00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 376 points, T:951, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2991905 points, T:71601, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1570288360.nh.html 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10461 00:06 <@riker> hm, I wonder if that shirt text oh6 just ascended with is a reference to the song or just in general 00:06 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had an electric blue spellbook given to him by Anhur, on T:3573 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1083 points, T:1041, killed by a gnome 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:3757 00:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3043 points, T:3957, killed by a watch captain 00:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:38 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 00:45 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 196 points, T:877, killed by a small mimic 01:12 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 66 points, T:310, killed by a tapered wooden spike 01:14 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 01:14 !setmintc 25000 01:14 luxidream: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for luxidream set to 25000 01:15 !who 01:15 luxidream: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] richards [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:09 -!- Jonathan_ has joined #hardfought 02:09 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:11 -!- Jonathan__ has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:14 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:30 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:06 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 10631 points, T:6433, killed by a mountain centaur 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:41 -!- Jonathan__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:43 You kill the lizard! Poes eats a lizard corpse. 04:43 story of my life 04:46 * Andrio eats Poes. 04:47 are you an orc or a caveperson? 04:47 No, 04:47 in that case you think eating this housecat corpse is a bad idea. 04:47 who said I killed it first? 04:48 ah, then eating this housecat, dead or alive, was a bad idea. 04:48 mm 04:48 oh it's a large cat 04:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48 so was eating the lizard corpse. 04:48 the housecat is Miezekatze 04:49 they're now eating the minetown watch 04:53 Cats! Not in the shop! 04:59 /me buries wet sand into a little mound. 04:59 it's worse, they killed and ate a watchman in the shop 05:01 eek, found my own bones with an ex-pet green dragon 05:01 still alive? 05:01 fortunately I'm an orc or I'd have been dead from poison breath 05:01 yes, both the ex-pet and I 05:02 so its poison resistance extrinsinc from lvl 5 05:02 no, orcs start with it 05:02 they're not monks 05:02 and I've got a wand of cancellation upstairs 05:03 argh, there was a mumak upstairs so now I'm dead anyway 05:03 of hunger 05:04 nope, of being trampled by a huge elephant 05:06 You hear sound reminiscent of elephants stepping on a peanut! 05:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3484 05:12 use your wand of teleport for the mumak 05:18 too late 05:19 -!- j__ has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- j__ is now known as rebatela 05:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 05:23 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:31 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 05:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 05:34 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46 -!- remirol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 05:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 06:02 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:05 -!- remirol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8246 06:21 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:46 qw 07:47 wq 07:47 wq! 07:47 lol sorry 07:47 ZZ 07:47 ggdG 07:47 iddqd 07:48 kitty cat likes to walk on keyboard. only got to w 07:48 aw thats cute 07:48 wait how do you know you just wrote this and not your cat 07:48 i suppose there was a time when it was "cute" 07:48 please state your opinion about catnip 07:49 kind of on the fence. no strong opinion 07:49 <{Demo}2> decriminalize 07:50 {Demo}2 == cat, qed 07:50 need to reboot. hope i don't miss out on any amazing catnip discussion. brb 07:50 i think the topic is exhausted now 07:51 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:51 exhausted like a cat on a catnip binge 07:54 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:56 rebatela: you missed the most awesome debate about catnip just now 07:56 new philosophical frontiers 07:57 lulz 07:57 I kNEW it 07:58 oh wow. upgraded from mint 19.1 to 19.2 and laptop is noticeably faster ? 07:59 probably just because of the reboot :P 07:59 haha 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:11 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 08:12 -!- dopplerg- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:14 all the services that slowed down your laptop stopped working after the update 08:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:15 how to update linux mint? do i have to make fresh install? using linux min 18..3 sylvia now 08:17 dist-upgrade ? 08:17 apt-get dist-upgrade 08:18 i guess that is 'apt update' now 08:19 no, update just re-fetches the package repositories 08:19 so you'd do `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` oslt 08:19 !PoM 08:19 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 1 day. 08:20 there used to be a button to uprgrade linux mint in menu/preferences/system info 08:20 ah? 08:22 i guess im stuck 08:24 maybe the apt sources for mint 18 and 19 are different 08:26 cat /etc/apt/sources.list 08:26 what does it say 08:32 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:52 morning morning 08:52 o/ 08:53 howzit? 08:53 ^ hawaiian slang for 'how are you' 08:54 Rather tired, but not bad thanks 08:54 well, that may be an overstatement 08:55 How are you? 08:55 :) 08:55 ok... just got here at work 08:55 so far nothing too crazy (yet) 08:55 Ah 08:55 company website is no longer blacklisted... yay 08:55 fucking marketing people... 08:56 :o 08:56 what'd they do? 08:56 few months ago they created an aggressive marketing straegy, part of which was to send email out to existing customers 08:56 except it sent out to more than just those 08:57 to include a spam trap that SORBS maintains 08:57 oops 08:57 nice marketing strategy to market to someone whos already a customer 08:57 at least you can brag about 100% being customers after the campaign 08:58 so long story short, i discovered we were listed on SORBS, took a couple weeks but we're now off 08:58 HR was trying to fill out some online forms with a couple diff companies and the online form was saying our email domainw as invalid which led me to check 08:58 *was 08:59 ah... 08:59 yeah 08:59 nice to come in and have something positive start your day hahah 09:00 Mm 09:00 lets go ruin that by seeing who has broken what this morning. be back in a few ;) 09:00 <@Umby> Hello 09:00 Hello @Umby, Welcome to #hardfought 09:00 heya Umby 09:01 <@Umby> Speaking of good mornings, I paused my Rogue run for the moment and started fiddling with Tourists instead 09:01 <@Umby> This run I just got two straight level gains from an incubus 09:01 <@Umby> Probably a benefit of nat. 18 Cha 09:01 <@Umby> Still very good 09:03 It's not entirely. 09:03 Just luck. 09:04 <@Umby> only thing that sucks is I still haven't found a "proper" melee weapon 09:04 <@Umby> been getting mileage out of my daggers but a runed shiv can only take you so far :B 09:04 I... don't exactly remember what I used in my tourist ascension. Probably Cleaver. 09:04 <@Umby> WHAT DO YOU MEAN TENGU TURNED INTO A RUST MONSTER 09:04 <@Umby> how rude 09:05 at least a rust monster doesn't do damage 09:06 (one of the few monsters) 09:06 <@Umby> yeah but I REALLY fucking hate dealing with rusted items 09:06 shrug 09:06 <@Umby> still have an assload of scrolls to ID 09:06 rust is overrated imio 09:06 <@Umby> plus I was fighting a gold golem in a hall at the time and the fucker literally teleported to the other side of me 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Mal Neu) had a copper elven helm entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2638 09:07 <@Umby> it's just pure BM more than anything 09:07 lol 09:07 NPC BM is the worst BM 09:07 <@Umby> sure is 09:08 <@Umby> I need to get to Sokoban anyway so I can clear it before shit gets too hectic there 09:08 <@Umby> probably should've prioritized that over foocubus spoonery 09:08 <@Umby> lol 09:09 argh, a nymph stole my lizard corpse and I hit her with Magicbane and that confused her so she ate the lizard corpse to steady herself 09:09 ._. 09:09 <@Umby> and that's why I feed nymphs to my pets 09:09 blessed-geno n 09:10 <@Umby> pf, not that serious 09:10 depends how many geno scrolls you have 09:10 <@Umby> they're a nusiance to be sure but not nearly a game-ending one 09:10 <@Umby> at the least not compared to, say, that one cham turning into a arch-lich 09:11 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12 <@Umby> also, I notice when I eat things like puddings, ooze and gel cube 09:12 <@Umby> I almost always get shock resistance first 09:14 NHrsa- (sorry was afk) Normally I would do a fresh install... This time i was only going from Mint Cinammon 19.1 to 19.2 so i just did the upgrade through the gui update manager, and it went very smoothly, and this particular upgrade for me made a real performance difference 09:14 <@Umby> why is there a statue of a soldier ant around 09:14 <@Umby> in the hallway no less 09:14 <@Umby> someone died here didn't they 09:14 <@ShivanHunter> definitely bones 09:15 Could be just because of my particular graphics card or something, but actually reading the release notes it looks like Cinammon now uses like half the RAM or something so it may be that 09:17 the cats did eat the nymph eventually 09:18 <@Umby> coolio, small throne room 09:19 <@Umby> only real danger was a gnome king with a rather ouchy mace 09:19 i would never geno n because they are such a source of potions (to dilute> holy water) 09:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:19 <@Umby> right? 09:19 <@Umby> speaking of I need one to bless my BoH 09:19 What killed them? 09:19 <@Umby> no sign of bones yet 09:20 <@Umby> I fought a plain dwarf that read a scroll of teleportation 09:20 <@Umby> so odds are it was occupying the same square 09:20 did they have c corpse wielded, stone an ant and then have an accident with the c corpse? 09:20 <@Umby> no sign of a ghost from intrinsic telepathy to boot 09:20 <@Umby> that's a distinct possibility 09:20 mm 09:20 <@Umby> I'll update you if I find something 09:21 <@Umby> but yeah, got BoH from a monster drop 09:21 <@Umby> and my first magic lamp wish was SDSM 09:21 statue bones are usually pretty good ime 09:22 <@Umby> so I have no reason to go to Sokoban except to stop it from being utter dogshit to clear later + maybe get a good weapon 09:22 <@Umby> + definitely improve my permafood situation 09:22 <@Umby> nothing from throne, RIP 09:23 Don't smash the statue with force bolts. 09:23 <@Umby> was gonna use a pick-axe anyway 09:23 poly'd to soldier ant and tried to hit a cockatrice in the hallway? 09:23 <@Umby> but ty for the heads up 09:23 <@Umby> there was no sign of any c either though 09:24 <@Umby> and no statues anywhere else 09:24 <@Umby> my money's currently on "teleported along with dwarf when that scroll was read" 09:24 <@Umby> though that might be wrong as well 09:26 <@Umby> funny you mention that, now a c actually spawns 09:27 <@Umby> in related news, one of my pets disappeared and the other that I inadvertently tamed to avoid it wasting me is... idk 09:28 <@Umby> idk which one disappeared tbh but the other is now an iron golem 09:28 <@Umby> permanently, assuming it was the cham from befoe 09:28 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 11516 points, T:392, killed by a large mimic 09:29 <@Umby> sheesh, that poison gas is brutal 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Mal Neu), 1406 points, T:2921, poisoned by a bad case of the plague, while reading a book 09:30 Must have been a good book. 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh4] elessara (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 33093 points, T:3515, killed by a bolt of cold 09:30 <@Umby> as expected, the soldier ant statue was a load of rocks 09:31 <@Umby> and another rust monster spawns, so I guess the golem can eat shit 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3906 09:33 <@Umby> feels good when you can kill spheres without exploding them 09:34 <@Umby> so yeah, looks like the statue was teleported with that dwarf to a different square 09:34 <@Umby> most likely outcome 09:34 <@Umby> anyway, soko time 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6493 09:36 How? 09:43 <@Umby> It's not remotely impossible 09:44 <@Umby> Valks are guaranteed this as their first gift 09:44 <@Umby> so lol 09:44 <@Umby> I once got it as a Tourist 09:45 <@Umby> died to RNG poison a while later, naturally 09:47 <@Umby> Oh, if you mean the statue thing then 09:47 <@Umby> I gave the most likely explanation 09:47 <@Umby> :keizaShrug: 09:47 <@Umby> no bones = fuck all else to go on 09:47 -!- Mandevil_ is now known as Mandevil 09:47 mm 09:47 But monsters don't pick up statues. 09:49 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:50 <@Umby> I never said the dwarf picked it up 09:51 <@Umby> merely that it was occupying the same square 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8493 09:51 <@Umby> and no other explanation occurs to me 09:58 Then shouldn't it not get teleported unless someone zapped it with the wand? 10:02 <@Umby> aw, wraith 10:02 <@Umby> but no corpse 10:02 <@Umby> also I legit dunno man 10:02 <@Umby> like I said, no other explanation occurs 10:02 <@Umby> it's possible the chameleon I tamed did a thing and picked it up as a storm giant or something 10:03 <@Umby> then got forced to drop it 10:03 Mm 10:04 'a bad case of the plague' 10:05 is there ever a good case? 10:05 i might wanna re-word that 10:10 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 10:19 K2: an especially bad case? 10:20 ultra bad 10:21 <{Demo}2> superbad 10:24 <@Umby> and dead to an air elemental that jumped me 10:24 <@Umby> no real means of fighting back 10:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42 :/ 10:43 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:44 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 34542 points, T:2561, killed by a rothe 10:46 does hothraxxa like fiqhack again? 10:47 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:20502 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20507 10:47 -!- stennowork is now known as Guest47783 10:50 -!- Guest47783 has quit [Changing host] 10:50 -!- Guest47783 has joined #hardfought 10:50 -!- Guest47783 is now known as stennowork 10:54 jonadab: why do you absolutely want to kill MC? wouldn't it suffice to change the numbers, so that MC3 is less of a complete protection? 10:55 that already happened with 3.6.x 10:55 slightly 10:55 LarienTelrunya: Because I think that's the best way to reveal which of the things MC protects against aren't balanced correctly. 10:55 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:56 mc3 is already nerfed 10:56 K2: yes, but jonadab wants to abolish MC entirely! 10:56 oh noes 10:56 98% protection, or even 90% protection, just makes it harder to playtest and get decent feedback. But the problem is still there. 10:57 jonadab: in 3.4.3, disenchanters are a complete non-threat unless you stupidly attack them with your +5 Stormbringer :P 10:57 EPI: being cancelled temporarily negates MC for n turns 10:57 can tell you that without needing to play a no-MC variant 10:57 ooh 10:57 K2: congratulations, I think you just accidentally invented a new slex feature! 