00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:11 what if it's an invokation item or the amulet of yendor in the water? 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:40314 00:19 Oh god 00:19 Gaining a level from that wraith corpse was not worth it 00:27 <@magicbymcluxey> !who 00:27 @magicbymcluxey: [hdf-us] antigulp [nh363] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Andrio [nh363] 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:40942 00:34 Even though I’m lawful, seeing a purple “A” gives me a heart attack. 00:34 Although the djinni also summoned three mind flayers somehow… :/ 00:37 nice april fools prank, even though it's the other half of the year 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2035 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1794 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2790 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3184 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3520 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:41264 00:53 You see here a curved wand (for sale, 750 zorkmids) 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:41291 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 1212825 points, T:41291, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/antigulp/nethack/dumplog/1569864308.nh.html 00:57 No Elbereth, Polymorphing, or Artifact Wishing :D 00:58 Congrats! 01:03 Third ascension ever. I now have more ascensions than I have splats on astral 01:04 * AntiGulp ’s eye twitches 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "nx", on T:3056 01:11 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:12 hey hey congrats AntiGulp \o/ 01:12 Thanks :D 01:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize tool, on T:11960 01:17 <@riker> grats antigulp! 01:18 Thanks! 01:18 Ooh, 69 wraith kills 01:24 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 01:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:31 <@magicbymcluxey> Nice 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8789 01:57 Sokoban prize tool eh? My wife once told me I was a prize tool 02:00 ?@yellow mold 02:00 @?yellow 02:00 No such monster. 02:00 @v?yellow mold 02:00 yellow mold (F) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 0 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d4 passive stun | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, vegan 02:00 @?yellow mold 02:00 yellow mold (F) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 0 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d4 passive stun | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, vegan 02:00 Only kidding there, but "prize tool" is Aussie slang, something to call someone that does something exceptionally stoopid 02:05 so many rubber chickens below Minetown - too bad I'm not Chaotic or I can just clear Alleytown 02:15 got lucky w/2 magic lamps this game - one from bones, one from shop - also got MR from wiz bones... ...since I don't have reflection or BoH yet, I should go do sokoban first, but I'm tempted to just #rub for SDSM... 02:53 wtf - I was almost too full to eat lizard 02:59 @v?red naga 02:59 red naga (N) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d4 bite physical, 2d6 breath fire | Alignment: -4 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, thick hide, oviparous, infravisible 02:59 @v?gold naga hatchling 02:59 gold naga hatchling ~2~ golden naga hatchling (N) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 10 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, thick hide 03:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13184 03:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+3 blessed fixed greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:13658 03:27 -!- eraserhead9758 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:03 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 49905 points, T:11454, killed by Mr. Donmyar, the shopkeeper 05:46 -!- dopplergange has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in] 05:47 !tell aosdict lol seriously that guy :P those quotes look like they'd perfectly fit into slex too! 05:47 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2019-10-03 16:26 EDT: https://pastebin.com/bmpMw1XX <-- magicbymccauley quotes to mine for slex 05:47 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 05:48 * LarienTelrunya saves them to disk and names the document "Some people are simply stupid" :D 05:49 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 05:49 I'm amazed he has the time to coach people playing NetHack what with being an ace attorney and all 05:49 "Okay, first off, gauntlets of power are never a mid tier wish, for any player they are a top tier wish for many, many classes." uhh rofl? I can't remember ever wishing for them... better to wish for a magic marker and write some more magic mapping or other stuff 05:50 I guess the best place for those stupid quotes would be rumors.fal :P 05:50 I'm sure I have before I knew throwing Mjollnir was a newbie trap 05:51 Mjollnir is a newbie trap, even if you don't throw it, especially if you try to melee Orcus with it :D (10 bucks says mbm would state "mjollnir is a good weapon to use against orcus because he doesn't resist shock" and try to push that into the article) 06:00 -!