00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Con Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1188 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:44507 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 8389 points, T:3487, killed by a dwarf lord 00:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (arch-lich), on T:42930 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:8007 00:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:44783 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:9170 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1237 points, T:3812, killed by a jackal, while helpless 01:12 [hdf-us] [fh] Leona (bfbonatto) (Val Hum Fem Law), 12428 points, T:612, quit 01:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 866 points, T:1230, killed by a sewer rat 01:52 gah, 2 towers of flame in a row in the mines 01:52 made all my potions boil and scrolls burn and eventually killed me 01:53 ouch... 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48303 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48305 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:48392 02:07 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22 You notice a dog smell. 02:22 nice new shapeshifter messages 02:23 I don't even know what my shapeshifter pet *is*, probably a doppelganger because it turns into quite high-level things like dragons and H 02:23 xorn, cockatrice, master mind flayer 02:24 Doppelgangers like to imitate player monsters; if it's not doing that then you probably have a sandestin... 02:24 Though chameleons can turn into dragons too. 02:24 then it's probably a chameleon with ambition, because I haven't been deep enough for a sandestin 02:25 it doesn't turn only into nasties, I tamed it when it was a dog 02:25 Mm 02:25 Sandestins don't turn into dogs much, yes 02:26 weakest it's been is a kitten 02:27 I've had them turn into a newt with 1 HP and fully heal that way. 02:27 Shifty disappears! Something stinks. 02:27 Shifty disappears! You smell a dragon! 02:28 they probably taught me in wizard school how dragons smell 02:28 woo, a magic whistle 02:28 Nice! 02:28 makes herding this shapeshifter and two large cats much easier 02:29 How are you seeing it such that you can't see the dragon? 02:29 it's in the corridor, just around the corner? 02:29 either that or it's a white dragon which I can't see with infravision 02:30 mm 02:30 @v?white dragon 02:30 white dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold | Confers: cold | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Attacks: 4d6 breath cold, 3d8 bite physical, 1d4 claw physical, 1d4 claw physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 02:30 it killed a minetown shopkeeper and I could buy protection with the money 02:31 note that it doesn't say "infravisible" so it probably isn't 02:36 lol, it was an orc shaman and cast haste self, now all its forms are fast 02:41 Will probably make itself invisible too. 02:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05 it's a lynx now 03:05 they're not known for spellcasting 03:07 now it's been killed (probably when it was something weak) 03:08 You see here a chameleon corpse named Shifty. 03:08 too old for the cats to eat 03:11 lol, a random saddled pony 03:11 Nice 03:11 I don't have anything to tame it with (pacified it with a fortune cookie, then the cats killed and ate it) 03:19 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:08 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 04:08 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] fionna [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] luxor [slshm] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh363] rsa [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 04:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:13 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 17591 points, T:6827, killed by a tengu 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:34097 04:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34100 04:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] fionna (Kni Hum Fem Law), 19144 points, T:12459, killed by an energy vortex, while praying 04:29 R.i:P 04:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:52 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15793 05:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:34548 05:36 there is a chameleon and its an 'l' 05:36 in xnethack 05:36 and it doesn't seem to change 05:38 You sure it's a chameleon? 05:38 yes 05:38 farsight 05:39 You can see chameleons via farsight? 05:39 yes 05:39 it says 'chameleon' 05:39 ah 05:40 hmm maybe i should just withdraw from this sokoban level 05:40 turns out i don't have any armour at all and thats not really helpful 05:40 well almost no armour 05:41 o 05:42 Ruh roh 05:44 well now i am blind and there is some peaceful unicorn around too 05:44 so gotta be careful 05:46 man i always forget that i can displace peaceful in xnh 05:46 such a useful feature 05:48 You read: "You have just won a goat.". 05:48 You read: "You feel like you need to see Monty Hall.". 05:48 marilyn vos savant does not approve 05:53 You see here a silver scale mail. 05:53 close but no cigar 07:07 Just read a scroll of insert text. 07:09 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Hea Dwa Mal Neu), 117 points, T:298, killed by a jackal 07:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:36 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:36 -!- tacco\unfoog is now known as 07EAAJ3ZU 07:36 -!- 7IZAAD9HE has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- 7IZAAD9HE has quit [Client Quit] 07:37 -!- 07EAAJ3ZU has quit [Client Quit] 07:40 You feel sick. You die... 07:40 didn't realise I was so low on HP 07:41 elf corpse in a trap in the room I came downstairs in, so I thought it must be reasonable fresh 07:41 reasonably * 07:46 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:48 Don't they pre-age those corpses? 07:48 yes, but not all the way, usually they're okay to eat the moment you enter the level 07:49 also "You feel sick" does only a couple of points of damage, but that was apparently all I had 07:49 Sometimes you can eat elf zombie corpses. 07:49 yes 07:50 elf corpses in traps are the same way, I suppose 07:50 I've had sleep resistance from many a trapped elf 07:50 mm, different codepaths, I wouldn't put money on them being aged the exact same way 07:50 (that was my reason to eat it this time, too) 07:50 I don't know the exact calculation but I do know they're often edible 07:58 makes starting an arc slightly better, I guess 07:59 aosdict: yes, also the elf corpses in niches with a teleport scroll (easier for an arc to get at) 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Everdying's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2211 08:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Neu), 16765 points, T:4585, killed by a magic missile 08:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:35035 08:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor3 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:35664 08:57 argh, hit a watchman by mistake 08:57 then tried to put her to sleep but the sleep ray bounced and hit me too 08:58 (and missed her, I think, because she had time to kill me) 09:01 hi 09:01 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:02 The watchman was a she/her? 09:02 Hello 09:02 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 09:02 <{Demo}> hey k2 nice eoto changes 09:04 thanks 09:06 i crashed hard last