10:57 it wasnt an accident 10:58 lol 10:58 :P 10:58 EPI: a monster with an attack that gives you *negative* MC, meaning things positive MC usually protects against are worse / more likely. 10:58 lets see if that works 10:58 lol jonadab 10:58 the murphy's law attack 10:58 anything bad that can happen, will happen 10:58 EPI: if the player name is 'stenno', they automatically ascend on the upstairs, splicehack style 10:58 jonadab: that would be difficult to implement, because MC0 already gives 100% certainty that the attack lands... 10:59 lol stennowork 10:59 LarienTelrunya: So make it land 3 times per hit, then. 10:59 maybe I should make a "friday the 13th" attack that temporarily enables all the bad stuff at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Friday_the_13th 10:59 no i want 1000% certainty 10:59 you gotta give 110% 10:59 'but i already gave 100%...' 11:00 wasnt 110% 11:00 booted off team 11:00 * jonadab turns werefoo attacks up to eleven. 11:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5IpCpeb0M <--- 110% 11:00 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:01 heh, the volume control of my roommate's CD player goes up to 12 11:01 spinal tap wants to know your location 11:01 rofl 11:01 'but it goes to 11' 11:02 DCSS has a noise meter, the noise you make being very important. One god, Qazlal, surrounds you with noisy storm clouds. _Very_ noisy storm clouds. In our variant, if you worship Qazlal the noise bar goes to 11. :-) 11:02 that sounds cool 11:02 awesome 11:03 Pinkbeast: reminds me of Angband/ToME, where stealth is a thing and if you have aggravate monster, it's just negated and everything wakes up if you get anywhere near it 11:03 i.e. aggravate monster nullifies stealth there 11:03 quite specific 11:04 however, the annoying part about stealth implementations in such games is that it's usually "random skill-dependant chance that the monster wakes up" 11:04 Stealth is a thing, yeah, and while there's no explicit aggravate monster, you can be so covered in clanky armour (or berserk) as to have no stealth. Noise is worse; it can awaken monsters out of LOS, who will come to see what the noise was. 11:04 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:05 The real use of Stealth isn't in keeping monsters in LOS asleep (it is indeed a random chance etc so never reliable); it also affects the chance a monster out of LOS will forget about you and go back to wandering. 11:05 nethack stealth > dcss stealth +10 11:05 but if you then walk away they'll just mill around where the noise came from? 11:05 LarienTelrunya: Exactly, if they never see you, so after making a lot of noise it's useful to relocate. 11:05 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:06 LarienTelrunya: Brogue gives you a stealth _radius_, outside of which the chance is 0%. Pouring enchants into a ring of stealth shrinks your radius (though it also depends on ambient light). 11:06 The big difference is that more or less everything you might expect to make a noise makes a noise, where in NH only some few specific things make a noise 11:06 unfortunately rogues don't get sleeping backstab in nethack 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:23166 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker (0:80)", on T:23167 11:07 jonadab: and you can see the monsters from far away and plan your route accordingly? 11:08 Pinkbeast: there are many silly things in nethack like breaking down a door with a pickaxe or snapping a wand that are strangely, perfectly silent 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker (0:80)", on T:23281 11:09 Or fighting a monster next to its sleeping compatriots. Urist McOrcface is all "eh, I don't want to wake up my buddies, they need their rest..." 11:10 heh, what I think is really weird is that in some variants where fighting makes noise, only the killer bees adjacent to the one you're fighting ever wake up. And they don't wake up the other killer bees that are next to them, so you can still fight them in rather small groups if you want to... 11:11 would be great if we could have castle-of-the-winds-like behavior, where hurting any monster in a special room will cause the entire room to wake up 11:11 LarienTelrunya: That depends on lighting, as well. 11:11 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:11 Unless you have telepathy, but you can only ever have that temporarily in Brogue. 11:12 And lighting gets pretty dark the deeper you go, so in the late game you can't see very far, unless you have a well enchanted ring of light. 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9265 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:23304 11:13 oh, and the lighting is probably what causes brogue screenshots to always have all those various shades of fleecy colors? 11:13 Pinkbeast: actually, in NH4+derivatives, monsters behave more akin to DCSS monsters in regards to noise 11:13 Or a telepathy charm, I guess. That only shows you monsters, though, not terrain. 11:13 and similar 11:13 LarienTelrunya: Lighting is part of that, yes. 11:13 LarienTelrunya: There are also other effects, such as gasses. 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class V, on T:23308 11:13 they will pathfind randomly (pick a square on the map at random and walk to it, then pick a new one, etc) when out of your LOS 11:14 in your LOS, they'll path towards you 11:14 well, their LOS 11:14 *if you're in their LOS 11:14 and if you hide, they'll pathfind to where they saw you last 11:14 jonadab: heh, yeah, brogue and its 200 types of gas clouds :P 11:14 and if noise happens 11:14 they'll pathfind to the place where noise occured 11:15 NH3 AI pathfinding is far more rudimentary 11:15 LarienTelrunya: But if you *really* want to see fleecy colors, quaff a potion of hallucination in Brogue. 11:15 Oh My Word. 11:15 DCSS monsters that been in LOS and alert to you just "know" your location for a while (dependent on Stealth, monster intelligence, etc) after you leave LOS, which is absurd from a Watsonian POV but seems to give about the right gameplay. 11:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:15 they generally try to pathfind to you no matter where you are 11:15 however, there's no actual pathfind algo 11:15 they'll just try the direct path 11:16 NetHack monsters are bad at pathfinding, yes. 11:16 in addition, they avoid walking on squares they recently walked on 11:16 This is extremely noticeable with pets. 11:16 meaning in corridors, you see them wandering around somewhat plausibly 11:16 but in open spaces, it's blatant that they home in on you ignoring walls, etc 11:16 especially visible if you use monster detection 11:17 In corridors, you see them wandering around somewhat plausibly until they suddenly stop and don't move for 4894879 turns. 11:17 jonadab: pets suffered from another issue, they should generally be better at staying near you after the AI fix a few years ago 11:17 FIQ: Wait, did that fix make it back to vanilla? 11:17 yes 11:17 Oh, good. 11:18 took much longer than it should have 11:18 but it did make the jump 11:18 eventually 11:18 after a few months 11:18 I'd given up on it. 11:18 probably after I pestered ais523 about it 11:19 Pinkbeast: vanilla has a concept of that 11:19 if you're outside LOS, they're supposed to follow your "tracks" 11:19 but this is kinda broken 11:19 I don't recall if NH4 fixed it or removed it entirely 11:19 It used to work better, before the modern speed system. 11:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20 Back when everything moved one tile per turn only. 11:20 not everything did 11:20 But when the speed system went in, track.c didn't get the memo. 11:20 but it was always in lockstep according to your movement 11:20 And it's been broken ever since. 11:20 some monsters only moved once every 4 player moves or similar 11:20 There's not much justification for why monsters across the entire level can home in on you despite many things being in between. 11:20 but there was no speed system as such 11:21 hah yeah what aosdict said 11:21 Angband also has a variety of tracking options but it's not really clear that they often matter 11:21 this is actually why air elementals are so dangerous 11:21 aosdict: IMO, inherently-telepathic monsters, such as flayers, should be able to. 11:21 other than they sense a disturbance in the force 11:21 they were balanced around having the same speed as you 11:21 jonadab: Sure, but most aren't. 11:21 aosdict: Agreed. 11:21 but they got speed 36 in the new speed system without compensating by nerfing their attacks 11:22 I think a version or two later they did get nerfed 11:22 jonadab: Have fun making floating eyes be the only thing that intelligently finds a way to the hero across the whole level. :P 11:22 but they still retain the major danger 11:22 Attack damage was halved in 3.4.0 11:22 aosdict: Actually, I was thinking there should be something else telepathic in the early game (but maybe slower than speed 12, so the player can outpace it). 11:22 jonadab: I did this to low-level shamans and gnomish wizards. 11:22 Pinkbeast: which still makes them far more dangerous than any other elemental 11:23 FIQ: Indeed 11:23 fun fact: since fiqhack monsters can get very fast, air elementals can get speed 60 in fiqhack 11:23 aosdict: Makes as much sense as anything. 11:23 Ideally only some of the shamans and wizards would be telepathic, but it's simpler to have them all be. 11:24 aosdict: I was considering making monsters with innate telepathy count as having extrinsic telepathy 11:24 I think the consistency on that is good. Makes it easier for players to learn what to fear. 11:24 for the purpose of how strong the effect is 11:24 after all, fh already has code that differs some intrinsics that has been acquired from corpses vs innate ones you have from the start 11:25 (things like fire resistance, if you have it from the getgo, is a fire immunity, but only a partial resistance if gotten from corpses) 11:25 Re [[body armor]], does anyone care about weight/AC except when two armours have the same AC? 11:25 well 11:25 there are certain armors i just don't wear 11:25 any 'mail' apart from DSM 11:25 plate armor 11:26 plate mail, cpm 11:26 impractically heavy 11:26 cpm is too heavy unfortunateyl 11:26 yeah 11:26 hell, there is code to make it possible for someone to gain fire res at level 4, then fire immunity at level 10 11:26 otherwise awesome 11:26 but it's unused 11:26 maybe I should make use of it for monks 11:26 i just have a (very short) list of body armor i wear 11:26 leather, studded leather, mithril, dsm 11:27 5 body armors 11:27 as a knight, almost always my first step is to drop my body armor 11:27 give them continuing trinsics dnethack-style, allthough with different trinsics 11:27 acid res at 19, then elemental immunities at 21, 23, 25, 27, 29 11:28 acid res ftw 11:28 stennowork: several variants change weights around for body armor 11:28 to make some armor more usable 11:28 10 bucks says slex has an acid elemental 11:29 dnethack does this, fh does too 11:29 ^ and evilhack 11:29 and sporkhack 11:29 nice 11:29 is there also a DSM nerf? 11:29 un-style oslt? 11:29 yes 11:29 cpm in evilhack weighs only 150 aum 11:29 also done by several variants 11:29 K2: "an acid elemental" singular? :D 11:29 * stennowork approves of dsm nerf 11:29 fh doesn't nerf dsm, but does buff the unused colors 11:29 spork and evil nerfs SDSM 11:30 i still fondly remember my unnethack ascension 11:30 actually I think I made dsm heavier 11:30 with elven mithril 11:30 but didn't do anything beyond that 11:30 fair enough 11:30 thats already good 11:30 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 27827 points, T:1657, killed by a giant ant 11:30 nerf-wise 11:30 yeah 11:30 unnethack nerfs DSM across the board 11:30 yes 11:30 heavier, less AC, randomized dragons... 11:30 but otoh there is chromatic dsm 11:31 Dragon armor now weight 300 instead of 40 (150 if worn) 11:31 for fh 11:31 hmm thats a lot 11:31 I also nerfed armor weight across the board for the heavier stuff 11:31 thats 1 resp. 2 oofs 11:31 cpm too? :P 11:31 (technically I increased the weight, but wearing armor halves it) 11:31 fiq: thanks for your answer. i already knew what the wiki says, but i found it confusing 11:31 hothraxxa: sorry I was talking to stennowork 11:32 i know, i'm referring to backscroll 11:32 about teleport wands 11:32 ah 11:32 ok 11:32 so i'm on astral, i break a wand of teleport. what happens? 11:32 assuming it's blessed and i'm expert 11:32 I will probably try porting dtsund-DSM to 3.6 some time 11:32 stennowork: CPM weights 500 in fh 11:32 however, all armor is halved when worn 11:33 oof 11:33 so when worn it weights 250 11:33 still.. 11:33 still heavier than DSM 11:33 thats a lot compared to DSM 11:33 yeah 11:33 but it gives 10def 11:33 (AC:0) 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:10555 11:33 meh 11:33 that 1 ac isn't worth it 11:33 especially since they're the same wrt casting 11:34 indeed 11:34 I appear to only have made CPM into the best pre-DSM armor 11:34 but DSM still being superior 11:35 A direction I haven't seen anyone take: some magic systems in fiction have casting impeded by stuff taken from dead creatures. could be interesting; metal no longer blocks spellcasting but leather and bone and DSM giving penalties 11:35 unpopular opinion: make CPM MC3 11:36 a necromancer would get abonus from stuff taken from dead monsters yeah? 11:36 but... oh hey 11:36 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:36 bone/leather could block healing magic 11:36 cuz dead monster parts 11:36 in D&D there's nothing about metal at all that I recall, it's just that wizards can't wear heavy armor because it interferes with gestures they need to cast 11:37 ^ that 11:37 clerics somehow got a pass on that 11:37 they might take penalties from light armor too. Can't remember. 11:37 because their magic comes from deity vs a spellbook 11:37 unless proficiency, or something. 11:38 under a weight-based system crystal plate mail would become even worse because you couldn't cast in it 11:38 aosdict if i remember correctly, a mage in ad&d (1st edition) couldnt wear anything heavier than a robe if they wanted to cast 11:38 there were some magical exceptions 11:39 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:39 Different editions have wobbled between making it de jure forbidden and de facto impractical 11:39 in sporkhack, wizards get a huge penalty trying to cast while wearing any body armor 11:40 in evilhack, its any role across the board, but primary spellcasters, the penalty isnt quite so bad 11:40 they get a pass on 1-3rd level spells 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a wooden dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:5000 11:41 I think this is an area where D&D's not useful to emulate; it was thinking of a party of adventurers, groping towards the MMO trinity, but in NetHack you're alone. 11:42 <@Umby> ^ 11:42 <@Umby> now, if you can geta variant to successfully emulate a party of adventurers 11:42 <@Umby> then that'd be a whole different sportsball game 11:42 I do have some ambitions towards that 11:43 lot of work between here and there though 11:43 heh 11:43 that would be something 11:43 <@Umby> big bridge to cross 11:43 multiplayer? 