- Ytteb has joined #hardfought 06:04 should put him in the game as the primary antagonist at this point 06:04 haha, maybe as a nemesis for a to-be-added role? 06:05 just replace rodney with him 06:05 would make sense since he keeps coming back 06:05 haha, actually he could also be a random T-class monster 06:07 maybe something like a cursed pet you cant get rid of 06:07 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:07 that keeps telling you things 06:08 I think putting real living people in might be a dubious precedent 06:08 how so 06:09 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:12 well it's only a nickname, not that person's real name (although he did post with what is probably his real name on google groups), but still, in a worst case scenario there could probably be a lawsuit 06:12 real living people> PS it doesn't count if it's you 06:13 so what you're saying is we should murder him first 06:14 Vade retro 06:14 -!- Ytteb has quit [Quit: Ytteb] 06:55 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 07:01 we also missed the opportunity to remove the weird "the paralysis lasts 1-25 turns and cannot be applied to an already-paralysed monster" from the orcus article which is very certainly by mbm because no one else would write in such a weird style :P 07:01 now we have to wait out the edit block so we can revert that! the average reader is probably not an idiot and knows how to click on the "potion of paralysis" link to read about how they work 07:01 <@Tone> It says that in the article right now? 07:02 yes 07:02 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Orcus#Strategy 07:02 He is not immune to stoning, so hitting him with a cockatrice corpse will instantly kill him. Another option is to use potions of paralysis (along with free action); the paralysis lasts 1-25 turns and cannot be applied to an already-paralysed monster. 07:02 <@Tone> That's so much irrelevant information about one form of the paralysis 07:02 I'd change it to "Another option is to use potions of paralysis (along with free action) and kill him before the paralysis effect wears off." 07:04 <@Tone> I want to rewrite the demon summoning part (which currently sounds like he only summons demo and yeen), and also mention the two shades that flank the downstairs, which are actually pretty dangerous if coming up those stairs 07:05 well... the other demon lords don't specifically all mention "they can also gate in regular demons" on their pages either 07:06 also, a horned devil or whatever isn't really dangerous to a character who managed to get that far :D 07:07 LOL the dolt actually says "What? Monsters can't follow you when you levelport. I've never seen that behavior." in the discussion??? holy shit does he even play the game??? "I never observed that behavior, which must mean it doesn't exist!" 07:08 really? 07:08 <@Tone> Yeah he didn't know Orcus was covetous or not follower. That's why he insists on that crazy convoluted strategy to Fer him on the upstairs. 07:08 yes, it's there on the orcus discussion page 07:09 <@Tone> or a follower* 07:09 <@Tone> get him on the stairs* 07:09 he probably doesn't even know the M2_STALK flag exists; heck, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know the source code has been made public 07:12 like that Gus Van guy, who actually had the guts to say "I think Amy doesn't actually know her own game well enough" (with regard to how the wand of cancellation works in slex) and then later said "I only peeked at the source code occasionally"... 07:12 <@Tone> ha, I remember that 07:14 wtf but somehow I can no longer find that discussion on the talk page? 07:14 oh it's on his own talk page for some reason 07:14 all this drama reminds me of this https://xkcd.com/1095/ 07:17 wait what! Gus's misguided edit to the slex part of the wand of cancellation article is still in there so it gives wrong information right now! I need to change that 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5516 07:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7157 07:34 !tell aosdict might want to add "It's absolutely hell on wheels, and I feel there needs to be a sign up around Orcus that says HE LOOKS EASY BUT HE CAN SUMMON FRIENDS THAT WILL MAKE YOU WISH YOU WERE NEVER BORN!" to the list of stupid quotes 07:34 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 07:34 anyway I need to leave now, bbl 07:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has left #hardfought 07:39 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:41 . 