night, put mini-me to bed and promptly fell asleep too 09:07 i need sleep... but that cuts into my nethack time. damn you sleep 09:07 <{Demo}> i fell asleep around 9:30 09:07 <{Demo}> and slept for over 10 hours lol 09:07 i think i hit 12 09:07 <{Demo}> wow 09:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:15 yeah 09:15 i havent slept for that long in awhile 09:23 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:2126 09:43 awesome i was just about to buy protection for first time (had just slowly robbed shop with pet/selling spellbooks) and i died on way to altar 09:43 so now this guy can buy it :) 09:44 cheaper too 09:45 EPI (and this has prob been said before): if you kill your own ghost, you die also 09:45 boooo 09:45 YANI: flavor the protection spell differently based on whether you're a cleric or not. 09:45 heh 09:45 s/cleric/priest 09:46 off to the store, be back in a bit 09:47 ahhh this sucks i'm gonna die hallucinating 09:47 maybe i can find my bones again 10:00 Pray? 10:06 yeah.. i actually lived 10:07 shopkeep doesnt have enough loot to buy this crystal plate mail... even worse then i won't be able to price id if i take all his gold 10:13 You can too still price-identify. 10:13 without buying stuff so he has gold ? 10:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:13 They'll offer 90% of the normal price in credit, so at most you'll need to multiply the offer by 10/8 10:13 10/9* 10:13 ahhh ok 10:13 i never knew what the formula was 10:14 Sometimes there are short cuts: 9/10 × 3/4 × 1/2 turns out to be very close to 1/3. 10:14 easier to hold onto the plate mail for now.. but that's good to know 10:15 mm 10:15 i've definitely wiped them out before or found broke shopkeep in bones and didn't know how to figure it out 10:20 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:20 rebatela: https://nethack.holics.at/nh-helper-public/nh-helper.html 10:21 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:25 wow that's awesome!!! thank you 10:25 i used to have a different tool like that, but that one looks great 10:25 notice that an enraged shopkeeper can sometimes help when the shk has a grudge against your race 10:26 ahhh very nice 10:26 ie check enraged 10:26 yeah this guy was giving me straight up normal pricing so that's why i was hesitant to clear him out 10:27 gauntlets of power are making this early monk's martial arts so much better 10:28 aaaaand a coaligned unicorn just blocked the path in sokoban... what's the luck penalty like -5? 10:37 i think so yeah 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] theFreightTrain (Val Dwa Fem Law), 194 points, T:1058, killed by a boulder 10:47 if i polymorph it and kill it i should be good i think 10:47 i'd rather not do that though... better to teleport when i can then appease with gems 10:48 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3080 points, T:3720, killed by a tiger 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 443 points, T:807, killed by a little dart 11:08 !tell Tangles all vanilla curses warnings in one place: https://termbin.com/5wzu 11:08 I'm on it, aosdict. 11:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:23 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:32 hah. i forgot in EH you can just swap places w/ unicorn 11:32 i went and found/id'd teleport wand and got gems 11:34 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 13567 points, T:7284, killed by an ogre lady 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33328 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:3343 12:06 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 12:06 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh363] oh6 [nh363] dgoddard [nh363] rebatela [evil] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] asdf [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3313 points, T:2419, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:19 -!- kritixilithos has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 86 points, T:415, killed by a boulder 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3007 12:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4234 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:5627 13:06 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4555 points, T:4661, poisoned by an orcish arrow 13:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58509 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58510 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7876 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:8100 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 19098 points, T:8101, quit 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:929 13:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor4 (Mon Swn Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:10725 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "", on T:1316 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 931 points, T:2946, killed by a dwarf 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7271 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5518 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2843 points, T:2100, killed by a fire ant 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 599 points, T:1061, killed by an arrow 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, T:146, killed by a water moccasin 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "3 potions of holy water", on T:7820 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2116 points, T:7889, killed by a grid bug 14:18 https://www.twitch.tv/roguelike_con 14:19 Roguelike Celebration 2019 is on 14:19 wooo 14:20 i wanna go to that next year 14:22 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:3259 14:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 370 points, T:1575, killed by a bolt of fire 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "+3 blessed fixed greased helm of brilliance", on T:35969 14:27 stenno 14:27 are you here? 14:27 signal twice for yes, once for no 14:27 <{Demo}> stenno isnt on the same mortal plane as us 14:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:27 rofl 14:27 its like beetlejuice 14:28 hi stenno 14:29 stenno, I haz teh tileset question 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Hea Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a mountain centaur, on T:8847 14:34 dammit 14:34 ok i feel like i've done this before but cant remember 14:34 HOW do you generate a tilemap graphic for nethack 14:34 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:36 NetHack has tiles? :-/ 14:37 hi K2 14:37 yeah 14:37 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Tiles16x16.png 14:37 ^ how do i make that 14:37 * K2 waves at stenno 14:38 sorry just came back from dinner 14:38 heh no need to apologize 14:38 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:38 andia 14:38 ok lets see then 14:38 F 14:38 The Dirge disintegrates! 14:38 The acidic blade burns the black dragon! You kill the black dragon! 14:38 The saddled blue dragon claws the black dragon. 14:38 "The Dirge"? 14:38 the artifact disintegrates? 14:39 Evilhack 14:39 Joking aside, I'd make it with invocations of graphicsmagick's "convert" command to splice the individual tiles together 14:39 that should be a yname() 14:39 wait 14:39 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 714 points, T:1887, dismembered by a soldier ant, while taking off clothes 14:39 black dragons are like disintegrators in eh? 14:39 * aosdict mutters "tile2bmp" in this channel too 14:39 K2: i can tell you how to properly load a tileset 14:40 oh yeah and also tile2bmp 14:40 wait didn't we do that at some point 14:40 we did 14:40 i brain dumped all of it 14:40 i found tilesetcss 14:41 now i just need tile2bmp 14:41 i dont see it anywhere 14:41 but isn't the issue to create the actual big tile image 14:41 yeah 14:41 Bugpowder doh 14:41 bones! 