11:43 aosdict: but that's counterproductive with current game balancing 11:43 <@Umby> no, like 11:43 NetHack: the MMO 11:44 tomeNEThack 11:44 <@Umby> think the way the PMD games did it 11:44 100 player party raids 11:44 luxidream: no, like the player leading a party of 3-5 into the dungeons of doom 11:44 <@Umby> (optionally with the ability to switch leaders mid-dungeon crawl) 11:44 hey I think pathos does that 11:44 <@Umby> that way we come full circle :P 11:44 oh i see 11:44 <@Umby> oh? 11:44 NPC's that the player can control 11:44 <@Umby> what's pathos 11:44 pathos:nethack a nice phone roguelike based on nethack 11:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I_1C0QUTjQ 11:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:45 ^ eye of the beholder 11:45 having leather impede casting instead of metal I mean 11:46 obviously, the optimal team is a valkyrie, healer, and wizard 11:46 FIQ: this is an un thought out idea and is not presented as a serious proposal 11:46 k2: that was one of my favorite games eye of beholder 2 as well 11:46 mine too 11:46 the valkyrie immediately murders the healer and wizard and sets off into the dungeon overpowered 11:46 i played the shit out of that entire series 11:46 drew my own maps on grid paper 11:46 <@Umby> @luxidream: assuming the valk's god doesn't smite her first 11:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:47 <@Umby> anyway, giving pathos a try later today 11:47 luxidream: if I were to make bard like dnh has 11:47 luxidream: the NPCs wouldn't be treated like starting players of their class regarding inventory 11:47 <@Umby> any resources to point my newb ass towards? 11:47 I'd make it come with an assortment of player monster allies 11:47 and a better AI 11:48 FIQ: that's effectively the bare bones of my plan 11:48 but I'm also not satisfied with any existing set of mechanics for bards 11:49 k2: it had that whole first person thing going on long before wolfenstein/doom etc. . obviously not the same idea graphics wise but as far as point of view goes. 11:50 also loved the bard's tale for same reason... before that i loved tile games like ultima series/ wasteland etc. but yeah EOTB was awesome 11:51 now you all know the bards and their songs 11:51 what was that other game i can't think of.. oh yeah might magic 2 was pretty cool if i remember 11:52 there was a way in the bards tale to open this dat file in a hex editor and just jumble around numbers with garbage and when you went to the general store or whatever it was LOADED with all sorts of stuff 11:52 @Umby there is a fangame called PMD Origins 11:52 i guess that might be cheating though 11:53 it is basically a ZIS-style dungeon with ally recruitment 11:53 AI is decent enough but what makes it notable is that you can switch leader on the fly always 11:53 or take full control of the entire party if you need 11:54 one of the first things having NPC allies requires is convincing nethack to accept "tame" humans :P 11:54 enough reminiscing for me... back to my EH game where I have -20AC but no pickaxe lol 11:55 <@Umby> ZIS? 11:55 zero isle south 11:55 <@Umby> oh 11:55 <@Umby> neat 11:55 explorers' main level 1 dungeon 11:55 <@Umby> no no I remembe 11:55 <@Umby> just that the abbr. didn't ring 11:56 <@Umby> there other things to it? 11:56 ah 11:56 <@Umby> @aosdict is completely right btw 11:56 <@Umby> that's the biggest hurdle should this be pursued 11:57 <@Umby> implementing an "allied human NPC" scenario without making humans "tameable" per se 11:57 <@Umby> and opening that pandora's box of enabling 11:58 I think the simplest way is to just make humans tameable. You can tame members of all the other four races. 11:58 Not *all* humans - obviously shopkeepers and quest nemeses and so on shouldn't be. 11:59 <@Umby> I get that, but again, the implications from the base idea alone 11:59 <@Umby> nevermind the worse ones, having a pet human just sounds weird besides 11:59 just define any human allied with you as "allied" rather than 'tame' 11:59 <@Umby> though that may also be a terminology-based hangup as well 11:59 <@Umby> yeah 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 in slex, humans can already be tamed, but "regular" taming methods (e.g. charm monster) are likely to make them only peaceful while specific "meant to tame @-class monsters" methods work every time ;) 12:00 bad time for rld to go down 12:00 K2: what's the deal with this? 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 @Umby if you said anything further just now we didn't hear it because rld was down momentarily... again... 12:01 <@Umby> though that'd at least be less "troubling" to puzzle out, I'd figure 12:01 <@Umby> oh no 12:01 rld reboots every 4 hrs (used to be every hour) 12:01 <@Umby> "then there's also the handling of eating human corpses as a non-human PC with allied humans" 12:01 i dont control rld 12:02 perhaps we should extend cannibalism to eating any monster of the other main races. Except orcs. 12:02 <@Umby> because orcs are the token Savage Race™ and it's totally expected of them 12:03 "looks like meat's back on the menu boys" 12:03 EPI: every time you start a new game, the RNG goes over the entire monster list and for every monster species there is a 1% chance that eating its corpse in this particular game counts as cannibalism. With no way for the player to know in advance which ones they are. 12:04 <@Umby> that just begs questions about that PC's particular heritage more than anything 12:04 <@Umby> and punishing them for not knowing they had an ancestor what knocked up an ettin 3 centuries earlier, say 12:05 that is not the sort of idea that would appear anywhere except slex 12:06 <@Umby> I mean if you're just gonna say it... 12:06 you know that LarienTelrunya and I are different people, right? 12:07 <@Umby> I do 12:07 one of us develops slex. the other does not ;-) 12:07 <@Umby> my reply wasn't exactly predicated on that fact 12:09 you can never tell for sure when a discord user thinks IRCBot is one occasionally schizophrenic entity 12:09 <@Umby> the bot says outright who's saying what so 12:10 isn't it usually the reverse 12:10 k2: I was just asking my brother via txt if he remembers EOTB and that I was discussing it with the evilhack dev... his response: "Yup. Beholders were these giant eye monsters in those games. Hard as F to defeat"... !! I didn't even put it together lol 12:10 <@Umby> I can see that happening but it's weird to imagine someone not picking up on that quickly 12:10 where IRC users reply to the omniscient "rld" 12:10 @Umby: if I prefix something with "EPI" it means evil patch idea, i.e. an idea that's intentionally evil towards the player and usually won't be implemented in a variant, even though I occasionally implement them in slex 12:11 <@Umby> I'm aware 12:11 <@Umby> response was more of a pithy joke 12:11 <@Umby> I've also been fiddling about this discord on and off for a while now, safe to say I have the lay of the land in that regard :B 12:11 <@Umby> now if only post-quest was as easy to navigate 12:12 luxidream: I think I've noticed discord users addressing @IRCBot more often than irc users addressing rld. 12:12 sorry gnomish shopkeep. You run a 15x4 scroll/spellbook shop though, and that's what you get for taxing me! Murderer! 12:13 or failing that, saying "wow this is a really intelligent bot that can give me tailored advice" 12:13 <@Umby> lol 12:13 <@Umby> also reba wyd 12:14 rebatela hahah 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12155 12:18 the best thing about murdering the gnomish shopkeep? eating his corpse to get telepathy back after murder (oh no!! k2 is going to change that somehow ) 12:18 gnomish wizard* 12:20 errrmahgerd - https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/eye-of-the-beholder 12:20 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2304 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:10793 12:27 rebatela: huh I'm wondering, your turn counter is only at about 10k? weren't you much farther in evilhack already? or did you ascend your previous char and I missed it? 12:28 yeah i died on the plane of water. strangled by an elemental 12:28 i've made it past castle a bunch of times 12:28 arrgh :/ rip 12:29 gotten amulet once... hothraxxa found my bones with a full kit with dragonhide stuff and wand of wishing multiple markers etc during his last ascension 12:29 i play a lot ;) (and die a lot) 12:29 but i will ascend soon 12:29 !lotg rebatela 12:29 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, rebatela! 12:29 i think i'm getting better 12:30 thanks :) 12:30 then it's on to slex... 12:30 promise! 12:30 hahaha that's what I'm looking forward to <3 12:30 although i think i need to play slashem first 12:30 just to get my feet wet 12:30 nah, regular slashem is a completely different game at this point 12:30 although, of course some things are identical 12:30 the little bit of slashem/slex i've played makes me realize they completely screwed up the monk role in NH... 12:30 <@Umby> Reba what variant is this 12:31 evilhack 12:31 <@Umby> oh 12:31 <@Umby> also screwed up how 12:31 haha oh yeah they did! why did they think it's a good idea to utterly trash martial arts damage output when they ported monk to vanilla??? 12:31 <@Umby> oh 12:31 well... in slash, the robe takes the armor slot not the cloak slot 12:31 so you can wear a robe and a cloak 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:67132 12:32 in slashem, the monk can do about 40-50 damage per hit at grandmaster martial arts; I don't know how much they do in vanilla but IIRC it's a fraction of that 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:67133 12:32 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:32 in NH it's a pita because where everyone else not only gets either reflection or MR from DSM (usually), a monk has to wear a robe so can't wear cloak of MR 12:32 i mean.. you don't HAVE to wear a robe 12:32 but you kinda do until later if you want to spellcast at all 12:32 <@Umby> the implication being "why would you not tho" 12:32 <@Umby> ye 12:33 LOL according to https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Martial_arts a maxxed out monk in vanilla does 9.25 average damage per hit? WHAT? 12:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 34379 points, T:3212, killed by a jaguar 12:33 even a +0 Excalibur (with strength bonuses and stuff) probably does more at that point... 12:33 in EH monks are buffed 12:33 martial arts are awesome 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:67136 12:33 <@Umby> is that page up to date? 12:34 prob not 12:34 <@Umby> I notice a lot of pages are falling more and more out of date or at least haven't had the version templates accounted for 12:34 the page also completely fails to list the slashem damage figures 12:35 you can lol, but i probably have 50 ascensions with just using martial arts... you don't need a weapon (even in vanilla), and I'm not all that good at NH 12:35 oh and in slashem, the to-hit penalty for wearing armor is also much less harsh 12:35 weapons suck... sacrificing for weapons is a hassle, screws up wishes. tons of crappy artifact weapons 12:35 i'm sure in slex there are 12,000 weapons though 12:35 lol 12:36 but i'm all set with getting ogresmasher and trollsbane on and on and on.... easier to play monk and use martial arts. I have no idea what damage it does 12:37 but you don't feel like it takes too long to kill monsters 12:37 no.. especially not at grand master. and especially not in eh 12:37 ic 12:37 well then it does enough damage 12:38 for sure... especially early game. and then later on you can totally use a weapon 12:38 i have +7 grayswandir in my vanilla game and am even trained in saber 12:39 monk can train saber? 12:39 you're used to playing wizards antivirus... you'll be blown away by how monks can melee in the early game 12:39 thats nice 12:39 no 12:39 but yes i think it happened when i was crowned 12:40 in my vanilla ascension my wiz had +6 grayswandir, no training and it was just fine 12:40 <@Umby> yeah, a Grayswandir gift'll do it 12:40 it wasn't a gift. i wished for it 12:40 (neutral) 12:40 <@Umby> was Werebane a gift? 12:40 and then at some point it was unrestriced... so it happened from prayer at an altar 12:40 nope 12:40 <@Umby> or do monks actually have skillslots for saber 12:40 yeah wizard is definitely a glass cannon kind of situation. 12:40 <@Umby> or 12:40 <@Umby> oh* 12:40 and you have to do something do conserve energy 12:41 throwing daggers, and letting my pet fight more made up the gap there 12:41 never got werebane i don't think... there's way to get it unlocked if you're wielding it when crowned 12:41 but there's definitely a hump to get over in the early game with wizards 12:41 yeah... you'd kick ass with monks in early game because wizards are super hard 12:41 <{Demo}2> what's the most chaotic race to play in slashem? 12:41 I know, but they're worth it 12:42 when I have good wizard game going, I feel like I won the lottery 12:42 oh i know 12:42 i'm just saying... it's made you good at the early game 12:42 true 12:42 <@Umby> oh yeah, crowning unlocks a skillslot iirc 12:42 I can even handle EH zombies now (don't tell them I said so) 12:42 <@Umby> or unrestricts rather 12:43 i think you have to be wielding the weapon 12:43 <@Umby> "The kobold zombie will remember that." 12:43 but i had been sacrificing and praying a ton in that game... i still have it going.. i had 4 wands of wands of wishing (3 before the castle) 12:43 "The kobold zombie is sad that he was hit with the nerf bat repeatedly." :P 12:43 and now I have like 6 archon figurines etc.. 12:43 i don't want to ascend it ! lol 12:43 that's ok, I've got eucalyptus leaves, and potions of restore ability and a pseudodragon to kill ya with 12:44 love eucalyptus leaves... they are my new favorite item 12:44 wow, crazy game 12:44 in Vanilla I recently got a wand of wishing from a newt 12:44 that RND 12:44 *RNG 12:45 like, did he have it strapped to his back? 12:45 haha... it's a death drop 12:45 happens after you kill it (the newt didn't really have it) 12:45 if your pet killed it, it wouldnt have dropped... 12:45 ah 12:46 i don't think 12:46 that's why pacifists are hard to play 12:47 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5987 12:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:49 rebatela: You think correctly; only kills by you give death drops (because??) 12:50 <@Umby> magical protag powers, obviously 12:50 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:51 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51 <@Umby> fucking fuckl 12:52 <@Umby> I hate cursed scrolls of create monster 12:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 41558 points, T:15582, killed by a leocrotta 12:53 <@Umby> tourist take 3 12:53 <@Umby> maybe the game'll let me make it more then a few yards into the mines this time 12:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 27960 points, T:3222, killed by a soldier ant 12:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:18569 12:55 tourist shouldn't usually go directly to the mines except maybe the first level for equipment 12:55 typically better to try and explore the dungeon down to about soko to beef up 12:55 <@Umby> I was literally on the first level after spending a bit training my daggers and leveling my pets 12:56 <@Umby> one cursed scroll of create monster literally steps from the stairs later 12:56 <@Umby> and I'm fucking dead 12:56 rip 12:56 where you playing umby? 12:56 <@Umby> like hello??? 12:56 <@Umby> I'm on my phone 12:56 ahhh 12:57 <@Umby> no numpad on this keyboard and I haven't bothered to set up an alt. config 12:57 i was trying to find your game before 12:57 <@Umby> since tbt Chromebooks are a blight on humankind 12:57 learn vi keys... it's so worth it 12:57 <@Umby> not that Windows 10 is currently much better 12:57 numpad or death 12:57 haha 12:57 shots fired 12:57 can't do vi keys to save my life 12:57 numpad works great when HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE k2 12:58 <@Umby> ^ 12:58 you don't carry your pocket numpad everywhere you go in case you need to hack? 12:58 go buy one 12:58 you can get a usb numpad 12:58 <@Umby> that just goes back to the "I want to get a not-Chromebook ASAP" thing 12:59 <@Umby> which, anyone got any recs on Linux machines? 