 23:23 you can't run away 23:23 ohhhhhhhhhhhh 23:23 love when you get to 1hp and then recover 23:23 nice 23:23 you're not playing on your phone are you? 23:23 good show moon_child 23:23 i need a game to watch. i shouldn't be playing 23:24 well I'm heading out to be sociable 23:24 there ya go 23:24 but I feel like this might be more fun 23:24 AntiVirus: have fun 23:24 but hey 23:24 rebatela: nope, but I'm playing locally 23:24 gotta get out of the chair 23:24 boooo 23:24 have fun man 23:24 thx 23:24 well 23:24 booo was directed towards playing loclally not you going to the bar 23:24 it's a custom fork 23:25 not really ready for public/primetime yet 23:25 oh cool 23:25 will be on servers once it hits 1.0 23:25 (or, rather, 0.0.0E1F0 23:25 ) 23:25 <@Umby> Do tell o: 23:25 awesome 23:25 very cool 23:25 source at github.com/elronnd/slashem-next, if anyone wants to try 23:26 slashem variant? 23:26 yeah 23:26 hell yeah 23:26 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27 :) 23:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:60878 23:27 <@Umby> Slash 23:27 <@Umby> :GWmythiMonkaT: 23:27 i could build this moon_child? 23:27 i have limited skills... 23:27 rebatela: probably 23:27 what OS are you on? 23:27 running mint cinnamon 19.2 23:28 ok 23:29 go apt install tup 23:29 then clone the repo and say make install 23:29 tup? 23:29 tup is the build system I use 23:30 ok i can do that i think 23:31 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 23:32 oh, if you already cloned it, run git pull; I forgot to push an update 23:33 i haven't done anything 23:34 ok 23:34 type sudo apt install tup 23:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:5915 23:34 and then git clone https://github.com/elronnd/slashem-next 23:34 cd slashem-next 23:34 make install 23:36 unable to locate package tup 23:37 ohh 23:37 hmmm 23:37 I thought mint got its packages from ubuntu 23:37 then try: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/tup/tup_0.7.6-2_amd64.deb; sudo dpkg -i tup_*.deb 23:38 <@Andrio Celos> Why you mention us? 23:38 ok. installing tup through the gui thing 23:38 oh, ok 23:38 if that works then great! 23:45 yeah got errors.. i'm looking forward to the game though, moon_child! 23:47 what errors? 23:47 Might need to apt install clang, flex, or bison 23:48 yah clang 23:48 but i want this stuff installed 23:48 installing clang now 23:51 error: implicit declaration of function 'mvwadd_wch' is invalid in C99 [-Werror,-Wimplicit-function-declaration] 23:51 mvwadd_wch(win, y, x, &ch); 23:51 !who 23:51 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] Undaunter [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] Bliss56 [nh363] oh6 [nh363] Grouchy [evil] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 23:52 ahhh, right 23:52 that thing 23:52 what's the output of ncursesw5-config --cflags 23:53 and the output of pkg-config --cflags ncursesw? 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a rust monster, on T:6756 23:57 the function 23:57 error: implicit declaration of function 'mvwadd_wch' is invalid in C99 [-Werror,-Wimplicit-function-declaration] 23:57 mvwadd_wch(win, y, x, &ch); 23:57 whoops sorry. 23:57 possibly fixed now; try git pull and run it again? 23:58 err 23:58 run git pull and try it again* 23:59 it made it a LOT further