14:41 K2: you have to make tile2bmp directly, I think. 14:41 artifacts should either 1) have greater resistance or 2) not be affected 14:42 The spectre picks up a wand. 14:42 The spectre picks up a dragonhide dwarvish cloak. 14:42 K2 I AGREE 14:42 cd util 14:42 make ../win/share/tile2bmp.c 14:42 tile2bmp nhtiles.bmp 14:42 ah hah 14:42 but 14:43 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 40122 points, T:5598, killed by a black dragon 14:43 this requires the existances of a 'nhtiles.bmp' :P 14:43 oh man… this is a good bag of holding 14:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYu4jr6mrg 14:43 I need to chill out 14:43 K2: is that a very old grouchy marx 14:43 "They're good bags of holding, Brent" 14:44 heheh 14:44 stenno: no thats actually eddie murphy 14:44 'coming to america' 14:44 that guy? 14:44 yup 14:44 er what? 14:44 he played a few different characters in that movie 14:44 how is he suddenly white and old 14:44 surprised everyone with that one 14:45 aah fair 14:45 makeup artists were really good 14:45 hmm ok so where is nhtiles.bmp 14:45 wait 14:45 nm 14:46 like peter sellers! 14:46 Peter Sellers was always white and old 14:47 Apropos of nothing I've been chewing through the Something Awful Dwarf Fortress 2014 thread and oh god 14:47 lmao 14:48 "Close your hospitals while your military is fighting" 14:49 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 14:49 we are currently watching some rimworld lets plays which i heard are similar to DF 14:49 if I have a see invisible, should a pot of enlightenment indicate this? 14:49 eraserhead97: yes 14:49 thx ^^ 14:49 [14:42] cd util 14:49 [14:42] make ../win/share/tile2bmp.c 14:49 ^ no work 14:49 what no work 14:49 why not work 14:49 make: Nothing to be done for '../win/share/tile2bmp.c' 14:49 erp 14:49 I gather Rimworld is in the subgenre of "DF done right" but IIRC it's Steam-only so I haven't seen it 14:50 fair 14:50 this makes me sad 14:50 stenno, I dont like being sad 14:51 being sad makes me sad 14:51 I've _got_ a win/share/tile2bmp.c 14:51 man we did this successfully another day :D 14:51 Pinkbeast i do also 14:51 I mean, it's not autogenerated, it doesn't seem to be something one would create with "make" 14:51 hmm... ...I'm invisible and I eat a tin of stalker meat - then I check with a pot of enlightenment, but it doesn't seem to indicate see invisible - what am I doing wrong? 14:52 nm - I found it! 14:52 cd util && make tile2bmp 14:52 K2: oh i found it 14:52 were you stunned? 14:52 works just fine for me 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 556 points, T:1119, killed by a rothe 14:52 it DOES say "You see invisible." 14:52 K2: if ther is nothing to do, it should already be compiled i guess? 14:53 so you should be able to run util/tile2bmp ? 14:53 stenno: K2 was trying to make "tile2bmp.c", not "tile2bmp" 14:53 i know what he was trying to make, i told him what to make :OP 14:53 hah 14:53 paxed suggestion worked 14:53 * K2 feels silly 14:53 er what 14:53 oh 14:54 brb 14:54 (and thanks) 14:54 oh good, I was expecting K2 to report back "cd: util: No such file or directory" because already in util 14:54 fail 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:2427 14:54 bah 14:55 i uncursed the damn thing too... i mean, i know they autocurse but i found in my own bones 14:56 if i read unblessed rem curse will it uncurse the hooa? 14:56 non-cursed whatever 14:56 uncursed 14:57 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Remove_curse 14:57 yeah thanks 14:57 sorry 14:58 not in the habit of putting on cursed armor or changing my alignment 14:59 my info source https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/9gb1fe/quick_guide_for_those_who_want_to_play_362_in/ 14:59 i'm making the tileset for TNNT now that antigulp fixed win/share/monsters.txt 14:59 :o 15:00 we have a small issue with objects.txt 15:00 but thats easy fix 15:01 warning: for tile 194 (numbered 194) of objects.txt, 15:01 found 'bag / sack' while expecting 'mysterious sapient pearwood container / swap chest' 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:2598 15:01 ^^ easy fix 15:01 nic 15:02 btw i wrote a js program to parse the txt files in the source code to json 15:02 as part of nodehack 15:02 https://github.com/stenno/NodeHack/blob/master/nethack/generate_tiles.js 15:03 this is for vanilla but should work for any other vanilla-like tiles.txt file 15:03 neat 15:04 code should be self-explanatory ^_^" 15:04 this is what the result looks like https://github.com/stenno/NodeHack/blob/master/tiles.json 15:05 imo pretty useful when you have any code handling vt_tiledata 15:07 Oh, I forgot the swap chest. 15:07 i just fixed it 15:07 will commit soon 15:07 so there will be TNNT tiles? 15:07 thats fun 15:08 omfg yes 15:08 YES 15:08 and vt_tiledata adjusted? 15:08 which means 15:08 nodehack 15:08 can play 15:08 tnnt 15:08 and on hterm 15:08 time to write a scumbot 15:08 yep 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3313 15:09 tnnt repo is public, right? 15:09 <{Demo}> u dont need vt_tiledata to scumbot with nodehack :P 15:09 #N 15:09 {Demo}: fair enough 15:09 well 15:09 party at least 15:09 not for inventory lookup and the like 15:09 <{Demo}> you can still see inventory 15:09 Bots are banned from TNNT. 15:09 but for example i could scum until i find a wow 15:10 bots, bots 15:10 such a strong word 15:10 aosdict we forgot another one 15:10 warning: for tile 343 (numbered 343) of objects.txt, 15:10 found 'unlabeled / blank paper' while expecting 'PLZ RETURN TO DEVTEAM / missing code' 15:10 lets call it enhanced playing instead 15:11 like 15:11 like would interhack be allowed 15:12 nodehack is basically interhack 15:12 but in good 15:12 what was the bot again that was not saiph 15:12 interhack is ok 15:12 gonna attempt to poly-for-shirt in castle... ...any recommendations for how to pile? 15:12 TAEB 15:13 a bot playing the game for you or your clan != ok 15:13 you must be a mad genius to let nodehack actually play something resembling a proper game lol 15:13 unfortunately i am only mad so 15:14 eraserhead97: after raiding the castle you should have hundreds of soldier armor, right? 