12:59 https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Portable-Financial-Accounting-Extensions/dp/B07RZZMV62 12:59 <@Umby> if that's a statement that even makes sense 12:59 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:00 <@Umby> neat 13:00 <@Umby> hopefully my replacement computer actually has a built in numpad though 13:01 i wont buy a laptop unless it has a full keyboard 13:02 numpad for LYFE 13:02 Based on my own experience I suggest 1) being issued a laptop by your employer in 2001 which is too old for them to care about when you leave a decade later (handing in your newer work laptop) and 2) having a well-off friend with a 10yo MacBook they're not really using. 13:02 ^ spelled 'lyfe' on purpose 13:05 I've only ever bought one lappie and that was a 486/75 that cost me a princely twenty quid. I did ascend a Cavewoman on it, though. :-) 13:05 <@Umby> in any event here's hoping I can get an actual weapon this time 13:05 <@Umby> even my better tourist that died at soko got fuck all else besides a stack of daggers 13:06 <@Umby> aligned altar first floor, there's some hope 13:12 curved swords are good early weapons for tourists 13:12 <@Umby> oh wow, found a book of charm monster 13:12 nice! 13:12 <@Umby> shame I don't have another spell like sleep to train that with 13:12 maybe there will be a spellbook shop in minetown ;) 13:12 I'm a fan of 60% keyboards 13:13 but I have a separate numpad for NH 13:13 <@Umby> assuming I make it to minetown 13:13 and it's wonderfully clicky 13:13 <@Umby> and assuming the game doesn't twat me and throw it to the orcs 13:14 just go slow and don't forget about your camera when you need to run away 13:14 <@Umby> I won't 13:14 <@Umby> ty 13:14 It's weird some games I'll use almost every charge in the camera and some I won't need it at all 13:15 Vortex Vibe is probably a good board for nethack players 13:15 https://kotaku.com/vortex-vibe-mechanical-keyboard-review-smaller-by-the-1820825249 13:16 <@Umby> I also have armor now, at least 13:16 <@Umby> last run there was no armor whatsoever and I wasn't risking rothes on the way to soko without any 13:17 <@Umby> oh thank fucking god 13:17 <@Umby> armor shop, silver shield is one of the first things I see 13:18 <@Umby> please don't be cursed 13:18 what variant are you playing +rld? 13:18 <@Umby> am not a bot 13:18 hah 13:18 <@Umby> lol 13:18 ? 13:18 <@Umby> also no variant, just nethack 13:18 <@Umby> but on mobile 13:18 ah 13:18 AntiVirus, rld is the bot that bridges this irc channel and a channel on discord 13:18 <@Umby> shield noncursed 13:18 <@Umby> let's fucking gooooo 13:18 aaaah 13:18 <@Umby> ty dog 13:19 <@Umby> +3 13:19 <@Umby> WHAT 13:19 is that a shield of reflection? 13:19 you so gonna die 13:19 nice find 13:19 <@Umby> shut the fuck up K2 13:19 <@Umby> it's true but you shouldn't say it 13:19 d - e - d. dead 13:19 Umby is hunched over the keeb 13:19 know the feeling 13:20 <@Umby> and a +1 dented pot because why not 13:20 dented pots are cool 13:20 <@Umby> I have plenty of staring $ this run too 13:20 <@Umby> starting* even 13:20 what role? 13:20 <@Umby> Tourist 13:20 well, wishing you luck would be a curse 13:20 !whereis Karnac 13:20 K2: Karnac is not playing. 13:20 bah 13:21 local? 13:21 <@Umby> ornamental cope is displacement 13:21 <@Umby> tattered cape is cursed 13:21 <@Umby> might be invisibility 13:21 you know some french friend of mine said they don't wish good luck 13:21 <@Umby> there's a robe, neat 13:21 saying "Bonne chance" is always sarcastic 13:21 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3597 points, T:175, poisoned by a cobra 13:21 so they say "MERDE" instead 13:22 <@Umby> hopefully I can at least replace this scale mail with some SLA 13:22 oh man, I have a hard test coming up, I hope I do well 13:22 MERDE! 13:22 lol 13:22 shit! 13:22 exactly 13:22 they say shit to eachother 13:22 <@Umby> "<@Beholder> hdf-us groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3597 points, T:175, poisoned by a cobra" 13:22 <@Umby> real "merde" moment 13:22 Je te dis merdre! - I say SHIT to you 13:22 heh, another point for the "people addressing rld" counter, while I've never seen anyone addressing IRCbot 13:23 <@Umby> like did they end up taking the trap door express 10 floors down 13:23 AntiVirus: Hahaha! Je vous ai trompé, petites filles! Maja n'était qu'un piège intelligent pour vous attirer ici. J'ai déjà attrapé ton précieux gadget! A partir de maintenant, elle va inventer des choses pour moi. Vous devrez la sortir de ma base si vous voulez vraiment la récupérer. 13:23 <@Umby> or is FH just like that somehow 13:23 hmm fiqhack, who knows 13:23 (other than FIQ) 13:23 <@Umby> >+2 apron 13:23 <@Umby> this shop's fucking loaded, god 13:24 <@Umby> robe's cursed lol 13:24 <@Umby> there's the monkey's paw 13:24 <@Umby> buying anyway, gonna see about future uncursing 13:24 haha that's great Larien 13:24 where does that come from? 13:24 aww I was hoping you'd recognize it ;) did you ever play NES games in your childhood? 13:24 I did but not in french 13:25 it was the "Chip & Dale: The Rescue Rangers" game for the NES 13:25 ah cool 13:25 <@Umby> baw, the only pair of shoes in here is cursed too 13:25 <@Umby> there's also only two weapons in here 13:25 Haha, I have tricked you little girls...Maja is nothing but an intelligent trap to draw you here 13:25 <@Umby> stiletto and short sword 13:25 hi 13:25 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 13:26 <@Umby> I mean I definitely take the stiletto at least but 13:26 fiqhack did not change trap door odds no 13:26 <@Umby> oh right, tourist get expert in short sword 13:26 <@Umby> though at that point I should already have a better weapon 13:27 <@Umby> prob. taking it anyway bc it's nice to have "not a dagger" 13:28 La princess est dans une autre château... 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:5802 13:29 AntiVirus: Bowser avec ses lignes de feu agaçantes et ses marteaux tout le temps! :D 13:29 "Let them eat lembas." 13:29 <@Umby> naturally one of the studded leather armors is a mimic and the shopkeeper takes forever to move out of the fucking way 13:29 <@Umby> so getting away takes longer than usual 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3779 13:30 !who 13:31 FIQ: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] oh6 [nh363] theFreightTrain [nh363] luxor [slshm] malor2 [dnh] Grouchy [evil] AntiVirus [evil] groovejumper [fh] poligono2007 [zapm] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:31 Ouais....mais j'ai sauté par-dessus tous! 13:32 <@Umby> shopping done 13:32 <@Umby> now for BUC check at altar 13:32 <@Umby> then figuring out how to proceed 13:32 Es-tu d'accord pour dire que dans le C-4 des niveaux perdus, il y a un endroit complètement japonais où un petit Mario ne peut pas passer le pare-feu, alors il faut avoir un champignon pour le vaincre? 13:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:20367 13:33 <@Umby> also picked up some silver arrows in case I have a werefolk problem 13:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 29244 points, T:2442, killed by a rock mole 13:35 Comme celui-ci? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TbIXluo7gc 13:35 sadly I have to leave to catch my train now though; AntiVirus: the french talk was fun :) see you! 13:35 yea any time! 13:35 thanks for the practice 13:35 also yeah that was the place I meant! 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:9083 13:35 ;) 13:35 see I can follow you 13:35 I read books 13:35 lol 13:36 :) 13:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36 any time 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered milo, his faithful leprechaun, on T:5857 13:37 <@Umby> and dead, fuck this stupid game 13:38 :) 13:38 if i had a dollar for everytime I cursed YASD 13:38 i'd be oprah rich 13:38 <@Umby> and have enough to pay for your immiment kneecap surgery 13:39 or a lifetime supply of spare keyboards 13:39 * Pinkbeast has a lifetime supply of spare keyboards 13:40 just the clicky-clacky one? 13:40 any will do 13:40 as long as it has a numpad 13:40 paxed: Not quite, I've got two more Model Ms behind me, which represents a _very_ optimistic view of my life expectancy :-/ 13:40 Pinkbeast gets it 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] elethera (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 27828 points, T:1389, killed by a wand 13:42 ah Model M is a nice NH board too 13:43 <@Umby> sure love when the mimic you're trying to slip by manages to hit through your high AC the second you step near it again 13:43 <@Umby> and for just enough damage to actually kill 13:43 I found one once in a server room after we migrated a company to O365 13:43 and it became mine 13:43 since it was no longer needed with the old IBM terminal in there we junked 13:44 mimics are good candidates for Elbereth 13:44 if you're trapped 13:44 except you can't do it in EvilHack 13:44 <@Umby> that's the thing, I'd done that to get a bit of breathing room and restore some HP 13:44 <@Umby> evidently not fucking enough 13:45 now I just watch out for the armor sitting in the delicatessen 13:45 but only masochists play games like evil and grunt >:) 13:45 well then you know me well 13:45 <@Umby> I repeat, it hit through -3 AC and for just enough damage to instafuck me because of course I can't have nice things for more than a few minutes at a time 13:46 you'll get it :) 13:46 Throw rocks down aisles in shops 13:46 <@Umby> cool, got a wand of magic missile off a kobold 13:46 <@Umby> I knew where the mimic was. 13:46 don't do risky things Umby 13:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:46 you can also throw a single $ down each lane so you don't have to carry rocks 13:46 <@Umby> This was a return trip to the shop and it'd blocked the goddamn door 13:46 but I know sometimes I just get bored and start dipping potions at level 1 13:46 it happens 13:47 <@Umby> potion shop this time, some water in here 13:47 can't tell you the number of "good" starts I've lost because I thought I could survive just one more hit 13:47 oh exactly 13:47 <@Umby> actually no, lemme not 13:47 take a tip from Adeon and engrave every time you take 1hp of damage lol 13:47 <@Umby> literally no way to tell what is and isn't mimic in here 13:48 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 13:48 <@malor> doesn't throwing a gold piece work? 13:48 'instafuck' 13:48 i like that 13:48 new conduct \o/ 13:48 I know, add that to websters 13:48 yes @malor 13:48 <@Umby> as in I can't tell by looking 13:48 that's what I do 13:48 % was instafuckt by a spear from the ground 13:49 <@Umby> and I don't feel like playing hit and run in a shop when I should be finding armor/weapons posthaste 13:49 need a sanity check on vanilla - when I try to dip, I get an infinitely repeating prompt on my laptop - thought it was a stuck-key so I tried on a desktop but ran into the same problem 13:49 <@Umby> lawful altar 13:49 <@Umby> neat 13:49 that's not normal 13:49 anyone else with this weirdness? saving and coming back in doesn't seem to help 13:49 I've never seen that 13:50 but I did have a potion in my inventory earlier that was identified from the start of the game turn back into a cyan potion 13:50 ....hey where did my restore ability potion go??? 13:50 eraserhead it seems to be a bug 13:50 <@Umby> I remember way back when when I first started messing about I got the 1-in-whatever purple worm from a shrieker 13:50 I've been getting similar messages 13:51 jonathanhanes - thx - this kind of bug is so bizarre that I could've swore it was a bad keyboard on my end - thx for the sanity check 13:51 https://imgur.com/a/SBWcXxy 13:52 jonathanhanes i reported that to the devteam already 13:52 you rock K2 ;) 13:52 had a coredump from that crash 13:52 there's a fix already in, it should show up in a few hours 13:52 <@Umby> cool, two floors with altars 13:52 so i had something substantial to report 13:52 <@Umby> let's see if I can get sacs going maybe 13:52 paxed yay \o/ 13:53 i will update 363-hdf as soon as I see it and have time 13:53 thx - it's kinda unplayable atm - I'll log out and try again later tonight then - TY ^^ 13:53 K2: did I tell you I have an NH4 save that persists as a save even though i died? 13:53 eraserhead97 switch to tty mode 13:53 hackedhead no you did not 13:53 oh - it's a curses bug? 13:53 si 13:53 ic 13:53 K2: I have an NH4 save that persists even though I died. ;-) 13:54 :) 13:54 loading it sends me directly to replay mode. 13:55 and advancing the replay to the end boots me out to the menu 13:55 can't even spectate epic tourist deaths because umby is playing local :0 13:55 we had this issue once before I think many moons ago 13:55 FIQ knew how to edit the save to get it out of that mode 13:57 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58 <@Umby> please be an armor shop 13:58 <@Umby> nooooOOOO 13:59 <@Umby> fucking levelport trap got my dog 13:59 you didn't need him anyway 13:59 <@Umby> yeah, wasn't planning on living through this run anyway. 13:59 oh snap 13:59 <@Umby> ... 13:59 <@Umby> there's an armor shop 14:00 <@Umby> but a fucking leprechaun is in it. 14:00 drop your gold and sock him 14:00 leprechauns arn't a thing if you have no money 14:00 just leave him alone he shouldn't bug you unless you wake him up 14:00 <@Umby> the problem is getting him out the shop to finish him 14:00 yeah but he can kill him as long as he drops his money first 14:00 <@Umby> I'm a tourist with one piece of armor, he'll wake up anyway 14:01 then you can take his gold and buy more armor 14:01 He shouldn't wake up unless you specifically do something wake him up like kick a door down or make noise 14:01 get u a nice ring of teleport control and eat that little irishman for dinner 14:01 <@Umby> then I find a dwarf dug her way over and picked up my gold 14:01 <@Umby> just fucking rudeness all around 14:02 nah just walk up to the leprechaun, drop all your gold and attack 14:02 <@Umby> I already took care of them 14:02 that's my standard routine for those 14:03 <@Umby> compared to the RNG bitchslap fest earlier this is more inconvenient than tilting 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6160 14:03 <@Umby> anyway time to find my dog because not curse testing armor is a really fucking bad idea, perhaps 14:04 yeah people go without a pet but I don't prefer it either 14:05 time to level up the pseudodragon in the mines 14:09 <@Umby> may as well use the altar to curse test what I have while I look for the dog 14:09 <@Umby> with my luck he's probably on lv8 14:09 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 14:09 there u go 14:09 'RNG bitchslap fest' 14:09 this is gold 14:09 lol yes 14:10 Let the hate flow through you Umby 14:10 praise the sun 14:10 \o/ 14:10 <@Umby> I'm going to have to kill the joke here and say that's a highly undesirable state of mind for me. 14:11 Take lots of pretty pictures of the dungeon for us 14:12 <@Umby> no obvious sign of dog in first 5 floors 14:12 If you're mad now, imagine how I felt when my aligned priest decided to kill me at random because he was afraid of zombies... 14:12 <@Umby> either he got rolled to lower floors or ended up in the mines 14:12 <@Umby> both undesirable outcomes 14:13 <@Umby> dog's on fl7 14:13 <@Umby> hopefully killing the hobbit with a wand of digging I just found 14:13 YANI: new scroll of 'unfuck yourself' - cures any and all aliments, blessed/fooproofs/max enchants all your armor and weapons, recharges all wands, uncurses any cursed items in open inventory, sets spell learned timeout back to max, stomach content, favor with deity at max, luck at max 14:13 ah, reunited. how sweet 14:13 <@Umby> oh, that's a nope 14:13 <@Umby> got away, but I have my pet's location at least 14:14 K2: luck zeroed 14:14 K2 oh are you making GoodHack? 14:14 that item will fit in nicely 14:14 no, aosdict already did that 14:14 lol for real? 14:14 <@Umby> LOL 14:14 <@Umby> found a throne room by accident, get cornered by a floating eye 14:14 xNethack/EvilHack are like the opposite sides of the same coin :P 14:15 aaah 14:15 not really 14:15 <@Umby> I'm close to done at this point 14:15 in many aspects, yes 14:15 xnethack and slex, now that I can see 14:15 we dont count slex 14:15 slex is the Great Outlier 14:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:16 @Umby :/ 14:16 <@Umby> few more tries and I find a glass dildo for this game to choke on 14:16 <@Umby> ... 