07:41 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-10-04 05:47 EDT: lol seriously that guy :P those quotes look like they'd perfectly fit into slex too! 07:41 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-10-04 07:34 EDT: might want to add "It's absolutely hell on wheels, and I feel there needs to be a sign up around Orcus that says HE LOOKS EASY BUT HE CAN SUMMON FRIENDS THAT WILL MAKE YOU WISH YOU WERE NEVER BORN!" to the list of stupid quotes 07:41 LarienTelrunya: we may as well not !tell each other things since we both read backscroll 07:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 798 points, T:1922, killed by a dingo puppy 07:43 @Tone Since mbm is blocked, I can lift the page protection if you'd like. 07:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:53 -!- j__ has joined #hardfought 07:53 -!- j__ is now known as rebatela 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:01 <@Tone> aosdict: Thanks, but I think the protection gets lifted in a few days anyways, so we can let it run its course. They are just minor edits really 08:01 3 days, so not long 08:06 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2065 points, T:2071, killed by a dagger 08:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1674 points, T:2100, killed by a hill orc 08:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 576681 points, T:39195, killed by Yeenoghu 08:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15040 08:26 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1023 points, T:1580, killed by a little dog 08:51 -!- dopplerg- has joined #hardfought 08:53 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 08:56 -!- dopplerg- has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:00 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1335 points, T:2202, killed by a rock mole 09:08 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:13 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:19 EPI: Shopkeepers occasionally run outside their shop to steal items off the floor and sell them. 09:20 'closed for acquisition'? 09:24 YASI: shopkeepers complain about storefront rent, parking and town ordinances 09:24 (when #chatted, obviously) 09:25 two of those only make sense in Minetown, the third doesn't make sense at all 09:26 -!- honu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:26 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:2366 09:27 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 09:29 mindflayer on Dl2 09:29 sweet 09:30 I was about to ask how that was possible, but I’m guessing you’re playing EvilHack? 09:30 mindflayer can make you forget name'd items right? 09:30 i think he's playing vanilla 09:30 EH 09:31 but yeah, it's not the worst time in the world to get amnesia 09:31 ah mixed you up with raisse that got magicbane 09:31 alex__: Yeah, they can. Source: Got hit with amnesia from a flayer twice last game. 09:31 my attention span doesnt go further than the first letter 09:31 i actually started with a scroll of genocide though... so i guess once i figure out which type of MF it is, I know what i'll do 09:31 AntiGulp: too bad. you cant meta around them Memento style in that case 09:32 should be able to engrave on yourself 09:32 <@Tone> You can find mind flayers on dlvl 3 in vanilla 09:32 <@Tone> Not 2 though :P 09:32 i thought earliest was in mines 09:32 because they're h 09:33 ahhh maybe it's a mindflayer shopkeep... 09:33 <@Tone> Yep, the mines can be on dlvl 3 09:33 ah 09:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:80562 09:33 haha that's what it is 09:33 mindflayer shopkeeper wtf 09:34 i'm going to genocide them now and own the scroll/spellbook shop ;) 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:477 09:34 this shop seems to be untended 09:35 shopkeepers should be like hermit crabs. if theres one unattended some other shopkeeper should come by and appropriate it 09:35 Plausible deniability, right? 09:35 could do protection racket now 09:35 shoooot. i should have price id'd the scrolls first. dammit 09:35 I’ve never successfully run protection racket; I should try again. 09:35 you also genocided the one mindflayer that wasnt out to get you 09:35 amateur move 09:35 oh well... still a nice score 09:35 out of greed 09:35 who's the monster here 09:36 <{Demo}> doesn't genocding it have it not drop its items? 09:36 the items in the shop would still be there 09:36 no i got all his stuff 09:36 key wands 3k 09:36 <{Demo}> hmm 09:37 actually it wouldnt make him not drop his inv anyway 09:37 <{Demo}> maybe im thinking of wiz bless geno * 09:37 genociding nymphs who steal super important stuff is a thing 09:37 <{Demo}> i know in 3.4.3 wiz bless geno * jsut mongone()s stuff 09:38 That's still a thing... 09:38 Andrio: ? 09:39 In wizard mode, you can enter '*' with a blessed scroll of genocide to make all the monsters on the level disappear, but it doesn't actually kill or genocide anything and they won't drop their items, except the unique items. 