15:14 those are so many items, that you can use the 'stth strat' 15:14 ok no errors this time with tile2bmp 15:14 which is, just make a huge-ass pile and zap poly at it 15:14 i'll commit/push the update to win/sahre/objects.txt 15:14 there will be a leather golem, and a few armor pieces will vanish 15:15 If you want to be slightly H.O.M. make 6 piles in a line 15:15 <@magicbymcluxey> Why is it named after stth 15:15 <@magicbymcluxey> surely he didn’t invent it 15:15 i just named it like that 15:15 it was the first time i saw it 15:15 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16 anyway, time-to-watch-rimworld-lets-play with attie 15:16 gotta go 15:16 good luck with the TNNT stuff 15:16 i will ask for permission/clarification first before i make something silly with nodehack 15:17 stenno ok - I'll try the HAP=huge-ass-pile strat - thx ^^ 15:17 :D 15:17 o7 15:17 eraserhead97: I think you might consider trying six HAPs in a line 15:17 Pinkbeast kk ^^ 15:18 There was some old rgrn discussion of precisely optimal polypiling technique but since I never polypile I don't remember any of it 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:36529 15:19 There's a particular kind of senility where the victims can converse perfectly coherently about things from 30 years ago and I've a nasty feeling I'm going to be there, explaining to the nurses about #name while they go "poor old sod, iNetHackVR 6.7.2 was released last week, I for one welcome our Dev Team overlords" 15:21 with 5 HAPs, a Hawaiian Shirt dropped on 2nd shot - on the 1st shot, like 4 oilskin cloaks showed up in one pile 15:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 15:24 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt.png 15:25 <@magicbymcluxey> where's the devteam member sprite 15:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 1594 points, T:4014, taken down by a mumak 15:25 <@Tone> Making one giant pile of items and zapping poly at it is more of a speedrunning strat imo 15:25 its there 15:26 <@Tone> That's how you would poly spellbooks and other things in 343 15:26 K2: you should go to roguelike celebration and talk about tnnt or running a public server or something 15:26 you must find it... like where's waldo 15:26 bhaak if you come with me and hold my hand i will 15:26 so scared 15:26 :) 15:27 you're a big boy, you can do that on your own 15:27 awww 15:28 <@Tone> Rougelike tournament design is a really interesting topic actually 15:28 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 15:28 <@Tone> oh no I did it 15:28 looking forward to tnnt ^^ 15:29 <@magicbymcluxey> ban 15:29 roagelicks 15:29 eraserhead97 me as well 15:29 I've only participated in one-each, but imho tnnt >>> junethack 15:29 I would like to go but it's unlikely that I can make it next year. 15:30 can somebody kick eraserhead97 for me? 15:30 hehehe ^^ 15:30 or wait. eraserhead97 could you join #junethack? 15:30 <@Tone> I'd like to go next year, especially if we could get a nethack group together 15:30 bhaak: That's not likely to work when all the channel ops are TNNT devs. 15:30 <@magicbymcluxey> I'd like to go as well 15:30 <@magicbymcluxey> gotta start planning early 15:31 <@Tone> yep, that's the part I never do 😄 15:31 Perhaps some year there'll be an IRDC near London again 15:31 crapola - I'm OOS (out of scrolls) - doing G without ?oMM is too painful 8^P 15:32 call me lazy 15:32 eraserhead97: Teleport to the bottom with Asmodeus? 15:32 heh 15:33 <@Tone> You don't need too many scrolls if you are conservative with them 15:33 Pinkbeast that's something I've never tried b4 - I'm tempted 15:33 <@Tone> the asmo thing works well 15:33 apparently Thomas Biskup has been thinking about doing a Roguelike Celebration in Europe, the likely location would be Berlin. 15:33 just have A be adjacent to me when I teleport? 15:33 <@Tone> purple L help a lot when you don't geno them 15:33 <@Tone> Yes, he will follow eraserhead 15:34 ty - will try ^^ 15:34 with enough warning, getting a free weekend is not a problem. but flying across the atlantic is a bit more involved 15:34 <@Tone> Indeed 15:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:35 eraserhead97: I've done it. You just have to avoid killing him accidentally - bring a stethoscope 15:35 <@Tone> I'll probably finish the south half of my california road trip if I go to rogue cel next year, assuming it's still hosted in SF 15:36 Berlin is near London, even assuming I haven't fled to the Continent from our upcoming civil war 15:36 Pinkbeast - ic - I'll keep a lookout for stetho 15:36 when is the rogue cel? 15:36 <{Demo}> what 15:36 <@Tone> It's going on right now 15:36 ... coo, is Thomas Biskup still at it? 15:36 doh 15:36 <@Tone> I heard they wouldn't let him speak this year? 15:37 <@Tone> I think they were looking for new speakers 15:37 <@Tone> I could be mixing up my info though 15:37 is it free? 15:37 I should go 15:37 bhaak i'm not sure what I would talk about in regards to running a public server 15:37 i'd prob just have to wing it 15:38 K2: obnoxious players are always a good ice breaker topic 15:38 'no, i dont sit in the yoga position when i'm at my desk' 15:38 <@Tone> eraserhead97: Tickets are here https://www.eventbrite.com/e/roguelike-celebration-2019-tickets-66123028759 15:38 'yes, i use putty on windows 10. fuck off' 15:38 ty ^^ 15:38 K2: I often sit cross-legged 15:38 hah 15:38 criss-cross applesauce 15:39 <@magicbymcluxey> advertise 15:39 <@magicbymcluxey> why should people play hardfought over nao 15:39 <@magicbymcluxey> there are a lot of reasons :p 15:39 well NAO doesnt have variants 15:39 I liked how the people in the chat went "what's this old guy talking about. what's a nethack?" when I winged my "what's it like being on the nethack devteam" talk 15:40 hahah 15:40 <@Tone> lol 15:40 <@magicbymcluxey> wow 15:40 What's a NetHack? Isn't that a variant of Linley's .... 15:40 if you dont know what nethack is, you shouldnt be allow to attend roguelike celebration 15:40 stenno can be a bouncer at the door 15:40 they have 15 minutes slots. and as they don't account for questions, you can get away with 10 minutes easily 15:40 'what symbol represents a spellbook? answer me!' 15:41 * Pinkbeast suggests "how should you fight Orcus" and runs away 15:41 lol 15:41 brb 15:41 <@magicbymcluxey> but we need people asking stupid questions 😮 15:41 "Here's a British man. Tell him something new about object identification." 15:42 <@Tone> I realized yesterday that I should be checking unidentified rings for health regen 15:42 Sadly CEB rejected my suggestion that the Worldcon scavenger hunt should include "Find David Damerell and buy him a pint." Again. 15:42 <@Tone> Something I haven't been doing 15:43 <@magicbymcluxey> Tone: don't you check all base 200 rings anyway 15:43 <@Tone> I try on rings a lot without price ID 15:44 I like how I can hit a water elemental without getting my weapon rusty 8^P 15:44 Tone: Now, that's already in NHID :-) 15:44 <@Tone> and yeah that's one way to narrow down the 200 bracket 15:44 k2: placing defunct monster onto map, mstate:2, on Dlvl:26 ? 15:44 <@Tone> Pinkbeast: yeah, I don't think that one's super clever or anything, just somewhat uncommon and something I haven't been doing 15:45 Tone: I had to check if it was in there, so it's at least pretty clever 15:45 <@Tone> I was looking at racial max hp and regen yesterday due to lux's elf comment and realized it was an easy way to rule out that ring 15:45 <@Tone> Where is this list, Pinkbeast? 15:46 <@magicbymcluxey> it's probably one of the old identification spoilers 15:46 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html 15:46 <@magicbymcluxey> if I had to guess, it's the one by david damerell 15:46 <@magicbymcluxey> 😉 15:47 It is, if I may momentarily cast myself in the role of Captain Ego, _the_ old identification spoiler. 15:47 (but, David, you're always in that role) 15:48 <@magicbymcluxey> you should note that base 300 scrolls are always safe to read if blessed 15:48 <@magicbymcluxey> you can also target stinking cloud out of line of sight if you don't want to poison yourself 15:49 I felt that was implicit but I'll email it to myself and think about it 15:50 P) uncursed wand of wishing (0:2) (7 aum) 15:51 luxi: yeah, the mention of confusion in that group is er confusing. Bother. 15:51 nothing like hearing someone rummaging through a chest when your neck deep in monsters in the castle throne room 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 145 points, T:337, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:51 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 15:53 hothraxxa did that panic occur when you first entered the castle level? 