14:16 you can get better mileage with a flexi rubber one 14:16 <@Umby> kobold with a wand of fire. 14:16 <@Umby> fuck this. 14:16 wow 14:16 kobolds can get wands of fire in pretty much every variant to be fair 14:17 * K2 waits for the massive ragequit rant 14:17 <@Umby> You're gonna die waiting. 14:17 aww 14:17 what actually is the easiest variant? 14:17 surprise! you thought it was me, Umby. but it was actually me, JarlEarl! 14:17 lol 14:17 <@Umby> Literally who. 14:17 jonathanhanes: nethack4 is usually cited as such 14:18 was a player who gave evilhack a serious go a few months back 14:18 @Umby apparently had a massive ragequit rant a few months ago 14:18 he lost it when a trap door exploded on him 14:18 (JarlEarl did. not you.) 14:18 was the straw that broke the camels back 14:18 where are you playing Umby? I don't see your game 14:18 he's playing on his phone >.> 14:18 s/he is playing local 14:18 k 14:18 filthy mobile game player 14:18 oh I see 14:19 *shudder* 14:19 <@Umby> singular they exists 14:19 evilhack on a phone? someone managed to compile that? 14:19 <@Umby> (but I go by "he/him") 14:19 <@Umby> evilhack, please 14:19 i have a hard enough time typing on a normal keyboard. my monkey paws would screw everything up playing on a phone 14:19 <@Umby> this is just vanilla nethack for android 14:19 aosdict no 14:19 <@Umby> with vanilla GWTWOD scenarios such as the above 14:20 @Umby https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack 14:20 I used to play nethack on my tablet before I found hardfought 14:20 or see the nethackwiki 14:20 K2: don't type on a phone with a magical wish-twisting item 14:20 <@Umby> I know what Evilhack is 14:20 Got blown up by a drawbridge once 14:20 <@Umby> evilhack, please 14:21 ^ misunderstood apparently 14:21 <@Umby> You did, my apology 14:21 :P 14:21 <@Umby> Since something has to actually be my fault at this rate 14:21 <@Umby> meant as in "please, like the game even needs to go that hard" 14:21 ah 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:7933 14:21 for some it does 14:22 blah I never get early WoW :( 14:22 <@Umby> I'm not at the requisite amount of self-loathing required to play something like evilhack and odds are I'll swing before then 14:22 baaahaha 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7987 14:23 i have a fair amount of ascensions under my belt, including every role in grunthack and a few sporkhack wins. I needed something to take it to the next level 14:23 Umby is like Bill Burr or Lewis Black in IRL 14:24 <@Umby> Literally who 14:24 angry cynical comedians 14:24 Umby is probably someones sweet little grandma somewhere who only cusses online 14:24 that would be even better 14:24 <@Umby> cynical implies I expect this game to fuck me the way it has these last few runs 14:24 I would watch that show 14:25 <@Umby> And I'm only 26 14:25 'nana IS a whore!' 14:25 and already so jaded 14:25 heh 14:25 some people learn how things really are early on 14:26 K2: at one point I used to have a bug fix for it 14:26 nooo 'gamgam' 14:26 not nana 14:26 but I had to revert it because it allowed you to unquit games 14:26 after getting DYWYPI 14:26 ah right 14:27 <@Umby> Excessive cynicism is literally unhealthy for me as is and I prefer to spend my dubiously defined existence not making shit more miserable than it is. 14:27 <@Umby> So pardon me if I'm not feeling particularly funny about this 14:27 no worries 14:27 we wouldnt be laughing either if roles were reversed 14:27 all good, we've all been there 14:27 @Umby you mentioned a fiqhack problem? 14:27 which is why i keep a spare kboard handy 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8040 14:27 FIQ no it was hackerhead 14:28 <@Umby> I did not 14:28 ah 14:28 sorry 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7051 14:28 crapola - left my pickaxe in minetown - gotta retreat from soko 14:28 +3 hard shoes 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:8059 14:28 stfu K2 14:28 don't even start 14:29 ... what? 14:29 <@Umby> this game just gave me <30 gold to start. 14:29 you and yr darn curses 14:30 let me have my joy over a nice armor drop lol 14:30 money can't buy you happiness 14:30 <@Umby> I'd like to settle for buying my way to not fucking dying instantly 14:30 darn curses... did i miss something? 14:30 It can buy you speed boots though 14:30 guess so 14:30 you tend to tell folks they're going to die 14:31 <@Umby> elven boots and displacment cloak on the floor along with some potions and a lock pick is 14:31 oh... the +3 hard shoes were cursed? 14:31 <@Umby> adequate ig. 14:31 bahaha 14:31 no 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 cloak of protection", on T:8061 14:31 interesting wish 14:31 I guess somebody wants MC3 14:31 not fireproof? 14:32 apparently not 14:32 smh 14:33 hate giving up nice mithril for leather, but such is the life of a wiz 14:33 <@Umby> depends on the wizard 14:33 too much metal for me 14:34 wizard is just a melee role with spells anyway 14:34 you ARE playing orc wizard right? 14:34 <@Umby> if you play it wrong, yeah 14:34 the only metal things I wear on a wizard are the ones that take low turns to take off 14:34 I guess I can play melee wiz until I get more spells later on 14:34 suits take too long 14:34 I got a random human wiz 14:34 neutral 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:8084 14:34 Shields are surprisingly good to equip though 14:34 they only take like 1 turn to remove 14:35 shoes and helmets don't really do too much, they're generally fine to wear 14:35 <@Umby> iunno what this train person is doing, and I get the feeling they might not have the savvy to know what to go for, but I hope they're having fun regardless. 14:35 <@Umby> no sarcasm, aside from fact that I'dve rather tried my luck with the dungeon providing a source of levitation 14:36 I was lucky to get 2MM's early on so got my AC down to -16 for solo (but that's with mithril) - no casting with this metal on 14:36 well they've got everything they need to rush the castle wand 14:36 for solo, I mean 14:36 soko - damn spell checker 14:36 <@Umby> yeah, there's the possibility of speeding towards the castle 14:36 oh well in that case, that AC might be worth it 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2920 14:37 melee wiz, it is, then - with MB and =oregen for emergencies, I should be fine (famous last words before soko treasure room) 14:37 with MB? you're set\ 14:38 ty ^^ 14:38 -16ac and magicbane 14:38 you'll be fine 14:38 and regen 14:38 plus every resistance ring 14:39 just uncursed a TC ring - just need a l corpse now 14:39 *gets bodied by an out of depth air elemental 14:39 rofl 14:39 classic nethack 14:39 oh but you've got tooled horn 14:39 geez might as well just ascend at this point 14:39 rofl 14:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:40 got one lucky blessed id that helped a lot 14:40 yah your character is looking pretty good 14:40 <@Umby> the one run I get low staring gold and 2 of first 3 floors have shops. 14:40 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:41 ya - if no YASDs (knock on wood), this one looks doable 14:41 <@Umby> fuck it, just restarting 14:42 <@Umby> better starting cash but moot point if I don't find a viable weapon fast 14:43 @Umby are u scumming tourist? 14:43 <@Umby> No 14:43 go to the bitter end 14:43 <@Umby> I only quit that one run and that's from mounting frustration of previous ones 14:44 kk ^^ which role do u have now? 14:44 <@Umby> still trying tourist 14:44 <@Umby> if I'm having this much trouble getting runs going the switching roles won't necessarily solve it 14:44 tourist real tough in the beginning, but it's one of my top 3 favorite roles 14:44 valk has pretty strong starts 14:45 so does monk 14:45 tourist is tricky to get going 14:45 but strong later on 14:45 <@Umby> I have a Valk that yanked Vorpal Blade off a random gnome 14:45 ya - if you've never ascended, dwarves valk is the standard choice 14:45 <@Umby> still sitting on my shelf as we speak 14:45 having not played much Tourist, what makes it strong late game jonathanhanes? 14:45 PYEC? 14:45 infinite recharge on all tools and wands 14:45 <@Umby> yep, blessed charging and magic res 14:46 double weapon 14:46 <@Umby> can get skill slots on p. much any weapong 14:46 good gift artis 14:46 oh twoweapon 14:46 wow ok 14:46 ...and crazy shops in quest... 14:46 so they can kinda do it all 14:46 pair frostbrand or vorpal with a +7 silver saber 14:46 tons of loot in quest yea 14:46 nice 14:46 my favorite class and the one I've ascended the most 14:46 huh, I'll have to give it a try again somet ime 14:47 I actually love tourist's flexibility in using anything in early game 14:47 yah you can pick up pretty much any weapon that's not a club and use it 14:47 curved sword is the best early game weapon for a tourist 14:47 unless you're lucky enough to find a long sword 14:48 fwiw, barbarian's also a relatively easy ascension (if you use the Cleaver carefully) 14:48 the broad pick is a very hard hitting weapon to start with too if you can find one 14:48 they say unicorn horns are good but I've never used them personally since by the time you can kill a unicorn easily, you've usually found something better 14:49 <@Umby> you usually let your pets do that 14:49 <@Umby> and to be fair they're not difficult in theory if you know how to work wand angles 14:49 I don't play with pets though 14:50 <@Umby> latter still applies 14:50 pets are not really worth it in the beginning imo 14:50 <@Umby> also digging pits 14:51 I find pets useful in early game for getting mithril off of dwarves if I don't have strong melee or have some race/alignment/friendliness issues 14:52 but they're pretty useless in mid to late games (unless you're doing them for fun( 14:52 like purple-worm pets 14:52 rev-gene purple-worm ascension's da bomb 14:53 rev-geno 14:58 <@Umby> someone misaimed a force bolt, looks like. 14:59 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 15:02 <@Umby> polymorph gone wrong perhaps? 15:03 <@Umby> idk much about dnet in particular but that seems MOST likely 15:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:09 <@Umby> speaking of YASD (sorta) 15:09 <@Umby> anyone had that problem where pets linger around falling rock traps after you trip them yourselves 15:10 I never got why that is. Do they want to pick up the rocks but avoid the trap? Like in that one robot story by Asimov? 15:11 <@Umby> Basically 15:11 gonna collect a huge collection of tools and polymorph for pickaxe i suppose... but i can't get to the branch with all the TOOLS because i don't have a pickaxe and it's all blocked off 15:12 like river blocking me on DL1 15:13 !who 15:13 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] rebatela [evil] AntiVirus [evil] Luxidream [nh4] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13 eventually i will kill something with one is what i keep thinking but nope 15:15 oh in the mines 15:15 rebatela 15:15 Luxi's moving so fast I can't tell what he's doing 8^P 15:17 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:18 <@Umby> have a long sword and a healing spell 15:18 <@Umby> now to find some armor 15:19 yah luxi can do in 1 hour what I can do in like 4 15:20 I like his amber background - gonna steal his rc ^^ 15:20 no mf in nh4 right? 15:21 mf? 15:21 mysterious force 15:21 oh, I can't remember which one of them got rid of it 15:21 i think most? could be wrong 15:23 anyone remember the URL for rc files? (example, please?) 15:23 I don't think nh4 removed the mysterious force. 15:24 i'm a big fan of it 15:24 Its mission wasn't to remove sources of frustration, it was to remove interface screws 15:24 i've read about that 15:25 time for class 15:25 zzz 15:25 actually ais523 would probably say it was to clean up the codebase 15:25 <@Umby> but if you remove the screws then how do you hold up the UI 15:25 or something 15:25 <@Umby> ?????? 15:25 pay attention and study hard luxidream :D 15:25 eraserhead97: https://hardfought.org/userdata/ 15:26 is there a force luxi? obviously knows... he just flew through gehennom with amulet. I couldn't even tell watching 15:26 ty ^^ 15:27 aosdict: i think sometimes i disagree on what others believe are "interface screws" though... I dunno. I've gotten used to tty vanilla and just think that that's nethack ? 15:29 like the first time i ever hit e y and died because i thought i was eating something on the floor and for whatever reason i wasn't and i was wieldin a cockatrice corpse occupied by letter 'y'? 15:29 i love that part of the game 15:30 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30 rebatela: the usual definition of an interface screw is a problem that would go away if you built a custom windowport for nethack and threw every conceivable UI enhancement you could think of in there 15:30 oh ok 15:31 example: amnesia. I could build a windowport or UI enhancer tool that remembers what every item looks like so if I get amnesia'd, it auto-renames the items. Therefore, amnesia is an interface screw. 15:31 <@Umby> nooooo 15:31 <@Umby> NOOOO 15:31 <@Umby> NOOOOOOOOOOO 15:31 and I could do that without touching the core game code. 15:31 <@Umby> fucking orc town 15:31 that amnesia example is just cheating in my book 15:32 an example of something that isn't interface screw is the mysterious force. no matter how good your interface is, you can't really do anything to stop it from happening 15:32 but i am a vanilla player for life. i don't really fit in here lol 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11093 15:32 i get the difference... i thought most variants removed it though. doesn't xnh? 15:32 <@Umby> it doesn't rely on your interface to begin with though, does it? 15:33 i made it out of the dungeon in evilhack... It was hard, but what a difference knowing you're NOT going back down 15:33 it does, but that's because I felt that the mysterious force was an awful feature, not because it was a shortcoming in the interface 15:33 it's probably THE most unpopular feature of vanilla nethack 15:34 that's why i think mf is good. It's universally hated 15:34 there are so many fun variants to try though rebatela 15:34 oh yeah i'm learning that quick 15:34 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 15:34 even without making things obnoxiously difficult like grunt or evil 15:34 i've been binge playing EH, but plan on trying them all now 15:35 <@Umby> time for another rousing game of "there's no fucking way I'm doing orc town with no armor"! 15:36 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 15:36 <@Umby> got a container and a not-a-load graystone but fuck 15:36 <@Umby> wondering if I shouldn't just rush soko because even if I try my luck on the other unexplored mine floor I'm afraid I'll just lost 15:36 <@Umby> lose* 15:37 <@Umby> oh, curved sword also 15:37 <@magicbymcluxey> !whereis Umby 15:37 @magicbymcluxey: Umby is not playing. 15:37 <@Tone> Would it be cheating if you were essentially unaffected by amnesia because you had very good memory? Because you took good notes? Because you went back and looked at your ttyrec? 15:37 also, the relief you get when you reach the valley (on the way up) you don't get when you haven't been dealing with it 15:38 <@Tone> It's a weird line to draw and I don't think any of it is really cheating 15:38 <@Umby> phone player here lol 15:38 @Tone One of my own reasons for removing amnesia was that I didn't want to encourage tedious behaviors like taking your own notes. 15:38 If your game encourages tedious behavior, there is a game design problem. 