09:39 aha 09:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:81046 09:41 What are some uncommon but weirdly helpful genocides? I’ve only ever really genocided h, L, and R. 09:42 m 09:42 mimics to increase items in stores 09:42 ooh, I never realized that 09:42 yeah if you do it before orcus town you can get some good stuff 09:42 i've never remembered to do it though, and usually have kit by then 09:42 hi rebatela 09:42 hello k2 09:42 We tried xorns once, to get more wraiths on the wizard quest. It made a bit of difference. 09:42 i have something for you 09:42 other than the ones you mentioned not much is worth genociding really 09:42 disenchanter isn't a bad geno 09:43 for me? 09:43 yes 09:43 for you 09:43 I tend to geno disenchanter if I can 09:43 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4 09:43 :) 09:43 thank you, friend ! 09:43 AntiGulp: And of course ; the minute you hit the Plane of Water. 09:43 \o/ 09:44 aosdict: Oh of course 09:44 it does make sense 09:44 K2: do YOU want to define a whole separate gear slot to allow a towel to be worn over lenses? 09:44 no 09:45 hence this commit ;) 09:45 aosdict: I also avoided doing that because my goodness that code is a nightmare. 09:46 that's in the next version .4 or whatever? 09:46 yup 09:46 cool cool. let's build this thing 09:46 heh 09:46 still more to do before release 09:46 i'm guessing after tnnt? 09:46 prob be a couple more months 09:46 yeah 09:46 word.. yeah i really like the stuff i've read 09:47 i was telling hothraxxa, the last few commits have been 'nice' 09:47 wait for the evil commits before you say anything 09:47 haha 09:47 I now need to find balance in the universe and make some really evil commits 09:48 So now K2, AntiGulp and I are all delaying releases until December, and we'll be eating each others' playerbases 09:48 yay 09:48 woooooooo 09:48 oh AntiGulp 09:48 YES to tileset help 09:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:81147 09:48 i saw your reddit msg 09:49 congrats on your ascension, antigulp. hard to believe it's just your third 09:49 ^ that 09:49 AntiGulp: interested in making a devteam member tile so we can have TNNT tiles? 09:49 K2: Cool! Thought I’d offer since because I keep Splice constantly tiles compatible, I spend WAY too much time bumming around monsters.txt and making tiles. So yeah, totally. 09:50 hothraxxa: Thanks! I have an… unfortunate… history of splatting on astral. 09:50 thanks AntiGulp! 09:50 thats great 09:51 splatting on astral is all too familiar to me 09:52 i actually have three, but two of them were consecutive 09:52 First trip to Astral: Three arch liches warp in an all simultaneously summon nasties. I’m locked down and my valkyrie loses all >200 of her hitpoints multiple times in a matter of a few turns. 09:52 evilhack giant monks, which jilles then proceeded to make look easy 09:52 Second trip to Astral: Famine gets a lucky role and instantly starves me. 09:52 jilies just makes nethack look easy regardless 09:52 he's like a slow methodical luxidream 09:53 antigulp: i saw someone geno energy vortices the other day... thought that wasn't bad. I've died to them a bunch in soko and they destroy rings even later in game 09:53 imagine a gorilla playing nethack <--- that's me 09:54 what does that make me? 09:54 canadian 09:54 sorry 09:54 :) 09:54 i was in canada yesterday 09:54 when? i didn't see you 09:54 dental appointment 09:55 my dentist is in sutton, qc 09:55 oh. one of those americans flocking to canada to enjoy our health services 09:55 well, when you have to get two tooth implants and they cost $5000 *each* in america... yup 09:55 no shame 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:42311 09:56 and i have great health insurance through the military. but dental is its own thing 09:56 heh. no issues with that. dental isn't covered yet, at least in this province, so it's still your own insurance 09:57 ah 09:57 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 09:57 or in my case, out of pocket 09:57 so universal health care isnt universal? 09:57 Dentistry often seems to be weird - NHS dentistry is too 09:57 it doesn't cover dental yet 09:57 i see 09:57 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:58 I mean, there is NHS dentistry but it's not free and it's sometimes hard to get 09:58 actually in some provinces dental for seniors is covered i think 09:58 the dental practice i visit in sutton is really good, i initally went to them just for the tooth implants but decided to see them for regular dental visits also 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:42318 09:58 I inadvertently got my impacted wisdom teeth dealt with free by procrastinating until they landed me in A&E 09:59 -!- AlbertB has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 you probably don't want to start me down this road. i have a real hot button when it comes to health care for profit 10:01 resonable profit, sure... you should be compensated for your services 10:01 but outrageous compensation like health care in the US... ugh 10:02 i'm absolutely disgusted when health care decisions are driven by profit 10:03 so fuck the insurance industry and the american health system 10:03 ^ 10:04 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed rsa's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:990 10:09 fuck the american health system? how do you fuck something that doesn't exist? 