15:54 Pinkbeast: I don't suppose David Damerell is the owner of all the treasure zoos. 15:54 no it was long after i fought through the throne room and down the hall to one of the chests 15:54 hmm 15:55 not my normal approach but hey, i heard a lot of rummaging 15:55 aosdict: Not unless I'm a Time Lord, given the discussion a few days ago. Or, I suppose, become a Time Lord in later life. 15:55 thats another bug i come across somewhat regularly when running the fuzzer 15:55 not sure whats causing it 15:55 no. a time lord is always and forever a time lord. one does not simply become a time lord 15:55 <@magicbymcluxey> YANI: add "Welcome to Damerell 15:55 <@magicbymcluxey> 's treasure zoo!" 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 237 points, T:457, killed by a hobbit 15:56 <@magicbymcluxey> as a hallu message 😛 15:56 Even were I a variant developer (of this roguelike) I feel self-insertion is (looks around for Amy) well, not somewhere I'd go. 15:57 not touching that with a ten inch dildo 15:58 <@magicbymcluxey> It's not like anyone knows who David is 15:59 "David London sez, "Hey guys, *WIELD* a lizard corpse against a cockatrice!"" 15:59 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 15:59 That one's in Hack 1.0.3 as "Hey guys, you *WIELD* a dead lizard against a cocatrice! [David London]" 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 that rummaging message makes my blood pressure increase 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:00 :) 16:01 <@magicbymcluxey> pinkbeast: more about the spoiler, on enchant weapon, I'm not sure how you would confuse it with base 80 scrolls, unless you were using an unpaid scroll 16:01 at least now you know when its happening 16:01 IIRC, we don't know why this David is the owner of the treasure zoos 16:01 We don't, but if I had to guess... 16:01 we dont question such things 16:02 * K2 swaps 'David' for 'Carl' for all zoos in evilhack 16:02 even more important, what's a treasure zoo? 16:02 a zoo of treasure 16:02 ? 16:02 <@magicbymcluxey> it's like scrooge mcduck's money bin, except with animals 16:03 <{Demo}> im not sure 16:03 that's not really clarifying 16:03 luxi: I think what you're getting at is that after buying it I can get sell offers on it, eliminating the surcharge as a consideration? 16:04 <@Tone> An extremely opulent zoo, I suppose? 16:05 <@magicbymcluxey> yes, exactly 16:05 so many errors when running tile2bmp for evilhack... not surprised 16:05 i've been bad about updating the .txt files when makingsomething new 16:05 luxi: The honest truth is I never thought of it and you're the first person to point it out. Would you like to be credited as "Luxidream" ? 16:09 <@Tone> Sale price mechanics changed slightly in 3.6.1 (?), which is worth mentioning if you are trying to keep that current 16:10 <@magicbymcluxey> yes that's fine 🙂 16:10 BTW, did anyone know that healing potions work like unicorn horns in alchemy for the "bad" potions? 16:10 :) 16:10 i.e. healing + sickness = juice 16:11 not a random result 16:11 Tone: Presently it's still all 3.4.x. Climbing the hump to 3.6.x, well, I've never played 3.6.x and I'm slightly hoping some really pedantic git is waiting in the wings to take it over. 16:11 <@Tone> aosidct: I do as of around 12 hours ago :) 16:11 <@Tone> Never came across that before though 16:11 <@magicbymcluxey> me too 16:11 <@Tone> I can see why though 16:11 <@magicbymcluxey> it's really useless knowledge though 16:11 <@Tone> I can see why I never came across it before, I mean 16:12 <@magicbymcluxey> if you were intentionally trying to do random alchemy it would be something to avoid I suppose 16:12 Dylan and I used to read the complete diff with new versions, pretty well all the time since 3.1.3, but I didn't do that for leakhack etc 16:12 <@Tone> Pinkbeast: Well I'm probably not pedantic enough, but I'm sure they'll appear sooner or later :P 16:13 <@Tone> I don't think much has changed for ID strategy between 3.4.3 and 3.6.2 in general 16:13 <@Tone> although I've been playing 3.6 so long that I may be forgetting some stuff 16:13 No, that's why I still recommend NHID when the question arises. Well, that and of course I'm a monstrous egotists. 16:14 *egotist, curses 16:18 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 16:18 <@Tone> How thorough is that intended to be? There's some really niche stuff like narrowing down spellbook level by the read failure effect. But that's something that may never be useful at all due to how spellbooks work overall. 16:19 Tone: When first released the title was something like "Help, no inventory scrolls". 16:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:19 <@magicbymcluxey> I'd also note that it's less likely but still possible for rings of increase damage and increase accuracy to be negatively enchanted but still uncursed 16:20 So I think it's meant to cover anything you might sensibly do in a game with a horrible shortage of ID scrolls, but not things that theoretically work but in practice would be suicidal, like reading completely unknown spellbooks to find out how you get killed. 16:20 <@magicbymcluxey> true HOM determines the enchantment of these rings with a stethoscope and obsessive note taking on accuracy 16:21 Somehow arranging to have a non-zero chance to miss to begin with :-) 16:22 Obsessive note taking probably falls into the latter category. 16:22 <@Tone> You wouldn't read them specifically intending to fail and gain some minor ID information. But many people read Un-ID'd spellbooks early on and that gives you information on them 16:22 Tone: I also think that guideline is not _super_ rigidly enforced, especially since I just invented it to crystallise thoughts in my own mind. 16:23 <@Tone> In practice, spellbook identification should really be simplified to 1) price ID it and read it, or 2) bless it and read the damn thing 16:23 tone: the change in 3.6 is that $200 scrolls are $267 instead of $266. Really throws ya for a loop... 16:24 <@Tone> No rebatela, you can keep dropping an item to get different sale prices anymore. You need to compare the sale price with a known item to determine the sale price modifier for the shop. 16:24 <@Tone> can't keep dropping* 16:24 oh i know that 16:24 but they really did change everything by a dollar i think 16:24 People _do_ read them but I think that's such a bad move I'm not getting into the consequences. I play to win this game, not _a_ game. 16:24 The good thing is you can name stuff on the ground 16:25 <@Tone> Pinkbeast: I agree, I don't think the people reading random spellbooks are going to be ID'ing them that thoroughly 16:25 When I play 3.43 it's annoying having to pick everything up to type name 16:25 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25 <@Tone> Although if I were say speed running, it's something I'd track, personally 16:25 i'll read a random spellbok but always bless of course 16:25 <@magicbymcluxey> Pinkbeast: If you really have no altars, you can sort your potions of water into three groups...(and dip identify them). This makes it more practical to head for Sokoban before Mine Town. 16:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26 <@magicbymcluxey> 1. this shouldn't affect your strategic decision of where you choose to go 16:26 <@magicbymcluxey> 2. presumably if you haven't gone to either the mines or sokoban you still have your pet and can easily discern this 16:27 <@magicbymcluxey> 3. dip ID is almost certainly a waste for either holy or unholy water 16:28 How can a game with minetown in it have no altars? 