15:39 <@Umby> also the only other reason is obsolete because you can learn a spell and then forget it manually 15:39 <@Umby> if you're trying to do so on purpose 15:39 amnesia is supposed to ruin your game 15:39 if you just have to click on some app or something that is ridiculous and yes it's cheating 15:39 <@Tone> aosdict: Yes, it was technically optimal to screenshot every map and document every new discovery 15:39 taking a screenshot is too 15:40 <@magicbymcluxey> OK, then I'll draw the maps by hand 15:40 <@Umby> the game itself encourages note taking via annotations though 15:40 <@Tone> Is it cheating to look up item prices to price ID? 15:40 spoilers?? of course 15:40 lol 15:40 i know we are all well spoiled 15:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:40 <@Umby> price ID isn't an absolute identifier 15:40 but in your individual game the items are randomized 15:41 <@Tone> ha, we have very different views on this 😄 15:41 <@Umby> in some cases it makes it easier to guess 15:41 rebatela: Surely developers, being evil, could come up with many other ways to ruin your game than some effect which is trivially circumvented. 15:41 if i never had spoilers, by this point i would know all the items and be able to price id 15:41 <@Umby> but if you have a good ideas of the price ranges you can kinda guess which scroll is in what group 15:41 you have to look up the price of scrolls tone? 15:41 <@Umby> and outright know some off the rip just by looking 15:41 you don't know which scrolls are 200? 15:42 <@Tone> Not scrolls usually 15:42 * paxed has a line in his todo-file for changing amnesia 15:42 xnethack lets you look up base prices in-game. 15:42 <@Umby> He was just posing the question in any case 15:42 <@Tone> I occasionally look up prices though 15:42 people played this game for a long time before the wiki. it's how it was intended to be played. you could still price id 15:42 paxed: kill it dead please and thank you 15:42 <@Tone> Particularly if I'm ruling out already known items from a large price bracket 15:42 <@magicbymcluxey> if you can't take notes, then #name is also cheating 15:42 or if you want to leave it in, leave in the forgetting-spells part since that's character knowledge the player doesn't have 15:43 now we are getting into the philosophical discussion of how a single player game was intended to be played 15:43 hmmm 15:43 <@magicbymcluxey> in theory I can make ASCII maps using slime mold names to avoid amnesia 15:43 jonathanhanes: The answer is there is no "intention" of anything on the large scale, because the game was assembled by a multitude of people working on small parts at a time. 15:44 <@Umby> counterpoint: "spoiler culture" is frequently overemphasized and foreknowledge of certain elements, while changing how they are experience, does not always partially or fully diminish the ability to enjoy said elements, e.g. upon discovering them for the first time 'in-person' 15:44 <{Demo}2> ah yes the old fruit name ascii map maneuver 15:44 oh i look up prices all the time... like i said, we all use spoilers 15:45 ^ truth rebatela 15:45 i read everything i can 15:45 same here 15:45 but that doesn't mean there will be no fun and no surprises 15:45 <@Umby> that's part of what makes discussions of cheating a bit 🤔 15:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:45 <{Demo}2> it's all about where you draw the line 15:46 <{Demo}2> that line is drawn on a per game basis sometimes 15:46 if you can beat this game, even with spoilers, I'd say you earned it 15:46 for sure 15:46 a lot of nethack comes down to having the discipline to win 15:46 it's hard as hell even with spoilers 15:46 the people who play it all the time take that for granted sometimes i think 15:47 I mean, for example, what's your threshold for risk taking 15:47 there's a fine line there 15:47 hell yeah 15:47 and how much did you invest in prepping 15:47 there's so much strategy 15:47 and even just knowing all the rules, you have to get some inspiration about how you plan to win 15:47 and even still you have to get lucky too 15:47 I love it 15:48 same 15:48 if I'm feeling impatient, I'll get myself killed early dipping in fountians for example 15:49 <@Umby> yep yep yep 15:49 <@Umby> oh god 15:49 <@Umby> I'm never that impatient thank god 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13784 15:50 or if you are close to death, do you use all the possible escapes 15:50 I know many deaths I've had were probably avoidable if I used everything in my kit the right way I would have survived. 15:50 even fully spoiled, it's still a lot of brain work 15:51 as in "ah man I forgot to zap my wand of digging >" 15:52 I started taking on the attitude that if I died it was definitely all my fault, and something not to repeat 15:52 but those darn spikes.... 15:52 I'm not responsible for them haha 15:54 <@Tone> You can avoid traps in the early game if you are dedicated 15:55 <@Tone> It's honestly a little too tedious to be reasonable though 15:55 true that 15:55 you could search, or aquire searching 15:55 <@Tone> Searching isn't even completely reliable 15:55 searching from Excalibur is the best way there 15:56 IMHO 15:56 or a ring 15:56 <@Tone> You have to only step on tiles that you've seen something else step on, essentially 15:56 ah that's a nice tip too 15:56 <@Umby> 20s into step forward into surprise spiked pit into deadly poison 15:56 that feeling you get when you see a 'lamp' after 12000 turns and then realize you haven't even named an oil lamp 15:56 haha 15:56 naming lamps is HUGE 15:56 <@Umby> that'll leave you forever wondering if you shouldn't have gone for 21+ turns of searching 15:56 <@Umby> and it SURE is 15:57 I didn't even know about that until a month ago 15:57 <@Umby> good news, I tried checking mines above orc town and didn't die 15:57 I saw Adeon do it, and was like...yeah that's whats up 15:57 <@Umby> bad news, found fuck all 15:58 <@Tone> Searching 20 times at 0 luck only returns a 93% chance of finding a trap 15:58 or just dig hallways around rooms and never enter rooms :P 15:58 <@Tone> And you'll probably starve quickly 15:58 but you will also probably starve 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:01 <@Umby> also STILL no armor 16:01 <@Umby> WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S A THRONE ROOM HERE 16:01 <@Umby> this is literally the worst time to find one ever 16:02 <@magicbymcluxey> there used to be wiki advice that said "advanced players" did that 16:02 <@magicbymcluxey> lmao 16:03 <@Umby> used camera, still get hit twice, fucking dead 16:04 <@Umby> next game, find armor immediately, but it's chain mail and likely cursed, and kitten dies to a fucking fox 16:04 <@magicbymcluxey> don't get emotionally attached to your nethack pet 16:04 <@Umby> who said anything about emotions 16:04 yes much like pets IRL they don't live as long as you 16:04 <@Umby> I'm looking for basic fucking competence here 16:05 <@Umby> see, most of my pets thus far haven't died to the first enemy they've seen though 16:07 Never worry about your starting pet dying with this one easy trick! Hackers hate him! 16:07 OPTIONS=nopet 16:07 lol 16:08 <@Umby> bold of you to assume I'm experienced enough to play tourists without early backup 16:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:09 I believe in you Umby 16:09 <@Umby> also don't like having to rely on altar RNG for curse testing 16:09 OPTIONS=nope 16:09 just put on that un id-ed scale mail 16:09 what's the worst that can happen 16:10 you needed the ac it's not like you were going to take it off anyway :) 16:11 almost some logic to that idea 16:11 sometimes early on I'll wear a cursed armor if it's good enough 16:12 <@Umby> and then it turns out the armor's -2 enchantment 16:12 but scale is AC4 16:12 so you gain something 16:13 and you can chuck scrolls at it to find remove curse or destroy armor 16:13 can always dip in fountain or find a nymph and strip 16:13 <@Umby> >random scroll reading 16:13 <@Umby> might as well just go fountain dipping for wishes 16:13 yah nymphs are good for that 16:13 foocubus 16:14 <@Umby> at the least I'm reasonably certain I'll die 16:14 that's a given anyway though 16:14 :P 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13380 16:14 <@Umby> yes but if I die I'd rather it not be to pressing my luck 16:15 <@Umby> or some circumstance I couldn't anticipate at all 16:16 to me, only YASDs are unacceptable - other random deaths are just part of the game 16:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:16 <@Umby> conversely, bad decision YASDs are on me and I know who to blame for that 16:16 it's all about choosing your risks 16:16 some are unacceptable 16:17 <@Umby> as opposed to the first step I take in a room lining me up with, say, a kobold 16:17 <@Umby> that happens to have something extremely lethal like 16:17 lol yeah with a wands fo fire 16:17 <@Umby> say 16:17 <@Umby> a wand of fire 16:17 death-via-boredom happens more often than I care to admit (especially with easy roles) 16:18 <@Umby> I usually save-and-quit during good runs if I feel thtt coming on 16:18 <@Umby> so I don't blow the game and have something to continue later 16:18 death-via-exhaustion (then YASD)'s a close cousin 16:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:22 one of my favorite new things to do is to put all my potions in a plain sack and dip them 16:22 I just started doing that, and it's good 16:23 fewer dips for water 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] mojo4 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 747 points, T:1343, killed by a dwarf 16:25 <@Umby> that's not a bad idea actually 16:25 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:25 yeah and you can simultaneously identify oilskin vs plain sacks 16:26 and run fewer risks of water demons, snakes, and use less fountains over all 16:26 unless later on you want those 16:26 <@Umby> nice, died to a giant bat because two of my darts decided to miss while he ate my HP 16:26 does the water effect all of them? 16:26 only some of them?? 16:27 I donno, it does more than one 16:27 and I just keep removing the clear ones until they are all water 16:27 nice 16:27 it's like if you fell in the water 16:27 and it only counts as one dip 16:27 so it has a chance not to hit some of them 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] mojo4 (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 29 points, T:140, killed by a goblin 16:29 I've been digging into fountains and taking a dip, but putting them in a bag might be faster... 16:30 oh like go swimming in the water you made? 16:30 yeah and hey bonus, you might still have a fountain when you are done 16:30 that is where water walking boots really come in handy 16:30 aye - but these count as pools (when you dig into a fountain) 16:30 digging can't make snakes 16:30 ^ that's a valid point 16:31 what happens when you dig down on a sink? 16:31 can you even? 16:31 aye - I think you also get pools 16:31 <@Tone> Turns into a fountain iirc 16:31 well I like to leave my fountains intact if I can 16:31 I think you're right tone 16:31 I can't recall ever doing it though 16:32 you can get altars and thrones from dropping a ring of polymorph down a sink 16:32 but I've never had the opportunity 16:35 i like how the watch don't get mad if you flood minetown with water, as long as the fountain is ok 16:36 -!- ichbinmiah has quit [] 16:36 like when it happens randomly (not the one after being warned) 16:37 The Watch have really strange laws. 16:38 <@Umby> sinks become fountains if you dig on them I think 16:39 they do. 16:40 <@Umby> welp 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had an etched staff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:7990 16:45 <@Umby> hm, armor and general shops early but they're duds 16:45 <@Umby> short of CPM I don't have the gold for 16:45 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 <@Umby> also a mattock but I already got one first floor 16:45 -!- dopplerg- has joined #hardfought 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3051 16:49 <@Umby> I like how it says "became literate" as opposed to "displayed literacy" 16:49 the magic words appeared in my head and I wrote them down! I can read now! 16:50 <@Umby> such is the wonder of Elbereth that he can bestow 6th grade reading knowledge upon those who call thier name 16:50 Elbereth is female 16:50 <@Umby> wasn't sure, ty 16:51 <@Umby> but yeah, that conduct message from engraving her name makes it funny to imagine illiterate conduct characters 16:51 <@Umby> particularly those with high Int 16:53 is it semantically correct when i say 'the bargain was broken'? 16:53 <@Umby> sounds right to me 16:53 like someone made a deal with someone else but didn't keep his side of the bargain 16:53 didn't 16:53 didn't fulfil his side of the bargain 16:54 And then his tongue was loosed and his voice cried in a language which he did not know: 16:54 A Elbereth Gilthoniel 16:54 o menel palan-diriel, 16:54 le nallon sí di’nguruthos! A tiro nin, Fanuilos! 16:54 And with that he staggered to his feet and was Sam wise the hobbit, Hamfast's son, again. 16:55 <@Umby> that a direct quote? 16:55 <@Umby> or just something you spun together? 16:55 It's from lotr 16:55 by happy chance I have The Two Towers sitting right here 16:56 yep 16:56 :) 16:56 that part always gives me chills 16:56 https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=1140 16:57 sometimes it can really suck not even being able to pass the first level of mines ... i actually finally said screw it and tried to swim ( i put my scrolls and potions and all that under a boulder) but my stethoscope and polymprh wanded eventuall rusted away . i'm so mad 16:57 rusted away completely? 16:57 yes 16:57 wow 16:57 evilhack really is evil 16:57 after a few dips 16:57 but i wouldn't had done it if i knew that actually happened 16:57 I mean it's right there in the name but still 16:57 hehe 16:58 all the water in nethack is magical super-rusting water 16:58 i'm fine with it. just didn't know. but i don't like the rivers on DL1 of the branch when you can't cross at all. 16:58 i'm also having terrible luck i should have killed omsething the dungeon with a pickaxe by now 16:58 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:58 usually it's not that big of a deal 16:59 but in vanilla, not only would there not be an uncrossable river in the early mines, it wouldn't wash your wand or stethescope away completely... 17:00 Couldn't you throw all your wettable stuff across and jump in, or is it a 2-space river? 17:00 i don't think.. never done it 17:00 if it was a 2-space river there wouldn't be any point in jumping in 17:00 well the spot where i crossed was only one step but after that it was more 17:00 aosdict: Indeed, hence the use of "or" 17:01 i have money to donate to temple 17:01 can't get to minetown 17:01 can't you just dig down 17:01 no temple yet 17:01 YANI: When you fall into water, you can choose the space you climb out on 17:01 I DON'T HAVE A PICKAXE 17:01 oh 17:01 polymorph the floor 17:01 i've been crying about it all day ;) 17:02 his poly wand rusted away 17:02 right? lol 17:02 #quit 17:02 "The floor turns into delicious banana custard!" 17:02 never 17:02 alternatively #ragequit 17:02 k2 is going to come in and say i could have fooproofed both the stethoscope and polymorph wand 17:02 I think slex implemented #ragequit 17:02 which in evilhack is true i believe 17:03 you could have zapped yourself with poly until you were a flying monster 17:03 i wanted those 3 polycharges 17:03 for far more important things 17:03 i would have left the wand and stethoscope behind with my scrolls etc. 17:03 start quaffing fountains and wish for pickaxe 17:03 at least i knew not to bring them ? 17:04 jonathanhanes: my second or third wish in nh is usally a spellbook of polymorph 17:04 (vanilla) 17:04 There's probably a trap that means #ragequit tattoos "I love SLEX" on your arm 17:05 I guess just keep dungeon diving until you find wand of digging, wand of cold, some means of levitation, or scrolls of earth 17:05 yeah. that's the plan 17:05 couldn't you use the soko scrolls of earth? 