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:4640 10:09 I'm sure there's an Oglaf about that 10:10 aosdict, FIQ if I had pulled out everything that the DT didn't include or (as they were MIA during most of unnethack's development) pulled out everything that didn't get a mail reply, I would have been left with 3.4.3 with the dungeon overview and the pickup_dropped patch :-) 10:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 31290 points, T:7038, killed by a gelatinous cube, while helpless 10:11 Pat is even on record saying that vampires never ever would go into vanilla 10:11 <{Demo}> patr will die one day and no one will remember he said that in 100 years when nethack 7.0 (code name vampire) comes out 10:13 <{Demo}> actually though the vampire race does have a lot of problems (in un, slashem, and dnh) 10:14 bhaak: what do you mean by you pulling out stuff 10:14 bhaak: i live in Boston. Arguably the best medical schools and hospitals in the world... The healthcare system "exists". It's just ridiculous expensive/corrupt 10:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:82513 10:16 hehe 10:16 speaking of corruption. in our country we built a hospital that cost twice as much as the burj khalifa 10:17 and those are just the costs known to the public. nice to be a taxpayer sometimes 10:18 aosdict: FIQ was claiming you were thinking about pulling out the getobj patch as there was no reply to his pull request 10:19 bhaak: My reason for pulling out the getobj patch isn't that it didn't get into vanilla (yet?), but that it continually gives me nasty merge conflicts and bugs to deal with 10:19 {Demo}: for starters, it should be a role not a race :-} 10:20 aosdict: merge conflicts are due to it not being in vanilla, and bugs, well, you wanted to be a nethack variant developer, you get bugs ;-) 10:20 half of the problem could be solved if FIQ added the bugfixes to his getobj_floor branch, but as he said he has no incentive to do it 10:21 <{Demo}> yeah, it could make more sense as a role I guess 10:22 the devteam really needs to get together, share their plans, and make some decisions together if they want to do anything more than add little non-controversial features and fix bugs forever 10:23 <{Demo}> yeah but im glad theyve taken the steps they have in the last few years in any direction 10:24 the devteam is not a tight team with a vision where the game should go to 10:24 Trade you for the DCSS dev team 10:24 it's more like a group of variant developers that don't have their own variants :) 10:24 <{Demo}> lol i like that desc 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed platinum yendorian express card", on T:2834 10:26 Pinkbeast: what's up with them BTW. I'm not looking for a year or two at DCSS development and all of a sudden lots of variants spring up. some discontent with how the DCSS devteam has developed? 10:26 bhaak: I dunno how true that is, actually - I think we're at much the same low-ish level of variants (eg bcrawl's active now but it's a fork of now-defunct X-Crawl) 10:27 it's more than "none" :-) 10:28 Mmm. I think the transition from "none" to "some" was before I started playing (around 0.18) but I think in the earlier days of DCSS it was more attractive to become a vanilla developer 10:28 But "lots" I certainly disagree with looking at your extremely vibrant variant scene :-/ 10:29 still feels strange to hear that. 10:29 I remember when slashem was the only one 10:29 then that and vanilla went into hibernation and spork came up 10:30 DCSS is where NetHack was when it was Slash'em and one or two 3.1.3 variants that people still played now and then 10:30 i never really liked slashem 10:30 i felt like it was just nethack with a bunch of stuff bolted on without much thought 10:31 So, like NetHack :-) 10:31 well, worse, if thats how you see it 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:44078 10:33 <{Demo}> slashem is great 10:33 <{Demo}> it is also terrible 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:25558 10:34 <+bhaak> fuck the american health system? how do you fuck something that doesn't exist? <-- here hold my beer 10:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Pestilence, on T:82768 10:34 alex___: to be fair. A LOT OF STUFF bolted on without much thought 10:36 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Lugribossk of Ilsensine, on T:82795 10:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Death, on T:82848 10:45 The Death 10:45 TGIF 10:46 that is all 10:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 10:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7956 10:47 <@malor> 136 master liches 10:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ana And Mal Neu), 9332092 points, T:82871, ascended, having saved the future https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor2/dnethack/dumplog/1568940463.dnh.txt 10:48 wooo @malor 10:48 congrats! 