16:28 Well 2) it might have copped it to a falling rock trap but 1) yeah, perhaps it's not the job of this guide to discuss strategy (but 3) it works, the reader can decide if it's a good idea, isn't this slightly contradicting what I just said to Tone err yea) 16:28 aosdict: This is before mine town, I think 16:29 minetown is not immediately reachable 16:29 <@magicbymcluxey> so the unlikely scenario where you have three stacks of water before sokoban or the mines 16:29 @luxidream See, this is why the community moved away from spoilers to the wiki - all you can do is hope the spoiler author both listens to you and takes the effort to update it, and hope they'll keep updating it for new versions :) 16:30 I'd rather say, wikis weren't invented when the spoilers were first written :) 16:30 Pinkbeast: If this is before minetown, is the player really likely to have three types of water to dip-identify? 16:30 or writing your hown html documents were the wikis of the 90s :) 16:30 aosdict: Tho' in the days of endless 3.4.3 eg the Hugo/Dylan spoilers were highly accurate works by pedantic gits 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a rothe corpse, on T:3434 16:30 lol @ presuming anyone would still have a pet 16:31 aosdict: Let's suppose the minetown altar is somehow hard to reach 16:31 early pets are beyond squishy, even in vanilla 16:31 Eh? Pets are pretty firm. 16:31 <@magicbymcluxey> The cat flows under the door! 16:32 <@Tone> I still use some of the old spoilers 16:32 <@Tone> Some of them have information that isn't really included in the wiki yet 16:33 <@magicbymcluxey> aosdict: a nonzero number of people still read them, which makes it worth questioning, I think 16:33 <@magicbymcluxey> there are still misconceptions about monk wishing that are perpetuated by the monk wishing FAQ for example 16:33 i remember getting spoilers with ftp long before the web even existed.. but i was so horrible at the game 16:34 <@Tone> Is that the one that says gauntlets of dexterity improve spellcasting? :P 16:35 <@magicbymcluxey> some of magicby's statement's in "stupid magicby quotes" were motivated by that spoiler :p 16:35 <@magicbymcluxey> yes, that's the one 16:35 Spoilers were great when there wasn't a wiki, but now they're too rigid. 16:35 Conversely, I think you'll learn more about identification from nhid than from the wiki. Mind you, I would think that. :-) 16:36 Less egotistically, I think there's room both for the wiki - presenting mostly facts - and spoilers presenting analyses of those facts. 16:36 pinkbeast: pets are better in Eh for sure... They seem to keep up better too, and i'm not sure why. He said he didn't change anything, but monks have intrinsic speed and in vanilla they always lag behind 16:37 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/spellcliff.txt is something I wrote post-Wiki which I think of still as more spoiler material. 16:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a fortune cookie on an altar, on T:6240 16:38 And nhid is written very much in my voice, making it tricky for the wiki which shouldn't try and present one particular player's view of the game. 16:40 +3 speed boots in lvl 2 general store.. yeah i'll take that. thanks pet 16:40 <@magicbymcluxey> the analysis of a spoiler is fairly subjective. like the strategy sections in the wiki, it can often present options that are suboptimal or impractical 16:40 ohhh and an altar on the same level... cya pet. nice knowing ya! thanks for boosting the speed boots! 16:41 <@magicbymcluxey> I like the wiki style better that presents more factual information, because inevitably new players will look at a page and assume all of it is fact 16:41 <@magicbymcluxey> while it might not be 16:42 luxi: I think I'm saying there's a place for both, I'm much happier presenting subjective analysis in a spoiler 16:43 spellcliff describes things as "more interesting", say, which is not a tone I'd try to use on the Wiki 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "uncursed historic unlabeled burning magic marker named i identify with d. damerall, esq", on T:34585 16:48 That's David "spell my surname correctly" Damerell 16:49 no, this is another d. damerall whom i identify with 16:49 dwight 16:50 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Con Vam Mal Cha) was given Luck Blade, on T:4627 16:54 every time i steal a $500 wand and it ends up being nothing i curse k2 under my breath 16:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Con Vam Mal Cha) was given Stormhelm, on T:4681 16:55 i guess it just adds to the thrill when you do get a wish 16:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Con Vam Mal Cha) was given Giantslayer, on T:4763 16:56 Every time I have a hangover I curse K2 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:37683 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed AntiVirus' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2816 17:07 how does blessed genocide work in evilhack again? 17:07 2 random species from the selected monster class 17:07 it picks 2 17:07 ugh 17:07 sucks 17:07 yeah... don't try to get rid of mind flayers that way.... 17:07 good for classes like L where you want them all dead, bad for classes like h 17:08 you may not want all L dead in evilhack 17:08 why not? 17:08 summon nasties isn't necessarily bad -- most nasties have low MR% and can be tamed 17:08 <@Tone> Uncursed still lets you pick one monster type? 17:09 yes 17:09 and non-covetous liches can be taken out from range 17:09 liches are slow too 17:09 hmmm 17:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Con Vam Mal Cha), 52679 points, T:12043, killed by a troll 17:09 i have 2 scrolls of geno 17:09 they are huge pain in the ass... not regular liches. but the bad ones. Do you really keep them around so you can tame the summoned monsters, jilles? 17:10 i think you miss the point there 17:10 <@riker> I'm assuming jilles probably geno's arch/master but keeps demi and plain alive, or something like that 17:10 Been down to medusa, wizard bones, got like 50 scrolls and still haven’t seen a scroll of enchant armor. 17:10 oh man... i've had games like that in eh 17:11 it sucks 17:11 it's not keeping them around, it's not bothering to genocide 17:11 rebatela, it turned out that way because I was hoarding wishes and didn't have so many genocide scrolls 17:11 and the consideration was two blessed scrolls to take out all of them or two uncursed to take out purple only 17:11 hmmmmmm 17:11 makes sense 17:11 maybe I will wait 17:12 what else should I prioritize for geno then? 17:12 vampire mages, since they cast spells and are fast 17:12 oh yeah 17:12 jilles types faster than me 17:12 just died in mines with magic lamp and +3 speed boots robe, lots of goodies. hopefully leaves bones for y'all playing eh 17:12 those fuckers hurt me bad last time I went deep 17:13 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 17:13 rebatela: not having a go at you particularly but bones are part of why I mostly stopped playing NetHack 17:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:14 pinkbeast: you play that dungeon soup game, right? 17:14 <@magicbymcluxey> turn off bones 17:14 You kill the invisible Angel! The silver long sword named Sunsword in the invisible Angel's hand stops shining. 17:14 i bet 17:15 rebatela: That _other_ roguelike with Sigmund? I'd know nothing about that. I certainly don't develop a variant of it! 17:15 it's not like we are all stuffing bones for each other.. I've actually never seen that happen on here 17:15 the game is hard and ya die a lot (eh) 17:16 I don't really think you do, obviously, but bones do make a mockery of the game's uncertain balance. 17:16 Pinkbeast: there's nobones now. bones were interferring with conduct runs. 17:16 not having a go at you, but it seems a lot of people who gave up at nh play that game 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (vampire mage), on T:22304 17:17 rebatela: DCSS has a different general approach to things, so I'm not particularly surprised that it might attract people who didn't like NetHack. 17:17 bugpowder: ya that's not a bad one 17:17 <@magicbymcluxey> I press o and tab and I still play nethack 17:17 <@magicbymcluxey> ama 17:18 aosdict: Also it's another daughter of NetHack 17:18 bugpowder: other than that, it's the regular stuff you would geno in vanilla (liches, mindflayers) 17:18 there's a bit more benefit genociding spellcasters in evilhack since destroy armour tends to take real resources to fix 17:19 true 17:19 bhaak: That works. (That said, I'm kind of pleased with our friendly-ish ghosts...) 17:19 jilles: I got strangled on water plane :( 17:19 almost joined the club (or splatted on astral) 17:19 that's the nice thing about playing a giant 17:19 too big to be engulfed :) 17:19 heh 17:20 or fall through holes 17:20 yeah, but what abuot when you want to go through hole? 17:20 can you climb through? 17:20 yup 17:20 you can 17:20 I was afraid to do that 17:20 ok 17:21 giants should be able to wade through water too but k2 wan't having any of that 17:21 monster giants can't do that either 17:21 deep water is deep 17:21 yes but they should 17:21 if you first import puddle terrain, it becomes easier to implement wading for giants 17:22 well i wasn't serious 17:22 fourk has shallow water. it's cool 17:22 yeah I want shallow water 17:22 your dwarvish boots rust! 17:22 and I think evilhack should have it too, because those rivers in the mines should not be deep and uncrossable 17:23 <{Demo}> agree 17:23 part of the game 17:23 i find it frustrating but 17:23 i had one game where you couldn't dig a path across and the stairs were on the other side 17:23 it's very annoying being trapped in mines 17:24 pre-pickaxe 17:24 <{Demo}> you just have to wait for a dwarf with a pick to dig you out, and ifthere isnt one, hope one randomly spawns (or a rock mole) >_< 17:24 shallow puddles is kinda on the to-do 17:24 yeah but sometimes you fall down a shaft and get stuck 17:24 getting trapped should be really rare 17:24 looked at it awhile ago 17:24 I wonder why no one has been mad at K2 for randomly blocking off the mines like people are mad at the devteam for orctown 17:25 and it can take a while to find a pickaxe in the dungeon dungeon 17:25 because you get orctown, thats it you cant change that 17:25 very similar deal, game randomly decides "no, you're going to have a much harder time" 17:25 aosdict: "Evilhack" manages expectations effectively 17:25 you can eventually get across a river in the mines 17:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26 do you mean there's always a path if you have a pickaxe? 17:26 because no 17:26 I think he means you might need to wait for levitation or WW 17:26 or a wand of cold 17:26 sure that works 17:26 or read a scroll of earth 17:26 or an amulet of flying 17:26 there's several ways 17:26 or the boots etc 17:26 jumping sometimes 17:26 and for 0.4 there are dragon scales that will allow swimming and magical breathing 17:27 but there's no guaranteed dry path 17:27 so in closing 17:27 i'm not inclinded to change mines' rivers 17:27 be thankful they are lit 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a plate mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22540 17:28 boy, we were lucky that time 17:28 wowwww 17:28 thank you Manannan 17:28 what material? 17:28 try it on. it's pretty cool 17:28 amulet of flying, water walking boots, wand of wishing. all that stuff you usually have when you enter the branch on Dl2 17:28 oh right livelog would say 17:28 the only in-universe explanation of the lit water I can think of is that it's phosphorescent or radioactive 17:28 plankton 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:38515 17:29 lumenesent (sp) plankton 17:29 i cant spell 17:29 i maintain that the lava levels in the mines and gehennom should never be dark 17:29 regular 17:29 <@riker> yani: lava is a range 4 light source 17:29 +3 blessed plate 17:29 Bugpowder its fooproof also 17:29 it'll be rustproof 17:29 If I ever put rivers in the mines, they will either be shallow or beneath Minetown 17:30 you're shallow 17:30 hah 17:30 and when you go down the stairs it will say "there's a river down there . are you sure you want to go down the stairs? " 17:30 well…. I already have +0 mithril splint 17:30 oh snap 17:31 "If you fail the check, you notice the collapsing stairs arrangement as it collapses and you plummet it to your death." 17:32 hm. why is long sword unrestricted for me? 17:32 k2, you didn't add long swords to wizards did you? 17:32 pinkbeast: link to your variant/info on DCSS? I think i've played vanilla once a long long time ago 17:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 540914 points, T:46002, killed by a black dragon 17:34 http://crawl.montres.org.uk/ (you may be unsurprised to find luxi has two 15-rune ascensions) 17:34 awesome thanks! 17:34 I was delighted to find montres.org.uk untaken, as someone who read Poe's _The Premature Burial_ at a tender age. 17:36 my level 24 dragon ate a nurse and healed :) 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a studded armor entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22642 17:37 SWEEET 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:38935 17:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:39 rebatela: The ghosts are the best bit :-) 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2863 17:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:47 hothraxxa no i didnt 17:47 were you gifted an artifact long sword? 17:47 would medusa’s gaze turn my dragon to stone? 17:47 in eH 17:47 <@riker> it does in vanilla I think 17:48 yup 17:49 k2: no 17:49 i killed an angel who had sunsword 17:50 i don't know when it got unrestricted but i am now basic (max) in long sword 17:51 in every other evilhack game where i reached the castle i had at least one boh 17:51 in this game, not a chance 17:51 i even went for the soko tool 17:52 which is contrary to my standard advice 17:56 https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/dddqbl/slashem_exhibits_the_banachtarski_paradox/ 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9035 18:00 god damnit 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 121645 points, T:23211, petrified by Medusa 18:01 I should have hit her with another potion 18:01 ugh 18:01 stupid 18:01 thought I would have more time to pray 18:01 Who amongst us has not died a stupid death? 18:02 no shame dying to medusa in evilhack. she's tough 18:02 Bugpowder: I died twice to the same cockatrice corpse, FWIW 18:02 there IS SHAME 18:02 bonfire time, bbiab 18:02 I should have killer her 18:03 stupid 18:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 stupid 18:03 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 18:11 i've died there a few times... so shame indeed 18:11 <{Demo}> wonder if ived died yet 18:13 whoops meant NO shame 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 17637 points, T:12250, killed by a plains centaur 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2990 18:17 ^^ what? 