17:05 it's more than just a square or two i need to cross 17:05 and i kinda cherish those scrolls until i get a marker 17:05 but 1 scroll makes 9 boulders 17:05 should be enough to bridge most gaps 17:06 earth scrolls are cheap to write but early game... in evilhack sometimes you only get 1 in soko 17:06 i'll show you the map if i go back there 17:06 it's a river 17:07 can I see your inventory? 17:07 the real thing is that i should have found a pickaxe on a monster by now, and i will soon 17:08 I'm spectating you now 17:08 i need a wish 17:09 honestly I would just use one of those earth scrolls to make a bridge 17:09 i will if i have to 17:09 i would like to buy that first d4 of protection and get luckstone and tools etc. 17:09 ok i'm gonna go back 17:09 one of those potions might be levitation as well 17:09 have you seen the map? 17:09 i just did a long swim there like a moron 17:09 I think I caught a glimpse of it earlier 17:10 actually nevermind i figured it out 17:10 i just got teleprot control 17:10 <@Umby> double tapped and deaded 17:10 i can teleport to the stiars 17:10 <@Umby> at least it was my fault this time 17:10 but that just happened 17:10 yah I saw you had some tele scrolls 17:10 and a tele wand, could try your luck with those 17:11 wow you're getting out of this one 17:11 grats 17:11 lol 17:11 i was fine 17:11 i just need a pickaxe 17:11 and mr... i really need a wish 17:11 i can't go too much deeper without mr 17:11 The Blue Angels are flying overhead here at the Golden Gate Bridge. Very Pretty. 17:12 jonathanhanes: i want the earth scrolls for the quest... master kaen 17:12 there are no markers in evilhack 17:12 earth is the cheapest scroll to write in vanilla.. i do it all the time 17:12 but in eh (and i'm guessing grunt) sometimes soko only has ONE 17:13 technically mail is the cheapest scroll to write in vanilla ;) 17:14 you know what i mean 17:14 earth and gold detect a few others are like 4 charges or something 17:14 but if there are no markers that doesn't mean anything 17:14 other than the soko scrolls they can be rare 17:15 at least until you get poly again 17:21 that's quite the river rebatela 17:23 demon but no wish, classic 17:23 there's no way the chances are the same in eh 17:23 probably borked to all hell 17:23 ive gotten hundreds of demons on the early level and no wishes 17:23 I'm on lvl 5 17:23 you'd have to ask K2 17:23 those are good odds to get a wish 17:23 i have asked him 17:24 do they nerf lamp wishes in evil as well? 17:24 no 17:24 one specific variant that does that and it's annoying 17:24 he claims he didn't change anything actually... wishes are the same for the most part 17:24 then just sounds like bad rng 17:24 and it all matches up except the fountain demons... 17:25 the only change is if you find a random WoW they are precharged 17:25 !8ball will rebatela get their wish? 17:25 jonathanhanes: Cannot predict now 17:25 the rng even eludes beholderbot 17:25 sucks i didn't knows and wishes for charging like you would with a wand of wishing and then went to wish again and it exploded 17:26 you are gaining so much experience :D 17:26 but the castle wand is normal like vanilla 17:26 i'm gonna keep dipping in this fountain then kill the guard if he gives me crap (or maybe just put him to sleep) 17:27 check out the shops first 17:27 b4 you anger the watch 17:27 Oh man I had so much fun with the town guards 17:27 I angered one by mistake, and dropped a scroll of scare monster 17:27 and made short work of them 17:27 is their behavior different in evil? 17:28 sounds like someone has your pickaxe 17:30 keep this floating eye here for after i murder everyone and need an acuity snack 17:31 i can't kill the general store man. yet... 17:31 but for now he's a freaking god send 17:31 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:77012 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:77014 17:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41 YEEEEAAAAASSS!! 17:41 Chaotic altar in minetown in EH 17:41 hopefully this time my Priest doesn't jump the shark and decide to murder me for no reason 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15221 17:45 somtimes in vanilla i get wishes dipping in the fountains in mine's end like in the wine cellar one or catacombs 17:45 (wishful thinking ) 17:45 hehe 17:45 i always go back and dip in them 17:46 yeah I'm taking a page from your book and climbing back to lvl 1 with blessed luckstone in hand 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] mojo4 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 423 points, T:1123, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 17:46 and checking all the fountains 17:46 luck improves it right? 17:46 but see it is so hard to keep weaponless intact (the actual conduct) antivirus when you are playing monk 17:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:46 pickaxe 17:46 I could see making that mistake 17:47 like i just got the wine cellar one where you dig to the right for the luck stone? but i almost didn't switch back and if you hit something it's all over 17:47 what does that do aside from losing the conduct 17:47 nothing 17:47 k, you just lose your bragging rights 17:48 yeah... i don't care about the conduct but if you want it you really have to just put the pickaxe in bag... hard to do in gehennom tho when you want to dig tunnels 17:50 i got so lucky there... i remembered about polytraps and switched off the robe 17:50 then immiediately hit a polytrap.. got the new man message but still 17:50 forgot i don't have MR 17:51 hah! and it's not even a fountain on the wine cellar level, it's a damn forge 17:51 i wonder if they grant wishes 17:57 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 27555 points, T:2529, killed by a giant bat, while praying 18:04 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 10332 points, T:192, killed by a fox 18:05 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:09 it'd be sweet if one of these shopkeeps had a cloak of MR... last one had protection 18:14 ooooo smoky is sickness... 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of combat boots entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:4995 18:16 i i feel like theres a way to exploit that with alchemy but i don't have a ton of water potions yet 18:17 does anyone actually use the I command? 18:17 i wish i knew what drinking blessed sickness did in evilhack... it's probably instadeath 18:17 I guess there's no harm in keeping it around 18:18 what does it do ? lol 18:18 (that should tell you ) 18:18 allows you to list part of your inventory 18:18 ahh 18:18 oh that's cool 18:18 what for? 18:18 like looking in part of a contiainer 18:18 it's not like it gives you a proper filter 18:18 or you do it by take out or put in of a container 18:18 it merely allows you to filter by class 18:18 but i do it just for the filter all the time 18:19 not all uncursed/all unpaid/etc 18:19 i wish you could do it with a pile on the floor 18:19 basically the one thing that could make it actually useful 18:19 like a stash under a boulder as opposed to in a container 18:19 i wish you could just pick up and look at type the way you can with container 18:19 i like just keeping stash under boulder but the advantage of continer is that menu 18:20 wtf 18:20 but no... "I" i would never use i don't think 18:20 konsole has inherited the horrible behaviour where ░ use colors instead of characters 18:21 dont you every just want to see what potions are in your bag though? 18:21 I don't think I ever have, I mean, inventory's sorted by class anyway (normally) 18:21 I recall dealing with this travesty in gnome-terminal a few years ago 18:21 that's what I lets you do with main inventory 18:21 and was thankful konsole didn't have it 18:21 never knew that 18:21 it has spread further :( 18:23 if i had some sort of reliable range option like magic missle spell i would go fight kaen and get MR from him 18:23 build boulder fort 18:23 i need MR or i'm gonna die if i go deeper 18:23 or death wand would work lol 18:24 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10606 18:37 FIQ are you looking for keys to replace with commands? i bet you're right about people never using 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:11714 18:38 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38 i have the 'v' key maped to loot and "!" to teleport. ! does something in menus i think that i never use 18:39 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 18:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 18:40 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 18:43 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:43 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47 <@magicbymcluxey> you can remap that yourself in nh4 18:50 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 18:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:9406 18:59 greased bag in bones pile "There is a greased bag here, but you cannot lift any more." I'm assuming it's a cursed BoH. Any way to tip this while it's on the ground? 18:59 gonna try dropping everything else first 19:00 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:17737 19:01 oh shoot yes.... 19:01 racking my brain 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:17747 19:02 you can cancel it 19:02 to remove the curse 19:03 otherwise, drop a scroll of scare monster, or E-word that square until you can come back 19:03 put a boulder on it etc etc 19:03 @AntiVirus - oh - nice tip - didn't know that one - interesting zapping a cursed BoH is ok, but you can't put the wand inside - hehe 19:03 hehe 19:03 yeah I learned that trick on this channel during my ascension run 19:04 v.nice 19:04 asdf gifted me 2 bones piles this game (both asdf-Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha) 19:04 sweet 19:04 get anything good? 19:05 I found a fully enchanted Grayswandir in one of my bones fils 19:05 yeah - BoH, magic marker, lemme c what's in BoH 19:05 sweet 19:05 yeah don't loot it 19:05 untill you uncurse it. Items will dissapear 19:05 ya - I brought 2 holy water, luckily, with me 19:05 usually, I #tip those cursed Boys and lose stuff 19:06 yeah you would think theres a way to throw them at it, but there isn't 19:06 the bag is loaded - 2 magic markers, tons of wands, pots, etc... 19:06 well if you took a chance without canceling it first, just make sure to get it all out 19:06 but nice score 19:07 ya - only Xp:9 and already got reflection, MR, BoH - guess I can go for castle and try to get some art-wishes 19:07 Neutral so guess I can try for Orb of Weight (even though 3 arti's out) 19:08 yeah pretty nice 19:08 this random Wiz started w with a ring of regeneration, and magic missile as spells - almost felt like cheating 8^P 19:09 My, this is a yummy HTML dumpling! 19:09 though I almost died a few minutes ago to an air elemental - had to burn a ?oTaming 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:20000 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:20493 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78344 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:21453 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:78346 19:17 <@Umby> Hi 19:17 Hello @Umby, Welcome to #hardfought 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:78510 19:20 Hi 19:20 Hello AntiVirus, Welcome to #hardfought 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:23460 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23462 19:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:25484 19:24 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4759 points, T:6376, killed by Yeenoghu 19:24 crap 19:24 I summoned Yeenoghu 19:24 for no reason at all 19:25 then hit him by mistake with a stray magic missile 19:25 <@Umby> First try idiot 19:25 <@Umby> oh it WASN'T intentional 19:25 <@Umby> RIP 19:25 YASD 19:25 I was sacrificing in minetown 19:25 did you summon Y via chaotic sacrifice? 19:25 and got a little carried a way with a human sacrifice 19:25 yes 19:26 yeah - been there, done that 8^P 19:26 and he's just been buzzing around me for a couple thousand turns until the worst happned 19:26 honestly, I should have zapped digging instantly 19:26 as soon as he got angered 19:26 <@Umby> yeah, chaotic same-race sacrifice is fine even if you do it accidentally 19:26 <@Umby> and yeah that's usually the thing you do 19:26 <@Umby> though did you have a cure for the illness? 19:27 no illness 19:27 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:27 he just melee'd me 19:27 <@Umby> doesn't he just engulf usually? 19:27 in like one turn 19:27 <@riker> tha'ts juiblex 19:27 <@riker> yeen is missiles + para claw i think 19:28 <@Umby> Oh you said YEENOGHU 19:28 ya 19:28 <@Umby> I just woke up from a nap, ignore me 19:28 np 19:28 <@Umby> yeah, you were straight up fucked 19:28 well, that's one way to end a promising run 19:28 <@Umby> I read digging and just nodded along :B 19:28 ya - Yoghurt is brutal if you're only 2k turns in 19:29 and it's EvilHack. All the demons are stronger 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:24223 19:29 ALL my fault 19:29 hehe - I'm still too chicken to try Evil 19:29 I think my human sac days in minetown are over 19:29 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 19:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 19:30 although as chaotic, I do enjoy wiping out all shopkeepers ^^ 19:31 FIQ: The I command does let you list only items of a certain BUC or unpaid items. 19:31 <@Umby> I usually let shopkeepers alone 19:31 <@Umby> usually there's nothing so good I can't rob a vault later 19:31 AFAIK, it uses the same menu as the D command or containers. 19:32 Yeenoghu swipes his flail. 19:32 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:33 oh yeah in EvilHack the pseudodragon pet is OP 19:33 and it attacks shopkeepers 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:24547 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:24548 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class R, on T:24548 19:33 so I had cleared them out for cash for protection and took their stuff 19:33 I was sitting pretty 19:33 <@Umby> Oh, so pets 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:78856 19:33 <@riker> you know, that's kinda why I like dnh shk services - there's a reason to leave the dudes alive 19:33 <@Umby> Way different ballgame from attacking thme yourself 19:34 <@Umby> :B 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:78858 19:34 <@riker> they offer ID and uncursing sometimes, so ti's sometimes worth it to let them be 19:34 yeah anyone can let the pets attack 19:34 totes 19:34 <@Umby> I just leave them alive because going out of my way to kill them us just meaningless trouble 19:34 <@Umby> is* 19:34 <@Umby> note that I don't play variants so :B 19:34 well again, if you can kill them without any risk, and give all their gold to your aligned priest it's a very good idea 19:34 <@Umby> less "can't/won't", more "just doesn't" 19:35 <@Umby> nah u rite 19:35 <@riker> I mean dnh also doesn't let pets attack peacefuls unless conflicted I think 19:35 I got +6 defense bonus doing that 19:35 <@Umby> I just never have that incentive 19:35 <@riker> well, peaceful shks/priests :p 19:35 hmm... ...tempted to rubber-chicken this cross-aligned priest, but I'm not chaotic - unfortunate 19:35 it will be patched out soon (pseudodragon level nerf) 19:36 have polymorph? 19:36 <@Umby> If you're not chaotic you prob. weren't gonna sac them on their altar anyway 19:36 potion or wand? 19:36 you can poly the priest and then kill him 19:36 no murder, but beware you will still be struck by lightning 19:36 usually, I like to kill priests for their robes, but no need as a wiz... 19:37 well... anyway I was pushing my luck in minetown 19:37 I stayed there saccing for too long 19:38 were you sac'ing for gift or for holy water? 