10:48 <@malor> I killed 136 master liches! 10:48 pfft... why not 137? 10:48 :P 10:48 congrats 10:48 <@malor> I killed all that came to me. I definitely didn't let any live 🙂 10:48 <@malor> thaks 10:48 <@malor> thanks 10:50 i wish i had wished for eota... some punk read a scroll of create monster in the mines and created a crazy mob... only way to go is down i guess 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5590 11:13 aosdict, FIQ I had to wait 6 years until my patches got into vanilla :-) 11:13 hi 11:13 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 11:14 bhaak: did you get any responses until this time 11:14 also, just because others have it worse does not excuse DT's insistence on completely ignoring willing contributions 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:34905 11:14 any communication is better than none 11:14 if they didnt want it, just say so 11:14 I'd have complete understanding of a rejected patch 11:15 while I disagree, I realize that others may have different opinions 11:15 just look at what people say to aosdict about this particular patch, for example 11:15 but ignoring it completely? 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:10147 11:15 that just sends th emessage that the DT is unapproachable and it isn't worthwhile to bother 11:15 *message 11:16 its weird though, on other issues, response has been quick 11:16 FIQ: sometimes I got responses, sometimes I didn't. I actually stopped reporting after a while, partly because vanilla bugs have mostly been squashed and partly as I didn't expect to ever see a release again 11:18 -!- dopplerg- has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- dopplergange has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:34 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Nob Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:975 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:36261 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:36335 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23530 points, T:11088, killed by a bolt of fire 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:03 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:07 these zombies are no fun 12:07 I've decided 12:08 this time I ran into one in a hallway. No chance to make another move 12:08 it tagged me with terminal illness 12:08 * stenno hears a shuffling noise 12:08 god no help 12:08 start of a fine game here, about to end 12:08 :( 12:09 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:09 its evil i guess 12:09 ya, it's for us masochists for sure 12:09 i have the very special opinion that any nethack game should be winnable 12:09 I agree... 12:09 many variant devs and devteam doesn't agree tho :( 12:10 again like I said, not sure what I could do about running into a zombie with no turn to react 12:10 and getting punked with a terminal illness 12:10 i think the idea is that zombies are very slow 12:10 I guess I just have to accept that a certain number of games will end 12:10 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:10 so you're supposed to evade them 12:10 yeah but in hallways they're a menace 12:10 true 12:10 dark hallways 12:10 and I do avoid them, and have my dragon or spells take them out 12:11 oh yeah, infravision doesn't help either here (i think?) 12:11 -!- luxidream is now known as magicbymcluxey 12:11 I do not play elves 12:11 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:11 because elves are unplayable in EH 12:11 elves are unplayable in vanilla 12:11 unpopular opinion 12:11 elves are the only race with infravision in EH? 12:11 in vanilla, it's like all races have infravision apart from humans 12:12 gnomes have infravision 12:12 and can be wizards 12:12 that might be better 12:12 I don't like how xnethack nerfed elves when they're not incredibly strong in the first place 12:12 and eh followed suit 12:12 magicbymcluxey, not sure what you meant. Elves seem fine in vanilla 12:13 elves are fine in eh 12:13 until they touch iron 12:13 then dont touch iron ;) 12:13 I started a game with an iron ring that was really useful 12:13 iron nerf is intersting at least 12:13 elves have the worst hp growth and physical stats 12:13 its a strong nerf, yeah, but its bearable 12:13 so I ragequit lol 12:13 something essential like free action 12:14 elves have intrinsic sleep res 12:14 which is pretty powerful imo 12:14 yeah but have fun surviving the early game taking extra damage from every iron weapon 12:14 idk I'd rather have more hp 12:14 or without the ability to collect most of the armor in the mines 12:14 and a nonzero amount of strength 12:14 at least there is stone, and bone for helmets 12:15 and mithril 12:15 mithril isn't iron, is it? 12:15 they can get higher int and wis. that's the tradeoff 12:15 that 12:15 indeed and mithril 12:15 elves get extra mc for mithril body armor 12:15 ah, nifty 12:15 20 int is overrated tho imo 12:15