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3459 18:19 <@magicbymcluxey> what what 18:19 how do you die and then play 3000 turns and get magicbane in 3 minutes? 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1346 points, T:4024, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 18:19 obviously didn't die... but for me it says killed by a plains centaur? 18:20 <@magicbymcluxey> variance 18:21 <@magicbymcluxey> also known as luck 18:23 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Rod Fem Cha), 6459 points, T:1783, quit 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2091 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2302 18:26 <@magicbymcluxey> look, there it is again 😛 18:26 yeah i was watching that game... 18:26 but i don't think i could even get 3k turns in 3 minutes, never mind find an atlar, sac for weapon 18:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 26632 points, T:5690, killed by a leocrotta, while being tickled to death 18:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13904 18:28 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 21467 points, T:313, killed by a monster (byzantine lady) 18:28 my early wizard game do not go like that at all 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41247 18:36 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 13292 points, T:101, killed by a monster (snowy nontechnical camcorder) 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41337 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41418 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7941 18:44 <@magicbymcluxey> nethack logic: breaking down a door with a pickaxe is perfectly stealthy and silent 18:45 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha) averted death, on T:112 18:46 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 21043 points, T:152, quit 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10339 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15199 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (orc), on T:3048 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2378 points, T:3079, killed by a hill orc called Oggrisa of Othugorai, while reading a book 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:18604 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:51117 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:51117 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:20517 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1178 points, T:1944, killed by a killer bee 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22871 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:22925 19:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ran Bat Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5456 19:29 YANI: Rangers get a bonus towards searching for pits (they find pits more often than other roles). 19:29 <@magicbymcluxey> showerthought: nethack never explains why moving the altar would be a bad idea 19:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:24193 19:31 That sort of implies you can move the altar, doesn't it. 19:31 Digging says it's too hard to break apart. 19:32 diggin on an altar should result in divine anger 19:33 that might actually be useful since it'd logically anger the altar's god 19:33 and so allow fixing chaotic anger 19:34 (though you do need lightning and disintegration resistance to do it safely) 19:35 Would angering Moloch be a wise idea? 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13283 19:47 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:49 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Kni Hlf Mal Law), 512 points, T:1182, killed by a gnome lord 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 blue dragon scale mail", on T:3417 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Quetzalcoatl, on T:3848 20:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6059 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17400 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43265 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43266 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided kraken, on T:43272 21:08 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 21:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Bat Mal Neu), 47840 points, T:10121, killed by a barbed devil, while trying to turn the undead 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44117 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44122 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2532 points, T:4238, killed by a gnome 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:44176 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 259 points, T:503, killed by a little dog 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:44358 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19720 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44362 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:44648 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1475 points, T:2470, killed by a dingo 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45415 21:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:15488 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 344 points, T:1161, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:46244 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:46358 22:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 3602 points, T:1312, killed by a gnome king 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:46431 22:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2097074 points, T:46454, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1570137803.nh.html 22:16 <@riker> congrats eraserhead 22:16 ty ^^ 22:17 Congrats. 22:19 thx 8^) 22:20 I should try to ascend that fast. 22:20 pretty smooth sailing on that one - only one glitch - stepped on a magic trap and got slimed without fire in early Gehennom - managed to get out with a =oPC and zapping myself with a Polywand to become a salamander 22:20 doh - that's not fast 8^P 22:20 It's faster than me 22:21 In UnNetHack we went into 6 digits because of all the things to explore. And some altar farming. 22:21 40k moves kinda slow, hehe - if I can get under 30k, I'd consider that moderately fast 22:21 ah - ic 22:21 unh - I should try 22:22 We had a stash in Sokoban and the room at the right had so many monsters in it... 22:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 2182 points, T:2500, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 22:23 stats show I really suck at Neutral 8^P 22:24 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 828 points, T:791, killed by Ms. Wonotobo, the shopkeeper 22:31 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:17038 22:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 31346 points, T:17369, offed by a velociraptor, while helpless 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:23710 23:00 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 873 points, T:1957, overpowered by a soldier ant 23:11 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 23:16 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Dra Hum Mal Law), 900 points, T:3246, done in by a little bird 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10000 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 548 points, T:1953, killed by a large mimic 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:26536