19:38 I had water 19:38 and I had gift #1 19:38 I was hoping for a better gift 19:38 gods in EvilHack don't usually give artifacts right away 19:39 <{Demo}2> they don't like to put out, yeah 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:26184 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker named roll higher this time", on T:26187 19:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 19:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27102 19:47 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 19:47 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:48 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Huan Ti, on T:13882 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:28093 19:51 <@riker> is it possible to reject atheism by consulting with the high priest of your god? lol 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 216 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28219 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28503 19:52 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28504 19:54 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:28786 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29186 19:58 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29647 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:29662 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:02 @riker "here I got you this thing. I guess you should use it." 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:29688 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:29852 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29855 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:30063 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving named oops aimed finger of death at myself", on T:30064 20:06 <@Umby> LUL 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed gain level", on T:30739 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 99 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30741 20:07 hey at least you were wearing the first one ? (i assume it's a replacement) 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30796 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:31027 20:09 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 33980 points, T:3300, killed by a giant mimic 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:31467 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:31735 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 988834 points, T:31761, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1570745220.nh.html 20:13 <@riker> congrats luxi 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:80571 20:17 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:17 <@Umby> GJ Luxi! 20:17 <@Umby> gl Bliss! 20:17 <@magicbymcluxey> ty 20:17 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 20:18 -!- dopplerg- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:23 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:80785 20:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:29 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:80837 20:36 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:40 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:80886 20:49 <@Umby> :ceriChamp: ? 20:50 <@magicbymcluxey> ? 20:53 <@Umby> Bliss is gonna make it 20:53 <@Umby> pls make it 20:55 <@riker> !lastasc Bliss56 20:55 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1569983734.nh.html 20:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:55 <@magicbymcluxey> He’s 80k turns in 20:55 <@riker> yeah bliss ascends pretty regularly that I've seen lol 20:56 <@magicbymcluxey> probably op lol 20:56 <@magicbymcluxey> I wouldn’t worry 21:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:80960 21:05 <@Umby> That's 3 down 21:07 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 21:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 69655 points, T:18799, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 21:07 <@Umby> Reba nooooo 21:08 <@riker> my dude, people die, it happens lol 21:08 :/ 21:08 <@Umby> doesn't mean you want it to happen 21:08 <@Umby> :GWmythiFeelsBadMan: 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3335724 points, T:80980, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1570400316.nh.html 21:09 <@Umby> GG! 21:10 riker's sacrifice gave Bliss56 the power to win 21:11 <@riker> you mean rebatela? :p 21:11 <@Umby> ^ 21:11 <@riker> I didn't die, I'm trying to patch dnh not play it rn lol 21:11 [backscroll] again, I did not change fountain wish behavior. at all. 21:11 heh 21:17 <@Umby> bold of you to assume patching a nethack variant isn't a game all its own 21:19 i don't mind dying. i LIKE that evil hack is hard. That's what drew me to nethack in the first place 21:19 dying randomily and being pissed off and learning from it 21:19 losing awesome characters. it's devastating... then you move on 21:22 that was an instance of playing while drinking and watching pats game tho. was my own fault 21:23 <@Umby> RIP 21:24 <@Umby> there's a quip about a potion of booze in there but I can't quite nail it 21:24 rebatela: same, minus the drinking 21:24 <@Umby> same re: "hacking while intoxicated" jokes 21:25 well my "playing" is TNNT dev version but 21:25 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 21:25 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:25 <@magicbymcluxey> pat? 21:25 <@Umby> !whomst 21:25 patriots 21:25 <@magicbymcluxey> !whomstd’ve 21:25 comma, new england 21:25 1 each 21:28 football game is much better than my nethack playing at this point 21:28 <@riker> they also get paid to play that and you don't :p 21:29 somehow luxidream will end up being the first paid nethack progamer 21:29 <@Umby> and as you say that Tate scores the freest TD ever 21:31 i usually dont start watching NFL until playoffs 21:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16966 21:35 <@Umby> bruh 21:35 <@Umby> The Pats are actually getting memed on right now 21:35 <@Umby> I love it 21:36 heh they always do 21:37 <@Umby> minus the Gordon injury I'm cackling internally rn 21:37 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 21:39 this is my fav patriots meme 21:40 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/9f/e8/ca9fe88541e5ecaa463e14dc058153a5.jpg 21:41 when's that from, the atlanta super bowl? 21:41 yeah 21:41 <@magicbymcluxey> Somehow I assumed Pat Rankin was playing a game of nethack 21:42 <@Umby> lol 21:42 <@Umby> Also fucking Falcons lmao 21:42 <@Umby> Georgia sports is the biggest failed Heimlich demonstration 21:48 <@malor> The Atlanta United is good 🙂 22:04 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 22:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:21 <@Umby> finally made it to Minetown, aligned altar, shops aren't much to write home about 22:21 <@Umby> but it's progress 22:22 <@Umby> AC under 0, so life is bearable 22:22 <@Umby> long as idiot cat doesn't die to a watchman I'm good 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3014 22:26 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 22:27 new TNNT announcement tomorrow morning 22:27 fyi 22:27 <@Umby> all this money and nothing to really spend on 22:27 Ooh 22:27 <@Umby> TNNT? 22:27 Looks like I joined just in time 22:27 <@Umby> oh, tourney 22:27 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/index.html 22:27 Fill me in on whatever there is to know about TNNT 22:27 TNNT rocks 22:27 hiya Web 22:27 Webmant 22:27 hah 22:28 damn you tab key 22:28 Webmant: tnnt is on for year 2 for sure 22:28 Lets not do the Mild Impossible thing again 22:28 Its just terrible scumming :( 22:28 Unless you fixed it 22:29 its fixed 22:29 What are the conditions now? 22:29 instead of just reaching your quest leader, you have to be assigned the quest 22:29 That is quite an extra hurdle 22:29 yup 22:29 It can still probably be scummed 22:29 good luck scumming that 22:29 But would anyone be willing to subject themselves to that? 22:30 how does one scum to exp level 14 :) 22:30 Succubus 22:30 highly unlikely 22:30 And lots of lots of lots of luck 22:30 <@riker> it's definitely an improvement though 22:30 it was either that or 'reach quest nemesis' 22:31 ^ that would be asking too much 22:31 <@Tone> By the way the description for that on the trophies page hasn't been updated like it was for the achievements 22:31 true 22:31 that'll come soon 22:31 <@Tone> Also hi Webmant :) 22:31 i *just* wiped scores and player data from last year 22:31 like 10 min ago 22:32 Webmant read this - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/dbtsy4/the_november_nethack_tournament_2019/ 22:32 <@Tone> haha no worries 22:32 Hi 22:32 Hello Webmant, Welcome to #hardfought 22:32 <@Tone> Was just looking through the trophies earlier to see if anything was different 22:32 <@Tone> So it was fresh on my mind ;) 22:32 Dont tell anyone, but I am def going to take Most Conducts :) 22:32 heh 22:32 ssssshhhh 22:33 public beta in the next few days (hopefully) 22:36 <@Umby> Time to press to Soko 22:36 <@Umby> I have the minimum required to not feel like I'm completely unprepared 22:37 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Yolanda, her faithful kitten, on T:642 22:44 we may have someone pop in here at some point in next couple days asking how to connect to hdf and play online 22:44 got a user on reddit who wants to try evilhack, is a bit miffed there isnt a windows binary 22:45 i should relearn how to compile nethack for windows 22:45 its been a looooong time since i've done it 22:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:47 <@Umby> oh neat, found an amulet of ESP 22:47 <@Umby> now if I only had a means of identifying the other uncursed amulet 22:48 <@Umby> oh no, werewolf 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1104 points, T:1827, killed by a killer bee, while frozen by a potion 22:49 <@Umby> >displeased 22:49 <@Umby> FUCK OFF 22:50 <@Umby> and then I get wolfed THE NEXT TURN 22:50 <@Umby> WHAT IS THIS 22:50 <@riker> stop praying so much 22:50 <@Umby> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE PRAYED IN SEVERAL THOUSAND TURNS 22:50 <@Umby> THE FUCK 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Mercury, on T:2885 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2897 22:51 <@ShivanHunter> prayer is also unsuccessful if your luck is negative , but that doesn't make your god angry, so you can try again as soon as the timeout is up 22:51 oh snap... heya @shivanhunter 22:51 <@ShivanHunter> o/ 22:51 <@Umby> welp, time to amble around for another thousand turns 22:51 where you been hiding? 22:51 <@Umby> also hi 22:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:51 <@ShivanHunter> Mars 22:51 nice 22:52 was it fun? 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 784 points, T:1637, crunched in the head by an iron ball 22:52 <@ShivanHunter> Maybe :P 22:52 <@ShivanHunter> TNNT hype! 22:52 when can guilds start forming for TNNT? 22:52 heh 22:52 all will be revealed tomorrow 22:52 coolios 22:52 <@riker> shivan: oh, negative luck fails don't piss off your god? TIL 22:53 <@Umby> the real shitty part is idk what's safe to leave around while I walk this off 22:53 Webmant: we're significantly increasing conducts offered 22:53 Ooh 22:53 I need to check that out 22:53 Where can I find that? 22:53 <{Demo}2> can I get the no wearing a ring on the right finger unless the left is full conduct? 22:54 <{Demo}2> that's what I imagine by "increasing conducts offered" 22:54 Webmant: https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/rules.html <-- confirmed conducts listed, we're considering some others 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 232 points, T:968, poisoned by a little dart 22:56 <{Demo}2> dang none of these conducts are funny 22:56 <@ShivanHunter> lol 22:56 multipliers for conducts \o/ 22:56 <{Demo}2> at least I can laugh at the trophies with jokes in their names 22:56 need some kind of "gimp" conduct - hehe 22:56 <@Umby> Cool, now fire ants are in play 22:56 <@ShivanHunter> team ant ftw 22:56 <@Umby> thank god I have several wolves to put between me and them 22:57 <@Umby> I need to find fucking body armor again, slippery cloak got ruined before I had a chance to doff it 23:00 <@Umby> 🦀 Fire ants are gone 🦀 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:18948 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 511 points, T:1094, killed by a hobbit 23:03 <@Umby> oh look an owlbear 23:03 <@Umby> SURE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MY OILSKIN CLOAK 23:03 just use more wolves 23:03 <@Umby> obviously 23:04 <@Umby> just tees me off that I lose items shortly before it would've come in use 23:04 <@Umby> :keizaMood: 23:05 <@Umby> there, purified 23:05 <@Umby> just in time for hunger confusion 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:12764 23:05 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:08 <@Umby> at the least I know what a couple of potions are from impromptu testing to drop stuff 23:08 <@Umby> and I know "displeased" isn't an instant GG 23:08 <@Umby> and my AC's okay enough that any decent piece of body armor will have me under 0 again 23:09 <@Umby> and I hit a fire trap 23:09 <@Umby> RIP my inventory 23:10 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 23:10 <@Umby> not a game-ending setback 23:10 <@Umby> still dumb 23:11 <@Umby> suddenly quasit uses wand of create monster 23:11 <@Umby> better that than the scroll 23:12 <@Umby> uh-oh, wanf of cold on a Green-elf 23:12 <@Umby> wand* 23:13 <@Umby> hell yeah, pet squad got 'em 23:13 <@Umby> and I found the stair to Soko 23:13 <@Umby> solved my body armor problem too 23:13 nice 23:14 <@Umby> faded pall and EMC 23:15 <@Umby> wish me luck 23:15 <@Umby> also fun fact, had like 7 tripes since forever 23:15 8^p 11x5 treasure/throne room 23:15 <@Umby> but I wasn't planning on keeping a lot of those wolves so 23:16 <@Umby> the other good thing is I have stealth from the elven cloak 23:16 <@Umby> so if I make it to the end the last room won't suck as much gorilla dong 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1038 points, T:2572, quit 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:1342 23:18 <@Umby> my kingdom for a container 23:18 <@riker> luxi you named the oil lamps "shi"? lol 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1952 23:20 why does everyone think it's funny lol 23:21 <@riker> I think it's amusing you're not gonna name it "shit" apparently 23:21 typo 23:21 <@riker> nice 23:21 they're usually named "shit" 23:22 <@riker> that makes more sense I guess 23:25 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 57016 points, T:20674, choked on a yeti corpse 23:27 <@Umby> F 23:27 <@Umby> no tinning kit? 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5034 points, T:2140, killed by a magic missile 23:30 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 23:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 23:31 rebatela, monk is sooooo much easier 23:31 I'm flyin 23:32 and it doesn't hurt they start with fortune cookies, I got Elbereth right away 23:33 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Mitra, on T:10247 23:39 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Mon Hum Mal Neu) stole 597 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ouiatchouane's general store, on T:668 23:42 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:42 -!- Chris__ has joined #hardfought 23:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__] by ChanServ 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12765 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2770 points, T:3137, killed by a watchman, while taking off clothes 23:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44 <@Umby> uh, that's not how you bribe watachmen 23:44 <@Umby> :B 23:45 :D 23:45 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47 HAHA 23:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:54 wtf.....blessed +3 fumble boots 23:54 gods have a sense of humor 23:54 indeed 23:54 obviously they're not worth wearing 23:54 but its close 23:56 <@Umby> :GWmemetownOMEGALUL: 23:56 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 23:56 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought